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"Flying Chernobyls": Russian air and underwater complexes with a nuclear engine

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"Flying Chernobyls": Russian air and underwater complexes with a nuclear engine

On the eve of the United States called on Russia to stop developing "flying Chernobyls". This is how the US President's special envoy for arms control Marshall Billingsley called the latest Russian nuclear-powered missiles. According to him, in the United States they believe that it is weapon should not exist, as they represent a huge danger and a waste of funds. Earlier, Billingsley criticized the Russian projects "Burevestnik" and "Poseidon", urging them to close. So what is the US so concerned about and why is it calling for the closure of Russian projects?


A bit of history



The idea of ​​using a nuclear engine in aviation and rocketry appeared in the 50s of the last century, shortly after the appearance of the first nuclear reactors. Of course, the technologies of that time did not allow creating a compact nuclear reactor and an engine based on it, but both in the USSR and in the USA the possibility of creating different types of nuclear engines was studied. Of course, the research was carried out independently of each other.

Let's leave the development of the USA aside and turn to stories creation of atomic engines in the USSR. In the Soviet Union, work in this area was led by OKB-670 under the leadership of Mikhail Bondaryuk. Soviet specialists created a nuclear ramjet engine intended for modification of the Tempest intercontinental cruise missile (Product 375), the launch weight of which reached 95 tons, the range was supposed to be 8 thousand km. However, in 1960, the Tempest project was closed after the death of Lavochkin, and the creation of a nuclear engine remained at the pre-design stage.

Further, the Bondaryuk Design Bureau was engaged in the creation of nuclear engines for space and ballistic missiles, but not a single project reached the test stage. After the death of Bondaryuk, work in this direction was actually stopped until 1978, when a new design bureau was formed, in which former specialists who had previously dealt with ramjet engines were gathered. This design bureau again took up the creation of a nuclear engine for a new cruise missile, but again it did not come to testing. The design bureau under different names existed until 2004, after which it was closed.

Also in the USSR, work was carried out to create an aircraft with an atomic engine. According to the decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 1561-868 of August 12, 1955, the design bureau of Myasishchev, Tupolev and Lavochkin received the task to design the "atomic" aircraft, and the design bureaus of Lyulka, Kuznetsov and all the same Bondaryuk for the creation of a nuclear aircraft engine. The most promising was the design bureau A. Lyulka, which proposed two versions of the nuclear engine: "coaxial" scheme and the "rocker" scheme. However, the work was soon stopped due to the lack of a decision on "safe operation and protection of the crew, population and area in the event of a forced landing of a nuclear powered aircraft."

"Petrel" and "Poseidon"



In mid-summer 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the preparation of flight tests of prototypes of the improved Burevestnik cruise missile with a nuclear power plant. The military department indicated that this is a stealthy cruise missile with an almost unlimited range, carrying a nuclear warhead.


For the first time, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the existence of a nuclear-powered rocket in his message to the Federal Assembly on March 1, 2018.

What do we know about the new Russian development? Almost nothing, apart from countless rumors and speculations. It is reliably known that the development of the missile began in the early 2000s after the US withdrawn from the Treaty on the Limitation of Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems in 1972, and until 2018 the work was carried out behind closed doors. It is also known that the Burevestnik missile is a nuclear-powered, infinite-range, subsonic intercontinental cruise missile. The missile received the name "Petrel" in March 2018 during an open vote on the website of the Ministry of Defense.

The Burevestnik is a ground-based cruise missile with a new power plant. Most likely, it is a version of a jet engine based on a compact nuclear reactor of sufficient power. There is no official data on the power plant, as well as the characteristics of the new rocket.

Currently, "Burevestnik" is at the testing stage, it is known for sure about successful tests of the propulsion system, Russian and foreign media wrote about this in January 2019. The rocket will be put into service in a few years, the exact dates have not been named.

The 2M39 Poseidon autonomous unmanned underwater vehicle with a nuclear power plant can also be positioned as Russia's response to the US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty. The creation program involves the creation of a multipurpose autonomous vehicle capable of carrying a variety of payload - incl. high-yield thermonuclear warhead.


The Ministry of Defense does not declassify exact data about Poseidon, however, since the official announcement of its development, the military department has repeatedly confirmed in the media its main performance characteristics: immersion depth up to 1 km, maximum speed of about 200 km / h, practically unlimited cruising range. The diameter of the apparatus is 1,8 meters, the length is about 20 m. The Poseidons will be carried by special submarines - the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine of project 09851 and the multi-purpose nuclear submarine Belgorod of project 949A Antey, which has undergone modernization according to project 09852.

Earlier it was reported about the plans of the Ministry of Defense to adopt up to 32 unmanned underwater vehicles "Poseidon", in the future, build four underwater carriers for them. According to the plans of the military department, two submarines with drones should be deployed in the North and Pacific fleets.

Today "Poseidon" as well as "Petrel" is at the testing stage. The terms of adoption for service have not yet been reported.

Some experts suggest that the Poseidon is a further development of the project of the 50s of the 20th century, the Soviet super-large torpedo T-15 with a 100 Mt thermonuclear charge, electric and gas generator versions of the power plant with a cruising range of 30 and 50 km, respectively. The torpedo was planned to be used to strike large targets on the US ocean coast. The first Soviet atomic submarine of the Kit project was chosen as the carrier. But the project was closed due to the impossibility of ensuring the secrecy of the submarine's exit to the firing range with an upright torpedo.

conclusions



By implementing the projects of the Burevestnik cruise missile and the Poseidon autonomous unmanned vehicle, Russia will receive a "retaliation weapon" capable of inflicting irreparable damage on the enemy. Neither "Petrel" nor "Poseidon" are weapons of attack, as they say in the West, they are weapons of defense, we can say that even "weapons of the last chance". And first of all, it is a weapon of deterrence, the knowledge of which will help to curb the warlike plans of some elderly American "hawks" with clear signs of senile marasmus, calling for an attack on Russia.

The United States, as the most likely enemy of Russia, will not have similar systems soon, military experts are sure. In similar developments, they lagged behind Russia by 10-15 years. By announcing the termination of the development of the Petrel and Poseidon, Washington is trying to slow down the development of this type of weapon. In addition, most likely, the United States will try to introduce a cruise missile and an underwater drone into the new START treaty, if it does decide to sign it.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 23 July 2020 10: 06
    +5
    It would be easier and cheaper to demonstrate the consequences of a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere (otherwise, many already know nothing about nuclear weapons).
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 23 July 2020 10: 31
      +7
      In whose atmosphere?
      1. iouris
        iouris 23 July 2020 10: 46
        +3
        The atmosphere is common, boundaries exist only in the noosphere (and even then not for everyone, but for those who know what it is).
        1. Gato
          Gato 23 July 2020 13: 19
          0
          boundaries exist only in the noosphere

          Yes? And who are the border guards?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 July 2020 13: 32
          0
          Quote: iouris
          boundaries exist only in the noosphere (and even then not for everyone, but for those who know what it is).

