Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on spending for 2019 and announced the appearance of a combat laser on airplanes


In 2019, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation spent more than 1,5 trillion rubles on the purchase of weapons and measures to ensure the state defense order. Part of the funds went for the purchase for the needs of the Armed Forces of the Peresvet combat laser systems, the arming of the Dagger hypersonic systems and other latest weapons.


This statement was made by Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Alexei Krivoruchko in an interview with the newspaper "A red star". More than 68 percent of this amount went to complete serial purchases of high-tech weapons and equipment. This allowed the department not to slow down the pace of equipping the Russian army with modern military equipment.

Speaking about plans for the next year, the Deputy Minister of Defense named as one of the most important tasks the increase in the speed of the domestic hypersonic weapons. Alexey Krivoruchko said that the developers of the weapons plan to bring the flight speed of Russian missiles to 10 Machs. Their activities are aimed at improving the tactical and technical characteristics of new types of weapons, as well as expanding the scope of their application. Work on the development and improvement of hypersonic weapons is underway for their use from air, sea and land based.


The representative of the Russian military department noted that in the worsening military-political situation in the world, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should not only provide strategic deterrence, but also quickly and effectively respond to all existing and predicted threats.

In addition, the official of the Ministry of Defense touched upon the development of combat laser weapons. As you know, not so long ago, the Peresvet ground complexes entered service with the RF Armed Forces. Alexey Krivoruchko noted that future plans include the deployment of a combat laser complex on the means aviation. In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane. However, he did not name a specific model of the aircraft on which the combat laser is planned to be installed.
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  1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 02 New
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    In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane.


    If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?
    1. Dmitry Donskoy 28 December 2019 18: 05 New
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      Once, flying on airplanes was fantastic, now it is a common thing. yes
      1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 40 New
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        Well, yes, the dynamo was invented even earlier ...
        1. Shurik70 28 December 2019 21: 32 New
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          Quote: cniza

          If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

          After all, there is no need to constantly have a nuclear reactor as a source.
          It is enough to have a source with great power, which will work for a split second. That’s enough.

          Most likely, they will follow the same path as the small-caliber EM guns.
          While in the USA they made a monster, which should feed a nuclear reactor, in Russia they made a “shot” - an EM gun inside a shell. Explosive detonation works like a powerful electric generator, the gun windings operate at extreme loads and evaporate almost instantly, but they manage to release a bullet weighing several grams. The bullet takes off at a speed of 3-5 km / s. The “shot” itself has dimensions approximately equal to the shot of a hand grenade launcher.

          I suppose something similar can be arranged for a laser.
          That is, the dimensions will be like a three-inch shell. Each shot is a one-time shot. It is clear that the aircraft will not take many shots, but it can be “attached” to any aircraft or even a drone. But most likely they will, like the EM gun, put on a rocket. The plane launches a rocket, the rocket is aimed at the target and shoots. With a laser. Without entering the air defense zone.

          Well, the laser that does not damage the target, but simply destroys the enemy’s optics, is enough for generators working from the airplane’s engine. There are no large capacities needed.
          1. kventinasd 28 December 2019 23: 35 New
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            Quote: Shurik70
            The plane launches a rocket, the rocket is aimed at the target and shoots. With a laser.

            Eco has covered you winked
            1. Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 05: 04 New
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              Quote: kventinasd
              The plane launches a rocket, the rocket is aimed at the target and shoots. With a laser.

              Eco has covered you

              Well, covered or failed ... the conclusion is secondary! And in the beginning was the Word! The "word" of a certain "engineer-scientist" reads: let's make such a special "Zur" where in the warhead there is: 1. laser "cannon" ("disposable" ...); 2. a pulsed "explosive" electric generator ... Moreover, the "Zur" can only be equipped with a starting rocket engine ... to move away from the launch site at a certain distance (well, for example, 2-3 km ...) for the safety of calculation and control ...
    2. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 13 New
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      Quote: cniza
      In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane.


      If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

      So New Year's miracles are coming. Can the New Year's "stork" bring something in the key?
      1. SRC P-15 28 December 2019 18: 23 New
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        In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane.

        I think everything is very simple: a plane arrived with Peresvet, connected to a power plant, shot a bit with a laser, and then flew to the following targets. yes (oh, I'd rather not think ... repeat) Happy New Year !!! drinks
        1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 41 New
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          So New Year's miracles are coming. Can the New Year's "stork" bring something in the key?


          Does he exist this stork? belay , only a miracle and hope.
        2. littoral 28 December 2019 18: 44 New
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          Quote: SRC P-15
          oh, I'd rather not think ...

          Yes.
          1. SRC P-15 28 December 2019 18: 49 New
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            Quote: littoral
            Yes.

            True, “yes” - with humor you do not seem to be all right. yes
            1. venik 28 December 2019 22: 27 New
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              Quote: SRC P-15
              with humor you do not seem to be all right.

              =======
              This is YES! Sometimes it (humor) is so "thin" - that is more like a "flat" (humor) !!! request
      2. Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 05: 20 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

        Back in the USSR, an MHD generator (20 tons) was developed on the basis of turbojet engines for powering laser "guns" placed on transport aircraft ...
    3. Terenin 28 December 2019 19: 29 New
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      Quote: cniza
      In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane.


      If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

      Victor hi
      I, not a specialist in military-industrial complex and armament, but about Peresvet, in an interview with Red Star, Deputy Minister Krivoruchko, literally, said: "We are also working to increase the capacity of the Peresvet complex. In the coming years, it is planned to place it on an aircraft carrier."
      I don’t know, “airplane and carrier” are one and the same request
      Link: http://redstar.ru/fundament-oboronosposobnosti-otechestva-nadyozhen/?attempt=2
      1. novel66 28 December 2019 21: 29 New
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        Gene, hi depending on which, on the IL-76. it can be real, and the entire volume of the aircraft can be taken up by a power plant
        1. Terenin 28 December 2019 22: 59 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          Gene, hi depending on which, on the IL-76. it can be real, and the entire volume of the aircraft can be taken up by a power plant

          Roma hi I'm on this topic (radar, capacitors ...), "like a ram to a new gate."
          1. novel66 29 December 2019 10: 06 New
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            it's simple - imagine a laser pointer - and multiply its power by the required number (it has milliwatts) somewhere by a billion (military - megawatts) and imagine a battery of this size
    4. Shuttle 28 December 2019 20: 09 New
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      Quote: cniza
      In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane.

