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What Happens to a US Navy Aircraft Carrier When Hit by a Hypersonic Dagger Missile: An Expert Simulation

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The world's first hypersonic aviation the missile system is the Russian "Dagger". This is a system based on the Kh-47M2 "Dagger" rocket and the base carrier (at the moment) - the MiG-31, which received the letter "K".


According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land but also at sea. In particular, we are talking about such large ships as aircraft carriers. In this regard, experts are simulating a situation in which aircraft carriers of NATO countries, in the event of anti-Russian military aggression, could be attacked from the air using hypersonic missiles of the Dagger complex.

One of the options under consideration is a hypothetical attack on one of the largest aircraft carriers of our time, the USS George HWBush ("George Bush") of the US Navy. This is an American aircraft-carrying ship with a displacement of 97 thousand tons and a maximum length of 333 meters. Its crew is 3200 people, plus almost 2,5 thousand servicemen of the aviation wing.

So what will happen to an aircraft carrier of this type (such as the Nimitz) if it is attacked by a single Dagger missile?

The simulation itself is reduced to the choice of the point of contact of the complex's hypersonic missile with the aircraft carrier, taking into account the mass of its warhead. It is known from open sources that the mass of the X-47M2 "Dagger" warhead is 500 kg. The maximum flight speed of the rocket on the trajectory is also taken into account. It is about 12 Machs.

The indicators of the Russian hypersonic missile system are such that, even being in the AUG with the cover of the air defense-missile defense system, the American aircraft carrier has no chance of intercepting the Dagger. The characteristics of American naval defense systems against aircraft do not allow countering hypersonic missile arms... In other words, with a hypothetical strike, the target will be hit in any case. How fatal for an aircraft carrier?

Experts believe that striking not at the command room, but at the deck of an aircraft carrier may be the most effective.


Marked places of probable strike


Even if the aircraft carrier can remain afloat for the first time after the impact, the potential of its aircraft wing will be nullified by the damage caused to the deck. In addition, such a strike could lead to the defeat of at least one of the two A4W naval reactors from Westinghouse. The total capacity of these reactors is 1100 MW. A missile with a half-ton warhead, moving at great speed, is capable not only of destroying the coolant circulation loops, but also leading to the explosion of the nuclear reactors themselves during their active work during a combat operation by an aircraft carrier. This fact suggests that a single missile strike of the Dagger hypersonic complex may be enough to completely destroy not only the lead aircraft carrier AUG, but also the entire carrier strike group.
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  1. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 12 September 2020 16: 29
    75
    Another pseudo-crap from "experts"
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 12 September 2020 16: 36
      28
      Another pseudo-crap from

      pseudo-experts ..
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 12 September 2020 17: 38
        -6
        Clarification: NOT NAMED pseudo-experts
        But purely in style - most likely Hindu or Chinese
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 12 September 2020 20: 27
        +6
        Which "from their own insolence" in their pants, go, "naprudonili".
    2. vVvAD
      vVvAD 12 September 2020 16: 45
      +1
      Well, experts are notorious for overstepping their opinions.
      In general, this is a question for the military, who in this situation "smile and wave" wink
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 12 September 2020 17: 32
      15
      So I have a question:
      Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?
      Well, what would you understand - is this the level of the sofa or even lower?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 September 2020 17: 44
        37
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        So I have a question:
        Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?
        Well, what would you understand - is this the level of the sofa or even lower?

      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 12 September 2020 19: 31
        +7
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        So I have a question:
        Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?
        Well, what would you understand - is this the level of the sofa or even lower?

        They are classified.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 September 2020 10: 19
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?

        There is. For example - "Sohu"
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 14 September 2020 21: 18
          +3
          To date, many articles have been written and the opinion of a significant number of both widely known and less well-known experts on this issue is known, which coincides with the opinion expressed in this article. To summarize and briefly summarize the above, huge floating mobile airfield cities are a wonderful means of concentrating significant forces in a certain area of ​​the world and forcing countries that do not have strong air defense and similar forces to dictated decisions IN PEACE TIME. In wartime, these huge ships turn into easily destroyed targets with hypersonic missiles.
          Therefore, I do not understand the skepticism of critics and and their like-minded people, throwing their likes. It seems that the site is staffed by the American and British General Staffs. If anyone can, please explain this phenomenon.
          1. Nikita Vinogradov
            Nikita Vinogradov 18 September 2020 13: 14
            +2
            It's just that there are hunters for "iksperds" - the same "iksperds" who do not delve into the essence of the article, but immediately criticize - just to blurt out. The bulk of those who read it love it - when they criticize "Xperds" and also without delving into it, they like furiously.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 18 September 2020 14: 49
              +2
              So what is it? Almost all noble bills? However, ALL researchers of human societies say the same thing. And I agree with them: an indifferently chewing herd is rarely distracted and delves into the essence of what is happening.
    4. Nehist
      Nehist 13 September 2020 03: 42
      -18 qualifying.
      I don’t understand one thing at all !! Why is it not clear what from an excellent interceptor? They tried to do it with 31 bomber, now it is an anti-ship plane ... What is smoking there in the General Staff?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 13 September 2020 04: 09
        0
        Quote: Nehist
        I don’t understand one thing at all !! Why is it not clear what from an excellent interceptor? They tried to do it with 31 bomber, now it is an anti-ship plane ... What is smoking there in the General Staff?

        This is not for war, this is for the calmness of the layman
      2. Kapany3
        Kapany3 13 September 2020 08: 34
        +1
        The freaks from the General Staff probably forgot to ask the SMARTEST ...
        DISMISS ALL !!
      3. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 13 September 2020 08: 48
        -19 qualifying.
        They tried to do it with 31 bomber, now it is an anti-ship plane ... What is smoking there in the General Staff?

        What else to do with it, as the 31st fighter became useless

        From a military point of view, it is completely useless, but suitable for internal propaganda
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 13 September 2020 17: 08
          11
          Quote: Santa Fe
          What else to do with it, as the 31st fighter became useless

          what are you? laughing another megaexperd fool
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 13 September 2020 20: 05
            -7
            If all your arguments are a distortion of Russian words, then it is useless to explain anything

            What are the advantages of the 31st over the Su-27/30 / 35-? None, as a fighter it was outdated 20 years ago Therefore, they are constantly trying to come up with other tasks and tell fairy tales to the Russian man in the street about the super interceptor
            1. Alexandra
              Alexandra 13 September 2020 20: 47
              +2
              Tell me, what is the maximum range of application of the R-37M URVV from a MiG-31BM aircraft flying at a speed of M = 2,35 and an altitude of 20 m on an E-000C aircraft?
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 13 September 2020 21: 46
                0
                Obviously farther than the Su can at maximum parameters of their flight

                The question was not about discussing the horse in a vacuum. Combat aircraft - part of the Air Force system

                The difference in the launch range of the airborne missile system from the statosphere, according to you, can compensate:

                A) the inability of the 31st to conduct close air combat with peers, under no circumstances
                B) smaller combat radius and air patrol time than other fighters 4 and 4+

                C) lack of modern avionics, Irbis level or f22 / 35 - how is 31st going to attack targets at 400 km or against the background of the underlying terrain, in a difficult jamming environment?

                D) operational difficulties, twice the specific fuel consumption in comparison with the Su-27 - for peacetime, and even more so for a combat situation, a serious drawback

                ??
          2. demos1111
            demos1111 14 September 2020 13: 09
            +5
            Never mind. This is Ukrainian. With what can he compare the moment of 31k at home? They have nothing, and he also understands that if an order comes to work, then the Ukrainians will not have a president, or a government, or a general staff. There will be completely demoralized Ukrainians, or rather a herd of Ukrainians.
            The only thing that warms the soul of the khokhlu is that the bear is still sucking its paw in the den. Spring has not come yet. Early.
            1. demos1111
              demos1111 14 September 2020 13: 11
              0
              And what, on the site the word "x-o-x-o-l" is automatically replaced by the word Ukrainian?
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 22 September 2020 06: 30
                0
                That's right, I have long encountered this and the word hokh ilya. When you write the whole word, they also change it to Ukraine.
      4. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 13 September 2020 17: 04
        +4
        Quote: Nehist
        I don’t understand one thing at all !! Why is it not clear what to do with an excellent interceptor?

        and if you think about it? or not given? It is 31 that can accelerate the rocket under the belly to maximum speed and drop it from maximum height. In a shallow glide, this rocket is accelerated to hypersound.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 13 September 2020 20: 15
          -1
          In a shallow glide, this rocket is accelerated to hypersound.

          You do not even have a general understanding of the use of aeroballistic missiles, but do not hesitate to scribble comments describing your fantasies

          "Gentle dive" is fierce game. Such missiles as a dagger or x-15 immediately turn on the engine after separation from the carrier and go up with a candle. Next is the ballistic parabola
          It is 31 that can accelerate the rocket under the belly to maximum speed and drop it from maximum height

          For aeroballistic missiles, the characteristics of their carriers are not the most important. And it is clear that the 31st with such a load on the external sling will not set any speed records
      5. Nikita Vinogradov
        Nikita Vinogradov 18 September 2020 13: 51
        +1
        What does it mean "from an excellent interceptor to do it is not clear what"? HIS INTERCEPTOR and made it even more "excellent"! The MiG-31 was an "excellent interceptor" of air targets when I studied it as an air defense officer at a school in 1986 and 15 years after. Its main targets were SR-71, Avaks, B-52, B-1, cruise missiles and the like. Interception required a high speed of the interceptor, high altitude, high target detection range with its radar sight and the launch of an explosive missile. EMNIP in 1986 on the MIG-31 was a sight that detected a target at 160 km and launched the farthest missile at 120 km. Further, some of its unsurpassed properties and qualities remained, but the detection range with modern sights, the range of air-to-air missiles has increased several times, the speed of the interceptor has already lost its former value, and the visibility of the MiG-31 remains very high. Therefore, continuing to use it for its first purpose, they came up with a more effective purpose - INTERCEPT (nevertheless, interception!) Of AUG global naval targets. They were originally converted to Dagger 10 pieces (which is simply awesome, taking into account 1 Dagger - minus 1 aircraft carrier, or even the entire AUG if the YSU is hit) The probability of defeat is about 100%, the probability of evasion is about 0 aircraft carriers or 10 AUG per minus is a very sobering factor for NATO. In total, it was planned to remake the MIG-10BM from the available fleet for the Dagger carriers - up to 31 units. This is enough for ships smaller than an aircraft carrier. With regards to the "interceptors" of air targets, now the era of multifunctional aircraft of the Su-50, 35 type has come, less noticeable, having sights that detect more than 57 km and explosive missiles with a range of up to 500 and 300 km (tests are underway) and are also intended for conducting maneuverable close combat and ground strikes. The MiG-400 is not capable of such a complex and it was given another mission - a direct flight over a long range, acceleration of the Dagger to 31 km / h and more to give it the initial HIGHEST speed and defeat the largest sea targets. The daggers are also going to be hung on the Tu-3000M22M (as many as 3-2 pieces), but it will not even close the Daggers to 3 km / h and sending it to a single target is not always profitable. There will be a choice. So the MiG-3000 will now work for at least another 31-10 years.
    5. Vdi73
      Vdi73 13 September 2020 06: 45
      0
      I absolutely agree with you. Moreover, these ex ... perty in most cases did not even serve in the army, but the experts are the envy of all the armies of the world.
    6. Volder
      Volder 13 September 2020 07: 21
      14
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Another pseudo-crap from "experts"
      Try to reasonably refute what you specifically disagree with. This is not to be a pseudo-fucking commentator;)
      1. Beregovic_1
        Beregovic_1 13 September 2020 10: 44
        -5
        There is only one argument, but reducing to zero and delirium all the correspondence below: Are you going to hit like an aeroballistic missile without ARLGSN and target designation for aircraft carriers for 1000 km? Who will highlight the goal? Even if there are coordinates at the time of launch, calculate how long the rocket flies, and how far the AUG will go during this time. Because there is NO active seeker on the "Dagger". Experts ..... If you are going to shoot at an aircraft carrier at the pier - I beg your pardon, in that case everyone is great and everything will work out.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 10: 54
          12
          And who told you that she was not there?

          ARGSN began to develop for Iskander in the middle of zero. I somehow saw the marking of this ARGSN
          1. Beregovic_1
            Beregovic_1 13 September 2020 13: 39
            0
            I will clarify my comment. 1. The head is optical there. No radar. And a lot of spears were broken on the VO due to the operation of the radar homing head in a plasma cocoon at hypersonic speeds. I did not see any clear explanations (except for the option with a decrease in speed to 2m on the last part of the trajectory). Do you have photos of gas-dynamic rudders or fenders on the "Dagger"? Is this missile capable of actively maneuvering in the final section of the trajectory after the target is captured by the seeker? Iskander and Dagger are not cruise missiles, but aeroballistic missiles, that is, they are adapted for firing at a target with constant coordinates. Not seen in any serious source of test results on a moving target. Izvestia and Wikipedia are not serious. If you have sources confirming the opposite, I will gladly join the crowd of hamsters, to the place and not to the place dragging the Dagger, destroying the AUG. Moreover, I will become a urapatriot! 2. The problem of target designation. Are there any proofs confirming the deployment of the Liana and Pion satellite constellations? I did not see. How do we aim the Dagger on AUG for 800 km (the range of carrier-based aircraft)? 3. I see the use of a rocket at the bases of ships, ground infrastructure (for example, in Norway). Sincerely.
            1. Vladimir Koshevoi
              Vladimir Koshevoi 13 September 2020 14: 11
              +3
              "And the key to the apartment, where the money is," is it not necessary?
              1. Beregovic_1
                Beregovic_1 13 September 2020 14: 13
                +2
                "We have such devices! But we will not tell you about them ..."
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 14: 13
              +6
              Quote: Beregovyhok_1
              Targeting problem.