          Then let them honor Academician Vernadsky.
          1. Gato
            Gato 23 July 2020 18: 31
            +3
            Then let them honor Academician Vernadsky

            For those who are niasilite, I remind you: the air border coincides with the state. border of the state, and over the sea - also a 12-mile zone. The upper border is not clearly defined by any agreements, but it is considered to be 60 km. In addition, there is an air defense identification zone, which is 2 hours of flight time to the border.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 24 July 2020 08: 16
              -1
              Quote: Gato
              For those who are niasilite, I remind you: the air border coincides with the state. border of the state, and over the sea - also a 12-mile zone.
              Read the manual.
              1. Gato
                Gato 24 July 2020 08: 55
                +5
                laughing
                I read and even spoke with representatives of the relevant Scientology sect. Another roerich with utopian abstractions No.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 23 July 2020 10: 17
    +7
    There is a lot of noise ... but they will try to inflate all this to universal proportions.
    By the way, why ??? After all, all of these are CAROONS!?!?!?
    1. ioan-e
      ioan-e 23 July 2020 12: 17
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      By the way, why ??? After all, all of these are CAROONS!?!?!?


      Apparently very scary cartoons am
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 July 2020 13: 19
        +1
        Terrible, especially there before the real embodiment of those fears, not so far away.
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 23 July 2020 14: 33
        +1
        We need to create more terrible cartoons. About flying Fukushima.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 July 2020 12: 34
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: rocket757
      There is a lot of noise ... but they will try to inflate all this to universal proportions.
      By the way, why ??? After all, all this is CAROTS!?!

      Let's assume that development and testing of prototypes is underway. Only with the modern rkuoopost of Putinism, nothing will happen, everything rusts in their hands. Somehow the Losharik accidentally burned out, then they threw a rocket, it fell nearby and irradiated everything around and the water area and people, and the irradiated grabbed so much that they were already sources of radiation.
      Even Gagarin's rockets fall from them, and those that did not fall can arrive at the station full of holes.
      They wanted to fix Kuzya, but they drowned the dock and almost drowned Kuzya, that is, the task was completed by half, Kuzya is still alive, solely because he is Soviet.
      Now they took and poured SeverA with fuel oil and kerosene.
      It seems to me that it is better for them to do nothing at all, otherwise they will destroy the planet from our territory, they are really dangerous and toxic not only for us, but for the earthly civilization as a whole.
      so let it be better to draw cartoons and show admiring clamps. We apparently have such a fate, to live on the same territory with Putinism, this is only our choice, and the rest of the world has to do with it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 July 2020 13: 18
        +4
        What are the proposals, plans? What is the alternative, where is it?
        What have you DONE to change the situation for the better and what is it best?
        It is necessary to criticize .... it is necessary, but when it all ends there, it is ...... hopeless, incl.
        1. mole
          mole 23 July 2020 17: 11
          +7
          What are the proposals, plans? What is the alternative, where is it?
          What have you DONE to change the situation for the better and what is it best?
          It is necessary to criticize .... it is necessary, but when it all ends there, it is ...... hopeless, incl.

          The problem is that the alternatives have been wiped out. When the government notices the “dirty laundry” of competitors, but ignores “their own laundry,” nothing can be done. There are no saints.
          When it was necessary to establish constitutional order in the country, then I understood why the so-called "dirty" "friends" are not noticed, one can stay, and one is not a warrior in the field. After Crimea, a ray of hope appeared. But now it has completely faded away.
          When the main criterion for success is personal loyalty, and not the result of work, then the situation is unlikely to change for the better. Those who tried to compete with the authorities in popularity found an article from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
          Unfortunately, trying to compete with the authorities is initially futile. Without competition, the current "fraudsters" will not do anything, because they are satisfied with everything so far.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 July 2020 20: 47
            -2
            Quote: Mole
            Unfortunately, trying to compete with government officials is initially futile

            A fundamental mistake or rotten dogma in which they are trying to convince us, those who are interested in preserving the existing SYSTEM, order!
            All the ruling, the leading, the leading, the kings said so before they were sent to the dustbin of history!
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 12
        14
        Quote: Stroporez
        Even Gagarin's rockets fall from them, and those that did not fall can arrive at the station full of holes.

        , Greetings Comrade! Judging by your minuses, the local urya-skakuas do not really like the truth, but they really like the lies of the scribe, they immediately remember the incorruptible:
        "There is no need to deceive me,
        I myself am glad to wash away. "
        Shl. Well, if the inhabitants like this alignment, what can you do, you will have to die with them, but I would like to live in a normal, fairly, prosperous country, only with a friend of friends and friends of a friend is impossible. Sadness ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 July 2020 20: 16
          10
          Quote: Malyuta
          Judging by your disadvantages, the local urya-skakuas do not really like the truth, but they really like the lies of the scare

          Zdarova, Kamrad! There is a layer of putinoid-guardians, whose backside is warm, but mostly there are adequate, sane people. As Vitala says - malaholes, let's break through! laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 July 2020 20: 49
            -5
            Don't break through, people are different around. There will be a sensible idea, there will be a subject for discussion, but for now ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 July 2020 21: 08
              +9
              Quote: rocket757
              Don't break through, people are different around. There will be a sensible idea, there will be a subject for discussion, but for now ...

              Colleague, what sensible idea are you waiting for? For me, the main idea is to restore Soviet power, the earthlings have not yet come up with anything better in their entire history.
              We have 70 years of experience in building a state from absolute zero. Now we must eliminate mistakes or minimize, and improve everything positive.
              Sorry, do you have an idea? Judging by your comments, you do not look like a reset guard.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 July 2020 22: 35
                +3
                I was Soviet, I am and I will be.
                It's just that our HISTORY is a very complex phenomenon. There is something to admire, but there is also something that should not be allowed to repeat.
                At this moment in time, our society, our people, froze in some kind of comatose state ... it is not so difficult to describe all this, but here's how to awaken the self-consciousness of MASS, a difficult but interesting question.
                Just criticizing the authorities, for this, for this, is futile!
                We need other methods, ideas and, most importantly, BUSINESS! In Whom a significant part of our population will believe.
                I have already described the case when, thanks to the efforts of ONE person from the Liberal Democratic Party, this party received a guaranteed electoral resource in our area.
                After all, he did nothing special, no one scolded, but simply showed concern for ordinary residents of several villages, to the best of his strength and capabilities !!!
                I can cite many more examples from films, from books, from the history of the pre-revolutionary period, how people, with seemingly simple actions, achieved the respect and support of ordinary people !!!
                Maybe this is, WHAT IS NECESSARY NOW ???
                I will express my opinion, remark ...
                Your statement
                Quote: Stroporez
                Now we have to eliminate errors or minimize, and improve everything positive.

                hardly anyone will be convinced and attracted to the ranks of "new builders of the way it was before"!
                I always suggest that it's easier to be, closer to the pressing problems of ordinary people.
                I have no ideas, but I have examples of stories that led to the desired result.
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 23 July 2020 23: 33
                  +9
                  Quote: rocket757
                  We need other methods, ideas and, most importantly, BUSINESS! In Whom a significant part of our population will believe.

