American expert: The cruiser "Peter the Great" can turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for the missiles of the destroyer Zumwalt

The US press has published material that presents the reasoning of the American military expert Harold Hutchison, who believes that the main rival of the US Navy's destroyer Zumwalt may be the Russian cruiser Peter the Great. Hutchison said that between "Zamvolt" and "Peter the Great" could take place "a serious sea battle, since both ships have powerful missile weapons."

As of today, the destroyer USS Zumwalt carries on board up to 80 Tomahawk missiles, and the Russian Navy ship carries long-range Granit anti-ship cruise missiles. Added that "Peter the Great" is capable of carrying missiles with nuclear warheads and can simultaneously attack versatile targets: surface ships, submarines and weapons aviation.

At the same time, the American military expert believes that the USS Zumwalt has significant advantages over Peter the Great. This is a stealth technology implemented at Zamvolta and high maneuverability. But Hutchison does not mention that it was with the maneuverability of the newest American warship that the problems arose. He repeatedly turned out to be stalled, including during the inter-naval transition after the introduction of the American naval forces.

From the material:

The cruiser Peter the Great was initially quite intimidating, but it was not equipped with stealth capabilities. And if today he will fight one on one with the USS Zumwalt, he will turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for his missiles.

Earlier in the United States, it was said that Zumwalt destroyers were going to install the latest weapon in the form of an electromagnetic rail gun (EMRP). But at the moment, such an idea was abandoned, since even without it, the destroyer cost the US military budget too much.

In addition, the US Navy still has not decided in what capacity to use the Zamvolt. While stopped at the landing support ship. This decision is called strange in the expert community, given that the ship was originally classified as a strike ship in the far ocean zone.

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[ReferralWOT]

as a bismarck ship powerful but can be at the wrong time in the wrong place

[Shilka]

This floating iron, that's the purpose of a luxurious billion dollars to the bottom, it will be nice to let it go ..

[NEXUS]

The cruiser Peter the Great was initially quite intimidating, but it was not equipped with stealth capabilities. And if today he will fight one on one with the USS Zumwalt, he will turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for his missiles.

Mattresses with this invisibility to the whole world have already been fucked up. They run like a written sack with this stealth technology, as if it were a panacea for any opponent a priori.
Zamvolt is primarily a destroyer, and it's ridiculous to compare one-on-one combat with a heavy cruiser, which is able to single-handedly fight a whole squadron of enemy ships (including submarines). And if we take into account the fact that the RCC Zircon will soon begin to arrive, then the very idea of ​​some kind of comparison in general becomes ridiculous.
At the same time, eksperD is modestly silent about the fact that Peter has a layered missile defense system, which Zamvolt essentially (in comparison) does not have. And old Harpoons, not the fact that this missile defense will pass.
I'm not even talking about the fact that no stealth-smals will simply not help Zamwalt in such a fight from the word at all.

[Same lech]

It's easier to blow up Poseidon off the docks of San Diego ... let the Zumwalt stay there.

[For example]

This is a stealth technology implemented at Zamvolta and high maneuverability.

Interestingly, aircraft with stealth technology do not need super-maneuverability, according to the assurances of the Americans.
And in a ship with a turtle, in comparison with a rocket speed, they saw high super-maneuverability.

Miracles and only.

Someone has a video with a sumvolt anti-missile maneuver
Share. Let's neigh together.

[sedoj]

Quote: For example

Someone has a video with a sumvolt anti-missile maneuver

With such contours it is very good to hide under water - it is convenient to dive.

[hydrox]

I disagree :: group diving (and Zamvolt does not go alone, every time three tugs carry him (he alone will not go 200 miles!)) - how will he attack the "Peter" with subsonic rotten stuff ??
Moreover, someone saw the result of launching Axes on a moving target?
That's right, nobody saw.
So Zamwalt will not see Zircon and will not be able to portray an "urgent submarine immersion" - he will simply drown from damage incompatible with life on the surface, maybe even without a fire - sea animals will be grateful

[Jager]

So the Estonian Navy last year fired a missile at it, by accident. Until it flew

[Pravodel]

For Peter the Great, the goal is an aircraft carrier with an escort, and the zumwalts ... so, for a snack, so as not to get bored. After all, you need to practice on something before the aircraft carriers and the escort of the landing of mattress mattresses with equipment moving in a convoy to the shores of Europe.