              At this stage, we have a fundamental problem with this ... The development of aviation and space means of long-range reconnaissance, as well as the ZGRLS, as well as the introduction of communication systems analogous to the American Link 16, should be solved ...
              1. The head is optical there. No radar. And a lot of spears were broken on the VO due to the operation of the radar homing head in a plasma cocoon at hypersonic speeds.

              Actually, that is, here is Iskander's GOS.
              MilitaryRasha
              - radar correlation seeker - developed by TsNIIAG (Moscow) in the late 1980s on the Volga theme, the rocket is guided by comparing the digital terrain map in the target area and the data from the radar seeker;
              - optical correlation GOS 9E436 - developed by TsNIIAG (Moscow), the rocket is guided by the reference target image, similar to the seeker of the 8K14-1F rocket. GOS was first presented at the Eurosatory-2004 exhibition.
              GOS weight - 20 kg
              Flight mission input time - no more than 5 min
              QUO - up to 20 m

              - radar active GOS 9B918 - developed and manufactured by NPP "Radar MMS" as of 2009. In 2009, it is planned to serial production of 22 blocks for processing primary information for the 9B918 GOS 9M723-1F missiles in 2010-2011.

              This seems to be the desired ARGSN, or its modification.

              with a decrease in speed to 2m on the last leg of the trajectory)

              Why is everyone trying to make statements without understanding how it is in reality?
              I am giving you an example of the RCC speeds at which ARGSN definitely exist and work
              X-22 - up to 4.5M
              P-100 Mosquito - up to 2.8M
              X-31 - up to 3,1M
              ASM-3 (Japanese) - more than 3M
              or RVV with ARGSN
              Phoenix - 5M
              R-77 - 4.5M
              That is, it is possible with a high degree of probability to assume that in the speed range from 3M to about 5M ARGSN will work exactly

              Again, we recall Pershing's ARGS. I don't really know what speed he had during the guidance phase. Hardly less than 1-1.2 km / s ...
              1. Beregovic_1
                Beregovic_1 13 September 2020 20: 38
                0
                To summarize: INS guidance, adjustments using GLONASS or AWACS aircraft (which will not be allowed to the AUG). There are no confirmed ship tests. You work better than me with sources, but the Dagger did not work on ships from this)
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 21: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Beregovyhok_1
                  There are no confirmed ship tests.

                  Not. For now, at least, we'll see later. In any case, as an element of MRU according to AUG, such a missile is highly desirable.
                2. Volder
                  Volder 14 September 2020 00: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Beregovyhok_1
                  There are no confirmed ship tests. You work better with sources than me, but Dagger didn't work on ships because of this.
                  What proof do you need? Certified by the signature of the Minister of Defense? The adoption of the missile into service is the best confirmation that it has passed all the tests. Yuri Borisov, back in 2018, officially announced that the Dagger is capable of working on moving surface targets. The tests took place BEFORE Putin's cartoons (March 2018), i.e. in the strictest confidence. Therefore, there were no media reports.
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu
                    Sergey Sfiedu 15 September 2020 06: 39
                    +1
                    I think the Yankees would have noted the tests on a moving surface target. It is extremely difficult to hide such tests, and there is no need, let them be afraid. But the Yankees are just silent.
            3. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 13 September 2020 17: 17
              +2
              Quote: Beregovyhok_1
              1. The head is optical there. No radar.

              do you see an optical gsn in the photo ??? lol and where does she see through the fairing
      2. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 13 September 2020 17: 09
        0
        and he's a shitty commentator without "pseudo" laughing
    7. tech3030
      tech3030 13 September 2020 11: 43
      -2
      A question for you, can you argue the opposite and what the opinion is based on. Is there knowledge in this area? I'm just wondering.
    8. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 13 September 2020 11: 52
      -3
      Another pseudo-crap from "experts"


      We are waiting for the article "What will happen if the Dagger hits the tank?" or "The consequences of the fall of the moon on the Pentagon" ...
      1. Old Skeptic
        Old Skeptic 13 September 2020 21: 35
        +3
        What's the problem? Isn't "Dagger" an anti-ship missile? Isn't it logical to assume the consequences of his combat work?

        I did not understand sarcasm.
    9. Old Skeptic
      Old Skeptic 13 September 2020 21: 29
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

      You are claiming that:
      1. Will the aircraft carrier easily survive half a ton of Mach 12 explosives?
      2. The dagger is unable to hit the aircraft carrier? Or overcome the missile defense of an aircraft carrier group?
      3. Will the aircraft carrier be able to continue combat operations after being hit by the Dagger (anywhere)?
      4. Does the AUG not even scratch when the Dagger hits the reactor?

      What's the crap? Explain.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 13 September 2020 22: 35
        0
        1. In the lower atmosphere, 12M is only found in "carrots" of SD ballistic missiles

        2. There was not a single official report about the Dagger against moving targets

        3. The MiG-31 cannot reach the aircraft carrier even in the Norwegian Sea. Not enough fuel
        Explore geography
        1. Volder
          Volder 13 September 2020 23: 52
          +1
          Quote: Santa Fe
          There was not a single official message about the Dagger against moving targets
          And what of it? The lack of news does not mean that the rocket is not working. On the contrary: if it is put into service, then it has passed all the tests. By the way, in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov made an official statement in 2018:
          “This is a class of high-precision weapons that have a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work on both stationary and moving targets. In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the cruiser, destroyer, and frigate class are potential targets for this weapon. "
          3. The MiG-31 cannot reach the aircraft carrier even in the Norwegian Sea. Not enough fuel
          The flight radius of the MiG-31 and the range of the Dagger will make it possible to sink the aircraft carrier 3000 km from the coast of Russia.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 14 September 2020 04: 02
            +1
            Borisov is not a deputy minister of defense of the USSR. Then they believed the Union without words, everyone knew that this country could have everything

            Nowadays, any chatter without specifics is non-binding chatter. Given the "successes" in the production of more traditional weapons
            The flight radius of the MiG-31 and the range of the Dagger will make it possible to sink the aircraft carrier 3000 km from the coast of Russia.

            Even if this were true, 3000 is too little for the ocean (in real life - no 3000 km)

            "Maybe, but who will let him?" - to fly for hours with a multi-ton bandura on a suspension, at subsonic level, at high altitude, in the airspace of NATO countries? (Norway, Turkey ...) such tricks were not rolled even during WWII, when there were problems with detection
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 14 September 2020 06: 53
              0
              How so? B-29 flew at very long ranges, very loaded, ours bombed Berlin in 41st, flying over the field.
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 14 September 2020 08: 12
                +1
                B-29 bombed Japan in the absence of any organized opposition. The plane of the future, a generation ahead

                Ours and Lancasters bombed exclusively at night, when the risk of detection was minimized

                Daytime raid of fortresses without fighter escort led to pogrom (Schweinfurt and Regensburg), after only accompanied by hundreds of fighters
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 14 September 2020 08: 17
                  0
                  You argue against the very fact, such a possibility. This means that with the right tactics, taking into account the opposition, it is possible.
                  Those same daytime raids B-17 and B-24, with fighter cover, devastated German cities and industrial areas.
                  1. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 14 September 2020 09: 24
                    +1
                    A breakthrough by the MPA over Europe in the current circumstances is obvious suicide. Like a fortress raid on Regensburg

                    For the B-17, a cover was organized, quantitatively and qualitatively superior to the Luftwaffe
          2. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 15 September 2020 06: 44
            0
            3000km? It looks like fairy tales. The range of the MiG-31 with supersonic output from open sources is 700 km. Iskander's range is 500 km, the Dagger is perhaps a little more, but 3000 doesn't work. And who will give target designation for 3000 km?
        2. Old Skeptic
          Old Skeptic 14 September 2020 00: 41
          +2
          1. "Dagger" is just an aero-ballistic missile (sort of like an air version of "Iskander") Isn't that so?
          2. It has long been believed that Iskander works on mobile targets. Or is this information unreliable?
          3. Regarding geography, this is rudeness and no numbers. You are just a boor.
          Aircraft carriers go not only in the Norwegian Sea, an aircraft carrier far from the coast is practically useless. Remind the radius of his aircraft?
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 14 September 2020 02: 55
            +1
            1. The speed of the warheads of ballistic missiles depends on the launch range (the height of ascent into space). For Satan or Trident, the speed of the bb in the final section reaches 20M. The 12M you quoted correspond to the performance of a steep medium-range ballistic missile or ICBM
            As you already understood, the Dagger does not possess such qualities.

            2. Iskander does not work on moving targets. Optical IR targeting system with previously known coordinates

            3. Harsh in his statements, and I apologize. Russia is not Vietnam, AB is completely useless against our territory, the United States has other means

            In a theoretical full-scale conflict with the Russian Federation, the US Navy poses a threat as the defender of convoys carrying reinforcements to Europe.

            If aircraft carriers, who like to drown them with Daggers, understood distance and geography, the dispute would be settled. "Elephant against the whale"
            1. Old Skeptic
              Old Skeptic 14 September 2020 14: 10
              0
              Apologies are accepted.
              This article does not consider the method and possibility of missile guidance. Reference data published by the RF Ministry of Defense were taken: Mach 12, range -1000 km, warhead mass, non-zero probability of hitting a target such as an aircraft carrier.
              Based on these data, the author suggested what would happen to the ship when such an ammunition hits.
              I see no reason to hate the author. I think the questions should be addressed to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, it is they who issue the input for analysis.

              The range of 3000 km (MiG-31) + 1000 km ("Dagger") is sufficient.

              One can argue about ballistics for a long time, but in the absence of any reliable data, I find it meaningless.

              My opinion is that "Dagger" is a medium-range ballistic missile with an air launch (or quasi-ballistic, due to partial controllability, or rather correction). In this case, I see no contradictions with Mach 12.
        3. poquello
          poquello 14 September 2020 02: 55
          0
          Quote: Santa Fe
          1. In the lower atmosphere, 12M is only found in "carrots" of SD ballistic missiles

          2. There was not a single official report about the Dagger against moving targets

          3. The MiG-31 cannot reach the aircraft carrier even in the Norwegian Sea. Not enough fuel
          Explore geography

          1. Why did you stop at 12 swings?
          2.Max 12 ett 14000 km / h, then you can count yourself
          3. How far does an aircraft carrier operate?
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 14 September 2020 04: 23
            0
            1. This value is given above. And it's wrong

            2. Count what? Congratulations, you did an excellent job of converting Machs to km / h. What does this have to do with the Dagger?

            3. It works in the ocean, where ships and transports need air cover.

            This is Mig31 and MPA will have to fly there
            (will not reach, the Atlantic is too far from Russia, through the NATO space)
            1. poquello
              poquello 14 September 2020 19: 31
              0
              Quote: Santa Fe
              Think that?

              arrival time and travel time, 10 minutes to escape - 10 km, gsn will capture 70 km
              Quote: Santa Fe
              It works in the ocean, where ships and transports need air cover.

              can then rename him to the punk bearer
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 15 September 2020 05: 27
                0
                arrival time and travel time

                12M for a short-range ballistic missile (2000 km) cannot be, at the time of meeting with the surface
                can then rename him to the punk bearer

                And there is. With tz. our aircraft are not interested in the strike capabilities of the AV. We do not have a large surface fleet. To use naval aviation across the territory of the Russian Federation is upwardly nonsense, for this the Yankees have Air Force, disparate in number and quality, located in Europe and Asia

                Of the entire aircraft carrier, our aircraft can only be interfered with by deck interceptors with air-to-air weapons. Protecting transport routes in the Atlantic

                AB - originally a naval weapon, the Yankees use them to a limited extent for strikes on the coast, because a worthy enemy at sea ended 70 years ago
                1. poquello
                  poquello 15 September 2020 21: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  Protecting transport routes in the Atlantic
                  AB - originally a naval weapon,

                  well, for there are other airplanes))))))))))))))))
        4. tlauicol
          tlauicol 16 September 2020 14: 16
          +1
          Quote: Santa Fe
          1. In the lower atmosphere, 12M is only found in "carrots" of SD ballistic missiles

          ю

          It seems to me that even MRBMs up to 3-4max slow down, no?
    10. bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 15 September 2020 09: 54
      0
      Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

      This is exactly like the famous liar-grandmother Teresa! And what did not suit KVU in the article, what did the author write wrong? Maybe not humane thoughts towards Americans? And I really liked the article!
    11. Ros 56
      Ros 56 22 September 2020 06: 33
      0
      So maybe, besides denial, you can write something more interesting with numbers and facts confirming your words. Or weak?
  2. Charik
    Charik 12 September 2020 16: 32
    +8
    Yes, no Th will not, no Dagger to shoot Avik, no Avik to attack Russia
  3. V1er
    V1er 12 September 2020 16: 33
    14
    If there is still a nuclear warhead, then the ship is definitely kaput.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 43
      11
      I believe that any missile with a massive warhead directed against American targets should be equipped with a nuclear warhead. Since a military conflict with the United States will be a war of total destruction.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 12 September 2020 16: 49
        +3
        The Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces is grateful to you for your help, but it seems that he has his own opinion on this matter.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 12 September 2020 16: 54
          -1
          It is possible that he has bonuses to secret accounts from the NSA or the CIA.

