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Why did the mercenaries in the NKR become a destabilizing fact for both sides?

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Why did the mercenaries in the NKR become a destabilizing fact for both sides?

Dark forces of war



Any military conflict always attracts the attention of not only employees of the relevant special services, but also professional militants. This is an objective fact. Simply because there are people in the world for whom war is just a way of making money. And in which country this is happening, what are the goals of the parties, and other things important for others, professional warriors are not interested. The only questions for them are: how much and for what they will pay.

The war in Nagorno-Karabakh was no exception. With all the loud statements by the parties that only citizens of the unrecognized republic of Artsakh, Armenia and Azerbaijan are involved in the conflict, various special services of European countries, Russia and even the United States allow "information leaks" about the militants fighting on one side or the other. I don't even want to recall the "information troops" of the parties to the conflict in this matter. This is a routine job of discrediting the enemy in the eyes of the world community.

Blame the governments of the belligerent countries for the fact that in partisan detachments, self-defense units and other spontaneously emerging centers of resistance to the enemy, units that often do not even obey the army command, there are people who have come to protect, release, take revenge or just help a friend, relative, acquaintance to save family - stupid. During a war, there will always be opportunities to cross the border, arm yourself and begin an active struggle against the enemy.

It is quite another matter when advisers and instructors appear in army units. In fact, this is the transfer of the functions of commanding subunits and units of our own army, the removal of our own officers and generals from commanding the troops. Advisors and instructors are the second level of intervention of another state in a war. Precisely intervention, not the use of volunteers or mercenaries.

But there is also a third level, which few people talk about. The most dangerous level that threatens not only the enemy, but also the "employers". This is the use of not single mercenaries or a few advisers and instructors, but fully formed, subordinate to their own commanders, mercenary units or special forces of another army. Such units often operate without regard to the command of the army of the employing country. Moreover, the commanders of such units often simply demand some absolutely incredible things. And, most importantly, the government has to fulfill these requirements.

Volunteers, mercenaries and just foreigners fight on both sides


Today, according to various sources, from 2 to 3 thousand mercenaries and volunteers from both sides participate in the war in Nagorno-Karabakh. I understand that for some readers the figure does not look very impressive. However, if we compare this figure with the population of Nagorno-Karabakh, the attitude will change. The force is serious enough.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper says about the number of about 2000 people:

[quote] “We are, of course, concerned about the internationalization of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and the involvement of militants from the Middle East. We have repeatedly called on external players to use their capabilities to suppress the transfer of mercenaries, whose number in the conflict zone, according to available data, is already approaching 2. ”[/ Quote]
German specialists and French intelligence services are talking about a higher figure. The difference in numbers, in my opinion, is caused by the system of registration of militants and mercenaries. The Russian Foreign Ministry and the Foreign Intelligence Service talk about proven figures, while the Europeans count all those who, for some reason, are now in Karabakh. But, as it seems to me, it is impossible to talk about exact figures today. Therefore, the very presence of such an army of mercenaries and militants in the unrecognized republic already speaks of the international character of the war. The fact that the war is no longer waged for territory, but for the destruction of the state. Or at least weakening it.

Who is fighting in the NKR today and on which side? Let's start with Armenia and Artsakh. Everything is more or less clear here. First of all, these are Armenians, citizens of other countries. Their number is small. This is due to the fact that today it is extremely difficult to enter the territory of Armenia by official means. And the policy of Prime Minister Pashinyan led to the fact that for the majority of Armenian diasporas it is more important not to help the country by real participation in hostilities, but to influence the governments of their own countries in terms of political support for Armenia.

Much more in the self-defense units of the Kurds. The reason is simple. Kurds are allies of Armenians in the fight against the Turks. Moreover, the Kurdish fighters have vast combat experience in conflicts with the Turkish army. Kurds arrive in Artsakh from the territory of Syria and Iraq. Also today in the ranks of the Armenian army there are a lot of representatives of the Caucasian peoples, including living in the territory of Russia.

Most importantly, in the Armenian army and in the army of Artsakh, volunteers and mercenaries are not separate units or detachments. They are part of these units and act as regular fighters and commanders. The Armenian side takes into account the experience of Donbass and does not form international units. That is why Baku and Ankara's statements about the massive use of militants by the Armenian side look quite pathetic.

