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In the United States, they presented details of the projectile that managed to shoot down an imitation of the "Russian cruise missile"

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Discussed recently published in the United States information that at the White Sands training ground in New Mexico, a shot from a 155-mm M109 Paladin howitzer managed to shoot down an air target BQM-167 Skeeter, which imitated a Russian cruise missile. This information aroused great interest on the part of experts and ordinary citizens interested in military topics, both in the United States itself and abroad.


The United States provided details of the used ammunition.

According to US sources, the missile was shot down using a "high-velocity HVP projectile traveling at a speed of Mach 5." In this case, an advanced fire control system (ABMS) was used. This system has been under development for several years in the United States and is planned to be a meshed network of weapons that exchange data obtained through sensors. The configurations of such a network are different. It may include ground vehicles, combat and reconnaissance aviation, space satellites, US Navy ships, cyber elements.

Will Roper, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Procurement, Technology and Logistics:

The upcoming battlefields will be characterized by information saturation. One of the key goals of this approach was to present the participants with an incredible array of information that they could synthesize as if they were in a real operation.

The controls are said to be based on the use of artificial intelligence.

Talking about the used anti-missile projectile, the United States noted that HVP is a highly kinetic projectile that does not require the use of an explosive. In other words, the destruction of the imitation "Russian cruise missile" was to be carried out by a direct hit in the air.

From the statement of a representative of the developer company:
It weapon possesses the strength, power and range that can keep the enemy under threat from long distances and attack targets with kinetic energy equivalent to the force of a multi-ton vehicle moving at a speed of more than 200 km / h.

At the same time, having reported some details about the projectile, the developer did not say anything about what the approximate probability of an accurate hit by an HVP projectile in a maneuvering cruise missile is.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 September 2020 08: 32
    19
    what is the approximate probability of an HVP projectile accurately hitting a maneuvering cruise missile.
    Exactly !
    And during WWII a plane was shot down from a mortar .... It happens!
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 08: 38
      15
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And during WWII a plane was shot down from a mortar .... It happens!

      And when I served in the army, one of the AKS, to celebrate, turned up the queue (they celebrated their birthday) - a crow fell not far away. Well, that unfortunate raven should have been there, and it was then that it would find itself ... As it happens.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 15 September 2020 09: 55
        15
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        As it happens.

        Good too ! -Said son-in-law, throwing slippers at the cat and hitting the mother-in-law! wink
        1. Temples
          Temples 15 September 2020 10: 45
          +3
          what is the approximate probability of an HVP projectile accurately hitting a maneuvering cruise missile.

          The probability of a non-maneuvering projectile hitting a maneuvering target tends to zero.

          The main thing to tell the General about artificial intelligence. wink
          If yours is absent. laughing
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 September 2020 09: 59
        -5
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And when I served in the army, one of the AKS, to celebrate, turned up the queue (they celebrated their birthday) -

        You had a strange army. Either she was fighting, or your uniform was a robe and beard).
        Or both
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 10: 04
          11
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Either she was fighting, or your uniform was a robe and beard).

          Led. And the uniform was usual. Soviet.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 September 2020 10: 19
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Vela

            Well then, everything fell into place.
            And I had a similar story, more surreal.
            As a child, he dabbled in pneumatics, up into the crown of a tree, shot just like that, just once. From there, the titmouse - shmyak. I see she fell, but she still moves. I go to her, I think - I need to save, I'm still alive! And then out of nowhere - a cat from under the fence. And right in front of my eyes of her. Then I walked all day, let's say, very discouraged.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 10: 22
              +6
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              I go to her, I think - I need to save, I'm still alive! And then out of nowhere - a cat from under the fence. And right in front of my eyes of her.