[Shilka]

Quote: NEXUS

Mattresses with this invisibility to the whole world have already been fucked up. They run like a written sack with this stealth technology, as if it were a panacea for any opponent a priori.

Definitely Andrey! Ours only laugh ... In Yugoslavia, their stealths were soaked by the old Soviet air defenses, I will not post photos .. And over Syria in general they are afraid to even fly close ..
And in general, smaller Amers would brag about their wunderwaves for billions of dollars .. First of all, they will end up with all possible means, and Russia already has them! Destroy communication satellites and EVERYTHING will go blind, this is one of the means.
And it would be better to begin to negotiate Russia is always ready, but on an equal footing !!!!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Shilka

Destroy communication satellites and ALL

It is enough to destroy the nearest AWACS. It has long been known that without AWACS, the Americans do not know how to fight. And if they can, then not much. In addition, the old "axes" with a subsonic flight speed, in our technological time, are simply knocked down with a "stick". With their "Zumvolt", let them threaten some African aborigines, but not Russia.

[Shilka]

Quote: orionvitt

It is enough to destroy the nearest AWACS. It has long been known that without AWACS, the Americans do not know how to fight.

Well, the amers have everything on communication satellites sharpened .. AWACS including. You are right!

Quote: orionvitt

In addition, the old "axes" with a subsonic flight speed, in our technological time, are simply knocked down with a "stick". With their "Zumvolt", let them threaten some African aborigines, but not Russia.

Thanks Namesake, I have the same opinion, only they poison me with cons for it ..
I remember the "axes" released a couple of hundred across Syria (under Trump already)
Mainly in milk, etc. The reasons are strictly classified ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Shilka

Definitely Andrey! Ours only laugh

The fact is that Zamvolt in its current form and with an arsenal sharpened essentially only against the coast (I do not consider anti-ship guns), a destroyer in the usual sense cannot be from a word at all. He stupidly himself from the enemy ship and his anti-ship missiles are not able to defend themselves. And then, of course, you can close your eyes and think that you will not be seen, but ... modern anti-ship missiles do not know about this, and they will find such a big target as Zamvolt quickly, without waiting for peretonit.
And what is Peter the Great? This is a Soviet monster from the era of ARSENAL SHIPS. And even now it has no equal at sea in its class of ships. That is why he is able to single-handedly fight an entire squadron of ships. Another question is that the era of arsenals is leaving and replacing, if I may say so, the mosquito fleet. Where frigates, corvettes and destroyers are the basis. In other words, why build one huge TARK, if you can build 5 frigates for this money, which are comparable in firepower to destroyers?

[Shilka]

Quote: NEXUS

And what is Peter the Great? This is a Soviet monster from the era of ARSENAL SHIPS. And even now it has no equal at sea in its class of ships. That is why he is able to single-handedly fight an entire squadron of ships. Another question is that the era of arsenal ships is leaving

You can't argue with that, you have outlined everything correctly .. And especially below!

Quote: NEXUS

Another question is that the era of arsenal ships is leaving and is being replaced, so to speak, by the mosquito fleet. Where frigates, corvettes and destroyers are the basis. In other words, why build one huge TARK, if you can build 5 frigates for this money, which are comparable in firepower to destroyers?

And even with missile modules in containers .. The easier it is, the better and more efficient ..
And let the cruiser "Moskva" still be under protection !!!!!
Power should be indicative and punitive.!

[bk0010]

Quote: Shilka

You can't argue with that, you have outlined everything correctly .. And especially below!

