What Happens to a US Navy Aircraft Carrier When Hit by a Hypersonic Dagger Missile: An Expert Simulation

The world's first hypersonic aviation the missile system is the Russian "Dagger". This is a system based on the Kh-47M2 "Dagger" rocket and the base carrier (at the moment) - the MiG-31, which received the letter "K".

According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land but also at sea. In particular, we are talking about such large ships as aircraft carriers. In this regard, experts are simulating a situation in which aircraft carriers of NATO countries, in the event of anti-Russian military aggression, could be attacked from the air using hypersonic missiles of the Dagger complex.

One of the options under consideration is a hypothetical attack on one of the largest aircraft carriers of our time, the USS George HWBush ("George Bush") of the US Navy. This is an American aircraft-carrying ship with a displacement of 97 thousand tons and a maximum length of 333 meters. Its crew is 3200 people, plus almost 2,5 thousand servicemen of the aviation wing.

So what will happen to an aircraft carrier of this type (such as the Nimitz) if it is attacked by a single Dagger missile?

The simulation itself is reduced to the choice of the point of contact of the complex's hypersonic missile with the aircraft carrier, taking into account the mass of its warhead. It is known from open sources that the mass of the X-47M2 "Dagger" warhead is 500 kg. The maximum flight speed of the rocket on the trajectory is also taken into account. It is about 12 Machs.

The indicators of the Russian hypersonic missile system are such that, even being in the AUG with the cover of the air defense-missile defense system, the American aircraft carrier has no chance of intercepting the Dagger. The characteristics of American naval defense systems against aircraft do not allow countering hypersonic missile arms... In other words, with a hypothetical strike, the target will be hit in any case. How fatal for an aircraft carrier?

Experts believe that striking not at the command room, but at the deck of an aircraft carrier may be the most effective.

Marked places of probable strike

Even if the aircraft carrier can remain afloat for the first time after the impact, the potential of its aircraft wing will be nullified by the damage caused to the deck. In addition, such a strike could lead to the defeat of at least one of the two A4W naval reactors from Westinghouse. The total capacity of these reactors is 1100 MW. A missile with a half-ton warhead, moving at great speed, is capable not only of destroying the coolant circulation loops, but also leading to the explosion of the nuclear reactors themselves during their active work during a combat operation by an aircraft carrier. This fact suggests that a single missile strike of the Dagger hypersonic complex may be enough to completely destroy not only the lead aircraft carrier AUG, but also the entire carrier strike group.

Comments

[KVU-NSVD]

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

[Doccor18]

Another pseudo-crap from

pseudo-experts ..

[Shurik70]

Clarification: NOT NAMED pseudo-experts
But purely in style - most likely Hindu or Chinese

[Lexus]

Which "from their own insolence" in their pants, go, "naprudonili".

[vVvAD]

Well, experts are notorious for overstepping their opinions.
In general, this is a question for the military, who in this situation "smile and wave"

[The leader of the Redskins]

So I have a question:
Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?
Well, what would you understand - is this the level of the sofa or even lower?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So I have a question:
Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?
Well, what would you understand - is this the level of the sofa or even lower?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

So I have a question:
Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?
Well, what would you understand - is this the level of the sofa or even lower?

They are classified.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Do the "experts" have names, titles, positions?

There is. For example - "Sohu"

[Vladimir Mashkov]

To date, many articles have been written and the opinion of a significant number of both widely known and less well-known experts on this issue is known, which coincides with the opinion expressed in this article. To summarize and briefly summarize the above, huge floating mobile airfield cities are a wonderful means of concentrating significant forces in a certain area of ​​the world and forcing countries that do not have strong air defense and similar forces to dictated decisions IN PEACE TIME. In wartime, these huge ships turn into easily destroyed targets with hypersonic missiles.
Therefore, I do not understand the skepticism of critics and and their like-minded people, throwing their likes. It seems that the site is staffed by the American and British General Staffs. If anyone can, please explain this phenomenon.

[Nikita Vinogradov]

It's just that there are hunters for "iksperds" - the same "iksperds" who do not delve into the essence of the article, but immediately criticize - just to blurt out. The bulk of those who read it love it - when they criticize "Xperds" and also without delving into it, they like furiously.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

So what is it? Almost all noble bills? However, ALL researchers of human societies say the same thing. And I agree with them: an indifferently chewing herd is rarely distracted and delves into the essence of what is happening.

[Nehist]

I don’t understand one thing at all !! Why is it not clear what from an excellent interceptor? They tried to do it with 31 bomber, now it is an anti-ship plane ... What is smoking there in the General Staff?

[tlauicol]

Quote: Nehist

I don’t understand one thing at all !! Why is it not clear what from an excellent interceptor? They tried to do it with 31 bomber, now it is an anti-ship plane ... What is smoking there in the General Staff?

This is not for war, this is for the calmness of the layman

[Kapany3]

The freaks from the General Staff probably forgot to ask the SMARTEST ...
DISMISS ALL !!

[Santa Fe]

They tried to do it with 31 bomber, now it is an anti-ship plane ... What is smoking there in the General Staff?

What else to do with it, as the 31st fighter became useless

From a military point of view, it is completely useless, but suitable for internal propaganda

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Santa Fe

What else to do with it, as the 31st fighter became useless

what are you? another megaexperd

[Santa Fe]

If all your arguments are a distortion of Russian words, then it is useless to explain anything

What are the advantages of the 31st over the Su-27/30 / 35-? None, as a fighter it was outdated 20 years ago Therefore, they are constantly trying to come up with other tasks and tell fairy tales to the Russian man in the street about the super interceptor

[Alexandra]

Tell me, what is the maximum range of application of the R-37M URVV from a MiG-31BM aircraft flying at a speed of M = 2,35 and an altitude of 20 m on an E-000C aircraft?

[Santa Fe]

Obviously farther than the Su can at maximum parameters of their flight

The question was not about discussing the horse in a vacuum. Combat aircraft - part of the Air Force system

The difference in the launch range of the airborne missile system from the statosphere, according to you, can compensate:

A) the inability of the 31st to conduct close air combat with peers, under no circumstances
B) smaller combat radius and air patrol time than other fighters 4 and 4+

C) lack of modern avionics, Irbis level or f22 / 35 - how is 31st going to attack targets at 400 km or against the background of the underlying terrain, in a difficult jamming environment?

D) operational difficulties, twice the specific fuel consumption in comparison with the Su-27 - for peacetime, and even more so for a combat situation, a serious drawback

??

[demos1111]

Never mind. This is Ukrainian. With what can he compare the moment of 31k at home? They have nothing, and he also understands that if an order comes to work, then the Ukrainians will not have a president, or a government, or a general staff. There will be completely demoralized Ukrainians, or rather a herd of Ukrainians.
The only thing that warms the soul of the khokhlu is that the bear is still sucking its paw in the den. Spring has not come yet. Early.

[demos1111]

And what, on the site the word "x-o-x-o-l" is automatically replaced by the word Ukrainian?

[Ros 56]

That's right, I have long encountered this and the word hokh ilya. When you write the whole word, they also change it to Ukraine.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Nehist

I don’t understand one thing at all !! Why is it not clear what to do with an excellent interceptor?

and if you think about it? or not given? It is 31 that can accelerate the rocket under the belly to maximum speed and drop it from maximum height. In a shallow glide, this rocket is accelerated to hypersound.

[Santa Fe]

In a shallow glide, this rocket is accelerated to hypersound.

You do not even have a general understanding of the use of aeroballistic missiles, but do not hesitate to scribble comments describing your fantasies

"Gentle dive" is fierce game. Such missiles as a dagger or x-15 immediately turn on the engine after separation from the carrier and go up with a candle. Next is the ballistic parabola

It is 31 that can accelerate the rocket under the belly to maximum speed and drop it from maximum height

For aeroballistic missiles, the characteristics of their carriers are not the most important. And it is clear that the 31st with such a load on the external sling will not set any speed records

[Nikita Vinogradov]

What does it mean "from an excellent interceptor to do it is not clear what"? HIS INTERCEPTOR and made it even more "excellent"! The MiG-31 was an "excellent interceptor" of air targets when I studied it as an air defense officer at a school in 1986 and 15 years after. Its main targets were SR-71, Avaks, B-52, B-1, cruise missiles and the like. Interception required a high speed of the interceptor, high altitude, high target detection range with its radar sight and the launch of an explosive missile. EMNIP in 1986 on the MIG-31 was a sight that detected a target at 160 km and launched the farthest missile at 120 km. Further, some of its unsurpassed properties and qualities remained, but the detection range with modern sights, the range of air-to-air missiles has increased several times, the speed of the interceptor has already lost its former value, and the visibility of the MiG-31 remains very high. Therefore, continuing to use it for its first purpose, they came up with a more effective purpose - INTERCEPT (nevertheless, interception!) Of AUG global naval targets. They were originally converted to Dagger 10 pieces (which is simply awesome, taking into account 1 Dagger - minus 1 aircraft carrier, or even the entire AUG if the YSU is hit) The probability of defeat is about 100%, the probability of evasion is about 0 aircraft carriers or 10 AUG per minus is a very sobering factor for NATO. In total, it was planned to remake the MIG-10BM from the available fleet for the Dagger carriers - up to 31 units. This is enough for ships smaller than an aircraft carrier. With regards to the "interceptors" of air targets, now the era of multifunctional aircraft of the Su-50, 35 type has come, less noticeable, having sights that detect more than 57 km and explosive missiles with a range of up to 500 and 300 km (tests are underway) and are also intended for conducting maneuverable close combat and ground strikes. The MiG-400 is not capable of such a complex and it was given another mission - a direct flight over a long range, acceleration of the Dagger to 31 km / h and more to give it the initial HIGHEST speed and defeat the largest sea targets. The daggers are also going to be hung on the Tu-3000M22M (as many as 3-2 pieces), but it will not even close the Daggers to 3 km / h and sending it to a single target is not always profitable. There will be a choice. So the MiG-3000 will now work for at least another 31-10 years.

[Vdi73]

I absolutely agree with you. Moreover, these ex ... perty in most cases did not even serve in the army, but the experts are the envy of all the armies of the world.

[Volder]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

Try to reasonably refute what you specifically disagree with. This is not to be a pseudo-fucking commentator;)

[Beregovic_1]

There is only one argument, but reducing to zero and delirium all the correspondence below: Are you going to hit like an aeroballistic missile without ARLGSN and target designation for aircraft carriers for 1000 km? Who will highlight the goal? Even if there are coordinates at the time of launch, calculate how long the rocket flies, and how far the AUG will go during this time. Because there is NO active seeker on the "Dagger". Experts ..... If you are going to shoot at an aircraft carrier at the pier - I beg your pardon, in that case everyone is great and everything will work out.

[Cyril G ...]

And who told you that she was not there?

ARGSN began to develop for Iskander in the middle of zero. I somehow saw the marking of this ARGSN

[Beregovic_1]

I will clarify my comment. 1. The head is optical there. No radar. And a lot of spears were broken on the VO due to the operation of the radar homing head in a plasma cocoon at hypersonic speeds. I did not see any clear explanations (except for the option with a decrease in speed to 2m on the last part of the trajectory). Do you have photos of gas-dynamic rudders or fenders on the "Dagger"? Is this missile capable of actively maneuvering in the final section of the trajectory after the target is captured by the seeker? Iskander and Dagger are not cruise missiles, but aeroballistic missiles, that is, they are adapted for firing at a target with constant coordinates. Not seen in any serious source of test results on a moving target. Izvestia and Wikipedia are not serious. If you have sources confirming the opposite, I will gladly join the crowd of hamsters, to the place and not to the place dragging the Dagger, destroying the AUG. Moreover, I will become a urapatriot! 2. The problem of target designation. Are there any proofs confirming the deployment of the Liana and Pion satellite constellations? I did not see. How do we aim the Dagger on AUG for 800 km (the range of carrier-based aircraft)? 3. I see the use of a rocket at the bases of ships, ground infrastructure (for example, in Norway). Sincerely.

[Vladimir Koshevoi]

"And the key to the apartment, where the money is," is it not necessary?

[Beregovic_1]

"We have such devices! But we will not tell you about them ..."

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

Targeting problem.

At this stage, we have a fundamental problem with this ... The development of aviation and space means of long-range reconnaissance, as well as the ZGRLS, as well as the introduction of communication systems analogous to the American Link 16, should be solved ...

1. The head is optical there. No radar. And a lot of spears were broken on the VO due to the operation of the radar homing head in a plasma cocoon at hypersonic speeds.