              Hence (from my and your comments) the moral - God forbid to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. drinks
            2. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 15 September 2020 10: 37
              +3
              SENSATION! SENSATION! SENSATION! The problem of the Russian-Chinese attack on the United States has been successfully resolved! According to the reports of the American General Staff, it is solved as follows: the entire US population with weapons, at the command of the General Staff, goes out into the street and at the command of the General Staff shoots! Not a single Russian-Chinese missile, no matter how fast it is, will be able to overcome, it hits a cloud of bullets and explodes! Similarly, the issue of submarines and super torpedoes is resolved: all US fishermen, at the command of the General Staff, go out to sea and, at a distance of 100 ... no, 200 miles from the coast, put nets! All Sino-Russian submarines and super torpedoes hit the net and explode! America is saved! Glory to the American General Staff! America Above All! laughing laughing laughing
            3. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 15 September 2020 11: 07
              +1
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              I had a similar story

              In the Middle Ages, there was a case (documented) when a sailing ship was sunk by a meteorite (pierced the ship through).
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 September 2020 14: 12
                0
                Quote: Bad_gr

                In the Middle Ages, there was a case (documented) when a sailing ship was sunk by a meteorite (pierced the ship through).

                Paragraph.
                I would be very upset. I am always upset in uncountable cases.
        2. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 15 September 2020 19: 08
          0
          It was not a crow, but an American spy aircraft)))
      3. ioan-e
        ioan-e 15 September 2020 10: 21
        +4
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And during WWII a plane was shot down from a mortar .... It happens!

        And when I served in the army, one of the AKS, to celebrate, turned up the queue (they celebrated their birthday) - a crow fell not far away. Well, that unfortunate raven should have been there, and it was then that it would find itself ... As it happens.

        All this is nonsense, because there was a waste of ammunition! Here you try to shoot down a rook (a bird, not an attack aircraft) with a cigarette and a cockade on a beret! And it was like this, at night two paratroopers stood at the post on the observation tower with the lighting off. One smoked, the night was cloudy, it was so dark that you would rip out your eyes, so the cigarette glowed very brightly when puffing. At the next puff, there was an incomprehensible whistle from a flying object, followed by the sound of a blow, and then the crash of a falling body. The second paratrooper turned on the light and saw an oil painting: his partner was lying covered in blood (there was blood from a bird) and a rook with its beak rolled to its side was tumbling alongside, which he flew into the cockade when he dived into the light of the butt. The cockade was badly dented. Bottom line: the paratrooper in the medical unit, the rook's beak was set and fixed with electrical tape - it didn't help, he died in a couple of hours!
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 15 September 2020 08: 38
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      what is the approximate probability of an HVP projectile accurately hitting a maneuvering cruise missile.
      Exactly !
      And during WWII a plane was shot down from a mortar .... It happens!

      Will the cruise missile maneuver throughout the entire flight phase? Or will she know exactly where the paladin might be on the flight path? Can someone show me a video where at the final stage of the flight the KR is actively maneuvering?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 September 2020 09: 01
        +5
        "Can someone show me a video where at the final stage of the flight the KR is actively maneuvering?" ///
        ----
        First, you need to find a video where the CD maneuvers at all, at least smile
        1. cost 75
          cost 75 15 September 2020 09: 31
          +3
          The rocket does not need to maneuver - it is enough to constantly change the speed slightly
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 15 September 2020 09: 42
            +1
            Quote: kos 75
            The rocket does not need to maneuver - it is enough to constantly change the speed slightly

            ===
            well, yes, a decrease or increase in speed means a decrease or increase in altitude, already a maneuver
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 15 September 2020 09: 51
            -3
            Quote: kos 75
            The rocket does not need to maneuver - it is enough to constantly change the speed slightly


            At what point should the rocket understand that it is here and now that it must change something, that it is necessary to make some kind of maneuver ????

            We do not take into account the reference points and maneuvers at the final section when approaching the target ...
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 15 September 2020 10: 03
              0
              Quote: SovAr238A
              At what point should the rocket understand that it is here and now that it must change something, that it is necessary to make some kind of maneuver ????

              Let him constantly change. You can listen to music.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 15 September 2020 13: 04
                -3
                In this case, the missile's range will drop several times.
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 09: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  In this case, the missile's range will drop several times.

