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Why did they change the end date of World War II

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Why did they change the end date of World War II

September 3 marks the Day of Military Glory of Russia - the Day of the end of the Second World War. The corresponding decree was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin in April 2020.


August storm


In accordance with the allied commitments to the United States and Great Britain, the USSR entered the war with the Japanese Empire. On April 5, 1945, Moscow informed Tokyo of the denunciation (termination) of the neutrality pact between the USSR and Japan of April 13, 1941. The Soviet side noted that the Japanese were allies of Germany, which attacked the USSR. Also, the Japanese Empire is at war with America and England, the allies of the Russians. As a result, the Soviet-Japanese agreement lost its meaning.

On August 7, 1945, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Stalin and Chief of the General Staff Antonov signed Directive of the Supreme Command Headquarters No. 11122 to the commander-in-chief of the Soviet troops in the Far East, ordering three fronts (Transbaikal, 1st and 2nd Far Eastern) to start military operations against Japan on August 9. On August 8, the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Molotov summoned the Japanese ambassador, Naotake Sato, to whom, on behalf of the Soviet government, made a statement that the Soviet Union would consider itself at war with the Japanese Empire from August 9. On August 10, supporting the allies, Mongolia entered the war against Japan.

On August 9, 1945, Soviet troops launched an offensive. In the very first days, Soviet armies broke into the defenses of the Japanese Kwantung Army. Soviet aviation struck at the enemy's military installations, the most important railway stations and junctions, airfields and ports. The communications and communications of the Japanese army were largely disrupted. By August 14, Soviet troops defeated the enemy in the border zone and entered the operational space, rapidly advancing to the main vital centers of Manchuria. Japanese strong border fortifications fell, the troops suffered heavy losses, the command lost control and communication with most of the units.

In this situation, on August 14, the Japanese government issued a decision on unconditional surrender. On August 15, the imperial decree of surrender was broadcast on the radio in the Japanese Empire. Beginning on August 18, Japanese troops began to surrender. However, not all Japanese units were laid down weapon immediately. Following the orders of the military command, the troops continued to fight. In the existing unit, the Soviet command formed mobile and well-armed detachments that were supposed to operate in isolation from the main forces. Also, air and sea landings were used to capture important military facilities and large vital centers of Manchuria and Korea. On August 18-24, Russian troops occupied Changchun, Harbin, Jirin, Dalian-Dalny, Port Arthur and Pyongyang. By the end of August, blocked resistance centers, fortified areas and garrisons of the enemy had layered weapons. Separate centers of resistance were suppressed by September 10. On August 11-25, our troops defeated the Sakhalin Japanese grouping and returned South Sakhalin. In early September, Russian troops finished off the enemy grouping in the Kuril Islands.

Thus, the Red Army made a decisive contribution to the end of the Second World War. Without the USSR's action against Japan, the Japanese would have fought for a year or two, which would have led to large losses of allied troops and huge casualties among the civilian population of the Japanese islands and China. On August 29, the commander-in-chief of the Soviet Far Eastern group, Marshal Alexander Mikhailovich Vasilevsky, ordered the abolition of martial law on the Soviet territory of the Far East from September 1. On September 3, Vasilevsky reported to Stalin about the end of the Japanese campaign. According to updated data, the enemy lost over 700 thousand people, including more than 640 thousand prisoners. The losses of the Soviet troops were: irrecoverable - over 12 thousand people, sanitary - over 24 thousand people.

The Soviet government generously rewarded the participants in the war with Japan. Over 2,1 million people were awarded orders and medals, including 308 thousand - military ones. 93 soldiers and officers were awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, more than 300 formations, units and ships were awarded orders, 25 received the title of guards. The honorary names of the Khingan, Amur, Ussuriysk, Harbin, Mukden, Port Arthur, Sakhalin, Kuril and others have been assigned to more than 220 formations and units. By the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated September 30, 1945, the medal "For Victory over Japan" was established. More than 1,8 million people were awarded this medal.


Lieutenant-General K.N. Derevianko on behalf of the USSR signs the Japan Surrender Act on board the American battleship Missouri

Victory over Japan


The formal surrender of Japan took place on September 2, 1945, aboard the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. For Japan, the Act of Surrender was signed by Foreign Minister Shigemitsu Mamoru and Chief of General Staff Umezu Yoshijiro; on behalf of the Allies, Supreme Commander of the Allied Armies, General of the United States Army Douglas MacArthur, on behalf of the United States - Admiral fleet Chester Nimitz, England - Admiral Bruce Fraser, USSR - Lieutenant General Kuzma Nikolaevich Derevyanko, China - General Su Yongchang.

On September 3, 1945, the Soviet press published Stalin's appeal to the people. It spoke of the end of the war with Japan. The Soviet leader noted that our state had a "special account of Japan." We avenged the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, which "fell on our country as a black spot." For forty years the Russian people had been waiting for just revenge. And then this day has come. We returned South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, got free access to the ocean. We took revenge for the Japanese intervention of 1918-1922, when the Japanese attacked Russia, occupied the Far East, tormented and plundered our people for four years. In 1938 and 1939. Japan again attacked the USSR in the area of ​​Lake Hassan and Mongolia. The Japanese leadership planned to cut the Siberian railway and seize the Far East. Now the aggressor has been destroyed.