The situation with the Azerbaijani side is much more complicated. Let me remind you that the first who announced the massive use of militants from Syria in the Karabakh conflict was French President Emmanuel Macron. It was he who in early October announced the arrival of 300 militants from Aleppo in Karabakh:

[/ quote] “This is a confirmed fact, these people are identified and tracked, they all have connections with the terrorist organization Islamic State (banned in Russia). I discussed this with President Vladimir Putin, who confirmed that Russia also has this data. ”[/ Quote]
A little later, the Russian president spoke about the same. Putin spoke about this at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation:

[quote] "The transfer of militants from Syria and Libya to Karabakh makes the situation extremely dangerous." [/ quote]
I think it is clear that the presidents of the countries do not just scatter such statements. The facts are presented at this level only when the information is checked and cross-checked from several sources. And for any word, both Macron and Putin are ready not only to answer, but also to provide evidence of their innocence.

Problems with its own army may begin in Azerbaijan


Let me remind you of the three levels of use of foreign military force in wars, which I wrote about above. More precisely about the third level. It is this level of intervention in the war that Turkey has demonstrated today and this is exactly what Azerbaijani President Aliyev faced. It's time to pay the bills.

Many analysts, including Russian ones, were surprised at how effectively UAVs and loitering ammunition were used, which, with the light hand of journalists, were called suicide drones. But there is nothing surprising here, if we take a simple fact as an axiom. Modern weapon you can't trust the layman. There is no weapon that fights on its own.

And then everything is simple. We experienced something similar on ourselves during the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, when air defense systems were very effectively used against our aviation in Georgia. Efficiency was ensured by well-trained Ukrainian combat vehicle crews. Exactly the same can be said about the use of loitering ammunition by Azerbaijan. Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.

In addition to the use of high-tech weapons, Baku uses whole units of mercenaries from among the Libyan and Syrian militants. This leads to a confrontation between Azerbaijani and mercenary commanders during military operations. Both those and others take credit for each victory in battle and, accordingly, accuse the other commander of defeat.

This, in particular, says the Russian journalist Semyon Pegov on his telegram channel WarGonzo on November 4.

[quote] "Azerbaijani officers, who are mostly Shiites, are unhappy with the fact that they were actually removed from the command of the army in favor of representatives of Turkish special services and field commanders of pro-Turkish terrorist groups who are Sunnis." [/ quote]
[quote] "The Turkish special services demanded that the President of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, remove from management all Azerbaijani generals who were educated in Russia." [/ quote]
Probably, one can treat such statements with a certain skepticism. But, nevertheless, there is logic in such reasoning. Today, when the front has shrunk and the Armenian subdivisions are concentrating to defend the most important sectors, it will not be possible to solve the combat missions at once. The spring has compressed. Now the losses of the parties will be simply enormous, and the successes scanty. The best way out of the situation would be a truce. Better yet, another peace treaty.

The officers and generals of the Azerbaijani army understand this. The officers and generals of the Armenian army understand this. But this understanding runs counter to the goals of the mercenaries and special services of Turkey. Ending the war simply puts them out of the game and makes them stupid. There is no final victory. It means that it is difficult to demand any "trophies" from Aliyev. And the success achieved during the war, the Azerbaijani generals (and, it seems to me, deservedly) will attribute to themselves. The role of the Turkish president will generally be reduced to military supplies and moral support.

I am far from thinking that a rebellion may start in the army of Azerbaijan. The winners (and today this very army is the winner) do not rebel. The winners are eager to win further. But, in the current situation, a lot will depend on President Aliyev. Will he rely on his own army or will completely obey Erdogan.

To be continued


If to name the situation in which both armies found themselves in NKR today, in one word, then the word will be "fought ...". All were fought. And, most importantly, today, if you look at social networks, at official statements, at the comments of Armenian and Azerbaijani politicians and analysts, we are increasingly talking about peace, not the victory of one of the parties.

Both sides lost not only huge economic and military resources, but also a large amount of manpower. Both sides began to almost openly "crush" civilian objects and the civilian population. That is, today, most often those who die for whose life this war began.

The populations of both countries are opposed to the ruling class. The chair under Pashinyan crackles loudly enough. President Aliyev can no longer boast of nationwide love. In Armenia, more and more voices are heard about the need to change the political course and reorient the country towards Russia. In Azerbaijan, they openly say that the country may lose its independence if Turkey's influence on the country's internal affairs is not now limited.