                  Will fall. But at the expense of "several times" - not true. Very small changes in speed are enough so that the rocket body does not end up at the point calculated when the projectile is launched.
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 16 September 2020 14: 49
                    -3
                    This will not help; significant and unpredictable changes are needed. Otherwise, the enemy can simply predict its flight or cover it with several shells.
                    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                      Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 19: 43
                      0
                      Quote: BlackMokona
                      significant and unpredictable changes needed

                      Let's take the caliber on the march (Mach 0.8 - 1 km / h, roughly).
                      For this crap (HVP), there are stated 5 males (6 thousand km / h, roughly). Let it be set so precisely that it can work on the rocket from a distance of 1 kilometer (it will meet the rocket after 1 km of the path). She will pass it in 1/6000 hours. During this time, the rocket will pass (1/6000) * 1000 = 1/6 km. To travel one hull (10 m, roughly) less in the same time, the rocket must fly at a speed of (1/6 - 1/100) / (1/6000) = 940 km / h. Those. it is necessary to slow down by 60 km / h. It turns out that in order to lag behind by 5 buildings, the speed must be adjusted by 300 km / h. But since the rocket can not only slow down, but also accelerate, so that we are "guaranteed" to hit it in this case, it is necessary to send shells both "lagging behind" and "ahead of". It turns out that we need to fire 12 guns at a rocket maneuvering only a third of its speed (roughly). And this is with a volley almost at close range (from a distance to the point of destruction of only 1 km). And this is only for 1 rocket, on the cruising phase of its flight (flying at subsonic sound) and maneuvering exclusively at speed!
                      The calculation is extremely rough (it does not take into account the directionality of the vectors of movement of the rocket and the projectile, etc., etc., relative to each other), but on the whole it makes it possible to present the picture.
                      1. Blackmokona
                        Blackmokona 16 September 2020 19: 55
                        -3
                        Here, rather, the calculation for a rocket flying to the installation of a firing projectile. As a defensive tool
                      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 September 2020 21: 14
                        0
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Here, rather, the calculation for a rocket flying to the installation of a firing projectile. As a defensive tool

                        No, well, if they, for example, fly in a straight line towards each other, then a rocket that changes only its speed will have no chance of survival, even if it starts to run away in reverse)))
                        This is not a calculation, but a rough estimate. But it seems to me that it gives an idea.
    3. KCA
      KCA 15 September 2020 09: 01
      +6
      Can someone tell the battery of "Paladins" and the means of detecting and tracking aircraft targets, where and when exactly to exhibit? Here, after all, you need to know for sure, do not let the boh MRK of the Caspian Flotilla travel a couple of hundred miles and the "Calibers" will fly along a different route, slightly away from the ACS
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 15 September 2020 09: 18
        +4
        Quote: KCA
        Can someone tell the battery of "Paladins" and the means of detecting and tracking aircraft targets, where and when exactly to exhibit? Here, after all, you need to know for sure, do not let the boh MRK of the Caspian Flotilla travel a couple of hundred miles and the "Calibers" will fly along a different route, slightly away from the ACS

        I think it's more of a demonstration of technology
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 15 September 2020 10: 40
        +2
        And who tells, for example, our "Shell" or "Thor" where the Tomahawk should come from?
        No wonder that 80 percent of the text here is not about the projectile itself, but about the whole information exchange system.
        "The Advanced Fire Management System (ABMS) was involved. This system has been under development for several years in the United States and is planned to be a mesh network of weapons that exchange data received through sensors. The configurations of such a network are different. It can include ground, combat and reconnaissance aircraft, space satellites, US Navy ships, cyber elements. "
        1. KCA
          KCA 15 September 2020 11: 25
          0
          A kinetic projectile was used, in case of just a wind that deflects the CD by 15 cm, the projectile will go into milk, and the entire satellite / network-centric / cellular system will taste? It is in a glitch, and this is not taking into account the algorithm that is laid down in the RC for the final flight segment, especially if there are several of them, two up, two down, two to the right, two to the left, well, conditionally
      3. Kalmar
        Kalmar 15 September 2020 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: KCA
        Can someone tell the battery of "Paladins" and the means of detecting and tracking aircraft targets, where and when exactly to exhibit?