Actually, that is, here is Iskander's GOS.
MilitaryRasha
- radar correlation seeker - developed by TsNIIAG (Moscow) in the late 1980s on the Volga theme, the rocket is guided by comparing the digital terrain map in the target area and the data from the radar seeker;
- optical correlation GOS 9E436 - developed by TsNIIAG (Moscow), the rocket is guided by the reference target image, similar to the seeker of the 8K14-1F rocket. GOS was first presented at the Eurosatory-2004 exhibition.
GOS weight - 20 kg
Flight mission input time - no more than 5 min
QUO - up to 20 m

- radar active GOS 9B918 - developed and manufactured by NPP "Radar MMS" as of 2009. In 2009, it is planned to serial production of 22 blocks for processing primary information for the 9B918 GOS 9M723-1F missiles in 2010-2011.

This seems to be the desired ARGSN, or its modification.

with a decrease in speed to 2m on the last leg of the trajectory)

Why is everyone trying to make statements without understanding how it is in reality?
I am giving you an example of the RCC speeds at which ARGSN definitely exist and work
X-22 - up to 4.5M
P-100 Mosquito - up to 2.8M
X-31 - up to 3,1M
ASM-3 (Japanese) - more than 3M
or RVV with ARGSN
Phoenix - 5M
R-77 - 4.5M
That is, it is possible with a high degree of probability to assume that in the speed range from 3M to about 5M ARGSN will work exactly

Again, we recall Pershing's ARGS. I don't really know what speed he had during the guidance phase. Hardly less than 1-1.2 km / s ...

[Beregovic_1]

To summarize: INS guidance, adjustments using GLONASS or AWACS aircraft (which will not be allowed to the AUG). There are no confirmed ship tests. You work better than me with sources, but the Dagger did not work on ships from this)

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

There are no confirmed ship tests.

Not. For now, at least, we'll see later. In any case, as an element of MRU according to AUG, such a missile is highly desirable.

[Volder]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

There are no confirmed ship tests. You work better with sources than me, but Dagger didn't work on ships because of this.

What proof do you need? Certified by the signature of the Minister of Defense? The adoption of the missile into service is the best confirmation that it has passed all the tests. Yuri Borisov, back in 2018, officially announced that the Dagger is capable of working on moving surface targets. The tests took place BEFORE Putin's cartoons (March 2018), i.e. in the strictest confidence. Therefore, there were no media reports.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

I think the Yankees would have noted the tests on a moving surface target. It is extremely difficult to hide such tests, and there is no need, let them be afraid. But the Yankees are just silent.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

1. The head is optical there. No radar.

do you see an optical gsn in the photo ??? and where does she see through the fairing

[Alexander Seklitsky]

and he's a shitty commentator without "pseudo"

[tech3030]

A question for you, can you argue the opposite and what the opinion is based on. Is there knowledge in this area? I'm just wondering.

[Keyser soze]

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

We are waiting for the article "What will happen if the Dagger hits the tank?" or "The consequences of the fall of the moon on the Pentagon" ...

[Old Skeptic]

What's the problem? Isn't "Dagger" an anti-ship missile? Isn't it logical to assume the consequences of his combat work?

I did not understand sarcasm.

[Old Skeptic]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

You are claiming that:
1. Will the aircraft carrier easily survive half a ton of Mach 12 explosives?
2. The dagger is unable to hit the aircraft carrier? Or overcome the missile defense of an aircraft carrier group?
3. Will the aircraft carrier be able to continue combat operations after being hit by the Dagger (anywhere)?
4. Does the AUG not even scratch when the Dagger hits the reactor?

What's the crap? Explain.

[Santa Fe]

1. In the lower atmosphere, 12M is only found in "carrots" of SD ballistic missiles

2. There was not a single official report about the Dagger against moving targets

3. The MiG-31 cannot reach the aircraft carrier even in the Norwegian Sea. Not enough fuel
Explore geography

[Volder]

Quote: Santa Fe

There was not a single official message about the Dagger against moving targets

And what of it? The lack of news does not mean that the rocket is not working. On the contrary: if it is put into service, then it has passed all the tests. By the way, in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov made an official statement in 2018:
“This is a class of high-precision weapons that have a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work on both stationary and moving targets. In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the cruiser, destroyer, and frigate class are potential targets for this weapon. "

3. The MiG-31 cannot reach the aircraft carrier even in the Norwegian Sea. Not enough fuel

The flight radius of the MiG-31 and the range of the Dagger will make it possible to sink the aircraft carrier 3000 km from the coast of Russia.

[Santa Fe]

Borisov is not a deputy minister of defense of the USSR. Then they believed the Union without words, everyone knew that this country could have everything

Nowadays, any chatter without specifics is non-binding chatter. Given the "successes" in the production of more traditional weapons

The flight radius of the MiG-31 and the range of the Dagger will make it possible to sink the aircraft carrier 3000 km from the coast of Russia.

Even if this were true, 3000 is too little for the ocean (in real life - no 3000 km)

"Maybe, but who will let him?" - to fly for hours with a multi-ton bandura on a suspension, at subsonic level, at high altitude, in the airspace of NATO countries? (Norway, Turkey ...) such tricks were not rolled even during WWII, when there were problems with detection

[Essex62]

How so? B-29 flew at very long ranges, very loaded, ours bombed Berlin in 41st, flying over the field.

[Santa Fe]

B-29 bombed Japan in the absence of any organized opposition. The plane of the future, a generation ahead

Ours and Lancasters bombed exclusively at night, when the risk of detection was minimized

Daytime raid of fortresses without fighter escort led to pogrom (Schweinfurt and Regensburg), after only accompanied by hundreds of fighters

[Essex62]

You argue against the very fact, such a possibility. This means that with the right tactics, taking into account the opposition, it is possible.
Those same daytime raids B-17 and B-24, with fighter cover, devastated German cities and industrial areas.

[Santa Fe]

A breakthrough by the MPA over Europe in the current circumstances is obvious suicide. Like a fortress raid on Regensburg

For the B-17, a cover was organized, quantitatively and qualitatively superior to the Luftwaffe

[Sergey Sfiedu]

3000km? It looks like fairy tales. The range of the MiG-31 with supersonic output from open sources is 700 km. Iskander's range is 500 km, the Dagger is perhaps a little more, but 3000 doesn't work. And who will give target designation for 3000 km?

[Old Skeptic]

1. "Dagger" is just an aero-ballistic missile (sort of like an air version of "Iskander") Isn't that so?
2. It has long been believed that Iskander works on mobile targets. Or is this information unreliable?
3. Regarding geography, this is rudeness and no numbers. You are just a boor.
Aircraft carriers go not only in the Norwegian Sea, an aircraft carrier far from the coast is practically useless. Remind the radius of his aircraft?

[Santa Fe]

1. The speed of the warheads of ballistic missiles depends on the launch range (the height of ascent into space). For Satan or Trident, the speed of the bb in the final section reaches 20M. The 12M you quoted correspond to the performance of a steep medium-range ballistic missile or ICBM
As you already understood, the Dagger does not possess such qualities.

2. Iskander does not work on moving targets. Optical IR targeting system with previously known coordinates

3. Harsh in his statements, and I apologize. Russia is not Vietnam, AB is completely useless against our territory, the United States has other means

In a theoretical full-scale conflict with the Russian Federation, the US Navy poses a threat as the defender of convoys carrying reinforcements to Europe.

If aircraft carriers, who like to drown them with Daggers, understood distance and geography, the dispute would be settled. "Elephant against the whale"

[Old Skeptic]

Apologies are accepted.
This article does not consider the method and possibility of missile guidance. Reference data published by the RF Ministry of Defense were taken: Mach 12, range -1000 km, warhead mass, non-zero probability of hitting a target such as an aircraft carrier.
Based on these data, the author suggested what would happen to the ship when such an ammunition hits.
I see no reason to hate the author. I think the questions should be addressed to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, it is they who issue the input for analysis.

The range of 3000 km (MiG-31) + 1000 km ("Dagger") is sufficient.

One can argue about ballistics for a long time, but in the absence of any reliable data, I find it meaningless.

My opinion is that "Dagger" is a medium-range ballistic missile with an air launch (or quasi-ballistic, due to partial controllability, or rather correction). In this case, I see no contradictions with Mach 12.

[poquello]

Quote: Santa Fe

1. In the lower atmosphere, 12M is only found in "carrots" of SD ballistic missiles

2. There was not a single official report about the Dagger against moving targets

3. The MiG-31 cannot reach the aircraft carrier even in the Norwegian Sea. Not enough fuel
Explore geography

1. Why did you stop at 12 swings?
2.Max 12 ett 14000 km / h, then you can count yourself
3. How far does an aircraft carrier operate?

[Santa Fe]

1. This value is given above. And it's wrong

2. Count what? Congratulations, you did an excellent job of converting Machs to km / h. What does this have to do with the Dagger?

3. It works in the ocean, where ships and transports need air cover.

This is Mig31 and MPA will have to fly there
(will not reach, the Atlantic is too far from Russia, through the NATO space)

[poquello]

Quote: Santa Fe

Think that?

arrival time and travel time, 10 minutes to escape - 10 km, gsn will capture 70 km

Quote: Santa Fe

It works in the ocean, where ships and transports need air cover.

can then rename him to the punk bearer

[Santa Fe]

arrival time and travel time

12M for a short-range ballistic missile (2000 km) cannot be, at the time of meeting with the surface

can then rename him to the punk bearer

And there is. With tz. our aircraft are not interested in the strike capabilities of the AV. We do not have a large surface fleet. To use naval aviation across the territory of the Russian Federation is upwardly nonsense, for this the Yankees have Air Force, disparate in number and quality, located in Europe and Asia

Of the entire aircraft carrier, our aircraft can only be interfered with by deck interceptors with air-to-air weapons. Protecting transport routes in the Atlantic

AB - originally a naval weapon, the Yankees use them to a limited extent for strikes on the coast, because a worthy enemy at sea ended 70 years ago

[poquello]

Quote: Santa Fe

Protecting transport routes in the Atlantic
AB - originally a naval weapon,

well, for there are other airplanes))))))))))))))))

[tlauicol]

Quote: Santa Fe

1. In the lower atmosphere, 12M is only found in "carrots" of SD ballistic missiles

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It seems to me that even MRBMs up to 3-4max slow down, no?

[bratchanin3]

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

This is exactly like the famous liar-grandmother Teresa! And what did not suit KVU in the article, what did the author write wrong? Maybe not humane thoughts towards Americans? And I really liked the article!

[Ros 56]

So maybe, besides denial, you can write something more interesting with numbers and facts confirming your words. Or weak?

[Charik]

Yes, no Th will not, no Dagger to shoot Avik, no Avik to attack Russia

[V1er]

If there is still a nuclear warhead, then the ship is definitely kaput.

[Aleksandr1971]

I believe that any missile with a massive warhead directed against American targets should be equipped with a nuclear warhead. Since a military conflict with the United States will be a war of total destruction.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

The Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces is grateful to you for your help, but it seems that he has his own opinion on this matter.

[Aleksandr1971]

It is possible that he has bonuses to secret accounts from the NSA or the CIA.

Bribery of high-ranking officials of hostile states is a great success for any special service.

[EMMM]

I believe that a cast-iron blank weighing 300 kg at a speed of 7M from an angle of 60 degrees and a pitch of 25-30 degrees, when the side is pierced in the midsection area, will break the structure in half. The laws of physics.

[businessv]

Quote: EMMM

The laws of physics.

With such speed and weight, the released kinetic energy of such an impact cannot even be imagined!

[astepanov]

Quote: businessv

I can't even imagine the released kinetic energy of such an impact!

And count? The warhead mass is about 300 kg, the speed is 12 M, i.e. about 4 km / s, then the task is in one action. By the way, kinetic energy is obtained more than the chemical energy of explosives in warheads. Fuck! It's good that in half, as one motorcyclist said, crashing into a pole.

[businessv]

Quote: astepanov

It's good that in half, as one motorcyclist said, crashing into a pole.

Yes, I meant the impact of the blow, not the calculations! (2400000000 J)

By the way, kinetic energy is obtained more than the chemical energy of explosives in warheads.

Exactly this!

[your1970]

that is, the aircraft carrier is finished - even if there are no explosives there?

[hydrox]

Kinetic energy (KE) ... it cannot exist at v= 0.
Sl-but, it is obliged to transform into another form: the simplest solution is to heat, i.e. IR :: hence the next question - in what IR range ??