On the same day, by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of September 2, 1945, September 3 was declared a holiday of victory over Japan. For two years (1945 and 1946) this day was a holiday and a non-working day. On September 16, a victory parade over Japan was held in Harbin, it became the only one. Marshal Vasilevsky was urgently summoned to Moscow, so the parade was received by General A.P. Beloborodov, and it was conducted by Lieutenant General of Artillery K.P. Kazakov. The capital of Manchuria has never known such a celebration. Thousands of people filled the streets and squares. Soviet and Chinese flags. A sea of ​​flowers and thousands of slogans, banners in Russian, Chinese and Korean, which glorified the greatness and bravery of Soviet soldiers and their leader, Generalissimo Stalin.

At 11 o'clock, Colonel-General Beloborodov, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, arrived at the square where the units of the Harbin garrison were lined up. He received a report on the readiness of the troops for the parade and, accompanied by the commander of the parade, Lieutenant General Kazakov, began to go around the troops. Hurray thunders, then Beloborodov rises to the podium and delivers a speech. The parade begins. There is infantry, the best fighters are led by generals, Heroes of the Soviet Union Cherepanov and Batrakov. The infantrymen are followed by signalmen, sappers and mortars. The guards mortars are followed by motorized infantry, artillery and Tanks... This is how the parade of the indestructible might of the Red Army passed.



Parade of Soviet troops in Harbin in honor of the victory over Japan

Date change


In May 1947, September 3 became a working day, although no one officially canceled the holiday. Gradually, the date of September 3 began to be forgotten, and the end of World War II began to be celebrated on September 2.

In April 2020, the State Duma decided to restore historical justice and restore the celebration of September 3. This proposal was made by one of the best commanders of the Chechen campaign - Hero of Russia, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov, the former commander of the Airborne Forces. In the State Duma, Shamanov has headed the Defense Committee since 2016. The State Duma adopted this bill, the Federation Council approved it. On April 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the relevant law. Corresponding amendments were made to the law "On days of military glory and memorable dates in Russia." Article 1 of this law was supplemented with the paragraph "September 3 - the day of the end of World War II (1945)".

Thus, historical justice was restored in Russia. This day recalls the decisive role of the USSR-Russia in the victory over Japan.

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  1. siberalt
    siberalt 3 September 2020 05: 24 New
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    I wonder how long the USSR was feeding 640 thousand Japanese prisoners?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 3 September 2020 05: 53 New
      +3
      repatriation up to 50 years went in my opinion.
      1. rich
        rich 3 September 2020 07: 20 New
        +7
        a few photos from that period
        Japanese soldiers hand over their weapons to a Soviet officer. 1945 g.

        Colonel of the Red Army with the surrendered soldiers of the 88th Japanese division in the Coton area. August 1945

        Acceptance of surrender in Japanese warehouses. Fuxin, China, September 1945

        Japanese prisoners in Manchuria, 1945
        1. rich
          rich 3 September 2020 07: 22 New
          +6
          extension
          A column of captured Japanese soldiers on Harbin Street. September 1945

          Column of Japanese prisoners of war. Vladivostok, 1945
          1. rich
            rich 3 September 2020 07: 30 New
            +5
            Japanese POW camps
            Front camp for Japanese prisoners of war in Mudanjiang. Manchuria, 1945

            Japanese prisoners of war camp in Nakhodka. 1950 g.

            Construction of the Farhad hydroelectric power station. Uzbekistan.

            Construction of a bridge by Japanese prisoners of war in the Irkutsk region.

            "Japanese" construction. Nakhodka, Krylov Street. 1947
      2. rich
        rich 3 September 2020 07: 37 New
        +6
        repatriation up to 50 years went in my opinion.

        Repatriated Japanese soldiers in the port of Maizuru, Japan, 1946

        A column of repatriated Japanese before being loaded onto the train. 1948

        Sending Japanese prisoners of war home. Nakhodka, 1950

        Meet the repatriated Japanese at home.

        Repatriates at home. 1950 g.
      3. Sergey Oreshin
        Sergey Oreshin 4 September 2020 20: 00 New
        +1
        Like until the mid-50s? Somewhere I met data that the last Japanese prisoners of war were released either in 55, or in 56. But I can't vouch for the accuracy
    2. BAI
      BAI 3 September 2020 10: 35 New
      +4
      On April 22, 1950, TASS issued an official statement on the completion of the repatriation of Japanese prisoners of war. Reports of the GUPVI Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR indicate that the number of repatriated in 1946-1950. There were 510 409 military personnel in the Kwantung Army: 488 thousand officers and soldiers left the camps of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and individual working battalions of the Ministry of the Armed Forces of the USSR, and another 22 409 people left the Mongolian People's Republic, North Korea, and also from the Liaodong Peninsula.

