Critical alignment in the sky of Idlib. Are Russian aerospace forces ready to compensate for the “lameness” of Syrian air defense?


Extremely absurd and inappropriate to common sense and the concept of building modern network-centric air defense zones A2 / AD is currently taking shape in the Idlib theater of war engulfed by the Syrian-Turkish conflict. In particular, despite the high-profile statements made by high-ranking representatives of the SAA command on the establishment of a no-fly zone over all areas of the Big Idlib daily, the links of strike and reconnaissance UAVs Anka-S continued to barrage over active sections of the Idlib theater of operations throughout the Russian and Syrian media spaces. the last three days, delivering decapitation strikes with precision-guided MAM-L ammunition at the firing positions of artillery batteries and Syrian fortified areas army, as well as targeting 155-mm self-propelled guns T-155 "Firtina" on the dispersed positions of Syrian self-propelled guns and air defense systems in strategically important operational areas.


And only on Sunday, March 1, in the morning, the combat crews of the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems of the Syrian air defense forces finally got the opportunity to equalize the score with the Turkish Air Force thanks to the successful interception of more than 6 drones of this type, about which said war correspondent Yevgeny Poddubny, referring to competent sources in the command of the Syrian Arab army. Unfortunately, by this time, Anka-S UAVs had already made their contribution to stopping the developing offensive actions of the advanced units of the 4th mechanized division of the SAA in the vicinity of the Al-Gab valley (in the southwestern operational direction), providing the assault backbone of the Islamic group “Tahrir al-Sham” an opportunity to carry out a successful counter-offensive throw with the return of a number of dominant heights and settlements on the far southern approaches to the city of Al-Barah and the strategically important M4 motorway.

By the morning of March 2, units of the 25th division of the Special Forces SAA (formerly Tiger Forces) again managed to seize the initiative from the Khayyat Tahrir al-Sham and Turkish Armed Forces militias in the Sarakib direction due to a sudden night assault on the hastily erected fortified areas in the settlements of Vadi Mekar and Wadi Hajj Khalil. According to local military correspondents, as well as informed sources in the 25th division of the Special Forces, the pro-government forces were able to push the militants and units of the regular Turkish army to the Idlib-Sarakib-M4 motorway for several hours, which restored control of the previously lost Sarakib, and also block Turkish observation posts in the vicinity of the city. The main help in the successful advancement of the SAA in this operational area was the resumption of the most powerful precision strikes of the multi-functional Su-34 fighter bombers of the Russian air forces on the Khayyat Tahrir al-Sham fortification infrastructure in Sarakib, as well as the partial “exposure” of the first and second lines of defense of militants in relations with the redeployment of significant Tahrir al-Sham forces to the southern front of the Big Idlib (to the southern approaches to the Al-Gab Valley).

The complexity of the formation of an anti-aircraft “umbrella” over Idlib is due to the geographical features of the theater of war and the absence of modern tactical aviation as well as anti-aircraft missile systems with an active radar guidance system in the Syrian air defense forces


Meanwhile, starting from information with an attached video report from the center of Sarakib, published on March 2 at 15:00 on its Twitter page and on the tactical online map syria.liveuamap.com by military observer @RestitutorOrien, it is not difficult to conclude that that tactical strike reconnaissance aviation The Turkish Air Force, despite the establishment of a no-fly zone over Idlib announced by Damascus, still has loopholes for access to Syrian airspace, and in broad daylight continues to carry out air raids on Syrian army units that are pulling into the Sarakib area along the M5 highway, as well as recently erected strongholds of government forces directly in the center of Sarakib.

In the light of the above circumstances, a quite adequate question arises: what determines the episodic nature of the successful combat work of the Syrian anti-aircraft missile on UAVs and high-precision arms Turkish Air Force?

After all, we are all well aware of the 68% effectiveness of the Syria’s network-centric air defense system, demonstrated during the reflection of a massive missile strike by the United Air Force coalition on April 14, 2018, when the Syrian Pantsir-C1 complexes integrated into a single tactical network for exchanging air traffic data Osa-AKM, Buk-M2E, S-125 Pechora-2M were able to intercept 71 of 105 subtle strategic and tactical cruise missiles U / RGM-109E Tomahawk Block IV, AGM-158B JASSM-ER, Storm Shadow "and" Scalp Naval / -EG "launched by American, British and French zskimi tactical fighter aircraft, submarines and surface ships for the military infrastructure of the CAA.