                  I am very sorry for interfering, but what kind of things can you and I do at our level of ordinary people?
                  We communicate with Colleagues outside the VO, people of different political views, we argue a lot, but everyone agrees on one thing, the power must be changed.
                  Here you are talking about BUSINESS, but Furgal did simple but important things for people, meals at schools, discount air tickets, apartments, apparently he did not steal, it seems to be a trifle. but people are behind him. Most likely, it was this confusion that I did not like.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 24 July 2020 00: 21
                    +1
                    A person “entered, was elected” into the system, but how and who is he?
                    From the party, which is already in the system, it is not bad there !!! Those. he didn’t share something with other persons from the system, or he really wanted to go to a meeting with people, neglecting the interes of the system. What is the result ??? The system will grind any gear that decides to rotate in the wrong direction, and the party, the system one, will immediately hand it over.
                    With no options, this is a losing track at the moment.
                    The SYSTEM can only be resisted by a powerful force! Who is she? I hope it will be a popular association of one type or another. I don't see anything more worthy, well-developed, understandable, except for the unification on Socialist / Communist ideas. Just an abstract, popular movement, for everything good, against everything bad, is too vague and subject to all kinds of perversions.
                    What am I doing .... apart from chatting, I educate the younger generation, future PATRIOTS of our Motherland. Not a big contribution to our common cause, but than I can.
      3. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 23 July 2020 18: 14
        0
        If the USSR was not hands-on, how would the accident also be? Nevertheless, everything was refined and worked in the end. Why again this set of saliva and stamps?
      4. Lexus
        Lexus 23 July 2020 20: 15
        +6
        Russia will receive a "weapon of retaliation"

        Unfortunately, the story with the wunderwaffe did not teach anyone anything.

        and the rest of the world has to do with

        Let them envy. laughing Silently. And then finally can roll into the asphalt. laughing
        #worldworld

        unparalleled weapons are already being tested
        1. minomoto
          minomoto 23 July 2020 23: 11
          +5
          Firstly, this is not asphalt, but a leveling layer of black crushed stone, which is laid in several layers 15–20 cm thick. In some cases, prescribed in GOSTs, the thickness of a layer of black crushed stone can reach one meter. Thanks to him, the road remains level even in the north for many years.
          Secondly, subsequently, a fracture mesh should be laid on this base, the purpose of which is clear from the name. And only in the third stage the asphalt itself will be laid.
      5. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 24 July 2020 12: 42
        +1
        Achinea is easier to carry than a log.
  3. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 23 July 2020 10: 17
    -14 qualifying.
    The United States, as the most likely enemy of Russia, will not have similar systems soon, military experts are sure. In similar developments, they lagged behind Russia by 10-15 years.

    Not in 15, not in 30 years, analogs of these systems will not appear in the United States. In view of their practical uselessness, greater danger for themselves than for the enemy, and the presence of much more effective carriers of nuclear weapons.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 23 July 2020 10: 36
      10
      Quote: Grazdanin
      In view of their practical uselessness

      The utility is gigantic.
      Americans will have to spend very well for protection

      Quote: Grazdanin
      greater danger to yourself

      Why?
      How can a Russian nuclear-powered missile carrier flying over the United States threaten Russia?

      Quote: Grazdanin
      the presence of much more effective carriers of nuclear weapons.

      8))))
      The heavy machine gun is much more effective than all of these pistols, automatic machine guns, and other rifles. When will the United States give up all this uselessness and arm all the marines with a sixty kilogram Browning M2?
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 23 July 2020 10: 49
        0
        Americans will have to spend very well for protection

        I read the last word as wipe laughing then I realized that I was mistaken, but not much laughing
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 23 July 2020 10: 57
        +7
        Dear Lopatov, so why Poseidon? Until he gets there with his own speed and somewhere there will explode ICBMs in that place several times faster will make a radioactive desert. And the point is to beat where there is already nothing?
        1. bar
          bar 23 July 2020 14: 14
          +1
          Dear Lopatov, so why Poseidon?

          Poseidon is good for now. It is still in development, and the striped hedgehogs have begun to piss. Only for the sake of this it was worth stirring up.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 July 2020 22: 43
            0
            Poseidon is already in the final stages of testing next year for him the USC will hand over another carrier.
        2. Anton Yu
          Anton Yu 27 July 2020 18: 10
          0
          To launch the Poseidons, carrier submarines still have to go into the launch area. And such huge boats will be discovered much earlier.
      3. Kalmar
        Kalmar 23 July 2020 11: 29
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        Americans will have to spend very well for protection

        As far as I understand, the Petrel and Poseidons will bump into the enemy's existing air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems, which were built long ago and are very strong. If, say, "Zircon", in theory, is at least hypersonic (which significantly affects the possibility of intercepting it), then the same "Burevestnik" is a conventional subsonic missile launcher, differing from the Kh-101 only by a greater launch range.

        Quote: Spade
        How can a Russian nuclear-powered missile carrier flying over the United States threaten Russia?

        Are you planning to launch it over the USA too? Or is it from somewhere on the territory of the Russian Federation (there was no information about marine media)?

        Quote: Spade
        A large caliber machine gun is much more effective than all these pistols, automatic machine guns and other shooters.

        Machine guns and pistols still solve different tasks and in different conditions. And "Poseidon" does the same, in fact, the work of an ICBM, only much slower, potentially less reliable and, which is important, very expensive (like any new development). And this with very unobvious advantages.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 July 2020 13: 27
          0
          Quote: Kalmar
          As far as I understand, the "Petrel" and "Poseidons" will bump into the existing air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems of the enemy, which were built long ago and are very strong

          I would like to understand why there is such confidence that they have long and strong, that something is built there? Why then are they all building, building, they all climb to our borders and climb ??? After all, they have there for a long time and everything is built ...
          Literature on the topic would be read what .... for more confidence.
          Yes, but why do they strive to ban our new products, they are not afraid of them at all and in any way ???
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 23 July 2020 14: 10
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            I would like to understand why there is such confidence that they have long and strong, that something is built there?

            This is how they build the entire Cold War. Google for phrases like "Faro-Icelandic frontier", "SOSUS", "Aegis" and so on. As if Soviet / Russian submarines and cruise missiles did not appear yesterday, and, accordingly, they have been trying to fight them for more than a dozen years.

            Quote: rocket757
            Yes, but why do they strive to ban our new products, they are not afraid of them at all and in any way ???

            Firstly, I did not say that they are not scary. Just not worse than the existing products. The question is, is it worth it to spend money on new items that do not bring anything particularly new.

            Secondly, nobody forbids anything; On the contrary, such things play into their hands: each built carrier of "Poseidons" is one unbuilt SSNS. Each "Petrel" is minus a dozen "conventional" cruise missiles.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 23 July 2020 14: 37
              -1
              Quote: Kalmar
              Secondly, nobody forbids anything;

              Because they cannot, but apparently, I really want to.
              Quote: Kalmar
              Google for phrases like "Faro-Icelandic frontier", "SOSUS", "Aegis" and so on.

              Even in cartoons, old ones, they drew about the "frontier". On a special cable, our boat hung ... but how and what can this line prevent ??? Why then were so many anti-submarine weapons built and continue to build?
              It was, one wrote ... a shot here on VO, that the Yankees and their comrades track every exit of our nuclear submarines, they always know where she is and when ... it was not even funny.
              IJIS, with her more speculation, advertising brochures than evidence that it will work effectively. Not confirmed.
              On the issue of the cost of new systems ... this is understandable, but without inventing a new one, without testing how it will work (not in combat use), you can end up with a broken trough, in the end.
              Money is pitiful, but how else is that?
              Remember how it was during the war. We have heavy tanks, they were far from everywhere! But the Germans had to have means of protection against them, wherever they could be applied .... and this is not a small expense. But it didn’t work otherwise.
              In general, there is no easy solution to difficult situations. This is usually the case.
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 23 July 2020 23: 34
                +2
                Quote: rocket757
                but how and what can this line prevent ??? Why then were so many anti-submarine weapons built and continue to build?