      But only in 1956 the last Japanese prisoner of war left the Soviet Union: in the USSR after May 1950 there were still fifteen hundred people convicted of war crimes. On October 19, 1956, the warring parties entered into an agreement to end the state of war, which served as an incentive for the completion of repatriation. On December 23, 1956, when the Joint Declaration of the USSR and Japan on the cessation of the state of war came into force, the prisoners of war who remained in the USSR, who had been released early from serving their sentences, boarded the ship in Nakhodka.


      Here are some good graphic memories of the life of the Japanese in captivity
      https://visualhistory.livejournal.com/279848.html
      They are large, I can't cite everything, so a few "excerpts":



      1. Free wind
        Free wind 3 September 2020 10: 46 New
        +3
        Yes, figs there, they left, I know a Japanese prisoner of war who did not leave the USSR, and lived until his death, worked as a driver. my name was Uncle Sasha, I don't know what my name was in my passport. The pictures are interesting, you still need to know what is written.
      2. Free wind
        Free wind 3 September 2020 11: 01 New
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        The signatures are rather sad, the Japanese admired Russian girls.
      3. rich
        rich 3 September 2020 11: 07 New
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        Here are some good graphic memories of the life of the Japanese in captivity


        Thanks you BAI, for the curious pictures .. The striped Nazi robes of the Japanese prisoners of war especially laughed. But it seems that the Japanese were already painting at home. And during the captivity, their "artistic attempts" were completely different. yes
        A lesson of Japanese prisoners in political education, and the study of the latest issue of the newspaper for prisoners of war "Nippon Shimbun" .
        The picture was drawn by one of the prisoners in the camp number 16 in the Khabarovsk Territory.

        And it was also established that the prisoners of war, before leaving for their homeland, had to write a collective gratitude to the Soviet leadership and, of course, to Stalin. Such messages to the leader were made out in the form of a gift offering in beautifully decorated cases or even on special stands. More than 200 albums are still kept in the Russian State Military Archives, in which the Japanese left thanks to Stalin and praised life in the USSR. By the way, there are not only albums, but also a huge banner with gratitude and signatures of Japanese prisoners. All letters are embroidered with gold threads, which were pulled from the shoulder straps of Japanese officers. smile
        link: https://wwii.space/японские-военнопленные-в-советском-с/
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 3 September 2020 17: 28 New
          +4
          It was a diary with pictures. in striped robes, they were Germans. They sometimes communicated with each other. In the taulets, we talked sometimes so that no one would hear us. Russians love to sing, if one sings, then others often join them. Russians know some words, and sumo too, but they don't know the rules, if they win they say thank you. You can get used to the cold, but some freeze. Like that. The Japanese also writes, we were given rice, although the Russians had it worth its weight in gold. !!!!
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 3 September 2020 15: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: siberalt
      I wonder how long the USSR was feeding 640 thousand Japanese prisoners?

      There were about 300 thousand Japanese there, the rest were Manchus and Chinese.
    4. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 4 September 2020 01: 06 New
      -1
      Not long at all. We had a Japanese cemetery - they were buried half a meter. A wall in the taiga, no one knows why ... they were completely destroyed there. The survivors assimilated, such surnames as Lyusyan or Vainshu were not uncommon for us.
      1. Sergey Oreshin
        Sergey Oreshin 4 September 2020 20: 03 New
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        These are not Japanese names.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 5 September 2020 11: 41 New
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          Well, what happened.
          1. Sergey Oreshin
            Sergey Oreshin 5 September 2020 14: 10 New
            +1
            Rather like the Chinese. Maybe some of the captured Chinese collaborators were sitting in your places?
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 5 September 2020 20: 43 New
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              Quite possibly. Only there were a lot of them. And we called it the Japanese cemetery. I'll tell you a scary thing now - having a skull as an ashtray from this cemetery was cool. Well, I was then 12 years old - there were no brains at all.
  2. Fitter65
    Fitter65 3 September 2020 05: 33 New
    +6
    On April 5, 1945, Moscow informed Tokyo about the denunciation (termination) of the neutrality pact between the USSR and Japan of April 13, 1945
    maybe from April 13 1941?
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 3 September 2020 16: 20 New
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      Quote: Fitter65
      maybe from April 13, 1941 after all?
      Well yes! And it turns out that at first it was terminated.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 3 September 2020 05: 51 New
    +6
    With all due respect to Shamanov, I consider it wrong to call him a commander. not the level of victories. Ushakov. Kutuzov. Nakhimov. and Shamanov next to them well, just like that ...
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 September 2020 05: 55 New
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    I was taught at school on September 2, now historians remembered about 3m ..
    But what's the difference? The main thing is that the Kwantung army has been gouged!
    So, HAPPY HOLIDAY, dear FORUM residents!
    And the last to fall in that damned war - eternal memory.
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 06: 35 New
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      We had different schools, and I was taught this by illustrative example.