[businessv]

Quote: hydrox

Kinetic energy (KE) ... it cannot exist at v = 0.

Of course, but this v must first be brought to 0. I wrote the result above in J.

[hydrox]

In fact, the question was about the form of the released energy, not its value ...

[businessv]

Quote: hydrox

In fact, the question was about the form of the released energy, not its value ...

It's funny! What, in your opinion, can be the form of energy in a cast-iron bar flying at a speed of 12M and encountering an obstacle made of various materials, including chemical and nuclear, on its way? It is clear that a mass of energy of various types will be released, on which the form you are interested in will depend on, in the form of which the release will take place.

[hydrox]

How many tons of steel will steam go?

[nod739]

Who said 12m is near the surface?
...
But even a third, of course, is quite a lot

[Rzzz]

But this is in case the blank stops in the body.
So it will break through him and fly away further.
A similar problem was encountered when creating the ZiS-2 anti-tank gun. There, the speed of the armor-piercing blank was such that it pierced German "three-ruble points" through, sometimes even without serious damage.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: EMMM

I believe that a cast-iron blank weighing 300 kg at a speed of 7M from an angle of 60 degrees and a pitch of 25-30 degrees, when the side is pierced in the midsection area, will break the structure in half. The laws of physics.

Such a "blank" will sew through the body and go into the ocean. The AVU will remain afloat, and may even retain its combat capability after repair and restoration work.

[hydrox]

The whole difficulty of the tolerances is that the Dagger is a constructive, not a blank, while the explosive charge is blasting, not cumulative, so a neat hole will not work, then what will happen?

[Boa kaa]

So this is "Dagger".
But tovarisch "EMMM" sang about a "cast-iron blank" ... that is, an "armor-piercing", not an "explosive" bullet ... So tankers understand !?

[hydrox]

I don’t know, for tankers, maybe it’s understandable, but a tank is not an aircraft carrier, but such a karap is a strategic combat unit, and even a tank army would be too small for this concept.

[smart ass]

And I think there will be a neat through hole

[stas Sv]

I see it that way too. There will be a neat opening of the entrance, but at the exit there will be a "rosette".

[businessv]

Quote: Clever man

And I think there will be a neat through hole

Well, if on the way you don't come across some kind of explosive storage, or a reactor, or fuel tanks.

[K298rtm]

1. The main thing is to get to the midship area.
2. But how to achieve this - a big question (if a product without an SSN - it's difficult to get there, if there is an SSN - then the electronic warfare will interfere, well, etc.)

[Beregovic_1]

300 kg is the weight of the warhead. A rocket, even with depleted fuel, is much heavier.

[Alex_You]

Well xs, xs. During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.

[V1er]

The deck will definitely be contaminated.

[MakStVik]

She is already infected by the Americans.

[Avior]

For such purposes there is a deck irrigation system.

[RUnnm]

Apparently, you mean, after all, not Independence, but Saratoga. But do not forget that the power of the explosion was only 23 kilotons and Saratoga was 2 km from the epicenter. Although there were still fires both on the deck and in the hangars of the aircraft.
Not to mention the fact that the radiation level at the epicenter reached 16 thousand roentgens

[NEXUS]

Quote: RUnnm

But do not forget that the power of the explosion was only 23 kilotons and Saratoga was 2 km from the epicenter.

And there were two explosions ... First, the Able test, when they dropped a bomb of 23 kt, and then there was the Baker test ...
There the bomb was suspended from the bottom of the landing craft.
Agree, not in that, in the other case, do not talk about a direct hit of a hyperspeed missile into an aircraft carrier.
Although there is a common point: if the Dagger has a YABZ, then everything will be infected there. And if the iron does not sink, there will be quite a few people there from radiation.

[RUnnm]

Looked at the materiel. Yes, the tugs never approached Saratoga due to the level of radiation and, as a result, it sank. So the crew, like the pilots there, would definitely have died from radiation.

[the most important]

Quote: NEXUS

And if the iron doesn't sink,

... then it will simply evaporate from the colossal temperature from a nuclear explosion inside the case.

[Turist1996]

Although there is a common point: if the Dagger has a YABZ, then everything will be infected there. And if the iron does not sink, there will be quite a few people there from radiation.

For some reason it seemed to me that modern special warheads are mainly of thermonuclear, not atomic type .. If I am right, then with RA "infection" should not be so scary.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

At such a rocket speed, the question is when to detonate the charge! There will also be a process of triggering the entire device. When you break through buildings, set the trigger time. And at this speed when will the charge go off? Before approaching, when touching, after flying? Won Boeing crashed into a shopping center on September 11, almost pierced it through! And then supersonic! It will probably look like a bullet breaking through a tin can! Another issue is the accuracy of the hit. What is supersonic like? If in tank firing at a stationary target, subsonic missiles could not hit! While the military did not seem to demonstrate the accuracy of hitting and destruction from hypersound!

[Mikhail m]

Quote: RUnnm

the radiation level at the epicenter reached 16 thousand roentgens

This is not a level, but a dose. The level is the dose per unit of time. And the level, in contrast to the dose, decreases significantly over time.

[KCA]

They remained afloat, but no one assessed their functionality after the explosion, because it was not there before the explosion, and the state of the crew, because it was not on board either.

[RUnnm]

Yes, there then two camps waged this dispute - some said that there was no struggle for survivability, while others that there was no ammunition, fuel, etc.
But the controversy did not end with anything.

[Oleg1263]

Well, what kind of survivability could there be if everything was infected? They then all the ships - the targets were flooded precisely because of the impossibility of clearing them of radiation. Although, of course, geography played a cruel joke. They took water for disinfection from the lagoon, which was then drained there ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: oleg1263

They took water for disinfection from the lagoon, which was then drained there ...

In general, the decontamination was carried out in such a way that the hair stood on end. Here is Prince Eugen:

The same "Prince Eugen", which, according to the results of decontamination, was deemed too radioactive even for a short-term stay on it for the purpose of repair.

[RUnnm]

There they also brought sailors on excursions. And they managed to take "souvenirs" with them. Which phonili so that there are no words. The story of one sailor is known, who then suffered from cancer and a heap of diseases for years until the end of his life. I forgot his last name, but I think it's easy to find on the Internet. There, photos and videos with him are simply terrifying.

[Mikhail m]

Quote: oleg1263

They took water for disinfection from the lagoon

Colleagues, be a little more precise in terms.

[Oleg1263]

That's right, decontamination !!!

[Bodipancher]

Well, not entirely correct comparison. There were two explosions: air and underwater outside the ship's hull. If a special warhead explodes inside the ship, then naturally nothing will remain of the aircraft carrier. And there is also ammunition, fuel for aircraft and two working reactors. I think it will be a normal boom-boom)))

[KCA]

Proceeding from the fact that the warhead of the "Dagger" is 500kg, and the X-55 nuclear warhead is 200kT 410kg, in the event of a direct hit from the SBS, nothing will remain from the aircraft carrier

[Galleon]

If you want correct comparisons, the head will fly at a speed of 8M across the aircraft carrier "Gerald Ford" in about 0,03 seconds. Are you sure that the reaction of the fuse and the main charge will be less time? We are already dealing with such speeds that a particularly accurate calculation is needed. The subsonic "exoset", having broken through the board, manages to break the furniture inside for 10-15m of space before the warhead detonates (as practice has shown), but here the speed is tenfold.

[TermNachTer]

Yeah. Only those aircraft carriers had neither aviation gasoline nor ammunition, which have a stupid habit of catching fire and exploding.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: TermNachTER

Yeah. Only those aircraft carriers had neither aviation gasoline nor ammunition, which have a stupid habit of catching fire and exploding.

Quote: Bodypuncher

I think it will be a normal boom-boom)))

Everything is correct. All in science.

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[Nehist]

And also there was no crew who should stop all this! And in general, death from radiation does not occur immediately, so the ship will be completely limited

[APASUS]

Quote: Alex_You

Well xs, xs. During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.

You are confusing something, the survivability of the ship and the performance of the combat mission! The fact that 2 out of three remained afloat does not mean anything at all, they are destroyed. We are not talking about survivability.

Saratoga sank eight hours after the underwater shock wave had holes in the hull. Immediately after the passage of the shock wave, the wave of water rose 13 m above the stern and 9 m above the bow, rocking the ship from side to side and crashing into it, sweeping away all five aircraft standing on the flight deck and dumping the pipe onto the deck. The ship remained upright away from the spray column, but too close to it, and was drenched in radioactive water from the incident base wave.

Admiral Blandy ordered tugs to tow the aircraft carrier to Enyo Island and wash ashore, but Saratoga and the surrounding waters were too radioactive for the tugs to approach it before it sank. The ship sank vertically to the bottom, its top point is 12 m from the surface. Today, when the level of radioactive contamination has dropped to a safe level, Saratoga is one of the most popular diving sites. (The 2009 diving season was canceled due to high fuel prices, erratic flights to the island and the refusal of the Bikini Islanders Foundation, which subsidized these activities.)

The Independence survived Able, but the upper deck suffered great damage. The ship was far enough away from the Baker explosion to avoid physical destruction, but was heavily contaminated. It was towed to San Francisco, where decontamination experiments were carried out for four years at the Hunters Point shipyards, which did not lead to satisfactory results. On January 29, 1951, the ship was sunk in the ocean near the Farallon Islands.

[Imperial Technocrat]

First, there was not a direct hit and an explosion directly near the ship, but underwater, and at a certain distance. Secondly, there was a weak head at 1kt. Now imagine if you hit a megaton, and directly next to the ship. It will not only be destroyed, but evaporated, it will simply disappear

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Alex_You

During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.

in the sense of not all drowned? have you forgotten about radiation? Well, will this order with a mountain of corpses float in the sea, and what will be its combat effectiveness?

[Nehist]

I repeat !!! Death from radiation does not occur immediately, so the combat effectiveness will not be greatly affected

[Mikhail Tynda]

Study the course and symptoms of acute radiation sickness. There is such intensity and current that it is hard to live. Not like fighting. And yet, yes, death somewhere in 3-30 days, but this time, a person is not a warrior, but an invalid with a gradually falling apart organism.

[Nehist]

So there is no need for three days !!! but you need to complete the task within XNUMX hours! What health is enough for the irradiated

[unhappy]

Life is not a computer game, the team must consist entirely of real fanatics, I repeat this can only be in the game. In real life, most of the team will deal with personal problems, like praying ...

[Nehist]

And this is not a game, this is reality, the consequences of radiation do not appear immediately, and yes, everyone will immediately become fanatics out of despair

[unhappy]

To become a fanatic you need a basis, do the "volunteers - contractors" from America have one? And if so what?
Get citizenship, cut the loot, oh yeah flag love

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nehist

So there is no need for three days !!! but you need to complete the task within XNUMX hours!

you don't seem to understand what happens in a nuclear explosion ... let's start the OBZh lesson.
a nuclear explosion has several damaging factors, they are a shock wave, a heat wave, radiation and an electromagnetic pulse.
now let's estimate what damage each factor will cause.
in case of a direct hit, the aircraft carrier will be blown into atoms, this option is not considered. here everything is clear.

in an air or underwater explosion, the ships will survive the shock wave and heat wave, in the sense that they will not lose their buoyancy, but all superstructures will be seriously damaged. that is, no functioning radar or communications antenna. the warrant is blind and deaf. also deformations of the hull, which means the flight deck, catapults, elevators are disabled. all aircraft on deck, the Americans love it, have been destroyed. Since these are fueled planes, add to this the serious fires in an air explosion.

the radiation release from a nuclear explosion is many times higher than the lethal level. how long a person will live after exposure is determined by the dose of radiation. Japanese fishermen, who were more than 100 km from the epicenter of the explosion, fell into a radioactive cloud from the explosion and the radio operator did not swim to the house. in the immediate vicinity of the explosion, the dose of radiation is such that people will not live even a day, and this day they will die painfully. there is no reason to talk about any meaningful activity.

an electromagnetic pulse will destroy all electronics. Do you remember what happened in Fukushima when the water flooded the diesel generators that fed the protective circuit of the nuclear power plant? there are 2 reactors in which the protective circuit will be cut down.

summarize. after a nuclear explosion, the order will turn into floating iron debris with a pile of corpses, which cannot even be delivered to the port for repairs due to the fact that it emits dangerous doses of radiation. all. finish.

[stas Sv]

Yes, Alex is. It's just that some at one time graduated from the CPC and about the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons not in Kursy. Alas

[Simargl]

Quote: Alex_You

During Operation Crossroads, ancient aircraft carriers showed that they were quite tenacious even when using nuclear weapons.

