The root of the problem of alcoholism: historical oblivion and ignorance


The article proposed by my esteemed readers seems to have nothing to do with the subject of the site. However, most of the regulars of the "Military Review" - men. I suppose that almost all of them (like all of us) like to skip a glass from time to time. Therefore, it seemed to me that my article would be of interest to many. In addition, I myself read the article with interest. “How the Russian people were soldered” and therefore decided to speak out.


Alcohol vs. Life


However, there is one more nuance, much more important. I think there are few people among us who do not name the problem of alcoholism among the main threats to the future of the Russian people. In the last quarter of a century, this problem has turned into a real disaster, which annually takes lives, I am not afraid of this figure, of millions of people.

Alcoholism not only destroys the body of the drinker, but also spoils the life of others and often presents a direct threat to loved ones or casual acquaintances. It is not difficult to draw attention to the fact that the vast majority of the most heinous and heinous crimes are committed precisely when intoxicated.

I admit honestly: I myself like a little drink. At the same time, I am absolutely convinced that if we completely forbid the sale of alcohol at all overnight, the crime rate would have fallen incredibly. And along with this, life expectancy would increase, the demographic situation would improve, etc. Another thing is that such an unprecedented measure would surely lead to an unprecedented social explosion. This fact in itself puts the issue of alcohol consumption on the first lines of the priority list of national security problems.

National drink?


The recently interesting book of Boris Viktorovich Rodionov, which was recently read by me, also inspired me to publish this article:History Russian vodka from half a grain to the present day. ” The thought that was expressed between the cases in this book seemed extremely important and interesting to me. And I thought that I simply had to share it.

I recommend everyone to read Rodionov's aforementioned work. But at the same time, I understand that not everyone who likes to drink sometimes will be so interested to delve into the intricacies of distillation and distillation processes. Therefore, I will briefly describe here what the book describes in detail and is very reasonably proven.

When asked what is the Russian national drink, the vast majority of us will not hesitate to answer: vodka. So recently, I myself thought. And I will not hide, somewhere in my soul I had a certain inferiority complex related to the fact that some English or French have cognac and long-term whiskey that you need to drink from glasses, savoring the subtle nuances of flavoring bouquets, accompanying your meal with a certain snack , and we have just vodka - a flammable liquid without color, taste and smell, in fact, a banal swill to quickly and inexpensively get drunk. And suddenly I find out that we had a real national Russian drink and was in no way inferior to overseas rum, whiskey and brandy. And it was called "bread wine."

Bread wine


I must say right away that the word "wine" here has absolutely nothing to do with either grapes or wine in our modern sense. Bread wine is just a strong (about 40%) drink obtained by distillation of mash. And it was made practically exactly the same as all strong drinks in all other countries. We can say that the recipe for Russian bread wine was identical with whiskey, only whiskey was made mainly from barley, and bread wine was mainly made from rye.

Two words about physics to understand the most important thing. There is a distillation process, invented in ancient times, as is believed by the Egyptians. Then it was brought to Europe by the Arab conquerors. He could get to Russia both from Europe and directly from the East. Simply put, the mash is distilled in a distillation cube (moonshine). During this process, hot alcohol vapors rise through the tubes and, entering the cooler, condense on the walls of the tube and flow into the tank in the form of a distillate, a distillate. This distillate is already drinkable. It can be different in taste, strength and quality, depending on the raw materials, the correct fermentation, the quality of the distillation apparatus, the ability of the distillery, and also on a host of different reasons. But this distillate is the basis for the future drink. Naturally, the technology is very simple, and together with alcohol vapors, a lot of flavoring impurities get into the drink, which form the very bouquet.

Rectification result


Thus, all strong drinks are made: brandy, whiskey, chacha, grappa, tequila and others. So did the bread wine. But there is one single drink that goes wrong. This is modern vodka! Vodka in its modern form is the result of another technological process - rectification. This is a mixture of pure rectified ethyl alcohol with water. Very many (and until recently, myself too) think that pure alcohol is, roughly speaking, the same moonshine, but produced on industrial advanced equipment, therefore it is cleaner, does not smell like a sivuha, and ultimately, of course, is better. But in fact, everything is not so simple here. During rectification, only the fraction of ethyl alcohol is selected at a certain level of the distillation column, which separates the lighter and heavier vapors. As a result, the result is a truly pure product - 96 percent ethyl alcohol, which is then diluted with water and get modern vodka.

So, distillation column was invented only in the second half of the 19th century, and this technology was intended primarily for chemical and armory industry, where the use of a pure chemical (ethyl alcohol) is very important. But not for eating it. Thus, no vodka in the modern sense, that is, as a mixture of pure alcohol with water, could not be defined before the end of the 19th century. And when we read in various historical sources that some kings or boyars drank vodka, we must understand that they drank not a modern drink without taste, color and smell, but something completely different. In this sense, the discussions themselves about which country has more rights to the vodka brand look completely absurd: Russia, Lithuania or Poland. The drink that was made in these countries in ancient times has nothing to do with modern vodka!

From rye with malt


Bread wine was produced, as a rule, from rye raw materials with the addition of malt. In a special way, rye (or other grains) and malt were ground in large containers at a certain temperature, so that the starch contained in them turned into sugars, from which the introduced yeast cultures produced alcohol during fermentation. But as a result of distillation (distillation) of such mash, a fragrant drink with a pleasant rye aroma was obtained.

They kept the drink, naturally, in barrels, getting actually whiskey at the exit after a few years (the word “whiskey” itself is nothing more than the local Scottish name for “water of life”, aqua vita). This drink could be further refined with charcoal or milk, distilled repeatedly, insisted on berries and herbs, and then again distilled already obtained tincture. In general, to make a huge number of different drinks or drink just like that. Such bread wine, when diluted to about 38,5%, was called half-wine (when set on fire, the drink burned out exactly half). In the absence of alcohol meters, the standard of the strength of the drink was observed.

The recipe for half a grain is not lost!


It's a shame that today the vast majority of people do not know at all that such a drink existed, that it was in no way inferior to the best European strong drinks, possessing a delicate taste and a complicated recipe for preparation. Twice it is insulting - because the recipe has been preserved, it is not completely lost. After all, there are a lot of guides on distillation, preserved from the 19th and 18th centuries, where all the details of the process are described in detail.

Why does this beautiful drink remain in oblivion? Yes, everything is simple! The cost of such a drink is many times higher than the cost of diluted rectified alcohol, which is easy to obtain even from sawdust, even from oil. Regardless of the raw materials used, at the end of the rectification process, you will receive 96,6% С2Н5ОН - ethyl alcohol, rectified. Then mix it with “artesian water”, add glycerin for softness, bottle it, stick a label with a big name like “Old Russian special” and sell it in luxury stores for the price of a good cognac. And none of the buyers will even think that this “elite” vodka is practically no different in principle from the cheapest little white at 200 rubles. per bottle ... And even this price significantly exceeds the cost of half a liter of drink.

State monopoly


At the very end of the 19th century, “state sale of drinks” was introduced in Russia, a state monopoly on the production of highly purified rectified spirit. The technology of "monopoly wine", that is, a water-alcohol mixture, formed the basis for the recipe of modern vodka, which replaced traditional bread wine quite quickly due to its cheapness and a number of other reasons.

Perhaps it was then that connoisseurs of really tasty spirits were forced to master their manufacture at home, which led to the emergence of the term “moonshine”. The word “vodka” on a bottle with a clear, strong liquid appeared only in the 30s of the 20th century. Vodka used to be called completely different drinks, as a rule, triple distilled aromatic distillates, previously infused with herbs, berries, fruits in countless combinations.

