Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on spending for 2019 and announced the appearance of a combat laser on airplanes

In 2019, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation spent more than 1,5 trillion rubles on the purchase of weapons and measures to ensure the state defense order. Part of the funds went for the purchase for the needs of the Armed Forces of the Peresvet combat laser systems, the arming of the Dagger hypersonic systems and other latest weapons.

This statement was made by Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Alexei Krivoruchko in an interview with the newspaper "A red star". More than 68 percent of this amount went to complete serial purchases of high-tech weapons and equipment. This allowed the department not to slow down the pace of equipping the Russian army with modern military equipment.

Speaking about plans for the next year, the Deputy Minister of Defense named as one of the most important tasks the increase in the speed of the domestic hypersonic weapons. Alexey Krivoruchko said that the developers of the weapons plan to bring the flight speed of Russian missiles to 10 Machs. Their activities are aimed at improving the tactical and technical characteristics of new types of weapons, as well as expanding the scope of their application. Work on the development and improvement of hypersonic weapons is underway for their use from air, sea and land based.

The representative of the Russian military department noted that in the worsening military-political situation in the world, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should not only provide strategic deterrence, but also quickly and effectively respond to all existing and predicted threats.

In addition, the official of the Ministry of Defense touched upon the development of combat laser weapons. As you know, not so long ago, the Peresvet ground complexes entered service with the RF Armed Forces. Alexey Krivoruchko noted that future plans include the deployment of a combat laser complex on the means aviation. In particular, it was about placing Peresvet on an airplane. However, he did not name a specific model of the aircraft on which the combat laser is planned to be installed.

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[cniza]

In particular, they talked about the placement of "Peresvet" on the plane.

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Once, flying on airplanes was fantastic, now it is a common thing.

[cniza]

Well, yes, the dynamo was invented even earlier ...

[Shurik70]

Quote: cniza

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

After all, there is no need to constantly have a nuclear reactor as a source.
It is enough to have a source with great power, which will work for a split second. That’s enough.

Most likely, they will follow the same path as the small-caliber EM guns.
While in the USA they were making a monster that should power a nuclear reactor, in Russia they made a "shot" - an EM cannon inside a shell. The detonation of the explosive works like a powerful electric generator, the windings of the gun work at exorbitant loads and evaporate almost instantly, but they manage to release a bullet weighing several grams. The bullet takes off at a speed of 3-5 km / s. The "shot" itself has dimensions approximately equal to that of a hand grenade launcher.

I suppose something similar can be arranged for a laser.
That is, it will have dimensions like a three-inch projectile. Each shot is one-shot. It is clear that an airplane will not carry many shots, but it can be "attached" to any airplane or even a drone. But most likely they will, like the EM cannon, be placed on a rocket. The aircraft fires a rocket, the rocket aims and fires. Laser. Without entering the air defense zone.

Well, the laser that does not damage the target, but simply destroys the enemy’s optics, is enough for generators working from the airplane’s engine. There are no large capacities needed.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Shurik70

The plane launches a rocket, the rocket is aimed at the target and shoots. With a laser.

Eco has covered you

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: kventinasd

The plane launches a rocket, the rocket is aimed at the target and shoots. With a laser.

Eco has covered you

Well, it covered or filled up ... the conclusion is secondary! And in the beginning was the Word! "The word" of a certain "engineer-scientist" says: let's make such a special "zur", where the warhead is located: 1. laser "cannon" ("disposable" ...); 2. pulsed "explosive" electric generator ... Moreover, the "zur" can only be equipped with a starting rocket engine ... to move away from the launch site at a certain distance (well, for example, 2-3 km ...) for the safety of calculation and launcher ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

In particular, they talked about the placement of "Peresvet" on the plane.

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

So New Year's miracles are coming. Can the New Year's "stork" bring something in the key?

[SRC P-15]

In particular, they talked about the placement of "Peresvet" on the plane.

I think everything is very simple: an airplane with "Peresvet" flew in, connected to the power plant, fired a little laser and then flew to the following targets. (oh, I'd rather not think ... ) Happy New Year !!!

[cniza]

So New Year's miracles are coming. Can the New Year's "stork" bring something in the key?

Does he exist this stork? , only a miracle and hope.

[littoral]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

oh, I'd rather not think ...

Yes.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: littoral

Yes.