      If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

      The energy in an airplane is a dime a dozen. It is only necessary to accumulate, and then instantly issue. Any graphene supercapacitors would do. In short, capacious and lightweight something that can be charged from a generator associated with the engine. Or even from the flow of hot gases of the engine.
      1. hrych 28 December 2019 22: 05 New
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        The problem is that the capacitors are discharged instantly, and it takes time to accumulate energy, the generator gives out a little per unit time. And one shot is good, but it does not justify itself, and only a nuclear power plant makes it possible to shoot after a short period of time. If Peresvet with such an installation, then the planes, ala IL-76, will completely pull this device, and in the future, the Tu-160. He has a maximum combat load of 45 tons, this is a T-72 tank with a reserve. And shoot like blasters in Star Wars is already a short-term prospect, well, it’s quite possible to place this on the satellite, though you need to mount it for docking because Proton can 24 tons into a low orbit, and a heavy Angara is almost the same. Although I would know the weight of Peresvet, maybe it fits ... the chassis and tractor are not needed ...
        1. Piramidon 29 December 2019 03: 41 New
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          Quote: hrych
          The problem is that the capacitors are discharged instantly, and it takes time to store energy

          And if you put several capacitors and charge-discharge alternately on one laser.
          1. hrych 29 December 2019 12: 51 New
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            Actually, this is not excluded.
    5. opus 28 December 2019 20: 12 New
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      Quote: cniza
      If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

      Quote: rocket757
      There is no talk about megawatts AT ALL!

      Quote: Thrifty
      It will be the first aircraft in the world with a compact nuclear reactor on board!

      Comrades, comrades, let us not be "la la"!
      1. Falcon Echelon, A-60 / 1LK222 laser Megawatt class, range of 1500 km

      In the bow, instead of the standard meteorological radar, a fairing is installed with special equipment (guidance laser).
      The top of the fuselage between the wing and the keel was cut out and replaced with huge flaps hiding the turret with the main laser.
      On the sides of the fuselage under the fairings were located turbogenerators of the power system for the operation of a special complex.
      Turbogenerators were installed on the sides of the bow, as on the Il-76PP.

      A-60SE - a new aircraft laboratory based on the IL-76MD-90A. The first flight of the aircraft laboratory performed 04.10.2016
      2. Chemical laser (forget about ecology)
      1. Vasya I. 28 December 2019 22: 36 New
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        Dear forum users! Here is an opus troll, which regularly spills spam from the Internet on all branches and cannot explain many technical things. An example is the topic of S. Linnik, Turkish air defense radar systems: will they ensure the safety of air borders? - there is illiteracy of the opus (Anton) and S. Linnik, unwillingness to answer S. Linnik to the question about the maximum range of the AN / TPY-2 radar, in view of illiteracy - "when they look at the book and see the fig", as well as trolling his wife zyablik .olga (Olga). Yesterday, they hooked up administrator Vadim Smirnov, who put spam and insult on me, completely closing their eyes to tons of illiterate spam opus (Anton) and the mat after his libations earlier, just removing and not punishing the mat ... double standarts. Do we really need such a VO when, for the sake of personal ambitions, we did not give a damn about the veracity of the information - and just the desire of some groups to play war games, spitting on the technical aspects of the weapons and equipment of Russia. You just can also recall the admin troll Chif, who regularly spat on VO JV Stalin, the achievements of the people of Russia and who was regularly seen in receiving rating points from VO admins. This is just a shame!
      2. Old Michael 29 December 2019 20: 47 New
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        Back in the USSR, an MHD generator was developed (20 t)

        And another year, so in 1984 in Izvestia (EMNIP), while the editor-in-chief was on vacation, an eccentric article came out titled “Exactly at 4.10.” The observed side effects of field trials have been described almost like an UFO attack.
        The showdown was at the level of the Military Industrial Commission and the Politburo.
    6. venik 28 December 2019 22: 24 New
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      Quote: cniza
      and where to get energy?

      =======
      Probably - SAME where and mobile land complexes take !!!
      Or do you think - they’re pumping from space ???
    7. maidan.izrailovich 29 December 2019 03: 20 New
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      If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

      What kind of intelligence are you working on? Or are you a local talker?

      A compact power supply is the main problem of combat lasers. If it is solved by our scientists, then it is hardly necessary to shout about it at all angles.
    8. Nikolaevich I 29 December 2019 03: 40 New
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      Quote: cniza
      where to get energy?

      More "in the days of the USSR," an MHD generator based on the turbojet engine was developed for powering laser weapons ... Dimensions and weight (20 tons) were quite acceptable for placement on a transport plane ... the generated power was enough for a laser "gun" with the required parameters !
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      Probably, for a start, they will try some kind of transporter of suitable carrying capacity.
  2. Blackmokona 28 December 2019 18: 07 New
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    While the US planned to put lasers on airplanes, this was contrary to the laws of physics according to numerous expert opinions. Listen to them now laughing
    1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 10 New
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      Same. Source of energy WHAT?
      1. Sandor Clegane 28 December 2019 18: 12 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Source of energy WHAT?

        alien belay
        1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 15 New
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          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          alien

          Suddenly a "wizard" will fly on a flying saucer and ... voila! The Christmas miracle overtook us!
          1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 42 New
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            Only not in blue, let a decent color choose. lol
            1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 48 New
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              Quote: cniza
              Only not in blue, let a decent color choose. lol

              In a song, a child’s, it was so ... the truth is a song from our “without rainbow” yesterday. They survived, they had to sing a children's song with fear.
              1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 51 New
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                Yeah, who would have thought how there, in childhood, everything was cloudless, and now there are solid tricks.
            2. maidan.izrailovich 29 December 2019 03: 26 New
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              Only not in blue, let a decent color choose.