The answer to the above question lies in the geographical and operational-tactical features of the Idlib theater of operations, as well as in the technical features of the guidance systems of the most advanced air defense systems of the Syrian army. In particular, the formation in the aerospace space above Idlib of a “dense” anti-air zone of restriction and prohibition of access and the A2 / AD maneuver (up to the Turkish airspace above the Hatay silt) can be realized only through the use of multi-channel medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems “Buk” -M2E ”and long-range S-300PMU-2“ Favorite ”, with ranges of intercepted targets of 50 and 200 km, respectively. The use of 9M317 and 48N6E2 anti-aircraft guided missiles in these SAM systems with semi-active radar seekers (requiring constant illumination from 9C36 and 30H6E2 guidance radars) eliminates the possibility of firing at low-altitude targets hiding behind the “radio horizon screen”, which is 27-30 km for Buka -M2. "

As a result, in order to reliably cover low and medium altitude airspace sections above the Idlib Gadyushnik, the Syrian Favorites and Buki should be deployed at the near approaches (about 5-7 km) to the contact line (for example, in the city of Marat al-Numan or in the area of ​​the M5 motorway). Similar places of deployment are fraught for the “three hundred” and “Bukov” falling under a massive blow of Turkish self-propelled guns T-155 “Firtina” and MLRS T-122 “Sakarya”. In the case of shelling with the aforementioned barrel and rocket artillery, together with the probable use of dozens of AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles launched by Turkish F-16C Block 52+, a pair of S-300PMU-2 divisions and a similar number of Bukov-M2 will have very little chances of maintaining combat stability.

Even if the majority of the anti-radar AGM-88 HARM detachment is intercepted by 48N6E2 anti-aircraft missiles of the S-300PMU-2 and 9M317 Buk-M2 complexes thanks to the impressive target channel of the 30N6E2 and 9C36 illumination radars (24 channels for 4 anti-aircraft missile divisions, respectively) and a clear distribution of targets due to the mutual information exchange through the ACS "Polyana-D4M1", the destruction of a swarm of approaching 155-mm artillery shells will be an almost impossible task even for those covering long-range "three hundred "Anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems" Shell-C1 ". With an effective reflective surface (EOC) of the order of 0,01 square meters. m and an ultra-small optical signature, 155-mm guided and uncontrolled artillery shells, if they are captured by the “armor” Helmet guidance radars and 10ES1-1E optoelectronic systems at a distance of 3-5 km, then their further interception will be a big question, since the radio command principle of pointing the SAM 57E6E virtually eliminates the possibility of hitting enemy air targets by the method of kinetic hit ("hit-to-kill").

Consequently, the formation of a powerful anti-ballistic / anti-air umbrella over the “Big Idlib” (the so-called Idlib de-escalation zone) can be achieved in two ways. Firstly, through the use of the Buk-M3 and S-350 Vityaz air defense systems with an active radar guidance method capable of (without threatening to reach Turkish artillery fire reach zones) intercept remote over-the-air means of air attack for target designation from DRLOiU A- aircraft 50 / U and other means of radar / radio reconnaissance. Secondly, due to the intensification of airspace patrolling over Idlib, the Su-30SM and Su-35S multi-functional fighters are capable of minimizing the probability of penetration of Turkish strike and reconnaissance drones into the no-fly zone. The first option can be immediately excluded, since the individual divisions Buk-M3 and S-350 Vityaz have just begun to enter the combat units of the airborne forces and military air defense, and therefore we can’t talk about sending them to active theaters of military operations.