The experience of scientists from the Research Institute of Addiction


And the most important. In the same book of Rodionov there is a reference to the experience put forward already in the 21st century in Russia by a group of scientists (details and links can be found in the book, work was carried out at the Research Institute of Narcology of the Russian Ministry of Health in Moscow, the Institute of Toxicology in St. Petersburg and the Institute of Theoretical and experimental biophysics of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Pushchino).

A series of experiments with mice and rats showed that the effect on the body of vodka (a water-alcohol mixture based on the rectifier) ​​and distillation products (cognac, whiskey and even moonshine) is equally negative from a medical point of view, but vodka is much more addictive . But addiction is precisely alcoholism, dependence!

Gold mine for the budget. And what for the people?


The GOST for 1972 (GOST 18300-72) gives the following definition of alcohol: “Ethyl alcohol is a flammable, colorless liquid with a characteristic odor, refers to potent drugscausing excitement and then paralysis of the nervous system. ”

The main trap is that a pure drug - ethyl alcohol, simply diluted with water, of course, has a much stronger narcotic effect than it, but it is connected by numerous chemical bonds, impurities that enter the drink from raw materials during the distillation process. It is harmful in any case, but in its pure form, in the form of modern vodka, causes a faster and stronger addiction to the body. Is that why our problem of solderability of the population is so acute, although in some other countries they drink no less? They drink a lot everywhere, but only here instead of traditional distillates we massively consume pure potent drug, diluted with water for softness - the so-called. vodka.

The state monopoly on the production of rectified alcohol is a real gold mine for the budget. But what is the price for the people for her? General alcoholism, degradation, the complete destruction of the national culture of distilling, as well as culinary traditions associated with the consumption of drinks.

Glass of poison and pickle. How to fight?


A glass of transparent tasteless poison with pickles - that’s all that remains of the richest Russian national cuisine, where hundreds of different kinds of drinks were accompanied by the same many different snacks.

I don’t know how to fix such an annoying historical mistake that led many of our people to the path of alcoholism, which, in turn, caused millions of premature deaths, unborn children, family destruction, degradation and damage to the national gene pool. I do not know how to overcome the alcohol mafia, earning utter profits on the people's mountain. How can this be done if the people themselves no longer understand what they drink and what their ancestors drank a hundred and a few years ago? He really doesn’t know such words - bread wine - for the most part. How to make him buy such a drink instead of “native” vodka?

Personally, I see several steps that could theoretically correct the situation. Although I understand that in modern conditions their implementation is hardly possible.

1. The legislative restriction on the use of rectified alcohol for the production of alcoholic beverages, especially the so-called vodka.

2. Stimulating the development of beverage production based on the distillation process, development and implementation of quality standards, tax systems. In this sense, if I am not mistaken, in 2015, GOST for grain distillates was finally adopted in Russia. Prior to this, drinks such as whiskey, for example, or half a grain, in our legislation did not exist in principle. But the license fee for their production is very high, so only large manufacturers can do this. Hence the next step.

3. Stimulation of the so-called. craft production of alcoholic beverages by small producers, which will contribute to healthy competition and market development.

4. An active educational campaign to restore historical memory and increase the culture of drinking.

Of course, you will have to forget about excess profits from the sale of alcohol, but the positive effect of replacing vodka with high-quality distillates in mass consumption will be incredibly more valuable. And who knows, maybe someday our people will return to their roots and start consuming real Russian drinks again - tasty, varied, and not so harmful, instead of a primitive poisonous liquid called “vodka”.
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  1. Lexus 18 February 2020 15: 06 New
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    The experience of scientists from the Research Institute of Addiction

    Some "amateurs" add to the "squirrel" ... Interestingly, but to rats, except for scientists, who came during the experiment? What kind of animal? laughing
    1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 15: 12 New
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      Doctors drink medical alcohol. SRI is no exception ...
      1. Stas157 18 February 2020 15: 19 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        Doctors drink medical alcohol.

        The wife is a doctor - he does not drink alcohol. Vodka, too. Only if good red wine in homeopathic doses. And among her medical friends she didn’t notice a drink. But I heard such a bike.))
        1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 15: 26 New
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          Private clinic?
          1. Stas157 18 February 2020 15: 28 New
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            No. Ordinary budget children's clinic.
            1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 15: 32 New
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              Appreciate your wife is a good Doctor! good
              1. Stas157 18 February 2020 15: 34 New
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                The fact that alcohol does not drink or what?))) She and the wife are good! hi

                The fact that you are a good doctor (dentist), you just noticed. People are trying to get to it.
        2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 15: 51 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          The wife is a doctor - he does not drink alcohol. Vodka, too. Only if good red wine in homeopathic doses.

          I respect women who drink only good wine.
          1. Stas157 18 February 2020 16: 22 New
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            And I respect how ... I even love!))) hi
        3. bandabas 19 February 2020 00: 01 New
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          About 25 years ago, I had familiar operating nurses. We drank vodka and alcohol. Work specifics. For the day of all seeing.
      2. Baloo 18 February 2020 15: 34 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        Doctors drink medical alcohol. SRI is no exception ...

        Lies! Doctors do not have distillation alcohol, and even that which is even dangerous to sniff. yes
        Few litersball athletes are delayed in medicine.
        1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 15: 40 New
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          Baloo hi I agree, got excited ... The doctors of our good people work with great patience and love.
          1. Baloo 18 February 2020 17: 08 New
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            Quote: Tank jacket
            Baloo hi I agree, got excited ... The doctors of our good people work with great patience and love.

            Ruslan, it’s hard to offend me, if only the banderlogs will again be fooled with their zuzy. And the truth of life is really like that. Many surgeons have degraded in my memory playing literball. And we have technical alcohol, and then in a mixture with disinfectants. as my life experience suggests, most alcoholics are not liked by children, and therefore have not learned to love, communicate, and make friends with their parents. There is a very complex mechanism for the emergence of addiction to drugs and alcohol. In short, for some, the pleasure center works for a cupcake, for others for climbing mountains, for others for money. The conditioned reflexes in humans are produced in 1-3 repetitions, in horses and dogs in 5-7. Someone with their complexes is liberated for communication, smelling the cork from the bottle, and someone just needs to communicate with a smart woman, followed by mutual penetration and mutual enrichment ... wink
        2. bandabas 19 February 2020 00: 03 New
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          Respected. Apparently, you didn’t even smell alcohol.
      3. Lamata 18 February 2020 16: 53 New
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        And the sailors drink Shilo !!! and flyers to massandra (if it is used right now)
      4. mavrus 18 February 2020 16: 55 New
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        The scientific research institute usually had technical alcohol.
        But if desired, scientists and from it did something masterpiece.
        I do not understand ... What is this? The Gorbachev’s mulch is being launched on a new one, how are we going to “fall on alcohol” now and live well?
        Well ... Well, they have already "piled on" cigarettes, made them 3 times more expensive than in Europe ... Thanks to our brainless lawmakers.
        Throughout the 14th year, spices pushed tons. I don’t know how it is now with spice, but now there is a problem with vapes and other muck. Now who again is lobbying for something openly ...
        1. astepanov 19 February 2020 11: 27 New
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          Ethyl alcohol, simply diluted with water, of course, has a much stronger narcotic effect than it, but it is connected by numerous chemical bonds, impurities that enter the drink from raw materials during the distillation process.
          Lies. There are not any “numerous chemical bonds” there, if only because impurities are an insignificant amount. Even in the most aged distillates, they are from fractions to a unit of percent. I’m telling you as a chemist.
          rectified alcohol
          The disgusting manner of distorting the Russian language. For some reason, everyone began to say "rectified", although it is true - "rectified." So, instead of "disinfected," we will begin to say "disinfected." This distortion, coming from illiterate traders, reveals tracing words from foreign words. So, we began to call polyesters "polyester".
          In general, the article looks very much like distillate advertising and contains a lot of lies. In particular, the volume of sales of hop in Russia which year fall. Here is a quote from Wiki: "According to a 2010 World Health Organization report, over the past 15 years, alcohol consumption in Russia has decreased by 43%." According to the latest statistics, from 2008 to 2009, alcohol consumption in Russia fell from 18 liters per year per person to 9 liters. The problem, of course, is, but it is not as acute as the author draws.
      5. New Year day 18 February 2020 17: 56 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        Doctors drink medical alcohol.