          Bribery of high-ranking officials of hostile states is a great success for any special service.
      2. EMMM
        EMMM 12 September 2020 19: 14
        17
        I believe that a cast-iron blank weighing 300 kg at a speed of 7M from an angle of 60 degrees and a pitch of 25-30 degrees, when the side is pierced in the midsection area, will break the structure in half. The laws of physics.
        1. businessv
          businessv 12 September 2020 21: 04
          +3
          Quote: EMMM
          The laws of physics.

          With such speed and weight, the released kinetic energy of such an impact cannot even be imagined!
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 12 September 2020 22: 01
            +9
            Quote: businessv
            I can't even imagine the released kinetic energy of such an impact!

            And count? The warhead mass is about 300 kg, the speed is 12 M, i.e. about 4 km / s, then the task is in one action. By the way, kinetic energy is obtained more than the chemical energy of explosives in warheads. Fuck! It's good that in half, as one motorcyclist said, crashing into a pole.
            1. businessv
              businessv 12 September 2020 22: 13
              +2
              Quote: astepanov
              It's good that in half, as one motorcyclist said, crashing into a pole.
              laughing good Yes, I meant the impact of the blow, not the calculations! (2400000000 J)
              By the way, kinetic energy is obtained more than the chemical energy of explosives in warheads.
              Exactly this!
              1. your1970
                your1970 13 September 2020 01: 34
                +3
                that is, the aircraft carrier is finished - even if there are no explosives there?
              2. hydrox
                hydrox 13 September 2020 12: 54
                0
                Kinetic energy (KE) ... it cannot exist at v= 0.
                Sl-but, it is obliged to transform into another form: the simplest solution is to heat, i.e. IR :: hence the next question - in what IR range ??
                1. businessv
                  businessv 13 September 2020 21: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: hydrox
                  Kinetic energy (KE) ... it cannot exist at v = 0.
                  Of course, but this v must first be brought to 0. I wrote the result above in J.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 14 September 2020 06: 21
                    0
                    In fact, the question was about the form of the released energy, not its value ...
                    1. businessv
                      businessv 15 September 2020 19: 14
                      0
                      Quote: hydrox
                      In fact, the question was about the form of the released energy, not its value ...
                      It's funny! What, in your opinion, can be the form of energy in a cast-iron bar flying at a speed of 12M and encountering an obstacle made of various materials, including chemical and nuclear, on its way? It is clear that a mass of energy of various types will be released, on which the form you are interested in will depend on, in the form of which the release will take place.
                      1. hydrox
                        hydrox 15 September 2020 20: 34
                        +1
                        How many tons of steel will steam go? laughing
            2. nod739
              nod739 13 September 2020 06: 11
              +1
              Who said 12m is near the surface?
              ....
              But even a third, of course, is quite a lot
          2. Rzzz
            Rzzz 13 September 2020 08: 01
            +2
            But this is in case the blank stops in the body.
            So it will break through him and fly away further.
            A similar problem was encountered when creating the ZiS-2 anti-tank gun. There, the speed of the armor-piercing blank was such that it pierced German "three-ruble points" through, sometimes even without serious damage.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 13 September 2020 00: 15
          -4
          Quote: EMMM
          I believe that a cast-iron blank weighing 300 kg at a speed of 7M from an angle of 60 degrees and a pitch of 25-30 degrees, when the side is pierced in the midsection area, will break the structure in half. The laws of physics.

          Such a "blank" will sew through the body and go into the ocean. The AVU will remain afloat, and may even retain its combat capability after repair and restoration work. yes
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 13 September 2020 13: 00
            +1
            The whole difficulty of the tolerances is that the Dagger is a constructive, not a blank, while the explosive charge is blasting, not cumulative, so a neat hole will not work, then what will happen?
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 13 September 2020 15: 21
              -1
              So this is "Dagger".
              But tovarisch "EMMM" sang about a "cast-iron blank" ... that is, an "armor-piercing", not an "explosive" bullet ... So tankers understand !? am
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 13 September 2020 16: 32
                +1
                I don’t know, for tankers, maybe it’s understandable, but a tank is not an aircraft carrier, but such a karap is a strategic combat unit, and even a tank army would be too small for this concept.
        3. smart ass
          smart ass 13 September 2020 06: 11
          +1
          And I think there will be a neat through hole
          1. Stas Sv
            Stas Sv 13 September 2020 19: 46
            -1
            I see it that way too. There will be a neat opening of the entrance, but at the exit there will be a "rosette".
          2. businessv
            businessv 13 September 2020 21: 48
            +2
            Quote: Clever man
            And I think there will be a neat through hole

            Well, if on the way you don't come across some kind of explosive storage, or a reactor, or fuel tanks.
        4. K298rtm
          K298rtm 13 September 2020 09: 26
          0
          1. The main thing is to get to the midship area.
          2. But how to achieve this - a big question (if a product without an SSN - it's difficult to get there, if there is an SSN - then the electronic warfare will interfere, well, etc.)
        5. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 13 September 2020 13: 42
          0
          300 kg is the weight of the warhead. A rocket, even with depleted fuel, is much heavier.
    2. Alex_You
      Alex_You 12 September 2020 16: 47
      12
      Well xs, xs. During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.
      1. V1er
        V1er 12 September 2020 16: 47
        +7
        The deck will definitely be contaminated.
        1. MakStVik
          MakStVik 12 September 2020 16: 54
          22
          She is already infected by the Americans.
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        2. Avior
          Avior 12 September 2020 19: 17
          13
          For such purposes there is a deck irrigation system.
      2. RUnnm
        RUnnm 12 September 2020 16: 53
        19
        Apparently, you mean, after all, not Independence, but Saratoga. But do not forget that the power of the explosion was only 23 kilotons and Saratoga was 2 km from the epicenter. Although there were still fires both on the deck and in the hangars of the aircraft.
        Not to mention the fact that the radiation level at the epicenter reached 16 thousand roentgens
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 September 2020 17: 06
          10
          Quote: RUnnm
          But do not forget that the power of the explosion was only 23 kilotons and Saratoga was 2 km from the epicenter.

          And there were two explosions ... First, the Able test, when they dropped a bomb of 23 kt, and then there was the Baker test ...
          There the bomb was suspended from the bottom of the landing craft.
          Agree, not in that, in the other case, do not talk about a direct hit of a hyperspeed missile into an aircraft carrier.
          Although there is a common point: if the Dagger has a YABZ, then everything will be infected there. And if the iron does not sink, there will be quite a few people there from radiation.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 12 September 2020 17: 12
            10
            Looked at the materiel. Yes, the tugs never approached Saratoga due to the level of radiation and, as a result, it sank. So the crew, like the pilots there, would definitely have died from radiation.
          2. the most important
            the most important 12 September 2020 19: 11
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            And if the iron doesn't sink,

            ... then it will simply evaporate from the colossal temperature from a nuclear explosion inside the case.
          3. Turist1996
            Turist1996 12 September 2020 22: 20
            +2
            Although there is a common point: if the Dagger has a YABZ, then everything will be infected there. And if the iron does not sink, there will be quite a few people there from radiation.

            For some reason it seemed to me that modern special warheads are mainly of thermonuclear, not atomic type .. If I am right, then with RA "infection" should not be so scary.
          4. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 13 September 2020 02: 55
            +2
            At such a rocket speed, the question is when to detonate the charge! There will also be a process of triggering the entire device. When you break through buildings, set the trigger time. And at this speed when will the charge go off? Before approaching, when touching, after flying? Won Boeing crashed into a shopping center on September 11, almost pierced it through! And then supersonic! It will probably look like a bullet breaking through a tin can! Another issue is the accuracy of the hit. What is supersonic like? If in tank firing at a stationary target, subsonic missiles could not hit! While the military did not seem to demonstrate the accuracy of hitting and destruction from hypersound!
        2. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 12 September 2020 17: 53
          0
          Quote: RUnnm
          the radiation level at the epicenter reached 16 thousand roentgens

          This is not a level, but a dose. The level is the dose per unit of time. And the level, in contrast to the dose, decreases significantly over time.
      3. KCA
        KCA 12 September 2020 16: 58
        +3
        They remained afloat, but no one assessed their functionality after the explosion, because it was not there before the explosion, and the state of the crew, because it was not on board either.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 12 September 2020 17: 03
          +3
          Yes, there then two camps waged this dispute - some said that there was no struggle for survivability, while others that there was no ammunition, fuel, etc.
          But the controversy did not end with anything.
          1. Oleg1263
            Oleg1263 12 September 2020 17: 27
            +1
            Well, what kind of survivability could there be if everything was infected? They then all the ships - the targets were flooded precisely because of the impossibility of clearing them of radiation. Although, of course, geography played a cruel joke. They took water for disinfection from the lagoon, which was then drained there ...
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 12 September 2020 17: 51
              +5
              Quote: oleg1263
              They took water for disinfection from the lagoon, which was then drained there ...

              In general, the decontamination was carried out in such a way that the hair stood on end. Here is Prince Eugen:

              The same "Prince Eugen", which, according to the results of decontamination, was deemed too radioactive even for a short-term stay on it for the purpose of repair.
              1. RUnnm
                RUnnm 12 September 2020 18: 13
                +9
                There they also brought sailors on excursions. And they managed to take "souvenirs" with them. Which phonili so that there are no words. The story of one sailor is known, who then suffered from cancer and a heap of diseases for years until the end of his life. I forgot his last name, but I think it's easy to find on the Internet. There, photos and videos with him are simply terrifying.
            2. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 12 September 2020 17: 57
              +4
              Quote: oleg1263
              They took water for disinfection from the lagoon

              Colleagues, be a little more precise in terms.
              1. Oleg1263
                Oleg1263 12 September 2020 18: 01
                +2
                That's right, decontamination !!!
      4. Bodipancher
        Bodipancher 12 September 2020 17: 07
        +7
        Well, not entirely correct comparison. There were two explosions: air and underwater outside the ship's hull. If a special warhead explodes inside the ship, then naturally nothing will remain of the aircraft carrier. And there is also ammunition, fuel for aircraft and two working reactors. I think it will be a normal boom-boom)))
        1. KCA
          KCA 12 September 2020 17: 20
          10
          Proceeding from the fact that the warhead of the "Dagger" is 500kg, and the X-55 nuclear warhead is 200kT 410kg, in the event of a direct hit from the SBS, nothing will remain from the aircraft carrier
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 12 September 2020 20: 33
          +4
          If you want correct comparisons, the head will fly at a speed of 8M across the aircraft carrier "Gerald Ford" in about 0,03 seconds. Are you sure that the reaction of the fuse and the main charge will be less time? We are already dealing with such speeds that a particularly accurate calculation is needed. The subsonic "exoset", having broken through the board, manages to break the furniture inside for 10-15m of space before the warhead detonates (as practice has shown), but here the speed is tenfold.
      5. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 12 September 2020 17: 58
        +6
        Yeah. Only those aircraft carriers had neither aviation gasoline nor ammunition, which have a stupid habit of catching fire and exploding.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Yeah. Only those aircraft carriers had neither aviation gasoline nor ammunition, which have a stupid habit of catching fire and exploding.

          Quote: Bodypuncher
          I think it will be a normal boom-boom)))

          Everything is correct. All in science.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist 13 September 2020 03: 48
          -2
          And also there was no crew who should stop all this! And in general, death from radiation does not occur immediately, so the ship will be completely limited
      6. APASUS
        APASUS 12 September 2020 21: 29
        0
        Quote: Alex_You
        Well xs, xs. During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.

        You are confusing something, the survivability of the ship and the performance of the combat mission! The fact that 2 out of three remained afloat does not mean anything at all, they are destroyed. We are not talking about survivability.
        Saratoga sank eight hours after the underwater shock wave had holes in the hull. Immediately after the passage of the shock wave, the wave of water rose 13 m above the stern and 9 m above the bow, rocking the ship from side to side and crashing into it, sweeping away all five aircraft standing on the flight deck and dumping the pipe onto the deck. The ship remained upright away from the spray column, but too close to it, and was drenched in radioactive water from the incident base wave.

        Admiral Blandy ordered tugs to tow the aircraft carrier to Enyo Island and wash ashore, but Saratoga and the surrounding waters were too radioactive for the tugs to approach it before it sank. The ship sank vertically to the bottom, its top point is 12 m from the surface. Today, when the level of radioactive contamination has dropped to a safe level, Saratoga is one of the most popular diving sites. (The 2009 diving season was canceled due to high fuel prices, erratic flights to the island and the refusal of the Bikini Islanders Foundation, which subsidized these activities.)

