Forbes: How Turkey managed to inflict such massive damage to Syrian troops

Forbes: How Turkey managed to inflict such massive damage to Syrian troops

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The frames made by UAVs in the Syrian province of Idlib show dozens of destroyed tanks T-55, T-62 and T-72, armored vehicles BMP-1, short-range air defense systems "Shell-C1" and ZSU-23 "Shilka", as well as self-propelled howitzers 2C1 and 2C3, Forbes indicates, trying to figure out the reasons, which caused such massive damage.

Russia is far behind


As noted, the Turkish offensive is largely carried out due to the widespread use of shock drones and the application of high-precision artillery attacks when adjusting fire from drones.

According to Forbes, "Turkey, along with China, is a world leader in the production of armed drones." However, their range is a little over 150 km due to the limited range of the UAV controls.

However, in Russia there are no similar UAVs in the active forces

- writes the edition.

The Turkish unmanned systems Bayraktar-TB and Anka-S showed themselves to the greatest extent in Syria. The Anka, which debuted on the battlefield in the SAR, is a heavier vehicle and can carry almost three times the payload than the Bayraktar already seen in Libya. These UAVs use “micro-ammunition” - 70-mm and 160-mm missiles MAM-C and MAM-L weighing 6,35 and 22 kg, respectively.

Syrian air defense manages to bring down UAVs of these types. Given the Anka-S “weight category,” “their loss can be especially tangible, but obviously not as significant as the loss of manned aviation"Writes the publication.


Bayraktar TB (Taktik Blok) 2


Trick Air Defense


And yet, why were the losses of Turkish drones so minimal compared to the damage done?

- the publication asks a question.

Turkey reportedly used a local-produced Koral radio interference system to reduce the effectiveness of Syrian air defense radars. The “Coral”, which has a range of 200 km, is equipped with equipment designed to detect and classify enemy weapon systems, and also carries electronic warfare equipment on board for “jamming”, deceiving and reloading the enemy’s air defense.

The devastation caused by the Turkish strikes is another dramatic demonstration of the fact that today's armies need powerful electronic warfare systems and need short-range air defense capable of effectively fighting UAVs

- says Forbes.

As the publication indicates, it is noteworthy that Turkey was able to inflict such significant damage to a large extent without the participation of its forces directly at the front. Instead, Ankara relied on drone strikes or remote artillery fire. After the shelling, the Turkish proxies “captured what was left behind - similar to the strategy that the United States used against ISIS [banned in the Russian Federation] using Kurdish militants.”


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  1. Dog
    Dog 4 March 2020 02: 58 New
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    Show the author.
    This is clearly not a news article.
    1. Azazelo 4 March 2020 07: 50 New
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      Exactly for sure ... better tell me about the drone fall !!!
      1. georgiigennadievitch 4 March 2020 10: 58 New
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        The fact, however, is clear: in intelligence, and especially in combat drones, we are significantly behind the NATO countries, including and from not even the most advanced Turkey. Namely for this including the reason why Turkish artillery fire with high-precision ammunition turned out to be so effective. In addition, as it turned out, military air defense wants to be much better. Apparently the massive use of modern reconnaissance. and shock drones, it was not designed. Of course, it is not worth tearing the hair on the head and ass, but it was necessary to draw conclusions and very serious yesterday. Are we preparing for that war? and How? Questions to the General Staff, commanders-in-chief, chief designers, directors of defense research institutes and industries, etc.
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        2. Oleg Bikmukhamedov 4 March 2020 13: 53 New
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          INTERFERENCE COMPLEX (3 STATIONS + 1 CONTROL ITEM) with the shitty crew will deploy in 45 min. by this time they will already be able to determine frequencies (find classified) and put interference with a power of 1 kW into the antenna
        3. Eroma 4 March 2020 19: 52 New
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          The “success” of the Turks, if there is a place to be, is based not on highly effective weapons (although their effectiveness is not denied), but on the “immunity” of the Turkish army! You can shoot down drones, they’re like terrorists, but you can’t suppress artillery, it’s Turkish! You can beat the terrorists, among whom there are Turks, but you can’t control the drones by the KP, this is the Turkish army! And the Turks can hit the Syrian army openly.
          Syria is not able to solve the problem with high-tech and non-conventional means, due to their absence, they simply cannot destroy the Turkish means of destruction! ... otherwise the war
          Russia also enjoys "immunity", because I think it’s capable of toughly resolving the issue with the Turks, but you understand politics ...
          After the meeting, I think everything will end quietly, the Turks will be proud of “success”, and we and Syria will get what we need. Otherwise everything will be tough and there will be no more “successes”
          1. kitten 4 March 2020 23: 37 New
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            But this is called treason at headquarters.
          2. gohomeyanki 5 March 2020 02: 10 New
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            Yeah, but the main thing is that they did not write that according to the agreements of the prisoners, between Turkey, Iran, Russia. They had the right to use drones for control, and flew there as at home.
            And then, WITHOUT WARNING, they decided why not shoot them ...

            so the analytics is not complete, and the topic is revealed superficially, the main factors are not taken into account: they already knew every millimeter there, flew more than once, tested the defense 100500 times, and OFFICIALLY had the right to fly there, and the Syrians in general were not going to shoot down Turkish drones ..

            It is not explained why it suddenly began to fall from the old Soviet times since everything is so cool with them.


            ps In general, a funny article is not enough, who knows that they are allowed to fly there.
            Well, something like this:
            The author of the article let a bully into his home. The bully gave the author in Ear,
            BUT!! the author did not notice this bully, because he had black invisibility pants)
            1. ab111 5 March 2020 10: 00 New
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              I agree!
              "Enchanting" one-time Turkish "success" is only a tribute to the credulity and surprise of the application.
              Everything is the same as with our SU-24.
              1. gohomeyanki 5 March 2020 10: 51 New
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                well, I’m not so sure that they have no success, all the same they surely beat very well and they nightmare well, And they really stopped the attack.

                it’s just that the “analyst” does not take into account the suddenness factor ...
                The Germans also started effectively, ended up breaking them already in their lair, and they can write well their army is cooler, it's all a frost general ... as if the Russians were not freezing.
              2. gohomeyanki 5 March 2020 10: 53 New
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                well, it’s sad, it’s kind of like Western analytics should be strong

                but there’s an omniscience of omniscience, but the main factor is not taken into account, it’s more like propaganda of Western weapons, and the purchased article ..)
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        5. Alexey from Perm 5 March 2020 13: 57 New
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          Special thanks I want to say to urapatriotic garbage bins such as "military acceptance" and other urapatriotic fools who jump above their heads praising what is not there. These creators of the mythophobia organize the belief that everything is fine, and then there is a war over, for which others pay with blood.
      2. Struv rim 4 March 2020 12: 56 New
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        This is a piece of iron, they can be riveted tens of thousands
      3. ustinov.yuri 4 March 2020 15: 51 New
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        Are facts or “cheers” emotions important to you?
        1. vik669 4 March 2020 17: 20 New
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          The facts are important if conclusions are drawn from them and the conclusions will be on the use of UAVs and on the fight against them and to whom and from whom they will fly, time will tell, but in the absence of effective means of fighting them, it will not seem enough!
        2. YOUR 5 March 2020 02: 17 New
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          Now it’s apparently difficult to consider considering the situation of a combat aircraft against a drone. Both aircraft shot down. Which side benefits?
          Back in the 80s, research was carried out on such a rad. At first, no one was shot down by anyone, then the drone operator directs him to the ram of the plane.
          1. missuris 5 March 2020 16: 38 New
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            impossible for now. the massive drones used are low-speed subsonic, and the massive fighters and bombers used are supersonic. impossible ram.
    2. Sky strike fighter 4 March 2020 09: 37 New
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      Quote: Dog
      Show the author.
      This is clearly not a news article.