They are tenacious ... that's just an aircraft carrier
- loses all aircraft that have not taken off,
- becomes a piece of radiation iron,
- almost the entire team is not tenants,
- if at least one reactor and engine survives - of all combat use - only a ram. And this is with an explosion of 500 m.
I would like to remind you that less than 20 kt exploded 600 meters from the chamber of commerce, the building was not blown into dust.
If you get into the ship itself, and even inside, the consequences will be much more sad.
If the reactor explodes from a chemical explosion (conventional, as they say), the deck will be turned out at maximum.

[RUnnm]

I don't know ... why aim at the deck or the reactor. Walk like that. And if we discuss such hypotheses at the level of a spherical vacuum, then it is necessary to aim at the eye of the AUG commander.
No numbers, no calculations, nothing - only hypothetical speculations - "and if, maybe ..." and so on

[BABAY22]

Quote: RUnnm

it is necessary to aim in the eye of the commander of the AUG.

And only the Black Hole.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Afrodyroy?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Uh-huh. Also noted - the author is counting on a sniper hit. So he took it straight and decided - no, we will not get into the eighth compartment, but into the ninth ...

[RUnnm]

Apparently, I read that the declared deviation is 1m.)))

[your1970]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

gu. Also noted - the author is counting on a sniper hit. So he took it straight and decided - no, we will not get into the eighth compartment, but into the ninth ...

-you have already been answered

Quote: astepanov

Quote: businessv

I can't even imagine the released kinetic energy of such an impact!

And count? The warhead mass is about 300 kg, the speed is 12 M, i.e. about 4 km / s, then the task is in one action. By the way, kinetic energy is obtained more than the chemical energy of explosives in warheads. .

- so that plus or minus the compartment can not even be counted - it is necessary to get into the contour of the ship ...

[MakStVik]

What are they modeling? The war with the Americans will last 30 minutes. And after that we will be like the moon.

[Fregate]

Well, at least we will visit the moon at least. True, not all.

[Turist1996]

"Not just everything!"

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"The characteristics of American naval defense systems against aircraft do not allow countering hypersonic missile weapons." But seriously? The MiG-31 launches a rocket from a great height and shines on radar screens like the sun, the rocket itself flies at a high altitude and glows like the sun. Even if Aegis does not have time to react, then there will obviously be enough time to put active and passive interference.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Especially for minus signers - the flight time of the Dagger is quite comparable to the flight time of the P-15 from Egyptian missile boats launched at Israeli missile boats. The Egyptians could not sink a single Israeli boat - the Israelis had time to react, even though they had no trace of Aegis.

[Mikhail Tynda]

The destroyer Eilat was not saved.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

The destroyer "Eilat" was the first, the Jews were sure that shells with radar fuses would destroy any P-15. It turned out that no, the rocket is too fast and flies too low. After that, the Israelis changed their tactics, and the Arabs had no more success.

[Turist1996]

A universal question for you: and what ?!

[fa2998]

Quote from rudolf

"The maximum flight speed of the rocket on the trajectory is also taken into account. It is about Mach 12."

At 12 M, the rocket is "blind". The guidance is only inertial, preferably for stationary objects. If you have to slow down the homing system, you need to make calculations. And if you use nuclear warheads, what, Russia withdrew from all international agreements on reduction? Everything is written there, by carriers.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: fa2998

Everything is written there, according to the carriers.

This is not a strategic carrier

[fa2998]

But the maximum number of YABCH is indicated. Put at least on "Yars" at least on howitzer ammunition. But no one "exchanges". The survivability of the carrier affects.

[Cyril G ...]

If necessary, no one interferes with screwing the YABC in short. The standard naval mallet is 350 kilotons.

[seacap]

If it comes to "Daggers" on an aircraft carrier, it means that the world, human civilization has only a few hours left to exist.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: seacap

If it comes to "Daggers" on an aircraft carrier, it means that the world, human civilization has only a few hours left to exist.

Something I doubt that put under the guillotine manages to spit in the face of the executioner ... Here the very prospect of dissolving into the air along with the entire kagal can overcome the loss of even all AUGs located in international waters far from the US coast. I will simply keep silent about the EU.
An example, when one gentleman decided to seize little Poland in 1939, were there many who wanted to resist or share the fate of this country? And here, with the disappearance of some separately located island, hardly anyone is concerned with the fate of Navalny, or some Denmark, more than their own ...
I think so, focusing on the actions and episodes taking place in the history of mankind.
But do you think that human civilization will have hours? In the form that it has - yes. But there are places on the planet where people will not even understand what happened there ...

[Sergey Sfiedu]

The Japs in 1941 also hoped that the cowardly Yankees would crap after Pearl Harbor, and without a fight would give them the Pacific Ocean. But somehow it did not work out. Therefore, just as the Yankees will try not to attack a nuclear power without extreme need, so their opponents are in no hurry to throw nuclear missiles against their aircraft carriers. - stupidly like that.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

The Japs in 1941 also hoped that the cowardly Yankees would crap after Pearl Harbor, and without a fight would give them the Pacific Ocean. But somehow it didn't work out.

"Japs" in 1941 so "hit on snot" "Americans" that until 1945 they wiped off snot, although not a single bomb fell on the territory of the United States (continental). Only in 1945, having dropped two atomic bombs on the cities of Japan (with the majority of civilians), they dared to land troops. And then there was Operation Cottage - the US Army's operation to liberate the island of Kiska ...
Let's not dwell on the bravery of American warriors who are fighting only in cleared territory, either with the help of aircraft or with the assistance of coalition forces. Vietnam to help me.
In terms of waging war, this is the meanest nation in the world. It attacks only countries that are several times weaker than the United States itself, both economically and in terms of the armament of the army. The DPRK and Iran, where nuclear weapons are in their infancy, are here to help me.
And, if any countries have raised their "legs up", it is only for fear of the foolishness with which the Americans are bombing everything and everyone.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

The Japs in 1941 also hoped that the cowardly Yankees would crap after Pearl Harbor, and without a fight would give them the Pacific Ocean. But somehow it didn't work out.

"Japs" in 1941 so "hit on snot" "Americans" that until 1945 they wiped off snot, although not a single bomb fell on the territory of the United States (continental). Only in 1945, having dropped two atomic bombs on the cities of Japan (with the majority of civilians), they dared to land troops. And then there was Operation Cottage - the US Army's operation to liberate the island of Kiska ...
Let's not dwell on the bravery of American warriors who are fighting only in cleared territory, either with the help of aircraft or with the assistance of coalition forces. Vietnam to help me.
In terms of waging war, this is the meanest nation in the world. It attacks only countries that are several times weaker than the United States itself, both economically and in terms of the armament of the army. The DPRK and Iran, where nuclear weapons are in their infancy, are here to help me.
And, if any countries have raised their "legs up", it is only for fear of the foolishness with which the Americans are bombing everything and everyone.

Why lie like that?
The war in the Pacific Ocean and Southeast Asia was not going on?
Haven't the Japs got the tinsel from 43 on practically all fronts?

And the Americans landed in Japan in March-April 45, and the bombs were dropped only in August ...

I congratulate you, sir lied ...

And you are lying deliberately.

Having lied once - but who will believe you?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: SovAr238A

And the Americans landed in Japan in March-April 45,

What do you think Japan is interesting to me? I somehow do not remember the American landing in the Japanese metropolis in the spring of 1945 - neither on Honshu, nor on Sekaku, nor on Kyushu, nor on Hokkaido. So who is lying then?
You would point out that we are probably talking about Iwo Jima, for clarity of the issue. From which to the Japanese metropolis 1250 km. That is, outside the range of most tactical aircraft from Kyushu. So the metropolis and the island are not the same thing. But for a substitution of concepts it will do. Yes?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: SovAr238A

And the Americans landed in Japan in March-April 45,

What do you think Japan is interesting to me? I somehow do not remember the American landing in the Japanese metropolis in the spring of 1945 - neither on Honshu, nor on Sekaku, nor on Kyushu, nor on Hokkaido. So who is lying then?
You would point out that we are probably talking about Iwo Jima, for clarity of the issue. From which to the Japanese metropolis 1250 km. That is, outside the range of most tactical aircraft from Kyushu. So the metropolis and the island are not the same thing. But for a substitution of concepts it will do. Yes?

Japan is Japan.
That which was Japanese all my life - and was not captured during the WWII - I consider Japanese.
I'm talking about the same Okinawa.
When was the Okinawa landing there?

I understand the human desire to belittle other people's victories.
I understand the role of our victory in Manchuria ..
But you have to be objective.

[HAM]

Sometimes there is a benefit from the "fashion designers": you have to build so many aircraft carriers that the "Daggers" are not enough for everyone ...

[Virus-free crown]

I will express my opinion of an amateur

We load the "dagger" with yadryonbaton - and no matter where it goes - the effect is GUARANTEED !!!

If we consider the situation that we are shooting at NATO aircraft carriers - both for me and in the Third World War, all means are good

[The eye of the crying]

No signature, but Damantsev's style.

[ximkim]

Did the experts take into account the aircraft carrier's air defense?

[Charik]

Air defense aircraft carrier - phalanxes or sispars or something newer?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Charik

Air defense aircraft carrier - phalanxes or sispars or something newer?

Actually. 2 sides with 4 AMRAAMs each, they are always in the air.
Plus 3-4 destroyers, which are actually the aircraft carrier's air defense.
Plus AWACS, which in the E-2D version is able to direct missiles over the horizon, i.e. BIUS Idjik is not necessary to see the goal.
And the launch and guidance of missiles from Destroyers or Fighters is controlled by the E-2D operators.

Here is such a NIF-CA ...

[Charik]

again 25, Dagger vs CVN, no F18 and Berkov probably wanted to discuss this in the article, but that was how the article could be called-Will one dagger pierce AUG

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Charik

again 25, Dagger vs CVN, no F18 and Berkov probably wanted to discuss this in the article, but that was how the article could be called-Will one dagger pierce AUG

Is there any point in discussing what cannot be? Who is stronger than an elephant or a whale?
An aircraft carrier in combat without security?
Do you understand what you are writing about?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: SovAr238A

2 sides with 4 AMRAAMs each, they are always in the air.

Not always. It all depends on the level of alertness of the AUG.
There are several of them

Quote: SovAr238A

And the launch and guidance of missiles from Destroyers or Fighters is controlled by the E-2D operators.

Will there be a link or as usual? And then, as if I remember just over-the-horizon targeting missiles can be engaged in F-35. Well, you forgot to say how many missiles and how many targets can be targeted ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: SovAr238A

2 sides with 4 AMRAAMs each, they are always in the air.

Not always. It all depends on the level of alertness of the AUG.
There are several of them

Quote: SovAr238A

And the launch and guidance of missiles from Destroyers or Fighters is controlled by the E-2D operators.

Will there be a link or as usual? And then, as if I remember just over-the-horizon targeting missiles can be engaged in F-35. Well, you forgot to say how many missiles and how many targets can be targeted ...

Quite the opposite, Hawkeye was the first ...
It's just that our news is not interested in Hawkeye, he is "not a penguin", so they usually keep silent about him.
But Hawkeye was the first.

Well, as an example ...
https://breakingdefense.com/2017/02/link-army-navy-missile-defense-networks-adm-harris/

The naval ones require the army to introduce these (read army) into a single fire control system.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: SovAr238A

it is the E-2D operators that control.

They don't rule from the word at all. There is a different scheme. The operators of the shooting ship with Aegis "control the missile defense", that is, Aegis accompanies the target and issues radio correction commands via Hawkeye... But there are troubles associated with the drop in the probability of hitting the VC to small values ​​with such shooting, this is due to the low accuracy of target tracking with the Hokai's observation saucer .. Figuratively speaking - "unloading ammunition into the sea through the barrel" (Ts.).

[stas Sv]

Ok, let's dream: once, and all GPS transmitters are suppressed by the missile defense system. Where will your amerskoy racket fly?
By the way, I came across such crap both in Afghanistan and Iraq, when all means of navigation on the plane were denied. The Chinese and Russian constellations of satellites helped out.
Fortunately, they are spelled out on the tablet.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Stas Sv

Ok, let's dream: once, and all GPS transmitters are suppressed by the missile defense system. Where will your amerskoy racket fly?
By the way, I came across such crap both in Afghanistan and Iraq, when all means of navigation on the plane were denied. The Chinese and Russian constellations of satellites helped out.
Fortunately, they are spelled out on the tablet.