        Easy: somewhere near important objects that can potentially be attacked by the same "Caliber". Again, the peculiarities of the guidance systems of such missiles do not allow laying their routes anywhere, so that the most likely meeting points can be estimated.
    4. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 September 2020 10: 00
      +1
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Will the cruise missile maneuver throughout the entire flight phase?

      A cannon that is able to shoot down a cruise missile with its projectile will be placed next to the protected object, since the firing range cannot be large (compared to missiles), and the cruise missile (and the Iskander ballistic missile) maneuvers precisely when approaching goals to overcome the air defense covering it.
      We have Pantsirya-S air defense missiles after acceleration, the same flies like a projectile, without an engine, controlling aerodynamic rudders.
  2. Civil
    Civil 15 September 2020 09: 31
    0
    Only now you don’t have to throw hats on the new technology, as it was with the UAV, before that computers were considered toys, and before that the bullet was a fool - a good fellow.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 15 September 2020 09: 55
      0
      and before that, a bullet is a fool - a good fellow.
      Yes, sadly, mattresses are moving to a different level of organization, and we have, from the First World War, relying on general mobilization.
  3. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 15 September 2020 10: 36
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    And during WWII, a plane was shot down from a mortar ...

    Oh, we love to "confuse a fork with a bottle"! A random event and a "conscious desire" are two big differences! winked
  4. vVvAD
    vVvAD 15 September 2020 10: 40
    +2
    Let's just say: the 5M speed assumes counteraction to subsonic and supersonic targets (like 2,5M) and the question is how much it can shoot down maneuverable missile defense missile launchers with supersonic flight at the finishing stage or the entire trajectory.
    But it is definitely worth the effort, the hat-hacking is not appropriate: at least, the US is developing to improve the missile defense system in the artillery direction.
  5. tikhonov66
    tikhonov66 15 September 2020 14: 58
    0
    “... The upcoming battlefields will be characterized by information saturation. One of the key goals of this approach was to present the participants with an incredible array of information that they could synthesize as if they were in a real operation.
    ..."
    - "upcoming battlefields" will be characterized by - signal flags, binoculars (compass), pencils, PAPER card, magnetic compass and TOTAL ABSENCE OF ELECTRONICS ... I mean, of course, - WORKABLE electronics ...
    8-)))
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 15 September 2020 16: 39
      0
      Quote: tikhonov66
      and the TOTAL ABSENCE OF ELECTRONICS ... I mean, of course, - WORKING electronics ...