      What do you want from Forbes? Turks on Tuesday lost 3 drones at once.
      On Tuesday morning, the Syrian Air Force lost another plane in the sky over Idlib - this time an ancient Czech-made combat training L-39 (one pilot died, the second survived). Another similar aircraft was damaged, but was able to return to the base in Hama, dropping ammunition in the countryside on the way, the newspaper VZGLYAD writes.

      At the same time, the Turks lost three and a half ton drone UAVs: Bayraktar at Sarakib and two Anki at Maarat-en-Numan and the same Sarakib.

      http://in24.org/world/38819
  2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 March 2020 02: 59 New
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    How is an omnipotent electronic warfare? It would seem that drones are controlled by radio - take it and the wilderness. At what point did something go wrong?
    1. KCA
      KCA 4 March 2020 03: 26 New
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      Does any country have mobile electronic warfare systems that go along with tanks, like the Torah military air defense, and take and jam it on the fly? I myself served on connected KShM, such small radio stations, and I think that deploying an electronic warfare machine with its antenna and other facilities takes far more than one hour, if not completely wisely, then not one day, during which time it is very likely the deployment area several times will pass from hand to hand, not to mention shelling from the same UAVs, artillery, and just martyrs with machine guns, even barmales with small arms and RPGs with ATGMs, besides, do Syrians have EW forces in general? Or should we substitute ours?
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 March 2020 04: 12 New
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        Quote: KCA
        Or should we substitute ours?
        Well, that is, Erdogan told Russia to leave him alone with Assad, and Russia happily did it?

        And how many cocky comments there were - https://topwar.ru/168475-jerdogan-poprosil-putina-ostavit-ankaru-odin-na-odin-s-damaskom.html
        1. KCA
          KCA 4 March 2020 05: 08 New
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          That is, Assad asked Russia to help in the fight against ISIS and other riffraff, and not to fight against Turkey, Syria is still at war with Israel, and we fit in there, start bombing Israel, or immediately enter the coordinates in the ICBM and implement the dream of Iranian fanatics is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 March 2020 05: 31 New
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            Quote: KCA
            That is, Assad asked Russia to help in the fight against ISIS and other riffraff, and not to fight against Turkey
            But Turkey is not “ISIS and the other riffraff” now, which Assad is knocking out of Idlib, supporting from the air by striking his drones?
          2. Dog
            Dog 4 March 2020 08: 58 New
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            Quote: KCA
            Assad asked Russia to help in the fight against ISIS and other riffraff, and not to fight against Turkey

            What is the difference between the representative of the same riffraff, to whom the Turks issued their uniforms, from the Turk, in exactly the same form, standing in the ranks of the riffraff and with all the riffraff who is shooting the Syrian soldier on his own land?
            1. vik669 4 March 2020 17: 26 New
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              And how did this riffraff appear and exist in the Syrian-Turkish border area!
          3. Python 57 4 March 2020 09: 14 New
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            And in response to receive a massive nuclear attack by Jericho on cities with millionaires! It’s better to fight Turkey!)))) It is much safer!
            1. Xenofont 4 March 2020 11: 45 New
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              What are you terrible? Are you threatening from Israel?
            2. Dog
              Dog 4 March 2020 14: 51 New
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              Quote: Python 57
              receive in response a massive strike by nuclear Jericho

              The question was sorted out from your land to cover, he didn’t finally explain how he sees the "inevitable" retaliatory strike of Israel, turned in just a couple of minutes into a radioactive deserted desert by a couple of Boreans. The position of your land was this: there will be 2 on-duty diesel-electric submarines on duty at sea, who will not die along with the rest of Israel and, after hitting Israel (“quote”), “they will burn out all the air defense around”, after which the Jerechons will safely fly and take revenge on someone where something, it is not clear who directed. How can 2 boats burn air defense with a dozen dozen missiles for two, and what is the difficulty, before hitting Israel, to meet these vessels at the exit (since Israel does not have secret deployment forces), escort them and preventively fail at "hour x"?
              Do you, in contrast to your fellow countryman, have anything to say about this except slogans?
              1. However, dear 4 March 2020 23: 55 New
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                Yes, that Israel was given to you again? Behind him the United States, if that. You will not do anything to Israel. Some show-offs are cheap. At least deal with Turkey. This is only one NATO country.
              2. Krasnodar 5 March 2020 01: 33 New
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                Quote: Dog
                Quote: Python 57
                receive in response a massive strike by nuclear Jericho

                The question was sorted out from your land to cover, he didn’t finally explain how he sees the "inevitable" retaliatory strike of Israel, turned in just a couple of minutes into a radioactive deserted desert by a couple of Boreans. The position of your land was this: there will be 2 on-duty diesel-electric submarines on duty at sea, who will not die along with the rest of Israel and, after hitting Israel (“quote”), “they will burn out all the air defense around”, after which the Jerechons will safely fly and take revenge on someone where something, it is not clear who directed. How can 2 boats burn air defense with a dozen dozen missiles for two, and what is the difficulty, before hitting Israel, to meet these vessels at the exit (since Israel does not have secret deployment forces), escort them and preventively fail at "hour x"?
                Do you, in contrast to your fellow countryman, have anything to say about this except slogans?

                1) Retaliation blow, let’s say, in Pakistan, nobody will do to cities with millionaires - any retaliation strike goes on unprotected objects
                2) You with your demagogy laughing Yes, what kind of a couple of Boreev there is - with dozens of objects you need to hit dozens of objects with a monoblock deep))
                3) Anti-aircraft defense will be allowed only in Syria - two - three - miserable Dolphins will be enough for these objects, and if with Jericho 2’s strike, useless against Pakistan, then Syria and Lebanon will be enough
                4) These vessels have a lot of advantages)) Meet them when? Upon returning from duty, on entering duty? 2 or 3? And if it gets hot - 4?
                5) Israel has no funds - Russia's budget of 304 billion dollars for almost 145 million people
                Israel’s budget for about 9 million inhabitants is 137 billion dollars. No cash? lol
                6) Slogans about two Boreas, three Maces, four Satans, five Angels - you have)).
                1. Dog
                  Dog 5 March 2020 09: 12 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  retaliation strikes unprotected objects

                  In the waters of the Mediterranean Sea, you can get angry with rage, for example.

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Air defense will be installed only in Syria

                  Strange statement. Does the air defense fleet take off in the bases when they are going on a campaign?

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Meet them when?

                  Everything was invented here before us - at the exit from the bases.

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  No cash?

                  Thinking of paying the enemy to let your boats pass? A way to ensure covert deployment of a submarine group in the Israeli manner.