I would say that the time has come for the active work of politicians and diplomats. The time has come for a sober analysis of the situation and a search for a way out of the crisis situation. Be that as it may, Armenia and Azerbaijan were and will remain neighboring states. And no matter what happens in the future, they will have to live next to each other and interact with each other.

It probably sounds corny, but it's time to stop and start talking to each other ...
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 8 November 2020 05: 41
    10
    This problem is not one thousand years old! Accordingly, the consequences arising from it are also not new.
    I still would not put the Dogs of War (mercenaries) and Volunteers at the call of my heart on the same board. They also have completely different motivation and combat capabilities. For money, they go to kill and not die. And the Weapon can easily turn against the receiving side, under certain conditions.
    There is also a third "subspecies" - the military of other states acting on the orders of their leaders - respectively defending the interests of primarily those states that sent them, and not the parties for which they are fighting. Article Plus.
    1. Sofa batyr
      Sofa batyr 8 November 2020 06: 14
      +1
      air defense systems were used very effectively against our aviation in Georgia. Efficiency was ensured by well-trained Ukrainian crews of combat vehicles.


      Efficiency was ensured by well-trained Ukrainian crews of combat vehicles. Exactly the same can be said about the use of loitering ammunition by Azerbaijan. Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.


      The line highlighted in the text of the quotation, apparently, requires separate consideration.
      On the one hand, yes, drone operators usually show a high level of training (perhaps with the exception of failures and mistakes, which we do not know about), but is it true that Azerbaijan cannot have its own professionally prepared operators?

      Comparison with the situation on 08.08.08 in this case can be used only with a great degree of stretch, due to the fact that the Georgians, having received the Buk complexes at their disposal, simply did not have time to master them, and therefore used the Ukrainian calculations of mercenaries.

      And Azerbaijan had time and opportunities to master Turkish and Israeli technology.

      Of course, I am not saying that Turkish operators could not sit at the "Bayraktar" UAVs, along with the Azerbaijani ones ...
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 8 November 2020 11: 36
        +4
        Quote: Divan-batyr
        Comparison with the situation on 08.08.08 in this case can be used only with a great degree of stretch, due to the fact that the Georgians, having received the Buk complexes at their disposal, simply did not have time to master them, and therefore used the Ukrainian calculations of mercenaries.

        The losses of our aviation were not only due to the fact that the Buks were controlled by Ukrainian crews, but primarily due to the fact that the confusion in our top military leadership led to the fact that the flights were carried out spontaneously and were not prepared in advance, and intelligence information did not arrive in time for the planning structures of the Air Force. So, in my opinion, the comparison with the 08.08.08 situation looks not only as a stretch, but generally unacceptable for comparison - this is a completely different situation, some events may somehow resemble that time.
        Quote: Divan-batyr
        And Azerbaijan had time and opportunities to master Turkish and Israeli technology.

        Quite right - and not only that, they had the best financial ability to do this.
        Quote: Divan-batyr
        But is it true that Azerbaijan cannot have its own professionally prepared operators?

        Of course, it is not true - Azerbaijan may have its own specialists, and these operators do not need to be trained for years to entrust them with nuclear weapons or control of nuclear submarines. By the way, knowing one group commander in the 3rd brigade of the Special Forces, who was the only Azerbaijani that I met during my years of service, I can say that he was a competent captain from Soviet "cadets". Then Nariman studied at the Frunze Academy in Moscow, and finished his service in the Azerbaijani army. So knowing what he can do, I can say that he is able not only to prepare, but also to organize such sabotage on the side of the enemy that the Turkish specialists and their mercenaries never dreamed of.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 06: 18
      0
      Alexey, you have no idea how stupid and unskilled meat the Idlib mercenaries are and how well Azerbaijanis treat the Turks. ))
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 8 November 2020 06: 23
        +8
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Alexey, you have no idea how stupid and unskilled meat the Idlib mercenaries are and how well Azerbaijanis treat the Turks. ))