                I mean, why? Any defense must be echeloned. Well, it is not only necessary to defend against us.

                Quote: rocket757
                IJIS, with her more speculation, advertising brochures than evidence that it will work effectively. Not confirmed.

                With this logic, the "Petrel" with "Poseidon" can not be considered at all, because the very fact of their existence is even less confirmed than the effectiveness of "Aegis".

                Quote: rocket757
                Money is pitiful, but how else is that?

                It's not about "sorry", but about the expediency of expenses. The useful exhaust from the mentioned products is highly questionable.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 24 July 2020 00: 28
                  -1
                  I do not see these systems as tools that will be used sometime. I don’t think the carriage will make them. BUT, they can be made and can be used, that is their purpose, FINAL WARNING.
                  And technologies, any, are not superfluous and in the future can be used for more reasonable purposes.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 July 2020 22: 45
              0
              The Patriot complexes have a minimum missile destruction height of 20 meters - so you bent the strong air defense.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 23 July 2020 14: 52
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            Yes, but why do they strive to ban our new products, they are not afraid of them at all and in any way ???

            they are scary because it is a breakthrough in technology. First, a nuclear engine appears on subsonic rockets, it rolls in, then on space ... a manned spacecraft, you know, a pound of raisins. And if it is also more carrying capacity !! and can carry other poison. rockets! Everything that the world's space competitors have is becoming useless.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 23 July 2020 15: 27
              0
              All such "vigorous" affairs are dangerous, very dear, but if humanity did not go through the dangers, it would still jump on trees.
            2. Kalmar
              Kalmar 23 July 2020 23: 51
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              First, a nuclear engine appears on subsonic rockets, rolls in, then on space

              The unlimited range of the Burevestnik hints at an air-jet engine (otherwise you won't be able to carry that much fuel). There are rocket ships on the spacecraft. Somehow one with the other is very weakly compatible.

              And yes, NRMs of various types for space have been developed since the 50s. More money would be allocated for this - already in the series there would be, what they have, what we have.

              Quote: aybolyt678
              And if it is also more carrying capacity !!

              Why would you? The NRE was supposed to be launched at a considerable distance from the Earth's surface so that radioactive exhausts would not be sniffed. Here, the carrying capacity, on the contrary, will rather suffer: how much fuel is needed to throw such a colossus.

              Quote: aybolyt678
              Everything that the world's space competitors have is becoming useless.

              Doesn't affect at all. NARDs are interesting for their ability to accelerate spacecraft to very high speeds, which is important for interplanetary flights. For fiddling around our planet, they are not particularly appropriate.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 24 July 2020 17: 50
                0
                Quote: Kalmar
                points to a jet engine (otherwise you won't be able to carry that much fuel)

                when it comes to the use of strategic weapons, you can smell it, but is it really impossible to make a mono-engine only nuclear? after all, even airplanes were developed?
        2. bar
          bar 23 July 2020 14: 22
          +2
          "Petrels" and "Poseidons" will bump into existing enemy air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems, which were built long ago

          That's exactly what is lined up long, and lined up for traditional weapons on traditional routes of DELIVERY of these weapons. And the same "petrel" will be able to enter the target even from the side of Antarctica, from which there is no air defense. And "Poseidon" at a depth of 1 km will not be detected or destroyed by any existing ASW system.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 July 2020 15: 29
            0
            It would be better not to do this !!! But we need a relatively quiet time so that we could go about our business, not being distracted by swoops from behind the okey.
          2. Kalmar
            Kalmar 23 July 2020 23: 41
            0
            Quote: bar
            And the same "petrel" will be able to enter the target even from the side of Antarctica, from which there is no air defense

            Whichever side he flies from, at some point he will still have to be over the territory of the United States (otherwise, where does he fly at all). And there is an abundance of air defense. Existing aviation KRBDs, if desired, can also be sent from Antarctica, albeit not so gracefully.

            Quote: bar
            A "Poseidon" at a depth of 1 km will not be detected or destroyed by any existing ASW system.

            Are there many American military bases located at a depth of 1 km? The depths in their vicinity (within the radius of the Poseidon's destruction) are much less and, I think, are quite densely saturated with all kinds of anti-submarine weapons: the Americans, I repeat, have been preparing for a meeting with our nuclear submarines for several years.

            Quote: bar
            lined up for traditional weapons on traditional delivery routes of these weapons

            The fact of the matter is that "Poseidon" and "Petrel" go along quite traditional routes of delivery; they only have the range pumped to conditionally unlimited (according to the booklets).
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 24 July 2020 20: 28
              0
              Quote: Kalmar
              And there is an abundance of air defense.


              Air defense is bad there, and it is sector-based, too.
          3. Anton Yu
            Anton Yu 27 July 2020 18: 21
            0
            Most of the air defense systems (I'm not even talking about PLO) of potential enemies are on the ships. And these ships are in large numbers along the perimeter of Russia. And not only.
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 23 July 2020 12: 12
        -2
        Quote: Spade
        The utility is gigantic.
        Americans will have to spend very well for protection

        Can you tell us what is in common in our country and in particular to you and me, in particular, the usefulness of the fact that amnrika will be spent a lot?
        I firmly know that America spent a lot on its citizens during the pandemic, in contrast to the handouts of our state.
      5. mvg
        mvg 23 July 2020 16: 27
        +7
        How can a Russian nuclear-powered missile carrier flying over the United States threaten Russia?

        Yes, simply because they experience it flying Chernobyl, not over the United States, but over the Russian Federation. And all tests, 4 out of 4 ended the same Bada Boom.
        Well, stories about machine guns and an insane budget are far-fetched. The more Americans invested in PLO, the worse not only for Poseidons, but also for 885,667, 945, 636 and PRC 094, 095. So this is not a waste of time.
      6. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 23 July 2020 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Why?
        How can a Russian nuclear-powered missile carrier flying over the United States threaten Russia?

        From the fact that such objects tend to fail and give life-giving radiation to settlements.
        And where will they be tested, over the USA? laughing Yeah, right now.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 10: 38
      0
      Quote: Grazdanin
      In view of their practical uselessness, greater danger for themselves than for the enemy, and the presence of much more effective carriers of nuclear weapons.

      On the one hand, yes, but the United States is now cosplaying the late USSR and therefore they like mega-torpedoes, recently the Koreans also caught mega-torpedoes in their tervods ...
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 23 July 2020 10: 53
        -7
        Unmanned submarines, autonomous mega-torpedoes in the United States are today. Putting nuclear warheads on them is not a problem. But why? These funds for PLO are excellent, and will remain there.
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 23 July 2020 11: 15
      +2
      Yes, you Sho ?! Taki are useless and "a greater danger to themselves." Really, the Pins were worried about our safety and we didn't waste our money? laughing laughing laughing And you would also say that the milk is black, but it seems to everyone that it has been pushed in white. Clumsy work, my friend, clumsy. hi
    4. Achilles
      Achilles 23 July 2020 19: 07
      -1
      Quote: Grazdanin
      In view of their practical uselessness, greater danger for themselves than for the enemy, and the presence of much more effective carriers of nuclear weapons.