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Slogans

                  Slogans
                  1. Krasnodar 5 March 2020 09: 19 New
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                    1) And it is possible in most cities of Pakistan - only Islamabad, Karachi and a couple of dozen military facilities are normally covered there))
                    2) The Pakistani fleet is so - inferior to the Turkish
                    3) How do you know what duty schedule and how rotations occur? One, two? What to graze, what to catch? )))
                    4) Slogans, absolutely right - the length of Israel along the Mediterranean Sea is very small laughing
          4. Piramidon 4 March 2020 09: 15 New
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            Quote: KCA
            fulfill the dream of Iranian fanatics - wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

            In VO there are no less such fanatics than in Iran.
        2. Dog
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          how many cocky comments there were

          The fact that "our elite" may fail, spitting on the truth and aspirations of the people, we know after Donbass.
        3. antique 4 March 2020 12: 51 New
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          Most likely so. This is exactly what Putin is doing when Israel attacks Damascus. Actually, if the Turks squeeze Assad, it will be a powerful knockout for Putin. The image of a strong Russia will collapse. Against the Turks, Russia will not be able to speak. Silenok is not enough. Zug Zwang for Putin.
          1. Dog
            Dog 4 March 2020 14: 53 New
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            Quote: Antique
            Against the Turks, Russia will not be able to speak. Silenok is not enough

            Belena in Turkish gardens went wild?
            1. ratcatcher 4 March 2020 20: 23 New
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              Well, open up a performance plan or something, just kidding about the bleach ... How will we fight with a basurman? The Black Sea Fleet together with the Mediterranean group is weaker than the Turkish one. The Turks have only 13 submarines there, with modern, new ones, against a pair of Varshavyanka. At the same time, our anti-submarine ships are not really there, and our RTOs without any anti-submarine protection to drown the Turks will be fun and pleasant. There is no common border with Turkey in order to massively use the land army (our superiority). At the closure of the Bosphorus, it will not be possible to supply the Syrian group normally. And this is not Soviet times for you, so as Gromyko to declare that we will open the Bosphorus with several missile salvos. Do not open. How are you going to fight? Exchange airstrikes? While the Turks are spreading the Syrian army and our group there? Well, the losses will be, of course.
              At the same time, they will cover the "Turkish stream".
              1. MKPU-115 4 March 2020 21: 38 New
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                We will warm up the PKK with instructors, anti-tank systems and MANPADS, etc. etc.
              2. Dog
                Dog 5 March 2020 08: 04 New
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                Quote: ratcatcher
                plan

                The plan is, as in all recent wars between the parties, one of which has a longer "arm" in the form of a developed missile weapon, for example. Missile weapons are carried out by enemy air defense, as well as its key points of its military and political infrastructure. Here the range of the same calibers is enough to work even from the coast of our country to the whole depth of Turkey. Further, when there is no more enemy air defense, we are finalizing key infrastructure points with the help of aviation.
                Further, you can occupy the straits and go along with the Kurds to seek their independence in the regions of Turkey inhabited by them.
                Everything - from Turkey remains what no one is interested in.
                1. ratcatcher 7 March 2020 02: 03 New
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                  What a wonderful paper strategy :) Only you are aware that after the allies ironed Serbia from the air, with minimal resistance from it, the Serbs remained more than 70 percent combat-ready in the army. And if Milosevic had not given up resistance (which, incidentally, was quite reasonable), then it would have been very difficult to fight the Allies from NATO. Remember how you fought with Iraq. And how did they iron Baghdad from the air? And how many thousands of rockets fired at the same time. Only the effectiveness was very small. And this is in the complete absence of resistance to airstrikes. In the case of Turkey, against 4000 aircraft and helicopters throughout our country, the Turks have 1000. It’s good to offer significant resistance. At the same time, although other NATO countries are unlikely to enter into an open conflict on the side of the Turks, they will be helped (and put pressure on the Russian Federation). Therefore, all these arguments about long arms, they are good on paper. How many “calibers” are there - you should count it before making distant plans ... A volley of three missile frigates is only 32 calibers. Almost two times less than the United States fired last year at the airfield in Syria without much damage ... And what about the straits gathered to occupy, let me ask?) A couple of landing ships? :)
                  This is ridiculous ...
                  Yes, you can pinch Turkey with missiles and airstrikes. And mutually harm the fleets. And actually all. But during the full-scale military operation of the ground forces, the Turks will be quite able to defeat the SAA and our small forces, which are there to help them. The only thing that thought can hold them back is - and suddenly, without a common border, these Russians nevertheless shy away from their tactical nuclear. A little stops.
                  The Turks do not want to, because they themselves will suffer losses. And the gain from this whole war will not be so great. It is more profitable to trade with them than to fight. And vice versa ...
            2. However, dear 5 March 2020 00: 28 New
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              Nobody will wave the boreas and other vigorous loaves for Syria. The enemy understands this too. Erdogan with his "high-precision tomatoes" can Assad even gouging. Only he does not really need it. At least so far it looks like this. Maybe what will be agreed tomorrow ... And if not, building up a war without logistics will be difficult ...
        4. adept666 5 March 2020 08: 29 New
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          Well, that is, Erdogan told Russia to leave him alone with Assad, and Russia happily did it?
          Nobody left anyone, look at the cards. VKS beat on green bless you, drones have already rested (the front is large, the speed of advance is large along the entire front line, the forces are dispersed and it was simply not possible to provide military air defense on the entire front quickly). The Turks concentrated their strikes on one site and there was local success, now everything that they have fought has already been returned back to the control of the SAA, more than 12 heavy drones have landed, small ones are not even considered. It is not Putin who goes to Constantinople, but the Sultan to Moscow, and even indulgently agreed to talk with him, and it is not known how this will end.
      2. antique 4 March 2020 10: 48 New
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        Why talk about deploying electronic warfare when the range of some systems is hundreds of kilometers? It’s perfectly possible to do these things from a positional area. Another thing is that there was no team. Most likely, Putin simply passed Assad. As happened more than once. It is in his style.
    2. 32363 4 March 2020 03: 37 New
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      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      How is an omnipotent electronic warfare? It would seem that drones are controlled by radio - take it and the wilderness. At what point did something go wrong?

      so long ago began, without any analogue, no world, we are the first and only, ahead of the planets all ... how much longer will you get the noodles from TV? in fact, everyone has such a weapon and even better, but they don’t scream about it from the TV screens, and then the questions begin, at what point did it go wrong?
    3. Nikolai Grek 4 March 2020 05: 20 New
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      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      At what point did something go wrong?

      at the time when some took at face value the reports of the Turks about +100500 trillion losses of the Syrian army !!! request wassat forbes is foolishly analyzing knowingly false information !! laughing it would be better to have dashed to Turkey, and found out for sure that the lurks of the Turkish invaders and other evil spirits destroyed the Syrian military !! wink lol
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        At what point did something go wrong?

        at the time when some took at face value the reports of the Turks about +100500 trillion losses of the Syrian army !!! request wassat forbes is foolishly analyzing knowingly false information !! laughing it would be better to have dashed to Turkey, and found out for sure that the lurks of the Turkish invaders and other evil spirits destroyed the Syrian military !! wink lol

        By the way, many Russian citizens serve or served in the Turkish army, I am familiar with such Meskhetian Turks.
        1. Nikolai Grek 4 March 2020 05: 46 New
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          by the way a lot of Russian citizens

          it is nominally they can be ranked among the Russians !!! wink they are the same Russians as the liberd who dreams of the collapse of Russia !! wassat laughing
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            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            Quote: 32363
            by the way a lot of Russian citizens

            it is nominally they can be ranked among the Russians !!! wink they are the same Russians as the liberd who dreams of the collapse of Russia !! wassat laughing

            and what’s wrong with them ?, they live in Russia, with the opening of the tour. They migrate to Turkey as citizens of this country and work there in shops and at hotels.
      2. adept666 5 March 2020 08: 31 New
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        at the time when some took at face value the reports of the Turks about +100500 trillion losses of the Syrian army !!!
        Especially in the "paint" hackneyed fake videos of the destruction of turtles delivered ...
    4. SOF
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      At what point did something go wrong?