As for the start of the anti-aircraft operation to expel Turkish drones from Syrian airspace by the forces of the Su-30SM and Su-35S multi-role fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces, its announcement is a matter of a short time, because after the introduction of Russian military police units into Sarakib freed becomes a matter of reliable air cover for our contingent from attacks by Turkish drones.
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  1. 9PA
    9PA 3 March 2020 06: 01 New
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    It’s in vain that Eddie drolo drove
    1. max702 3 March 2020 17: 24 New
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      It is more interesting, but where are the praised electronic warfare systems designed to drown the control channels of drones and reduce their potential to zero .. They do not need to be dragged to the cutting edge as air defense systems ..
      1. IL-64 3 March 2020 23: 48 New
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        I asked the exact same question in another Syrian topic. Interestingly, not a single one of us has even blundered
      2. 9PA
        9PA 4 March 2020 15: 27 New
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        Well, probably also the front from the front edge works.
    2. Volga073 4 March 2020 12: 08 New
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      Shoigu himself hung orders like Brezhnev in the USSR.
      And to hell?
      In Idlib, the Turks won all the superiority.
  2. Serval 3 March 2020 06: 24 New
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    Perfectly. I think Serakib is the most suitable place for placing the Carapace, Bukov .. etc. In Idlib - wherever you go / fly - be sure to run into Serakib.
    1. maksbazhin 3 March 2020 07: 47 New
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      So they write about the fact that they will be covered with artillery there. They should have been near at the beginning of the mess. But do they have free cars? After all, they cover the position of the C300, and exposing the C300 is to give an excuse for an attack to the Jews, and they will take advantage of this, do not go to your grandmother.
      1. svp67 3 March 2020 13: 05 New
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        Quote: maksbazhin
        But do they have free cars?

        Now our troops are replacing old modifications of the BUK and TOR air defense systems, why not send these old cars to them? These complexes know their calculations ...
    2. URAL72 3 March 2020 11: 05 New
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      How many air defense systems do not deliver, and there is no 100% protection. There will be losses, But this does not mean that the Idlib adder should be left alone. I don’t want to lose the Turks as a market for our products, so I’ll have to act carefully, on Syrian territory, which of course will reduce efficiency and increase losses. But the economy is above all
  3. steelmaker 3 March 2020 06: 32 New
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    Since Russia SAMA came to war, then we must fight by ourselves, or fight with the wrong hands on our "tip". The bad news is that politicians intervene in the war with their negotiations. The military knows that negotiations must be conducted when the enemy signs a surrender. Everything else is only for the benefit of the terrorists.
    1. Grandfather Crimea 3 March 2020 07: 49 New
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      In a couple of days, something may change, and then you look and Assad suddenly breaks the agreement and then it starts again, who didn’t hide, I’m not to blame.
      1. maiman61 3 March 2020 10: 32 New
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        "Assad will suddenly break the agreement." Do you want to say that if China seized territories before the Urals, then Russia would have been obliged to maintain any agreements with China?
    2. Malyuta 3 March 2020 08: 22 New
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      Quote: steel maker
      The bad news is that politicians intervene in the war with their negotiations. The military knows that negotiations must be conducted when the enemy signs a surrender. Everything else is only for the benefit of the terrorists.

      The fact is that when the Turkish column was gouged, Turkey made a number of very loud and harsh statements, sending an answer on the SAA, it was then that they agreed to meet the two presidents, Erdogash was absolutely against and his main condition was to stop the strikes of the Russian air forces, our leadership went on these conditions in order to avoid a large-scale conflict with the Turks. The Turks, in turn, taking advantage of these agreements began to deal with their historical splinter in a soft place, that is, with the Kurds.
  4. KCA
    KCA 3 March 2020 06: 32 New
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    It is not clear why the Syrian women’s mammary glands are wrinkling, why not work out the batteries of Tochka-U howitzers? Apparently, the Turks do not move artillery after shelling
    1. bessmertniy 3 March 2020 06: 47 New
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      If you work out the "Point", then a rather tough conflict between Turkey and Syria could escalate into a large-scale war, and this does not suit either side today.
      1. maiman61 3 March 2020 10: 38 New
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        Come on sing songs! Shteraha sofas. Turkey is no less afraid of war than others! Why did the crazy sultan come across to Moscow? This is EMU NECESSARY first! After all, Putin sent a sultan with a meeting of Turkey, Germany, France, Russia in Ankara! Sultanchik goes to bow to Moscow!
    2. Same lech 3 March 2020 06: 48 New
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      Apparently, the Turks do not move artillery after shelling

      Often beaten from the territory of Turkey .... and if you strike back at Turkish territory, Turkey will have legitimate reasons to demand NATO intervention and a formal declaration of war on Syria.
      The game is on the razor's edge ... for the big one.
      1. KCA
        KCA 3 March 2020 06: 58 New
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        Often, but I guess. not always, on the shells it is not written who released them, if there is an attack from Syrian territory, to plant a couple of missiles there, 32 corpses seem to Turks a mere trifle
      2. Alexey LK 4 March 2020 02: 04 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Often beaten from the territory of Turkey .... and if you strike back at Turkish territory, Turkey will have legitimate reasons to demand NATO intervention and a formal declaration of war on Syria.