      In our village, four of these medals were brought home.
      1. rich
        rich 3 September 2020 07: 07 New
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        Soviet postcards of that period








        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 3 September 2020 09: 25 New
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          I turned the calendar over ...
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    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 September 2020 11: 08 New
      +5
      THANKS to "minusers"! You would at least read the post to the end, bad people (to put it mildly) ...
      For the sake of interest - did you not like the congratulations on the date of the end of the war or the words of mourning about the dead Soviet and Mongolian soldiers ?!
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 3 September 2020 06: 11 New
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    World War II from September to September ..
    1. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 3 September 2020 09: 19 New
      +2
      We still need to decide on the start date!
      It is doubtful that 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 09: 50 New
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        Quote: VIK1711
        It is doubtful that 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX.

        suggest yours. Again the old bagpipes about the "Munich Agreement", etc.?
        1. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 3 September 2020 10: 50 New
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          suggest yours. Again the old bagpipes about the "Munich Agreement", etc.?

          China and Japan signed a surrender?
          When did they start fighting? 07.07.1937/XNUMX/XNUMX?
          Didn't we fight the Japanese near Lake Khasan and Khalkhin-Gol?
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 11: 21 New
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            Quote: VIK1711
            China and Japan signed a surrender?
            When did they start fighting? 07.07.1937/XNUMX/XNUMX?

            Who cares when we started. China declared war on Germany and Italy on December 9, 1941, Japan on December 10. Formally, dear, he entered the world war a day later than Honduras.
            Quote: VIK1711
            Didn't we fight the Japanese near Lake Khasan and Khalkhin-Gol?

            And what does this have to do with it? These were border conflicts.
            Enough for an owl for a globe.
            1. Vikxnumx
              Vikxnumx 3 September 2020 13: 38 New
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              And what does this have to do with it? These were border conflicts.
              Enough for an owl for a globe.

              The conflict is considered borderline until the army enters the battle, and only PV are fighting ...
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 13: 43 New
                +2
                And, so it was a war, it turns out. But Comrade Stalin did not consider these conflicts a war. As is the official historiography. Do you also consider the Liberation campaign of the Red Army in September 1939 to be a Soviet-Polish war?
                1. rich
                  rich 3 September 2020 14: 20 New
                  +3
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. how to screw on a poster?

                  Nothing too complicated
                  1.save the desired image to your PC
                  2 click the icon on your comment

                  3.in the window that opens, click on this button

                  find the saved file on your PC, select it and press "open"
                  4 in the window that opens, be sure to check the box under the image and press the "insert" button
                  .

                  All. yes No more than 5 images can be inserted in one comment
                  Something like this.
                  Good luck
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 15: 14 New
                    +3
                    "Glory to Marshal Stalin!"
                    1945g.
                    )
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 3 September 2020 16: 02 New
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                Quote: VIK1711
                The conflict is considered borderline until the army enters the battle, and only PV are fighting ...

                He-he-he ... what are you arguing about? It was said in 1940:
                After all, keep in mind that for the entire existence of Soviet power, we have not yet fought a real modern war... Minor episodes in Manchuria, near the lake. Hasan or in Mongolia - this is nonsense, this is not a war, these are isolated episodes in a strictly limited patch. Japan was afraid to unleash a war, we didn’t want that either, and some test of strength on the spot showed that Japan had failed. They had 2-3 divisions and we have 2-3 divisions in Mongolia, the same number on Khasan. Our army has not yet waged a real, serious war. Civil war is not a real war, because it was a war without artillery, without aircraft, without tanks, without mortars. Without all this, what a serious war is this? It was a special war, not modern. We were poorly armed, poorly dressed, poorly nourished, but still we defeated the enemy, who had much more weapons, who was much better armed, because it was mainly the spirit that played a role here.
                © self-aware
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 4 September 2020 19: 29 New
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              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              China declared war on Germany and Italy on December 9, 1941.

              And how many shots did the Chinese fire towards the Germans? My estimate is 0 (zero, zero). Yes, and to the victory over Japan clinging like the French to the victory over Germany. The Japanese had every right to speak about the Chinese about Keitel about the French:
              Quote: Field Marshal Keitel
              How, and these also defeated us?
              1. Sergey Oreshin
                Sergey Oreshin 4 September 2020 20: 06 New
                +1
                The Chinese fought with the Japanese since 1931 (fighting in Manchuria) and fully in 1937. Yes, not very successfully, but they pulled off a significant part of the Japanese land army. And some operations were completely successful for the Chinese and sometimes they quite decently "pecked" the "samurai".
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 3 September 2020 14: 12 New
            +4
            Quote: VIK1711
            Didn't we fight the Japanese near Lake Khasan and Khalkhin-Gol?

            These are not wars, but limited conflicts. Which both sides tried very hard not to inflate to a full-fledged war.
            Blucher, by the way, according to the results of Hasan, was accused of including the announcement of mobilization in the Far East, arguing that the mobilization could provoke a full-scale war.
        2. PROXOR
          PROXOR 8 September 2020 16: 23 New
          +1
          Well, what to call the signed agreement between Chamberlain and Hitler. As a result of which the Czech Republic was awarded?
  6. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 3 September 2020 08: 53 New
    -7
    Isn't it time to change the start date of WW2? September 1, in principle, does not fit into this event from any parameters. Although for me there was no WW2, for us there were two wars, for Britain its own wars, for the United States its own, and allies are small things.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 09: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Isn't it time to change the start date of WW2?