      .... get fucked up on the site of pan-leg-brews pre-popped ..... and ... by the way .... the halo of their habitat has grown significantly - Kazakhstan also started breeding ..... belay
      .... as they say in tyrnet - thanks for the Crimea? ... wink
  3. Far B 4 March 2020 03: 04 New
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    “Doctor, no matter how hard I try, I cannot my wife more than three times a night! And a neighbor says that he can do his own 12-15 times a night! - So you say you can, who's stopping you?”
    But seriously, then pay attention, IMHO, now it is only worth the losses, confirmed by both parties to the conflict. And what one side voices is bravado and propaganda. Turks in early February in response to the killing of three of their soldiers already destroyed dozens of Syrian troops. On the pages of their media, of course. What was there in fact - God knows who and how many losses have been incurred in manpower, you will not establish. With UAVs and airplanes it is more difficult to hide / attribute victories to yourself, but it is also possible. Losses will become more or less clear only at the end of the conflict, but also not a fact. So for now - only two-way confirmation.
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      The Americans continued to claim that the F-117 was not shot down, despite the evidence of eyewitnesses and participants in the event, and the dances of the Serbs on the wreckage of the aircraft, and how many and what was shot down at all is unknown even 20 years later
    2. Kisa 4 March 2020 06: 13 New
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      I admit the commercial side of the issue, the Turks are now clamoring with these drones and advertising will not hurt. But ignoring and denying is also stupid. It is now at Anka’s 200 km speed and load-bearing funny but it’s interesting to see them in 10 years. And it’s important to keep up to date and not hats from the sofa
      1. Dog
        Dog 4 March 2020 09: 10 New
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        It is now at Anka’s 200 km speed and load-bearing funny but it’s interesting to see them in 10 years.

        Will Anushka grow up? So then it will cost as a large manned board. It’s easier then to secure a manned aircraft in 10 years than to cultivate these crafts of young Turkish model-designers to the qualities of a real fighter.
    3. ratcatcher 4 March 2020 20: 26 New
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      What bilateral confirmation, if there is still no such confirmation in exact figures for losses in the Second World War. The Germans have one in the battle reports, ours have another. Only in general calculations is the estimate correct. This is a war - everyone ascribes or understates.
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    "Russia is far behind"

    An UAV is good against "barmaley" or civilians .. It is not clear how to use it against a full-fledged army, even as a spy it is not cost-effective.
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      "Full army" - the one that is covered by the Shell? Yes, use the norms. In recent days, two pieces of Shell have already taken out.
      1. ApJlekuHo 4 March 2020 03: 22 New
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        I’m writing a full-fledged army, what does the barmaley with the “Shells” have to do with it? It is not necessary to demand a lot from the Syrians, they learned to ride on tractors with guns for 9 years, it is too early to defend them.
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 March 2020 03: 41 New
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          What is the difference between barmalei with shells and a full-fledged army in terms of countering shock drones?
          1. ApJlekuHo 4 March 2020 03: 45 New
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            By professionalism, isn't that obvious?
          2. Graz 4 March 2020 04: 38 New
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            you finish fake news, riveting
            the Turks didn’t destroy any shells, they destroyed a similar Roland air defense installation of the 80s of the German Pro-va, this has already been proved
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 4 March 2020 04: 42 New
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              Yes, and the T-72 also did not destroy, destroyed the "Abrams". Already proved, everyone knows this.
              1. Levin 4 March 2020 18: 51 New
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                Well, what have you destroyed from this? There are no invincible complexes. Compare better how many of these systems destroyed missiles for the entire service there and how many were lost and stop hysteria angry
            2. lBEARl 4 March 2020 09: 14 New
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              Yes, and Roland was in Libya.
            3. ApJlekuHo 4 March 2020 18: 45 New
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              And you end up being paranoid, I wrote for UAVs, I don’t know about the news about the Shell, he himself clung to me. negative
        2. ratcatcher 4 March 2020 20: 28 New
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          It is very funny to read about the fact that the Syrians are such dropouts. I remember recently there were just so many comments that if Erdogan crawls, then he will have the most experienced Syrian army in the region, which has been fighting like this for 10 years, with its immeasurable combat experience ...
          1. ApJlekuHo 4 March 2020 21: 48 New
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            Shooting from Ak and shooting down air targets is still two big differences. From the commercials from "Anna", it can be judged that the tankers from them are solid. But the T-72 is being induced and the "Shell" are two different things. Over the 10 years of the war, worship has grown, in which probably not everyone can read. For example, in the Russian Federation, for a contract in air defense, they accept (preferably) no lower than secondary specialized technical education. And military service in the air defense is gradually being abolished.
            1. ratcatcher 4 March 2020 23: 12 New
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              In Soviet times, air defense was done by conscripts ...
              There are Syrians air defense. And Israel is at hand and drone attacks are constantly taking place.
              And the question is why Turkish drones are not shot down by aircraft, against which drones are practically powerless. Can’t they spot on approach?
              1. ApJlekuHo 5 March 2020 03: 14 New
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                In Soviet times, Soviet people lived.
                The Turks were well deployed on their border, and the VP and the SAA were jumping along the ruins there. Judging by the reports, the drones are already knocking down, air defense felts, roofing felds jamming electronic warfare.
      2. oprovergatel 4 March 2020 17: 40 New
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        These Turkish fakes have already been refuted. But cranks on paycheck continue to distribute them.
      3. adept666 5 March 2020 08: 34 New
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        "Full army" - the one that is covered by the Shell? Yes, use the norms. In recent days, two pieces of Shell have already taken out.

        Proofs to the studio, but only fake videos do not need to be shown where, after being destroyed by the shell, it is not clear on which chassis the track moves in a groan laughing
      4. Nikolay Balashov 6 March 2020 20: 19 New
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        Well, Carapace E is not the same as Carapace S. There is not one radar there, but instead only optical - electronic tracking. Carapace - E is intended to bring down planes and KR. He does not see planning ammunition at a distance, and when he sees (if he sees at all) - it’s too late to respond. And they were struck already after the missiles were used up. And the optical - electronic channel does not have an automatic mode of operation, which would put and go out to smoke.
    2. shahor 4 March 2020 18: 27 New
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      Quote: ApJlekuHo
      How to use it against a full-fledged army is not clear, even as a spy it is not cost-effective.

      The Turks showed this 2 days ago, when they used a swarm of drones. Over a dozen cars in a limited area. Frolicked as they wanted ... Previously, it was believed that only Israel is capable of such a war in BV, but here are surprises! And further. I watched videos taken from drones as they ironed the Syrians. One surprised me - the destruction of the Shell. Slowly flew up, circled over him - and shied. At the same time, the Shell was clearly in combat mode - the radar was rotating. Didn’t he see the drone point blank?
      1. Levin 4 March 2020 18: 54 New
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        The ammunition is over. Loners do not survive. Only the battery works efficiently.
      2. ApJlekuHo 4 March 2020 21: 19 New
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        Didn’t he see the drone point blank?


        Everyone has already watched this video and point blank there did not see the "Shell".