        So if a retaliatory strike is not an aggression! Or do you want to say that all are fools in NATO? Or do they want a war for Turkish interests and are just waiting for a reason?
    3. donavi49 3 March 2020 09: 23 New
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      Well, or Hurricane / Tornado. The question is what's next.

      That is - Khimki (or they themselves detect) transmit the coordinates. The Syrians are breaking the Firtin battery + consumables (and there are also not giants of thought sitting there if that, when the fireworks are going to be New Year's) = the next 20-25 simultaneous martyrs with Turkish military tickets.

      There will have to aggravate Turkey. Either enter the bombing of F-16 artillery positions or all those entered tactical groups with tanks + aviation lead on the offensive. Otherwise, they will not understand him at home, no matter how he shuts down Twitter / Facebook.
  5. Chaldon48 3 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    Russia is not interested in engaging in a full-scale conflict with Turkey, this is one of the main reasons for the unbreakability of Turkish aviation. It's like in an anecdote about the elusive Joe, which no one catches.
    1. maksbazhin 3 March 2020 07: 52 New
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      Russia should clap its hands on what is happening. And this is not sarcasm. How is the situation of Kosovo - Crimea. Then you can project the situation in Donbas and there we will be in the role of Turkey. (And Turkey can get into Ukraine, like Russia to Turkey, oops)
    2. shahor 3 March 2020 22: 39 New
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      Quote: Chaldon48
      It's like in an anecdote about the elusive Joe, which no one catches.

      Then it was not necessary to make a binding statement that the Russian Federation does not guarantee the safety of Turkish aircraft over Syria. The language is diplomatic, but the essence is clear. Stated. The response from the F-16 Turks over Idlib was shot down by a Syrian plane. Today. Slap in the face? Opened the holster, shoot. Otherwise, the gun will be taken away and holster ... pumped up. Not sure, don’t reach for weapons.
  6. Arlen 3 March 2020 07: 41 New
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    what is the reason for such an episodic nature of the successful combat work of the Syrian anti-aircraft missile on UAVs

    Either the presence of our instructor specialists in the calculations, or the calculation of the Syrian air defense systems was trained in Russia. Although I bow more to the first option.
  7. rocket757 3 March 2020 08: 33 New
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    Everything is as it is, everything is as always. Truncated air defense can do what it can, and not what it needs.
  8. bar
    bar 3 March 2020 08: 33 New
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    "The complexity of forming an anti-air" umbrella "over Idlib is more related to the lack of air defense in this direction. The Syrians fought with terrorists who had no aircraft, and there was a need for air defense. Therefore, it was concentrated mainly in the south, to protect against the machinations of the God-chosen. Now, after the announcement of the "closed sky" the situation will be corrected. Yes, and our IL-76 is not empty flew to Khmeimim.
  9. rudolff 3 March 2020 08: 56 New
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    They would throw Shilok with Tunguska, ideally Torov. If possible, use optoelectronic and thermal imaging optical guidance channels.
    It is strange that the Syrian Mig-29s are not used. If in unsatisfactory technical condition, why ours did not help with service and spare parts.
    1. protoss 3 March 2020 09: 02 New
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      but still these twinks remained, or only on paper?
    2. donavi49 3 March 2020 09: 29 New
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      They have a lot of shiloks, they are not particularly helpful. Even for brands from Turkish videos there is 1300-1500 minimum line, and sometimes 2-4km.

      Tunguska +/- the same problems as Buki. Beat the art. They themselves are not very effective.

      Torah yes - but they seem to be needed. And complicated. In general, in this conflict Thor showed himself from the best side. And on plywood and foam UAVs and Volcanoes (which are a barrel of missiles).