Those. you have never heard of positioning systems other than GPS GPS Navstar and guidance systems that do not use GPS Navstar?

[Turist1996]

Air defense aircraft carrier

Excuse me, what did you say?!
There are four "Shilki" in the corners of the deck will strengthen it, the aircraft carrier, the air defense twice - for from the native air defense on it is pure profanation. Everything is assigned to the escort group.

[7,62x54]

Pensioners, on the results of whose work the Kremlin diaspora sits, receive 13-15 thousand pensions each. And experts rant about daggers and Poseidons. If something happened, those retirees would not go to the machine or plow, but would watch and survive.

[garri-lin]

And again post nonsense. If they hit the avik, it will either be reckless like North Korea. Either Russia or China. Both the first and second categories will be hit with the most powerful weapon. Tobish nuclear. The most probable blow to the Avik is an anti-ship missile with nuclear warheads of a couple of hundred tons. An underwater explosion about a kilometer from the target. Well, or some weak countries like Syria, Libya or Yugoslavia can try to scratch the paint.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: garri-lin

And again post nonsense. If they hit the avik, it will either be reckless like North Korea. Either Russia or China. Both the first and second categories will be hit with the most powerful weapon. Tobish nuclear. The most probable blow to the Avik is an anti-ship missile with nuclear warheads of a couple of hundred tons. An underwater explosion about a kilometer from the target. Well, or some weak countries like Syria, Libya or Yugoslavia can try to scratch the paint.

Hit with a nuclear one - you get a full-scale nuclear strike ...
Or will you be like a character in an anecdote: "What for us?" ...

[garri-lin]

Do you think that the strike on the aircraft carrier will take place against the background of negotiations on friendship and cooperation? The war will already go on. And the blow will be an element of the war.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: garri-lin

Do you think that the strike on the aircraft carrier will take place against the background of negotiations on friendship and cooperation? The war will already go on. And the blow will be an element of the war.

Nuclear war?

Something we have not seen Israeli nuclear strikes on their enemies.
Although their wars were not for life, but to the death ...

There were no nuclear strikes in the military conflicts of Pakistan and India, India and China ...
There were no nuclear strikes during the wars in Vietnam, Korea ..
And the wars were not kindergarten ones ...

[garri-lin]

Pakistan, India, China. Are you likening border skirmishes to hitting an aircraft carrier? Israel is on the side. Exactly Israel is busy chasing slippers.

[Real Pilot]

Will hitting the reactor cause it to explode? Nuclear? I do not believe!

Rather, the scattering of fragments and infection as from a "dirty bomb".
An explosion requires a critical mass, which is not there, and will not be when the reactor is blown to pieces.

But with SBCH, yes! Little will not seem. Even if next to you.

[tlauicol]

What are the 12max at the moment of contact with the target? Even blocks of ICBMs fall to the surface, slowing down to 2,5m. Recalculate, experts

[Alber alber]

The blocks are specially bred, which contributes to the drop in speed, and he is a monoblock dagger, why should he breed it, he has a maximum speed just before the collision, if that all questions to Borisov and the innovator

[tlauicol]

Monoblock ICBMs, OTRK also slow down in dense layers.

[_Ugene_]

In other words, with a hypothetical strike, the target will be hit in any case.

not in any, you still need to get there, and this is not a trivial task at such speeds

[zwlad]

Che for nonsense it is written that 500 kg of explosives will destroy an aircraft carrier. And they can drown the whole AUG. 500 kg is certainly a lot, but not for an aircraft carrier.

[garri-lin]

It is extremely difficult for the average layman to imagine a ship the size of an aircraft carrier. Therefore, they think that 500 kg is a lot.

[GREG68]

Do not feed these experts with bread, let them play war.

[Volga073]

You need to aim at the Pentagon.
Then all American AUGs will be paralyzed at once.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Volga073

You need to aim at the Pentagon.
Then all American AUGs will be paralyzed at once.

How so?
Do they have any wiring there?
Wheels?

[your1970]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Volga073

You need to aim at the Pentagon.
Then all American AUGs will be paralyzed at once.

How so?
Do they have any wiring there?
Wheels?

- the command is there ... and without the command, to get food, fuel, and most importantly: the combat mission is extremely difficult

[Charik]

It is extremely difficult for the average layman to understand that the AUG management is not only from the Pentagon

[your1970]

Quote: Charik

It is extremely difficult for the average layman to understand that the AUG management is not only from the Pentagon

-and then what? well, let it be from the bunker? what's the difference, if a nuclear strike has already been struck on the Pentagon? Do you remember where it is? The world has already come ...
Well, they will come to our shores to bomb AUG and? All major ports have been deliberately destroyed by US nuclear strikes. Where else can they fly?
And most importantly, why?

[Revival]

What is this disgrace !?
Is this supposedly an article?
Although I am a lawyer, I can do this easily, maybe a little better

[K298rtm]

Well, roll it over. The audience is looking forward to it.

[Revival]

Yes, why should I go where I don't know !?
And roll the same meaningless article?
Here, all the same, VO, not Yandex Zen in the light version

[Wedmak]

Something reminded of the dialogue in "Peculiarities of National Fishing":
- Yes, I can put an aircraft carrier to the bottom!
- Mmmm ... ???
- Well, if you're lucky, of course ...

[Aleks2000]

Indeed, some kind of crap. From country anonymous experts.

"According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Dagger hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land, but also at sea."

It's been talking about for five years now. True, they never say how it will get into objects.
And how many aircraft carriers, or at least models, have already sunk (with active opposition then!)

1) The dagger has always been positioned as a sea.
2) It's ballistic and hypersonic. So it will be visible to everyone and from afar. This means that they will also be jammed and shot from afar.
And in fact, the task is standard - to detonate charges with a cloud of debris on the way. Calculate trajectory and detonate on the way. Already modern computers have to cope.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Alex2000

Already modern computers have to cope.

According to your logic, it is not a problem to shoot down an ICBM warhead at the final stage, right? But this is not so.

[Aleks2000]

ICBMs will also be fired from everything at hand.
In vain chtoli warheads up to 20 pieces are shoved into the rocket, + blendes, + streamlined shape for yawing in the atmosphere. (wrote)
And there are amers' air defense systems and nuclear ones.

According to the data provided on the VO, 20 subsonic missiles are needed to overcome the Kuznetsov air defense system and disable it. Supersonic - 2 times faster - roughly count 10.
Hypersonic - 2 times more - conditionally 5.

There is also a squadron, which will also be connected. And aviation, which will shoot down communications, tip-off, and drive off spotters.

About 4 years ago, they showed exercises on an old Syrian destroyer: it took 2 missiles on a ship standing still.

[Alber alber]

And now compare the air defense of even the old Kuzi and the warrant, there is a short radius, there is an ultra-long one, and in the middle the air wing should work or not

[Aleks2000]

Since not a single modern aircraft carrier was damaged even by the semblance of missiles, it is pointless to discuss further ...

However, there were fires and explosions on modern ones, and showed that they are quite tenacious ...

[Alber alber]

Was, it was written above, 23kt, so it is always useful to talk, but tell me about the fires how much this trough was restored? Well, you can also remember about the surfacing of our boat right inside the order, this does not mean anything to you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ria.ru/amp/20200131/1563794372.html , вот и ссылочка с подробностями, можно ещё на эту тему пообщаться, но вы то явно настроены на то, что авик неубиннная корова, ну и оставайтесь с этой нелерым убеждением

[Aleks2000]

Something did not find anything "above" about hitting a modern aircraft carrier with missiles.
Only as on old kernels-loaf were tested.

There are always exceptions, that's why they are exceptions.
"Kitty Hawk, traveling with its navigation lights off and a speed of about 30 kilometers per hour, collided with a nuclear-powered ship." 84 years old.
And so ours hunt them, theirs on ours, an ordinary living international life, as they say.

[Alber alber]

It's not about knocking out, it's a bag, you need to get off, that you live well from the USA, it's about the consequences of explosions from a certain warhead, one trough sank, the second could not be restored. And this is only 23kTn, and if at least 10mTn, but at least one, this is the end of the warrant as a combat unit

[Aleks2000]

What?
In the Second World War we do not believe, for a long time and a real war.
Modern? I have not met about the drowned.

[Alber alber]

You read above about the tests of Yao by the Americans over their aircraft carriers and ships of higher ranks. The bomb is only 23kTn, this is TNW by our standards, you hope you remember what happened to Nagasaki, and there was an explosion of about 21kTn, completely demolished 110kv.km and dozens of squares of the city were damaged, 60-80 thousand people died. and this is an explosion on the surface, almost in the middle of the city, one part of which was covered by a local mountain in the middle, and what will happen if the megaton class is in the air, in a clear sea without relief shelters?

[Aleks2000]

You don't have to hit the aircraft carrier with a nuclear loaf. I.e:
This is not the topic of the article.
This is not a topic for discussion.

[Alber alber]

The topic of the article is the number of daggers or other similar missiles, sufficient to disable the warrant, in case of setting such a task, causing unacceptable damage to aug, no one will stand on ceremony for conventionality

[Aleks2000]

In principle, right.
All differ only in the number of missiles and in the accuracy of the wording.

[Alber alber]

Quote: Alex2000

You don't have to hit the aircraft carrier with a nuclear loaf. I.e:
This is not the topic of the article.
This is not a topic for discussion.

And above you presented a different topic ...
I will not vouch for your wording, but the number of missiles from yabchs is small, there is practically nothing to intercept the Dagger, and the power is more than sufficient.

[Aleks2000]

So you started talking about YABCH.
In the article about the nuclear warhead, not a word, and the warhead is clearly the usual one.

[Alber alber]

The article raises the question of how many Daggers are needed to destroy an aircraft carrier, the fact that the Dagger, like many of our missiles, is a nuclear warhead carrier (which is not interesting to anyone, here you better just talk about diplomatic negotiations), you are sure of the course, therefore it is not clear why in an obvious situation you start to slide, it is not interesting ...

[Aleks2000]

Oh, you got confused in words.
To put it simply - Yabch alone is enough, not even to hit, but to fly.

According to the title - Not yabch - perhaps one, since it is already "on hit" (although it was not tested on aircraft carriers in real life, it may not be so, the builders are not fools)

According to the article - not yabch attacks from afar - the possibility of interception is significant, IMHO.
All these "there is no way to intercept" is an obvious lie. Rab, Disguise, explosions in the oncoming lane, clouds of debris - everything will go into action.
Classics: "if you want to live, you will not be so rattled"

[Alber alber]

I somehow do not consider your confusion along with your amateur houses to the article as something documented.
Once again, nuclear weapons were tested on aircraft carriers in real life, albeit in exercises, the consequences are quite real, and the power in TNT is ridiculous, but it was enough to disable ships without the ability to conduct hostilities. There is no doubt that even in your reality, the results will be either the same, minimum, or much more severe. I don't see any more reasonable counter-arguments.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Alex2000

for the calculated overcoming of Kuznetsov's air defense and incapacitation, 20 subsonic missiles are needed. FROM

Let's count. If the attack is from one side, then the cruiser has 13 firing channels on board. Which means that 13 targets can be fired on at the same time ... With normal crew training, you can have more time to shoot. Well, electronic warfare again.

[Aleks2000]

What I read here on VO, then I give out. Allegedly real calculations about air defense and missiles.

[Nikita Vinogradov]

The course of your logic is interesting, but not more ... There is no linearity declared by you - 20 subsonic according to Kuza, which means 10 supersonic according to it, which means 5 hypersonic ... Everything is too "conditional". Even lonely Kuzya, even with 20 tardigrades fired at the same time, has a 4-channel Dagger + 8 1-channel daggers + 8 six-barreled cannons out of 20 subsonic ones - this means 1 target for each of 20 target simultaneous channels out of 20. But this is a very free case! The high-speed missiles hit the tardigrade on the far border and the Daggers will have time to work out at least 4 more targets while the remaining 12 out of 20 enter the coverage area of ​​8 Kortik channels together with 4 channels of the same Dagger. that is, 1 target on 1 channel. Range 8 km Time of arrival of anti-ship missiles - more than 30 seconds. Let's say the reaction time of the air defense missile system is minus 8 seconds, the anti-ship missile system flew 2 km, after another 6 seconds the anti-ship missile system will pass 1,5 km, and the Kortika and Dagger missiles during this time 4,8 km, that is, they will hit all 12 targets or if they miss, the remaining 4 anti-ship missiles in 8 seconds will go 2 km to a distance of 2,5 km to Kuzi and in another 4 seconds they will go another 1 km, where the Kortik missile defense system will be finished off, together with 6 6 barreled anti-aircraft guns. If 4-6 missiles break into the near zone of 2-3 m, then 20 free target channels of the Dagger, Kortik and AK-630M will already meet them. Guidance of missiles and artillery - teleoptical and radar. But hypersound hypersound strife ....: max and 12 max are different hypersound. Therefore, the Dagger for Mach 10-12 is SOMETHING!