      "And what - and we will swing!" (from)
      wassat
      I vividly imagined a picture - a special commission of the State Duma for the revision of historical dates, after a month, well-paid picking in the nose by a strong-willed decision, moves the start date of WWII from September 1 to September 3, 1939.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 3 September 2020 13: 31 New
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        This is not it. For us WW2 began on June 22, 1941. I would generally remove this term from textbooks.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 13: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          For us WW2 began on June 22, 1941.

          yes, consider it as you like. It does not change anything.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 3 September 2020 16: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          For us WW2 began on June 22, 1941. I would generally remove this term from textbooks.
          What term? What kind of porridge is in your skull?
          The Patriotic War began on June 22, 1941! She was part of the World. World War is also called for certain reasons!
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 3 September 2020 18: 14 New
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            What the hell is WW2. Are you saying that on September 1, 1939, most of the world's countries met: Germany and Poland? For you, slaves at heart, everything that has been invented in the West must be accepted. World, real it is precisely on June 22, 1941, the attack of most European countries on the USSR, this is World, before that there was a bunch of wars from two or three countries, which cannot even be called a war.
            What is the reason why on September 1 the beginning of 2 MB?
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 3 September 2020 21: 18 New
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              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              Are you saying that on September 1, 1939, most of the countries of the world met: Germany and Poland?
              It all starts from the beginning. In the World War, not all pulled up at once. It became World only in mid-September, after France, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Newfoundland, the Union of South Africa and Nepal declared war on Germany.
              1. Viktor Sergeev
                Viktor Sergeev 4 September 2020 21: 00 New
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                Oh how. It turns out the world is France, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Newfoundland, the Union of South Africa and Nepal. Well, how did these countries fight there in 1939? It was a war of the countries of the British Union against Germany, but in reality no one fought.
                But what does September 1 have to do with it?
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 4 September 2020 22: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Victor Sergeev
                  But what does September 1 have to do with it?
                  A war began, into which countries from all inhabited continents were drawn. What's wrong?
                  The Great Patriotic War is part of the Second World War.
                  1. Viktor Sergeev
                    Viktor Sergeev 5 September 2020 12: 09 New
                    0
                    As I understand it, on September 1, all continents were drawn in? And maybe then September 3? Could you name when the battles began with the participation of troops on all continents?
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 5 September 2020 18: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: Victor Sergeev
                      As I understand it, on September 1, all continents were drawn in?
                      Read over and over again until you understand, because what you have understood is radically wrong!
                      Quote: Simargl
                      The war began, in which pulled in (I hint: first - it began, then - they pulled in) countries from all inhabited continents.
            2. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 4 September 2020 01: 51 New
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              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              This is not it. For us WW2 began on June 22, 1941. I would generally remove this term from textbooks.

              )))

              You are partly right. WWII began in September 39th (if you do not accept the point of view of the Europeans), ended in September 45th. It was a war between Britain and its allies against the Axis.

              The USSR fought its own separate war, the Second World War, from June 41st to May 45th. It should not be confused with WWII.
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              World, real it is precisely June 22, 1941

              World, really, this is December 11, 41, when, having declared war on the United States, Hitler (and Mussolini) united the European and Asian theaters of war.
              1. Viktor Sergeev
                Viktor Sergeev 4 September 2020 07: 29 New
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                Well, and the war between Germany and Japan with Britain does not unite these theaters? From the moment Germany attacked the USSR, Mongolia and Tuva got into the war, the same Asia, and the USSR is also in Asia and Europe.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 4 September 2020 08: 14 New
                  +2
                  At the expense of Britain, one can agree, then the theater union will move out on December 8 (local time). At the expense of the Mongolian People's Republic and the People's Republic of Russia, firstly, these are unrecognized states, and secondly, the Mongolian People's Republic did not declare war on European countries. In June 41, the USSR was not a participant in the Pacific War, so its conflict with Germany remained European.
            3. Revolver
              Revolver 4 September 2020 19: 39 New
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              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              World, real it is precisely on June 22, 1941, the attack of most European countries on the USSR, this is World, before that there was a bunch of wars from two or three countries, which cannot even be called a war.