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kH16QQgNw


        If you are talking about this video, then listen to this version.
      3. Nikolay Balashov 6 March 2020 20: 20 New
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        Read a little higher. Why not see.
  5. Gennady Fomkin 4 March 2020 03: 10 New
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    News about what?
  6. loki565 4 March 2020 03: 26 New
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    So sho, when will we disassemble the fake about the next destroyed Syrian shell ???)))
    There are opinions that this is a gluing, as well as some believe that the video Roland
    1. Dimonk 4 March 2020 04: 57 New
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      Yes the video is a clean montage. Before the explosion, the track is behind, after the oncoming side negative
      1. loki565 4 March 2020 05: 00 New
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        It also struck my eye, and even the track before the explosion of 8x8 and after 4x4 some sort of hack.
      2. Nikolay Balashov 6 March 2020 20: 22 New
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        Exactly how I did not immediately notice! Respect!
    2. Stalllker 4 March 2020 06: 45 New
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      And this is generally armor ?????
  7. tolmachiev51 4 March 2020 03: 47 New
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    Syrian Army !!! -Are you serious? For six years, with our efforts, we managed to put together at least a little combat-ready units.
  8. Stalllker 4 March 2020 03: 56 New
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    Firstly, chickens are counted in the fall. And secondly, in the same “autumn” we’ll calculate how much Turkey’s money will face this “little war” and the dead soldiers. And will the Sultan achieve his goals at all! I doubt it
    1. Vladivostok1969 4 March 2020 04: 39 New
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      Firstly, chickens are counted in the fall. And secondly, in the same “autumn” we’ll calculate how much Turkey’s money will face this “little war” and the dead soldiers. And will the Sultan achieve his goals at all!

      To put it mildly speaking, it’s not proper to count other people's money. The Turks spend it, I think, much less than the “other” side of the conflict. The logistics with the Turks are different.
    2. Sardanapalus 4 March 2020 05: 09 New
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      Do you know much how much we got to stay in Syria? here you go request You think the edrogan will voice the score.
      1. Stalllker 4 March 2020 06: 39 New
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        No more expensive than exercises on the territory of Russia, and here is combat experience, it is invaluable. The death of soldiers is sad, but they are soldiers to protect their country and the interests of the country in adjacent territories
        1. antique 4 March 2020 10: 59 New
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          Is it not too long, we are acquiring combat experience in Syria? All this gimmick reminds me of Vietnam.
          A loud beginning, victorious relations, and an inglorious end. Russia is too weak to demonstrate its international ambitions. Politics is a continuation of the economy. We have no economy, as we know. Accordingly, politics is adventurous in nature. At the level of courtyard "multi-paths". With the world grandmasters of the Big Game, it’s useless to fight like that. Spend check and checkmate. Which seems to be happening. The gas strategy collapsed, the victorious bonding warriors approaching the shameful finale.
          1. dali 5 March 2020 00: 40 New
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            Quote: Antique

            Is it not too long, we are acquiring combat experience in Syria? All this gimmick reminds me of Vietnam.


            Who are we ?! belay laughing belay

            Secondly, and as in the first ... combat experience must be acquired continuously, there is little combat experience ...

            You would go back to first grade, maybe you’ll understand something ... laughing
            1. antique 5 March 2020 13: 36 New
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              To the question of Syria and We. Where does such a condescending tone come from? An experienced personnel troll, a putinoid type? Have you been to Syria? Have you gained combat experience? Can you imagine the climate there? I was. Therefore, I politely send you to Syria for experience. Run, march!
              1. Stalllker 7 March 2020 06: 44 New
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                When he smokes, but everywhere happens
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            Good broom to smoke
        2. Sardanapalus 6 March 2020 00: 46 New
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          Edrogash also does the same. So there’s no reason to expect the Turks to stop the financial issue or insignificant losses. Only serious damage will make them forget about the northern territories of Syria.
    3. Steen 4 March 2020 08: 22 New
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      Yes, how much can you measure everything with money? Yes, any army in the world .. (equal) how much the fighting costs. They will definitely not die of hunger.
      1. Stalllker 4 March 2020 09: 00 New
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        Yes, it’s not .. (I’m equal) !!! ... You’ll tell me that they’ll be jumping with the Turks in the villages now !!!)))) “This money doesn’t matter!”
    4. From Siberia we 4 March 2020 09: 04 New
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      and Russia, how much will Russia get up?
      1. Stalllker 4 March 2020 09: 14 New
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        I already answered this question, read above
      2. Steen 4 March 2020 09: 25 New
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        Do not ask such questions, zamusuyut. We are strong, we bring only peace, grace and go to heaven. On such a sacred action and smsk to the extreme will gather. The rest will spend money, give up and die.
      3. dali 5 March 2020 00: 44 New
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        Quote: From Siberia we
        and Russia, how much will Russia get up?

        Are you really from Siberia? Although it looks more like you are from the Liberastia of the Ukrainian spill wassat .
  9. East Kazakhstan 4 March 2020 05: 42 New
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    Well - war is always a test of systems and people. I must admit - they pushed ... the Lyuli of the Turks! Well done! High tech war. But Russia does not have such systems. All those same Su 24/25/27. And that's it. And air defense - so-so.
    1. 1Alexey 4 March 2020 09: 43 New
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      Quote: East Kazakhstan
      And air defense - so-so.

      If it were “so-so”, then our base in Khmeimim would have been destroyed long ago.
    2. oprovergatel 4 March 2020 17: 45 New
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      You would have taken care of your nude cavalry, nomad. And not about someone else's technique, to which you and people like you, like walking to the moon. Have you learned for a long time not to wipe your hand?
  10. Rusj 4 March 2020 06: 31 New
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    The death toll reaches 120 soldiers and officers at least. Over the past three weeks, Turkey has lost at least 40 tanks, about 50 armored vehicles, 18 multiple launch rocket systems, more than 10 drones and one short-range air defense system in Syria. This is according to independent monitoring resources, which note that Ankara hides true losses primarily for domestic political reasons, disguising the victims as missing.
    1. Steen 4 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      50 tanks ??? God save you, do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner.
      1. dali 5 March 2020 00: 49 New
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        50 tanks ??? God save you, do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner.

        What newspapers do you read? Bulba News? laughing laughing laughing
        Duck there still 2015, the division was knocked out ...
    2. KURT330 4 March 2020 08: 39 New
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      Can I ask for links?
  11. Rusj 4 March 2020 06: 34 New
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    As EADaily reported, the Turkish army is trying to turn the tide in Idlib so that by the upcoming meeting of Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan on March 5 in Moscow, they will take a more favorable negotiating position. The Turkish-Islamic group of forces pulls together reinforcements (armored vehicles, special forces, artillery, electronic warfare equipment) to the city of Sarakib and near Kafr Nabal. One of these columns, moving on the night of March 2 to Sarakibu, near the village of Kminas, was completely destroyed by Syrian aircraft. Among the Turkish military there are many killed and dozens of wounded.
  12. Amateur 4 March 2020 06: 37 New
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    "Full army" - the one that is covered by the Shell? Yes, use the norms. In recent days, two pieces of Shell have already taken out.

    - The Israeli Defense Ministry published a video of the defeat of the Syrian Shell. You studied this episode, why did they manage to destroy it?
    - This "Shell" of the Syrian armed forces managed to hit eight targets, and it just did not have any rockets left. The combat crew left the car and stood nearby - waiting for a transport-loading car with new ammunition. One person from the combat crew, as seen in the video, ran - he apparently had a phone in the car. It was impossible to do so - it was necessary to immediately withdraw the fighting vehicle from the position after the ammunition was shot, immediately, then everything would be fine.
    (TASS, interview with the chief designer of the complex Valery Slugin on the effectiveness of the use of the "Shell" in real hostilities. 29.01.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    1. Rusj 4 March 2020 06: 43 New
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      Who endured ?! Photo to the studio! It’s as if Fake News was damaged, but there are no intelligible photos and no one comments on this fact. Or maybe already 5 and 1 more C300.
    2. Rusj 4 March 2020 07: 46 New
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      The destruction of the "Carapace" in Libya and not in Syria caused well-founded doubts. Apparently, the Roland air defense system was destroyed. Source: http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2208&p=13#p1304633 ...
  13. stone 4 March 2020 06: 44 New
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    This Anka is strikingly similar to the Israeli Hermes -900
    1. Vitaly gusin 4 March 2020 07: 48 New
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      Quote: stone
      This Anka is strikingly similar to the Israeli Hermes -900

      You are not mistaken
      In 2009, the Heron UAV was leased to Israel and Turkey was rolling out its development on its basis.
      1. borberd 4 March 2020 19: 08 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin

        In 2009, the Heron UAV was leased to Israel and Turkey was rolling out its development on its basis.