Right, "yes" - with humor you seem to be not all right.

[venik]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

with humor you do not seem to be all right.

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This is YES! Sometimes it (humor) is so "thin" - that it looks more like "flat" (humor) !!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: rocket757

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

Back in the USSR, an MHD generator (20 tons) was developed on the basis of a turbojet engine for powering laser "guns" placed on transport aircraft ...

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

In particular, they talked about the placement of "Peresvet" on the plane.

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

Victor
I, not a specialist in military-industrial complex and weapons, but specifically about "Peresvet", in an interview with "Krasnaya Zvezda" Deputy Minister Krivoruchko, literally, said: "We are also working to increase the capacity of the Peresvet complex. In the coming years, it is planned to be placed on an aircraft carrier."
I don't know, "plane and carrier" are one and the same
Link: http://redstar.ru/fundament-oboronosposobnosti-otechestva-nadyozhen/?attempt=2

[novel66]

Gene, depending on which, on the IL-76. it can be real, and the entire volume of the aircraft can be taken up by a power plant

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

Gene, depending on which, on the IL-76. it can be real, and the entire volume of the aircraft can be taken up by a power plant

Roma I'm on this topic (radar, capacitors ...), "like a ram on a new gate."

[novel66]

it's simple - imagine a laser pointer - and multiply its power by the required number (it has milliwatts) somewhere by a billion (military - megawatts) and imagine a battery of this size

[Shuttle]

Quote: cniza

In particular, they talked about the placement of "Peresvet" on the plane.

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

The energy in an airplane is a dime a dozen. It is only necessary to accumulate, and then instantly issue. Any graphene supercapacitors would do. In short, capacious and lightweight something that can be charged from a generator associated with the engine. Or even from the flow of hot gases of the engine.

[hrych]

The problem is that the capacitors are discharged instantly, and it takes time to accumulate energy, the generator gives out a little per unit time. And one shot is good, but it does not justify itself, and only a nuclear power plant makes it possible to shoot after a short period of time. If Peresvet with such an installation, then the planes, ala IL-76, will completely pull this device, and in the future, the Tu-160. He has a maximum combat load of 45 tons, this is a T-72 tank with a reserve. And shoot like blasters in Star Wars is already a short-term prospect, well, it’s quite possible to place this on the satellite, though you need to mount it for docking because Proton can 24 tons into a low orbit, and a heavy Angara is almost the same. Although I would know the weight of Peresvet, maybe it fits ... the chassis and tractor are not needed ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: hrych

The problem is that the capacitors are discharged instantly, and it takes time to store energy

And if you put several capacitors and charge-discharge alternately on one laser.

[hrych]

Actually, this is not excluded.

[opus]

Quote: cniza

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

Quote: rocket757

There is no talk about megawatts AT ALL!

Quote: Thrifty

It will be the first aircraft in the world with a compact nuclear reactor on board!

Comrades, comrades, let's not "la-la"!
1. Falcon Echelon, A-60 / 1LK222 laser Megawatt class, range of 1500 km

In the bow, instead of the standard meteorological radar, a fairing is installed with special equipment (guidance laser).
The top of the fuselage between the wing and the keel was cut out and replaced with huge flaps hiding the turret with the main laser.
On the sides of the fuselage under the fairings were located turbogenerators of the power system for the operation of a special complex.
Turbogenerators were installed on the sides of the bow, as on the Il-76PP.

A-60SE - a new aircraft laboratory based on the IL-76MD-90A. The first flight of the aircraft laboratory performed 04.10.2016
2. Chemical laser (forget about ecology)

[Vasya I.]

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[Old Michael]

Back in the USSR, an MHD generator was developed (20 t)

And even in 1984, Izvestia (EMNIP), while the editor-in-chief was on vacation, published an eccentric article entitled "Exactly at 4.10". The observed side effects of field trials have been described almost like a UFO attack.
The showdown was at the level of the Military Industrial Commission and the Politburo.

[venik]

Quote: cniza

and where to get energy?

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Probably - SAME where and mobile land complexes take !!!
Or do you think - "they are pumping from space" ???

[maidan.izrailovich]

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

What kind of intelligence are you working on? Or are you a local talker?

A compact power supply is the main problem of combat lasers. If it is solved by our scientists, then it is hardly necessary to shout about it at all angles.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: cniza

where to get energy?