        come on you! Doctors are people too and drink the same thing. Only drunken elements fall on alcohol, but now it is diluted with chemicals, for example chlorhexidine. You can give oak
        1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 17: 58 New
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          C'mon, Sylvester, hi I admit that I was wrong ... Balu already made a remark.
          1. New Year day 18 February 2020 18: 00 New
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            Quote: Tank jacket
            Come on, Sylvester, I admit that I was wrong ... Balu already made a remark

            not worth it hi
        2. akunin 18 February 2020 18: 25 New
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          in my student days I drank gibitan (alcohol r-chlorhexedine) and, believe me, didn’t give anything to anyone, there were excesses - I used cologne and bf (in all). You got excited about the oak. I for enlightened use of high-quality alcohol. hi
      6. lucul 18 February 2020 18: 12 New
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        Doctors drink medical alcohol. Research institutes are no exception.

        Alcohol is an escape from reality. If a person does not have enough internal strength to cope with life's difficulties, he resorts to various tricks in order to dull the sense of reality (to forget). One of these tricks is alcohol.
        A man is like a brick - the more he burns in his life - the stronger he becomes. "Burning" - essentially overcoming life's difficulties - is the only way to become stronger in this world. Without overcoming difficulties, a person will remain mentally a child, to a very old age. He will never grow up.
        Not everyone is aware of this simple truth - it’s easier to “stoke” problems at the bottom of the glass ....
        1. aybolyt678 18 February 2020 19: 50 New
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          Quote: lucul
          - the more he burns in his life, the stronger he becomes.

          with your permission, I’ll add a teaspoon .... Alcohol is a substitute for reality, or attitude to it. The ability to change reality, burning like a brick, without resorting to analgesics is inherent in real men, who understand what kind of fake reality there will be a reckoning, in the form of lost time for restoration.
          There is no cultural drink, the whole question is in quantity, the less it is, the more Culture.
    2. Gato 18 February 2020 16: 21 New
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      Interestingly, but to rats, except for scientists, who came during the experiment? What kind of animal?

      Probably scientific cats in white coats laughing
      But I wonder who comes to the squirrels?
      1. Lamata 18 February 2020 16: 54 New
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        chipmunks come to squirrels wink
    3. Yura 18 February 2020 17: 04 New
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      Quote: lexus
      Interestingly, but to rats, except for scientists, who came during the experiment? What kind of animal?

      Well, so they came, that is, scientists, especially at the end of the experiment with the bag and the bin. laughing
    4. svp67 18 February 2020 18: 17 New
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      Quote: lexus
      Some "lovers" are added to "squirrels" ...

      Vodka alcoholism is now quickly giving way to a beer ... why are the "scientists" silent about this, because young people are drinking too much. And the quality of the same beer sagged great, unlike the quality of vodka, they rarely come across the "palette" now.
      1. Doctor 18 February 2020 19: 03 New
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        Vodka alcoholism is now quickly giving way to a beer ... why are the "scientists" silent about this, because young people are drinking too much.

        Scientists are not silent, they are encouraging this business. The issue has been studied at a serious scientific level and more than once.
        Conclusions:
        1. A person will get drunk in any way. Or get smoked. Or extends. Or sniffing. Turning off the brain periodically is in human nature, it is impossible to deal with this.
        2. All drinking countries by alcohol culture can be divided into several categories. They are called belts. Vodka belt, beer belt, wine belt, whiskey belt, rum belt, etc.
        3. If a really large sample is taken over a long period of time, then by the negative consequences for society, the most favorable wine belt (South of Europe), then beer (North of Europe) then the belt of hard drinks. Vodka belt is almost the most unfavorable, because vodka is just alcohol with water.

        Therefore, beer is good, they will not drink, but it’s difficult to get drunk.
        1. svp67 18 February 2020 19: 19 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          Therefore, beer is good, they will not drink, but it’s difficult to get drunk.

          Not that they are now being driven in plastic, and they are already reveling in them well
          1. Doctor 18 February 2020 19: 27 New
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            Not that they are now being driven in plastic, and they are already reveling in them well

            If you are talking about energy, then yes, but this is no longer alcohol.
            And so, look at the Moldavians, if by the volume of the drink they should have died out long ago, but for now, unfortunately, the Russian village is dying. And all the moonshine.
            1. svp67 18 February 2020 19: 37 New
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              Quote: Arzt
              And so, look at the Moldavians, if by the volume of the drink they should have died out long ago, but for now, unfortunately, the Russian village is dying. And all the moonshine.

              The Russian village is not dying out because of moonshine. There is much deeper and this process is not only with us. So, what is there to blame one moonshine, is not correct. Moreover, moonshine is not vodka, it is closer to whiskey. Are there any claims to whiskey?
              Energy is not exactly what you are trying to say, low-grade canned twins, that’s all sucks, but they solder a lot. And you shouldn’t underestimate beer, they drink a lot and far from the best sorts. Although now there are many "craft" varieties, but they are more expensive.
              1. Maki Avellevich 18 February 2020 22: 40 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Moreover, moonshine is not vodka, it is closer to whiskey. Are there any claims to whiskey?

                moonshine and whiskey are one and the same. Vodka differs from them in that it is pure alcohol without impurities (except for water). the problem of vodka is precisely in its "purity". as a metaphor, you can take home gas in which there is an admixture that helps a person to sense a leak and respond. the body “notices” the alcohol without impurities a little later than the “dirty alcohol,” and the liver starts the delayed cleaning mode.
                hence the difference in health status between drinking vodka or moonshine / whiskey. Vodka is a bit disastrous for moonshine.
        2. aybolyt678 18 February 2020 19: 59 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          Therefore, beer is good, they will not drink, but it’s difficult to get drunk

          you are a victim of an information attack ... sad
          Quote: Arzt
          Scientists are not silent, they are encouraging this business. The issue has been studied at a serious scientific level and more than once.

          This is at those levels where science is the guardian of money. A serious level corresponds to the fee for using a scientific title. But it has nothing to do with science. The main cause of alcoholism is social. This is typical for a society where there is no way to realize the potential of a person. Sincerely.
          1. Doctor 18 February 2020 21: 46 New
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            The main cause of alcoholism is social. This is typical for a society where there is no way to realize the potential of a person.

            Not so simple.
            Muslims do not drink. Afghanistan is all on the needle.
            The USSR sought to realize the potential. How they drank you know.
            The French drink wine daily.
            With potential, everything is ok.
            The same with the Germans, only with beer.
            I repeat: they will drink according to anyone. It's just that you can live with beer and wine up to 89, and vodka will finish at 40.
            1. aybolyt678 19 February 2020 08: 15 New
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              Quote: Arzt
              Muslims do not drink.

              Muslims on a hookah laughing ,
              Quote: Arzt
              The USSR sought to realize the potential.

              Stalin's USSR after the war - the most sober country in the world hi .
              Quote: Arzt
              The French drink wine daily.

              red wine has a substance, resveratrol, which dissolves cholesterol in blood vessels, while expanding them, but this wine is very acidic and has a specific taste, weak, so you don’t feel like drinking a lot, besides it is expensive.
              Quote: Arzt
              The same with the Germans, only with beer.

