Defense Ministry ordered the development of weapons against hypersonic missiles - IFRK DP

The Ministry of Defense decided to develop a new multifunctional long-range interception missile system (IFRC DP), capable of intercepting, including hypersonic weapon.

This was reported by "Izvestia" with reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense.

According to the publication, at present, on the instructions of the military department, theoretical studies have already been carried out on an ultra-long-range air-to-air missile with a multiple warhead, work is underway to determine the characteristics and composition of a promising complex. One of the candidates is considered promising. aviation medium-range missile K-77M (as a warhead).

According to the military’s plans, the aircraft will have to launch a long-range “special ammunition” with several air-to-air missile warheads toward the target, which launches missiles at a certain point. Those, in turn, themselves find and attack the target, including hypersonic. It is stated that due to several missiles, and not one, the possibility of hitting a target increases significantly. The ultra-range of the ammunition will expand the area of ​​destruction of the target.

According to reports, it is planned to use MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors that are in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces as a carrier for the new long-range interception system, and later promising MiG-41 or other aircraft that they expect to replace it.

On our own, we add that to date, this project may seem fantastic to someone or not having prospects. But earlier it was also said about the creation of hypersonic weapons, which Russia already has, and will soon appear in other countries, including our potential opponents. Russia, capable of developing hypersonic weapons, will be able to develop protection against it. It is possible that in a completely different form and not as planned now, but the essence is preserved.

Comments

[Victor_B]

At least we have what to test them on (targets).
Well, the principle is that battleship armor should hold at least its own armor-piercing shells, no one has canceled.
Made a new weapon that the enemy does not have, learn to fight it, because the enemy will inevitably have the same, but with improved characteristics.

[Antidote]

Where are these battleships now? Maybe think about NFP ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: Antidote

Where are these battleships now? Maybe think about NFP ...

1. Those battleships have long become history.
I will explain it to you personally. Russia SHOULD develop tools destruction of rockets analogues of Zircon and Vanguard.
2. What is NFP?

[atalef]

Quote: Victor_B

I will explain it to you personally. Russia SHOULD develop means of destroying rockets of the analogues of Zircon and Vanguard.

It is strange that I somehow thought (based on countless articles) that it was impossible to intercept a type of hypersonic weapon.

And if possible? That fuck ass harmony? Enter yourself and drive others into an arms race.

[Vladimir_2U]

The solution resembles the English Starstrick MANPADS.

[Magog]

The solution for MANPADS is controversial. Semi-automatic laser guidance. That is, you must, at a minimum, hold the target with laser illumination for several seconds. Counteraction: the laser light sensor on board initiates the emission of interference (aerosol, smoke bombs, etc.). In our case (interception of a hypersonic missile), the idea of ​​using a block of missiles at the lesion site is not clear. Purely mathematically, is it likely that the probability of a larger number of missiles will increase? Converging missile courses and targets, following (if not catching up?). Somehow everything is unsteady. But let them think - then they are scientists!

[Vladimir_2U]

No, I'm not talking about guidance / homing, I'm talking about a block of missiles

Quote: Magog

Purely mathematically, or something, the probability of a larger number of missiles will increase

Are you serious? Just mathematically, this increases the probability of hitting the target! In addition, the salt here is this:

Super-range of ammunition will expand the target area

Medium-range missiles become long-range, or even super-long-range.

[Magog]

What is the probability of shooting down a hypersonic missile today? Without going into details - the value is extremely small, close to zero. So ? Now substitute this "zero" in the probability formula for several such interceptors. Probably, "one" will not work even close.

[Ka-52]

Purely mathematically, is it likely that the probability of a larger number of missiles will increase? Converging missile courses and targets, following (and if not catching up?)

But why do you often make simultaneous launches of two, and not one, SAMs on purpose?

[Magog]

This is when the probability differs markedly from "zero", then yes - you can increase the probability of defeat by increasing the number of interceptor missiles. I want to find estimates of interception of anti-ship missiles like Granite, Basalt / Volcano and Mosquito. We ourselves can confidently shoot down such missiles today? These missiles are supersonic (M = 2). If yes, then the approaches to solving problems with hypersound may be similar.