[Escobar]

Well, yes, no matter how hypersonic it is, the interceptor missile flies to the meeting, and does not chase after it.

[Alber alber]

And what follows from this? The interceptor missile has one chance of intercepting the dagger, since the meeting point can be calculated with a ballistic missile, and not with a maneuvering one

[Escobar]

Okay, one missile, one chance, fig with him 1% interception chance. But who said that one interceptor missile would be fired at it? How many missiles can one Aegis destroyer fire at one target? And if there are 5-6 such destroyers in the AUG? All the same, for the confident incapacitation of an aircraft carrier, I suppose a volley of several missiles is needed, and even then, whether there will be an explosion of a nuclear reactor, which will bury the entire AUG.

[Alber alber]

Well, first of all, of course, they will not be hammering with one rocket, interception in percentage on the dagger bius aegis tends to 0, this is a feature of high-altitude interception of this system, it is sharpened to intercept MBR at known points of the trajectory, to shoot down a missile with quasi-ballistics at such a speed, especially when diving I I can't even imagine what. You know, once they showed a farmer from Oklahoma, and he showed a steel plate a couple of centimeters long, a straw was sticking out of this plate on both sides, that is, I pierced the plate through and through, all this was after a very strong hurricane, here is an example for you.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alber Alber

And what follows from this? The interceptor missile has one chance of intercepting the dagger, since the meeting point can be calculated with a ballistic missile, and not with a maneuvering one

Again...
What do you consider as maneuvers for an aeroballistic rocket flying at a speed of 3-4-5-7-10M ???

Dances like Cobra Pugachev? Or does the rocket make a barrel?

And when does the rocket start to maneuver?

On marching mode?
Is she flying dancing chtoli?
All your way?


Have you even wondered what overloads on the rocket body at such a speed just at a 5 degree angle of change of course ...

[Alber alber]

"Maneuvers throughout the entire trajectory, while being reliably controlled" - the RF Ministry of Defense. And what do you think is maneuvering and ballistic flight, ie you really think that the SM-3 Block IA / IB missile, sharpened for kinetic interception of a target in a known point of the trajectory will intercept a high-speed, maneuvering target, even if its maneuver is not a "Pugachev's cobra", but a simple pitch? If you do not understand what is not real, then what are we talking about, what are the fields of fragments ???

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex2000

Indeed, some kind of crap. From country anonymous experts.

"According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (United Aircraft Corporation), the Dagger hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land, but also at sea."

You said correctly.
I just know the logic of such representatives of the press services ...
Two highly paid press releases are sitting.
And they think what next "no analogue in the world" to come up with ...
After all, if you come up with something, they will immediately praise you, and they will invite you to the next presentations and feed and drink well there ...
Here they sit and think.

First: "Well, the offshore drilling platform - will it hit?"
Second: "Of course. It is stationary - of course it will amaze!"
First: "Platform at sea?"
Second: "At sea!"
The first one: "The goal means the sea?"
Second: "So the sea!"
The first one: "We all write the headlines. It also hits naval targets, not a single aircraft carrier will hide and will be destroyed!" ...

If you think that this is mockery, believe me - this is the reality of coming up with news from the military-industrial complex ...

[Alber alber]

You have not tried to stop a bullet, other bullets or shrapnel, and the bullet speed is several times lower, for accuracy The Dagger is a quasi-ballistic rocket, a twin of the Iskander rocket, which means that maneuvering can and guessing along the trajectory will also fail, especially when diving and from yabch to board, this will no longer make sense, it's too late

[Aleks2000]

Yabch is a special case, you don't need to get there at all.
For maneuvering and diving usual: 1) Rab will in every possible way interfere and aim and hit.
2) maneuvers have limitations, and the task is clear - cover with a cloud of debris. And not just one.
And the rocket will be visible from afar ... Modern air defense systems do not fire alone, everyone will try to block it ...

[Alber alber]

At this speed, do not cover with a cloud, not several, when diving and inertial aiming, the dagger and the rab will not crush, the only option is some kind of viscous, thick, durable compensating cover at the same time, again on the principle of a bullet and cotton wool. And that's not a fact. You can remember the explosions of famous comets, meteorites, both on the surface and above it, I was in the crater of a stone meteorite, the weight in the collision is about 1,5 tons, the diameter is about 40-70 m, the funnel is elongated, because flew on ballistics, smashed the top of the mountain, then an impact and a long slide / rolling, the depth was also 25m, plus it was still buried a few meters into solid rock, a meteorite without traces of iron, so they could not determine. And this is a stone, but what if it is ferrous?

[Aleks2000]

Meteora separately. Let the physicists count there.
But really:
1) We must fly. And this is not stealth, the missile will be visible to everyone and its final point of impact is known.
hollow will be in the way with all that is.
By the way, modern rockets do just that - they are blown up by a cloud of debris upon approach. And not even one at a time.

2) It is necessary to get there - despite the electronic warfare, radio-reflective smoke, etc. Since they wrote that it is guided from an airplane 1000 km from the squadron. Remind where the Syrians got with their missile with the electronic warfare of the Israeli F16?

3) Well, I got it - how lucky you are. In case of fires, the bombs were already exploding at the top - it was not fatal.
If it exploded successfully inside - then yes. However, the latest incidents are 80 years ago, WW2.

[Alber alber]

Physics, it is physics, there is no adding or subtracting. The guys from the United States are focusing on the SM-3 Block IA / IB, and this is a kinetic interceptor on a ballistic trajectory! Trajectory dear. The carrier will raise the rocket and only a moment on the carrier, separation from it and a certain time of gaining speed is the vulnerability of the dagger, although if 31 by 40 km above the territory of the Russian Federation rises, then there are questions. The end point can only be known in the case of a ballistic trajectory, the dagger and its twins from Iskander cannot be calculated that way. The dagger does not need to make a bull's-eye, a high-altitude explosion is enough for it, and when diving 12m, it cannot be stopped, nevertheless, try to compare this with meteorites, the burst of even a small comet made of ice and stone at a height. There are a number of vulnerabilities that I described, but there are fewer of them than in the frightening NATO Iskander complex with the 9M723 missile, in which stealth technologies are used, read, you will learn a lot of interesting things.

[fa2998]

You can try to direct an asteroid to the aircraft carrier, where the speeds are suitable.

[pleschakovai]

What will happen, you do not know ??? Kirdyk will happen, however !!!

[Knell wardenheart]

Ehh, until the moment in which one Dagger is already dangerous for the entire AUG was interesting to read)

[Alber alber]

If yabch, then absolutely sure, and together with the Avik reactors, the notable radioactive garbage dump will come out

[petrol cutter]

There were always crowds of aircraft carriers in the Black and Baltic Seas (possibly the Barents). Which simply did not let you breathe ...

[Escobar]

An article in the style of REN-TV, the program "military secret" - we have the most unparalleled wunderwaffle in which we will defeat all in one fell swoop!

[Galleon]

It becomes boring from such expert assessments. No one ever thought that this type of ships should be hit in the wheelhouse, because in an amicable way all command posts are duplicated. To deprive the ship of communications and radar? Well, the deck remains level, without a roll, its mechanisms are working - take off and perform BZ! Okay, something else is surprising: Why should the cooling pipes of some reactor loop be above the waterline at all? The aircraft carrier is designed according to the basic idea of ​​maximum survivability: so that it has aviation fuel tanks, ammunition cellars for the aircraft wing ... - everything is below the waterline. The same "Ford" has a draft of 12m !! Here, the very idea of ​​a horizontal entry into the side is wrong. It is necessary to fly in from the zenith to the most nadir, hitting such a target along a vertical trajectory is much more fun.

[businessv]

Quote: Galleon

It is necessary to fly in from the zenith into the most nadir, hitting such a target along a vertical trajectory is much more fun

The experts, you see, had this in mind, but did not voice it!

[Galleon]

Quote: businessv

The experts, you see, had this in mind, but did not voice it!

About how! Intricate. And I thought that they decided to hit the side of the deck and look for pipes under it, as in the explanatory photo.

[businessv]

Quote: Galleon

Oh how! Intricate.

It was ironic, colleague. This article is not for an amateur, without the details that are typical of experts. No launch trajectories, no angle of attack and other attributes, so there is nothing special to discuss here, in my opinion.

[Galleon]

Quote: businessv

It was ironic, colleague.

Yes, I understand))) I'm sitting now in an article about the mausoleum, trying to understand the general squabble. Bad business)). Good evening, Vadim!

[businessv]

Quote: Galleon

Good evening, Vadim!

Yes, Andrey, and to you! I also posted a little there, but only in the form of support for our weak half!

[garri-lin]

No difference. The same Granite penetrated 12-15 meters into the depth of the structure.

[Alber alber]

I agree, but you can also make an air yau or stuff it with tungsten shrapnel, and detonate it at the right height so that the kinetics and scatter finish their job, sobsno they wrote about the dagger, after separating from the carrier, it goes in the horizon, maneuvers, and then gains altitude and from there dives at the target with a set of max speed

[Sergey Sfiedu]

And then, logically, it slows down and aims at the target. About the fact that he needs to slow down for guidance, the authors of cartoons are modestly silent, And that maneuvering at such speeds is very limited, they also try not to spread.

[Alber alber]

If this is an air nuclear power plant, then there is no need to slow down, the comrade described it very well below.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Galleon

It is necessary to fly in from the zenith to the most nadir, hitting such a target along a vertical trajectory is much more fun.

those. Movie Transformers - shows the correct direction of the attack on the aircraft carrier?
The Americans did not take into account such a development of events in their cinema ...

:)

[businessv]

This fact suggests that a single missile strike of the Dagger hypersonic complex may be enough to completely destroy not only the lead aircraft carrier AUG, but also all the aircraft carrier strike group.

For persuasiveness and determination to the striped crews of all aircraft-carrying cruisers, they could have been honored with impressive, believable computer graphics!

[Alexander Yaroshenko]

Brad, drunken kremlebot with his dreams of a prodigy

[Imperial Technocrat]

It will be difficult to hit the reactor with hypersonic sound. 1 The dagger will damage and permanently disable the aircraft carrier. To sink, you need 3-4 even such heavy missiles as the Dagger. Well, either a thermonuclear warhead

[zenion]

Awesome 2500 thousand aircraft wing. Where will the 2 million be there?

[Kobris]

Forrestal in 1967 and the Enterprise in 1969 had one Zuni missile each. Both episodes culminated in massive fires on the flight deck. With explosions of ammunition and fuel tanks ready for takeoff. Yes, the aircraft carriers returned to their bases on their own. But the ships could no longer perform their basic functions. Not to mention the burned out or thrown overboard planes. The Forrestal took about ten months to complete. The Enterprise was under repair for three months.
Of course, Forrestal is not George W. Bush, but Zuni is far from Dagger. Of course, one could say that the aircraft carriers were simply out of luck. True, this luck largely depended on the training and coherence of the crews. And also from their combat experience. The above components were just not enough. Draw conclusions ...

[And why do you need]

The author of the article forgot to add the number of aircraft that took off from the deck and did not reach the nearest airfield. So the calculations would look more accurate.

[Alber alber]

The sofa is not a sofa, but if you still imagine the explosion of a vertically diving Dagger, not even a version of the apple or the usual head part, but, say, with a head stuffed with tungsten balls, well, or depleted uranium, but just good steel, all this shrapnel lies in a funnel of the required diameter and explodes on the order at the most effective height to create a dense field of flying more than 12m with huge kinetics, but there it seems from the avik and the nearest vessels there will be little that is suitable for use for their intended purpose, mostly drifting and slowly leaving vessels.

[3danimal]

Here's the problem with you .. Kindal is a solid propellant aeroballistic rocket. And 12m has trajectories at the maximum, the engine does not work for long, the rest of the path is by inertia.