        Albert, I think there are specialists of different levels, and meat and with a fairly good preparation.
        Turks with a good attitude of Azerbaijanis towards them, for the interests of which country are they fighting? I think the answer is obvious, first of all, they defend the interests of Turkey that sent them there.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 06: 28
          +2
          Turks for the interests of Turkey - that's understandable)). If there are foreign specialists, they are Nusra, and most likely Turkish. But, if we take the balance of advantages and disadvantages, then Azerbaijan is happy with everything, at least at this stage.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 8 November 2020 06: 39
            +5
            Here I agree with you completely. While the initiative is on the side of Azerbaijan, everyone seems to be happy. But ... military successes are very changeable, like fortune.
            It is necessary to negotiate until they finally become brutal. The question is how to make them sit at the negotiating table?
            By the way, the Turks may have "problems" with the Kurds, who automatically take the side of Armenia as opposed to the Turks.
            There are well-trained fighters there, including those who know how to work in the mountains.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 8 November 2020 06: 58
              0
              1) The negotiating table - Aliyev will sit down at the moment when the Armenians lay down their arms. He stated this more than once (when the Armenian troops are withdrawn from Karabakh). The Armenians will not agree to this.
              2) Problems in the mountains always arise for the advancing troops fighting with the locals. And the Kurds will be on their side there, or the Lebanese Asala or the Armenians from the Syrian National Battalions SSNP - this is the tenth thing.
              3) Yezidis-volunteers have already arrived there, on the way of Abkhazians.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 8 November 2020 08: 31
                +3
                Quote: Krasnodar
                (when the Armenian troops are withdrawn from Karabakh).

                And where are the KARABAKH troops of local Armenians should leave?

                T.N. "Ukraine" also requires indigenous people of Donbass ... "de-occupy" Donbass. fool

                HOW CAN THE INDIGENOUS people be ... the occupiers on its the earth? belay

                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 02
                  +1
                  I wrote the words of I.G. Aliyev - all questions, please, to him hi
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 8 November 2020 09: 52
        +2
        Hi Albert! hi
        Today the mercenary has shrunk and "ideologized" in places, but there were times ...


        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 04
          +2
          Good morning Constantine hi
          The legionnaires are still here! )) The romance of those years has long since moved to Colombia ..
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 8 November 2020 08: 17
      +4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      I still would not put the Dogs of War (mercenaries) and Volunteers at the call of the heart on the same board

      Of course: there is a clear border between them, this is MONEY,

      The paid beasts from Idlib are definitely ghoulish mercenaries.

      The diaspora who came at their own expense, who joined the ranks of their people, are volunteers and this is normal: this was the case in the LPR, etc.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      There is also a third "subspecies" - the military of other states acting on the orders of their Leaders

      They are also hired by their governments, i.e. the same mercenaries. Will be ordered to rotate 180 degrees-execute.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 8 November 2020 08: 25
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: Hunter 2
        There is also a third "subspecies" - the military of other states acting on the orders of their Leaders

        They are also hired by their governments, i.e. the same mercenaries. Will be ordered to rotate 180 degrees-execute.

        Olgovich, Servicemen are obliged to fulfill Orders! Anywhere in the World. Therefore, it is incorrect to call them "mercenaries", the blame for their participation in this war is not with them - but with their Commander. Well, I will not even argue with what is ordered - rotated 180 degrees, because the Order!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 8 November 2020 10: 35
          -3
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Therefore, it is incorrect to call them "mercenaries", the blame for their participation in this war is not with them - but with their Commander.

          Correct, for they are Hired. The blame, of course, is not with them, but with the ordering, yes.
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 8 November 2020 11: 25
      -1
      As far as I understand, now there are no pure volunteers left. And those volunteers who went from the USSR to fight in Spain were very relative volunteers))) as in an old joke: "I need three volunteers - you, you and you"))) Those who are volunteers from capitalist countries, in the majority they did not hide the fact that they had come to earn extra money. Chennolt's "Flying Tigers" in China is more than a good example.
  2. Rumblings
    Rumblings 8 November 2020 06: 14
    -5
    The Armenian leadership will have to come to terms with the idea and make concessions, although this is hardly possible with someone like Pashinyan, and the majority of Armenians will not completely squeeze them, and they will shout what brave fellows and Karabakh they are.
  3. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 November 2020 06: 16
    +4
    Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.