      If ALL electronics "die", then the army will win, equipped with an ADVANCED entrenching, read UNIVERSAL, weapon, and who knows how to use it DIFFERENTLY !!
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  • 113262a
    113262a 15 September 2020 08: 33
    0
    Sleep well - on maneuvering targets THIS doesn't work! The mind is not enough!)))
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 15 September 2020 08: 34
    +2
    At the same time, having reported some details about the projectile, the developer did not say anything about what is the approximate probability of an accurate hit HVP projectile into a maneuvering cruise missile.
    Probability knows what the developer didn't say. There will be too many zeros after the decimal point, I think.
  • GREG68
    GREG68 15 September 2020 08: 34
    0
    The confrontation between the shield and the sword will always be. At different stages, the advantage will be one way or the other.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 15 September 2020 08: 34
    +3
    Someone will get a good taste of these shells. What a price tag.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 September 2020 08: 35
    +1
    laboratory work for complacency ... ok students you credit ...
    in war, highly maneuverable weapons (such as the same Caliber) will require protection by specialized air defense systems ... and there will be a two-way fight, including with electronic warfare means ... and echeloned suppression of anti-missile weapons ... but this is definitely not about howitzers. ..
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 15 September 2020 08: 38
    +1
    Umgu ... it was listed as a shell shot down their missile, which imitated ours? one, as I understand it ... the speed of the simulator? TTX coincide with our rocket? in one word, continuous questions, to the "Yankes" ...
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 15 September 2020 15: 02
      +1
      A badminton shuttlecock served as an imitator of the Russian rocket.
      - why not a rocket simulator ?!
      because it flies ...
      8-))
  • Avior
    Avior 15 September 2020 08: 54
    0
    Can't I understand whether the projectile is controlled or not? Or was the control system just oiled up to Palladine?
    What is the GOS?
    What is the management principle in Palladin?
    Some questions ....
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 15 September 2020 09: 55
      +3
      The projectile itself is most likely uncontrollable, but with ready-made striking elements (and not a direct kill, as they say, below is a link to the VO article on HVP). Although it is possible to provide a module and controls in it instead of a payload, at the declared speeds it is problematic and expensive. GPS on the final ballistics makes sense, and the seeker is an overkill. HVP was created as a unified one for conventional artillery systems and prospective electromagnetic, meaning - almost the same sub-caliber "scrap". It's hard to believe in a kinetic interceptor of air targets. You can already believe in the shrapnel version with remote detonation, there are already such power supplies for 35 + mm memory, why not compose a larger one.
      ABMS is an evolution of target designation, something like JSTARS, that is, a combat network of different means of detecting, tracking and transferring data about targets to means of their destruction. The paladin simply accepted the data and blurted out where they showed at the right time. Nothing is said about the range at which it was possible to shoot down the "skeeter", most likely also within the existing air defense artillery systems, it would be different - they would have heard about the unsurpassed superiority over them.
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 15 September 2020 16: 35
        0
        Quote: g1washntwn
        ABMS is an evolution of target designation, something like JSTARS, that is, a combat network of different means of detecting, tracking and transmitting data about targets to means of their destruction.

        That is, a READY and COMPLEX infrastructure is supposed, and not a system of maneuverable military air defense! And yet, the general "forgot" to say about the "beacon" in the simulator!
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 16 September 2020 07: 04
          -1
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          That is, a READY and COMPLEX infrastructure is assumed, and not a system of maneuverable military air defense

          The concept of a digital battlefield is flexible enough, new elements are added and immediately begin to interact with the existing structure. This implies duplication of destroyed ones, analysis of interference conditions with correction, interspecies interaction, analysis and prediction of AI, and much more. The fact that it is complex - well, Duc ... that is ready - so this LEGO is assembled and disassembled on the go. So at least it is stated about ABMS on foreign resources.
          They did not say about the "beacon", but since it imitated our CD, it was most likely tested for a similar EPR, and the BQM-167 is just suitable for imitating subtle targets. The lens was hardly screwed in order to increase the EPR, and the point in the "beacon" if the projectile is uncontrollable?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 September 2020 08: 56
    +2
    The upcoming battlefields will be characterized by information saturation. One of the key goals of this approach was to present the participants with an incredible array of information that they could synthesize as if they were in a real operation.

    I doubt that something in the capabilities of this machine It is necessary in the conditions of a massive raid and real hostilities, to process hundreds of gigs of information for target designation.
    Remembering 080808 and the scheme built by the Americans It was when interruptions in the data transmission system began to appear (locators, communication centers began to be disabled) the Georgian army fell down and the Georgian army was never Georgia's strong point, but the lack of communication and data turned it into a herd !!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 September 2020 08: 56
    0
    This weapon has such

    In general, even before, anti-aircraft artillery shot down low-speed objects.
    Now they will shoot down more effectively ... but all the same, what the restrictions were, these will remain until a smart, homing projectile is created.
    Then, the missiles will be equipped with countermeasures !!! She is already expensive, so they will spend more money and make her less vulnerable.
  • Svateev
    Svateev 15 September 2020 09: 00
    +2
    what is the approximate probability of an HVP projectile accurately hitting a maneuvering cruise missile.