        The Independence survived Able, but the upper deck suffered great damage. The ship was far enough away from the Baker explosion to avoid physical destruction, but was heavily contaminated. It was towed to San Francisco, where decontamination experiments were carried out for four years at the Hunters Point shipyards, which did not lead to satisfactory results. On January 29, 1951, the ship was sunk in the ocean near the Farallon Islands.
      7. Imperial Technocrat
        Imperial Technocrat 12 September 2020 21: 42
        +1
        First, there was not a direct hit and an explosion directly near the ship, but underwater, and at a certain distance. Secondly, there was a weak head at 1kt. Now imagine if you hit a megaton, and directly next to the ship. It will not only be destroyed, but evaporated, it will simply disappear
      8. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 12 September 2020 23: 17
        0
        Quote: Alex_You
        During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.

        in the sense of not all drowned? have you forgotten about radiation? Well, will this order with a mountain of corpses float in the sea, and what will be its combat effectiveness?
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 13 September 2020 03: 50
          -1
          I repeat !!! Death from radiation does not occur immediately, so the combat effectiveness will not be greatly affected
          1. Mikhail Tynda
            Mikhail Tynda 13 September 2020 04: 14
            +4
            Study the course and symptoms of acute radiation sickness. There is such intensity and current that it is hard to live. Not like fighting. And yet, yes, death somewhere in 3-30 days, but this time, a person is not a warrior, but an invalid with a gradually falling apart organism.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 13 September 2020 07: 41
              -2
              So there is no need for three days !!! but you need to complete the task within XNUMX hours! What health is enough for the irradiated
              1. unhappy
                unhappy 13 September 2020 08: 11
                +1
                Life is not a computer game, the team must consist entirely of real fanatics, I repeat this can only be in the game. In real life, most of the team will deal with personal problems, like praying ...
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 13 September 2020 08: 15
                  -2
                  And this is not a game, this is reality, the consequences of radiation do not appear immediately, and yes, everyone will immediately become fanatics out of despair
                  1. unhappy
                    unhappy 13 September 2020 08: 22
                    +3
                    To become a fanatic you need a basis, do the "volunteers - contractors" from America have one? And if so what?
                    Get citizenship, cut the loot, oh yeah flag love winked
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 13 September 2020 12: 39
                +1
                Quote: Nehist
                So there is no need for three days !!! but you need to complete the task within XNUMX hours!

                you don't seem to understand what happens in a nuclear explosion ... let's start the OBZh lesson.
                a nuclear explosion has several damaging factors, they are a shock wave, a heat wave, radiation and an electromagnetic pulse.
                now let's estimate what damage each factor will cause.
                in case of a direct hit, the aircraft carrier will be blown into atoms, this option is not considered. here everything is clear.

                in an air or underwater explosion, the ships will survive the shock wave and heat wave, in the sense that they will not lose their buoyancy, but all superstructures will be seriously damaged. that is, no functioning radar or communications antenna. the warrant is blind and deaf. also deformations of the hull, which means the flight deck, catapults, elevators are disabled. all aircraft on deck, the Americans love it, have been destroyed. Since these are fueled planes, add to this the serious fires in an air explosion.

                the radiation release from a nuclear explosion is many times higher than the lethal level. how long a person will live after exposure is determined by the dose of radiation. Japanese fishermen, who were more than 100 km from the epicenter of the explosion, fell into a radioactive cloud from the explosion and the radio operator did not swim to the house. in the immediate vicinity of the explosion, the dose of radiation is such that people will not live even a day, and this day they will die painfully. there is no reason to talk about any meaningful activity.

                an electromagnetic pulse will destroy all electronics. Do you remember what happened in Fukushima when the water flooded the diesel generators that fed the protective circuit of the nuclear power plant? there are 2 reactors in which the protective circuit will be cut down.

                summarize. after a nuclear explosion, the order will turn into floating iron debris with a pile of corpses, which cannot even be delivered to the port for repairs due to the fact that it emits dangerous doses of radiation. all. finish. yes
                1. Stas Sv
                  Stas Sv 13 September 2020 20: 38
                  +1
                  Yes, Alex is. It's just that some at one time graduated from the CPC and about the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons not in Kursy. Alas request
      9. Simargl
        Simargl 13 September 2020 04: 24
        +1
        Quote: Alex_You
        During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.
        They are tenacious ... that's just an aircraft carrier
        - loses all aircraft that have not taken off,
        - becomes a piece of radiation iron,
        - almost the entire team is not tenants,
        - if at least one reactor and engine survives - of all combat use - only a ram. And this is with an explosion of 500 m.
        I would like to remind you that less than 20 kt exploded 600 meters from the chamber of commerce, the building was not blown into dust.
        If you get into the ship itself, and even inside, the consequences will be much more sad.
        If the reactor explodes from a chemical explosion (conventional, as they say), the deck will be turned out at maximum.
  4. RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 September 2020 16: 36
    +5
    I don't know ... why aim at the deck or the reactor. Walk like that. And if we discuss such hypotheses at the level of a spherical vacuum, then it is necessary to aim at the eye of the AUG commander.
    No numbers, no calculations, nothing - only hypothetical speculations - "and if, maybe ..." and so on
    1. BABAY22
      BABAY22 12 September 2020 16: 58
      +9
      Quote: RUnnm
      it is necessary to aim in the eye of the commander of the AUG.

      And only the Black Hole. wassat
      1. Mikhail Tynda
        Mikhail Tynda 13 September 2020 04: 15
        0
        Afrodyroy? winked
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 12 September 2020 17: 36
      +9
      Uh-huh. Also noted - the author is counting on a sniper hit. So he took it straight and decided - no, we will not get into the eighth compartment, but into the ninth ...
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 12 September 2020 17: 37
        +4
        Apparently, I read that the declared deviation is 1m.)))
      2. your1970
        your1970 13 September 2020 01: 39
        -2
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        gu. Also noted - the author is counting on a sniper hit. So he took it straight and decided - no, we will not get into the eighth compartment, but into the ninth ...
        -you have already been answered
        Quote: astepanov
        Quote: businessv
        I can't even imagine the released kinetic energy of such an impact!

        And count? The warhead mass is about 300 kg, the speed is 12 M, i.e. about 4 km / s, then the task is in one action. By the way, kinetic energy is obtained more than the chemical energy of explosives in warheads. .
        - so that plus or minus the compartment can not even be counted - it is necessary to get into the contour of the ship ...
  5. rudolff
    rudolff 12 September 2020 16: 48
    13
    "The maximum flight speed of the rocket on the trajectory is also taken into account. It is about Mach 12."
    This is the estimated maximum missile speed. The speed of the missile at the moment of contact with the target is unknown. It is quite possible that the damage caused will be commensurate with the similar from the hit of Granite, Volcano, Basalt or similar products.
  6. MakStVik
    MakStVik 12 September 2020 16: 52
    +6
    What are they modeling? The war with the Americans will last 30 minutes. And after that we will be like the moon.
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 12 September 2020 18: 07
      +7
      Well, at least we will visit the moon at least. laughing True, not all.
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 12 September 2020 22: 28
        +1
        "Not just everything!" laughing
  7. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 12 September 2020 16: 54
    -5
    "The characteristics of American naval defense systems against aircraft do not allow countering hypersonic missile weapons." But seriously? The MiG-31 launches a rocket from a great height and shines on radar screens like the sun, the rocket itself flies at a high altitude and glows like the sun. Even if Aegis does not have time to react, then there will obviously be enough time to put active and passive interference.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 12 September 2020 20: 28
      0
      Especially for minus signers - the flight time of the Dagger is quite comparable to the flight time of the P-15 from Egyptian missile boats launched at Israeli missile boats. The Egyptians could not sink a single Israeli boat - the Israelis had time to react, even though they had no trace of Aegis.
      1. Mikhail Tynda
        Mikhail Tynda 13 September 2020 04: 23
        +3
        The destroyer Eilat was not saved.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 15 September 2020 06: 54
          0
          The destroyer "Eilat" was the first, the Jews were sure that shells with radar fuses would destroy any P-15. It turned out that no, the rocket is too fast and flies too low. After that, the Israelis changed their tactics, and the Arabs had no more success.
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 12 September 2020 22: 29
      -4
      A universal question for you: and what ?!
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  8. fa2998
    fa2998 12 September 2020 17: 05
    +3
    Quote: rudolff
    "The maximum flight speed of the rocket on the trajectory is also taken into account. It is about Mach 12."

    At 12 M, the rocket is "blind". The guidance is only inertial, preferably for stationary objects. If you have to slow down the homing system, you need to make calculations. And if you use nuclear warheads, what, Russia withdrew from all international agreements on reduction? Everything is written there, by carriers. hi
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 September 2020 18: 27
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      Everything is written there, according to the carriers.

      This is not a strategic carrier
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 12 September 2020 18: 34
        -2
        But the maximum number of YABCH is indicated. Put at least on "Yars" at least on howitzer ammunition. But no one "exchanges". The survivability of the carrier affects.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 September 2020 18: 40
          +6
          If necessary, no one interferes with screwing the YABC in short. The standard naval mallet is 350 kilotons.
  9. seacap
    seacap 12 September 2020 17: 07
    13
    If it comes to "Daggers" on an aircraft carrier, it means that the world, human civilization has only a few hours left to exist.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 19: 08
      +2
      Quote: seacap
      If it comes to "Daggers" on an aircraft carrier, it means that the world, human civilization has only a few hours left to exist.

      Something I doubt that put under the guillotine manages to spit in the face of the executioner ... Here the very prospect of dissolving into the air along with the entire kagal can overcome the loss of even all AUGs located in international waters far from the US coast. I will simply keep silent about the EU.
      An example, when one gentleman decided to seize little Poland in 1939, were there many who wanted to resist or share the fate of this country? And here, with the disappearance of some separately located island, hardly anyone is concerned with the fate of Navalny, or some Denmark, more than their own ...
      I think so, focusing on the actions and episodes taking place in the history of mankind.
      But do you think that human civilization will have hours? In the form that it has - yes. But there are places on the planet where people will not even understand what happened there ...
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 12 September 2020 20: 22
        +3
        The Japs in 1941 also hoped that the cowardly Yankees would crap after Pearl Harbor, and without a fight would give them the Pacific Ocean. But somehow it did not work out. Therefore, just as the Yankees will try not to attack a nuclear power without extreme need, so their opponents are in no hurry to throw nuclear missiles against their aircraft carriers. - stupidly like that.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 12 September 2020 21: 06
          +5
          Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
          The Japs in 1941 also hoped that the cowardly Yankees would crap after Pearl Harbor, and without a fight would give them the Pacific Ocean. But somehow it didn't work out.

          "Japs" in 1941 so "hit on snot" "Americans" that until 1945 they wiped off snot, although not a single bomb fell on the territory of the United States (continental). Only in 1945, having dropped two atomic bombs on the cities of Japan (with the majority of civilians), they dared to land troops. And then there was Operation Cottage - the US Army's operation to liberate the island of Kiska ...
          Let's not dwell on the bravery of American warriors who are fighting only in cleared territory, either with the help of aircraft or with the assistance of coalition forces. Vietnam to help me.
          In terms of waging war, this is the meanest nation in the world. It attacks only countries that are several times weaker than the United States itself, both economically and in terms of the armament of the army. The DPRK and Iran, where nuclear weapons are in their infancy, are here to help me.
          And, if any countries have raised their "legs up", it is only for fear of the foolishness with which the Americans are bombing everything and everyone.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 13 September 2020 09: 08
            +2
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
            The Japs in 1941 also hoped that the cowardly Yankees would crap after Pearl Harbor, and without a fight would give them the Pacific Ocean. But somehow it didn't work out.

            "Japs" in 1941 so "hit on snot" "Americans" that until 1945 they wiped off snot, although not a single bomb fell on the territory of the United States (continental). Only in 1945, having dropped two atomic bombs on the cities of Japan (with the majority of civilians), they dared to land troops. And then there was Operation Cottage - the US Army's operation to liberate the island of Kiska ...
            Let's not dwell on the bravery of American warriors who are fighting only in cleared territory, either with the help of aircraft or with the assistance of coalition forces. Vietnam to help me.
            In terms of waging war, this is the meanest nation in the world. It attacks only countries that are several times weaker than the United States itself, both economically and in terms of the armament of the army. The DPRK and Iran, where nuclear weapons are in their infancy, are here to help me.
            And, if any countries have raised their "legs up", it is only for fear of the foolishness with which the Americans are bombing everything and everyone.



            Why lie like that?
            The war in the Pacific Ocean and Southeast Asia was not going on?
            Haven't the Japs got the tinsel from 43 on practically all fronts?

            And the Americans landed in Japan in March-April 45, and the bombs were dropped only in August ...

            I congratulate you, sir lied ...

            And you are lying deliberately.