    A school of drone operators has been operating in Azerbaijan for about 9 years
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 8 November 2020 06: 23
    +6
    They will sit at the negotiating table "When one stick and nine holes will destroy the whole army, when the king bares his head ....." (c)
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2020 06: 28
    +1
    Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.
    From the first days, the effectiveness of the use of UAVs gave reason to believe that they were controlled by Turkish operators, and Azerbaijani operators, sitting nearby, were observing and assimilating the actions.
    it's time to stop and start talking to each other ...
    Yes, but unfortunately neither side is ready for this. Therefore, time will pass, the losses will grow to critical and then maybe.
    1. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 8 November 2020 09: 13
      -2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.
      From the first days, the effectiveness of the use of UAVs gave reason to believe that they were controlled by Turkish operators, and Azerbaijani operators, sitting nearby, were observing and assimilating the actions.

      That is, right now, while sitting, they learn? Not the last five or six years, but exactly now, during the war?
      Peace is impossible there. A truce, a freeze of hostilities for six months, a year or two is real. But then everything flares up with renewed vigor, brighter, louder.
      This conflict must be allowed to end. Trust me, it has completion.
  6. Asad
    Asad 8 November 2020 06: 41
    +1
    For good reason, the photo for the article should be barmaley in Karabakh, and not the guards of an official from Southeast Asia! If there are thousands of them, there must be at least some proof?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 November 2020 07: 03
      +4
      Two were caught - one, as far as I can tell, spoke the Iraqi dialect of Arabic (the Syriac classic is closer to the Palestinian one, which is familiar to me, although FIG knows how they say in Idlib laughing )
      1. the finish
        the finish 8 November 2020 08: 39
        +6
        For some reason, they are trying to pass off Yazidis as Kurds, who are citizens of the Republic of Armenia and do their duty without hiding it and carry their national flag along with the flag of the Republic of Armenia. The Yezidis were also subjected to genocide at the beginning of the last century, took part in the Sardarapat battle on the Armenian side. The Turks slaughtered the Armenian population with the hands of the Kurds. In all the articles and comments, the emphasis was placed on impoverished Armenia, and now it turns out that it is recruiting paid mercenaries on you!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 November 2020 11: 08
          +3
          The Yazidis were recently slaughtered by ISIS, and the Armenian mercenaries should have been hired for Diaspora money:
  7. Proton
    Proton 8 November 2020 07: 12
    +1
    Good, balanced analytics.
    I also think that the time is right to sit down at the negotiating table. The only question is - is Pashinyan needed at this table? Here the Armenians have to decide for themselves.
  8. Runway
    Runway 8 November 2020 07: 12
    +5
    The loud heading of the article in the part “the factor in the face of mercenaries destabilizing both sides” - remained a loud headline.
    While Armenians and Azerbaijanis are killing each other (pursuing their own goals) Paris, Moscow, Tehran and Ankara are dragging chestnuts out of the fire for the prospect of 2021.
    Mercenary activity has existed as long as human society has existed (from tribal times) - why should the “white collars” take on a preoccupied look? The answer on the surface is to pursue your interests and maintain your face in front of your target audience. solving the internal problems of the interested countries in the "corral".
    For thirty years of chewing the air with all sorts of Groups, Baku is being cut like a Gordian knot. Even if we assume that this war helps (I doubt, but xs) Aliyev to resolve or postpone internal problems, the Karabakh issue must be resolved cardinally, i.e. by force.
    The winners are not judged, but regardless of who wins, the Russian Federation will lose its position in the Transcaucasus.
  9. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 November 2020 07: 21
    +1
    Much more in the self-defense units of the Kurds. The reason is simple. Kurds are allies of Armenians in the fight against Turks.

    Well, as it were, the land is not alien to the Kurds. Red Kurdistan with its center in Lachin is precisely the regions between Armenia and the non-profit organization, which nowadays Azerbaijan ranks among its 7 occupied regions. If the Azerbaijanis go to return the land to their owners, then they must return these territories not to themselves, but to the Kurds, who were actively squeezed out of there throughout the 20th century. The Kurds have almost the beginning of their entire national movement connected with these places.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 8 November 2020 07: 54
      -4

      "... which nowadays Azerbaijan ranks among its 7 occupied regions. If the Azerbaijanis go to return the lands to their owners, then they must return these territories not to themselves, but to the Kurds, who were actively squeezed out of there throughout the 20th century ... "


      Greetings, proposer of solutions. 7 regions are officially included in Azerbaijan, not only Azerbaijan considers them occupied, but the entire international community.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 November 2020 08: 01
        0
        Quote: Konnick
        officially

        We included them there. So we can exclude.
        1. Peter rybak
          Peter rybak 8 November 2020 09: 18
          0
          Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Quote: Konnick
          officially

          We included them there. So we can exclude.

          laughing I thought Yeltsin was dead.
          1. Sofa batyr
            Sofa batyr 8 November 2020 10: 47
            +1
            Quote: Peter Rybak
            I thought Yeltsin was dead.