[Alber alber]

And what's the problem with you, 12m is just the maximum, which by inertia, but even such inertia for a rocket flying in quasi-ballistic, still needs to be typed, the Yankee does not work

[3danimal]

What does the Yankees have to do with it? Take an interest in the speeds of their BRS (M) D - about 10m.
You mean that they do not have aeroballistic missiles in service? They were earlier, then removed. Different concepts and priorities.
Iskander-M dives at the terminal stage at a speed of about 3M, which allows it to detect a target (optical seeker) and correct the course. The dagger is his air launch variant. To hit the target, 500kg warheads are used, not "kinetics".

[Alber alber]

Examples of US aerobalistic rockets are at least 5,5mach, respectively, since aerobalistics, it means that you need to manage somehow, you can't direct it in advance. Well, about the concepts and priorities because of which it was worth giving up the weapons that they are trying to create now.

[3danimal]

They focused on CD.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAM-63_RASCAL
Just 5-5,5M, not bad for the late 50s.
The point is different. You can remodel the BRMD for an air launch.

[Alber alber]

Just about 5,5 max, there is no word, 3 max when diving!, A fun attempt to create an initially unusable cr, are there any serious examples?

[Alber alber]

1max is 340m / s, calculate the dive speed Iskander - M, I believe in you

[3danimal]

Lower your self-importance

At the same time, he added that the rocket maneuvers both in height and direction. Its speed when approaching the target is at least 700-800 meters per second.
Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/iskander_01/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko

For some reason, not 6 or 12M. Probably because of the atmosphere ..

[AKS-U]

Boldly. Damn brave. In an ideal situation.

[Smooth]

Quote: EMMM

I believe that a cast-iron blank weighing 300 kg at a speed of 7M from an angle of 60 degrees and a pitch of 25-30 degrees, when the side is pierced in the midsection area, will break the structure in half. The laws of physics.

I would very much like to, but alas, it will not break.
Why?
So after all, the "laws of physics" ... Something could have happened, in the sense of breaking, if the adversary aircraft carrier itself would have been a monolithic blank, which does not correspond to the objective reality that exists outside of us and independently of us.
By the way, has it ever occurred to you why gunpowder is poured into the shells and cartridges, and not, for example, gasoline? After all, gasoline emits about 12 times more heat than gunpowder. The Creator himself ordered to replace gunpowder with gasoline and defeat all adversaries one or two.
Or is there a catch? Yeah. There is a catch. And what is it? And the fact is that 1 liter of a mixture of gasoline and air during combustion "gives out to the mountain" 50 times less gases (in volume) than one liter of gunpowder. The laws of physics ...
With the "cast-iron" blank the same garbage - there is a catch. I am afraid that after breaking through the side or deck armor, the blank (at a speed of 7M from any angle) will simply disintegrate into small-small fragments, which will successfully get stuck in bulkheads and equipment (and in the carcasses of adversary Moremans) a little in depth, but not very far from the aircraft carrier. Yes, I don’t argue, "hole", I beg your pardon, the hole from the blank in the armor will greatly exceed the diameter of the blank itself. But, and only ... The laws of physics, you know ...
So, it is not for nothing that the designers of the anti-ship missile warheads fill these same warheads with explosives, regardless of the missile speed, and do not make them "cast-iron" ... Such things ...

[Klingon]

you do not take into account the flight speed of the blank. A meteorite, for example, is also a "blank", sometimes of stone, sometimes of nickel or iron. And if you look at some of the craters, you can imagine what a pig with a significant mass can do when it hits at a certain speed. Of course, both the speed and mass in your example are much less than the cosmic ones, but the kinetic energy will be large, and with a mass of 500 kg and a speed of 7 M, warheads will not be needed at all. The whole problem is that the Dagger is a modified missile from the Iskander complex. this rocket is aeroballistic. accordingly, the speed of Mach 7 will have at the top point of the flight trajectory after which it falls on the target

[Sergey Sfiedu]

A meteorite on the ground and a rocket on a ship are completely different things. Even a subsonic anti-ship missile without a warhead simply pierces the ship through and through. If you're lucky, fires start, usually from a running PKR engine. The same will happen when a supersonic object hits the ship. The ship is almost certainly incapacitated, but not the AUG.

[Alber alber]

A bullet on the battlefield with the same core could only be stopped with a very viscous compensating material, also a family here, only the "bullet" is huge and the filling can be any, physics, it is physics from all sides

[Klingon]

Quote: businessv

Quote: EMMM

The laws of physics.

With such speed and weight, the released kinetic energy of such an impact cannot even be imagined!

at such speed and MASS! you are confusing weight and mass! this is fundamental in physics. because weight is the vector quantity with which the body stretches the suspension or presses on the support. Mass is a scalar quantity. That is why here, strangely enough, the formula T = (mx V ^ 2) ÷ 2
here T is the received kinetic energy, m is the mass, and V is the velocity

[Angelo Provolone]

According to representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system is capable of striking enemy targets not only on land, but also at sea

UAC, USC, Gazprom, Rosneft and other structures - these are the missiles that hit and tear our state apart from the inside ...
For example, DOM RF. They just wrote out the awards:

Payments of remuneration to key executives of the state-owned company "Dom.rf" and its subsidiaries in the first half of 2018 compared to the same period last year increased by 53% - to 1,389 billion rubles, according to the statements of the state company.

What will happen to the US Navy aircraft carrier?

How interesting! Especially when it is questioned from the KLA

[Charik]

Then the answer should be this - the aircraft carrier with its group will need more fuel, because running away from the Dagger at the maximum they will increase the consumption, hence it follows that it is worth increasing the volume of fuel purchased from the Russian Federation of oil and gas, then at the end of last year, only 150 thousand tons were taken -You need to take more 300 thousand per month

[Krilion]

no one will attack an aircraft carrier with a missile with a conventional warhead - this is practically useless and ineffective, no matter what they simulate .. only with a nuclear warhead ... moreover, if it comes to attacking aircraft carriers, then there will be a full-scale nuclear conflict with the use of the entire nomenclature of nuclear weapons ... the issue of individual aircraft carriers will no longer be relevant ..

[Paramon Pictures]

As if banged so as not to splash in the oceans

[Bershet]

well, let's bang

[DominickS]

A spherical horse in a vacuum of some kind. To begin with, you need to approach the launch range, which will be problematic, because the avik will be grazed by its own air wing and escort, which can easily intercept the missile carriers.

[SVD68]

For some reason, it was initially assumed that aircraft from aircraft carriers can shoot down everything, but no one can.
And let's write: the aircraft carrier's wing will be shot down by fighters covering the dagger carriers, and the escort ships will receive their own dagger.

[U-58]

If a vertical blow is expected, then at a speed of 12 M it can pierce through the ship. In this case, the warhead can be an ordinary blank from the victor.
But since the aircraft carrier itself never goes, but as part of a group guarding it, the strike will most likely be nuclear and, most likely, air, to cover everyone at once.

[3danimal]

Consequently, a war with the use of nuclear weapons began? Including, against the airfields from where the Mi-31 are launched?

[U-58]

If we proceed from the fact of our strike on the aircraft carrier, then the war has begun. The enemy aircraft carrier is a strategic target, because its main task is to cover and defend the nuclear submarine.
Consequently, a war with the use of weapons of mass destruction began.
With the defeat of nuclear weapons. Drowning, and the airfields of the carrier "Daggers" MiG-31 ...

[3danimal]

IMHO, hopes for a wunderwaffe are not constructive. Another thing is to increase the number of Calibers in the RCC variant. They have a lot of speakers.

[U-58]

And what, in fact, is so dear to you Caliber. This weapon has its own niche and this is indisputable.
But this is still a limited niche.
Not a panacea. There are tasks that Caliber cannot solve with words at all.
In particular, it is rather ineffective to hit the aircraft carrier with Calibers.

[3danimal]

Not a panacea.

So it does not exist in principle.
Nor is the Dagger. The carriers will see long before the attack (E-2), they will be destroyed. The missiles will be fired on for most of the flight, for the SM-6 (of which many have already been received) the possibility of intercepting ballistic missiles in the final phase has been declared.
The caliber is good for the variety of carriers (how many converted MiG-31s?). And it is quite effective. Flies at low altitude for long range.
Plaque stars always work. Yes, it is not easy to organize. Learn to learn

[U-58]

The MiG-31 is a carrier of Daggers, not Calibers, and in this form is a system for the operational destruction of the most urgent targets in the operational-tactical depth, including in the oceanic zone.
Nuclear caliber is a system for the second and subsequent strikes against troops and infrastructure during protracted actions in conditions of weakened enemy air defense.
Personally, I see it that way, although, of course, not the best in combat planning.

[3danimal]

how many converted MiG-31s?)

It was a hairpin in relation to the "Dagger".
Caliber has many more conventional carrier options.

[SVD68]

I remember the death of the battleship Roma. The dagger may have a lower mass than the Fritz-X, but an order of magnitude greater speed. So, depending on the point of impact, it will either disable the aircraft carrier or destroy it.
The explosion of the reactor is possible like Chernobyl or Fukushima. Those. there is a possibility that it could cover other AUG ships with radioactive materials. Or maybe just melt the bottom of an aircraft carrier and drown in the ocean.

[Nehist]

As a rule, "Fritz" pierced the ship through and exploded only in the water below it. (C) This is from the official records

[SVD68]

The case with Roma is indicative of the fact that the first hit shows the consequences of a through penetration, and the second - an internal explosion of high power next to the dangerous parts of the ship.

[3danimal]

Let me remind you that in the end they found Fritz's weak point - the shelling of the operator plane.
A high-altitude noticeable target can be seen from afar. For the S-400, an interception speed of 4800 m / s and a ballistic missile interception range of 60 km are declared.
For SM-6 - the ability to intercept a ballistic missile (did not find the speed and range).
It is more important to see the target, and the means of destruction are there, or they will be created quickly. As it was once considered invulnerable superhigh or supersonic bombers.

[max702]

In the ocean of sracha, the most important thought apparently drowned, namely, did they solve the issue of target designation and the work of the AGSN in the final section? Everything else is no longer important .. Whether there is a special warhead or not, it does not matter, with such percussion hr-kah, if it gets into any boat, it will get bad for anyone .. Can it get into an actively maneuvering target is the main question!

[shinobi]

At a speed of 12 mach (3900 m / s), the aircraft carrier will look like a stationary target, even with a conventional homing system, all the more so the otic channel with the silhouette recognition function is now shoved wherever the internal volume allows.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

At this speed, the aircraft carrier will not look at all. There are still no means of aiming at this speed. In order for a rocket to target an aircraft carrier, you need to slow down the rocket at least twice.

[shinobi]

You have lagged behind life by about 20 years. Previously, everything depended on the size and price of the guidance unit. In the mid-80s, only on the price, and therefore these devices were installed only on ICBM nuclear units. What do you think, why the circular deviation of the blocks has sharply decreased ( some 15 years) from 800-1200 meters (in 1970) to 80-100 meters (in 1985)? Since the late 90s, the standard of accuracy is considered to be in a square of 10 by 10 meters. The combat unit, not the newest, flies at a speed of 4,1 , 4,3-60 km / s. This is, as it were, at the moment, beyond any hypersonic ammunition. There are ways to aim. And the aiming methods themselves are more than XNUMX.

[max702]

So I'm talking about a moving target, and not about a stationary point with known coordinates .. It’s not a problem to get into it, but the same aircraft carrier which is not only moving forward but also not predictably to the side is a big question! And this is the most difficult thing in hypersound ... The plasma cocoon around the striking part blocks both radio waves and does not allow the use of optical guidance devices ... If this problem is solved then the fleet oh ...

[shinobi]

There are as many methods of shooting at moving targets as there are artillery in general and naval artillery in particular. Or do you still think that hitting an airplane with an anti-aircraft missile is easier than hitting a ship from an airplane?

[max702]

By the way, yes, if this issue has been resolved in anti-aircraft missiles, then the will of the local analysts about the impossibility of homing heads on the Dagger is incomprehensible .. The speeds there are similar, the sizes allow .. Then the fleet is just oh ..

[shinobi]

So they are the same "Analytics"! The exact knowledge and analysis of the analysis of the sofa strategist from the media are different things and do not intersect with each other. Although it is enough to raise the archive footage of the results of anti-ship missiles firing at decommissioned cruisers to understand how a direct hit with a dagger into an aircraft carrier will end.

[3danimal]

It will fly up to AB at a speed of 3M, no more.
In 1s, it will shift by 15m.
And what do you call a "normal GOS"? GPS guidance?

[shinobi]

By the reflected signal, it works and the thermal signature. Simple as scrap.