Even "in the days of the USSR" an MHD generator based on a turbojet engine was developed to power laser weapons ... The dimensions and weight (20 tons) were quite acceptable for placement on a transport aircraft ... the generated power was sufficient for a laser "gun" with the required parameters !

[Chaldon48]

Probably, for a start, they will try some kind of transporter of suitable carrying capacity.

[Blackmokona]

While the US planned to put lasers on airplanes, this was contrary to the laws of physics according to numerous expert opinions. Listen to them now

[rocket757]

Same. Source of energy WHAT?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: rocket757

Source of energy WHAT?

alien

[rocket757]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

alien

Suddenly a "magician" will arrive on a flying saucer and ... voila! New Year's miracle has overtaken us!

[cniza]

Only not in blue, let a decent color choose.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

Only not in blue, let a decent color choose.

In a children's song, it was like that ... really a song from our "no rainbow" yesterday. Now we have lived, a children's song and that one has to be sung with fear.

[cniza]

Yeah, who would have thought how there, in childhood, everything was cloudless, and now there are solid tricks.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Only not in blue, let a decent color choose.

Especially on Airborne Day I do not recommend pronouncing this.

[Blackmokona]

Turbojet aircraft engines, it is easy to remove electric current from them to power the laser.

[rocket757]

Tell me a specialist in ENERGY, and what POWER can be "removed" from the turbine, Schaub it has not stalled?

[Blackmokona]

For example, GE dabbles

The turbine of the world's largest turbofan aircraft engine, the GE90-115B, has become the “heart” of the latest LM9000 gas turbine unit (GTU). The aircraft “ancestor” of the machine develops a thrust of more than 58 tons and is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the most powerful aircraft engine. The power of the GTU LM9000 to match the record-breaking parent is 65 MW.

In general, to power any existing and promising laser is more than enough.

[rocket757]

And what will the aircraft FLY then?
An airplane turbine is not a turbine that is used for power generation!
Read whatever the relevant literature. And then the conversation is like a blind man with a deaf.

[cniza]

It seems to fly in a fair wind ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

It seems to fly in a fair wind ...

I watched the cartoon "Treasure Planet" with the children. Beautifully they fly on the cosmic \ solar wind !!!
Well, I say, New Year and then New Year miracles are waiting for us all!

[cniza]

Oh, I also dreamed of flying in the solar wind, maybe someday they will fly.

[Blackmokona]

GE engineers do not think so

[⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: rocket757

what will the plane fly then?

On the remaining. Figures for one turbine are given.

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

Tell me a specialist in ENERGY, and what POWER can be "removed" from the turbine, Schaub it has not stalled?

It is not necessary to remove from the main engines, you can put an additional one, only to provide the laser with energy.

[Avior]

very hard
the plane also has to fly.
But the fact that a gas turbine from a power plant as part of it took a turbine from the world's most powerful aircraft engine with a fan diameter of 3,3 meters, what does it have to do with a combat aircraft?

[rocket757]

Quote: Avior

very hard
the plane also has to fly.

There are GENERATORS on airplanes, they are built-in as part of a turbine element !!! But there is a special design and power take-off of several hundred watts, not even kilowatts !!! There is no talk about megawatts AT ALL!

[Avior]

you have put so many exclamation points in vain, I already know this very well.
even a few kilowatts beyond those foreseen for full-time avionics like radar and other things, get a problem on the fighter, for EW Grolers, for example, they go for special tricks, and then they use a whole battle laser.

[rocket757]

Sergei I just wanted to confirm your words, for those who are especially literate, in whom

Quote: BlackMokona

It is easy to remove electric current to power the laser.

straight from the turbine?

[Avior]

it’s generally a separate conversation yet where the electricity comes from

[Aibolit]

You are raving. What watts?
Norm 15 kVA

The version TU -95 reb under 24 kVA
Read at your leisure

[Avior]

the overwhelming majority of the energy of onboard generators is designed to power the standard avionics of the aircraft, there are few reserves there.
If we are talking about a sufficiently powerful laser, and not a laser pointer, it should have its own generator and drive for it.
You can’t put a racing engine there for an obvious reason.