    1) It is reported that the HVP is a guided projectile. It has tail rudders. Therefore, the theory of probability must be applied here, taking into account the errors of that particular control system.
    2) The exercise tested the high-speed data transmission system ABMS.
    In theory the following is possible: from the air defense or from the aircraft to Palladin via ABMS, the current coordinates of the RC are continuously transmitted; Palladin calculates lead and fires HVP; in flight, the HVP still "taxi" to the coordinates, which it also continuously receives from the same ABMS.
    Objections?
    1. Thorvlobnor IV
      Thorvlobnor IV 15 September 2020 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Svateev
      Theoretically, the following is possible: from the air defense or from the aircraft to Palladin via ABMS, the current coordinates of the RC are continuously transmitted; Palladin calculates lead and fires HVP; in flight, the HVP still "taxi" to the coordinates, which it also continuously receives from the same ABMS.

      Rather, the HVP receives "in the tail" commands to steer from the Paladin, according to the directional radio beam, and the AI ​​is used to predict the route of the CD.
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 9 October 2020 00: 05
        0
        The comment has been corrected. Strange, but below is prohibited.
    2. D16
      D16 15 September 2020 11: 05
      0
      "steering" to the coordinates, which it also continuously receives from the same ABMS.

      If so, then this is a projectile with radio correction, which implies the presence of an autopilot in it. To ensure the accuracy of this guidance method, it is necessary to update the data at a high frequency and to irradiate the target intensively. Such shooting at its target looks like a spectacular circus trick, but when working on combat missiles, in the slightest degree designed to overcome missile defense, its effectiveness is questionable. It is easier to use conventional air defense systems and not to distract self-propelled guns from performing their direct duties.
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 8 October 2020 23: 53
        0
        Quote: D16
        need to update data with high frequency

        This is what the Americans were experiencing: a high-speed data transmission system.
        Quote: D16
        Shooting at your target looks like a spectacular circus trick,

        That's what I wrote: the RC was actually being fired. In reality, such air defense is impossible. But what delights are performed by American generals ... fellow
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 September 2020 09: 02
    0
    Comics will soon be drawn with politically correct black captain America defeating a Russian rocket. Great change! laughing
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  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 September 2020 09: 22
    +1
    The Germans had a case in the Second World War. At night, at the nudge of those radars, they banged into the sky with one shell and, you know, they hit a single plane, God knows what height behind the clouds. Yes, you don't have to go far X / F Features of the national fishing scene with gas-powered cranties or without gas! Oh, those storytellers! drinks
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 September 2020 09: 22
    -1
    with kinetic energy equivalent to the force of a multi-ton vehicle moving at a speed of more than 200 km / h.
    belay belay fool Pentagon clever guys, as always, set up and drain Trump. Americans have seen enough accidents on their roads with multi-ton road trains and for them these are impressive parameters. And if you just count and think, then
    E = МхV2 / 2

    actually V = 300 m / s x 5 = 1500 m / s kin.energy E = 24112654 J; M =
    Few, little jamb .. but the right path.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 15 September 2020 09: 40
      0
      E = МхV2 / 2 М = 10 kg V ​​= 000 km / h = 250 m / s; kinetic energy E = 69,44 J
      actually V = 300 m / s x 5 = 1500 m / s; kinetic energy E = 24112654 J; M = 21,43 kg. projectile mass
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 15 September 2020 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: Hyper Velocity Projectile Unified Artillery Shell (USA)
    https://topwar.ru/112282-unificirovannyy-artilleriyskiy-snaryad-hyper-velocity-projectile-ssha.html