              And the fact that before that Germany defeated France, and Britain put in a knee-elbow position at Dunkirk and actually locked it on the islands? Also like the little things? And by the way, the breakthrough of the Mannerheim line was also an episode of World War II, although it was somehow not advertised in Soviet and Russian sources. But in vain. The Red Army then did what was considered impossible.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 19: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Simargl
            What kind of porridge is in your skull?

            well, judging by
            Quote: Victor Sergeev
            For you, slaves at heart, everything that has been invented in the West must be accepted. World, real it is precisely June 22, 1941, the attack of most European countries on the USSR,

            rich. On machine oil.
            Now something about "rewriting history" will wrap up. They love it.
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 4 September 2020 07: 30 New
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              As I said, the slaves have neither logic nor arguments, they always repeat after the master. Well, are you going to explain to me with porridge in my head what happened on September 1, 1939, what can be considered the beginning of WW2?
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 4 September 2020 08: 09 New
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                Quote: Victor Sergeev
                So you're going to explain to me with porridge in my head

                Taking into account the categorical tone you have adopted, I will not even try to break through the specified substance in your head) Continue to fight with historical calendars.
                "I'm not a hunter of nonsense" (c)
                1. Viktor Sergeev
                  Viktor Sergeev 4 September 2020 17: 26 New
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                  Don't try it right, it still won't work. People like you do not think on their own, they are parrots repeating other people's nonsense.
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 4 September 2020 17: 43 New
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                    What is this stupid dive for? They heard you, expressed their attitude to the stupid promise to revise historical dates. I do not agree with you. All, apparently, hirelings of the West, who cannot 'think independently'.
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 3 September 2020 09: 58 New
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    In May 1947, September 3 became a working day, although no one officially canceled the holiday. Gradually, the date of September 3 began to be forgotten, and the end of World War II began to be celebrated on September 2. (VO) /// [b] On September 2, every year since 2010, Russia has celebrated a memorable date - the Day of the end of World War II. Established by amendments to the federal law "On days of military glory and memorable dates in Russia" dated March 13, 1995, signed by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on July 23, 2010.

    The international legal basis for establishing a memorable date is considered to be a document that marked the end of World War II - the Act of Japan's surrender, signed on September 2, 1945 on behalf of the United Nations by representatives of the allied states, including the USSR, which were at war with Japan.
    Disingenuous a little IN! It would be more correct that the day of the end of WW2 was practically not celebrated in any way, only mentioning (!) The dates ... then September 2, then September 3! Officially (!) The date of September 2 is celebrated in the Russian Federation since 2010! I must say that the Sakhalin Oblast has always celebrated September 3 "semi-officially" as the Day of Victory over Japan ... as the Day of the Liberation of Sakhalin and the Kuriles! Only in 2010 they began to "celebrate" officially on September 2 ...
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 4 September 2020 17: 31 New
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      Are you sure that WW2 ended on September 2 or even 3?
      PRESIDIUM OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE USSR
      DECREE
      January 25, 1955
      On ending the state of war between the Soviet Union and Germany

      [145] On June 22, 1941, as a result of the treacherous attack of Hitler's Germany, the Soviet Union found itself in a state of war with Germany. By their selfless struggle together with the peoples of the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition, the Soviet people defeated the Nazi aggressors and liberated the peoples of Europe, including the German people, from fascist enslavement. At the Potsdam Conference in 1945, the ways of further development of Germany as a single, peaceful and democratic state were determined, and the need to conclude a peace treaty with Germany was confirmed.
      The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR considers it abnormal that, although about 10 years have passed since the end of hostilities with Germany, Germany is still in a state of division and does not have a peace treaty, and the German people continues to be in an unequal position in relation to other peoples.
      The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR states that the policy of the United States of America, England and France, aimed at remilitarizing West Germany and its inclusion in aggressive military groups, which found expression in the London and Paris agreements, did not allow reaching the necessary agreement on restoring the unity of Germany on the peace-loving and democratic foundations and conclude a peace treaty with Germany.
      Bearing in mind the strengthening and development of friendly relations between the Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic, based on the recognition of the principles of sovereignty and equality, taking into account the opinion of the Government of the German Democratic Republic and taking into account the interests of the population of both East and West Germany,
      The Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR by this Decree declares:
      1. The state of war between the Soviet Union and Germany ceases and peaceful relations are established between them.
      2. All legal restrictions arising in connection with the war with respect to German citizens who were regarded as citizens of an enemy state lose their force.
      3. The announcement of the termination of the state of war with Germany does not change its international obligations and does not affect the rights and obligations of the Soviet Union arising from the existing international agreements of the four powers concerning Germany as a whole.
  8. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 10: 20 New
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    All the same, to be honest, I don't understand the original logic of dating a little - comrade Stalin in his Address says:
    .Today, September 2th, Japanese representatives signed an act of unconditional surrender ...
    This means that the end of World War II has come.

    And right there below the Decree on the celebration of September 3rd.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 3 September 2020 11: 25 New
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      Anyway, to be honest, I don't understand the original logic of dating a little.
      Yes, Stalin was fine with logic. The war is considered over with the signing of the corresponding document. The act of surrender was signed on September XNUMX.
      The whole problem is the increased use of history in propaganda. Therefore, the scam begins. It is enough to read the above-mentioned Decree, which establishes not the day of the end of the war with Japan, but the day of the celebration of the victory over Japan... So it is written that September 3 is the day of the national holiday of victory over Japan.
      But the propagandists have "forgotten" this fact, otherwise how can they pedal the topic of "rewriting history" and play fanfare about "restoring historical justice."
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 11: 43 New
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        Remember how in the old "Yeralash" - "I realized that they do not intersect. But I did not understand WHY they do not intersect ..."))
        Why not set the date of the cap-tion signing as the date of celebration?
        And the invariable demand of the masses for the "restoration of historical justice" (whatever that may mean), of course, is and is growing in proportion to the growth in the number of enemies and villains around Rossiyushka).
  9. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 3 September 2020 11: 56 New
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    Thus, the Red Army made a decisive contribution to the end of the Second World War. Without the USSR's action against Japan, the Japanese would have fought for a year or two, which would have led to large losses of allied troops and huge casualties among the civilian population of the Japanese islands and China.