[3danimal]

Ie PARL GOS? Who will irradiate AB?
According to the thermal signature .. Question: when the fairing is heated to 500+ degrees (this is when flying by 2,5-3 M), how to “catch” a much colder and more distant AB?
In addition, such a missile (large, slower) is very vulnerable to air defense systems. The radars of which are located on the EM, located to the side (the attack "from above" on the AB will not be in their blind zone).

[shinobi]

This is not for me, I do not know the details. The fairings on conventional anti-ship missiles with a cruising speed of Mach 250 heats up to 300-2,5 degrees. Somehow, our gloomy geniuses solved this issue.

[3danimal]

The fairings on conventional anti-ship missiles with a cruising speed of Mach 250 heats up to 300-2,5 degrees

It is only valid for an altitude of 11-25 km (390 'temperature rise). With a further decrease in dense layers, t increases to 520 '. And it's not in the "braking points" (there are about 810 ')

Somehow, our gloomy geniuses solved this issue.

We decided! Using the ARL GOS. Not heat.

[3danimal]

The Iskander (air launch version of which is the Dagger) uses an optical seeker, providing good accuracy when attacking a stationary target, in cooperation with GPS (Glonass).

[3danimal]

Here is what I found:

For example, when investigating the XB-70A aircraft in flights at altitudes of more than 21000 m at a speed of M = 3, the temperature of the leading edges of the air intake and leading edges of the wing was 580-605 K, and the rest of the skin was 470-500 K. The consequences of increasing the temperature of the aircraft structural elements to Such large values ​​can be fully appreciated if we take into account the fact that even at temperatures of about 370 K organic glass softens, which is commonly used for glazing cabins, fuel boils, and ordinary glue loses strength. At 400 K, the strength of duralumin is significantly reduced, at 500 K chemical decomposition of the working fluid in the hydraulic system and destruction of seals occur, at 800 K titanium alloys lose the necessary mechanical properties, at temperatures above 900 K aluminum and magnesium melt, and steel softens

https://testpilot.ru/review/term.htm

[Evil 55]

That's right .. The points of possible hit are determined correctly and the damage done too.

[January]

Very expert opinion. And if a brick - then on the felling. Straight to the captain's head ...
If it hits, if it destroys, if it detonates, if a reaction starts and if it leads to an explosion, then yes ... If they are very close, the whole AUG is a probable Arctic fox. Unless the experts are wrong, of course.

[Lesorub]

What Happens to a US Navy Aircraft Carrier When Hit by a Hypersonic Dagger Missile: An Expert Simulation

Depending on where it hits, the aircraft carrier is full of weak points - the reactor, aviation fuel, security warehouses, etc., so with a successful combination of circumstances, 1 - 2 missiles may be enough to disable the aircraft carrier.

[Pavel57]

Given the stated speed there will be a neat hole in the deck.

[Wolf]

Do they eat physicists here? Consider 500 kg (even without an explosion) and an impact at a speed of 12 MACHES? What is the kinetic energy of such an impact?
Just basic high school physics Mass x acceleration = Force
Meteorites are dangerous precisely because of this law of physics!

[Last centurion]

I like reasoning. But will there be anything left of the aircraft carrier if it is hit by a nuclear warhead? even nearby, a hundred meters away, the answer is no: 1. all of the “meat” ones will not be torn apart and burned by the shell shock. 2. High temperatures will cause secondary fires of everything that burns. especially flammable (surprising, right?). 3. All aircraft will be blown off the deck. 4. A war between the Russian Federation and the United States or China can only be nuclear and will only end in global extinction. Those who think otherwise, watch the video of the consequences of simply burning forests now on the west coast of the United States. but imagine that everything and everywhere is burning:. Houses. fields. enterprises. animals. people etc. So piss piss and there’s no point in yelling at each other

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Why did you decide that only nuclear? Tomorrow in Syria, our soldiers and the Yankov soldiers will start hitting each other in the faces, so - should they immediately launch ICBMs into the capitals or what? Presidents are people too, they also want to live.

[aba]

It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines
Modeling is a useful thing, it allows you to save a lot of money. But it would be great if the model were based on some practical data other than the speed of the rocket. Or do they exist and we don’t know about them?!

[Esaul]

And where is the modeling? Article at the 5th grade level of high school.

[Charik]

British intelligence spoke about a missile with an infinite range - “Suddenly, like in a fairy tale, a door creaked”

[Yuriy Malyshko]

Where is the iksperd's signature?

[Yuriy Malyshko]

"Military Review", a little more and I will block you. You can't go as low as the baseboard!

[Alexander Terentyev]

No one is going to send the MiG-31 into the distant sea. US aircraft carriers will be destroyed by our Varshavyankas, which are on combat duty in the Atlantic - quietly and unnoticed. A torpedo strike below the waterline, and a pile of scrap metal will go under water in 5-10 minutes. The Fleet Command will not be able to convey this news to the Pentagon, because... communication systems will be destroyed. So calm down, dear "anti-experts"

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Varshavyanka is weak for this matter. And the PLO in the West is not bad.

[123456789]

What will happen to a US Navy aircraft carrier if it is hit by a hypersonic Kinzhal missile:

He/she will drown

[Igor Semenov]

It’s a pity the Pentagon doesn’t read VO

[Alexandra]

You've heard about the PAK DP program - the program to develop a heavy interceptor to replace the MiG-31? He will also not be able to conduct close-in air battles with front-line fighters, will he?

Let's return to the MiG-31BM. And so - this is a heavy interceptor. Why would an interceptor with a supersonic cruising speed of M=2,35 (combat radius at this speed is 720 km) and the ability to attack an enemy AWACS aircraft at a distance of ~300 km engage in close-range maneuverable air combat with front-line (tactical) enemy fighters?

“If the F-22 entered a dogfight on a G-9 turn, then we did something wrong,” says Burbage, as the concept of the application is formulated as “first to see, first to shoot, first to shoot down.”

PS On January 19, 1991, a 3rd generation MiG-25PD interceptor of the Iraqi Air Force shot down a 4th generation F/A-18C combat aircraft of the US Navy. Tell me how, in 1991, the inability of the MiG-25PD to conduct close-in maneuverable air combat prevented these few Iraqi 3rd generation interceptors from conducting air battles with 4th generation fighters and demonstrating high survivability in them? Can you tell me how the excellent ability to conduct close maneuver battles helped the 1991th generation MiG-4 fighters of the Iraqi Air Force in air battles with American F-29C fighters in 15?

[shinobi]

People fight, not equipment. The Mig-25 and F-15 are machines of the same class (the tasks are really different) and it’s not particularly difficult for them to take down the Mig-29 or F-18 (also classmates). It all depends on the experience of the pilots.

[Alexander Terentyev]

Nobody will send the MiG-31 into close combat. He has very expensive weapons designed to destroy large and very important targets. You deliberately write about the huge turning radius in order to downplay its combat capabilities. The MiG-31 can also conduct air combat at low speeds, at which its turn will be sufficient to fight a light fighter (if close-range missiles are attached). But the game is not worth the candle - why hit a mosquito with a cannonball?

[shinobi]

Nothing new in general. We took statistics from the Second World War on the combat effectiveness of aircraft carriers. It was enough for one attack aircraft and one 500-kilogram bomb to hit the deck. Actually, little has changed since then. If the deck is damaged, the aircraft carrier becomes floating junk. At least with some super-duper stuffing and mega-aviation. For those interested, I recommend watching the 2019 film “Midway”. The film is sound and without pathos, with Hollywood quality, it shows how it was then. Filmed entirely based on documentary data.

[set of sets]

As far as I understand, tests with hypersound have been going on for a long time and just as long ago they came to the conclusion that there is no need for a charge (except for nuclear weapons, of course). At this speed, any blank will produce a high-power explosion, converting enormous kinetic energy into thermal energy.
I can assume that tungsten will pierce, if not through, then the hole will still be significant.

[Ax Matt]

Thanks for the tip, we'll put it there
But, I would still hit the wheelhouse with all these lampshades.

[esaul1950]

What if you try it with a slingshot?

[Vasya Vasiliev_2]

we still need to increase the missile’s flight range...the current half a kilometer is not enough...the plane will be shot down a hundred times while still approaching

[ecolog]

what will happen?, what will happen? - you will be a shish kebab (c)
What, are the reactor compartments so large that no matter where you poke the Dagger, you’ll end up in the reactor?
Not every “suitcase” of battleship caliber ended up in the shell magazine of another battleship.
Of course, I don’t understand anything about this, but most likely there will be a large hole in this huge ship with decent, but not fatal, destruction. And then, depending on your luck, you will destroy a galley with a latrine or a tank with fuel and lubricants for airplanes. Plus how the crew will work to save the ship and 100500 other circumstances.

[3danimal]

Aeroballistic rocket, solid fuel. How does it hit a target moving at 30 knots? And there must be a GOS.
Which gives a good chance of disrupting targeting using megawatt electronic warfare on escort destroyers.
Also, at low altitudes the speed will decrease noticeably, 12M is the maximum at high altitudes. It will be visible from afar, SM-6 allows you to attack ballistic missiles (with appropriate speeds).
There will be no “golden bullet”.

[Smooth]

Quote: Klingon

you do not take into account the flight speed of the blank.

It’s the speed that I take into account. The thing is that at high speeds of interaction, the physical picture of this very interaction differs sharply from the usual one. With an increase in the speed of impact of the striker (i.e., the blank in this case) with a spaced barrier (and an adversary aircraft carrier is precisely a spaced barrier) up to a certain value (2 km/s), the penetration depth increases, and then it begins to decrease due to an increase in the diameter of the hole in a barrier. By 3,5 km/s, the penetration depth drops significantly - three times, or even more, compared to a speed of 2 km/s. Further, with an increase in speed to 8 km/s, the penetration depth grows slightly, with a significant increase in the diameter of the hole...
I highly recommend looking at the last chapter on this issue (Chapter 13, High-speed collision of bodies) in the book by Orlenko L.P. Physics of explosion and impact: Textbook for universities. - 2nd ed., rev. - M.: FIZMATLIT, 2008. - 304 p.

[Alexandra]

The final speed of the "Dagger" when hitting a target is high supersonic.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214914715000471

Optimal trajectory and heat load analysis of different shape lifting reentry vehicles for medium range application

"The terminal boundary conditions correspond to the penetration requirements of a conventional warhead. It is desirable that the warhead may be able to strike a target at maximum possible velocity and a high impact angle close to 90°. For bi-conic re-entry shapes , the impact velocity is close to 700–1000 m/s. Impact speed of 1300 m/s is the material limit beyond which the warhead becomes plastic [25]. Use of lifting reentry vehicles gives the military planners to strike a particular target at the desired angle and speed. Too high impact speed improves the performance of the warhead alone but raises the maximum dynamic pressure limit of the reentry body. This implies a higher structural limit and higher empty weight. For the current study the maximum terminal speed is considered to be 720 m/s at an impact angle of 80°. The requirement was modeled as a terminal constraint."

[Lew]

all that's left to do is get there

[rica1952]

The probability of an aeroballistic missile hitting an AUG is low.

[Klingon]

Quote: Sergey Sfyedu

A meteorite on the ground and a rocket on a ship are completely different things. Even a subsonic anti-ship missile without a warhead simply pierces the ship through and through. If you're lucky, fires start, usually from a running PKR engine. The same will happen when a supersonic object hits the ship. The ship is almost certainly incapacitated, but not the AUG.

I meant the ship (aircraft carrier) and not the entire AUG. in order to destroy the entire AUG at once, you will need a special BC of at least 10 KT, and there the speed of the warhead carrier is not so fundamentally important, the main thing is that it reaches the target area

[Yuri Vasilievich-2]

It would be better for experts to model by what means they would detect not the aircraft carrier itself, but at least the AUG. How and from what carriers will they reach the missile launch range using the AUG. What is the probability of a missile hitting an aircraft carrier with a conventional explosive and one with a nuclear one, at least in an AUG formation. And why hit the aircraft carrier if by this time it had already moved its planes to ground airfields of NATO countries. Well, before the oncoming naval battle we still have to poop and poop in our pants.

[Peter Shmakov]

Nuclear war will happen, idiots!

[Nikita Vinogradov]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

We need to argue, not pour out miasma...

[Nikita Vinogradov]

Quote: Volder

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Another pseudo-crap from "experts"

Try to reasonably refute what you specifically disagree with. This is not to be a pseudo-fucking commentator;)

Some people here are very fond of indiscriminately agreeing to disagree...

[Gelos]

And what kind of tree do they want to perch this racket on?