        When the relationship was still good, the Turks received the technology of Israeli drones. Erdogan then ruined this relationship. Since then, Israeli unmanned technology has stepped far forward, while Turkish remained at the 2009 level. But even they were enough to shock the Syrians.
        1. Vitaly gusin 4 March 2020 20: 02 New
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          Quote: borberd
          When the relationship was still good,

          I can fix it, very good. Turkish pilots took flight courses in Israel, and all Air Force exercises took place in Turkey. And each time in a different area, in order to be able to fight in an unfamiliar, mountainous terrain.
          Quote: borberd
          Erdogan then ruined this relationship

          Yes, he was still the mayor of Istanbul, he preached radical Islam, while the country was secular, for which he was imprisoned.
          Well, and then he took revenge on the highest military ranks.
          Quote: borberd
          But even they were enough to shock the Syrians.

          And not only the Syrians.
  14. 5-9
    5-9 4 March 2020 07: 40 New
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    Given the considerable losses of UAVs by Turks in Libya from the fire of the Arab international, and in recent days in Idlib, the question is how many do they have left at all?
    Anka, incidentally, is 15 lyam bucks. Such (large impact) UAVs at the entrance to the air defense zone are not residents, regardless of the nationality of the UAV or air defense. Well, of course, they destroyed something there, but what is the cost / effectiveness criterion?
    1. Elephant 4 March 2020 10: 46 New
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      Quote: 5-9
      But what is the cost / effectiveness criterion?

      Apparently for the Turks, the end justifies the means! In fact, a new territorial seizure is taking place from Turkey. At the same time, one cannot hear the cries of "world hegemons", as was the case with the Russian Crimea.
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        Well, consider the UAVs "run out", the goal has not been achieved ... if the goal was only to portray a powerful-strong high-tech attack, we panimir before the negotiations and for a public relations picture for internal and external consumption. Actually Forb grabbed and relayed.
  15. askort154 4 March 2020 07: 57 New
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    Forbes: How Turkey managed to inflict such massive damage to Syrian troops

    Any war is accompanied by information. On whose side Forbes, guessing is not necessary. Turkey took control of the Internet, and YouTube blocked it altogether.
    And the biggest advantage of the Turkish army is that hostilities are conducted 25-50 km from its border. She can use all types of weapons without getting an answer, on her territory. This removal allows you to actively use UAVs for reconnaissance, target designation and attacks. Along the way, in the media to belittle the capabilities and vulnerability of Russian weapons to Turkish (western). All sorts of Western and Russophobic media resources, such as Forbes, actively help them in this, without disdaining fakes.
    1. Rusj 4 March 2020 08: 11 New
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      Fake news this resource and article!
  16. Maz
    Maz 4 March 2020 08: 17 New
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    media = https: //t.me/boris_rozhin/11170
    we are in serakiba, sometimes it’s useful to just neighing the enemy
    1. core 4 March 2020 14: 19 New
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      that’s the whole point. it seems like all of these "advanced" on unmanned gliders assassinated Assad in the trash, and then the damn smoke settled, and Assad again or again in Syraciba! laughing
  17. KURT330 4 March 2020 08: 26 New
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    [/ quote] Turkey, along with China, is a world leader in the production of armed drones [quote]

    Incorrect comparison. The Israelis are more truthful in this regard. Turks in this regard in the top three "USA, Israel, Turkey"
  18. Maxim364364 4 March 2020 08: 56 New
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    I don’t understand one thing, they wrote that they included Krasukha in Syria, so at a decent range F22 and F35 almost landed the radiation that accidentally entered her zone. And then Turkish drones with a limited control range of 150 km? It is clear that the opinion of the amateur, you need to take into account many factors, the relief, but what prevents you from using full electronic warfare so that everything flying in immediately falls?
    1. Winnie76 4 March 2020 09: 50 New
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      Quote: Maksim364364
      but what prevents using full EW so that everything flying in immediately falls?

      The Turkish border is close and beyond it is relatively safe to base electronic warfare and control centers drones. And where is it safe to base EW Syrians? A minimum of 100 kilometers. The radiation power decreases with the square of the distance.
  19. Vladimir Belov_2 4 March 2020 09: 06 New
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    This proves that Turkey is an aggressor. And where is the UN Security Council?
    1. aszzz888 4 March 2020 10: 19 New
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      Vladimir Belov_2 (Vladimir Belov) Today, 09:06
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      This proves that Turkey is an aggressor. And where is the UN Security Council?
      And the UN Security Council requires only RUSSIA and the SAR to stop thrashing the barmalei. The whole West, for today, recognizes)) the Barmalei opposition B. Assad. That’s how they had it, but it was like that before that. wink
  20. roll 4 March 2020 09: 18 New
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    Well done Turks who beat this scum, well done Asad people that beat the Turkish scum. The main thing is that no one quickly won.
  21. Vitaly Chernov 4 March 2020 09: 20 New
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    Advertising article. A drone with sad small missiles cannot decant a lot and terribly into the trash. This is a niche of carpet bombing. The budget option is selective, but still a lot and often
    1. 1Alexey 4 March 2020 09: 52 New
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      Quote: Vitaly Chernov
      A drone with sad small missiles cannot decant a lot and terribly into the trash. This is a niche of carpet bombing.

      One drone cannot, but there was a message that the Turks used a "swarm" of drones. In such a situation, it is most effective to use electronic warfare rather than air defense.
      1. Dog
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        Quote: 1Alexey
        "swarm" of drones.

        All 4 shock anchors? Swarm so swarm
        1. 1Alexey 4 March 2020 14: 18 New
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          Quote: Dog
          Quote: 1Alexey
          "swarm" of drones.

          All 4 shock anchors? Swarm so swarm

          There not only Anki were used.

          You are apparently poorly aware of the types of shock drones used against Syria.
          1. Dog
            Dog 4 March 2020 16: 31 New
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            Quote: 1Alexey
            Not only

            How many?
            1. 1Alexey 4 March 2020 18: 15 New
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              Quote: Dog
              How many?

              http://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/Статья:Боевые_роботы_и_беспилотники
              And also:
              https://lenta.ru/news/2020/03/02/roy/
          2. Nikolai Grek 4 March 2020 18: 08 New
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            Quote: 1Alexey
            You are apparently poorly informed

            what Interesting, from what trench you write? !!! wassat laughing
  22. Olddetractor 4 March 2020 09: 46 New
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    Forbes seems to make us all disabled in the information war. We stick out one, hide the other, here we play. we don’t play here, but here we wrapped the fish ...
    A little more and they will win, as the exceptional in Afghanistan won all these years.
  23. Real Vugluskr 4 March 2020 10: 22 New
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    Be that as it may, for the Russian Federation in this story there are many advantages.