[opus]

Quote: Avior

he must have his own generator and drive for him.

i don't need a generator

GDL RD2 was created on CO0600 a long time ago, which has the only drawback that it weighs 750 kg and is 2 by 2 meters
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=11&prod=62

A-60 / 78T6 / 1LK222

50 kW - MLTK-50 complex


The laser can work for 4-10 minutes with an interval between starts of about 20 minutes.
Pumping up to 8 kg / s of the gas mixture at a speed of about 50 m / s through the working chamber is carried out by a system based on a serial aircraft engine.
The pumping system and part of the auxiliary laser systems are located on the second semi-trailer.
The total weight of the equipment of the complex does not exceed 50 tons.

The transport base of the mobile laser complex is two serial automobile semi-trailers.
The layout of the equipment allows for container transportation by rail.
The water cooling system is autonomous.
For the operation of the installation, a power supply of about
750 kW.

[rocket757]

Not my topic! I just read that an auxiliary turbine for power supply was installed on planes. The method of power removal from the main turbine is used and several more methods ...
shorter FOR DIFFERENT.
The question is, I consider the statement about the possibility of removing high power from a working turbine to power a powerful laser impossible ... I have not seen such a thing.
Moreover, the conversation was about fighters, where very much you can’t install too much.
On such a huge device as a strategic bomber, you can cram a lot more, in addition.

[opus]

Quote: rocket757

Moreover, the conversation was about fighters, where very much you can’t install too much.

NPP "Aerosila" simultaneously develops (carries out R&D), implements and manufactures a whole range of APUs for various purposes and sizes. The creation of promising and the improvement of existing Armed Forces is carried out in accordance with the long-term program in three sizes: 100, 250 and 350 kW of equivalent power. Already in the new century, the enterprise has created three standard sizes of the APU - TA14, certified at the beginning of the last decade, TA18-100 and TA18-200, as well as a number of modifications based on the APU belonging to these standard sizes. The production of the APU is carried out at the production facilities of the NPP "Aerosila", practically without the involvement of any cooperation, said L. Plakhov.

SU TA18-200M with a 90 kW generator has not yet been certified; it is undergoing flight tests as part of the first prototype Tu-204SM

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Threat. on the SU-35S installed APU TA14-130-35, which ensures the launch of mid-flight engines on the ground and in flight with the inclusion of an onboard hydraulic system from them, 200/115 V AC power supply up to 30 kVA on-board consumers, air conditioning of the avionics cabin and compartments until the main engines are operational;
in SU-35s there is room for several TA14-130-35, if necessary

TA14-130-031 - VGTD with an equivalent power of 105 kW provides the air start of mid-flight engines of aircraft, power supply of on-board consumers with alternating current of 200/115 V and power up to 40 kVA, as well as air supply to the cabin air conditioning system.

or in overhead containers
or cheeky cheeks, like IL-76PP
or a chemical generator (poisonous, of course), for pulsed operation
or VMG
Today, these explosive devices hold records in magnetic field strength - 28 MG, the value of the pulsed electric current - about 300 MA, which corresponds to an extremely high electromagnetic energy 2 / 8tr »3 MJ / cm ^ 3. Explosive magnetic generators are today the most powerful energy devices. Their capacity reaches about 100 GW.

[opus]

Quote: rocket757

and power take-off of several hundred watts,

exactly "honeycomb" WATT?
CRJ-200 aircraft

The entire aircraft power system is divided into 2 subsystems: a three-phase alternating current power supply system with a voltage of 115V and a frequency of 400Hz, and a 28V DC power supply system.
The main sources of electricity for this system are 2 generators (IDG - integrated − drive generators), which are installed on the drive box of each engine and are driven in rotation from the shaft of the high pressure turbine.

Each power is 30kVA. Since the speed of the jet engine is not constant, in order to get a stable frequency of 400 Hz at the output of the generator, it is necessary that the generator shaft rotates with a constant speed. For this, a mechanism is installed inside the generator that deals with this. On Soviet technology, it was called a constant speed drive, and here CSD is a constant speed drive. It converts a variable input speed to a constant 12 rpm output. In the photo above, the left side is CSD, and the right side is the generator itself.
what are "hundreds of watts"?

30kVA * 2 =
Emergency the AC source is an ADG - air driven generator, a turbine that untwisted by a free stream of air.

On one shaft with a turbine is a generator, which gives us 15kVA three-phase alternating current 115V 400Hz.