            Having lied once - but who will believe you?
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 11: 06
              +2
              Quote: SovAr238A
              And the Americans landed in Japan in March-April 45,


              What do you think Japan is interesting to me? I somehow do not remember the American landing in the Japanese metropolis in the spring of 1945 - neither on Honshu, nor on Sekaku, nor on Kyushu, nor on Hokkaido. So who is lying then?
              You would point out that we are probably talking about Iwo Jima, for clarity of the issue. From which to the Japanese metropolis 1250 km. That is, outside the range of most tactical aircraft from Kyushu. So the metropolis and the island are not the same thing. But for a substitution of concepts it will do. Yes?
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 13 September 2020 21: 51
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Quote: SovAr238A
                And the Americans landed in Japan in March-April 45,


                What do you think Japan is interesting to me? I somehow do not remember the American landing in the Japanese metropolis in the spring of 1945 - neither on Honshu, nor on Sekaku, nor on Kyushu, nor on Hokkaido. So who is lying then?
                You would point out that we are probably talking about Iwo Jima, for clarity of the issue. From which to the Japanese metropolis 1250 km. That is, outside the range of most tactical aircraft from Kyushu. So the metropolis and the island are not the same thing. But for a substitution of concepts it will do. Yes?



                Japan is Japan.
                That which was Japanese all my life - and was not captured during the WWII - I consider Japanese.
                I'm talking about the same Okinawa.
                When was the Okinawa landing there?

                I understand the human desire to belittle other people's victories.
                I understand the role of our victory in Manchuria ..
                But you have to be objective.
  10. HAM
    HAM 12 September 2020 17: 09
    +5
    Sometimes there is a benefit from the "fashion designers": you have to build so many aircraft carriers that the "Daggers" are not enough for everyone ... laughing
  11. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 12 September 2020 17: 12
    -2
    I will express my opinion of an amateur repeat

    We load the "dagger" with yadryonbaton - and no matter where it goes - the effect is GUARANTEED !!! good

    If we consider the situation that we are shooting at NATO aircraft carriers - both for me and in the Third World War, all means are good hi
  12. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 12 September 2020 17: 13
    +1
    No signature, but Damantsev's style.
  13. ximkim
    ximkim 12 September 2020 17: 16
    -1
    Did the experts take into account the aircraft carrier's air defense?
    1. Charik
      Charik 12 September 2020 18: 23
      0
      Air defense aircraft carrier wassat - phalanxes or sispars or something newer?
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 12 September 2020 21: 31
        +7
        Quote: Charik
        Air defense aircraft carrier wassat - phalanxes or sispars or something newer?


        Actually. 2 sides with 4 AMRAAMs each, they are always in the air.
        Plus 3-4 destroyers, which are actually the aircraft carrier's air defense.
        Plus AWACS, which in the E-2D version is able to direct missiles over the horizon, i.e. BIUS Idjik is not necessary to see the goal.
        And the launch and guidance of missiles from Destroyers or Fighters is controlled by the E-2D operators.

        Here is such a NIF-CA ...
        1. Charik
          Charik 13 September 2020 11: 23
          +1
          again 25, Dagger vs CVN, no F18 and Berkov probably wanted to discuss this in the article, but that was how the article could be called-Will one dagger pierce AUG
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 13 September 2020 21: 34
            0
            Quote: Charik
            again 25, Dagger vs CVN, no F18 and Berkov probably wanted to discuss this in the article, but that was how the article could be called-Will one dagger pierce AUG


            Is there any point in discussing what cannot be? Who is stronger than an elephant or a whale?
            An aircraft carrier in combat without security?
            Do you understand what you are writing about?
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 19: 52
          +1
          Quote: SovAr238A
          2 sides with 4 AMRAAMs each, they are always in the air.

          Not always. It all depends on the level of alertness of the AUG.
          There are several of them
          Quote: SovAr238A
          And the launch and guidance of missiles from Destroyers or Fighters is controlled by the E-2D operators.


          Will there be a link or as usual? And then, as if I remember just over-the-horizon targeting missiles can be engaged in F-35. Well, you forgot to say how many missiles and how many targets can be targeted ...
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 13 September 2020 21: 42
            +1
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Quote: SovAr238A
            2 sides with 4 AMRAAMs each, they are always in the air.

            Not always. It all depends on the level of alertness of the AUG.
            There are several of them
            Quote: SovAr238A
            And the launch and guidance of missiles from Destroyers or Fighters is controlled by the E-2D operators.


            Will there be a link or as usual? And then, as if I remember just over-the-horizon targeting missiles can be engaged in F-35. Well, you forgot to say how many missiles and how many targets can be targeted ...


            Quite the opposite, Hawkeye was the first ...
            It's just that our news is not interested in Hawkeye, he is "not a penguin", so they usually keep silent about him.
            But Hawkeye was the first.

            Well, as an example ...
            https://breakingdefense.com/2017/02/link-army-navy-missile-defense-networks-adm-harris/

            The naval ones require the army to introduce these (read army) into a single fire control system.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 September 2020 23: 53
              +1
              Quote: SovAr238A
              it is the E-2D operators that control.


              They don't rule from the word at all. There is a different scheme. The operators of the shooting ship with Aegis "control the missile defense", that is, Aegis accompanies the target and issues radio correction commands via Hawkeye... But there are troubles associated with the drop in the probability of hitting the VC to small values ​​with such shooting, this is due to the low accuracy of target tracking with the Hokai's observation saucer .. Figuratively speaking - "unloading ammunition into the sea through the barrel" (Ts.).
        3. Stas Sv
          Stas Sv 13 September 2020 21: 08
          0
          Ok, let's dream: once, and all GPS transmitters are suppressed by the missile defense system. Where will your amerskoy racket fly?
          By the way, I came across such crap both in Afghanistan and Iraq, when all means of navigation on the plane were denied. The Chinese and Russian constellations of satellites helped out.
          Fortunately, they are spelled out on the tablet. fellow
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 13 September 2020 21: 44
            0
            Quote: Stas Sv
            Ok, let's dream: once, and all GPS transmitters are suppressed by the missile defense system. Where will your amerskoy racket fly?
            By the way, I came across such crap both in Afghanistan and Iraq, when all means of navigation on the plane were denied. The Chinese and Russian constellations of satellites helped out.
            Fortunately, they are spelled out on the tablet. fellow

            Those. you have never heard of positioning systems other than GPS GPS Navstar and guidance systems that do not use GPS Navstar?
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 12 September 2020 22: 34
      +3
      Air defense aircraft carrier

      Excuse me, what did you say?!
      There are four "Shilki" in the corners of the deck will strengthen it, the aircraft carrier, the air defense twice - for from the native air defense on it is pure profanation. Everything is assigned to the escort group.
  14. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 12 September 2020 17: 22
    -11 qualifying.
    Pensioners, on the results of whose work the Kremlin diaspora sits, receive 13-15 thousand pensions each. And experts rant about daggers and Poseidons. If something happened, those retirees would not go to the machine or plow, but would watch and survive.
  15. garri-lin
    garri-lin 12 September 2020 17: 28
    +2
    And again post nonsense. If they hit the avik, it will either be reckless like North Korea. Either Russia or China. Both the first and second categories will be hit with the most powerful weapon. Tobish nuclear. The most probable blow to the Avik is an anti-ship missile with nuclear warheads of a couple of hundred tons. An underwater explosion about a kilometer from the target. Well, or some weak countries like Syria, Libya or Yugoslavia can try to scratch the paint.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 12 September 2020 21: 33
      -1
      Quote: garri-lin
      And again post nonsense. If they hit the avik, it will either be reckless like North Korea. Either Russia or China. Both the first and second categories will be hit with the most powerful weapon. Tobish nuclear. The most probable blow to the Avik is an anti-ship missile with nuclear warheads of a couple of hundred tons. An underwater explosion about a kilometer from the target. Well, or some weak countries like Syria, Libya or Yugoslavia can try to scratch the paint.


      Hit with a nuclear one - you get a full-scale nuclear strike ...
      Or will you be like a character in an anecdote: "What for us?" ...
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 12 September 2020 21: 57
        +4
        Do you think that the strike on the aircraft carrier will take place against the background of negotiations on friendship and cooperation? The war will already go on. And the blow will be an element of the war.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 13 September 2020 21: 56
          0
          Quote: garri-lin
          Do you think that the strike on the aircraft carrier will take place against the background of negotiations on friendship and cooperation? The war will already go on. And the blow will be an element of the war.


          Nuclear war?

          Something we have not seen Israeli nuclear strikes on their enemies.
          Although their wars were not for life, but to the death ...

          There were no nuclear strikes in the military conflicts of Pakistan and India, India and China ...
          There were no nuclear strikes during the wars in Vietnam, Korea ..
          And the wars were not kindergarten ones ...
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 13 September 2020 23: 03
            0
            Pakistan, India, China. Are you likening border skirmishes to hitting an aircraft carrier? Israel is on the side. Exactly Israel is busy chasing slippers.
  16. RealPilot
    RealPilot 12 September 2020 17: 31
    +6
    Will hitting the reactor cause it to explode? Nuclear? I do not believe!

    Rather, the scattering of fragments and infection as from a "dirty bomb".
    An explosion requires a critical mass, which is not there, and will not be when the reactor is blown to pieces.

    But with SBCH, yes! Little will not seem. Even if next to you.
  17. tlauicol
    tlauicol 12 September 2020 17: 35
    13
    What are the 12max at the moment of contact with the target? Even blocks of ICBMs fall to the surface, slowing down to 2,5m. Recalculate, experts
    1. Alber alber
      Alber alber 13 September 2020 00: 40
      -3
      The blocks are specially bred, which contributes to the drop in speed, and he is a monoblock dagger, why should he breed it, he has a maximum speed just before the collision, if that all questions to Borisov and the innovator
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 13 September 2020 04: 07
        +4
        Monoblock ICBMs, OTRK also slow down in dense layers.
  18. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 12 September 2020 17: 39
    +1
    In other words, with a hypothetical strike, the target will be hit in any case.
    not in any, you still need to get there, and this is not a trivial task at such speeds
  19. zwlad
    zwlad 12 September 2020 18: 06
    +4
    Che for nonsense it is written that 500 kg of explosives will destroy an aircraft carrier. And they can drown the whole AUG. 500 kg is certainly a lot, but not for an aircraft carrier.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 12 September 2020 19: 42
      +5
      It is extremely difficult for the average layman to imagine a ship the size of an aircraft carrier. Therefore, they think that 500 kg is a lot.
  20. GREG68
    GREG68 12 September 2020 18: 06
    +4
    Do not feed these experts with bread, let them play war.
  21. Volga073
    Volga073 12 September 2020 18: 10
    +5
    You need to aim at the Pentagon.
    Then all American AUGs will be paralyzed at once.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 12 September 2020 21: 33
      +4
      Quote: Volga073
      You need to aim at the Pentagon.
      Then all American AUGs will be paralyzed at once.


      How so?
      Do they have any wiring there?
      Wheels?
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 September 2020 01: 45
        -2
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Quote: Volga073
        You need to aim at the Pentagon.
        Then all American AUGs will be paralyzed at once.


        How so?
        Do they have any wiring there?
        Wheels?
        - the command is there ... and without the command, to get food, fuel, and most importantly: the combat mission is extremely difficult
      2. Charik
        Charik 13 September 2020 11: 32
        +3
        It is extremely difficult for the average layman to understand that the AUG management is not only from the Pentagon
        1. your1970
          your1970 13 September 2020 20: 52
          0
          Quote: Charik
          It is extremely difficult for the average layman to understand that the AUG management is not only from the Pentagon
          -and then what? well, let it be from the bunker? what's the difference, if a nuclear strike has already been struck on the Pentagon? Do you remember where it is? The world has already come ...
          Well, they will come to our shores to bomb AUG and? All major ports have been deliberately destroyed by US nuclear strikes. Where else can they fly?
          And most importantly, why?
  22. Revival
    Revival 12 September 2020 18: 18
    +6
    What is this disgrace !?
    Is this supposedly an article?
    Although I am a lawyer, I can do this easily, maybe a little better
    1. K298rtm
      K298rtm 13 September 2020 09: 39
      +1
      Well, roll it over. The audience is looking forward to it.
      1. Revival
        Revival 13 September 2020 11: 16
        +3
        Yes, why should I go where I don't know !?
        And roll the same meaningless article?
        Here, all the same, VO, not Yandex Zen in the light version
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 12 September 2020 18: 21
    +8
    Something reminded of the dialogue in "Peculiarities of National Fishing":
    - Yes, I can put an aircraft carrier to the bottom!
    - Mmmm ... ???
    - Well, if you're lucky, of course ...
  24. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 12 September 2020 18: 25
    -4
    Indeed, some kind of crap. From country anonymous experts.

    "According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Dagger hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land, but also at sea."

    It's been talking about for five years now. True, they never say how it will get into objects.
    And how many aircraft carriers, or at least models, have already sunk (with active opposition then!)

    1) The dagger has always been positioned as a sea.
    2) It's ballistic and hypersonic. So it will be visible to everyone and from afar. This means that they will also be jammed and shot from afar.
    And in fact, the task is standard - to detonate charges with a cloud of debris on the way. Calculate trajectory and detonate on the way. Already modern computers have to cope.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 September 2020 18: 43
      +9
      Quote: Alex2000
      Already modern computers have to cope.