    From Paladin M = 3 with kopecks, 4 can be pulled from a special weapon, 5-7M can only be obtained from a railgun. They hinted at a version of the projectile with ready-made striking elements as an air defense version for shipborne Mk-45s, which most likely fired at an air target, but with a Paladin. There it is business to stuff into another pallet. A direct hit for a simple blank, even for a non-maneuvering target, is a pure roulette, even with the help of an AI network.
    Quote: Kyudo
    Each shot is unique and unrepeatable.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 September 2020 09: 31
    -1
    These striped ones will be covered seven miles up to heaven and everything is forest. Most of all I liked about the imitation of the Russian missile. Why waste time on trifles, let them shoot cores with AI.
    By the way, they say it's true, after WWI they found a bullet in a cross-type bullet. Now imagine what the probability of such a hit is.
  • Fedorov
    Fedorov 15 September 2020 09: 42
    0
    I fired at a rocket from "Torah" from "Wasp" during exercises and had been in Kazakhstan for a long time, it turned out as much as a run. And if the X-101 is flying there ... or something else? (and Russia has a nomenclature) And they don't have anything like that, in the style of "Buk, S-300-400, Thor, Pantsir) except for the golim Petriot and Stinger installations on jeeps. They won't even drink tea in the morning. , and immediately to the grave.
    1. D16
      D16 15 September 2020 11: 28
      0
      I fired at the rocket from the "Torah" from the "Wasp" on the exercises and for a long time, it turned out already running.

      The 9M330 has an HE warhead, so it doesn't need to hit the target directly. Unlike this device.
  • spectr
    spectr 15 September 2020 09: 47
    0
    This is just a demonstrator who bring and finish. If they manage to implement the idea, it will lead to the next changes in the tactics of the battle.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 September 2020 09: 48
    -1
    the destruction of the imitation "Russian cruise missile" was to be carried out by direct hit in the air
    From a howitzer with a direct hit on a flying CD, even with a high-precision projectile? Something a little hard to believe. This is probably that supernova weapon that no one else has and which Trump bragged about? If you voiced this information, then they probably hope that the potential enemy will stop sleeping thinking about what it is.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 15 September 2020 10: 02
    -1
    what is the approximate probability of an HVP projectile accurately hitting a maneuvering cruise missile.

    With what joy is the CD maneuvering? - A robot following the program.
    The probability of a maneuver at the moment of an attack is scanty.

    To put active maneuvering into the programmer? Dilettantism.
    Firstly, the CD is not only able to actively maneuver - it cannot write turns at 90 degrees with a radius of less than a kilometer - this is not a fighter. The RV is designed for aerodynamics of flight in dense layers of the atmosphere and has a minimum wing area sufficient for navigation maneuver, taking into account the relief. At the same time, the speed decreases, the range decreases.
    Where to maneuver? It is impossible to maneuver over a wide area of ​​overcoming air defense. It is the flight mission that is routed taking into account the bypassing known air defense zones, approaching the target from the least expected direction - the guys do not eat their bread for nothing.

    The example of Syria - the attack of the a / b Ash-Shayrat - a clear example of an attack on a known target at a known time - could not be repelled with 100% probability and achieved a specific goal (out of 60, one CD fell immediately after the launch - a total of 59 declared missiles, 44 confirmed hit targets (including 13 two-seater high-security aircraft shelters, 10 ammunition depots, seven fuel tanks), some of which may have been hit twice).