    Of course, I understand everything, but this is an obvious substitution of concepts. I do not believe from the word at all. Yes, we cleaned the area, but the outcome was already obvious. The metropolis was in the ring of allies and without any prospects.
    The decisive contribution was in the western direction, but here just all the years the Japanese were hammered by the Americans.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 4 September 2020 01: 52 New
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      Quote: Fibrizio
      Of course, I understand everything, but this is an obvious substitution of concepts.

      This is Samsonov, he sees so.
  10. 3-e-09
    3-e-09 3 September 2020 12: 23 New
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    I believe that the victorious country has the right to set the dates for the beginning and end of the war itself. Of course, the general picture is spoiled by the fact that the formal surrender of Japan took place on September 2, 1945, aboard the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. Why not on one of the ships of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR? Anyway. And the difference between the date of Japan's formal surrender and the date of an official holiday in the Russian Federation can be attributed to the difference in time zones. Then everything is correct.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 13: 13 New
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      Quote: 3rd-09
      And the difference between the date of the formal surrender of Japan and the date of the official holiday in the Russian Federation can be attributed to the difference in time zones. Then everything is correct.

      What is right? The surrender was signed on September 2 at 9.02 am Tokyo time. It's 3.02 Moscow time.
      Quote: 3rd-09
      Why not on one of the ships of the Pacific Fleet of the USSR?

      or aboard a Chinese junky? The merits of the Pacific Fleet and the US Navy in the war against Japan are incomparable.
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        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 13: 40 New
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          Quote: 3rd-09
          Respected! Well do not disgrace yourself! Especially for you, simple and affordable about time zones!

          simple and affordable: -6 hours. It is 9 am in Tokyo, 3 nights in Moscow. What's wrong?

          Quote: 3rd-09

          PS And yes! What does the US Navy have to do with it? Have you heard anything about the defeat of the billionth Kwantung Army? Drowning a Japanese ship at sea and crushing the billionth Kwantung Army is incomparable!

          Hrenase - "what have the merits" ... You, along the way, began to study the history of the Second World War right from August 1945?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 3 September 2020 16: 07 New
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            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Hrenase - "what have the merits" ... You, along the way, began to study the history of the Second World War right from August 1945?

            I am plagued by vague doubts ... ©
            Quote: 3rd-09
            smash billionth Kwantung Army

            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 16: 14 New
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              I heard the legend about Meehan at VO ...
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 3 September 2020 16: 30 New
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            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            simple and affordable: -6 hours. It is 9 am in Tokyo, 3 nights in Moscow. What's wrong?
            Your globe is spinning in the wrong direction. Twist.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 16: 38 New
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              09.00 (morning) Tokyo time - how much is Moscow time?
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 3 September 2020 16: 39 New
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                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                09.00 Tokyo time - how much is Moscow time?
                3 nights (the same date, if anything!).
                If you move to California, then the date will become -1, i.e. 9 o'clock on September 2 in California is 19 o'clock on September 1 in Moscow.
                Cons victims of the exam stumbled?
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 16: 48 New
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                  Quote: Simargl
                  (the same date, if that!).

                  point out where I claimed to be a different date.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  If you move to California


                  What the hell is California when it comes to Tokyo?
                  Here is my original line:

                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Quote: 3rd-09
                  And the difference between the date of the formal surrender of Japan and the date of the official holiday in the Russian Federation can be attributed to the difference in time zones. Then everything is correct.

                  What is right? The surrender was signed on September 2 at 9.02 am Tokyo time. It's 3.02 Moscow time.

                  what does not suit you? Where in my words about "another day"?
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 3 September 2020 20: 55 New
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                    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    what does not suit you? Where in my words about "another day"?
                    Not satisfied with everything! Especially vague position on the "controversial" islands (in my opinion - so one controversial - Hokkaido).
                    Excuse me 3-e-09 confused
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 21: 08 New
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                      Quote: Simargl
                      Especially vague position on the "controversial" islands (in my opinion - so one controversial - Hokkaido).

                      ??
                      whose "indistinct position"?
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 3 September 2020 21: 25 New
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                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        whose "indistinct position"
                        Our. Although we refused all the begging for the islands, the position of the authorities is not unambiguous: for some reason Abe had hopes!
                        ... although ... quit ...
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 21: 32 New
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                        Quote: Simargl
                        the position of the authorities is not unambiguous:

                        Amendments were made to the Committee - what else is needed?
                      3. Simargl
                        Simargl 3 September 2020 21: 39 New
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                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Amendments were made to the Committee - what else is needed?
                        So it is now possible to distribute on K-i territory without the demand of the people.
      2. Alf
        Alf 3 September 2020 19: 01 New
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Hrenase - "what have the merits" ... You, along the way, began to study the history of the Second World War right from August 1945?