[bayard]

Quote: Magog

... I want to find estimates for interception of anti-ship missiles like Granite, Basalt / Volcano and Mosquito. We ourselves can confidently shoot down such missiles today?

We can. Sure. Long time ago.
To intercept hypersonic targets, the S-400 was also sharpened - with a margin of opportunity in case of the appearance of hypersonic missiles from the enemy. Americans then actively promoted their X-51 and other future means for a "quick global strike." There are no missiles to this day, and the air defense system has long been created, produced and deployed.

[Magog]

I deliberately did not rush to answer my own question. I wanted to find exactly the evidence of the conducted exercises with the use of such anti-ship missiles and air defense systems against them. And most importantly, the methods of missile destruction (attacks from above with a "kite", in pursuit, a head-on ...) The fact that the S-300/400 declare for such characteristics is understandable, but the mentioned anti-ship missiles (P-270, P-500, P-700 , P-1000) possess certain tactical properties (low approach heights, "wagging", "jumping", diving, onboard electronic warfare systems, attack by a "flock", etc. techniques). I hope that they were the ones tested for the S-300/400. In connection with the known characteristics of the S-400, the content of this article / news in VO is generally not clear. What do they invent?

[bayard]

For intercepting targets like your listed missiles, the previous systems did not have any special problems (S-300), the low flight profile is a short detection range, except that you connect an AWACS plane, but then hit explosive fighter aircraft with missiles, it is better against the KR means.
As test targets (imitation of a supersonic / hypersonic target), they usually use the old missiles - S-25, S-75, S-200, the old S-300 can also.

Quote: Magog

In connection with the well-known characteristics of the S-400, it is not clear what the contents of this article / news are in. What I invent

They also wrote there - they are inventing an ultra-long-range air-to-air missile to intercept hypersonic targets. For arming heavy interceptors MiG-31 and the promising PAK DP (MiG-41).

[Magog]

Thank you. The division into several separate missiles in the affected area is a trick, it must be understood, not to increase the probability of hitting one target, but the ability to intercept a group of attacking missiles. In addition, such a configuration can be effective in long-range aerial combat with a maneuverable target, although in this case the destruction missiles must be different (with high overload characteristics, with gas-dynamic control, like the C300 / 400), or is there no difference? Do you need some kind of "super-maneuverability" of air defense missiles for hypersonic targets?

[bayard]

Quote: Magog

Do you need some kind of "super-maneuverability" of air defense missiles for hypersonic targets?

She needs, now everyone is worried.

[Leha667]

Poor moment-31.
And the scout, and the interceptor, and the dagger, and now also the missile defense system.
It seems that in the camp of these aircraft as officials, the sea.
And there are probably less than a hundred of them.
Planes are not enough for all Wishlist.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Leha667

Planes are not enough for all Wishlist.

In my opinion, MiG-31, in storage ("under the fence" (?)) more than a hundred.

[Leha667]

Something tells me that it’s often easier and cheaper to build a new plane than to bring the plane into storage condition))

[Sergey Averchenkov]

And what to do until they are built? Chew snot? We must use what you have and at the same time develop new things.

[Leha667]

Options for the sea. For example, abandon air-based interceptor missiles.
Binding them to airplanes is just for the sake of testing and R&D. Therefore, these missiles must be land and sea based.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Leha667

Binding them to airplanes

Aircraft is primarily a booster block.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Why refuse? If possible, then why? There is a plane suitable for the parameters ... I can not understand you. Maybe your offers are cheaper, maybe they are better suited to our conditions? Explain the benefits of your offer.

[Ka-52]

Options for the sea. For example, abandon air-based interceptor missiles.

and additionally attach to it an accelerator step weighing several tons.

land

that is, poking in the tundra and taiga of a platform for deploying interceptor missiles is this your wise and economically viable solution?

[Lord of the Sith]

Within the framework of the executed and existing contracts, it is expected that at least 150 units will be upgraded to the MiG-31BM level by 2023.

[bayard]

Quote: Victor_B

In my opinion, there are more than a hundred of them, Mig-31, in storage ("under the fence" (?)).

About two hundred. And 20 pieces a year undergo overhaul and modernization. Half a year ago there were 30 carriers of "Daggers".