    https://cezarium.com/consequences-shayrat-strike/

    This, by the way, clearly shows the "objectivity" of the briefings of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - where are there 23 detected missiles?
    When will the press center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation learn to refrain from exact figures, so as not to fall in the eyes of the public with every uncounted missile?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 September 2020 10: 24
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    How is this new super-shell of theirs fundamentally different from our "Shell", for example?
    In general, nothing.
    The only new thing in this system is that it was fired from a howitzer.
    They did not fence the zoo, like ours, but loaded a shell into the weapon, of which they have thousands.
    They have "Palladins" wherever there is at least some noticeable number of troops.
    Therefore, they do not need to carry with them a separate "shell" (shilka, tunguska, pine, derivation ...),
    Just bring in a new projectile and add a new algorithm to the fire control system.
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 15 September 2020 15: 21
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      Just bring in a new projectile and add a new algorithm to the fire control system.
      8-))
      - yes, add to the system a network-centric target designation system in real time (I assure you that in the existing system there are resources for "network-centricity" - NOBODY LAYED IT!) this and for this. Yes, place all this (where there is NO place), yes, debug, yes, start, yes, calibrate, yes, develop a diagnostic system, and retrain the "gunners" - they memorized all the error codes of the system and the calculation steps to eliminate them and when they were detected .. .Yes logistics, yes repairs ... YES compatibility with the previous system ...
      - in one word - "our need for complex systems far exceeds our ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND them"
      - and this is MATCH!
      8-))
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 16 September 2020 04: 44
        -1
        And what, all you listed for work, for example, our Shell is not needed?
        There is no need to detect a target, calculate motion parameters, transmit target designation to the launcher, control a projectile in flight ...? No need to train staff?
        Necessary.
        Only we have a bunch of specialized launchers, and they adapted the existing weapon for this. The howitzer is just a small part of a larger system.
        And by the way, there are network-centric resources there, they are installed regularly.
        Or do you also think that they are direct aiming?
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 15 September 2020 12: 31
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    What we have, the howitzer cannon shoots from a closed position at the CD flying at an altitude of ~ 50m with direct fire, oh, something does not converge, let's either put the cannon on a hill or let the CD fly high and high :)
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 15 September 2020 12: 46
    -3
    Especially touches the nonsense about the downed crap, "imitating a Russian cruise missile."
    Now let them try to knock down our phaloemitter ...
  • Undecim
    Undecim 15 September 2020 13: 36
    +1
    In the United States provided details of the projectile
    In the United States, it was presented, but the site "Voennoye Obozreniye" instead of information about the shell presented an agitation with zero information.
    Meanwhile, the Hypervelocity Projectile (HVP) guided projectile is quite interesting from a technical point of view. Today the price of one shell is $ 86.

    fire control system (ABMS).
    The system is called IBCS.
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 15 September 2020 15: 27
      -1
      These "funny katinki" are, excuse me - WHAT - "information about the projectile" ?!
      Yes, better agitation "with zero information".
      8-)))
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 15 September 2020 16: 38
        +1
        Yes, better agitation "with zero information".
        To each his own.
  • Tavi
    Tavi 15 September 2020 17: 20
    +1
    Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Vela


    And I had a similar story, more surreal.
    As a child, he dabbled in pneumatics, up into the crown of a tree, shot just like that, just once. From there, the titmouse - shmyak. I see she fell, but she still moves. I go to her, I think - I need to save, I'm still alive! And then out of nowhere - a cat from under the fence. And right in front of my eyes of her. Then I walked all day, let's say, very discouraged.

    very similar to mine (grade 4-5), they shot from a slingshot at the cans of bottles with balls standing on the board, the ball ricocheted and hit the pigeon 15-20 meters away ... but it seemed he remained alive, he struggled on the ground for 5 minutes, but then woke up ... the same worried strongly.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 15 September 2020 20: 45
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    Now they are not afraid of Russia.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 15 September 2020 22: 25
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    how boring everything is, this advertisement of the aircraft got it)))))))))))))
  • Zoomlion
    Zoomlion 16 September 2020 07: 35
    0
    "From the cannon to the sparrows
  • vadi64
    vadi64 16 September 2020 11: 25
    0
    Ancient Ukrainians shared their experience laughing
  • Grei
    Grei 16 September 2020 11: 45
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    What is the range of a shot from a Paladin and, say, Caliber? Let's say super super gunners using artificial intelligence and everything that they have taught LEARNED to shoot down cruise missiles. It remains to place the paladins at a distance of 30 km (well, approximately) and let them look at the sky. Yeah, throughout the territory of Trumpistan's interests, that is, on the entire globe. I once saw a photo when in Vietnam the air defense was created from soldiers stationed in individual cells along the road and armed with PPShs. Against
    jet aircraft Phantoms-22. It's not even funny. This is hopelessness.