[Avior]

all these are the power systems of the standard onboard systems
In some aircraft, an auxiliary diesel generator can serve as an emergency source instead of a wind generator, but in any case, it is used to power regular aircraft systems

[Vadim237]

I believe that now it’s possible to shove a 100 megawatt solid-state, gas, and chemical laser into an average transport aircraft using blocks with new superionists; one shot one superionist.

[Tersky]

Quote: rocket757

! But there is a special design and power take-off of several hundred watts, not even kilowatts !!!

Currently, current power of 28 volts, single-phase or three-phase alternating current with a neutral current of 200/115 volts, 400 Hz, three-phase alternating current without neutral current of 36 volts, 400 hertz, is used to supply onboard equipment and aircraft systems. The total power of the generators on board can be from 20 кВт for small planes or helicopters to 600 and more kW for heavy aircraft.

Something like this in fact ....

[⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: rocket757

There are GENERATORS on airplanes, they are built-in as part of a turbine element !!! But there is a special design and power take-off of several hundred watts, not even kilowatts !!! There is no talk about megawatts AT ALL

No one doubted it. As well as the fact that the selected power is limited by the needs of the board.
You were given an example that when you switch one of the turbines to power generation, it will give you what you need. In this way, it does not seem like a fantastic task to design a board with a "small power station" inside.

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

There are GENERATORS on airplanes, they are built-in as part of a turbine element !!!

What is this element of the turbine when the generator is installed on the outside of the engine, and the turbine is inside.

[venik]

Quote: BlackMokona

Turbojet aircraft engines, it is easy to remove electric current from them to power the laser.

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Not only......
Look at the photo (product "42", aka ANT-42, aka TB-7 and Pe-8) and say: HOW MANY engines does it have ????

I'm not drunk or "crazy"! We see - 4 engines, and on the first series there were 5 (FIVE!) ... the fifth engine called central pressurization unit ACN-1, located inside the fuselage and powered an air compressor, which forced air into the engines of the marching group. Thus, the problem of increasing the altitude of the aircraft was solved. This was a necessary measure, since there were no engines with built-in turbochargers. At ACN-1, the AM-34FRN motor was used. Subsequently, the ACN-2 unit was developed, on which the M-103A motor was installed.
And now - QUESTION: And what, on the IL-76 (for example, the Il-76MD-90A) inside the fuselage, well, in NO way can a turbogenerator of quite decent power be placed?

[Thrifty]

It will be the first aircraft in the world with a compact nuclear reactor on board!

[Blackmokona]

The USSR and the USA have already launched planes with an atomic reactor on board, see atomic planes.

[Thrifty]

BlackMicola - I wrote a COMPACT Nuclear Rector! ! Reactor-sized passenger car engine with protection! !!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Thrifty

BlackMicola - I wrote a COMPACT Nuclear Rector! ! Reactor-sized passenger car engine with protection! !!

We had such. We did not find suitable technological solutions. In particular, protecting people from AI took a very thick and heavy one.

A laser installation needs a lot of energy. Most likely something was invented in our century? .

[rocket757]

Quote: Mar. Tira

A laser installation needs a lot of energy. Most likely something was invented in our century? .

The only thing that you can at least understand / accept is to take energy from a special on-board generator (it is possible from the turbine) and fill it with a STORAGE (there are some). They are safe! The dimensions are decent, but NO PROTECTION IS NEEDED! Those. the entire occupied volume will be used for accumulation.
And then receive from him a short-term, powerful impulse. Those. the laser will be able to operate in a pulsed mode But the time between pulses will depend on the power taken from the energy source.
Those. too complicated, but SAFE!

[Avior]

but in this case the problem would be to connect an additional generator mechanically to the turbine.
Rather, put the impeller on the generator and will work from the air stream.

[rocket757]

For pulse mode, with storage, instantaneous high generator power is not required. In short, a "wind turbine" will do ... but then a very large storage device is needed, the time between pulses will increase, and the laser will be so-so, according to the ability to destroy something there!
And anyway, it’s more likely for such an object as a large bomber, which means protective functions, nothing more .....
All the same, it’s not very practical and effective. In short, it’s not beating for me yet.