              I myself live in a German village, here children get acquainted with the Russian language since school ... They do not drink at all. Pigs are bred, and have from 4 +++ children in EVERY family !!! Believe in God! which is essentially an alternate reality replacing alcohol laughing wassat
      2. aybolyt678 18 February 2020 19: 54 New
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        Vodka alcoholism is now quickly giving way to a beer house.

        undoubtedly! in alcoholism, the main thing is regularity of consumption. When broadcasting "sports" matches, beer advertising became normal, a certain attitude to beer is formed as a way to relax after a hard day, and any regular consumption of alcohol is already a stage of alcoholism.
        first, consumption becomes regular, then less "cultural" and stronger.
  2. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 15: 06 New
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    The hunchbacked ghoul already introduced prohibition ... Then they drank even more, shmurdyak. Vineyards cut down. Now the Russian Federation is far from the leader in consumption ...
    It is necessary to raise the status of a teacher; talented people must come to education.
    A male teacher should appear at the school.
    1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 15: 17 New
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      Quote: Tank jacket

      It is necessary to raise the status of a teacher; talented people must come to education.
      A male teacher should appear at the school.

      I add - you need a culture to the masses! We have the Bolshoi Theater and the Mariinsky Theater, and the Hermitage ... And they know how to read, and write, and count ... But the goby is sure to be thrown past the ballot box ...
      And how much is needed a culture of drinking ....!
      1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 15: 23 New
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        I agree and remove the naked from the stage in theaters.
        1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 15: 28 New
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          Quote: Tank jacket
          I agree and remove the naked from the stage in theaters.

          The main thing is that must come to naught in Russia - it is HYIP !!! For the sake of this word, people climb onto roofs, jump from bridges, naked in the theater, checkmate, cowards instead of songs ....
      2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 15: 54 New
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        Quote: Nasr
        And how much is needed a culture of drinking ....!

        The culture of drinking and the culture of conversation, this is with us at a low level.
      3. Gato 18 February 2020 16: 16 New
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        I add - you need a culture to the masses!

        Only at first it is necessary to determine the connector through which this culture will be grafted to the masses. So far I can only suggest two: a wallet and a tail area sad
      4. aybolyt678 18 February 2020 20: 02 New
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        Quote: Nasr
        And how is a drinking culture needed

        Culture is a system of internal constraints. A drinking culture implies limiting this drinking.
    2. Mathafaka 18 February 2020 15: 36 New
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      The point is in the quality of consumed. You can sit back in one shot of funfirik.
    3. aybolyt678 18 February 2020 20: 01 New
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      Quote: Tank jacket
      The humpback ghoul already introduced prohibition.

      at the same time, he abolished the state monopoly on the sale of vodka ... I remember how at all kiosks, Soyuzpechat along with Solzhenitsyn AIDS INFO, brochures were sold with recipes and instructions for the production of alcohol .... I wonder who funded it?
    4. Starover_Z 18 February 2020 22: 38 New
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      A male teacher should appear at the school.

      It would be necessary, but not "nerds", but
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      It is necessary to raise the status of a teacher; talented people must come to education.
      A male teacher should appear at the school.

      owls right.
      alcohol / drug use is growing where there is no purpose. when a person does not have transpersonal goals, he still needs sharp sensations / emotions. drugs are a virtual substitute for these.
      give him a goal, borrow a person in a truly important matter, and he will look less for an ersatz of emotions.
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    Use only legal drugs and poisons, alcohol and tobacco, the state distributes some and fights with others, some kind of absurdity, it's just a business for the health of citizens, a little cynical of course.
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      I think the principle "if you can not ban, then you need to lead." Moreover, getting a profit. If even the socialist state profited from the sale of alcohol, then what about the current bourgeois?
      And drugs will soon be allowed, they will start with cannabis (medical, gee-gee)
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    You’ll meet drunk people in the streets less often. Home use ... so at the entrance, in the morning, they will no longer miss it and will be pulled out of the steering wheel.
    Complete bruises, somewhere gone, for the most part, this is a fact.
    This is hardly a merit of power, although there is also a bit of it, life has simply become very complicated and it’s impossible to fill it with bitter life.
    There is still a problem, but to some extent, it dies off by itself and stabilizes at a certain level.
    Acceptable or not ... everyone looks on his own side.
    I do not bet neither good nor bad, because it should do even better.
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      not badly said! +
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      This is true ... It’s just that alcohol is so expensive that it’s impossible for three ... and you can’t snack on Friendship .. But there are some positive aspects, you can buy cheese and a bottle of mineral water for three smile
      1. rocket757 18 February 2020 18: 13 New
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        Honestly, I have a decent supply of drinks of my own production, of any strength and taste! But I’m more fond of experimenting in terms of manufacturing, and use it, well, I really need a reason and a good company!
        It will be February 23rd, an iron occasion to sit with friends! And everything else is in the same vein.
        So, in my opinion, fine .... but about cheese for three, you can remember. It used to be so.
        1. parusnik 18 February 2020 18: 18 New
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          And I have a collection of the most crappy cognacs and cheap smile But the joke is when you open a bottle of 20 years ago such a cognac .... you surprise the company .. they do not believe that this is cheap cognac ... smile I don’t treat or give freshly released ... smile
          1. rocket757 18 February 2020 18: 44 New
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            It is clear that he did not hold in an oak barrel, but even in a bottle, a couple of decades, this is a period!
            Twenty Stars, This Is A Brand!
            I have a PARTY, a mulberry chacha, at least 7 years of aging and a fortress of 42. Honestly, as a fresh woman, she was not ah, every year she was getting better. Now it goes with a bang.
          2. Reptiloid 20 February 2020 18: 59 New
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            Quote: parusnik
            And I have a collection of the most crappy cognacs and cheap smile But the joke is when you open a bottle of 20 years ago such a cognac .... you surprise the company .. they do not believe that this is cheap cognac ... smile I don’t treat or give freshly released ... smile

            Good evening, Alex! hi Very interesting information. It is interesting, and by what principle did you collect your collection? What were you guided by?
        2. Reptiloid 20 February 2020 18: 51 New
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          Greetings, Victor! hi Only today I got to the tablet.
          Quote: rocket757
          Honestly, I have a decent supply of drinks of my own production, of any strength and taste! But I’m more fond of experimenting in terms of manufacturing, and use it, well, I really need a reason and a good company! ...

          But do you know that you are the cultural successor of the adherents of ancient science --- ALCHEMISTS, both ancient Egyptian and medieval ??????? laughing drinks The author is absolutely right in saying that the distillation of ethanol was invented in Ancient Egypt. It was used exclusively for medical purposes (preparation of potions and disinfection of wounds). Alexander of Macedon gave this drink to his soldiers. From the Greeks this technique became known to the Arabs (alcohol is a word from their language), and the Crusaders taught Europe this ...
          Note that the Russian word "drunk" is much older than the Arabic "al khol" and comes from the word "hunger", that is, want to drink.
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            Greetings Dmitry soldier
            Quote: Reptiloid
            successor to the adherents of ancient science --- ALCHEMISTS,