[mark2]

First aircraft, then you can put on booster rockets.
For experiments and tests, the aircraft is the optimal solution. It does not need to be created for each experience anew. And when the Russian Defense Ministry decides that the order matches, they will put it on the booster.
A rocket is both lighter and faster and cheaper.

[bars1]

And what prevents to put such a rocket - an accelerator / deliveryman on the Su-35S, for example? KAB-1500, he drags on the underwing nodes, dragging the radar detection range will allow. The only UN is not as frisky as the MiG-31.
IMHO, the main problem of the IFRK DP is not to be shot down until the breeding of "warheads"

[Stalllker]

This is the raisin, the rocket by inertia is already flying at the speed of an "interceptor"))) in this is the salt of the dagger, height, thin air, launch speed, etc.

[Yura]

Quote: Stalllker

This is the raisin, the rocket by inertia is already flying at the speed of an "interceptor"))) in this is the salt of the dagger, height, thin air, launch speed, etc.

Exactly so, and in general the idea is good, but the fact that as the rocket approaches a pack of greyhounds as it approaches, it’s generally cool, and if the type and speed of the target doesn’t matter for these packs, it’s better not to take off the aircraft carriers and the enemy’s strategists with them it’s better not to approach the zone controlled by MiG 31. The almost perfect air defense system of the Russian Arctic and not only the coast. Good idea. It remains to wish a speedy implementation.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: bars1

this is so that he is not shot down until the breeding of "warheads"

And why should he get into where they can bring him down?

The only UN is not as frisky as the MiG-31.

That is the whole point. Rocket acceleration speed.
The higher the speed of the carrier, the farther the rocket will fly

[snake]

Quote: Leha667

It seems that in the camp of these aircraft as officials, the sea.

Officials are the sea, but airplanes ...

[Ros 56]

And why did you get that the MiG-31 is poor, judging by the areas of application, on the contrary, it is very rich in its capabilities.

[Kontuzia]

capable of intercepting, including hypersonic weapons.

And after all, we will create it, and perhaps it already exists .... Trump should not have boasted about their "super-high-speed missiles, as he called them" ..
Russia’s military budget is, of course, modest, but the desire to survive and save Russia is very great .. As they say, we have a lot of inventions for cunning ..!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Kontuzia

and maybe it already exists

Yes, most likely as a prototype at least

[Nikolay87]

Timely. IMHO
We did not wait until the United States put on stream the production of future missiles.

[ugol2]

After the words "special ammunition" there is a thought to check if my OZK has torn after extreme fishing.

[Lontus]

Quote: ugol2

whether my OZK was torn after an extreme fishing.

Foreskin in the far north as an emergency

[ugol2]

Have something to say?

[Lontus]

Quote: ugol2

Have something to say?

lovers of "extreme" need to explain everything over and over again?

[Marconi41]

Quote: ugol2

After the words "special ammunition" there is a thought to check if my OZK has torn after extreme fishing.

OZK sucks! Go to KZI. By the way, and for fishing handy.

[Thrifty]

That's right, you need to work for the future, so that later you do not have to catch up, or not to stay forever second, at best.

[Operator]

I don’t know how to get a super long-range RVV with hypersonic targets, but Western AWACS will definitely end.

And the "stealth" Penguins will fly on a combat mission, dejectedly shining onboard radars

[Nikolay87]

By the way, how's it going with our A-100? Already gone into production or are they still testing?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Operator

shining faintly onboard radars

And sadly waving the ailerons ...

[knn54]

MiG-31 lechikov can be equated with astronauts.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: knn54

MiG-31 lechikov can be equated with astronauts.

Do not reach

established by Canadian scientists from the University of Calgary 118 km. And why, in fact, such a height? Indeed, the so-called “Karman line”, unofficially recognized as the boundary between the atmosphere and space, “passes” along a 100-kilometer mark. It is there that the air density is already so low that the aircraft must move at the first cosmic speed (approximately 7,9 km / s) to prevent a fall to Earth. But in this case, he no longer needs aerodynamic surfaces (wing, stabilizers). Based on this, the World Aeronautics Association has adopted a height of 100 km as a watershed between aeronautics and astronautics.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Leha667

Something tells me that it’s often easier and cheaper to build a new plane than to bring the plane into storage condition))

Something tells me that having a foundation, it’s easier, cheaper and faster to check and test several samples, replace the old one, and install the new one on the existing one. This, of course, does not cancel the new production of the old, previously developed and standing in service and does not cancel the new design of the new, not standing and not produced earlier.