How can you argue: 1144 began as an anti-submarine. 20 anti-ship missiles are not equipment for an arsenal ship. The presence of developed own air defense, anti-aircraft defense and anti-aircraft defense systems is also not typical for an arsenal ship (Peter has all this, he can stand up for himself). The arsenal ship was originally supposed to be a barge with a bunch of cruise missiles. Really converted Ohio became the arsenal ship.

[Mikhail Ya2]

You got excited. Only one was shot down by the F-117 and another F-16. This is the entire asset of the Serbian air defense.

[Shilka]

Quote: Michael Ya2

You got excited. Only one was shot down by the F-117 and another F-16. This is the entire asset of the Serbian air defense.

Do you think this little? Those rocket men need to give a hero of the Soviet Union, for their courage and a keen eye !!!! They killed them of course for their insolence

[Mikhail Ya2]

Little or many, it is generally strange to apply here. But you wrote "stealth", which is not at all true. The Americans paid for their carelessness, flew the same route and on the same schedule. Here is the Serbian calculation and caught them.

[kenig1]

Losses confirmed by NATO, but in reality how? In 2001-2003, I studied at the Joint Armed Forces of the RF Armed Forces, and in the classes on the use of air defense, I also brought us information on the losses of NATO forces in Serbia, and believe me the numbers are orders of magnitude higher.

[Mikhail Ya2]

It is impossible to hide the loss of aircraft and pilots. Why did the Serbs only show the wreckage of these two aircraft?

[Prisoner]

So this is their idea-fix. They dream of shitting with impunity and that no one would notice. And for some reason everyone notices.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Shilka

This floating iron, that's the purpose of a luxurious billion dollars to the bottom, it will be nice to let it go ..

and from 20 to 27 lard for all three do not want? the first one with R&D cost around 7 billion ... one shot with an AGS 155mm gun costs $ 100 ...

[Archon]

It is not right. It would be better to damage the stealth cover so that they go broke for repairs.

[Thrifty]

Zumwalt is actually how you don't need to build warships! A lot of money, a lot of ideas, and the result is near zero! With the old cruise missiles on board, it is not difficult to launch it to the bottom, especially since before Peter the Great the Zumwalt will have to deal with Russian submarines. ..

[Shilka]

Quote: Thrifty

Zumwalt is actually how you don't need to build warships! A lot of money, a lot of ideas, and the result is near zero! With the old cruise missiles on board, it is not difficult to launch it to the bottom, especially since before Peter the Great the Zumwalt will have to deal with Russian submarines. ..

Well, there is still over and above the sound and other things .. I think "Moscow" will beat off and the ships accompanying it .. And this amersky iron is such a "sweet" goal !!!! Think guys a billion dollars to drown And their AUGs, this is also a fairy tale .. They say "Daggers" should pierce their abundance ... They will drown beautifully!
Eh amers .. Do not make Russians angry!

[NIKN]

Zumwalt destroyers are going to install the latest weapon in the form of an electromagnetic rail gun (EMRP)

Another one or what? One has already been set.

[Uncle lee]

cost the US military budget too much.

There, a shot with the main caliber reached a lemon of greens, where there the EMRP would stall again!

[NIKN]

Quote from Uncle Lee

- will stall again!

Well, yes.

[Uncle lee]

And they don't even know about the "curve starter"!

[Shilka]

Quote: Uncle Lee

And they don't even know about the "curve starter"!

Explain, what is it.?
And I understood everything, the cars started the UAZ like this, for example, to the Mazoli hehe

[Fitter65]

And if today he will fight one on one with the USS Zumwalt, he will turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for his missiles.

Well, I don't know what the percentage of crazy people are at this hour,
But if you believe the eyes and ears, several times more ... (V. Tsoi)

[Livonetc]

If Zamvolt is quickly submerged as a stationary object somewhere in the Mariana Trench, then yes.
This will be a big surprise for the cruiser Peter the Great.
Who will cover Zamvolt there.
He is invisible under water.