              Especially on Airborne Day I do not recommend pronouncing this. bully
      2. Blackmokona 28 December 2019 18: 14 New
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        Turbojet aircraft engines, it is easy to remove electric current from them to power the laser.
        1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 18 New
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          Answer me a specialist in ENERGY, and what POWER can be "removed" from the turbine, has it not died out?
          1. Blackmokona 28 December 2019 18: 20 New
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            For example, GE dabbles
            The turbine of the world's largest turbofan aircraft engine, the GE90-115B, has become the “heart” of the latest LM9000 gas turbine unit (GTU). The aircraft “ancestor” of the machine develops a thrust of more than 58 tons and is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the most powerful aircraft engine. The power of the GTU LM9000 to match the record-breaking parent is 65 MW.

            In general, to power any existing and promising laser is more than enough.
            1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 30 New
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              And what will the aircraft FLY then?
              An airplane turbine is not a turbine that is used for power generation!
              Read whatever the relevant literature. And then the conversation is like a blind man with a deaf.
              1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 44 New
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                It seems to fly in a fair wind ...
                1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 52 New
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                  Quote: cniza
                  It seems to fly in a fair wind ...

                  I watched the cartoon "Treasure Planet" with children. Beautifully they fly in the cosmic \ solar wind !!!
                  Well, I say, New Year and then New Year miracles are waiting for us all!
                  1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 54 New
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                    Oh, I also dreamed of flying in the solar wind, maybe someday they will fly.
              2. Blackmokona 28 December 2019 20: 24 New
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                GE engineers do not think so
              3. ⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo 28 December 2019 21: 35 New
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                Quote: rocket757
                what will the plane fly then?

                On the remaining. Figures for one turbine are given.
          2. Piramidon 29 December 2019 03: 46 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            Answer me a specialist in ENERGY, and what POWER can be "removed" from the turbine, has it not died out?

            It is not necessary to remove from the main engines, you can put an additional one, only to provide the laser with energy.
        2. Avior 28 December 2019 18: 35 New
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          very hard
          the plane also has to fly.
          But the fact that a gas turbine from a power plant as part of it took a turbine from the world's most powerful aircraft engine with a fan diameter of 3,3 meters, what does it have to do with a combat aircraft?
          1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 56 New
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            Quote: Avior
            very hard
            the plane also has to fly.

            There are GENERATORS on airplanes, they are built-in as part of a turbine element !!! But there is a special design and power take-off of several hundred watts, not even kilowatts !!! There is no talk about megawatts AT ALL!
            1. Avior 28 December 2019 19: 39 New
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              you have put so many exclamation points in vain, I already know this very well.
              even a few kilowatts beyond those foreseen for full-time avionics like radar and other things, get a problem on the fighter, for EW Grolers, for example, they go for special tricks, and then they use a whole battle laser.
              1. rocket757 28 December 2019 19: 43 New
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                Sergei soldier I just wanted to confirm your words, for those who are especially literate, in whom
                Quote: BlackMokona
                It is easy to remove electric current to power the laser.

                straight from the turbine?
                1. Avior 28 December 2019 19: 57 New
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                  it’s generally a separate conversation yet where the electricity comes from smile
            2. Aibolit 28 December 2019 19: 49 New
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              You are raving. What watts?
              Norm 15 kVA

              The version TU -95 reb under 24 kVA
              Read at your leisure
              1. Avior 28 December 2019 20: 02 New
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                the overwhelming majority of the energy of onboard generators is designed to power the standard avionics of the aircraft, there are few reserves there.
                If we are talking about a sufficiently powerful laser, and not a laser pointer, it should have its own generator and drive for it.
                You can’t put a racing engine there for an obvious reason.
                1. opus 28 December 2019 20: 51 New
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                  Quote: Avior
                  he must have his own generator and drive for him.

                  i don't need a generator

                  GDL RD2 was created on CO0600 a long time ago, which has the only drawback that it weighs 750 kg and is 2 by 2 meters
                  http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=11&prod=62

                  A-60 / 78T6 / 1LK222


                  50 kW - MLTK-50 complex


                  The laser can work for 4-10 minutes with an interval between starts of about 20 minutes.
                  Pumping up to 8 kg / s of the gas mixture at a speed of about 50 m / s through the working chamber is carried out by a system based on a serial aircraft engine.
                  The pumping system and part of the auxiliary laser systems are located on the second semi-trailer.
                  The total weight of the equipment of the complex does not exceed 50 tons.

                  The transport base of the mobile laser complex is two serial automobile semi-trailers.
                  The layout of the equipment allows for container transportation by rail.
                  The water cooling system is autonomous.
                  For the operation of the installation, a power supply of about
                  750 kW.
              2. rocket757 28 December 2019 20: 05 New
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                Not my topic! I just read that an auxiliary turbine for power supply was installed on planes. The method of power removal from the main turbine is used and several more methods ...
                shorter FOR DIFFERENT.
                The question is, I consider the statement about the possibility of removing high power from a working turbine to power a powerful laser impossible ... I have not seen such a thing.
                Moreover, the conversation was about fighters, where very much you can’t install too much.
                On such a huge device as a strategic bomber, you can cram a lot more, in addition.
                1. opus 28 December 2019 21: 35 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  Moreover, the conversation was about fighters, where very much you can’t install too much.