[Avior]

the speed of the aircraft is so high that the windmill is quite effective even with a small screw diameter
see how they look on ALQ-99 EW containers on the Boeing EA-18G Growler

Although the capacities there are relatively small, you can’t simply connect the generator to the engine, there’s no extra space on the plane, either they put the extra engine in the fuselage and they rotate the generator from it; this is not about fighter jets, there’s not enough space

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: rocket757

Those. the laser will be able to operate in a pulsed mode

It’s a pity, of course, that now I can’t get in touch with a person who worked with combat lasers, too many years have passed, but my laser needs a constant powerful power source, otherwise there will not be enough power for the pulse? will have a decent weight?

[rocket757]

Quote: Mar. Tira

A small-capacity capacitor on the plane can’t cope, and a large one will again have a decent weight

I also saw a lot for a long, long time. Now clearly not in the subject. But I can tell from the "capacitors" of the storage that it is closer to the body.
Now the technology is such that much of what was then no longer looks like modern! The drive of the appropriate capacity, which was then with a fist, or even more, is now the size of a marigold!
Yes, and much more has changed. Our past knowledge is out of date! To understand what is happening now, we need to study, study and dive deep into the topic.
Therefore, I do not argue with those who are closer to the topic now.

[rocket757]

As launched, and lowered. They also designed the atomic tank, and where is it?
A complex, dangerous process. Very OVER! Therefore, everyone does not fly on atomic planes and does not drive atomic cars. On ships, this is welcome, MUCH PLACES AND WEIGHT IS NOT SO LIMITED.

[cniza]

Or maybe we don’t know something? may have created a compact case-sized reactor.

[Thrifty]

Then, most likely, a radioisotope source for the laser, but the laser will obviously not be Peresvet, but much smaller and weaker than it. And such a laser can be placed on the Ruslan ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

Or maybe we don’t know something? may have created a compact case-sized reactor.

You can MIX the vigorous reaction in a GLASS !!! But then you have to run faster than your own screech !!!
A nuclear power plant, the smallest sales, is the size of the entire compartment of a submarine, and that is because cooling is simpler! Warmth ABOARD !!! because boats are looking for HEAT TRACK!
And that COOLING COOLER !!! All of them probably saw them, the structures of the hooh are so huge! Without them, NO !!!
I’m not talking about the steam turbine itself and the electric generator, it depends on power .... well, there is also A WHOLE LOT OF COMPLEXES of a technical, protective plan.
In short, NO COMPACT NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS !!! but there are warheads.

[Svetlana]

About thirty years ago, the so-called chemical lasers when the laser is powered by the energy of a chemical reaction.

[rocket757]

Quote: Svetlana

About thirty years ago, the so-called chemical lasers when the laser is powered by the energy of a chemical reaction.

Another engineer hyperboloid Garin recall! Also, the innovative project was ... HA, HA.
THERE IS NO such protection that will save a nuclear reactor during an airplane CRASH !!! ALL POINT

[AlexG83]

Quote: rocket757

Same. Source of energy WHAT?

Is YSU installed on "Peresvet"? Well, that's the answer.
Subtract the landing gear and the hull, it is quite possible to fit the entire system into an airplane.
There is no fantasy here, if you really need it, they will do it.

[rocket757]

Quote: AlexG83

There is no fantasy here, if you really need it, they will do it.

Planes with YASU DO NOT FLY and WILL NOT FLY! for now, at least. explanation below in comments.

[opus]

Quote: rocket757

Source of energy WHAT?

"Chemistry"

continue?
Threat. although I do not digest Krivoruchko, there will be no sense
"Lada does not go, Kalash jammed, Chemezov's nephew drives everywhere"

[bayard]

Quote: rocket757

Source of energy WHAT?

On an airplane, there can only be one - gas turbines (turbo-generators). On the IL-76 back in the Soviet Union, a laser installation was installed for missile defense, tested (now in a museum). Later, Americans suffered the same with the Boeing 747.
Apparently something similar was conceived again.
In the end, it is quite possible to place the same "Peresvet" in the new Il-76.
... to know how effective it really is ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: rocket757

Source of energy WHAT?

For example, an MHD generator ...

[knn54]

Back in the days of the USSR, lasers were tested on the Il-project A-50. If the Tomahawk is burned out, a command is sent to self-destruct. At least the "old" version.
Now they are testing (if I'm not mistaken) the A-60 project.