            And he did not die belay ?
  10. Konnick
    Konnick 8 November 2020 07: 25
    -1
    "Much more in the self-defense units of the Kurds. The reason is simple. Kurds are allies of Armenians in the fight against the Turks. Moreover, the Kurdish fighters have vast combat experience in conflicts with the Turkish army. "
    Author, "give proofs" if you write about "proven" facts.
    The author seems to be fantasizing about the enemy of my enemy, my friend. Armenians also hate Kurds for genocide, just like Turks. As far as I know Armenians, everyone does not like, to put it mildly, Kurds.

    It turns out that this is where the legs grow from:

    "This, in particular, says Russian journalist Semyon Pegov on his telegram channel WarGonzo on November 4. "

    It is not very correct to use news from someone who receives money from Armenians, in particular from his owner Gabrelyanov, Pegov.
    For reference - Gabrelyanov, Russian media mogul, owner of the Ararat football team.
    And why did the author of the article not use Pashinyan's statement of November 7 that terrorists are fighting against the NKR army and that it would be ideal to use Russian peacekeepers to end the war. There is no type and language barrier, they know the mentality of the people, etc.
    Maybe it will be enough to promote Armenian Wishlist. Moreover, trying to send Russian soldiers to the war for Armenian interests.
    Wah, wah people are dying .... youth .... The Armenian press prints lists of those who have died since birth, presses on the growth of hatred towards Azerbaijanis, as the forum member said above "another portion of the wild". Armenia, if you do not want further death of your soldiers, withdraw them from Karabakh. And Pegova and the author of this article went there to observe the "massacre".
  11. Konnick
    Konnick 8 November 2020 07: 39
    -8
    "The situation with the Azerbaijani side is much more complicated. Let me remind you that the first who announced the massive use of militants from Syria in the Karabakh conflict was French President Emmanuel Macron. It was he who in early October announced the arrival of 300 militants from Aleppo in Karabakh. "
    I realized that our gentlemen take their word for it hi
  12. Konnick
    Konnick 8 November 2020 07: 42
    -6
    "In addition to the use of high-tech weapons, Baku uses entire units of mercenaries from among the Libyan and Syrian militants. This leads to the confrontation between Azerbaijani and mercenary commanders during military operations. They both take credit for each victory in battle and, accordingly, blame the other commander for the defeat. "
    The author ... quit smoking., The gas analyzer klinit.
  13. Konnick
    Konnick 8 November 2020 07: 46
    -5
    "I don't even want to recall the "information troops" of the parties to the conflict in this matter. This is a routine job of discrediting the enemy in the eyes of the world community. hi "
    The beginning of the article ... sincere confession ...
  14. Konnick
    Konnick 8 November 2020 08: 05
    -2
    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Quote: Konnick
    officially

    We included them there. So we can exclude.

    It is loudly said "we". Right now I will write a denunciation to Stalin to exclude Boris N. from the commission, since you questioned the decision of the committee of nationalities. wassat
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 November 2020 08: 07
      -1
      Quote: Konnick
      Loudly

      The main thing is true
  15. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 8 November 2020 08: 46
    +1
    Two kings want to fight. Let them fight. The main thing is that our soldiers do not die.
  16. Peter rybak
    Peter rybak 8 November 2020 09: 06
    0
    "The transfer of militants from Syria and Libya to Karabakh makes the situation extremely dangerous."

    These are the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich. The author uses this quote to support his thesis that Macron and Putin confirm the participation of mercenaries on the side of Azerbaijan. But, judging by the quote, our president does not indicate a specific side of the conflict. Why is the author doing this?
    Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.