[Same lech]

Zamvolt quickly sink like a stationary object somewhere in the Mariana Trench

Better to do it at their home port ... San Diego ... cheaper.

[Wedmak]

First of all, you will cure Zamvoltu's sores. Take it out into the ocean. Otherwise, your 80 tomahawks weren't like a dead weight. If I remember correctly, there is no anti-ship missile in Zamvolta ... As well as a version of anti-ship missiles in the tomahawk.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Wedmak

First of all, you will cure Zamvoltu's sores. Take it out into the ocean. Otherwise, your 80 tomahawks weren't like a dead weight. If I remember correctly, there is no anti-ship missile in Zamvolta ... As well as a version of anti-ship missiles in the tomahawk.

This is for general development.

[Wedmak]

These are tests. Are they already in the cells on the ship?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Wedmak

These are tests. Are they already in the cells on the ship?

Well, you saw the start yourself. Algorithms of guidance are being honed. But you never know what else. And maybe they will make a universal one. Wait. It will be necessary to "dive" under the waterline.

[Wedmak]

I saw the trials from the ship. At the moment, they are not in the ammunition load of Zumwalt. This video is more than 3 years old, I have not heard more news about the RCC variant. There is no tomahawk-based anti-ship missile series. All the RCCs in the west are babies like Spear. Subsonic. A SAM only close combat with missiles of the RIM-162 type.
With the simultaneous detection of each other, Zamwalt simply has no chance of leaving "alive". One P-700 that has broken through will be enough. I doubt Rim-162 will be able to knock Granite off course, let alone knock it down.
Zamvolt without external target designation itself can do little against ships, despite drones and a turntable, while Peter has 3 full-fledged helicopters.
As a result, at the moment, Zamvolt simply has nothing to scratch Peter with. They will definitely not let him go to a cannon shot.
In general, a strange comparison, if we start over.

[Alex777]

Well, you saw the start yourself. They are perfecting the guidance algorithms.

In your film, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer launched a missile launcher from an Mk-41 VPU.
This system has been worked out for a long time and is successfully applied.
There is a modification of the KR / PKR for 1600 km.
Do you know that Zamvolta has completely different WPUs? Mk-57?
And even if you cram 80 CR into the Zamvolt mentioned in the article, then there will be no room for 1 air defense missile?

[parusnik]

Hmm .. modern ships in modern combat will shoot millions of money ...

[Poetry]

Where do they get such "experts" from? From Hollywood, I guess.

[akarfoxhound]

I wonder if it turns out "suddenly" that the stealth coating is peeling off from sea water, the crew walks exclusively in soft bike slippers, switches on the toggle switch and gas stations in the same gloves, and when power is supplied to the EMRP, its EMP "shines brightly" from Zumvolt and the whole ship is subsequently de-energized, well, and other dear ones

[Wedmak]

In my opinion, this Zamwalt is easier to convert into a yacht and give Trump as a present than to think about where to attach it. Let Donald have something to brag about.

[Vladimir_6]

American expert: The cruiser "Peter the Great" can turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for the missiles of the destroyer Zumwalt

The American expert's thought jumped out, did not have time to close his mouth. I would have thought better that Washington "could turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for the RS-28 Sarmat ICBM."

[rocket757]

Hutchison said that between "Zamvolt" and "Peter the Great" could take place "a serious sea battle, since both ships have powerful missile weapons."

Ravings of a madman. Everything is so good with them that now it is only necessary to talk about it?
Yes, the two "vigorous" powers will sort things out in this way ???

[cniza]

That's just the point, we will not fight the United States, and if we are not for long ..., all these ships are only to intimidate third countries that do not have a powerful Ya.O. , well, drive the pirates ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
Such a bunch of ... nonsense is dumped on the brains of the average man! it is not surprising that the brains of many are completely on one side!

[Kerensky]

The US press has published a material that presents the reasoning

At the VO on this issue, debate opens ...
Kind people! Earlier, at least the magazine indicated the title of "expert" .....