    1. To see without interference what the Turkish Armed Forces are capable of. Their best result, so to speak.

    2. Evaluate their weaknesses on the example of the Syrian experimental. Make adjustments. Moreover, the Turks showed their weaknesses.

    3. This is just a feast for RER. At the same time, the possibilities of their electronic warfare equipment were not disclosed.

    4. The task is not to save Assad's jopa and pile on Erdie. The “frontier” battle did not turn out to be an easy walk for the Turks, and the counterattack beautifully being played now will only increase the feelings of the participants.

    All showed each other bitsukha, reduced the number of light green and Alawito-Shiites so that they did not think that they were cool on their own. By the time of the season, the status quo will be restored before the operation and the class Kadyrovites close to one and racially close to the other will be sent to the demarcation line.

    The Turks can ruin everything by deliberately striking the Persians, and not so "feel it" once or twice. Vise versa. All the "sponsors of a peaceful settlement" need an endless sluggish conflict. "The Turks will quietly squeeze the Kurds and prevent Assad from becoming stronger than they should. The Persians together with Russia will carry out a joint protectorate over Syria, slowly dragging Shiite Katibs from all over the world in battle. Israelis will for the same reason, without a big war, they’ll cut out pence without connecting with “these Russians.” Cyprus will slowly absorb the TRNC, as yet another intervention for the Turks in the NATO format will be too much. Well, for Russia in general ploshnye nishtyaki, as such and in the Erdi sneaker shit, and Persian cat piled up.
  24. Torak 4 March 2020 11: 00 New
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    What nonsense. And here, Coral if under Idlib air defense the Syrians were absent completely. Damascus covered everything and it was missing, a bunch of holes. As the Armor was pulled up, even in spite of the terrifying training of the Syrians, the dronopad immediately started.
  25. voyaka uh 4 March 2020 11: 40 New
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    Anka they did great.
    But the most important thing is that the Turks have mastered the complex system of using drones. This is far from easy. It is necessary to train entire shifts of smart operators, junior officers above them. Liaison officers coordinating various "companies" of drones, communication with pilots of combat aircraft and artillery.
    And all this must be done on the go in real time.
    These are many hundreds of literate specialists. Only then do drones work efficiently.
    1. Dog
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Anka they did great

      Statements without argumentation provoke a reaction directly opposite to that which the asserter hopes, strengthening the listener in the opposite opinion voiced.
    2. MrFox 4 March 2020 21: 58 New
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      It turned out to effectively carry out the adjustment of art fire using a drone. Removed weak link - spotter.

      Interestingly, the drone’s picture is linked to the art battery control manually or by ACS
      1. voyaka uh 4 March 2020 23: 16 New
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        Of course online.
        The real-time image of the drone is transferred to the battery officer’s tablet.
        Goals are marked, approved (if required) and the computer performs calculations
        for each gun or installation MLRS. It takes minutes.
  26. musorg 4 March 2020 12: 10 New
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    The author on the soap!
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      Quote: musorg
      The author on the soap!

      The distributor of this garbage to VO chose not to advertise itself by submitting this propaganda slag for the news (the news does not write to the author).
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  28. 7,62h54 4 March 2020 12: 44 New
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    Possessing advanced weapons is not enough, one must not be afraid to use them. Political will is needed for their application. And as things are going now, the vaunted pragmatism of the Russian leadership is turning into weakness, if not cowardice.
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      It’s strange. The meeting between Putin and Erdogan will not be held in Istanbul. And Putin did not howl around the world about the 5th article of NATO. The winners do not behave like that, which means that the sultan burned.
  29. V Alexander Kolchin BiK 4 March 2020 13: 11 New
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    Complete nonsense and not an article where pictures of destroyed equipment have 2 commercials of Turkish drones and blah blah blah ...
  30. Zhevlonenko 4 March 2020 13: 15 New
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    And where can one look "at the massive losses of the Syrian army"? Photo where?
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    The activity of Turkish carpets with their bots in the subject is clearly higher than normal.
  32. core 4 March 2020 14: 12 New
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    Where!? tens and hundreds of destroyed tanks ?! Where!? thousands of dead Syrian soldiers ?! drones hosted exactly one day, since the Syrians did not have military air defense. as soon as they pulled up a single UAV in the sky, and who didn’t have time to wallow in the sand.
    100500 Syrian troops were destroyed, and Assad’s highway and denouement along with the sakrib, is that how ?! Apparently the Syrian soldiers even dead and on the wrecked tanks chewed barmaley and Turkish proxies! they are "dead" and they can’t kill the dead laughing
    let the Turks drive the Kurds over the rocks with their gliders, those even have no rudiment of air defense. and against the regular army, these crafts of the young technician are just consumables.
    1. Russian jacket 4 March 2020 15: 39 New
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      I agree. Where, no one can say. Talko drooling. But the meeting between Erdogan and Putin is clearly not going to happen in Istanbul. And this sultan has howled all over the world about article 5 of the NATO charter. And the winners don’t do that.
    2. oprovergatel 4 March 2020 17: 55 New
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      Well, MANPADS are present in the Kurds. From time to time, they land turkish battle aviation, mainly helicopters.
  33. Ratmir_Ryazan 4 March 2020 17: 03 New
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    Indeed, Turkey has shown strength and lowered our air defense to the bottom and there is no need to justify it, it is worthwhile to draw conclusions and correct the situation, our air defense simply screwed up tightly, and the Turks inflicted huge damage on the Syrian army.

    We need both shock UAVs and modular air defense systems where the PU, radar and control are not on the same chassis, but consist of several trailers, so that in the event of a radar defeat the entire crew will not die.

    The calculation, which is hidden and removed from the radar and launcher and will be better at fighting, as its survival rate is higher.

    Moreover, such modular air defense systems should be able to connect several radars and several launchers with different types of missiles to one control point, so that in the event of the defeat of one radar, such air defense systems could turn another into operation and hit the enemy’s aircraft or UAVs or use an OLS for this.

    Then the enemy will have the fear that even after hitting the radar of this complex, he will not be detected, the new radar will be put into operation and defeated.
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      our air defense to the bottom

      Turkish then? Yes, and you really don’t have air defense, where is it even further to the bottom?
    2. oprovergatel 4 March 2020 18: 10 New
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      Another fool!

      And what is YOUR air defense for you? Which is someone down there? Judging by your love of stating the fact of omission, are you very accustomed to the status of omitted?

      As for all of you who are yelling about “you had to yo ... by the reality”, “knock down all the Turks ..”, it’s not even that Russia in Syria is helping the Syrian side in the fight against terrorists, but hired to fit into Syrian conflicts with neighbors, some of which last for decades. Therefore, our air defense guards our military facilities on the territory of the SAR (and the fact that sometimes more than half of the “Tomahawks” do not reach their goals, it’s an absolute coincidence, Chesna-Chesna! Yes, and not every day, or even a year, those “Tomahawks” are there fly).

      Everything else is the matter of CAA. To the best of our abilities, we support them with the supply of equipment and the training of personnel. We help a little with the actions of the MTR. Well, at the time of our appearance they didn’t have normal spotters there, all the more capable and ready to interact with our aviation and artillery managers by our officers according to our standards. But time goes on and the local cadres are being trained, and our MTR continues to recruit combat experience and practice tactical techniques. Unfortunately, this is a war. And even the coolest professionals are not safe from losses.