      On MiGs - the last photo-video 4 years ago, in the role of attack aircraft. Most likely, they decided to stop the flight activity and preserve the cars, including those that were retired due to their technical condition. At that time, Syria was not very worried about counteracting the Air Force (if it is serious and Russia is not protected, it will be MiG or not, it makes no difference). But it was possible to let the pilots into other types of aircraft, and the funds freed up again redistributed to maintain airworthiness to intensify the work of the same Su-22/24 / MiG-21/23 / eLok.
      1. rudolff 3 March 2020 10: 05 New
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        Here's how the Annannews describes stripping in Sarakib:
        “One of the assault groups went ahead, and a drone hit it. The wounded and killed came to pick up the truck. But it suffered the same fate - it is very similar to the tactics of snipers. One of the wounded was able to run into our house, and we began to rewind it. Shard hit his leg, they managed to stop the blood. Then they saw that an ambulance arrived and it was immediately destroyed by a rocket. "
        This is in urban conditions. That is, an UAV - an observer or a strike must hang literally overhead. Tunguska could well have worked on the optical sight. And quickly get out, so as not to get into the art.
        Thor yes, dear pleasure. But it’s not more expensive than Shell or S-300. To the Syrians now it would be the Torahs handier than the S-300.
        1. Servisinzhener 3 March 2020 12: 29 New
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          In my opinion, the Osa air defense system is quite suitable for knocking down such drones here.
          1. bayard 3 March 2020 18: 07 New
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            In the Donbass, Osa and Strela-10 are very effective against UAV drones, I observed the work itself. The question is detection / target designation. RLO rescue facilities are needed in the near \ frontline zone (10-15 km from the front line), but they will be constantly under threat of destruction by artillery / MLRS, so the issue is complex. In addition, such radars will not be able to operate continuously, which means they must work on a schedule (alternately) - again the question is in their quantity. Or DRLO planes must be constantly on duty in the air, and for this there must be at least 3 of them.
            The issue is resource saturation: on-duty radars, medium-range air defense systems (Buk, S-300), short-range air defense systems (Pantsyr, Osa, Strela-10, Tor). Exactly what the experts came to Syria to create a layered air defense on the IL-76.
        2. Alexey LK 4 March 2020 02: 13 New
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          Quote: rudolff
          The Syrians now would be the Torahs handier than the S-300.

          And what about electronic warfare? Is something heard?
  10. protoss 3 March 2020 09: 08 New
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    Is it not for the fact that the Greens so easily retreated beyond m5 so that the Turks could shoot advancing Asad from their territory, and Arta gets out, and f16, without entering the air of Syria, knock down the dryers. and in response to the Turkish territory is impossible.
    if the current push-pull is delayed, then at some point the loss of equipment and crews will become critical.
    1. Bully 3 March 2020 09: 51 New
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      The cunning assumption of the impossibility of a response on Turkish self-propelled guns due to their presence in Turkey is controversial. Here, after all, it’s like it wasn’t possible to beat either the Russian Federation or Syria directly, but for some reason everyone forgot that there is Iran, which has no less interests in Syria than ours. And now Iran doesn’t share the clever-assured thesis about the inviolability of the Turks and has missile capabilities to cover those batteries. He does not need the straits, the rear is strong, in which case the Caspian Russia will drive everything necessary.
      1. protoss 3 March 2020 10: 24 New
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        Iran’s attack on Turkey is a fabulous gift for the United States and NATO. here, one should not even doubt collective defense; Iran will be ironed together and with pleasure.
        1. Bully 3 March 2020 11: 12 New
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          The conclusion is not obvious. Are they ready to refute the fact of Iran’s attack on a US military base?
          The precedent for delivering unpunished strikes from one’s territory can be extended not only to the Turks, can it?
          1. protoss 3 March 2020 13: 20 New
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            about the precedent did not understand what are you talking about?
        2. Alexey LK 4 March 2020 02: 17 New
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          Quote: protoss
          Iran’s attack on Turkey is a fabulous gift for the United States and NATO. here it’s not even worth doubting collective defense, Iran will be ironed together