[Magog]

And if you make a new one that does not cancel the old, but the old is not always better than the new one, which quickly becomes old from the old and new one, which ...

[Sky strike fighter]

The Ministry of Defense decided to develop a new multifunctional long-range interception missile system (IFRC DP), capable of intercepting, including hypersonic weapons.

According to reports, it is planned to use MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors that are in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces as a carrier for the new long-range interception system, and later promising MiG-41 or other aircraft that they expect to replace it.

Smart news. Mig-41 (PAK DP) to be !!!

[Prjanik]

It would be good if life shows that multifunctional fighters alone are not enough and it’s good for us who have such a heavy high-speed platform-arsenal, and not everyone else.

[Cowbra]

Logically, the analogue of the shot against birds is also a relatively fast and small target. And damage to the skin on hypersound is fatal - burn

[Pavel57]

"Over the missiles and anti-missiles, anti-anti-missiles raced." (FROM)

[rocket757]

. It is possible that in a completely different form and not as planned now, but the essence is preserved.

But this is already interesting, since it suggests that the creation of only anti-missiles will not be limited! And it is right!

[rica1952]

It’s very interesting what kind of hypersonic weapon the Russian Federation has, is it an aerobalistic rocket

[RVAPatriot]

You are right, there is a "Dagger", and after our "partners" made sure of this, they immediately stepped up in the development of hypersound .... So they took it seriously ....

[bk316]

If it is possible to make an effective complex of ultra-long interception, the NATO concept of gaining air superiority will collapse .... Stealth does not work without AWACS aircraft.

[master 52]

This is the right decision, if there is a sword, then you need a shield.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Magog

And if you make a new one that does not cancel the old, but the old is not always better than the new one, which quickly becomes old from the old and new one, which ...

Climbers have the principle of vertical movement - ALWAYS rely on three points. First, feel the fourth point for a new support, and only then do the weight transfer to another support. You cannot immediately release two arms or one leg and one arm. So in armaments. First, have SUFFICIENT, in accordance with the modern plan, and, building up the new, free yourself from the INTERVENTING old.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: rica1952

It’s very interesting what kind of hypersonic weapon the Russian Federation has, is it an aerobalistic rocket

Strictly speaking, these are modern warheads of new missile systems. Descending from outer space, they have such speeds. And the old ones too, but the new ones, besides this, also maneuver. Old ballistic descend, new cunning. The dagger does not need to go into space. He is a bully with a flight path in the atmosphere.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Magog

And if you make a new one that does not cancel the old, but the old is not always better than the new one, which quickly becomes old from the old and new one, which ...

When you FAST restored from the store to workable. then, slowly, you can refine the new one, eliminate errors, and establish the normal release of the well-developed and the new .... So, you need to do everything quickly because you are in no hurry.

[Ros 56]

And this is a very correct approach to the country's security.

[Old26]

Quote: Jura

Almost perfect air defense of the Russian Arctic and not only the coast. Good idea. It remains to wish a speedy implementation.

This raises a huge number of questions about how this will all be implemented.

Quote: Victor March 47

Strictly speaking, these are modern warheads of new missile systems. Descending from outer space, they have such speeds. And the old ones too, but the new ones, besides this, also maneuver. Old ballistic descend, new cunning. The dagger does not need to go into space. He is a bully with a flight path in the atmosphere.

No need to smack nonsense. Intercept BG ballistic missiles by plane - which just does not come up. And what are you going to do to search for these BGs. And they will most likely fly exactly where there will be a MIG with such a missile defense?
Of the new ones, only "Vanguard" is maneuvering. Both old and new descend along a ballistic trajectory (except for the Vanguard). "The dagger, so that it reaches the declared range for the complex of 2000 km on MIG-31, must have an apogee much higher than the boundaries of space. Kilometers 150-180, and possibly higher. The maximum for which such anti-missiles are designed on MIGs is to intercept cruise hypersonic missiles. and then, there are a lot of questions about this

[lvov_aleksey]

My article was about hypersonic missiles, and you are crazy here. I will be very glad if my country, Russia, can also make MANPADS for hypersonic missiles