      This is just the beginning, then a nuclear engine for the Soyuz rocket will be invented, and then you can fly into space much cheaper and then you can think about deep space, these are great prospects in the future
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 July 2020 10: 18
    +6
    The special envoys of the mattress were sent out to throw mud and look for specks in the eyes of others, to mask their own logs.
  5. Ka-52
    Ka-52 23 July 2020 10: 27
    12
    According to him, the United States believes that such weapons should not exist, since they represent a huge danger and a waste of funds.

    strange position. At the moment when such rockets are launched, I think very few people in the world will be interested and concerned about their radioactive contrail.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 July 2020 10: 33
      +2
      At first, after all, you need to test them somehow, that is, to launch them so that they fly for a while, and not on one copy, after all.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 23 July 2020 10: 37
        +4
        At first, after all, you need to test them somehow, that is, to launch them so that they fly for a while, and not on one copy, after all.

        well, this will be done as part of field trials. What then should the Americans get excited? It will not fly over Capitol Hill. Why the resumption of the US nuclear test program does not bother Monsieur Marshall Billingsley
  6. Operator
    Operator 23 July 2020 10: 36
    -1
    The Burevestnik supersonic cruise missile and the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicle are connected only by a unified fast-neutron nuclear reactor with a liquid-metal coolant. Their propellers are different - accordingly, a direct-flow air-jet with a heating chamber in the form of a lead-air heat exchanger and a screw driven by a TZA.

    "Poseidon" is intended for continuous destruction of targets in the 700-km coastal zone, "Burevestnik" - for targets outside the range of ICBMs and SLBMs.
  7. ogassar
    ogassar 23 July 2020 10: 50
    +2
    If the rocket is subsonic, they will shoot down like nuts.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 23 July 2020 11: 44
      -3
      If the marching height is not 15 meters, they will do it. And then they also hang the REO active, or even some kind of anti-missile shotgun. Who knows, gloomy Russian genius? All the same, this is more of a weapon of the last chance, if in front of the amazed public a reusable blah is not made.
    2. Horon
      Horon 23 July 2020 12: 16
      +4
      The problem is not that it is not possible to shoot it down, the problem is that when it is shot down, the main factor of destruction (high-explosive) will decrease, but the accompanying factor (radioactive contamination) will increase. The enemy has a choice to die immediately or to make his territory poisoned, and he himself will make the enemy's territory lifeless. The one who dies immediately turns out to be lucky, the one who remains will die slowly and with taste.
  8. HAM
    HAM 23 July 2020 10: 54
    +3
    Cool: when a 100-kilometer nuclear charge falls on his head, Marshall is preoccupied with harmful emissions into the atmosphere .... tenacious, infection ...
  9. 123456789
    123456789 23 July 2020 11: 11
    +6
    What do we know about the new Russian development? Almost nothing

    Quintessence of the article!
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 July 2020 11: 18
    +2
    Looks like mattress makers are weak in these matters to achieve parity. We decided to try this way. The pitiful attempts of the decrepit "hegemon" cheer up and improve appetite. laughing
  11. Diviz
    Diviz 23 July 2020 11: 30
    -1
    Naive people. Born to crawl, cannot and cannot fly!
  12. Svetlana
    Svetlana 23 July 2020 11: 38
    -1
    There is still a question why not a flying Fukushima
  13. sleeve
    sleeve 23 July 2020 11: 38
    0
    SNB will not be. And not really needed. Have "4 guarantees" in your arsenal and no more. In doctrine, both sides in the question of application have gone far away from the dovecote of peace. Those who count money like us and are not ready for the race need a configuration, not a quantity. The contract will be harmful.
  14. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 July 2020 11: 40
    +1
    The United States, as the most likely enemy of Russia, will not have similar systems soon,

    What business will appear soon or not soon in the United States with similar weapons.
    Let them also have containment weapons. What are they afraid of if there are no plans to attack the United States.
    With full force this can be said about the United States - if there are no plans of attack, there is nothing to fear.
    These weapons pose a huge danger to a potential aggressor. Well, let the United States say so - out of love for you, we have a legitimate and wonderful desire to attack you, and with these villainous weapons you cross this love of ours.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 July 2020 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Kostadinov
      What are they afraid of if there are no plans to attack the United States.
      With full force this can be said about the United States - if there are no plans of attack, there is nothing to fear.


      Where does such confidence about the United States come from?
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad 23 July 2020 11: 58
    +3
    The United States will try to add a cruise missile and an underwater drone to the new START treaty, if it still dares to sign it.


    Naturally, they will try, but when NATO is burying its nose in the borders of Russia, no one in the Russian government will cut the weapon of the "last chance". Moreover, during the period from the beginning of the 90s to the mid-2000s, it became clear that no matter how much you cut and destroy Russia in The "civilized European western house" will not be accepted as equals, the maximum they will allow is to bump into the same naive in the hallway (Euroassociation).
    It is no coincidence that the Kremlin suggested simply prolonging it without any changes regarding START.
  16. lopvlad
    lopvlad 23 July 2020 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: iouris
    It would be simpler and cheaper to demonstrate the consequences of a nuclear explosion in the atmosphere


    and most importantly, the effect will be zero. Not only will no one be scared in the West, and they will rightly accuse Russia of violating the "Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, Outer Space and Under Water", simultaneously assigning the status of a world gopnik brandishing a nuclear club.
    1. Horon
      Horon 23 July 2020 12: 32
      +1
      assigning the status of a world gopnik brandishing a nuclear club.

      Russia never left this status.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 25 July 2020 18: 00
        0
        Quote: Horon
        Russia never left this status


        One thing is empty talk "we have not found anything, but we are sure that this is Russia", and another is real documentary recorded evidence provided by Russia itself.
        Moreover, the violation of the treaty where Russia (USSR) was its initiator and the treaty is not officially called "Moscow Treaty".
        Today's world does not consist of the USA and Europe, which almost always takes a pro-American position.
        And therefore, Russia must act in the world arena thoughtfully, using military force where it is really necessary.
        1. Horon
          Horon 27 July 2020 10: 08
          0
          I do not argue. But I consider it unacceptable to act according to the principle: to please everyone, so long as they do not say anything bad, even if it is to my own detriment.
  17. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 23 July 2020 12: 17
    -2
    Neither "Petrel" nor "Poseidon" are weapons of attack, as they say in the West, this is a weapon of defense, we can say that even a "weapon of the last chance". And first of all, it is a deterrent

    Spy / scout level demagoguery.
    Their missiles are offensive / ours defensive, etc.

    How many more "weapons of containment" should be riveted? To the existing hypersonic maneuvering units, to classic ICBMs and SLBMs with systems for breaking through object missile defense systems, decoys complexes, quasi-heavy decoys, etc.?

    It is inappropriate to provoke an arms race, in which you will obviously lose because of the dwarf economy of the Russian Federation, which has fallen to 11th place in the world ranking during the years of the "nullified guarantor" rule.

    With an economy growing at 1%, only a fool can hope to ensure Russia's defense capability.
    1. Horon
      Horon 23 July 2020 12: 43
      0
      Spy / scout level demagoguery.
      Their missiles are offensive / ours defensive, etc.