            All the same, the alchemists tried to conceal the impossible ... our skill is more "simple", applied. We are not trying to make gold from lead, everything is within the school chemistry subject. This was enough for me for any ideas.
            I did not delve into the history of such a tricky word "alukrainetsik", so much lumpy. There was no need.
            The main thing to remember is that if the smell like C2H5OH burns, it is not necessary that it is OH, there may be poison!
            1. Reptiloid 20 February 2020 20: 53 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              Greetings Dmitry soldier All the same, the alchemists tried to conceal the impossible ... our skill is more "simple", applied. We are not trying to make gold from lead, everything is within the school chemistry subject. This was enough for me, for any ideas ........
              Victor, precisely thanks to the famous Roger Bacon, 1214 --- 1292gggg, who was an encyclopedic scientist, and very respected mathematics, now we have a natural science, chemistry, derived from alchemy. In general, in their quest, alchemists discovered a lot of what was needed.
              For example, an unknown monk discovered a method for producing concentrated inorganic acids — sulfuric, H2SO4, and nitrogen, HNO3, and he is also credited with “aqua regia” .....
              Alchemy also brought the world arsenic, phosphorus, and the development of pharmaceuticals. Indeed, in addition to the philosopher's stone, alchemists tried to achieve immortality for people.
              A school chemistry course ----- it was just a new stage for me !!!!!! good I just didn’t do it on the basis of school chemistry .... The set was still ---- I have a JUNIOR CHEMISTRY.
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                Chemistry is just an auxiliary skill for me, etch a board, apply metallization to pens and panels ... for fun, indelible fun, smelly paint! How to chachat, clean and create brandy from it!
                I am an electronic engineer, from and to.
                Soviet radio amateurs were able to do EVERYTHING! Even the book was, but not one, Amateur radio technology ... like, do it yourself! there a whole section was applied chemistry.
                1. Reptiloid 20 February 2020 21: 33 New
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                  The practical application of chemistry is the most! laughing laughing In many industries without chemistry in any way
                  1. rocket757 20 February 2020 21: 38 New
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                    No chemistry ANYWHERE! It’s just that much for a modern person is so familiar, normal, we’re doing it without hesitation ...... and she is EVERYWHERE there!
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                      Quote: rocket757
                      No chemistry ANYWHERE! It’s just that much for a modern person is so familiar, normal, we’re doing it without hesitation ...... and she is EVERYWHERE there!

                      just shocked was electrolysis when he found out!
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                        To them I was literally "shocked" in the early 70's! when he laughed with voltage and grabbed the electrodes under voltage with his hands in the “syrup” (electrolyte)!
                        So, young experimenters, learn that Safety is not fools invented !!! Yes, even the paternal slap in the head stimulated brain activity and memory ... since then such a boring subject as TB and industrial sanitation has never failed in exams, I learned from the inspector.
                        In addition, he quickly learned to metallize, to decoratively coat with metal, various fintiflyushki.
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        To them I was literally "shocked" in the early 70's! when he laughed with voltage and grabbed the electrodes under voltage with his hands in the “syrup” (electrolyte)!
                        So, young experimenters, learn that Safety is not fools invented !!! Yes, even the paternal slap in the head stimulated brain activity and memory ... since then such a boring subject as TB and industrial sanitation has never failed in exams, I learned from the inspector.
                        In addition, he quickly learned to metallize, to decoratively coat with metal, various fintiflyushki.

                        Cool episode! I envy!
                        I spent my experiments from childhood at home .... when there was nobody.
                        It is hereditary laughing
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                        Suppose I had such blunders while my father was at the service \ work and then when he was gone.
                        And so, he just checked, found out that it didn’t go according to the results of my appearance ... hair stood on end, a wandering gaze (when the current dropped to the heel, fawn brows, for example, and the like, much more is impossible hide from an experienced MILITARY, who for many years was engaged in training "salag" military-technical wisdom.
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        Suppose I had such blunders while my father was at the service \ work and then when he was gone.
                        And so, he just checked, found out that it didn’t go according to the results of my appearance ... hair stood on end, a wandering gaze (when the current dropped to the heel, fawn brows, for example, and the like, much more is impossible hide from an experienced MILITARY, who for many years was engaged in training "salag" military-technical wisdom.

                        Wandering glance? This is familiar to me .... Rather, my mother said so when she caught me following my experiences. And after all, FROM CHILDHOOD AND TILL TIME, the "before the eyes" "periodic system! And I got a belt ... There are memories of how at the age of 7 I fused a rosin with plasticine with a soldering iron ...
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                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        There are memories of how at the age of 7 I fused a rosin with plasticine with a soldering iron ...

                        It was necessary to poke an aspirin tablet with a soldering iron! An indescribable feeling, if you recall!
                        Although, the thinnest wires tin, the very thing!
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                        There are all sorts of childhood memories of experiences, punishments and successes.
                        Especially, like a gas burner there was a green flame for a long time and the neighbors in that "Stalin" trembled for a long time, looking at him .....
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                        I remembered how I grew crystals of copper sulphate --- I gave it to the school room ... How I melted sulfur ... and I got plastic sulfur ... How I calculated the reaction to get a SULFAN mixture, the general formula is from H2S2 to H2S8. I made an assembly, I made a mistake in the little things --- the test tube broke! I wanted to try a second time, but ended in HCl ..........
                        Your students, Victor, probably love busy classes, try!
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                        Sulfur to melt, especially by burning ... neighbors have not beaten? I was nearly beaten when it dawned on them that it was possible to enter the entrance only in a gas mask! And they managed to get to the cellars only by the end of the week! And the things stored in the basements, for a long time kept the memory of my experiments!
                        Wards, like everyone at their age, HURRY!
                        They want everything at once, so like all teachers, they have to repeat the most important lesson - Without labor, you don’t .... there’s nothing much, more precisely nothing!
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                        No, the neighbors did not beat, because I specially chose summer time, some neighbors were away, and I opened the windows and the door to the landing — everything was pulled! Although it was difficult for me to breathe after the end of the experiment ~~ 2 hours.
                        And the most unpleasant thing was when I fused sulfur with iron filings and poured hydrochloric acid there, the extreme one!
                        Wards all at once? If they try, they achieve their goal --- that's great! good
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                        Wards all at once? If they try, they achieve their goal --- that's great!

                        This is not a cartoon about penguins of Madagascar. I don’t learn like that — I blew it, spat, taped it with tape! - everything should be according to the rules, drawings, etc.
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        ...... This is not a cartoon about penguins of Madagascar. I don’t learn like that — I blew it, spat, taped it with tape! - everything should be according to the rules, drawings, etc.

                        "" Everything ----- and right away! "" This can be achieved in different ways.
                        1. Work hard to solve the problem, more time, labor
                        2. Make ---- "" blow spit ""
                        It’s clear that we are talking about the first option
                        Good morning, Victor!
                      13. rocket757 22 February 2020 11: 05 New
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                        Good morning Dmitry soldier
                        We have limited time for communication / occupation.
                        We have to learn the basics, and then help, correct. Well, if someone in the family can help, explain. Then things go better.
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                        Good luck to you, Victor and your wards! hi
                        Happy Holiday!
                        Defender of the Fatherland Day!
                        On this day, February 23 is celebrated in Russia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Transnistria, South Ossetia,
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                        And I wish you success, with the upcoming!
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    +++ life has become complicated. I can not afford to drink from the word at all. Because if you drank 150, at least a day you lose on the loss of concentration.
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      Tight restrictions, it’s someone like that, we set ourselves.
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    EVERYTHING thought over the comment. Yes, really. Somehow I rarely see drunk people on the street. Sometimes in a minibus. Sometimes on a bus or tram .... one or two people behave quietly, no one gets out, not like before .. Yes, really .... I remembered everything .... Say before the 10th year they were drunk in transport companies and on the street still drank ...... by the subway, by the stalls ...... And I remember the young girls, went to work in the summer, in the afternoon, on Blagodatnaya, it’s sunny, hot, they drink and spit .... .brrrrrrrr And then 2 decent age aunts drank cognac in the subway, in the summer in the heat ....
    Quote: rocket757
    You’ll meet drunk people in the streets less often. Home use ... so at the entrance, in the morning, they will no longer miss it and will be pulled out of the steering wheel.
    Complete bruises, somewhere gone, for the most part, this is a fact.
    This is hardly a merit of power, although there is also a bit of it, life has simply become very complicated and it’s impossible to fill it with bitter life.
    There is still a problem, but to some extent, it dies off by itself and stabilizes at a certain level.
    Acceptable or not ... everyone looks on his own side.
    I do not bet neither good nor bad, because it should do even better.
    Interestingly, we live far from each other. Thousands of kilometers. The trend, however ......
  • Sergey39 18 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    Bread wine is pure moonshine. As well as whiskey. If you start producing on an industrial scale and register a trademark, you can make good money. But this has nothing to do with the fight against alcoholism.
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      Quote: Sergey39
      If you start producing on an industrial scale and register a trademark, you can make good money.