      According to your logic, it is not a problem to shoot down an ICBM warhead at the final stage, right? But this is not so.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 12 September 2020 23: 36
        +3
        ICBMs will also be fired from everything at hand.
        In vain chtoli warheads up to 20 pieces are shoved into the rocket, + blendes, + streamlined shape for yawing in the atmosphere. (wrote)
        And there are amers' air defense systems and nuclear ones.

        According to the data provided on the VO, 20 subsonic missiles are needed to overcome the Kuznetsov air defense system and disable it. Supersonic - 2 times faster - roughly count 10.
        Hypersonic - 2 times more - conditionally 5.

        There is also a squadron, which will also be connected. And aviation, which will shoot down communications, tip-off, and drive off spotters.

        About 4 years ago, they showed exercises on an old Syrian destroyer: it took 2 missiles on a ship standing still.
        1. Alber alber
          Alber alber 13 September 2020 00: 52
          +2
          And now compare the air defense of even the old Kuzi and the warrant, there is a short radius, there is an ultra-long one, and in the middle the air wing should work or not
          1. Aleks2000
            Aleks2000 13 September 2020 07: 14
            +2
            Since not a single modern aircraft carrier was damaged even by the semblance of missiles, it is pointless to discuss further ...

            However, there were fires and explosions on modern ones, and showed that they are quite tenacious ...
            1. Alber alber
              Alber alber 13 September 2020 11: 06
              -1
              Was, it was written above, 23kt, so it is always useful to talk, but tell me about the fires how much this trough was restored? Well, you can also remember about the surfacing of our boat right inside the order, this does not mean anything to you.
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/ria.ru/amp/20200131/1563794372.html , вот и ссылочка с подробностями, можно ещё на эту тему пообщаться, но вы то явно настроены на то, что авик неубиннная корова, ну и оставайтесь с этой нелерым убеждением
              1. Aleks2000
                Aleks2000 13 September 2020 22: 38
                0
                Something did not find anything "above" about hitting a modern aircraft carrier with missiles.
                Only as on old kernels-loaf were tested.

                There are always exceptions, that's why they are exceptions.
                "Kitty Hawk, traveling with its navigation lights off and a speed of about 30 kilometers per hour, collided with a nuclear-powered ship." 84 years old.
                And so ours hunt them, theirs on ours, an ordinary living international life, as they say.
                1. Alber alber
                  Alber alber 14 September 2020 21: 46
                  0
                  It's not about knocking out, it's a bag, you need to get off, that you live well from the USA, it's about the consequences of explosions from a certain warhead, one trough sank, the second could not be restored. And this is only 23kTn, and if at least 10mTn, but at least one, this is the end of the warrant as a combat unit
                  1. Aleks2000
                    Aleks2000 14 September 2020 21: 50
                    0
                    What?
                    In the Second World War we do not believe, for a long time and a real war.
                    Modern? I have not met about the drowned.
                    1. Alber alber
                      Alber alber 14 September 2020 22: 19
                      0
                      You read above about the tests of Yao by the Americans over their aircraft carriers and ships of higher ranks. The bomb is only 23kTn, this is TNW by our standards, you hope you remember what happened to Nagasaki, and there was an explosion of about 21kTn, completely demolished 110kv.km and dozens of squares of the city were damaged, 60-80 thousand people died. and this is an explosion on the surface, almost in the middle of the city, one part of which was covered by a local mountain in the middle, and what will happen if the megaton class is in the air, in a clear sea without relief shelters?
                      1. Aleks2000
                        Aleks2000 16 September 2020 00: 05
                        0
                        You don't have to hit the aircraft carrier with a nuclear loaf. I.e:
                        This is not the topic of the article.
                        This is not a topic for discussion.
                      2. Alber alber
                        Alber alber 16 September 2020 21: 50
                        0
                        The topic of the article is the number of daggers or other similar missiles, sufficient to disable the warrant, in case of setting such a task, causing unacceptable damage to aug, no one will stand on ceremony for conventionality
                      3. Aleks2000
                        Aleks2000 17 September 2020 19: 59
                        0
                        In principle, right.
                        All differ only in the number of missiles and in the accuracy of the wording.
                      4. Alber alber
                        Alber alber 18 September 2020 23: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Alex2000
                        You don't have to hit the aircraft carrier with a nuclear loaf. I.e:
                        This is not the topic of the article.
                        This is not a topic for discussion.

                        And above you presented a different topic ...
                        I will not vouch for your wording, but the number of missiles from yabchs is small, there is practically nothing to intercept the Dagger, and the power is more than sufficient.
                      5. Aleks2000
                        Aleks2000 19 September 2020 09: 50
                        -1
                        So you started talking about YABCH.
                        In the article about the nuclear warhead, not a word, and the warhead is clearly the usual one.
                      6. Alber alber
                        Alber alber 21 September 2020 20: 08
                        0
                        The article raises the question of how many Daggers are needed to destroy an aircraft carrier, the fact that the Dagger, like many of our missiles, is a nuclear warhead carrier (which is not interesting to anyone, here you better just talk about diplomatic negotiations), you are sure of the course, therefore it is not clear why in an obvious situation you start to slide, it is not interesting ...
                      7. Aleks2000
                        Aleks2000 21 September 2020 20: 36
                        0
                        Oh, you got confused in words.
                        To put it simply - Yabch alone is enough, not even to hit, but to fly.

                        According to the title - Not yabch - perhaps one, since it is already "on hit" (although it was not tested on aircraft carriers in real life, it may not be so, the builders are not fools)

                        According to the article - not yabch attacks from afar - the possibility of interception is significant, IMHO.
                        All these "there is no way to intercept" is an obvious lie. Rab, Disguise, explosions in the oncoming lane, clouds of debris - everything will go into action.
                        Classics: "if you want to live, you will not be so rattled"
                      8. Alber alber
                        Alber alber 21 September 2020 20: 45
                        0
                        I somehow do not consider your confusion along with your amateur houses to the article as something documented.
                        Once again, nuclear weapons were tested on aircraft carriers in real life, albeit in exercises, the consequences are quite real, and the power in TNT is ridiculous, but it was enough to disable ships without the ability to conduct hostilities. There is no doubt that even in your reality, the results will be either the same, minimum, or much more severe. I don't see any more reasonable counter-arguments.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 14 September 2020 11: 40
    +1
    Quote: Alex2000
    for the calculated overcoming of Kuznetsov's air defense and incapacitation, 20 subsonic missiles are needed. FROM


    Let's count. If the attack is from one side, then the cruiser has 13 firing channels on board. Which means that 13 targets can be fired on at the same time ... With normal crew training, you can have more time to shoot. Well, electronic warfare again.
    1. Aleks2000
      Aleks2000 14 September 2020 21: 51
      0
      What I read here on VO, then I give out. Allegedly real calculations about air defense and missiles.
  • Nikita Vinogradov
    Nikita Vinogradov 18 September 2020 15: 10
    +1
    The course of your logic is interesting, but not more ... There is no linearity declared by you - 20 subsonic according to Kuza, which means 10 supersonic according to it, which means 5 hypersonic ... Everything is too "conditional". Even lonely Kuzya, even with 20 tardigrades fired at the same time, has a 4-channel Dagger + 8 1-channel daggers + 8 six-barreled cannons out of 20 subsonic ones - this means 1 target for each of 20 target simultaneous channels out of 20. But this is a very free case! The high-speed missiles hit the tardigrade on the far border and the Daggers will have time to work out at least 4 more targets while the remaining 12 out of 20 enter the coverage area of ​​8 Kortik channels together with 4 channels of the same Dagger. that is, 1 target on 1 channel. Range 8 km Time of arrival of anti-ship missiles - more than 30 seconds. Let's say the reaction time of the air defense missile system is minus 8 seconds, the anti-ship missile system flew 2 km, after another 6 seconds the anti-ship missile system will pass 1,5 km, and the Kortika and Dagger missiles during this time 4,8 km, that is, they will hit all 12 targets or if they miss, the remaining 4 anti-ship missiles in 8 seconds will go 2 km to a distance of 2,5 km to Kuzi and in another 4 seconds they will go another 1 km, where the Kortik missile defense system will be finished off, together with 6 6 barreled anti-aircraft guns. If 4-6 missiles break into the near zone of 2-3 m, then 20 free target channels of the Dagger, Kortik and AK-630M will already meet them. Guidance of missiles and artillery - teleoptical and radar. But hypersound hypersound strife ....: max and 12 max are different hypersound. Therefore, the Dagger for Mach 10-12 is SOMETHING!
  • Escobar
    Escobar 12 September 2020 20: 14
    -4
    Well, yes, no matter how hypersonic it is, the interceptor missile flies to the meeting, and does not chase after it.
    1. Alber alber
      Alber alber 13 September 2020 00: 58
      +1
      And what follows from this? The interceptor missile has one chance of intercepting the dagger, since the meeting point can be calculated with a ballistic missile, and not with a maneuvering one
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 13 September 2020 09: 40
        -3
        Okay, one missile, one chance, fig with him 1% interception chance. But who said that one interceptor missile would be fired at it? How many missiles can one Aegis destroyer fire at one target? And if there are 5-6 such destroyers in the AUG? All the same, for the confident incapacitation of an aircraft carrier, I suppose a volley of several missiles is needed, and even then, whether there will be an explosion of a nuclear reactor, which will bury the entire AUG.
        1. Alber alber
          Alber alber 13 September 2020 11: 15
          0
          Well, first of all, of course, they will not be hammering with one rocket, interception in percentage on the dagger bius aegis tends to 0, this is a feature of high-altitude interception of this system, it is sharpened to intercept MBR at known points of the trajectory, to shoot down a missile with quasi-ballistics at such a speed, especially when diving I I can't even imagine what. You know, once they showed a farmer from Oklahoma, and he showed a steel plate a couple of centimeters long, a straw was sticking out of this plate on both sides, that is, I pierced the plate through and through, all this was after a very strong hurricane, here is an example for you.
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 13 September 2020 22: 02
        -2
        Quote: Alber Alber
        And what follows from this? The interceptor missile has one chance of intercepting the dagger, since the meeting point can be calculated with a ballistic missile, and not with a maneuvering one


        Again...
        What do you consider as maneuvers for an aeroballistic rocket flying at a speed of 3-4-5-7-10M ???

        Dances like Cobra Pugachev? Or does the rocket make a barrel?

        And when does the rocket start to maneuver?

        On marching mode?
        Is she flying dancing chtoli?
        All your way?


        Have you even wondered what overloads on the rocket body at such a speed just at a 5 degree angle of change of course ...
        1. Alber alber
          Alber alber 14 September 2020 21: 11
          +1
          "Maneuvers throughout the entire trajectory, while being reliably controlled" - the RF Ministry of Defense. And what do you think is maneuvering and ballistic flight, ie you really think that the SM-3 Block IA / IB missile, sharpened for kinetic interception of a target in a known point of the trajectory will intercept a high-speed, maneuvering target, even if its maneuver is not a "Pugachev's cobra", but a simple pitch? If you do not understand what is not real, then what are we talking about, what are the fields of fragments ???
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 12 September 2020 21: 40
    +4
    Quote: Alex2000
    Indeed, some kind of crap. From country anonymous experts.

    "According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Dagger hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land, but also at sea."


    You said correctly.
    I just know the logic of such representatives of the press services ...
    Two highly paid press releases are sitting.
    And they think what next "no analogue in the world" to come up with ...
    After all, if you come up with something, they will immediately praise you, and they will invite you to the next presentations and feed and drink well there ...
    Here they sit and think.

    First: "Well, the offshore drilling platform - will it hit?"
    Second: "Of course. It is stationary - of course it will amaze!"
    First: "Platform at sea?"
    Second: "At sea!"
    The first one: "The goal means the sea?"
    Second: "So the sea!"
    The first one: "We all write the headlines. It also hits naval targets, not a single aircraft carrier will hide and will be destroyed!" ...

    If you think that this is mockery, believe me - this is the reality of coming up with news from the military-industrial complex ...
  • Alber alber
    Alber alber 13 September 2020 00: 48
    0
    You have not tried to stop a bullet, other bullets or shrapnel, and the bullet speed is several times lower, for accuracy The Dagger is a quasi-ballistic rocket, a twin of the Iskander rocket, which means that maneuvering can and guessing along the trajectory will also fail, especially when diving and from yabch to board, this will no longer make sense, it's too late
    1. Aleks2000
      Aleks2000 13 September 2020 07: 21
      +1
      Yabch is a special case, you don't need to get there at all.
      For maneuvering and diving usual: 1) Rab will in every possible way interfere and aim and hit.
      2) maneuvers have limitations, and the task is clear - cover with a cloud of debris. And not just one.
      And the rocket will be visible from afar ... Modern air defense systems do not fire alone, everyone will try to block it ...
      1. Alber alber
        Alber alber 13 September 2020 20: 43
        0
        At this speed, do not cover with a cloud, not several, when diving and inertial aiming, the dagger and the rab will not crush, the only option is some kind of viscous, thick, durable compensating cover at the same time, again on the principle of a bullet and cotton wool. And that's not a fact. You can remember the explosions of famous comets, meteorites, both on the surface and above it, I was in the crater of a stone meteorite, the weight in the collision is about 1,5 tons, the diameter is about 40-70 m, the funnel is elongated, because flew on ballistics, smashed the top of the mountain, then an impact and a long slide / rolling, the depth was also 25m, plus it was still buried a few meters into solid rock, a meteorite without traces of iron, so they could not determine. And this is a stone, but what if it is ferrous?
        1. Aleks2000
          Aleks2000 13 September 2020 23: 02
          +1
          Meteora separately. Let the physicists count there.
          But really:
          1) We must fly. And this is not stealth, the missile will be visible to everyone and its final point of impact is known.
          hollow will be in the way with all that is.
          By the way, modern rockets do just that - they are blown up by a cloud of debris upon approach. And not even one at a time.

