Sohu spoke about the reasons for Ukraine’s refusal to sell Motor Sich to China


After Ukraine’s refusal to sell shares of Motor Sich Corporation to China, the PRC started talking about the main reason for the refusal. Chinese analysts have no doubt: the United States is to blame for what happened.


Motor Sich Corporation, before the deterioration of relations between Ukraine and Russia, almost 80% of its products, and these are engines for helicopters and aircraft, supplied to Russian enterprises. When the Russian market was lost for the Ukrainian engine industry, China took advantage of the situation.

As you know, Beijing has long dreamed of creating its own aircraft engines with a long overhaul period. Most of all, the Chinese were interested in engines installed in the world's largest Mi-26 helicopter. The Soviet technology that Motor Sich uses was supposed to help Chinese specialists work on their own engines.

In 2017, it became known about the plans for the construction of a joint factory of Motor Sich and Beijing Skyrizon Aviation Industry Investment Co in Chongqing (China). Then information appeared about the upcoming acquisition by the Chinese of a controlling stake in Motor Sich. After that, they got excited already in the United States.

The United States is now in a very difficult relationship with China and is considering the Celestial Empire as its primary military adversary. Therefore, the situation when Ukraine, seemingly dependent on the United States and funded by the United States, enters into a deal to sell shares of a strategically important enterprise with China, looked insulting to Washington.

The American leadership immediately froze the program of military assistance to Ukraine, delayed the issuance of licenses for supplies to Ukraine weapons and ammunition. Kiev turned out to have twisted hands and there was nothing left to do, how to apply political instruments to economic regulation: to achieve a waiver of a deal with China.

As a result, the Security Service of Ukraine opened a criminal case regarding the export of some of the equipment of the corporation to Chongqing. Company executives were also suspected of high treason, including the supply of parts to Russia. Naturally, in such a situation there could no longer be any talk about the further sale of shares to China.

Meanwhile, a new potential buyer of Motor Sich shares has announced. They became the American company Oriole Capital Group, the creators of which are US citizens - Nabil Barakat and Hossein Mousavi. But China intervened in the situation, which did not like this development of events. Since China is an important economic partner of Ukraine, investing considerable funds in the Ukrainian economy, quarreling with Beijing is extremely unprofitable for Kiev. As a result, the Zelensky administration found itself between two fires, but nevertheless chose the American side.

For Ukraine, perhaps the only way out would be to pay China worthy compensation for a failed deal. But it is clear that Beijing is not interested in money, so it is possible that the PRC will reduce its favorable attitude towards Ukraine after such behavior by the Kiev authorities.

News agency Sohu calls the decision of Ukraine on Motor Sich a huge concession to the United States. At the same time, analysts in the Chinese publication are optimistic: according to Chinese experts, even if the PRC does not acquire Motor Sich shares, this will not be a strong blow to Chinese engine building, since China is already actively working on creating its own aircraft engines.

The audience of the Chinese media is even more rigidly tuned: users of the resource compare Ukraine with a dog, hinting at the excessive dependence of Kiev on the United States. There is no doubt that China will still recall such behavior to Ukraine, and Kiev will experience the "severe economic" consequences of failure.
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  1. Livonetc 11 March 2020 13: 08 New
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    Actually, such a refusal is beneficial not only for the USA, but also for the Russian Federation.
    1. Hunter 2 11 March 2020 13: 14 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      Actually, such a refusal is beneficial not only for the USA, but also for the Russian Federation.

      What is the benefit of Russia? What “modern innovative” technologies does Motor Sich have? The answer is they (innovation) are absent there!
      1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 13: 18 New
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        USA are now in a very difficult relationship with China and consider the Celestial Empire as a primary military adversary.


        Chinese media, all decided for the Americans laughing
      2. Insurgent 11 March 2020 13: 21 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        What “modern innovative” technologies does Motor Sich have?