      Anyway, then the managers will be ruffled.
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Bread wine is pure moonshine.

      That means. We buy a moonshine unit, a tank from a gas mask, and create ..... We try, evaluate, etc. drinks
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Bread wine is pure moonshine. As well as whiskey. If you start producing on an industrial scale and register a trademark, you can make good money. But this has nothing to do with the fight against alcoholism.


      What, in fact, Mr. Rodionov mentioned in the article does.
      "Polugar" is its registered trademark.
      Threat. By the way, Mr. Rodionov paid for this ad, the administration of "VO"?
      "Original" or base.
      / https://www.sostav.ru/publication/rodionov-20290.html /
      hi
  • Slavs 18 February 2020 15: 30 New
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    To instill a culture of drinking ... That they would know when, what and with what it is appropriate to use ... A culture of behavior, that would understand how much to use)) Someone is interested. Maybe you should at least enlighten in universities? We talked with my son about drinks, so that he wouldn’t face dirt on a date)) He’s not ashamed of his son.
    And nobody canceled the stress reliever, but again, the servants understand when and where it is possible ... And how much.
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    A glass of transparent tasteless poison with pickles - that’s all that remains of the richest Russian national cuisine, where hundreds of different kinds of drinks were accompanied by the same many different snacks.
    So I always remember V. Vysotsky "And if I hadn’t driven vodka out of sawdust, we should have had five bottles." I always preferred bread wine (brew) made by my aunt on my father, better than any French cognac, and even a perversion like whiskey and brandy can not be put next to it. Yes, in Russian appetizer, red fish (light-salted) or herring with onions, white smoked halibut, cucumbers, mushrooms (only salted) and their potatoes sprinkled with natural oil, and good fat sham with layers. Do not need these Michelin taverns.
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      You know, you are a provocateur in a good sense of the word, I almost cried laughing
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        You are a provocateur in a good sense of the word, I almost cried

        I know, but I try to do all this as I described.
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          And you can’t right now for me)) what grief. !!!! And they will drink in Russia, maybe less. Senya sort of like that, out of the corner of his ear, on the news I heard that the use of strong alcohol in the Russian Federation has increased. And I have never tried halibut
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            And I have never tried halibut

            Halibut is white, cold smoked, it is a cimus. Try not to regret it, but with a beer you’ll go for a sweet soul. The beauty !
  • boni592807 18 February 2020 15: 42 New
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    There are many interesting things in the history of Russia and its indigenous peoples on this subject. wink
    In short, until some historical times (RI), HE was not VILLAIN.
    It just WASN’T !!! And if he did, he was directed against the sale and distribution of vodka, it came to riots! Read the story. what
    Someone (the peoples of Russia) had drinks for religious rituals and strictly regulated cases. For example, among the Slavs (Vedic period), before Christianity - Surya. In fact - a low-alcohol honey drink.
    A significant part of the later (Russian) - Orthodox Christians, after the Nikon reform (see now on TV HF "Split") became Old Believers. Old Believers do not drink, do not swear, do not smoke, live in large families, help each other.
    The current situation is the result of "work on making money" by the state (RI, USSR, RF), under the Russian Federation, and it has been launched at the mercy of "business". Recall the consequences if a business promises 200% profit.
    hi
    Everything is solved!
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      Quote: boni592807
      There are many interesting things in the history of Russia and its indigenous peoples on this subject.

      Everything must be done without bending, just like with the culture of drinking. If everything comes from Istarii, from grandfathers and great-grandfathers, according to our Orthodox customs, then it’s nothing bad when people gather for any reason, then this is wonderful. But if people cross borders, then this is already a booze. I was born and raised in a guranian family and environment. If we were always going to have one toast, and no one else made the toast, and no one said "Respect me", but simply fill each how much he needs. If I came to a neighbor and they sit there eating and drinking, I just sat down and poured as much as I want, or poured and ate silently. We have no one invites to the table, and no one offers a drink. You want to eat, you want to drink, it's your business. But we did not have drunk.
  • Mihail2019 18 February 2020 15: 44 New
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    Hm! The author, at least, does not cut off the shoulder, which I already liked.
    And - there are quite sensible thoughts in the article! Yes, and some new information for me regarding the production of drinks.
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      Do not drink at all is more harmful than drink, negativity all sorts of stress, injustice, arbitrariness, sometimes destroys a person, and alcohol can erase information, including negative information. And then alcohol attracts not only people, but also animals and insects, and taiga peoples sometimes they even appease spirits. A complete rejection of alcohol is dangerous for a person as a species, of course, one must strive to be a person and to know the measure, and this is a problem that must be somehow solved.
      By the way, there is a wonderful song by the doctor of nutritionist Timur Shaov "In defense of drunkenness"
  • Gato 18 February 2020 15: 56 New
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    - Do you suffer from alcoholism?
    “Well ... why am I suffering?” tongue
    1. Sergey39 18 February 2020 16: 00 New
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      Quote: Gato
      Well ... why am I suffering?

      I enjoy it laughing
  • Avior 18 February 2020 16: 25 New
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    Summary of the article

    And after all, Ivan Vasilievich was right!
    He himself drank anise. And now she suddenly began to be called the import word sambuca
    smile
    1. Andrey VOV 18 February 2020 16: 55 New
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      As I understand it, sambuca is something cocktail. And it is aniseed vodka ... a friend at work makes his own aniseed one .. the taste is unforgettable!
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        Sambuca - anise sweetened, liquor in modern terms
  • Blacksmith 55 18 February 2020 16: 26 New
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    Are you a drinker?
    Lover? I'm professional !

    Naturally, this evil must be fought.
    But he noticed that they probably drink in Europe no less, but in the evening you can calmly walk past a group of drunk youth, they are not looking for adventure. No one will find fault, no one will ask for matches or a cigarette.
    The culture of drinking and behavior must also be changed.
  • Andrey VOV 18 February 2020 16: 52 New
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    Quote: Pessimist22
    Use only legal drugs and poisons, alcohol and tobacco, the state distributes some and fights with others, some kind of absurdity, it's just a business for the health of citizens, a little cynical of course.