          Is it really more fabulous than magic kicks / persuasion from Israel? Which, well, would be very necessary, but still nothing ... It seems that they know something.
    2. Revival 3 March 2020 13: 11 New
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      That is, if NATO will shoot at us without crossing the border, is it somehow inconvenient to shoot back?
      1. protoss 3 March 2020 13: 18 New
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        what do we have to do with it? you identify yourself in vain with asadites. they are the same proxies as the Turkish green and sub-American Kurds. Russians, Turks and apricots can bring down Aborigines as much as the soul desires, but we do not touch each other behind the scenes. if something accidentally arrives, that is, an agreement to blame it on the wards of the Syrians.
  11. donavi49 3 March 2020 09: 36 New
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    From ANNA - UAVs are still looting:
    Having finally reached the Internet, Anna News reports on the situation in Serakib - the city was liberated by the Tigers of General Sukhel Hassan early in the morning. Turkish drones continued to be on duty in the sky, but their activity after the operation of the Syrian air defense, decreased significantly. And government forces have drawn conclusions from recent failures. Gaining courage, we decided to participate in the sweeping of the city. Movements this time were carried out in small groups from home to home.. Not far from the M-5 highway, we were met by two wounded militant armored cars and several corpses of “Nusrovites”. Our guides tried to penetrate into the situation, as periodically shooting was fired from left or right. Climbing to a high-rise building, we immediately saw that there was no longer a huge SSA flag waving on the tower. Most likely, the militants themselves took it before the retreat - because a good props for the "performances" - with the hope that it would suddenly come in handy. One of the assault groups went forward, and a drone hit it. The wounded and the dead came to pickup. But he suffered the same fate - very reminiscent of the tactics of snipers. One of the wounded was able to run into our house, and we began to rewind it. The splinter hit the leg, the blood was stopped. Then they saw that an ambulance arrived, and it was immediately destroyed by a rocket. Such are the "humane" methods of warfare from the Turks. Our square began to be heavily covered with "artifacts", "laid" close - about 15 meters from the building. So I had to sit with our involuntary acquaintances and listen to the "inbox". But then finally turned on "own art." And while there was a duel between "ours" and "not ours", we were all able to get out. At the end of the day, the group with whom they walked reached the northern outskirts of Serakib. As early as lunch, a group of militants was "clamped" there. The Syrians drove the tank and "smoked" the enemy. Someone tried to break free, but was destroyed in a shootout. The result of the battle is seven “200th” fighters and four prisoners.
    The day was hard today. But the Syrians continue to fight in the area of ​​Serakib - almost taken Kafr Batykh, Dadih and Jubas.





    The video will be soon so far only Tweeter announcement:
    https://twitter.com/annanews_info/status/1234597746683842562
    https://twitter.com/annanews_info/status/1234597836332916738
    1. protoss 3 March 2020 09: 46 New
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      so far it’s really confirmed like 2 downed UAVs, all the rest so far only in words.
  12. Stalllker 3 March 2020 09: 47 New
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    Although they say that they don’t go to the forest with their firewood, it’s necessary to ram their firewood
  13. Stalllker 3 March 2020 09: 57 New
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    I wonder how long it would take the Russian Airborne Division to clear out Idlib ?!
  14. MrFox 3 March 2020 10: 01 New
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    Generals, wake up. The future with UAVs has already come
    1. iouris 3 March 2020 17: 36 New
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      Quote: MrFox
      The future with UAVs has already come

      ... the day before yesterday. For a long time no one has been fighting such culls.
  15. EvilLion 3 March 2020 10: 08 New
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    It’s quite expensive to drive fighters for drones, although even smaller drones can easily go astray.
    1. Bully 3 March 2020 11: 37 New
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      Destroying drones by means of the Russian Aerospace Forces is not a technical problem - apparently the pilots are shackled by political intrigues
      1. Volga073 4 March 2020 12: 05 New
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        Putin carries on TV some nonsense about the valor of the USSR 30 years ago.
        And he is afraid of fighting with the Turks for the sake of Gazprom and the Turkish Stream.
        1. astronom1973n 5 March 2020 06: 06 New
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          Quote: Volga073
          And he is afraid of fighting with the Turks for the sake of Gazprom and the Turkish Stream.

          Well, jump off the couch and go ahead to fight! What is your WUS? Sofa strategist? TV remote gunner?
    2. iouris 3 March 2020 17: 37 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      drones easily get off.