          2) It is necessary to get there - despite the electronic warfare, radio-reflective smoke, etc. Since they wrote that it is guided from an airplane 1000 km from the squadron. Remind where the Syrians got with their missile with the electronic warfare of the Israeli F16?

          3) Well, I got it - how lucky you are. In case of fires, the bombs were already exploding at the top - it was not fatal.
          If it exploded successfully inside - then yes. However, the latest incidents are 80 years ago, WW2.
          1. Alber alber
            Alber alber 14 September 2020 21: 30
            +1
            Physics, it is physics, there is no adding or subtracting. The guys from the United States are focusing on the SM-3 Block IA / IB, and this is a kinetic interceptor on a ballistic trajectory! Trajectory dear. The carrier will raise the rocket and only a moment on the carrier, separation from it and a certain time of gaining speed is the vulnerability of the dagger, although if 31 by 40 km above the territory of the Russian Federation rises, then there are questions. The end point can only be known in the case of a ballistic trajectory, the dagger and its twins from Iskander cannot be calculated that way. The dagger does not need to make a bull's-eye, a high-altitude explosion is enough for it, and when diving 12m, it cannot be stopped, nevertheless, try to compare this with meteorites, the burst of even a small comet made of ice and stone at a height. There are a number of vulnerabilities that I described, but there are fewer of them than in the frightening NATO Iskander complex with the 9M723 missile, in which stealth technologies are used, read, you will learn a lot of interesting things.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 12 September 2020 18: 38
    +5
    You can try to direct an asteroid to the aircraft carrier, where the speeds are suitable. laughing lol lol
  • pleschakovai
    pleschakovai 12 September 2020 19: 07
    -1
    What will happen, you do not know ??? Kirdyk will happen, however !!!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 September 2020 19: 14
    +2
    Ehh, until the moment in which one Dagger is already dangerous for the entire AUG was interesting to read)
    1. Alber alber
      Alber alber 13 September 2020 01: 00
      -1
      If yabch, then absolutely sure, and together with the Avik reactors, the notable radioactive garbage dump will come out
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 12 September 2020 19: 44
    0
    There were always crowds of aircraft carriers in the Black and Baltic Seas (possibly the Barents). Which simply did not let you breathe ...
  • Escobar
    Escobar 12 September 2020 20: 10
    +1
    An article in the style of REN-TV, the program "military secret" - we have the most unparalleled wunderwaffle in which we will defeat all in one fell swoop!
  • Galleon
    Galleon 12 September 2020 20: 47
    +6
    It becomes boring from such expert assessments. No one ever thought that this type of ships should be hit in the wheelhouse, because in an amicable way all command posts are duplicated. To deprive the ship of communications and radar? Well, the deck remains level, without a roll, its mechanisms are working - take off and perform BZ! Okay, something else is surprising: Why should the cooling pipes of some reactor loop be above the waterline at all? The aircraft carrier is designed according to the basic idea of ​​maximum survivability: so that it has aviation fuel tanks, ammunition cellars for the aircraft wing ... - everything is below the waterline. The same "Ford" has a draft of 12m !! Here, the very idea of ​​a horizontal entry into the side is wrong. It is necessary to fly in from the zenith to the most nadir, hitting such a target along a vertical trajectory is much more fun.
    1. businessv
      businessv 12 September 2020 20: 56
      +1
      Quote: Galleon
      It is necessary to fly in from the zenith into the most nadir, hitting such a target along a vertical trajectory is much more fun
      The experts, you see, had this in mind, but did not voice it! laughing
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 12 September 2020 20: 59
        +2
        Quote: businessv
        The experts, you see, had this in mind, but did not voice it!

        About how! belay Intricate. And I thought that they decided to hit the side of the deck and look for pipes under it, as in the explanatory photo.
        1. businessv
          businessv 12 September 2020 21: 02
          +1
          Quote: Galleon
          Oh how! Intricate.
          It was ironic, colleague. This article is not for an amateur, without the details that are typical of experts. No launch trajectories, no angle of attack and other attributes, so there is nothing special to discuss here, in my opinion.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 12 September 2020 21: 04
            +1
            Quote: businessv
            It was ironic, colleague.

            Yes, I understand))) I'm sitting now in an article about the mausoleum, trying to understand the general squabble. Bad business)). Good evening, Vadim! hi
            1. businessv
              businessv 12 September 2020 22: 08
              +1
              Quote: Galleon
              Good evening, Vadim!

              Yes, Andrey, and to you! I also posted a little there, but only in the form of support for our weak half! smile
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 12 September 2020 22: 34
      0
      No difference. The same Granite penetrated 12-15 meters into the depth of the structure.
    3. Alber alber
      Alber alber 13 September 2020 01: 06
      0
      I agree, but you can also make an air yau or stuff it with tungsten shrapnel, and detonate it at the right height so that the kinetics and scatter finish their job, sobsno they wrote about the dagger, after separating from the carrier, it goes in the horizon, maneuvers, and then gains altitude and from there dives at the target with a set of max speed
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 15 September 2020 07: 12
        0
        And then, logically, it slows down and aims at the target. About the fact that he needs to slow down for guidance, the authors of cartoons are modestly silent, And that maneuvering at such speeds is very limited, they also try not to spread.
        1. Alber alber
          Alber alber 16 September 2020 21: 26
          0
          If this is an air nuclear power plant, then there is no need to slow down, the comrade described it very well below.
    4. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 13 September 2020 08: 26
      -1
      Quote: Galleon
      It is necessary to fly in from the zenith to the most nadir, hitting such a target along a vertical trajectory is much more fun.


      those. Movie Transformers - shows the correct direction of the attack on the aircraft carrier?
      The Americans did not take into account such a development of events in their cinema ...

      :)
  • businessv
    businessv 12 September 2020 20: 54
    0
    This fact suggests that a single missile strike of the Dagger hypersonic complex may be enough to completely destroy not only the lead aircraft carrier AUG, but also all the aircraft carrier strike group.
    For persuasiveness and determination to the striped crews of all aircraft-carrying cruisers, they could have been honored with impressive, believable computer graphics!
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 12 September 2020 21: 27
    -7
    Brad, drunken kremlebot with his dreams of a prodigy
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 12 September 2020 21: 39
    -1
    It will be difficult to hit the reactor with hypersonic sound. 1 The dagger will damage and permanently disable the aircraft carrier. To sink, you need 3-4 even such heavy missiles as the Dagger. Well, either a thermonuclear warhead
  • zenion
    zenion 12 September 2020 22: 13
    0
    Awesome 2500 thousand aircraft wing. Where will the 2 million be there?
  • Kobris
    Kobris 12 September 2020 22: 18
    +4
    Forrestal in 1967 and the Enterprise in 1969 had one Zuni missile each. Both episodes culminated in massive fires on the flight deck. With explosions of ammunition and fuel tanks ready for takeoff. Yes, the aircraft carriers returned to their bases on their own. But the ships could no longer perform their basic functions. Not to mention the burned out or thrown overboard planes. The Forrestal took about ten months to complete. The Enterprise was under repair for three months.
    Of course, Forrestal is not George W. Bush, but Zuni is far from Dagger. Of course, one could say that the aircraft carriers were simply out of luck. True, this luck largely depended on the training and coherence of the crews. And also from their combat experience. The above components were just not enough. Draw conclusions ...
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 12 September 2020 23: 37
    -2
    The author of the article forgot to add the number of aircraft that took off from the deck and did not reach the nearest airfield. So the calculations would look more accurate.
  • Alber alber
    Alber alber 13 September 2020 00: 23
    0
    The sofa is not a sofa, but if you still imagine the explosion of a vertically diving Dagger, not even a version of the apple or the usual head part, but, say, with a head stuffed with tungsten balls, well, or depleted uranium, but just good steel, all this shrapnel lies in a funnel of the required diameter and explodes on the order at the most effective height to create a dense field of flying more than 12m with huge kinetics, but there it seems from the avik and the nearest vessels there will be little that is suitable for use for their intended purpose, mostly drifting and slowly leaving vessels.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 15 September 2020 07: 56
      0
      Here's the problem with you .. Kindal is a solid propellant aeroballistic rocket. And 12m has trajectories at the maximum, the engine does not work for long, the rest of the path is by inertia.
      1. Alber alber
        Alber alber 16 September 2020 21: 32
        0
        And what's the problem with you, 12m is just the maximum, which by inertia, but even such inertia for a rocket flying in quasi-ballistic, still needs to be typed, the Yankee does not work
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 17 September 2020 05: 49
          -2
          What does the Yankees have to do with it? Take an interest in the speeds of their BRS (M) D - about 10m.
          You mean that they do not have aeroballistic missiles in service? They were earlier, then removed. Different concepts and priorities.
          Iskander-M dives at the terminal stage at a speed of about 3M, which allows it to detect a target (optical seeker) and correct the course. The dagger is his air launch variant. To hit the target, 500kg warheads are used, not "kinetics".
          1. Alber alber
            Alber alber 18 September 2020 22: 42
            0
            Examples of US aerobalistic rockets are at least 5,5mach, respectively, since aerobalistics, it means that you need to manage somehow, you can't direct it in advance. Well, about the concepts and priorities because of which it was worth giving up the weapons that they are trying to create now.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 19 September 2020 08: 18
              0
              They focused on CD.
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAM-63_RASCAL
              Just 5-5,5M, not bad for the late 50s.
              The point is different. You can remodel the BRMD for an air launch.
              1. Alber alber
                Alber alber 21 September 2020 19: 55
                0
                Just about 5,5 max, there is no word, 3 max when diving!, A fun attempt to create an initially unusable cr, are there any serious examples?
          2. Alber alber
            Alber alber 21 September 2020 20: 01
            0
            1max is 340m / s, calculate the dive speed Iskander - M, I believe in you
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 21 September 2020 23: 57
              0
              Lower your self-importance smile negative
              At the same time, he added that the rocket maneuvers both in height and direction. Its speed when approaching the target is at least 700-800 meters per second.
              Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/iskander_01/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko

              For some reason, not 6 or 12M. Probably because of the atmosphere .. wink
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 13 September 2020 00: 39
    +1
    Boldly. Damn brave. In an ideal situation.
  • Glad
    Glad 13 September 2020 00: 44
    +2
    Quote: EMMM
    I believe that a cast-iron blank weighing 300 kg at a speed of 7M from an angle of 60 degrees and a pitch of 25-30 degrees, when the side is pierced in the midsection area, will break the structure in half. The laws of physics.

    I would very much like to, but alas, it will not break.
    Why?
    So after all, the "laws of physics" ... Something could have happened, in the sense of breaking, if the adversary aircraft carrier itself would have been a monolithic blank, which does not correspond to the objective reality that exists outside of us and independently of us.
    By the way, has it ever occurred to you why gunpowder is poured into the shells and cartridges, and not, for example, gasoline? After all, gasoline emits about 12 times more heat than gunpowder. The Creator himself ordered to replace gunpowder with gasoline and defeat all adversaries one or two.
    Or is there a catch? Yeah. There is a catch. And what is it? And the fact is that 1 liter of a mixture of gasoline and air during combustion "gives out to the mountain" 50 times less gases (in volume) than one liter of gunpowder. The laws of physics ...
    With the "cast-iron" blank the same garbage - there is a catch. I am afraid that after breaking through the side or deck armor, the blank (at a speed of 7M from any angle) will simply disintegrate into small-small fragments, which will successfully get stuck in bulkheads and equipment (and in the carcasses of adversary Moremans) a little in depth, but not very far from the aircraft carrier. Yes, I don’t argue, "hole", I beg your pardon, the hole from the blank in the armor will greatly exceed the diameter of the blank itself. But, and only ... The laws of physics, you know ...
    So, it is not for nothing that the designers of the anti-ship missile warheads fill these same warheads with explosives, regardless of the missile speed, and do not make them "cast-iron" ... Such things ...
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 13 September 2020 01: 46
      0
      you do not take into account the flight speed of the blank. A meteorite, for example, is also a "blank", sometimes of stone, sometimes of nickel or iron. And if you look at some of the craters, you can imagine what a pig with a significant mass can do when it hits at a certain speed. Of course, both the speed and mass in your example are much less than the cosmic ones, but the kinetic energy will be large, and with a mass of 500 kg and a speed of 7 M, warheads will not be needed at all. The whole problem is that the Dagger is a modified missile from the Iskander complex. this rocket is aeroballistic. accordingly, the speed of Mach 7 will have at the top point of the flight trajectory after which it falls on the target
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 15 September 2020 07: 20
        0
        A meteorite on the ground and a rocket on a ship are completely different things. Even a subsonic anti-ship missile without a warhead simply pierces the ship through and through. If you're lucky, fires start, usually from a running PKR engine. The same will happen when a supersonic object hits the ship. The ship is almost certainly incapacitated, but not the AUG.
    2. Alber alber
      Alber alber 16 September 2020 21: 37
      0
      A bullet on the battlefield with the same core could only be stopped with a very viscous compensating material, also a family here, only the "bullet" is huge and the filling can be any, physics, it is physics from all sides
  • Klingon
    Klingon 13 September 2020 01: 09
    0
    Quote: businessv
    Quote: EMMM
    The laws of physics.