        Practically not, or rather, extremely few. But for the Chinese, and the Soviet "hurt", it’s enough with the head to develop their technologies on the basis of it.
      3. g1v2 11 March 2020 13: 27 New
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        Well, why do we need the Chinese to have the entire working line of engines for Soviet-style equipment? Innovation by innovation, but we ourselves need to restore this entire line. We won’t be able to entice specialists from Motor Sich to ourselves. ZMKB Progress named after academician A. G. Ivchenko will not be superfluous to us. It would also be nice to transport the islands. If not immediately to yourself, then at least in Belarus for starters. We are far from all import substitutes, but only the most necessary and running. This would save us time.
        1. Hunter 2 11 March 2020 13: 42 New
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          The Chinese did not actually hide that they had received all the technical documentation that they were interested in before the negotiations on the deal. Why buy an enterprise - When can I bribe several professionals?
          In the same way, Yuzhmash’s rocket technology got into North Korea ... and God knows what and where else. request
          1. g1v2 11 March 2020 13: 54 New
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            That is yes. But there is also pr-in accessories. The aircraft engine is a very complex thing, requiring compliance not only with mechanics, but also with exact matching materials. For the full reproduction of all processes, a lot of people need to lure them. It is not enough to get the drawings and transfer the assembly. In the end, we sold them the engines and they took them apart, but we still couldn’t reproduce them for sure. Well, yes. Ukrainian specialists travel around the world, giving us competitors.
          2. Egoza 11 March 2020 14: 34 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Why buy an enterprise - When can I bribe several professionals?

            Uh - uh! Do not tell! There are ready-made workshops and jobs for their Chinese. They will only go this way. And there they will take root.
      4. Alex_59 11 March 2020 13: 46 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        What “modern innovative” technologies does Motor Sich have? The answer is they (innovation) are absent there!

        But this is in vain. At the time of the start of the Maidan, Motor Sich was one of the few Ukrainian enterprises that not only did not degrade since the collapse of the USSR, but also had significant successes. D-436T engines are not very bad. Developed, although based on the Soviet backlog, but already in independent Ukraine. In many respects, this situation is of course the result of close cooperation with Russia, which through its purchases actually financed the completion of these engines. In addition, a very cool engine D-27.
        Such enterprises in Ukraine can be counted on the fingers. In fact, "Motor Sich", Antonov Design Bureau and "Dawn." There wouldn’t be anything of value there, since someone and the Chinese would not have climbed. They know where to get the technology.
        1. Den717 11 March 2020 13: 55 New
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          In addition, a very cool engine D-27.

          I would add to it the acquisition of rights to fully accompany all manufactured products and sold around the world. Maintenance and repair of such high-tech things - good money and the possibility of manipulation by customers.
      5. KCA
        KCA 11 March 2020 13: 57 New
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        China operates and buys the MI-26, with the participation of Rosvertol, designs its own helicopter of slightly lower carrying capacity, the D-136 would be very useful for them, and Russia too, we only have old reserves, and we’ll still know when to get our PD-12V
        1. Pavel57 11 March 2020 14: 07 New
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          Now PD-12V can appear faster.
      6. Vlad.by 11 March 2020 15: 44 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        What is the benefit of Russia? What “modern innovative” technologies does Motor Sich have? The answer is they (innovation) are absent there!

        Alexei, in vain you are so unfounded. The same technology for the production of hollow turbine shovels by growing crystals of wear-resistant alloys is expensive. And it is on Motor Sich.
        Moreover, they even know how to continue growing the crystal after temporarily stopping the process, which is possible only in laboratories in our country. Technology has not gone to China, and thank God!
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi 11 March 2020 23: 08 New
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          Quote: Vlad.by
          The same technology for the production of hollow turbine shovels by growing crystals of wear-resistant alloys is expensive. And it is on Motor Sich.

          And wear-resistant alloys were taken from Russia. And no one can replace them. The Americans also have them, but Ukraine will not be given even for money. Not to mention the Chinese.
          So the drawings have little. It is also necessary to have factories for the smelting of the necessary alloys.
          1. Vlad.by 12 March 2020 09: 14 New
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            Again, the allegation is unfounded. I am not Ukrainian for Russia, but the truth must be looked into the eyes.
            In Ukraine, a serious scientific and industrial base. In metallurgy, at least.
            Have you heard of the Paton Institute?
            Therefore, the less technology from there to China, the better.
      7. Volzhanin64 11 March 2020 16: 29 New
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        And it’s beneficial that Motor Sich will be bent, and Russia will eventually be able to provide repair and modernization of hundreds of helicopters around the world where their engines are used.
      8. TermNachTer 11 March 2020 20: 01 New
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        70% of the output went to Russia. D - 18 and D - 136 are not produced in Russia.
      9. bayard 11 March 2020 23: 07 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        What is the benefit of Russia? What “modern innovative” technologies does Motor Sich have?