      So nefig nonsense here to carry about our air defense. Regarding promising air defense and UAV reasoning is quite sensible. It is even amazing how it all fits in one head with the game from the first paragraph.
    3. DominickS 4 March 2020 19: 18 New
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      You have now described the S-400. Congratulations.
  34. mark2 4 March 2020 18: 04 New
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    Force burns.
    Conclusions are made for some frames it is not clear when made. All the charm and horror of digital technology is that they can recreate any picture that does not prove anything and is difficult to refute.
  35. Anchonsha 4 March 2020 20: 23 New
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    Forbes is in many ways right, our specialists will have to enter into this meanest game of Erdogan if nothing changes in Idlib at a personal meeting between GDP and Erdogan. And Europe, the USA went to hell or they will try to remove us from Syria.
  36. chistyakov.trofim 4 March 2020 22: 11 New
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    For me everything is fine, the tactics of counteracting the same UAVs are being worked out in the absence of a solid front and the total technical superiority of the Turks over the SAA
  37. kitten 4 March 2020 23: 27 New
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    Well, someone does a UAV. Who draws cartoons. Life will judge. And it seems to have already begun.
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      Quote: kitten

      Well, someone does a UAV. Who draws cartoons. Life will judge. And it seems to have already begun.

      And someone dug the black sea. laughing
      And also, someone had enough to get along, and the cartoons were enough, because when they no longer show cartoons, even a heart attack will tickle !!! laughing
  38. Second attempt. I will try to be more correct and sensitive.
    For many years, a weak, state-dependent, meaningless state - ,, RK ,, (,, Capitalist Russia ,,) has been functioning in the territory of Russia. For more than a quarter century, it lasted on the SOVIET heritage. But life does not stand still! Look at the experience of a SOCIALIST state called the PRC. Reforms, both the USSR and the People's Republic of China began one day at a time. But during the time that has passed since the 80s of the last century, Russia collapsed from the second place in the world to the “top ten,” and China has risen to the well-deserved second place during this time. This is if you WORK, and not ,, to depict activities ,,.
    And who will let the RK sleep for a long time? Only ,, napping ,, - torn to pieces ,, good neighbors ,,. It was already in 1918-22. And in 1941 the whole, enlightened Europe, led by the famous Fuhrer ... came, to stay,. In the Far East, militaristic Japan was waiting in the wings ... We already went through this .. But then why ,, dream ,,? Why doesn’t effective managers have a healthy sense of danger?
    The weakness of modern Russia, where, “steers,” the strange state of Kazakhstan is already visible to the whole world. Syria dreams of air defense systems manufactured by China. How can this be? Armenia buys air defense systems in India (?!). Vietnam needs Korean, not Russian, engines. ... The world sees RK. The world looked at ,, Admiral Kuznetsova ,,, the world looks at a piece of five-year-old ,, Armata ,,, at a piece of ten-year-old Su-57 ... You won’t spend the world, sorry, ,, show-offs. Moreover, the world ,, sharks of capitalism ,,. ,, Pouting, it’s useless in front of them. ,, Forbes ,, is a serious publication. This is not, the yellow press. And this publication showed an OBJECTIVE picture of what is happening now in Syria. There is an excellent Russian proverb on the topic: ,, Necha to blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked ,,
  39. lvov_aleksey 5 March 2020 00: 11 New
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    Short-range air defense systems "Shell-C1" and ZSU-23 "Shilka" there are facts of their destruction?
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      There are some vague assumptions. But even if so then nothing surprising Turks have involved an incredible amount of funds. Dear ones. With guided missiles, etc.
  40. flicker 5 March 2020 01: 00 New
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    Yeah, tangible damage.
    "Despite the fact that the war between Turkey and Syria lasts only two weeks, and Erdogan’s army in Syria could not achieve any significant successes, it became known that quite unexpectedly, Turkey ran out of missiles that would allow them to strike at SAA positions from a safe distance. Against this background, the Turkish president formally appealed to the US for ammunition support, which led to ridicule, and Turkey was dubbed the most useless NATO country, completely unprepared for a military conflict. "
    Indeed, they chased after every motorcyclist bully
  41. Volganin 5 March 2020 01: 05 New
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    Those Syrian losses that the Turks claimed are a complete heresy. Very exaggerated. Some certainly at times.
  42. Zavr 5 March 2020 01: 57 New
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    The time has come for fighter drones. They are on duty around the clock and shoot down drones of the enemy with something like a large gun. You need a speed a little higher to catch up, the radar can be passive, and an automatic installation can shoot down everything that doesn’t peep in our way.
  43. sektant777 5 March 2020 03: 18 New
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    How is an omnipotent electronic warfare? It would seem that drones are controlled by radio - take it and the wilderness. At what point did something go wrong?

    so long ago began, without any analogue, no world, we are the first and only, ahead of the planets all ... how much longer will you get the noodles from TV? in fact, everyone has such a weapon and even better, but they don’t scream about it from the TV screens, and then the questions begin, at what point did it go wrong?

    Just these are the Western countries and Israel is constantly PR / PR their weapons. Some programs on the Discovery Channel are worth something.
  44. Chingachguk 5 March 2020 07: 46 New
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    How does Syria manage not only to restrain one of the most powerful NATO armies, but also to free its territories from them !!!! ???? This video was created by Turkish Hollywood for his internal use in order to distract his people from the real events and "achievements" of the Turkish army in Syria ....
  45. jovanni 5 March 2020 08: 50 New
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    Quote: georgiigennadievitch
    Of course, you shouldn’t tear off the hair on your head and ass, but you had to make some very serious conclusions yesterday. Are we preparing for that war?

    Or maybe it would be worth it already to pry, and not just ask questions to those who determine the country's defense policy ... Such miscalculations come back with blood ...
  46. Romka47 5 March 2020 09: 27 New
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    I correctly understand that if drones with a range of 150 km, then they are in fact (well, there is an airfield control / landing site) in the reach of both missiles and the Air Force / Air Force Forces, and they are not destroyed only because "lower !!!" that is, if they fought "to their full height", and if the Turkish Armed Forces could be hollowed on their territory, would everything have turned out somewhat differently?
  47. Pavel57 5 March 2020 09: 57 New
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    Syria has forgotten how to fight a serious opponent, especially with the tactics of the 21st century.
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      Syria has forgotten how to fight

      The Syrian army was forced to resist the invasion of the "proxy" alone for a very long time. "War of the 21st century" - this is to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the General Staff. They have telephones for receiving your complaints.
      1. Pavel57 5 March 2020 13: 55 New
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        iouris (iouris), if the fact is not like, it does not mean that it is not. The reasons for the state of the army are clear to us. But the war did not end, but takes a different character.
  48. Igor L. 5 March 2020 12: 31 New
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    I think the point is not that the Carapace cannot effectively shoot down drones, but they are not ready for such a volume of work. How many planes can be in a certain square of the sky. Well, about a dozen or so. And then 30 drones flew right away, that's all. But this does not mean the poor quality of the Shell, but their small number. Based on the experience gained, it is necessary to increase the number of Shells.
  49. iouris 5 March 2020 12: 39 New
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    The concept of "large-scale damage" - requires clarification: what is the scale? In addition, the NATO member state, which has one of the largest armies, is fighting not with Syria (the "regime"), but with the Russian Federation. Turkey has hit the client of the Russian Federation, which is defended by the Russian Air Force (Air Force and Air Defense). We need to deal with this problem.
  50. svoit 5 March 2020 13: 39 New
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    Quote: Dali
    fighting experience is never enough ...


    It happens a little, but MUCH - no.
    Nevertheless, it is acquired rather slowly, and its cost is not so small. In terms of logistics, it would be cheaper in Ukraine.