      Unfortunately no! This weapon is the weapon of the Last Day. After its application, civilization will be created by the remnants of humanity in the southern hemisphere. The West will never create such a weapon, not because it cannot, but because for the West there is no question of complete destruction and assimilation! As long as it does not threaten it, the West is happy with everything, and it can fend off competitors or dangerous attacks in its direction with the arsenal of weapons that it has.
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 23 July 2020 15: 52
        +2
        Quote: Horon
        This weapon is the weapon of the Last Day. After its application, civilization will be created by the remnants of humanity in the southern hemisphere.


        All SLBMs and ICBMs belong to the "doomsday weapon" - we have more than enough of them.
        And no one threatens Russia - this is a scarecrow for the uneducated.
        The local elite simply violated the global rules, after which they were excommunicated from the financial "trough" of the West and they were offended.

        Nuclear blackmail is the same "North Korean" scarecrow "only in the square -" you are friends with us, or whatever happens "- the scale is larger.
        Well, on TV, bought journalists and "travel outsiders", amicably explain to the population why they are bad, and we are the center of the earth.
        How much can you chew on this "porridge", about "threats" and "challenges" - at the same time at the very house, apartment, children in the West.
        1. Horon
          Horon 23 July 2020 16: 10
          0
          Judging by your post, you are well, very educated ?! The bases around the country did not materialize after 14 years, the missile defense appeared also not against Iranian missiles, as it turned out. Any weapon has parameters at which the task is solved, this parameter takes into account not only combat characteristics, but also the likelihood of failure, sabotage, interception, etc. And if the Union was so smart, then why was the arsenal of strategic weapons in the 3 times more. In your conclusions, "either take off your hat, or put on your pants!" Praise the USSR in one thing and not notice the other.
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad 25 July 2020 18: 17
          +1
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          The local elite simply violated the global rules, after which they were excommunicated from the financial "trough" of the West and they were offended.


          and what are the global rules? can only the United States plunder, squeeze and kill entire nations and countries?
          Or was it Russia that staged a Maidan in Kiev and demolished Yanukovych?
          The Russian elite, even in the "holy 90s", when they were kissing the West in a passionate manner, were never allowed to the financial trough of the West, and Yeltsin, at his indignation with the bombing of Yugoslavia, was pointed out that the place of the entire Russian elite was in the Western bucket.
          Moreover, with the collapse of the USSR, Russia itself became the financial and raw material feeder of the West (they pumped out minerals, at the same time ditching the ecosystem, and we were hooked on the food needle of our goods, ruining our food industry enterprises, money is still being taken to the West to hide).
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 24 July 2020 14: 00
      0
      And where has the Russian economy fallen from to 11th place since 1999?

      And, if not difficult, please share the source of such a revelation.
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 25 July 2020 18: 49
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      How many more "weapons of containment" should be riveted?


      How much do you want to live and breathe,
      As long as you want the country to exist and not share the fate of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya.
  18. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 23 July 2020 12: 33
    +5
    In the USSR, they were closely engaged in the topic of atomic-powered aircraft.





    Why did they turn off?
    The danger that the "flying Chernobyl" would fall in an unpredictable area during testing / operation outweighed the merit of the project.
    Smart people led the USSR, which cannot be said about the present one.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 23 July 2020 13: 44
      +5
      Nuclear torpedoes and mini-submarines with nuclear weapons were also developed in the USSR. We turned down for the same reasons. And our military is not delighted with these projects. They are aimed at the destruction of a purely civilian population. Untie the hands of partners. Tests and possible emergencies can do great harm to us.
    2. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 23 July 2020 20: 09
      +2
      The danger that the "flying Chernobyl" would fall in an unpredictable area during testing / operation outweighed the merit of the project.
      And yet they themselves allowed Chernobyl - although the organizations of the nuclear sector were, as a rule, managed by experts on the topic, with apparently rare exceptions like Director Bryukhanov. And now - devil-who ...
      1. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 27 July 2020 18: 32
        0
        There were several of these disasters: the Mayak accident, the Andreeva Bay accident, Chernobyl and a few smaller ones.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 July 2020 22: 47
          0
          There were several dozen of these nuclear accidents in the USSR.
    3. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 24 July 2020 14: 07
      +2
      This is just a speck in someone else's eye with our bosom striped friends. For it did not even go beyond the limits of the project.

      But they do not see the beam in their own eye, and it is called SLAM, google what it is and how it was supposed to work. And it went beyond the limits of the drawings, the engine was built and tested.

      The Myasishchev-Glushko jet is a weapon of retaliation. But SLAM turned out to be such a cannibalistic undertaking that even the Americans abandoned it. A hypersonic low-flying apparatus on an open reactor, scattering thermonuclear charges over the areas, and locking everything along the path of the trajectory with isotopes (and it could fly for months) is not a hell of a thing.

      And the cherry on the cake - after firing off the supply of thermonuclear charges and fouling everything that was possible, the toy turned into a super-powerful dirty bomb. She made a candle and was killed about some big city.

      The fact that from the flight of a low-flying hypersonic fool everything that has ears will tear the eardrums is already so, trifles.
    4. lopvlad
      lopvlad 25 July 2020 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      Why did they turn off?


      because it is inexpedient in terms of costs and the actual impossibility of operation in the civil sector.
      In general, it is frankly stupid to compare a rocket with a "one-way ticket" and an aircraft that must make thousands of flights and operate smoothly for more than a decade.
      As for the American nonsense about "flying Chernobyl", any ICBM is the same "flying Chernobyl", unless of course the United States is not going to dismantle warheads from its ICBMs
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 July 2020 22: 50
      0
      Reactor assemblies differ significantly in materials and science, as well as materials with design systems in place, are not worth comparing past projects of atomic aircraft and current cruise missiles with nuclear-powered missile projectiles does not make any sense.
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 23 July 2020 13: 30
    +2
    All "vigorous" arguments are a danger to EVERYONE!
    BUT, who began to break the fragile security system, contracts, restrictions?
    It's a simple question.
  20. cniza
    cniza 23 July 2020 13: 34
    0
    According to him, the United States believes that such weapons should not exist, since they represent a huge danger and a waste of funds.


    Did he even understand what he said? Or is it from fright?
  21. kjh.ytg
    kjh.ytg 23 July 2020 14: 25
    +4
    Quote: Horon
    The problem is not that it is not possible to shoot it down, the problem is that when it is shot down, the main factor of destruction (high-explosive) will decrease, but the accompanying factor (radioactive contamination) will increase. The enemy has a choice to die immediately or to make his territory poisoned, and he himself will make the enemy's territory lifeless. The one who dies immediately turns out to be lucky, the one who remains will die slowly and with taste.