        What technology?
        Engines for the An-124, engines for the Be-200, helicopter engines (for the entire line of Mi and Ka, including Mi-26). These are only those engines that are not produced in Russia and which will not be there for a long time.
        Or do you think the smuggling of engines from there on a bare spot and the pure altruism of Russian consumers is based? According to recent data, only in recent months several sets of engines for Ruslans and Be-200s were taken out of there by "gardens", and what kind of equilibrista with engines for helicopters ... Look at the statistics of production of helicopters for 2013 \ 14 and compare with subsequent years up to our days - how much has sunk.
        And if you recall the joint project of the An-70?
        The plane turned out to be good, and the expenses were halved ...
        And the An-148? They were collected at the Voronezh plant ... earlier ...
        And all the engines to them on the "Motor Sich" collected.
        Are there any promising developments and groundwork?
        Surely.
        Just think about the NK-93 - is there anything similar now in anyone in the world?
        And in Zaporozhye there is enough of this reserve - after all, the flagship of the Soviet aircraft engine industry.
        Everything had to be returned to itself in 2014, when all normal (overwhelmingly) Ukraine was waiting for liberation and reunification.
        I know all this from my personal experience - I live in Donetsk.
        And shipbuilding and aircraft building programs wouldn’t have gotten a stake, without engines, and many important programs would not have slowed down due to the disruption of production cooperation ... Import substitution is certainly good, but how much money, time, nerves, frozen programs could have been avoided .. If you add up all the losses and losses from the shown indecision + losses from sanctions, they will at times surpass all those inconveniences and troubles in putting things in order in YOURSELF - RUSSIAN LAND.
        Yes, for those debts and loans that Russia gave out / was going to give to Ukraine, all the most delicious enterprises in Ukraine would become the property of Russian state corporations and would work for the common good without any import substitution. Without disrupting development programs and armaments ... Without blood in the Donbass and the shameful coven in a furious Ukraine ...
        THIS IS OUR LAND!
        THERE IS OUR PEOPLE!
        THERE IS OUR ASSETS!

        It's time to make the right decisions.
    2. bar
      bar 11 March 2020 13: 18 New
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      So in vain did Trump choose? laughing
    3. Hagalaz 11 March 2020 13: 20 New
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      And indeed, the Chinese will not slow down this flight critically. But the Americans may well destroy Motor Sich. Of course, it is a pity the Soviet legacy, but we are neither warm nor cold from it. Or maybe the best, less competitor ....
      1. Lopatov 11 March 2020 16: 00 New
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        But the Americans may well destroy Motor Sich.

        Not "can" but "fall apart"
        Required.
        In order, firstly, not to produce competitors, and secondly, to prevent a repetition of the situation.

        Not immediately, gradually. In order to recapture the money. But fall apart.
        1. Hagalaz 11 March 2020 18: 35 New
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          Similarly, if I remember correctly, the shipyard in Nikolaev was destroyed, through various joint ventures.
    4. iouris 11 March 2020 15: 41 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      such a waiver is not only for the USA

      The benefit is a relic of bourgeois political economy. Severe Siberian peasants do not need profit, they are ready to freeze their ears to spite Grandfather Lenin, who, according to his precepts, mastered the production technology of aircraft engines in Communist Russia and built the Zaporizhzhya Plant, renamed Motor Sich.
  2. Masha 11 March 2020 13: 10 New
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    Chinese analysts have no doubt: the United States is to blame for what happened.

    Well, master, master ... yes
  3. Thrifty 11 March 2020 13: 16 New
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    Here the Chinese must squeeze from Ukraine the amount of dozens of figures in euros, no less, and disrupt the sale of the plant to America.
  4. knn54 11 March 2020 13: 17 New
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    Officials from the antimonopoly committee believe that in the event of a sale of shares in China, the Ukrainian company will resume business in Russia and strengthen Russian military capabilities, which would harm Ukrainian security. The SBU is even investigating a possible illegal supply of technology to Russia.
    Only China is unlikely to be satisfied with such a "weighty" reason.
  5. antivirus 11 March 2020 13: 18 New
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    holiday is always with us
    someone for the holiday-Coca-cola, someone fat, and others need engines
    The USSR traded with Yap in 41-45. while the United States and Britons drove a lease-lease, and the Yapes killed the Yankees and Tommy.
    banks (not tin cans) on all sides counted the profits and losses and continued to compete
  6. Boratsagdiev 11 March 2020 13: 26 New
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    nuuu .... they may not have bought the shares (the Chinese), but they probably bought the documents and took them out ... winked winked winked
    Like still machines wanted to buy ... what
    1. Major Yurik 11 March 2020 13: 43 New
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      Quote: BoratSagdiev
      nuuu .... they may not have bought the shares (the Chinese), but they probably bought the documents and took them out ... winked winked winked
      Like still machines wanted to buy ... what

      Knowing the Sumerian entertainers, I think that they sell design documentation separately and for a long time! Moreover, all that is valuable in engines has already been oversold. And at the factory in the safe of the former director, the type of such a document lies by force ....... yes
      1. dauria 11 March 2020 14: 06 New
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        And at the factory in the safe of the former director, the type of such a document lies by force .......