        Dear Colleague! That you clung to your opponent, this is another reincarnation of Karbine, and he has been living in his reality for a long time. It is a pity that from time to time he finds access to the computer from his room in the yellow house.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 19: 10 New
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          Alas for me, alas ...
  11. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 3 September 2020 13: 40 New
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    The surrender was signed on September 2 at 9.02 am Tokyo time. It's 3.02 Moscow time.

    Is it like that ???
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 13: 45 New
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      Quote: VIK1711
      Is it like that ???

      what exactly?
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        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 14: 10 New
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          Quote: 3rd-09
          And you give an answer in essence, liberal!

          you are not rude, buddy, first of all.
          Secondly, it is now 20.00 in Tokyo, and 14.00 in Moscow.
          That is, if the surrender was signed at 09.02 (Tokyo), then in Moscow it was 03.02 of the same day, that is, on September 2.
          Quote: 3rd-09
          and you still dodge and dissemble

          what nonsense? I am not in the habit of throwing beads.
          Quote: 3rd-09
          talk about the "merits of the US Navy"!

          well, who else will enlighten you? Make yourself comfortable, I'll tell you about the US Navy operations in the Pacific Ocean.
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            1. Vikxnumx
              Vikxnumx 3 September 2020 14: 32 New
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              1. Japan's formal surrender took place on September 2, 1945, aboard the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. The American battleship Missouri is a US territory located in the Sea of ​​Japan, taking into account time zones.
              2. The actual time of Japan's surrender in Moscow (Moscow time) - September 3, 1945!
              3. Check your checkmate!

              Where is the date line?
              How did the time of Moscow overtake the time of Tokyo?
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 14: 53 New
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                Quote: VIK1711
                How did the time of Moscow overtake the time of Tokyo?

                I don’t understand either ... Scientists call it countermotion - movement towards the time continuum. Sun from west to east. Clever boy beyond his years.
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 14: 46 New
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              Quote: 3rd-09
              1. Japan's formal surrender took place on September 2, 1945, aboard the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. The American battleship Missouri is a US territory located in the Sea of ​​Japan, taking into account time zones.

              Japan's Surrender Act is signed Tokyo time.
            3. Simargl
              Simargl 3 September 2020 16: 37 New
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              Quote: 3rd-09
              1. Japan's formal surrender took place on September 2, 1945, aboard the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. The American battleship Missouri is a US territory located in the Sea of ​​Japan, taking into account time zones.
              Yes, but time was counted down Tokyo (this is a city in Japan such) time!

              Quote: 3rd-09
              2. The actual time of Japan's surrender in Moscow (Moscow time) - September 3, 1945!
              What is it like? It was 3 nights in Moscow ... September 2.

              Quote: 3rd-09
              3. Check your checkmate!
              Go to school, go to your geography teacher. He will show in which direction the globe should be turned.
              Checkmate to you children's!
      2. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 3 September 2020 14: 30 New
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        The Japanese Surrender Act is an agreement to end the resistance of the Japanese armed forces that ended World War II. 20.08.1945/02.09.1945/10 representatives of the Japanese command were presented with a draft Act prepared by the headquarters of the commander-in-chief of the allied occupation forces, Army General D. MacArthur. The act was signed on 30/26.07.1945/XNUMX at XNUMX:XNUMX am Tokyo time on board the US battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. On behalf of Japan, the act of surrender was signed by Foreign Minister Shigemitsu Mamoru and Chief of the Japanese General Staff, General Umezu Yoshijiro, who represented the government and the headquarters of the emperor. On behalf of the allied victorious powers, the act was signed by General MacArthur, from the United States - Admiral Ch. Nimitz, from China - General Su Yongchang, from Great Britain - Admiral B. Feyser, from the USSR - General K. Derevyanko, as well as representatives of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France and the Netherlands. The act recognized the terms of the Potsdam Declaration on July XNUMX, XNUMX and ordered all Japanese troops, wherever they were, to surrender immediately and release prisoners of war. It was ordered that "The power of the emperor and the Japanese government to govern the state will be subordinate to the high command of the allied powers, which will take such steps as it deems necessary to implement these conditions of surrender."

        N.A. Gerulaitis.

        Russian Historical Encyclopedia. T. 1.M., 2015, p. 222.

        Yes, the discrepancy in time ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 14: 58 New
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          Quote: VIK1711
          The act was signed on 02.09.1945/10/30 at XNUMX:XNUMX am Tokyo time aboard the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay

          look at the original: the defeated signed at 09.04, MacArthur - at 09.08

          Apparently 10.30 is the end of the ceremony?
  • Bronekot
    Bronekot 3 September 2020 17: 48 New
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    We need prisoners in the Far East now !!