    This missile with subsonic speed can be shot down even before it gets close to enemy territory, they have the means for this.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 23 July 2020 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: kjh.ytg
      This missile with subsonic speed can be shot down even before it gets close to enemy territory, they have the means for this.

      and if under water? under the North Pole ??
    2. Horon
      Horon 23 July 2020 15: 51
      0
      Radioactive contamination will still cover the enemy. A little bit later. In addition, how will it be shot down at the early lines in the conditions of the already inflicted nuclear strikes on Russia? Radars are not working, the atmosphere is going crazy within a radius of hundreds of kilometers from the epicenter, satellites are blinded. The interception of missiles will be possible only within a radius of several tens of kilometers from the radar, and then if the air defense system is outside the jamming zone from nuclear strikes. Nuclear-powered missiles are not offensive weapons, they are "Armageddon" weapons. The last point in the history of civilization and inflicted total damage, just like the Poseidons.
    3. Newone
      Newone 23 July 2020 16: 56
      +1
      uh huh. They can also shoot down like the Saudis shot down Iranian cruise missiles during an attack on their oil refinery. Avaks were there, there were fighters, there were Patriots. But something went wrong ...
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 July 2020 15: 30
    +3
    The risks of such a CD are obvious, but the advantage is not obvious ...
    1. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 23 July 2020 17: 53
      +2
      The Americans write that out of the seven rocket launches, none were successful.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 July 2020 18: 58
        +1
        Most importantly, what are the advantages of this device. The BR can even be equipped with a non-nuclear warhead. And bang. And here is the engine and warhead.
      2. Horon
        Horon 27 July 2020 10: 23
        -1
        Americans write a lot of things, even the fact that Russia does not have the necessary technologies. Then why are they making noise and demanding them be included in the next arms limitation treaty? Let them either take off their hat or put on their pants (s)! And why only 7 and not 70?
  23. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 23 July 2020 16: 13
    0
    Is the author generally vkurse? At the last test of the Burevestnik rocket, the control system failed and it flew in the other direction. Then the flight was interrupted. Almost a year later, on August 8, 2019, during the rise of the rocket, an explosion occurred with a release of radiation. The military and employees of Rosatom were killed. Moreover, the testing ground for such missiles is located on Novaya Zemlya, and not in Nyonoks.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 24 July 2020 14: 40
      0
      The source of information - voice?

      And either the OBS agency, or the Panorama news agency.

      Although, from such news in this version carries Nezalezhnosti.
      1. Horon
        Horon 27 July 2020 10: 43
        -3
        Such news brings dementia and weak knowledge in physics and geography.
    2. Horon
      Horon 27 July 2020 10: 38
      -1
      What is this nonsense? Where did it fly, where was it lifted? They are tested at test ranges that meet the requirements for the technical characteristics of the tested weapons. The explosion occurred near the coast, what kind of control system did it get out of standing, and where was the rocket flying there then? You, sir, a fakecomet! Such tests can be carried out on Novaya Zemlya, and Nyonoks is located near Arkhangelsk. With the same success, I can argue about an attempt to make a spatial puncture using radioactive materials that ended in failure. Especially remembering the words of Putin about teleportation! wassat
      1. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 27 July 2020 14: 30
        -1
        I have no doubt that you are a fakecomet. The video on YouTube is full of both the explosion and the measurements of the radiation level by local residents. Nyonox's social networks also have everything. And why the tests were not carried out on Novaya Zemlya is also not a mystery. After a successful test, a large government commission headed by Kiriyenko, as well as the military leadership, was to arrive. And there is no hotel on Novaya Zemlya, but there is one in Nyonoksa.
        1. Horon
          Horon 27 July 2020 15: 06
          -1
          Videos of secret YouTube tests ??? Are you sure about that? I imagine a bunch of people with video cameras flashing secret weapons tests and running to spread it on the Internet. Are there tests in hotels now? How were tests carried out on Novaya Zemlya before in the USSR? Without hotels in any way? The State Commission meets on any accidents with fatalities. Does radiation now only increase when testing the Petrel? In general, you are a chatterbox using fake sources and spreading them! Tests with dangerous types of weapons are carried out far from settlements. Near them tests of auxiliary systems, energy sources, technical devices incapable of independent movement can be carried out! If you insisted that the engine exploded on static tests, you could believe it, but you insist on testing the rocket as a product as a whole, which means you are illiterate and are talking nonsense that has nothing to do with reality and is designed for a society of professional blondes!
  24. zenion
    zenion 23 July 2020 16: 42
    0
    Of course, this is only in Russia. There is nothing like this in the States. And if there is, then of course dermocratic. That is, people do not suffer and there are no cripples left. Bach and people have already become sand.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 23 July 2020 20: 08
      +1
      There was a project similar to the CD and they worked out the engine. Single-circuit and Double-circuit.
  25. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 July 2020 21: 38
    -2
    At the moment of the threat launched the Petrel into the sky, Poseidon into the sea and let them roam in their elements. Poseidon, if the partner changes his mind, you can return to the base, the Petrel, how to return? vigorous loaf into space, so that it hangs with our heads.
  26. shinobi
    shinobi 24 July 2020 07: 43
    +1
    Agreements with the Yankees are not worth the paper on which they are written. It is precisely the weapon of attack in the form factor of "Moscow's dead hand" that needs to be developed. Whatever the United States knows, the answer will be sure, regardless of the results of their "disarming first strike." a puddle will not work. Answer the Yankees in their own manner, arrange genocide against their politicians Russophobes from various diseases and accidents. The SVR has poisons and the corresponding experience. Do you love color revolutions? ". The Roman maxim" Whip and Carrot "will never lose its relevance and it is time for Russia to pick up the whip.
    PS: This opinion is based on human psychology. The bald monkey is a person who remembers pain and fear best. This is due to the evolutionary mechanism of survival recorded in the human brain at the "construction" level
  27. Yuri Nemov
    Yuri Nemov 24 July 2020 09: 36
    0
    Well then, let the United States stop producing its floating Hiroshima (nuclear aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines).
  28. DominickS
    DominickS 25 July 2020 07: 32
    -1
    We need to send these zvezdanutnyh minke whales to hell. They have already perfectly shown many times that any agreements with them are an empty phrase and a useless piece of paper. This sick messianic neo-empire needs at least some kind of containment.
  29. lopvlad
    lopvlad 25 July 2020 18: 44
    -1
    Quote: kjh.ytg
    This missile with subsonic speed can be shot down even before it gets close to enemy territory


    the matter is not in the speed of the rocket, but in the fact that its flight time is not limited and therefore it can arrive at any time, from any direction and the area of ​​its flight can run along any curve.
    And judging by the graphic presentation, the area of ​​its flight will run over the world's oceans, in which even an aircraft carrier is like a needle in a haystack. Surely, in the final phase of the flight for a missile defense breakthrough, the missile will go into hypersonic mode.
    So the American is not in vain afraid.
  30. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 26 July 2020 11: 30
    +1
    most likely, the United States will try to introduce a cruise missile and an underwater drone into the new START treaty, if it does decide to sign it.
    Guys, if something is created, it should work in full. Otherwise, the basic principle of business is violated. I should have thought before
  31. Old26
    Old26 26 July 2020 14: 10
    0
    Quote: lopvlad
    Surely, in the final phase of the flight for a missile defense breakthrough, the missile will enter hypersonic mode.