                  NPP "Aerosila" simultaneously develops (conducts R&D), introduces into production and produces a whole gamut of APUs for various purposes and sizes. Creation of perspective and improvement of existing APU is carried out in accordance with a long-term program in three sizes: 100, 250 and 350 kW of equivalent power. Already in the new century, the enterprise created three sizes of APUs - TA14, certified at the beginning of the last decade, TA18-100 and TA18-200, as well as a number of modifications based on the APU that belong to these sizes. The production of APU is carried out at the production sites of NPP Aerosila, practically without any cooperation, L. Plakhov noted.

                  SU TA18-200M with a 90 kW generator has not yet been certified; it is undergoing flight tests as part of the first prototype Tu-204SM

                  ==========================
                  Threat. on the SU-35S installed APU TA14-130-35, which ensures the launch of mid-flight engines on the ground and in flight with the inclusion of an onboard hydraulic system from them, 200/115 V AC power supply up to 30 kVA on-board consumers, air conditioning of the avionics cabin and compartments until the main engines are operational;
                  in SU-35s there is room for several TA14-130-35, if necessary


                  TA14-130-031 - VGTD with an equivalent power of 105 kW provides the air start of mid-flight engines of aircraft, power supply of on-board consumers with alternating current of 200/115 V and power up to 40 kVA, as well as air supply to the cabin air conditioning system.

                  or in overhead containers
                  or cheeky cheeks, like IL-76PP
                  or a chemical generator (poisonous, of course), for pulsed operation
                  or VMG wink
                  Today, these explosive devices hold records in magnetic field strength - 28 MG, the value of the pulsed electric current - about 300 MA, which corresponds to an extremely high electromagnetic energy 2 / 8tr »3 MJ / cm ^ 3. Explosive magnetic generators are today the most powerful energy devices. Their capacity reaches about 100 GW.
            3. opus 28 December 2019 20: 54 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              and power take-off of several hundred watts,

              belay
              exactly "honeycomb" watts?
              CRJ-200 aircraft

              The entire aircraft power system is divided into 2 subsystems: a three-phase alternating current power supply system with a voltage of 115V and a frequency of 400Hz, and a 28V DC power supply system.
              The main sources of electricity for this system are 2 generators (IDG - integrated − drive generators), which are installed on the drive box of each engine and are driven in rotation from the shaft of the high pressure turbine.

              Each power is 30kVA. Since the speed of the jet engine is not constant, in order to get a stable frequency of 400 Hz at the output of the generator, it is necessary that the generator shaft rotates with a constant speed. For this, a mechanism is installed inside the generator that deals with this. On Soviet technology, it was called a constant speed drive, and here CSD is a constant speed drive. It converts a variable input speed to a constant 12 rpm output. In the photo above, the left side is CSD, and the right side is the generator itself.
              what are hundreds of watts?

              30kVA * 2 =
              Emergency the AC source is an ADG - air driven generator, a turbine that untwisted by a free stream of air.

              On one shaft with a turbine is a generator, which gives us 15kVA three-phase alternating current 115V 400Hz.
              1. Avior 28 December 2019 22: 19 New
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                all these are the power systems of the standard onboard systems
                In some aircraft, an auxiliary diesel generator can serve as an emergency source instead of a wind generator, but in any case, it is used to power regular aircraft systems
              2. Vadim237 28 December 2019 23: 11 New
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                I believe that now it’s possible to shove a 100 megawatt solid-state, gas, and chemical laser into an average transport aircraft using blocks with new superionists; one shot one superionist.
            4. Tersky 28 December 2019 21: 30 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              ! But there is a special design and power take-off of several hundred watts, not even kilowatts !!!

              Currently, current power of 28 volts, single-phase or three-phase alternating current with a neutral current of 200/115 volts, 400 Hz, three-phase alternating current without neutral current of 36 volts, 400 hertz, is used to supply onboard equipment and aircraft systems. The total power of the generators on board can be from 20 кВт for small planes or helicopters to 600 and more kW for heavy aircraft.
              Something like this in fact ....
            5. ⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo 28 December 2019 21: 41 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              There are GENERATORS on airplanes, they are built-in as part of a turbine element !!! But there is a special design and power take-off of several hundred watts, not even kilowatts !!! There is no talk about megawatts AT ALL
              No one doubted it. As well as the fact that the selected power is limited by the needs of the board.
              You have been given the example that when you switch one of the turbines to generate energy, it will completely give what you need. In this way, to construct a board, which inside will have a "small power station", does not seem like a weird task.
            6. Piramidon 29 December 2019 03: 49 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              There are GENERATORS on airplanes, they are built-in as part of a turbine element !!!

              What is this element of the turbine when the generator is installed on the outside of the engine, and the turbine is inside.
        3. venik 28 December 2019 23: 04 New
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          Quote: BlackMokona
          Turbojet aircraft engines, it is easy to remove electric current from them to power the laser.

          =========
          Not only......
          Take a look at the photograph (product "42", it is also ANT-42, it is TB-7 and Pe-8) and say: HOW many engines does it have ????

          I'm not drunk and not "crazy"! We see - 4 engines, and in the first series there were 5 of them (FIVE!) ..... the fifth engine called central pressurization unit ACN-1, located inside the fuselage and powered an air compressor, which forced air into the engines of the marching group. Thus, the problem of increasing the altitude of the aircraft was solved. This was a necessary measure, since there were no engines with built-in turbochargers. At ACN-1, the AM-34FRN motor was used. Subsequently, the ACN-2 unit was developed, on which the M-103A motor was installed.
          And now - QUESTION: And what, on the IL-76 (for example, the Il-76MD-90A) inside the fuselage, well, in NO way can a turbogenerator of quite decent power be placed?
      3. Thrifty 28 December 2019 18: 22 New
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        It will be the first aircraft in the world with a compact nuclear reactor on board! wassat
        1. Blackmokona 28 December 2019 18: 23 New
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          The USSR and the USA have already launched planes with an atomic reactor on board, see atomic planes.
          1. Thrifty 28 December 2019 18: 31 New
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            BlackMicola - I wrote a COMPACT Nuclear Rector! ! Reactor-sized passenger car engine with protection! !! lol
            1. Mar.Tirah 28 December 2019 19: 39 New
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              Quote: Thrifty
              BlackMicola - I wrote a COMPACT Nuclear Rector! ! Reactor-sized passenger car engine with protection! !!