[bn44xcv]

Peter the Great is an excellent heavy nuclear missile cruiser that needs replacement in the near future, but it is not.

[jayich]

If only the will of the leadership of our country, at the Baltic plant it is possible even now to lay the building, the slipway is free on which Chernomyrdin was built, and the filling is all in iron, perhaps there will only be a problem in the gearboxes, but the price of the lard 3 forever dead American presidents will come out, and with this money it is better to lay 22350m pieces of 4, we have two times of running ships and we have missed it.

[Guru]

And if today he fights one on one with the USS Zumwalt

Now tell me at the mercy of this American military expert Harold Hutchison, what ??? Does he really think that some of the American admirals will send Zumwalt on a solo voyage? Well, maybe they will be able to send, but will they swim at least?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Some kind of nonsense. Firstly, today any battles of large warships "in a spherical vacuum" are impossible by definition - combat operations are conducted by heterogeneous forces with a mass of support equipment. With the same success one could predict the confrontation between Zamwalt and Peter somewhere in the African jungle. Secondly. Zamvolt, of course, can take 80 tomahawks, but it will almost completely lose air defense and anti-aircraft defense. 80 tomahawks is good, but how are we going to get away from the plane? Thirdly. And how will the tomahawk help against Peter? In fact, the anti-ship version was handed over for scrap long ago, the expert did not know? LRASM already then. And stealth is certainly not bad, but the effectiveness of this stealth against the GOS of a modern anti-ship missile is somehow unclear.

[Wedmak]

He is inconspicuous in order to approach the enemy's ship and, while he sleeps, imperceptibly lay out a packet of sanctions on his deck. And 80 tomahawks are so .. excuse.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And how will the tomahawk help against Peter?

Correct my namesake, if I'm wrong, but there are Harpoons. It is clear that they are as ancient as the excrement of a mammoth, but ... it's really too lazy to see if Zamvolt has these same Harpoons in the arsenal or not.
As for the PLO, the missile defense of the destroyer ... so why should the expert think about it? He has not played enough of tin soldiers in the sandbox.
I’m silent about the fact that EksperD considers and positions stealth technology as almost the best and more advantageous system, as an alternative to a full-fledged missile defense system. But Peter's missile defense is real, and these same Harpoons still have to go through it.
And finally, the moment that you are absolutely right here - what the hell is a one-on-one fight? Ships even in the WWII fought as part of the KUG. And there is a completely different alignment.

[Wedmak]

He has no Harpoons. He has nothing against the ship at all. Except for the guns. The truth is not in the know, whether their air defense system can shoot at surface or not.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: NEXUS

Correct my namesake if I'm wrong, but there are Harpoons.

There are no Harpoons :)))) They are not placed in the UVP, they need their own launchers, and Zamwalt does not have such.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

There are no Harpoons :)))) They are not placed in the UVP, they need their own launchers, and Zamwalt does not have such.

Well then AMEN Zavoltu. This is not a destroyer, but a huge target for ANY ship equipped with at least some kind of anti-ship arsenal.

[voyaka uh]

"The effectiveness of this stealth against the GOS of modern anti-ship missiles is somehow unclear." ///
----
If the GOS is equipped with a scanning IR video camera, then radio stealth will certainly not help.
But against an active radar in the GOS, stealth works just as well as against a passive radar for targeting anti-ship missiles from a ship.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: voyaka uh

But against an active radar in the GOS, stealth works just as well

As far as I understand, the reduced EPR reduces the detection and capture range of the missile's seeker. This is a nice bonus, but it's rather difficult to call it a key advantage ...

[tralflot1832]

If in the US the Navy has the same intelligence as this grief expert, then it becomes scary. Let their Zumwalt be brought to the North-East Asia, in the winter. In the summer, everyone knows how to fight. If an attack on Petrukha is detected, let them catch the answer in the pentagon, and longer according to the list of our General Staff.