    Subsonic missile and hypersonic flight? Take the cooler. On superluminal

    Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
    most likely, the United States will try to introduce a cruise missile and an underwater drone into the new START treaty, if it does decide to sign it.
    Guys, if something is created, it should work in full. Otherwise, the basic principle of business is violated. I should have thought before

    If a new treaty is signed or the old one is prolonged, then both Poseidon and Petrel will be included in the number of weapon systems subject to START-3 restrictions
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 27 July 2020 22: 50
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      Subsonic missile and hypersonic flight? Take the cooler. On superluminal


      you write this nonsense apparently from the fact that you think in old categories within the framework of conventional engines.
      In the "petrel" there is a nuclear reactor as an engine, and this is the very large battery of which, unlike a conventional fuel engine, it is unnecessary so much time to reach hypersound.
      To understand the principle in practice, it is enough to compare the dynamics of acceleration on a conventional fuel car and on an electric car, or at worst, on a bicycle with a conventional motor and on an electric bike.
      As for hypersound, the main problem facing countries that do not have hypersonic weapons is not access to hypersound, but maintaining a hypersonic flight for a long period of time (from several minutes to several tens of minutes).
      For example, a missile, for example, of the same Iskander complex, which reaches hypersound only in the final flight segment, before that, flying at subsonic speed with intensive maneuvering and jamming REB.
      In general, it is very foolish to believe that weapons with an "endless battery" will be deprived of systems for breaking through missile defense.

      Quote: Old26
      If a new agreement is signed or the old one is prolonged, then both Poseidon and Petrel


      to saw the only weapon from which the enemy has no means of protection for the sake of ghostly smiles and handshakes, no one will. There are no bad ones, and as for the United States, they are tearing up treaties in the hope that someone will falter.
      As for what the United States can offer us, unlike the USSR, they cannot offer anything in terms of security, because NATO troops are actually stationed along the land borders of Russia and naturally no one will withdraw them.
      Maybe they will offer to join the Western world and join NATO? so the Western world does not promise those gingerbreads as in the days of the USSR, and the insane loot and profits have moved to Asia.
      Or will they provide guarantees that they will not attack us for giving up weapons that they cannot effectively counter?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 July 2020 22: 55
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      Judging by the wing and nose cone, the Petrel is at least transonic with an output at a speed of 2500 kilometers per hour.
  32. Old26
    Old26 28 July 2020 01: 12
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    Quote: lopvlad
    you write this nonsense apparently because you think in old categories within the framework of conventional engines

    In fact, you write nonsense. It makes no difference what the engine profile is - subsonic direct-flow, supersonic direct-flow or hypersonic direct-flow. It probably doesn't matter to you. For you there is a supervunderwaffe "- a nuclear battery that will work wonders. And having a subsonic engine nozzle, this" nuclear battery "will accelerate the air flow to hypersonic speed ...

    Quote: lopvlad
    In the "petrel" there is a nuclear reactor as an engine, and this is the very large battery of which, unlike a conventional fuel engine, it is unnecessary so much time to reach hypersound.

    The maximum that a nuclear reactor can do is to heat up the air, which is the working fluid in this engine. Not a single engine, no matter what fuel it runs on in the absence of a supersonic or hypersonic nozzle, will accelerate missiles to supersonic or hypersonic speeds.

    Quote: lopvlad
    To understand the principle in practice, it is enough to compare the dynamics of acceleration on a conventional fuel car and on an electric car, or at worst, on a bicycle with a conventional motor and on an electric bike.

    An example that has nothing to do with hypersonic or supersonic acceleration. The presence of this or that engine will only increase the acceleration characteristics. For this, there is such a concept as the rate of fuel expiration ...

    Quote: lopvlad
    As for hypersound, the main problem facing countries that do not have hypersonic weapons is not access to hypersound, but maintaining a hypersonic flight for a long period of time (from several minutes to several tens of minutes).

    And no one denies this problem. Right now, there really is a weapon that uses "non-motorized" and not "motorized" hypersound. In the first version, these are ballistic missiles for various purposes, in the second - cruise missiles. In the first case, hypersound is achieved when the fuel is burned out, after which the rocket flies by inertia and gradually decelerates in dense layers of the atmosphere to supersonic speeds. In the second case, there must be a ramjet engine that maintains a constant hypersonic speed for a certain time. And the latter are not yet in service. A "Burevestnik" with a conventional starter will not even pull at the speed at which the supersonic ramjet will turn on, not to mention the hypersonic ramjet

    Quote: lopvlad
    For example, a missile, for example, of the same Iskander complex, which reaches hypersound only in the final flight segment, before that, flying at subsonic speed with intensive maneuvering and jamming REB.

    From this phrase of yours, Tsiolkovsky rotates in the coffin at a very high speed. Do you have to write such nonsense that the Iskander's flight speed is subsonic, and only at the last stage does it become hypersonic? Where did you get such heresy? I'm not even talking about the fact that it PHYSICALLY cannot maneuver intensively, because the operating time of the engine is quite short, and it has no gas-dynamic rudders in the bow at all. Well, as for electronic warfare - what kind of self-respecting rocket will not carry electronic warfare equipment. That's just where it is, this equipment and what is the power source for it. Can you tell us ???

    Quote: lopvlad
    to saw the only weapon from which the enemy has no means of protection for the sake of ghostly smiles and handshakes, no one will. There are no bad ones, and as for the United States, they are tearing up treaties in the hope that someone will falter.

    There are no bad ones among those who concluded the contract. And both sides understood very well that someone might have a weapon that would have an intercontinental range, but the other side might not have such a weapon for some time. Therefore, there is a special Joint Control Commission, which decides the fate of such weapons. Most often, a restriction follows, although there were cases when the system was prohibited. This is a contract. Which is a compromise. But what kind of Americans are tearing up contracts, people who write such prefer not to answer such an uncomfortable question. Here's a question for you: What strategic agreements between the USSR (Russia) - the United States were torn apart by the Americans. With a 1000% guarantee, I can say that there will be no answer from you
  33. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 28 July 2020 15: 30
    -1
    Once the overseas characters began to call for the reduction of our specific military developments, then comrades are on the right path !!!
    Keep it up!!!
  34. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 28 July 2020 15: 49
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    Quote: Kalmar
    Whichever side he flies from, at some point he will still have to be over the territory of the United States (otherwise, where does he fly at all). And there is an abundance of air defense.

    If it flies at an altitude of 25 meters, and if at an altitude of 000 meters or even higher?
    And if not just flies, but flies over the states for half a year and can only be seen through a powerful telescope, and even then as a spark flying at a speed of 25 MAX? And what kind of air defense can at least something contraindicate him besides the figurine of the lined astronomer at the telescope ???
  35. Old26
    Old26 29 July 2020 14: 19
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    Quote: Grim Skeptic
    That if it flies at an altitude of 25 meters, and if at an altitude of 000 meters or even higher ???

    A subsonic cruise missile with such planes as the Petrel and at an altitude of up to 25 km? Uhhh! Well, in space, at an altitude of 150 km, where there is practically no atmosphere, it will fly, while atmospheric air is the working medium for the Petrel engine - Strong !!! We can say FABULOUS !!!

    Quote: Gloomy Skeptic
    And if not just flies, but flies over the states for half a year and can only be seen through a powerful telescope, and even then as a spark flying at a speed of 25 MAX?

    You have to understand that you personally forbade the use of any means other than telescopes by your directive ??? Strong
    And you have to understand, following your order, the subsonic cruise missile will accelerate to speeds of Mach 25 ?? I do not know. I don’t smoke, but I’m drinking so that it seems like I’ll not drink so much, I’ll bend down to imagine how a subsonic rocket accelerates to hypersonic speed ...