              We had such. We did not find suitable technological solutions. In particular, protecting people from AI took a very thick and heavy one.
              A laser installation needs a lot of energy. Most likely something was invented in our century? .
              1. rocket757 28 December 2019 19: 51 New
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                Quote: Mar. Tira
                A laser installation needs a lot of energy. Most likely something was invented in our century? .

                The only thing that you can at least understand / accept is to take energy from a special on-board generator (it is possible from the turbine) and fill it with a STORAGE (there are some). They are safe! The dimensions are decent, but NO PROTECTION IS NEEDED! Those. the entire occupied volume will be used for accumulation.
                And then receive from him a short-term, powerful impulse. Those. the laser will be able to operate in a pulsed mode But the time between pulses will depend on the power taken from the energy source.
                Those. too complicated, but SAFE!
                1. Avior 28 December 2019 20: 04 New
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                  but in this case the problem would be to connect an additional generator mechanically to the turbine.
                  Rather, put the impeller on the generator and will work from the air stream.
                  1. rocket757 28 December 2019 20: 36 New
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                    For a pulsed mode, with a drive, an instantaneous high power generator is not required. In short, a “windmill” will do ... but then a very large drive is needed, the time between pulses will increase, and the laser will be so-so, by the ability to destroy something there!
                    And anyway, it’s more likely for such an object as a large bomber, which means protective functions, nothing more .....
                    All the same, it’s not very practical and effective. In short, it’s not beating for me yet.
                    1. Avior 28 December 2019 21: 07 New
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                      the speed of the aircraft is so high that the windmill is quite effective even with a small screw diameter
                      see how they look on ALQ-99 EW containers on the Boeing EA-18G Growler

                      Although the capacities there are relatively small, you can’t simply connect the generator to the engine, there’s no extra space on the plane, either they put the extra engine in the fuselage and they rotate the generator from it; this is not about fighter jets, there’s not enough space
                2. Mar.Tirah 29 December 2019 08: 19 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  Those. the laser will be able to operate in a pulsed mode

                  It’s a pity, of course, that now I can’t get in touch with a person who worked with combat lasers, too many years have passed, but my laser needs a constant powerful power source, otherwise there will not be enough power for the pulse? will have a decent weight?
                  1. rocket757 29 December 2019 08: 46 New
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                    Quote: Mar. Tira
                    A small-capacity capacitor on the plane can’t cope, and a large one will again have a decent weight

                    I also saw a lot, a long time ago, a long time ago. Now clearly not in the subject. But I can say for the "capacitors" drives, this is closer to the body.
                    Now the technology is such that much of what was then no longer looks like modern! The drive of the appropriate capacity, which was then with a fist, or even more, is now the size of a marigold!
                    Yes, and much more has changed. Our past knowledge is out of date! To understand what is happening now, we need to study, study and dive deep into the topic.
                    Therefore, I do not argue with those who are closer to the topic now.
          2. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 34 New
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            As launched, and lowered. They also designed the atomic tank, and where is it?
            A complex, dangerous process. Very OVER! Therefore, everyone does not fly on atomic planes and does not drive atomic cars. On ships, this is welcome, MUCH PLACES AND WEIGHT IS NOT SO LIMITED.
            1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 46 New
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              Or maybe we don’t know something? may have created a compact case-sized reactor.
              1. Thrifty 28 December 2019 18: 55 New
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                Then, most likely, a radioisotope source for the laser, but the laser will obviously not Peresvet, but much smaller and weaker than it. And such a laser can be placed on the "Ruslan" ...
              2. rocket757 28 December 2019 19: 19 New
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                Quote: cniza
                Or maybe we don’t know something? may have created a compact case-sized reactor.

                You can MIX the vigorous reaction in a GLASS !!! But then you have to run faster than your own screech !!!
                A nuclear power plant, the smallest sales, is the size of the entire compartment of a submarine, and that is because cooling is simpler! Warmth ABOARD !!! because boats are looking for HEAT TRACK!
                And that COOLING COOLER !!! All of them probably saw them, the structures of the hooh are so huge! Without them, NO !!!
                I’m not talking about the steam turbine itself and the electric generator, it depends on power .... well, there is also A WHOLE LOT OF COMPLEXES of a technical, protective plan.
                In short, NO COMPACT NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS !!! but there are warheads.
      4. Svetlana 28 December 2019 18: 44 New
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        About thirty years ago, the so-called chemical lasers when the laser is powered by the energy of a chemical reaction.
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          Quote: Svetlana
          About thirty years ago, the so-called chemical lasers when the laser is powered by the energy of a chemical reaction.

          Another engineer hyperboloid Garin recall! Also, the innovative project was ... HA, HA.
          THERE IS NO such protection that will save a nuclear reactor during an airplane CRASH !!! ALL POINT am
      5. AlexG83 28 December 2019 19: 20 New
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        Same. Source of energy WHAT?

        At the "Relight" YaSU installed? Well, that’s the answer.
        Subtract the landing gear and the hull, it is quite possible to fit the entire system into an airplane.
        There is no fantasy here, if you really need it, they will do it.
        1. rocket757 28 December 2019 19: 25 New
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          Quote: AlexG83
          There is no fantasy here, if you really need it, they will do it.

          Planes with YASU DO NOT FLY and WILL NOT FLY! for now, at least. explanation below in comments.
      6. opus 28 December 2019 20: 20 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Source of energy WHAT?