[Nikolay87]

That's funny. What is the source of energy? - finger battery. Laser pointer no longer required

[rocket757]

Precisely, precisely, a plutonium battery ... like in an advertisement.

[cniza]

This is when the hare overtakes everyone, here we are jiving, and suddenly ...

[Mountain shooter]

A powerful laser that can shoot down an enemy aircraft can hardly be placed on an airplane ... but a laser capable of burning a GOS, an optoelectronic detection system on an airplane, is it possible to damage an organism of an enemy airplane or a rocket attacking an aircraft .. .

[bayard]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A powerful laser that is capable of shooting down an enemy aircraft - can hardly be placed on a plane

Here recently, a Turkish laser on an armored car chassis shot down a heavy Chinese-made UAV in Libya (two piercing in the hull). Actually, the aircraft is not so much necessary, at modern speeds, it will further collapse from air pressure. Especially a cruise missile.
In addition, judging by the frames provided by Peresvet, all of its hardware and generating parts will fit into the same Il-76.
Why use them?
It is possible against cruise missiles will be very effective. Or maybe against ballistic missile ballistic missiles, as before, they wanted to realize in the Beriev Design Bureau on the A-60. Perhaps there will be a new approach to the topic.

[Thrifty]

Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! On which aircraft is it possible to install the entire "Peresvet" complex ??? And it's not just the source of energy! How are they going to place this complex in a transport plane, because "Peresvet" simply won't fit on any other plane!

[rocket757]

Quote: Thrifty

Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense!

This shows how the quality of our efficient managers, to whom EVERYTHING POF, if they jump on their "golden parachutes" from anywhere, into another grain backwater!
Not a single RESPONSIBLE SCIENTIST, MAN, will not carry such a crap .... however, maybe this "duck" was specially launched for the holiday?

[AlexG83]

Quote: Thrifty

Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! On which aircraft is it possible to install the entire "Peresvet" complex ??? And it's not just the source of energy! How are they going to place this complex in a transport plane, because "Peresvet" simply won't fit on any other plane!

Do you think that he will be shoved there right along with the wheeled chassis? On the plane, you can only place the laser itself and the energy source.

[rocket757]

In short, we get it .... everything is approximately, like that, maybe other things are different.
Boom to wait, time will put all the dots on Yo

[opus]

Quote: Thrifty

Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! On which aircraft is it possible to install the entire "Peresvet" complex ???

Unified State Exam passed?
RA-86879
Beriev A-60 cn 0013430893

Quote: Thrifty

because on any other plane "Peresvet" trite will not fit!

Yes okay?
A-60 is an aircraft carrier version megawatt laser1LK222 laser range of action 1500km
"Peresvet" is resting.
Laser weapon carrier on the basis of the Il-76PP aircraft (PP - jammer)
On the sides of the fuselage under the fairings were located turbogenerators of the power system for the operation of a special complex.

The aircraft was equipped with a complex of electronic equipment Lily of the valley. To power it, turbo generators were installed on the sides of the bow, which were covered with huge fairings - neither to give nor take a hamster, which was full of cheek bags. Each turbo-generator was an AI-24VT TVD of 2820 electric power, driving 4 alternating current generators. There were large air intakes in the nose of the fairings, and tailpipes protruded outward in the rear. Due to the installation of turbo-generators, the full-time APU had to be moved to the rear of the left fairing of the landing gear and equipped with an elephant ear protruding from above on the top of the A-50 type of early warning radar detection aircraft (AWAC)

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http://www.ilyushin.org/aircrafts

Airborne complex for combating automatic drifting balloons - theme 78T6 "Drift" (development started in 1975).
Head developer of the laser system megawatt class was NPO "Astrophysics".
PS / and, Schaub exams were easier to pass