    With such speed and weight, the released kinetic energy of such an impact cannot even be imagined!

    at such speed and MASS! you are confusing weight and mass! this is fundamental in physics. because weight is the vector quantity with which the body stretches the suspension or presses on the support. Mass is a scalar quantity. That is why here, strangely enough, the formula T = (mx V ^ 2) ÷ 2
    here T is the received kinetic energy, m is the mass, and V is the velocity
  • Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 13 September 2020 01: 10
    +2
    According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land, but also at sea

    UAC, USC, Gazprom, Rosneft and other structures - these are the missiles that hit and tear our state apart from the inside ...
    For example, DOM RF. They just wrote out the awards:
    Payments of remuneration to key executives of the state-owned company "Dom.rf" and its subsidiaries in the first half of 2018 compared to the same period last year increased by 53% - to 1,389 billion rubles, according to the statements of the state company.



    What will happen to the US Navy aircraft carrier?
    How interesting! Especially when it is questioned from the KLA
    1. Charik
      Charik 13 September 2020 12: 02
      0
      Then the answer should be this - the aircraft carrier with its group will need more fuel, because running away from the Dagger at the maximum they will increase the consumption, hence it follows that it is worth increasing the volume of fuel purchased from the Russian Federation of oil and gas, then at the end of last year, only 150 thousand tons were taken -You need to take more 300 thousand per month
  • Krilion
    Krilion 13 September 2020 03: 53
    +1
    no one will attack an aircraft carrier with a missile with a conventional warhead - this is practically useless and ineffective, no matter what they simulate .. only with a nuclear warhead ... moreover, if it comes to attacking aircraft carriers, then there will be a full-scale nuclear conflict with the use of the entire nomenclature of nuclear weapons ... the issue of individual aircraft carriers will no longer be relevant ..
  • Paramon Pictures
    Paramon Pictures 13 September 2020 05: 47
    -1
    As if banged so as not to splash in the oceans
  • Bershet
    Bershet 13 September 2020 06: 20
    0
    well, let's bang
  • DominickS
    DominickS 13 September 2020 06: 25
    +1
    A spherical horse in a vacuum of some kind. To begin with, you need to approach the launch range, which will be problematic, because the avik will be grazed by its own air wing and escort, which can easily intercept the missile carriers.
    1. SVD68
      SVD68 13 September 2020 18: 14
      0
      For some reason, it was initially assumed that aircraft from aircraft carriers can shoot down everything, but no one can.
      And let's write: the aircraft carrier's wing will be shot down by fighters covering the dagger carriers, and the escort ships will receive their own dagger.
  • U-58
    U-58 13 September 2020 06: 35
    +1
    If a vertical blow is expected, then at a speed of 12 M it can pierce through the ship. In this case, the warhead can be an ordinary blank from the victor.
    But since the aircraft carrier itself never goes, but as part of a group guarding it, the strike will most likely be nuclear and, most likely, air, to cover everyone at once.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 15 September 2020 07: 53
      +1
      Consequently, a war with the use of nuclear weapons began? Including, against the airfields from where the Mi-31 are launched?
      1. U-58
        U-58 15 September 2020 08: 27
        0
        If we proceed from the fact of our strike on the aircraft carrier, then the war has begun. The enemy aircraft carrier is a strategic target, because its main task is to cover and defend the nuclear submarine.
        Consequently, a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction began.
        With the defeat of nuclear weapons. Drowning, and the airfields of the carrier "Daggers" MiG-31 ...
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 15 September 2020 08: 35
          0
          IMHO, hopes for a wunderwaffe are not constructive. Another thing is to increase the number of Calibers in the RCC variant. They have a lot of speakers.
          1. U-58
            U-58 15 September 2020 15: 23
            0
            And what, in fact, is so dear to you Caliber. This weapon has its own niche and this is indisputable.
            But this is still a limited niche.
            Not a panacea. There are tasks that Caliber cannot solve with words at all.
            In particular, it is rather ineffective to hit the aircraft carrier with Calibers.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 15 September 2020 17: 55
              0
              Not a panacea.

              So it does not exist in principle.
              Nor is the Dagger. The carriers will see long before the attack (E-2), they will be destroyed. The missiles will be fired on for most of the flight, for the SM-6 (of which many have already been received) the possibility of intercepting ballistic missiles in the final phase has been declared.
              The caliber is good for the variety of carriers (how many converted MiG-31s?). And it is quite effective. Flies at low altitude for long range.
              Plaque stars always work. Yes, it is not easy to organize. Learn to learn smile
              1. U-58
                U-58 15 September 2020 20: 20
                0
                The MiG-31 is a carrier of Daggers, not Calibers, and in this form is a system for the operational destruction of the most urgent targets in the operational-tactical depth, including in the oceanic zone.
                Nuclear caliber is a system for the second and subsequent strikes against troops and infrastructure during protracted actions in conditions of weakened enemy air defense.
                Personally, I see it that way, although, of course, not the best in combat planning.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 15 September 2020 23: 04
                  0
                  how many converted MiG-31s?)

                  It was a hairpin in relation to the "Dagger".
                  Caliber has many more conventional carrier options.
  • SVD68
    SVD68 13 September 2020 06: 40
    +1
    I remember the death of the battleship Roma. The dagger may have a lower mass than the Fritz-X, but an order of magnitude greater speed. So, depending on the point of impact, it will either disable the aircraft carrier or destroy it.
    The explosion of the reactor is possible like Chernobyl or Fukushima. Those. there is a possibility that it could cover other AUG ships with radioactive materials. Or maybe just melt the bottom of an aircraft carrier and drown in the ocean.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 13 September 2020 07: 51
      -1
      As a rule, "Fritz" pierced the ship through and exploded only in the water below it. (C) This is from the official records
      1. SVD68
        SVD68 13 September 2020 08: 25
        0
        The case with Roma is indicative of the fact that the first hit shows the consequences of a through penetration, and the second - an internal explosion of high power next to the dangerous parts of the ship.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 15 September 2020 18: 03
      0
      Let me remind you that in the end they found Fritz's weak point - the shelling of the operator plane.
      A high-altitude noticeable target can be seen from afar. For the S-400, an interception speed of 4800 m / s and a ballistic missile interception range of 60 km are declared.
      For SM-6 - the ability to intercept a ballistic missile (did not find the speed and range).
      It is more important to see the target, and the means of destruction are there, or they will be created quickly. As it was once considered invulnerable superhigh or supersonic bombers.
  • max702
    max702 13 September 2020 09: 27
    +1
    In the ocean of sracha, the most important thought apparently drowned, namely, did they solve the issue of target designation and the work of the AGSN in the final section? Everything else is no longer important .. Whether there is a special warhead or not, it does not matter, with such percussion hr-kah, if it gets into any boat, it will get bad for anyone .. Can it get into an actively maneuvering target is the main question!
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 14 September 2020 09: 38
      0
      At a speed of 12 mach (3900 m / s), the aircraft carrier will look like a stationary target, even with a conventional homing system, all the more so the otic channel with the silhouette recognition function is now shoved wherever the internal volume allows.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 15 September 2020 07: 26
        -1
        At this speed, the aircraft carrier will not look at all. There are still no means of aiming at this speed. In order for a rocket to target an aircraft carrier, you need to slow down the rocket at least twice.
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 15 September 2020 12: 28
          0
          You have lagged behind life by about 20 years. Previously, everything depended on the size and price of the guidance unit. In the mid-80s, only on the price, and therefore these devices were installed only on ICBM nuclear units. What do you think, why the circular deviation of the blocks has sharply decreased ( some 15 years) from 800-1200 meters (in 1970) to 80-100 meters (in 1985)? Since the late 90s, the standard of accuracy is considered to be in a square of 10 by 10 meters. The combat unit, not the newest, flies at a speed of 4,1 , 4,3-60 km / s. This is, as it were, at the moment, beyond any hypersonic ammunition. There are ways to aim. And the aiming methods themselves are more than XNUMX.
          1. max702
            max702 22 September 2020 08: 24
            0
            So I'm talking about a moving target, and not about a stationary point with known coordinates .. It’s not a problem to get into it, but the same aircraft carrier which is not only moving forward but also not predictably to the side is a big question! And this is the most difficult thing in hypersound ... The plasma cocoon around the striking part blocks both radio waves and does not allow the use of optical guidance devices ... If this problem is solved then the fleet oh ...
            1. shinobi
              shinobi 22 September 2020 19: 08
              0
              There are as many methods of shooting at moving targets as there are artillery in general and naval artillery in particular. Or do you still think that hitting an airplane with an anti-aircraft missile is easier than hitting a ship from an airplane?
              1. max702
                max702 28 September 2020 11: 00
                0
                By the way, yes, if this issue has been resolved in anti-aircraft missiles, then the will of the local analysts about the impossibility of homing heads on the Dagger is incomprehensible .. The speeds there are similar, the sizes allow .. Then the fleet is just oh ..
                1. shinobi
                  shinobi 29 September 2020 02: 05
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                  So they are the same "Analytics"! The exact knowledge and analysis of the analysis of the sofa strategist from the media are different things and do not intersect with each other. Although it is enough to raise the archive footage of the results of anti-ship missiles firing at decommissioned cruisers to understand how a direct hit with a dagger into an aircraft carrier will end.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 15 September 2020 07: 51
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        It will fly up to AB at a speed of 3M, no more.
        In 1s, it will shift by 15m.
        And what do you call a "normal GOS"? GPS guidance? smile
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 15 September 2020 11: 42
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          By the reflected signal, it works and the thermal signature. Simple as scrap.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 15 September 2020 12: 28
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            Ie PARL GOS? Who will irradiate AB?
            According to the thermal signature .. Question: when the fairing is heated to 500+ degrees (this is when flying by 2,5-3 M), how to “catch” a much colder and more distant AB?
            In addition, such a missile (large, slower) is very vulnerable to air defense systems. The radars of which are located on the EM, located to the side (the attack "from above" on the AB will not be in their blind zone).
            1. shinobi
              shinobi 15 September 2020 12: 36
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              This is not for me, I do not know the details. The fairings on conventional anti-ship missiles with a cruising speed of Mach 250 heats up to 300-2,5 degrees. Somehow, our gloomy geniuses solved this issue.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 15 September 2020 14: 55
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                The fairings on conventional anti-ship missiles with a cruising speed of Mach 250 heats up to 300-2,5 degrees

                It is only valid for an altitude of 11-25 km (390 'temperature rise). With a further decrease in dense layers, t increases to 520 '. And it's not in the "braking points" (there are about 810 ')
                Somehow, our gloomy geniuses solved this issue.

                We decided! Using the ARL GOS. Not heat.
              2. 3danimal
                3danimal 15 September 2020 15: 08
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                The Iskander (air launch version of which is the Dagger) uses an optical seeker, providing good accuracy when attacking a stationary target, in cooperation with GPS (Glonass).
              3. 3danimal
                3danimal 15 September 2020 18: 25
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                Here is what I found:
                For example, when investigating the XB-70A aircraft in flights at altitudes of more than 21000 m at a speed of M = 3, the temperature of the leading edges of the air intake and leading edges of the wing was 580-605 K, and the rest of the skin was 470-500 K. The consequences of increasing the temperature of the aircraft structural elements to Such large values ​​can be fully appreciated if we take into account the fact that even at temperatures of about 370 K organic glass softens, which is commonly used for glazing cabins, fuel boils, and ordinary glue loses strength. At 400 K, the strength of duralumin is significantly reduced, at 500 K chemical decomposition of the working fluid in the hydraulic system and destruction of seals occur, at 800 K titanium alloys lose the necessary mechanical properties, at temperatures above 900 K aluminum and magnesium melt, and steel softens

                https://testpilot.ru/review/term.htm
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 September 2020 10: 36
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    That's right .. The points of possible hit are determined correctly and the damage done too.
  • January
    January 13 September 2020 11: 53
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    Very expert opinion. And if a brick - then on the felling. Straight to the captain's head ...
    If it hits, if it destroys, if it detonates, if a reaction starts and if it leads to an explosion, then yes ... If they are very close, the whole AUG is a probable Arctic fox. Unless the experts are wrong, of course.