    Why can't they be in Azerbaijan? The people sat for thirty years and waited? On the contrary, there is information from much more reliable sources than Pegov that young people from Azerbaijan were trained in special military centers in Turkey, Pakistan and Israel. You can google it. Does the author think that Azerbaijanis are so stupid that they could not learn the profession of an operator? In general, I noticed a tendency that some of our journalists treat the citizens of Muslim countries with some condescension, they say, they are Muslims, which means they are under-educated. I assure you, this is not so, it is a gross mistake that can be costly in the future.
    And finally, a series of quotes from Pegov. Listen, it is common knowledge that Pegov is an employee of the Izvestia publishing house, which is owned by Aram Gabrielyan. He is on a business trip. He gets paid, the same people expect information from him. At the same time, I personally have nothing against Pegov, a person survives as best he can in this life.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 8 November 2020 17: 04
      0
      There is, for example, the testimony of a captured Turkish militant. Well, yes, the Islamists are generally good at fighting against a weak enemy.
      1. Peter rybak
        Peter rybak 8 November 2020 18: 47
        -2
        Quote: Kronos
        There is, for example, the testimony of a captured Turkish militant. Well, yes, the Islamists are generally good at fighting against a weak enemy.

        History will tell you otherwise. You see, this is not a war of religions. If we mix faith here, you won't get rid of saliva and snot on the Internet. Those are Islamists, those are not Islamists. It's buulshit. There is a war of one people against another. Claims that someone is using mercenaries are generally not accepted. Mercenaries are dogs of war, they are hired to save the lives of their soldiers. If the world were interested in the cries of Armenia about the mercenaries participating in the war, Azerbaijan would not be well. The USA, Russia, Turkey are using mercenaries in Syria, this is undeniable. Some by the hands of the ISIS, some by the Kurds, some by the Shiites. The question is that there is no open war there.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 8 November 2020 20: 29
          0
          Religion slows down science pretty much.
  17. Turanov
    Turanov 8 November 2020 09: 38
    +1
    After the collapse of the USSR and the unbridled policy of the United States, too many people have divorced in the world - wars, who by this live moving from one conflict to another, where they pay more or for an idea ..
    Russia in Syria has quite dramatically reduced their number (about 7000 only immigrants from the former Soviet Union), but still many of them remained "vagabonds" ...
    And the expansion of the conflict threatens not only Russia, but also Iran (certain forces are approaching it from the other side)))) hi
  18. 416D
    416D 8 November 2020 09: 55
    -1
    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Quote: Konnick
    officially

    We included them there. So we can exclude.


    Unfortunately or fortunately, the exclusion is no longer working for you. Thanks to Gorby and EBN
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 November 2020 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: 416D
      the exception does not work for you

      Not include. In the 14th they turned it on for a bit, and then put it back on the shelf. So, quite a working unit. You only need desire. And the desire cannot but come, the demand in society for that is huge.
  19. flicker
    flicker 8 November 2020 10: 18
    +1
    Efficiency was ensured by well-trained Ukrainian combat vehicle crews. Exactly the same can be said about the use of loitering ammunition by Azerbaijan. Well-trained operators sat at the control panels, of which there simply cannot be in Azerbaijan.

    In fact, it turns out that the Turkish and Jewish operators are bronov.
    That’s why all the Israelis here in VO are drowning for Azerbaijan.
    They add fuel to the fire, which is why both Azerbaijanis and Armenians die. And, as a rule, the best representatives of the people perish.
    ---
    Someone really needs the conflict to bleed as much as possible and claim the lives of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
  20. pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 8 November 2020 10: 47
    +2
    Much more in the self-defense units of the Kurds. The reason is simple. Kurds are allies of Armenians in the fight against the Turks. Moreover, the Kurdish fighters have vast combat experience in conflicts with the Turkish army. Kurds arrive in Artsakh from Syria and Iraq.