        "Chemistry"

        continue?
        Threat. although I do not digest Krivoruchko, there will be no sense
        "Lada does not go, Kalash jammed, steers everywhere Chemezova tribe"
      7. bayard 28 December 2019 21: 18 New
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        Source of energy WHAT?

        On an airplane, there can only be one - gas turbines (turbo-generators). On the IL-76 back in the Soviet Union, a laser installation was installed for missile defense, tested (now in a museum). Later, Americans suffered the same with the Boeing 747.
        Apparently something similar was conceived again.
        In the end, the same “Relight” to place in the new IL-76 is quite possible.
        ... to know how effective it really is ...
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        Quote: rocket757
        Source of energy WHAT?

        For example, an MHD generator ...
    2. knn54 28 December 2019 18: 48 New
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      Back in the Soviet era, lasers tested the A-50 IL project. If the Tomogavku burn optics, a self-destruction command is coming. At least the old version.
      Now they are testing (if I'm not mistaken) the A-60 project.
  3. Nikolay87 28 December 2019 18: 24 New
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    That's funny. What is the source of energy? - finger battery. Laser pointer no longer required laughing
    1. rocket757 28 December 2019 18: 35 New
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      Precisely, precisely, a plutonium battery ... like in an advertisement.
      1. cniza 28 December 2019 18: 47 New
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        This is when the hare overtakes everyone, here we are jiving, and suddenly ...
  4. Mountain shooter 28 December 2019 18: 26 New
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    A powerful laser that can shoot down an enemy aircraft can hardly be placed on an airplane ... but a laser capable of burning a GOS, an optoelectronic detection system on an airplane, is it possible to damage an organism of an enemy airplane or a rocket attacking an aircraft .. .
    1. bayard 28 December 2019 21: 37 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A powerful laser that is capable of shooting down an enemy aircraft - can hardly be placed on a plane

      Here recently, a Turkish laser on an armored car chassis shot down a heavy Chinese-made UAV in Libya (two piercing in the hull). Actually, the aircraft is not so much necessary, at modern speeds, it will further collapse from air pressure. Especially a cruise missile.
      In addition, judging by the personnel provided for Peresvet, all of its hardware and generating units in the same IL-76 will fit perfectly.
      Why use them?
      It is possible against cruise missiles will be very effective. Or maybe against ballistic missile ballistic missiles, as before, they wanted to realize in the Beriev Design Bureau on the A-60. Perhaps there will be a new approach to the topic.
  5. Thrifty 28 December 2019 18: 28 New
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    Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! Which plane is it possible to install the entire Peresvet complex ??? And it's not just a source of energy! How are they going to place this complex in a transport plane, because Peresvet will not fit corny on any other plane!
    1. rocket757 28 December 2019 19: 06 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense!

      This shows the quality of our efficient managers, who are ALL PFs, if they jump from anywhere, into another grain backyard on their "golden parachutes!"
      None RESPONSIBLE SCIENTIST, MAN, will not carry such a crap .... however, maybe this "duck" is specially launched, for the holiday?
    2. AlexG83 28 December 2019 19: 26 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! Which plane is it possible to install the entire Peresvet complex ??? And it's not just a source of energy! How are they going to place this complex in a transport plane, because Peresvet will not fit corny on any other plane!

      Do you think that he will be shoved there right along with the wheeled chassis? On the plane, you can only place the laser itself and the energy source.
      1. rocket757 28 December 2019 20: 40 New
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        In short, we get it .... everything is approximately, like that, maybe other things are different.
        Boom to wait, time will put all the dots on Yo
    3. opus 28 December 2019 20: 33 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! Which plane can the entire Peresvet complex be installed on ???

      belay
      Unified State Exam passed?
      RA-86879
      Beriev A-60 cn 0013430893



      Quote: Thrifty
      for "Peresvet" will not fit corny on any other plane!

      Yes okay?
      A-60 is an aircraft carrier version megawatt laser1LK222 laser range of action 1500km
      "Relight" is resting.
      Laser weapon carrier on the basis of the Il-76PP aircraft (PP - jammer)
      On the sides of the fuselage under the fairings were located turbogenerators of the power system for the operation of a special complex.
      The aircraft was equipped with a complex of electronic equipment Lily of the valley. To power it, turbo generators were installed on the sides of the bow, which were covered with huge fairings - neither to give nor take a hamster, which was full of cheek bags. Each turbo-generator was an AI-24VT TVD of 2820 electric power, driving 4 alternating current generators. There were large air intakes in the nose of the fairings, and tailpipes protruded outward in the rear. Due to the installation of turbo-generators, the full-time APU had to be moved to the rear of the left fairing of the landing gear and equipped with an elephant ear protruding from above on the top of the A-50 type of early warning radar detection aircraft (AWAC)


      The air-based complex to combat automatic drifting balloons-theme 78T6 "Drift" (development started in 1975).
      Head developer of the laser system megawatt class was NPO Astrophysics.
      PS / and, Schaub exams were easier to pass

      100 kW = total 750 kg Karl!
      power source: chemistry, look
    4. bayard 28 December 2019 21: 44 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! Which plane can the entire Peresvet complex be installed on ???

      We look at the creation of KB Beriev A-60, estimates the dimensions of the Peresvet equipment to the carrying capacity of IL-76ML-90A (476). Everything should fit.
      And rising above the clouds, into the stratosphere, such a laser will certainly be much more effective than its ground version.
      This is if we are talking about air defense / missile defense.
  6. reader65 28 December 2019 18: 31 New
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    Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, a Ukrainian with a speaking surname Krivoruchko reported on the spent 1.5 lard rubles. Well, isn't it funny? Laser on a plane ... damn it. Where Poseidon and the petrel would like to ask him. Ah ... These topics were covered with the lives of real people who died on the losharik and in Nenoks.
    1. bayard 28 December 2019 22: 05 New
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      In Nenox, a completely different weapon system was tested. Not the "Petrel".
      And the story with “Losharik” has nothing to do with “Poseidon”.
      Do not pile your inflamed fantasies.
      What made you so excited?
      1,5 tril. rub. ?
      So this is less than 25 billion dollars. U.S.
      Is it really a lot for the annual expenditures on the purchase of arms of a country like Russia ?!
      It is not enough !
      And if with such a budget for the purchase, the Russian Army manages to be the second military force in the world, then you need to bow at the feet of everyone involved in the military-industrial complex, who for such money provides the country with such weapons.
      What annoys you so much?
      The lack of "Poseidon" in service? So its carriers are just being completed and are being tested.
      "Vanguard" is already on alert.
      "Dagger" deployed and is in military operation.
      Zircon is completing state tests and should be adopted next year.
      "Relight" is already in the army. Deployed. On duty .