      The facts suggest otherwise. But let's hope that you are right and after 24-00 a turning point will come.
    3. Volga073 4 March 2020 12: 06 New
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      We are talking about shock drones - these are expensive things.
  16. Glory1974 3 March 2020 10: 11 New
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    According to the Turks, they destroyed more than 40 pieces of armored vehicles with an UAV. There is video on the Internet. Not everything can be identified, but even if half is true, then the losses are serious. In fact, the battalion tactical group was defeated.
    In such conditions, without gaining dominance in the air, one cannot attack - it is fraught with large losses, demoralization and retreat.
    1. protoss 3 March 2020 10: 27 New
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      what period is it?
      a couple of days ago they gave numbers only for tanks of more than 100 pieces.
      1. Glory1974 3 March 2020 13: 08 New
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        it was in 2 days. I can’t completely believe them. They give losses of 2,5 thousand soldiers, more than 50 guns, etc.
    2. TatarinSSSR 3 March 2020 21: 20 New
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      Yes, in fact, with the connivance of Russia, Idlib shooting range is now around - Turks with UAVs and self-propelled guns shoot everything that moves on the ground with belonging to Assad’s troops. Like a dash. The total destruction of the accumulation of troops and solitary equipment. And in the air, Turkish fighter jets are already in full swing. And they spat on the SU-35S and other military space planes of Russia and its air defense. Because they are silent and do nothing. There are EWs and Turks, works well by the way. Honestly, I'm wildly sorry for the Syrian fighters - they are now simply destroyed. The losses are huge. 5 Years of a total victorious war with barmales and all for what - to be killed with an UAV at the last adder ....
  17. Pilat2009 3 March 2020 10: 13 New
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    I wonder how long it would take the Russian Airborne Division to clear out Idlib ?!

    And what about the army? The experience of Afghanistan does not teach anything? Or Chechnya?
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      Yes, Afghans already taught Americans 3 days ago ..
      Trump and troops cowardly fled "Go Home, Yankee"
  18. Andrey.AN 3 March 2020 10: 59 New
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    Su-30SM and Su-35 can expel F-16, the pilots of which can explain something or interfere with maneuvering. It is pointless to argue with the robot, the Su-30; 35 can only monitor their location and transmit them to the ground, electronic warfare can help, the drone can perform the flight task in automatic mode, but operational commands to aim at the target or bombing need to be received from the operator and disassembled , this can be a problem if the electronic warfare is working.
  19. Servisinzhener 3 March 2020 12: 51 New
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    Syrian “Favorites” and “Buki” should be deployed on the near approaches (about 5-7 km) to the contact line
    I will say softly a very "controversial" decision. And because of the danger of being destroyed not only by artillery, but also by mortars or anti-tank systems. At such a distance from the air defense systems that Syria has, only Shell, Arrow - 10 or the Wasp with a single command post located at some distance and at least some old two-coordinate radar to have an idea of ​​what's going on in the air should be located.
    1. Servisinzhener 3 March 2020 16: 53 New
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      And I would call the Gibka-S air defense system the most suitable air defense system for this situation. To reduce the cost, you can make an option based on GAZ 3302 or 33023.
  20. iouris 3 March 2020 16: 20 New
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    To “compensate” it is necessary either to shoot down missiles launched from Turkish airspace, or to strike at NATO airfields in Turkey. If neither one nor the other is possible, then propose the third option (Turkey’s condemnation by the “international community”, Turkey’s exclusion from NATO).
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      Air Defense - in Vietnam, ours used a very interesting tactic of "ambush" on the route of the F-4 "Phantom" and so on - remember and use! shot down nothing fundamentally in TTX planes that are no different from the F-16. Stealth, disguise and unexpected blow! most importantly, the summit does not appear in front of drones and does not fall under the impact of long-range 155 mm self-propelled guns of the Turks
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    Syrian military aircraft after the attack of the F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force suspended flights in the north-west of the country, one of them returned to the base airport. On Tuesday, March 3, reports "Anadol".
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      Syrian military aircraft after the attack of the F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force suspended flights in the north-west of the country, one of them returned to the base airport. On Tuesday, March 3, reports "Anadol".