        Why Carlson must be twisted? We are not surprised that the IL-2 flies and does not spin in the opposite direction to the propeller. Damping aerodynamic moment from the pants and asymmetrical flow around the ass, creating the opposite moment. And the intestines will not give anything - this is an internal moment repeat
        Well, on the topic - the Chinese and the states are robbing Soviet plant. The work of two generations. Fun.
      2. Pereira 11 March 2020 20: 59 New
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        He spins a gyro before flying in his underpants.
        Well, on the topic - for a very long time, the Chinas have been swinging. How many transactions did I observe for this,
        I was so surprised. Did the American countermeasures not foresee? It turns out their Gazprom is cooler than our Gazprom.
  7. Avior 11 March 2020 13: 28 New
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    . For Ukraine, perhaps the only way out would be to pay China worthy compensation for a failed deal.

    Why did it happen?
    Motor is a state-owned enterprise, although some of the shares are owned by the state. But the Chinese sold a package of shares of private owners of Motor.
    While the situation was hanging, which was in the hands of Motor, the Chinese are interested in maintaining the enterprise at least until better times
  8. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 13: 33 New
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    resource users compare Ukraine with a dog, hinting at the excessive dependence of Kiev on the United States. There is no doubt that China will still recall such behavior to Ukraine, and Kiev will experience the "severe economic" consequences of failure.
    Oh, what vindictive Chinese, we had a Chinese settlement in the village, I’ve seen enough, although it was small.
  9. Polente the Wanderer 11 March 2020 13: 50 New
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    Jumping hares should wait for instructions from Uncle Sam and carrots for good behavior, and not decide something on their own
  10. Incvizitor 11 March 2020 14: 00 New
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    Tossing, sickly, between their two main features, greed and slavery.
    On the one hand, you can grab it; on the other hand, the Fshists should be served.
  11. Operator 11 March 2020 14: 08 New
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    In any case, the outskirts remained on the beans - either the production was completely relocated to China and there it would be modernized (as expected) or would fall apart (in fact) due to the lack of any need for old Soviet engines (except for the repair of dilapidated Soviet equipment).
    1. Alex_59 11 March 2020 15: 34 New
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      In any case, the outskirts remained on the beans

      Not at all necessary. If you have the quick wits, they can arrange everything as it is in “Dawn”, which falls apart and does not think. Ready-made engines for good money by Ukrainian standards can also be sold to the Chinese and Indians. And repair. And there is Africa. Or another option - Motor Sich will become a subsidiary of some PW and will continue to work, sharing the profit with the owner, of course. But they themselves will live without starvation. Quite an option.
      due to the lack of anyone's need for old Soviet engines
      D-27 and D-436 are not very Soviet. Rather, the Soviet roots, but drank them already in the event of independence. D-18 and its technology may be old, but unique, because of which it should not be considered obsolete. Based on these engines, an enterprise with its own design bureau can very well cooperate with anyone, for example, offer the adaptation of its engines to any new aircraft projects in China or India. The latter are not yet able to master engine building to the extent that they need, therefore cooperation is possible. The very same China is actively climbing into the civil aviation market, and in the class of local airliners D-436 can still give heat to competitors. Unless of course they will not improve it, increase efficiency, etc. then of course in 10-15 years it will all become irrelevant.
  12. bocman grek 11 March 2020 15: 18 New
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    Exactly. Although China did not get the production, the documentation and technology can be exported.
  13. Guru 11 March 2020 15: 29 New
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    American company Oriole Capital Group, the creators of which are US citizens - Nabil Barakat and Hossein Mousavi
    Of course, there is no longer any innovation there, but we hope that the Americans will bring something good there, and we will see.
  14. Operator 11 March 2020 15: 47 New
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    Quote: Alex_59
    Motor Sich will become a subsidiary of some PW

    Why is it PW? laughing
    1. Alex_59 11 March 2020 16: 10 New
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      Why is it PW?

      An opportunity to receive additional income from sales of engines in that niche where PW for certain reasons cannot offer or does not want to. For example, a massive supply of engines for some Chinese aircraft, which the United States officially cannot apply for, and Ukraine can, but the American company will receive the loot anyway. Plus, often those who buy Soviet (Ukrainian, Russian) equipment, for obvious reasons, do not have the capital that is needed to buy American equipment. However, this is also profit, why not send it to your pocket?
      By the way, PW in the 90s, on the wave of endless friendship, quite specifically selected for Aviadvigatel JSC and Perm Motors. Through joint projects and collaboration. Then it all came to naught, but I remember very well the period when the idea of ​​an early absorption by PW was in progress at the plant.
      1. D16
        D16 11 March 2020 20: 19 New
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        For example, the massive supply of engines for some Chinese aircraft, which the United States officially cannot apply for, and Ukraine can, but the American company will receive the loot anyway.