      So what bothers you?
      "Relight" on the plane?
      So look at the development of KB Beriev A-60. It seemed to be fantasy too, but it still worked under the Union. Apparently this topic will be revived.
      In the Soviet Union, such a thing (a powerful laser system) also stood on an experimental ship.
      But of course, using a laser from an airplane is much more convenient and efficient - at altitude both density and air humidity are much lower than on earth, and clouds / fog - everything remains below. For missile defense a very good solution.
      AND NOT NEW.
  7. OlezhkaKravchenko 28 December 2019 18: 47 New
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    After such news, it seems to me that the United States is at least 50 years behind us
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      They would MIG 31 to catch up at least.
  8. Odysseus 28 December 2019 18: 49 New
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    Capitalism in all its glory. 1,5 trillion rubles spent. There were no new weapons, either. Well, with the exception of UR-100N UTTH of the Brezhnev era, re-assigned to armament in a new way. Or MiG-31 of the same time.
    However, under NG, you need to be optimistic. From the really positive news, the supply of 30 new tanks to the army. Yes, this is another reincarnation of the T-72, but this is only 30 tanks. But these are the first new production tanks in our army since 2011. The Air Force received a plus of a substantial 10 Su-35s. And the S-400 is proceeding as planned. Of course, the first Su-57 and the second Ash-tree were expected, well, it hasn’t worked out here yet.
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        1. sergo1914 28 December 2019 21: 09 New
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          Quote: Odyssey
          Well, that's what I say, capitalism. The main thing is profit, and in your pocket.


          That is why you are erecting a slap on our beloved leader now? Are you Navalny? “Not good, Shurik.” My favorite movie. That is why before people died for the country and now the country for people?
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            That’s why you are erecting a slap on our beloved leader now?

            This is not a leader. But in the socio-economic system. But Yeltsin, Putin or Navalny are important, but the details. Those who want to leave the capitalist system are paying attention to the leader’s qualities. They’ll throw off, we’ll throw off Yeltsin or Putin or anyone else on the list and we’ll live.
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            2. sergo1914 28 December 2019 22: 18 New
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              Quote: Odyssey
              Yeltsin, Putin or Navalny e

    2. bayard 28 December 2019 22: 29 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      From the really positive news, the delivery of 30 new tanks to the army. Yes, this is another reincarnation of the T-72, but this is only 30 tanks. But these are the first tanks of new production in our army since 2011.

      Where is this from you?
      Only 30 tanks?
      TOTAL ?
      And are they all T-72?
      ... But what about the delivered T-80BVM battalion set?
      A T-90M resumed in production?
      And the first batch of "Armat"?
      Quote: Odyssey
      UR-100N UTTH of the Brezhnev era

      Not Brezhnev’s, these missiles were produced in the late 80s. And lay in the warehouses. And now they are modernized, received new combat equipment. Or “Vanguard” Do you also think “from the Brezhnev era”?
      Or "Yars" in the arsenal of planned do not continue to arrive?
      Maces?
      Quote: Odyssey
      Or Mig-31 of the same times

      To date, at least 30 MiG-31s ​​have been converted into Dagger carriers and are on combat duty. Or remind you of the age of the B-52? Or about B-1B? Or about the age of the F-15 and F-16 in service with the US Army? So our MiG-31 will be fresh - the resource has not been killed by operation, but it will serve for a long time after storage. Especially as a carrier of shock hypersonic weapons.
      Quote: Odyssey
      Plus from a substantial 10 Su-35 received the Air Force.

      Did you count the Su-30SM?
      Su-34?
      And the rearmament of the existing regiments is already ending.
      We and the pilots do not have to form new ones.
      In the current regiments, there is a shortage of pilots and aircraft, rather than aircraft.
      Quote: Odyssey
      Capitalism in all its glory. 1,5 trillion rubles spent

      This is less than 25 billion dollars.
      A lot of ?
      FEW !
      You calculate how much other countries could buy for that amount.
      Any.
      Now look at how much and what the Russian Army received.
      For me, it’s very prudent.
      1. Odysseus 29 December 2019 00: 19 New
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        You have reported something. I’m just writing that under capitalism, and for the Russian Federation this is normal Or, as you put it, eloquently. So you are breaking through the open door. I completely agree with you.
        As for the rest, I am surprised at your questions.
        1) It is 30 new tanks. This is the T-90M. That is, the first million modernization of the T-72. And 30 new tanks is good. Since 2011, this has not happened. Nobody produced the T-80. They took old tanks. There are no armatures in parts.
        2) UR-100N UTTH was finished in 1985. Missiles are what Brezhnev’s are. We used to stand in Khmelnitsky. "Vanguard" is not a rocket at all. This is the UR-100N UTTH, but with a new head. Nobody knows anything about the head. In fact, they just took an old rocket and refueled it.
        3) I wrote about Poplars (what you call Yars). So that production in the current conditions is still a big achievement.
        4) About airplanes, I wrote from the essentials. The Su-35 is the best modernization of the Su-27, indeed, relevant. However, I agree that the Su 27 IS (that is, the Su-34) is also needed. It’s not a century to torment the Su-24. So I write with pleasure that so far 6 boards have been handed over, we are waiting for another 4 under the Christmas tree.
        5) About the fact that they are completing the rearmament, he smiled. We have a lot of tanks. We even ship to Syria and Donbass from warehouses. And if you reduce the army by another 3 times, you can do an excellent business altogether. You still have to sell a lot of things. Just now they think what to do with the Novosibirsk plant. We have a lot of airplanes. There are 4 incomplete regiments on Su -27IB smile
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          Quote: Odyssey
          Just now they think what to do with the Novosibirsk plant. We have so many planes. Already 4 incomplete regiments on the Su-27IB