      well, that's right, they closed the sky over Idlib, so they don’t fly.
  22. Radikal 3 March 2020 19: 11 New
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    Critical alignment in the sky of Idlib. Are Russian aerospace forces ready to compensate for the “lameness” of Syrian air defense?
    As for the videoconferencing system, they are probably ready, but the point is not in them, but in those who give orders to them - are they (he) ready to give it? winked
  23. l7yzo 3 March 2020 20: 11 New
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    I still think that Erdogan was the main beneficiary of Suleymani’s death. And that Trump just took responsibility for someone. And in principle, the development of events so far confirms the theory.
    But Erdogan does not take into account that the east is a delicate matter. Many are touchy there, and many patriots. And together it’s a Molotov cocktail. He is and for sure will be. While the second Gaddafi, I do not see.
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      And I also want to add about the Persians - they are surrounded by Arabs - but they remained original, often they have Zoraastrianism, and also they are mostly Shiites. Arabs are mostly Sunites - a canonical quran. For example - "Omar Khayyam, the first Persian poet who wrote a poem without using a single Arabic word - the national hero of the Persian people" And Suleimani was a Persian.
      So here the paths of the road intertwine very closely.
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  25. TatarinSSSR 3 March 2020 21: 11 New
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    In fact, Russia has become hostage to its triumph in Syria. Its originally designated goal to this day is to help the legitimate government of Syria in the fight against terrorism and illegal armed groups. It is this goal that President Putin has announced. And he didn’t say a word that a military alliance was concluded with Syria on joint defense against external aggression. He repeated it dozens of times like a mantra. And that’s why the United States pulled the Kyrgyz Republic with impunity across Syria. And Israel is thrashing with bombs and missiles to this day. Now, Turkey. Because they know - Russia itself has driven itself into such a framework - to wet the militants. All. Well, help with technology, specialists, instructors, intelligence of the Syrians. And when many scream about "Oh my God, this can start a war with Turkey!" - may not scream and sleep peacefully. Russia will never allow war with Turkey or anyone else. Assad’s war on terrorists is our common war with Syria. And Assad’s war with Turkey, Israel, the USA or Mars is not our war.
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      I also think that just passing the baton to the Turks Turks.
      At first there was the USA, then they passed the baton to Russia, right now to the Turks. They are there and somehow do not care for them. But the United States and we leave with defeat as it is not "for feng shui")
  26. 7,62h54 3 March 2020 21: 50 New
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    Erdo and the Dear Executive hold each other by the tomatoes and the Turkish stream. And they look intently into the eyes of who the first to blink. In the course of Erdo, the tomatoes will be harder.
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      I wonder why Erdo holds the main thing? Maybe the current is for pride) But Turkey hit - because of the coronovirus Europe will not go to rest, and if Turkey is closed with us, then Erd will face big problems in the fall
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    Understood nothing!!!! But sooooo interesting !!!! This is certainly great, all these names, wisdom. In simpler terms, you need to embed once, so that there would be incompatible losses, and once again warn Turkish barmaley ---- Turks !!!!! Nobody should fly over our country except us and Russia !!!!! And Russia, I hope the trochi will help ...
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    // Extremely absurd and inappropriate to common sense and the concept of building modern network-centric air defense zones A2 / AD is currently taking shape in the Idlib theater of war engulfed in the Syrian-Turkish conflict. //
    Yes you Eugene do not worry so laughing
    This is a real combat situation .. And it is very different from your epic opuses, you are our strategist .. Here you always understand against your common sense, but what to do?
  29. certero 4 March 2020 01: 34 New
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    Turkey .... and if you strike back at Turkish territory, Turkey will have legitimate reasons to demand NATO intervention and a formal declaration of war on Syria.

    That is, now when the Turks are beating on Syria, it seems like not war?
    Turkey cannot demand anything from NATO. Since she herself is an aggressor she was already told about this there.
    Turkey will not calm down without a good response. It is the Middle East where it is difficult to agree on something without the use of force. The weak there is generally not considered.
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    I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not ... This morning I saw a column of Os about 10 units, followed to Sukharnaya Balka (Sevastopol), and there only for loading ...
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    Gentlemen, in the event of a conflict with Turkey, one flight of our airborne forces and landing will have to be carried out not in Syria (ammunition again). One salvo of our Navy and besides submarines is unlikely to leave anyone. Turkey has all the power of the country, and we have to carry everything for thousands of kilometers. Again, one could rely on the Allies, but this is unlikely to run away ... But the Americans with popcorn will watch our humiliation. Therefore, Erdogash should hint in the ear tomorrow that if something is MR (I?) For strategic objects: - as in Idlib for grouping; - and for facilities in Turkey, the whole world is in ruin ..., well, or publicly express extreme concern ..., of course, the GDP is more visible. (this is my humble opinion personally)
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    Putin / Shoigu- wake up!
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    A good moment to test air defense methods against a flock of Turkish UAVs. Come in handy.