        Can you give an example of such a Chinese aircraft that can’t live without ukromotor?
        1. Alex_59 11 March 2020 20: 56 New
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          Quote: D16
          Can you give an example of such a Chinese aircraft that can’t live without ukromotor?

          First of all, I meant hypothetical projects of possible airliners that the PRC can begin to create in the near future, but I can offer an option for an existing aircraft. ARJ21 - especially if for some reason (aggravation of relations, sanctions, etc.) the USA will stop selling them GE CF34. I think their interest in Motor Sich is caused by the fact that I really want to get rid of dependence on the Americans in this project. And the adaptation of the D-436T to this aircraft is an elementary matter. Plus interest in the D-18.
          The truth for all this is that Motor Sich should remain either independent or become Chinese. If the Americans take Motor Sich, then China will have problems with diversifying the supply of engines in the thrust class of 5-10 tons.
          But who knows where else the D-436 can be adapted. There are Indians, all sorts of South Africa, Brazilians (although the latter have now lost independence in decision-making, they were eaten by Boeing)
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            D16 11 March 2020 21: 23 New
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            ARJ21 - especially if for some reason (aggravation of relations, sanctions, etc.) the USA will stop selling them GE CF34. I think their interest in Motor Sich is caused by the fact that I really want to get rid of dependence on the Americans in this project.

            The engine is the smallest ARJ-21 problem.
            And the adaptation of the D-436T to this aircraft is an elementary matter.

            That we should build a house. In the swamp ... And this plane is a real swamplaughing
            Plus interest in the D-18
            .
            D-18T has not been produced on the MS for 10 years already. And most importantly, why is it needed?
            There are Indians, all sorts of South Africa,

            Hindus, of course, are, but planes under D-436 are not expected from them.
            Brazilians (although the latter have now lost their independence in decision-making, they were eaten by a Boeing)

            Why should they? At their disposal engines of all normal manufacturers.
            1. Alex_59 11 March 2020 22: 14 New
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              Quote: D16
              That we should build a house.

              D30KU and D30KP. Were any problems unsolvable? Did not have. D-436 also exists in the version with mounting on the side pylon.
              Quote: D16
              And this plane is a real swamp

              May be. China is a mysterious country. But they try, they do something. Not without reason were interested in Motor Sich.
              Quote: D16
              D-18T has not been produced on the MS for 10 years already. And most importantly, why is it needed?

              Well, again, purely hypothetically - China mastered the level of IL-76. They have ambitions. Who knows, maybe they have plans to master the level of An-124?
              Quote: D16
              Hindus, of course, are, but planes under D-436 are not expected from them.

              Not yet foreseen, but these also have ambitions above the roof.
              Quote: D16
              Why should they?

              Well, this probably is not necessary, I agree.
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                D16 12 March 2020 08: 02 New
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                D30KU and D30KP. Were any problems unsolvable? Did not have. D-436 also exists in the version with mounting on the side pylon.

                He was on the side pylon on the Tu-334. Not in this case. Firstly, there are no problems with GE, and secondly, nobody has any special hopes for the plane. It would be in its original form to finish and start production, so that before the native party to report for ohreniard spent on the development of money and years. ARJ is out of date at the project development stage. IMHO if the Americans suddenly stopped selling engines for ARJ, the Chinese would gladly have buried it and would have made a new regional plane from scratch on their own or in cooperation with us, like CR-929. Under the wing of the same SSJ D-436 will not enter. Its diameter is too large.
                China mastered the level of IL-76. They have ambitions. Who knows, maybe they have plans to master the level of An-124?

                D-18T engine is far from the best in its class. In addition, they are already doing twin-engine 929th. It’s smarter to make super heavy transport aircraft on its base.
                Not yet foreseen, but these also have ambitions above the roof.

                You never know who has ambition. Opportunities and real need are important. How many of their BTA such aircraft do you need? laughing
  15. Operator 11 March 2020 16: 19 New
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    Quote: Alex_59
    mass supply of [Ukrainian] engines for some Chinese aircraft

    Trump said - all production in the US, trump did laughing
  16. lvov_aleksey 11 March 2020 19: 56 New
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    The dog in the manger is known to all. Ukraine and China, and Russia and India, or India and NATO, etc.