          Yes, it seems like they have come to their senses, they will continue to produce Su-34 - Algeria 14 pcs. They signed a contract for themselves, but in a modernized form - unification with the Su-35 on avionics and engines. But the nerves of course people patted with the impending closure of production.
          T-90 can be called a modernization of the T-72 only conditionally. Chassis - yes. The tower is new, welded, nut-like, the gun is new, the FCS even in the first version was from the latest T-80 modification. It turned out reliably, angrily and not very expensive. And was it worth it to pursue the perfect novelty? T-72 proved itself to be the most reliable, protected and cheap among the three classmates (T-64, T-72, T-80). Although the chassis was the best at the T-80.
          The fact that the T-80 was dragged from storage to modernization is a great idea, because the tank is wonderful, there are many of them and the resource has not been used up. After the upgrade, just the little frog comes out. Not so much wealth, let it serve.
          About the "Vanguard" ... if you adopted it, put it on the database, then it’s combat ready and meets the requirements. This topic was dragged from the Soviet times, so it was brought.
          About Yars, he is of course a descendant of Poplar, but the starting mass is different - more, and the presence of a breeding stage. This is an evolution of engineering, but not "Poplar".
          In the end, the same “Sarmat” is a descendant of the magnificent R-36M2, the rehash with new combat equipment. There, even the engine is the same. And this is good, because the coefficient of novelty should not exceed critical values.
          With such a budget for purchases - in incomplete 25 billion dollars. you don’t especially take a walk, but look how many programs pull on them ... you will be surprised ...
    3. Vadim237 28 December 2019 23: 19 New
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      You forgot about new ones: communication equipment, equipment, electronic warfare systems, new sights, thermal imagers and night-vision devices, engineering vehicles, robotic systems, military command and control vehicles, UAVs and much more. So at the expense of "The new weapon, as it was not, is not." - You are raving.
  9. Livonetc 28 December 2019 19: 14 New
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    Friend.
    And where is such surprise and skepticism?
    In this case, let's say that installing Peresvet is fantastic.
    Nowhere was it said that the new installation would be installed on a fighter or similar in size device.
    Perhaps the first versions of laser weapons will be used on aircraft of dimensions IL86.
    1. sergo1914 28 December 2019 21: 35 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      In this case, let's say that installing Peresvet is fantastic.


      Man, this can go so far that you don’t like Putin. It is fraught.
    2. bayard 28 December 2019 22: 34 New
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      Rather, the IL-76.
      Most likely, this is the reincarnation of the theme of KB Beriev A-60. Such an installation was in metal, flew, tested. Now stands in a museum. You can see.
      1. Pavel57 29 December 2019 09: 58 New
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        Not in the museum. In Chkalovsky. Enemies burned one side.
  10. evgen1221 28 December 2019 20: 07 New
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    They put Kamaz with overexposure into silt and Lazar into the fairing and fly and shine.
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    Will have to put on the IL-76 5 turbojet engine specifically for the promotion of the generator.
  12. sergo1914 28 December 2019 21: 05 New
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    Is Krivoruchko a life credo or a surname?
  13. Klingon 28 December 2019 21: 19 New
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    Quote: Shuttle
    Quote: cniza
    In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane.

    If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

    The energy in an airplane is a dime a dozen. It is only necessary to accumulate, and then instantly issue. Any graphene supercapacitors would do. In short, capacious and lightweight something that can be charged from a generator associated with the engine. Or even from the flow of hot gases of the engine.

    Stripes with their Boeing YAL-1 did not have a TK rolling their chemical laser (oxygen-iodine) and very bulky, I think it has 5 shots, then the canisters empty and the laser becomes useless until the chemicals are replenished. Peresvet, as I understand it on a vigorous pumping ... in which plane are they going to shove it? or is it about continuation of the project Beriev A-60 most likely
  14. Operator 28 December 2019 22: 43 New
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    "Relight" on an aircraft carrier - which I vanganized about (all-weather, range and a simple laser cooling scheme).

    All coming drinks
  15. Woland 28 December 2019 23: 02 New
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    The question remains: WHAT can he?
    1. Vadim237 28 December 2019 23: 24 New
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      It will definitely be able to destroy missiles, planes and UAVs, and maybe even BRRS launching at our borders.
  16. yfast 29 December 2019 00: 46 New
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    Why a laser? You just need to do a combat teleport, then no one will want to fight with the MO. And it will be a weapon on the new physical somehow there.
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    A year ago, the Dagger was already flying on 10 Machs, then the Vanguard on 22 Machs, and now the Deputy Minister plans to increase the speed of missiles to 10 Machs next year. Do not lower, mind you.
    It seems that either the press service of the Moscow Region does not catch mice, or the tops from the defense don’t give a damn what they broadcast to the outside world. This is sad.
    Although, maybe he was going to disperse Poseidon?
  18. Zaurbek 29 December 2019 09: 13 New
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    What size airplanes can Peresvet put on ?!
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      IL-76. You don’t even have to invent anything, the platform has already been created in the USSR. It was called the A-60.
  19. Lone gunman 29 December 2019 13: 12 New
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    Well, it's okay ... the walking one will master the road ... an explosion - a magnetic coil - pure energy - then, even into a cannon, even into a "laser", even into an artificial sun.
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    Well, if a small nuclear reactor is created, then the laser will be.