    Have you ever drank or smoked anything?
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      Well, why, I tried it, I didn’t like it with alcohol in high school, then in the Health magazines over the 80s I read what tobacco and alcohol are. In the service and after, after four years, I smoked, tolerance is developed very quickly, a lot I had to make an effort to quit, and for many years, until about 35, until I got married, I tried a lot of all kinds of substances, even read Carlos Castañeda, now I only use tea from drugs, I am actively involved in sports and business, and I also concluded for myself : Sobriety is the norm!
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        Here are the substances you’re in vain .. in vain ... it’s better to have a glass of wine for dinner or a glass of wine .. than substances ....)))) with alcohol it’s also not all clear ... old people over there are wine and tobacco God knows how many live my grandmother, 95 years old .. on my anniversary 30 grams of cognac .. specially I bought a good one for her, did not regret the money, and someone up 25 paws up ... it’s clear, any abuse of even fitness and sex, even tobacco and alcohol it is harmful
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          Well, I like sports and women like tobacco and alcohol more smile
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            Well, one doesn’t interfere with the other if in moderation and in joy)))
  • Vladimir_2U 18 February 2020 16: 53 New
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    "The history of Russian vodka from half a gig to our days"
    This book can no longer be read after these lines:
    In fact, Russia (or rather, the Soviet Union) took the first place in the ranking of the most drinking countries only since the 50s of the last century. Prior to this, for example, by the 90s of the 8th century, Russia was only in the penultimate place in the consumption of absolute alcohol (only Norway drank less), and in the consumption of hard drinks (such as vodka) it was in the 3th place, behind the leader - Denmark - almost XNUMX times
    And in the 80s, the USSR was no leader in the consumption of abs. alcohol!
    The main idea of ​​the book is that the state monopoly on alcohol is bad! And also pre-revolutionary recipes.
    The article is no better.
    It is harmful in any case, but in its pure form, in the form of modern vodka, causes a faster and stronger addiction to the body
    Bullshit! What is the most wonderful craft moonshine in this regard better than the cheapest, but not "scorched" vodka? Just the first (second, third) pile is much easier to drink. You might think from moonshine or viskar drunks less quality come out.
  • Lamata 18 February 2020 16: 57 New
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    The Russian Federation will never abandon this revenue item of the budget.
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    The body perceives the distillation product with fusel oils and other additives as poison and fights it, mobilizing all the forces.
    The rectification product is very pure, without impurities, the body does not perceive as poison, and accordingly does not fight.
    Therefore, addiction is faster. Moreover, the rectification product can be made from anything, even from sawdust, the output is still ethyl alcohol. But good moonshine from their poor raw materials will not work. And for organism, there is a big difference. It’s one thing to process the product from grapes, another oil or cellulose business. At one time, a surge in domestic drunken crimes occurred under Khrushchev, when they allowed vodka to be made from beets. From such vodka, the body becomes very stupid.
    In general, the product of distillation is more favorable for the body.
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      Have you ever tried moonshine made from broccoli ???? beetroot paradise ambrosia seem)))
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        Have you ever tried moonshine from a brew?

        did not try. I prefer grapes. drinks
        1. Andrey VOV 19 February 2020 10: 17 New
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          And thank God))))
    2. Zaits 19 February 2020 01: 52 New
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      Quote: glory1974
      The body perceives the distillation product with fusel oils and other additives as poison and fights it, mobilizing all the forces.


      In fact, the mechanism of action of heavy fractions on the absorption of ethanol is somewhat different.

      The main problem for the body is acetaldehyde, which is obtained by the oxidation of ethanol in the liver. Heavy fractions significantly slow down this process, noticeably softening the action of ethanol by reducing the concentration of acetaldehyde, and stretching it over time. Ultimately, when compared with regular vodka, ethanol is absorbed less (more excreted in the urine, etc.), and it is easier for the body to oxidize acetaldehyde to acetic acid in a longer time, i.e., the total effect of acetaldehyde will be less. And that is why vodka is easier to drink than cognac or viskar, all other things being equal and without regard to price, essno.

      And by the way, about the same mechanism is used in the treatment of methanol poisoning. Vodka is soldered. Well, more water and a toilet.

      So, the topic has long been known, and that the author refers to the notorious "study", which smacks of custom-made, and comrade. Rodionov, he does not do honor to him. Although, I even admit that a person wrote quite sincerely. But if you already took up the enlightenment of the masses, then enlighten.
      1. Glory1974 19 February 2020 09: 20 New
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        Thanks for the competent addition. I did not know such subtleties. hi
  • fa2998 18 February 2020 17: 14 New
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    The humpback ghoul already introduced prohibition.

    It should be noted that before Gorbachev they drank instead of vodka, it’s not known what. As Vysotsky sang, “if the vodka was not from sawdust.” We still consume more moonshine, otherwise we get prices with this excise tax-2. hi
    1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 18: 27 New
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      My grandfather preferred Gader to Gorbachev ...
  • Freeman 18 February 2020 17: 29 New
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    Regardless of the raw materials used, at the end of the rectification process you will receive 96,6% С2Н5ОН - ethyl alcohol, rectified.


    Interestingly, in the distillation process, do we not get the same ethyl alcohol?
    - Ah, her
    as a result of distillation (distillation) ... a fragrant drink with a pleasant rye aroma was obtained.


    But what is this talking about?
    Only that as a result of distillation, it turns out not pure ethyl alcohol (rectified) - but a mixture of ethyl alcohol with other higher alcohols and oils (from aromatic to fusel).
    It turns out as a result of cutting off the "heads and tails", "by eye".
    Depending on the experience and taste preferences of the "master".

    Well, I congratulate the author on joining the Witnesses of the Distillate sect.
    “There is no god but Distillate.” And the Distillation Cube, his prophet.
    - Shudder!

    wassat / sarcasm /

    Threat. In general, all this resembles the adherents of the sect of "audiophiles."
    Those are also convinced that the "right sound" can only be "warm and tube".
    And for this we need "wires of oxygen-free copper with correctly oriented electrons" for "+100500" money.
    And so that the electrons "carrying sound" do not stray from the "true path" - we still need special supports for the cables in order to protect these very electrons from vibration and the effects of static electricity.


    ZY.ZY. We look forward to continuing, where the author will tell us about the advantages and disadvantages of various "moonshine stills" and additional elements to them (dry steamers, etc.)
    1. Andrey VOV 18 February 2020 17: 46 New
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      You laugh, but what material the apparatus is made of and distillation cubes, etc., affects the final product, and this is a proven fact.
      1. Freeman 18 February 2020 18: 23 New
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        Quote: Andrey VOV
        You laugh, but what material the apparatus is made of and distillation cubes, etc., affects the final product, and this is a proven fact.


        Alas, I am not a “sommelier” to distinguish a “product” made using a copper cube from a “product” made of a cube of “stainless steel” or a glass flask.
        Taste differences, in my opinion, are associated with the accuracy of selecting all the same “heads” and tails and obtaining the final “cocktail” in the end.
        And since the heat-conducting characteristics of the materials are different, then with the usual technological process, the result will be different.
        1. Andrey VOV 18 February 2020 19: 02 New
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          Heads and tails are very important, no less important initial raw materials ... then the methods and degrees of purification of the finished product of its deodorization .... storage .... well, and then the correct use)))
    2. Zaits 19 February 2020 02: 59 New
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      Quote: Freeman
      Only that as a result of distillation, it turns out not pure ethyl alcohol (rectified) - but a mixture of ethyl alcohol with other higher alcohols and oils (from aromatic to fusel).
      It turns out as a result of cutting off the "heads and tails", "by eye".
      Depending on the experience and taste preferences of the "master".


      You still forgot methanol, acetone, formaldehyde and other rubbish. Not to mention the fact that the composition of the heavy fractions is highly dependent on the feedstock.
      Nevertheless, "depending on the experience and taste preferences of the master," the final seasoned product may turn out to be better than an aqueous solution of pure ethyl alcohol. And due to the peculiarities of human metabolism, sometimes unstable too.
  • Catfish 18 February 2020 17: 58 New
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    "It is shown not to drink to someone - maybe ...

    To another - with whom, when and how many bowls to share ...