    Kurds (mostly Sunni Muslims) were more than accomplices of the 1915 Armenian Genocide and acted as executors of the will of the Ottoman government. It was the Kurds who mainly carried out the Hamidi pogroms, since it was they who made up the majority of the Hamidians, who plundered Armenian villages during the 1890s.
    "Kurds are wise."
    Both yesterday and today they are making money on the Armenians.
  21. Maluck
    Maluck 8 November 2020 11: 16
    +1
    The use of foreign mercenaries allows you to economically use your own human resource. And even if a black cat runs between the mercenaries and the Azerbaijanis (which is hard to believe), the Azerbaijani Armed Forces will retain their main forces to complete what has been started. And yet, the use of drones by private mercenaries IMHO looks like a fairy tale (they are too expensive for private traders and they are all monitored at the state level). As for the statement that there are no specialists in UAV control in Azerbaijan, it can also be accepted with a very big stretch, because this is a matter of state security.
  22. maktub
    maktub 8 November 2020 14: 03
    +1
    Finally, a normal article, without pathos, without slogans. Real "debriefing". I disagree a little about the drone guides. Rather, they are locals trained in Turkey.
    Offset to the author
  23. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 8 November 2020 14: 22
    17
    In the war for Karabakh, the latest methods and best practices on conflicts are used.
  24. Old26
    Old26 8 November 2020 14: 35
    +3
    It is quite another matter when advisers and instructors appear in army units. In fact, this is the transfer of the functions of commanding subunits and units of one's own army, the removal of one's own officers and generals from commanding the troops.

    By no means, dear Alexander! This is not always the case. My father, for example, was a military adviser in the Mongolian army for 2 years. And at the same time he did not replace the command, without removing him. He advised how to do it - yes, but the decision was always made by the commander of the Mongolian unit

    Advisors and instructors are the second level of intervention of another state in a war. Precisely intervention, not the use of volunteers or mercenaries.

    Again, Alexander is not always the intervention of another state in the war. A classmate of mine was a military adviser in Angola. And it was not he who took part in the hostilities, but the locals. Yes, maybe they commanded very badly, maybe they lacked knowledge, but the unit was led into battle not by a military adviser with the rank of captain, but by a local major-lieutenant colonel. Yes, maybe he was at the forefront, but did not participate in the war
  25. evgen1221
    evgen1221 8 November 2020 16: 58
    -1
    Why is the limintpof war so obstinate to everyone? Well, Baku will wring out Karabakh, so what? Since Yerevan did not want to insure these territories for itself when the time for the car was, well, fig with him. The only role of the UAV was revealed even more for future wars. And so, they will finish, in a week it will calm down in the media.
  26. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 8 November 2020 18: 14
    0
    P ... Lies. In the ranks of the volunteers and servicemen of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army, Yezidis, not Kurds, have fought and are fighting. Yes they. They speak the same language with the Kurds, but they profess not Islam, but the ancient syncretic religion - Yezidism. And yes, they were and will be citizens of Armenia.
  27. Tank hard
    Tank hard 8 November 2020 23: 41
    +2
    One thing is not clear, which side to the article photo with the PLA fighters? request
  28. AKS-U
    AKS-U 9 November 2020 01: 16
    -1
    - 1. "In Azerbaijan, they openly talk about the fact that the country may lose independence, if now Turkey's influence on the country's internal affairs is not limited."
    The Turks run there as if they were at home. And not only there. In neighboring Georgia too. But we do not see it yet, or there is no reason to talk about it. The main thing is that we have not been in the Caucasus for a long time. And this Caucasus is divided without us. But once there was a "trip to Erzurum".
    Erdogan is great, credit for his work in the Caucasus.
    - 2. "I would say that the time has come for active work of politicians and diplomats."
    And I would say that it is irretrievably lost. And they will negotiate without us. And in the company of the contractors there will be both Turks and British.
  29. Counter Strike
    Counter Strike 9 November 2020 23: 19
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Alexey, you have no idea how stupid and unskilled meat the Idlib mercenaries are and how well Azerbaijanis treat the Turks. ))

    It depends on who. many of them have good combat experience, are fired at and master tactics. We passed at least some training in camps, etc. TM is far from all meat, although the latter, of course, are also present.
  30. Counter Strike
    Counter Strike 9 November 2020 23: 24
    0
    If you watch many videos, then Turkish flags are shining everywhere, both in Baku and at the taken heights in Karabakh.
    It seems like a trifle, but in fact, the Turkish flag is fixed on the territory of Azerbaijan and in the heads of the local population.
    Of course, for the Turkish spies in the form of instructors, military exercises, coordination and control of the General Staff, drones and their operators, F-16 aircraft? Turkish special forces, Turkish mercenaries from radical terrorist groups, and the continuous logistical support of the army, Azerbaijan will have to pay a heavy price. And they won't get rid of the Turks with tomatoes.
    Aliyev's friendship with Erdogan reminded a little of Erdogan's friendship with Bashar al-Assad.