[7,62x54]

As usual, Americans want to bite off more than they can chew

[shed]

amerskaya, though you were on this ship, I just love the stupidity of the coves, how much they pay you

[shed]

only $ lgbt is loved here

[APASUS]

USS Zumwalt is stuffed with electronics so that it glows from EMP like a Christmas tree. If you want to miss it, it won't work

[bn44xcv]

Quote: Observer2014

Quote: Wedmak

First of all, you will cure Zamvoltu's sores. Take it out into the ocean. Otherwise, your 80 tomahawks weren't like a dead weight. If I remember correctly, there is no anti-ship missile in Zamvolta ... As well as a version of anti-ship missiles in the tomahawk.

This is for general development.

This is called a steep dive.

[5-9]

And in what eighty year was the Tomahawk-PKR forgotten?

[Connor MacLeod]

By the way, what about project 21956? Is there a suitable power plant for him?

[Knell wardenheart]

Everything is like in Armata - to create created, new-new, breakthrough-breakthrough. And they won't understand what to do about it

[5-9]

Some nonsense .... Zamvolt has no anti-ship missiles at all ... what kind of sea battle could there be between them?

[PPD]

Compare Tomahawk with Granite is powerful!
What a battle will be between the ships! Especially considering that the Tomahawk ..... it's .... somehow along the coast, basically! Tough experts in the States, nothing to say.

[Fedorovich]

This requires the destroyer Zamvolt ...

[bn44xcv]

The cruiser "Peter the Great" can turn into a perfectly distinguishable target for the missiles of the destroyer Zumwalt
Today, 14: 43
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The same can happen the other way around and what.

[bn44xcv]

No one doubts this.

[sleeve]

O great god of stealth!

[Berkut154]

Compared square with green)))) and tomahawks do not carry a special combat unit type ??? How can you compare a 30 year old ship with a new ship ??? Zumwalt is a test of the pen in this direction of development of shipbuilding and the Navy, the Chinese have already copied it and sculpt a semblance .. The Americans, obviously, when they finish experimental operation, will make changes and put it into series.

[Ryaruav]

so it never occurred to you that your enemy he does not, and even say, possesses technology as far as the horizon is, well, let's say not quite so, but there is superiority in electronics, both aerial and underwater, but it is clear that we are not the last puppies, but always half a step and caught up

[immobile2008]

Quote: Uncle Lee

cost the US military budget too much.

There, a shot with the main caliber reached a lemon of greens, where there the EMRP would stall again!

At least up to a billion green, the more expensive the better their economy

[tralflot1832]

I don’t understand one thing in the underworld (a medical term vessel) without external target designation (there are no satellites anymore, something exploded there in space) I must turn on my radars to get targeting. 500 km for them that the earth is flat, over-the-horizon radars do not give precise coordinates or I am wrong?

[HMR333]

Is he even aware of the number of weapons of Peter the Great ?! Their iron will not work for him! Peter is carrying enough weapons to resist the group of ships without speaking about this non-rotary iron!

[HMR333]

And the big question is how will this iron behave in a storm with such a setting, will it not hang upside down?

[frfcv]

There is a saying, the quieter you go on will be, believe me they will reach .. if necessary.

[Ax Matt]

It's just that no one will NOTICE how the "Zumvolt" goes to the bottom ...

[川 建国]

Peter the Great from the Soviet Union, it was a lonely old man, and only this one.

[viktor_ui]

QUOTING THE AUTHOR: "But Hutchison does not mention that it was precisely with the maneuverability of the newest American warship that problems arose. It repeatedly turned out to be stalled, including during the inter-fleet transition after the introduction of the American naval forces into service" ... due to technical malfunction = problematic maneuverability ??? Wow, the conclusion ... Hutchison may be carrying a blizzard, but that's not a reason to drive that back. If I park my car near the store, then I have problems with maneuverability.

[silver_roman]

this is not an expert and an idiot. Well, what's the point in comparing individual ships? what does it give? this is for the chatter, for the article, for the content ... very poor quality content that does not reflect ANYTHING and does not mean ANYTHING.