    When the four are all met,

    Intelligent men, of course, will drink. "(O. Khayyam)

    That's exactly what the Intelligent. Without the presence of a “king” in your head, you should not uncork a bottle. drinks
  • parusnik 18 February 2020 17: 59 New
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    It is a pity, the late EBN will not read this article ....
  • rudolff 18 February 2020 18: 10 New
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    The root of the welfare problem. There is no money - they drive moonshine, dilute alcohol, buy the cheapest bassbanes. A little more money - they buy vodka. A little more - good vodka, good wine. A lot of money - they take cognac, whiskey. It’s stupid to drink Stolichnaya if you can drink Napoleon.
  • Tank jacket 18 February 2020 18: 23 New
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    And the sailors drink Shilo !!! and flyers to massandra (if it is used right now)

    Tankers respect Massandra too ... Port Alushta red and white are good.
  • kiril1246 18 February 2020 20: 08 New
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    It is time to stop the indigenous nation's drinking up.
  • samarin1969 18 February 2020 21: 04 New
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    Um. The theme is for Friday.
    Appreciated the Crimean grape distillate. Kizlyarsky - tastes good (whiskey!), But heavier on the body.
    Rectified - really swill compared to the distillate.
  • Alexander X 18 February 2020 21: 42 New
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    I am fond of home brewing. Not by consumption, but by boiling ... I can responsibly declare that only the selection of heads and tails does not provide a body that is sufficiently cleansed of "byak". The trouble is that during distillation, fractions having different boiling points go in ONE FLOW. And the necessary separation into fractions depending on the boiling point cannot be achieved by direct distillation. Moreover, the strength of the liquid at the outlet does not mean the "purity" of the product. Therefore, they use such a thing as under-rectification. This is a distillation product, but obtained by REPEATED reflux of reflux in a brew column. Because of the repeated evaporation, the fractions are separated more successfully. Personally, I make wheat vodka by distillation of raw grain spirit in the brew column, selecting the heads and pouring them out and selecting the head restraints (fractional distillation) and pre-tails, and only the next day I add the necessary ester fractions to the body giving the desired flavor ... By the way, whiskey and cognac have a significant content of all sorts of unpleasant substances precisely because of the provision of organoleptic properties characteristic of these drinks.
    Craft distilleries are wonderful, but not marketable.
    1. Zaits 19 February 2020 02: 23 New
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      Quote: Alexander X
      By the way, whiskey and cognac have a significant content of all sorts of unpleasant substances precisely because of the provision of organoleptic properties characteristic of these drinks.

      Well, they are not so unpleasant, and they give a characteristic taste. Here you are absolutely right.
      Unpleasant - these are mainly light fractions and fermentation products of heavy sugars.
      Light fractions are removed by exposure (fly away through the walls of the barrel or cork), etc. - only due to the feedstock with a maximum glucose content. That's why brandy and whiskey are made from grapes and malt, and then aged in barrels.
  • bandabas 19 February 2020 00: 09 New
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    Best of all is a “first-born” made for yourself. Of course not abusing drinks !
    1. Zaits 19 February 2020 02: 36 New
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      My friend is keen on moonshine. Without abuse, essno. Ultimately, it all comes down to a single question: "Well, who can stand it?" But the Scots and the French have laws on this.
  • Po-tzan 19 February 2020 02: 34 New
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    How to solder the Russian people


    Anglo-Saxon and Bendera held Russian by the hand, and a freemason with an illuminant poured vodka into his mouth by force drinks
  • Million 19 February 2020 09: 45 New
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    The culture of drinking should be instilled! And monitor the quality of drinks. The same brandy can not cost 1000 rubles if it is real. By the way, in France they drink a lot, even during the day, and even women. But they drink wine and not until a pig screech.
    I somehow had to buy vodka at one event. It turned out to be good to find is not so easy, even in chain stores.
  • iouris 19 February 2020 12: 56 New
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    Advocacy for military alcoholization?
  • Aleksandr1971 19 February 2020 13: 08 New
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    In general, I agree with the author. But there are paradoxical facts.

    1. The greatest life expectancy in the world in those countries where they drink the most, and this is not Russia at all. These are France, Italy, Switzerland, Spain. But if in these countries a high proportion of wine is consumed in alcohol consumption, then in countries such as Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong (where they also drink more than in Russia) they drink vodka (from 23 to 60 degrees).
    2. Crime in non-drinking countries - Somalia, Afghanistan, Libya, more than in drinking countries. And in general, where they do not drink (and even illegitimate sexual intercourse is forbidden) in men, their brains are on one side. Guys (not all, but in large part) become dangerous psychos.

    I think that if you significantly limit the consumption of alcohol in Russia, you can reach the new coup d'etat. The current government in Russia perfectly remembers the social background against which the February revolution took place and the background against which the Soviet Union fell — this embittered sober population.
    Do you want a revolution? Me neither. So let's drink and not disturb others from drinking.
  • CBR600 19 February 2020 13: 15 New
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    most alcoholics are unloved in childhood, and therefore have not learned from their parents to love, communicate, make friends.

    I absolutely agree, quite right. For he is like that. But are there many happy families in our country? Families who were able to convey their love to children by raising social adaptability in them. I grew up without a family and yes, I’m not socially adapted. And yes, I get drunk quietly. One. I could not overcome the loss of life. And all that one once built, I’m afraid I will not build it again. Friends did not accumulate, lost. I have not created a family, and I will not create it, I will quietly destroy myself. Who is to blame for this ?? Hmm? In order not to seem a marginal, I must say right away that behind my back there are several completed projects the size of, for example, the same distillation unit, only in DIFFERENT areas.
  • shubin 19 February 2020 13: 44 New
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    Russia is perhaps the only country where rampant drinking is considered an occasion for national pride. request
    1. Aleksandr1971 19 February 2020 18: 02 New
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      Not the only one. In China, Japan and South Korea, getting drunk with the whole team (including students, including girls) is considered an occasion for pride, if not national, but at least corporate
  • Mikhail3 19 February 2020 16: 17 New
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    The causes of mass alcoholism have nothing to do with chemistry or biology. Everyone knows that. I am sure the author of the article is also up to date.
  • nikon7717 20 February 2020 23: 48 New
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    The article is good. Authors 5+. They recalled the history of drinks and well, readily presented. More such articles are needed.
    When I read, I remembered Professor Preobrazhensky from a dog’s heart, how he teaches to eat and Gosha’s birthday in Moscow does not believe in tears. The culture of drinking.
  • Whalebone 22 February 2020 07: 53 New
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    It makes no difference what a person drinks on a regular basis. Alcoholism is the systematic use of alcoholic beverages. Be it craft beer, brut, cognac or vodara at 2,20 (220 of course). I remember a beautiful article in the "Book about tasty and healthy food" - "from vodka to grape wine and beer." And the picture there was salivary - peas with sausages and a glass of beer)
    I drink it very rarely, but here I order hard workers (at their request). They insist on it with all sorts of nuts, lemon-eed and eat it before the weekend. They say that no vodka is needed - it wasn’t nearby. I myself tried a couple of times, yes, much tastier. And the distillate river - what is the central nervous system difference? Alcohol acts on her drug. And sorry, at least through the ass, enter him.
  • SVD68 2 March 2020 12: 47 New
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    All alcoholic drinks are drunk to obtain the narcotic effect of alcohol. In this sense, vodka is the most effective way. All discussions about the culture of drinking, the difference in alcoholic beverages, etc. - self-deception justifying taking the drug.
    No, there are still additional flavoring amenities. But who needs them without alcohol? Who needs sour and tart grape juice? Who needs a non-alcoholic beer? Who needs oak or cedar tincture without alcohol?
    No need to deceive yourself, trying to come up with some other properties of alcohol because of the difference in which drink it is.
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    Quote: SVD68
    All alcoholic drinks are drunk to obtain the narcotic effect of alcohol. In this sense, vodka is the most effective way. All discussions about the culture of drinking, the difference in alcoholic beverages, etc. - self-deception justifying taking the drug.
    No, there are still additional flavoring amenities. But who needs them without alcohol? Who needs sour and tart grape juice? Who needs a non-alcoholic beer? Who needs oak or cedar tincture without alcohol?
    No need to deceive yourself, trying to come up with some other properties of alcohol because of the difference in which drink it is.

    Once they asked me - Why are you smoking?
    For almost a year I collected information to answer. The answer turned out to be large and not developed here / topic. One of the components of the answer was the effect of alcohol on the circulation of hormones in the brain. Alcohol is not a drug at all, just like tobacco, alcohol is a psychotropic drug with unique qualities. No, it’s not at all an antipsychotic, its effect is rather the exact opposite. Therefore, it can lead to schiz =)