100 kW = total 750 kg Karl!
power source: chemistry, look

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HF (DF -) - laser with thermal initiation of the reaction. In these lasers, the excited state of the deuterium fluoride DF * molecule acts as a particle that generates laser radiation. In the combustion chamber, hydrogen H2 (not deuterium) is burned in an excess of fluorine, and due to the large amount of released energy, the excess F2 is dissociated to form extremely active atomic fluorine. The resulting gas mixture is passed through a nozzle grid. In this case, the total flow is divided into many jets with a diameter of 1–2 mm, accelerates to supersonic speeds, and is partially cooled. At the outlet of the nozzle lattice, the flow coming from the combustion chamber mixes with the flow of deuterium D2 and the formation of generating particles according to the reaction: D2 + F = DF * + H. Deuterium fluoride is used as a generating particle instead of hydrogen fluoride because close molecules " extinguish "excited states. Thus, the HF flow generated in the combustion chamber would deactivate the excited HF * molecules in the laser zone. Since only a part of the released energy leaves with laser radiation, dilution of the gas mixture with a flow of an inert gas - helium in a ratio of 1: 10-20 [1] is used to reduce thermal effects. The wavelength of coherent radiation for excited DF * molecules is 3,8-4,2 μm [2].
(DF-CO2) laser. In these lasers, excited molecules of deuterium fluoride DF * rapidly transfer energy to CO2 molecules. Excited CO2 * molecules relax much more slowly than DF *, which provides a longer chemolaser chain length and, as a result, higher laser efficiency. Using conventional hydrogen instead of deuterium leads to a decrease in the generated power, since HF * transfers energy to CO2 less efficiently [2]. Atomic fluorine is generated in the production chamber due to the low-temperature reaction NO + F2 = F + NOF. The reaction in the production chamber begins immediately after mixing the streams (F2 + He) and (NO + CO2). Then deuterium D2 is added to the resulting mixture, which reacts with atomic fluorine to form DF * and the subsequent transfer of energy from DF * to CO2. Excited CO2 * molecules are carried by the gas flow to the optical cavity, where laser radiation is emitted. Helium is used both to reduce thermal effects and to “cleanse” the lower operating energy levels in CO2 molecules [4]. The optimized ratio of reagents is NO: F2: D2: CO2: He = 1: 6: 5: 45: 100.
Oxygen-iodine laser. In this laser, atomic iodine in the 2P1 / 2 state acts as the generating particle. Initially, usually during the reaction of gaseous chlorine Cl2 with an aqueous solution of H2O2 and NaOH, an excited metastable singlet state of oxygen O2 (a1Δg) is formed. The energy of the singlet state is sufficient to provide both the process of dissociation of the I2 molecule and the transfer of the iodine atom to the excited state. Part of the oxygen during pumping from the O2 state (a1Δg) due to disproportionation passes to the high-energy state O2 (b1Σg +) and breaks the injected iodine gas molecules into atoms: 2O2 (b1Σg +) + I2 = 2O2 (X3Σg−) + 2I (2P3 / 2) . Then a radiation-generating particle is formed by the reaction O2 (a1Δg) + I (2P3 / 2) = O2 (3Σ) + I (2P1 / 2). Laser radiation is carried out by the reaction: I (2P1 / 2) + nhv = I (2P3 / 2) + (n + 1) hv. The coherent radiation wavelength is 1,315 μm [

[bayard]

Quote: Thrifty

Mr. Krivoruchko said nonsense! On which aircraft is it possible to install the entire "Peresvet" complex ???

We are looking at the creation of the Beriev Design Bureau A-60, estimating the dimensions of the Peresvet equipment to the carrying capacity of the Il-76ML-90A (476). Everything should fit perfectly.
And rising above the clouds, into the stratosphere, such a laser will certainly be much more effective than its ground version.
This is if we are talking about air defense / missile defense.

[reader65]

Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, a Ukrainian with a speaking surname Krivoruchko reported on the spent 1.5 lard rubles. Well, isn't it funny? Laser on a plane ... damn it. Where Poseidon and the petrel would like to ask him. Ah ... These topics were covered with the lives of real people who died on the losharik and in Nenoks.

[bayard]

A completely different weapon system was tested in Nyonoksa. Not "Petrel".
And the story with "Losharik" has nothing to do with "Poseidon".
Do not pile your inflamed fantasies.
What made you so excited?
1,5 tril. rub. ?
So this is less than 25 billion dollars. U.S.
Is it really a lot for the annual expenditures on the purchase of arms of a country like Russia ?!
It is not enough !
And if with such a budget for the purchase, the Russian Army manages to be the second military force in the world, then you need to bow at the feet of everyone involved in the military-industrial complex, who for such money provides the country with such weapons.
What annoys you so much?
Lack of "Poseidon" in service? So its carriers are just being completed and undergoing tests.
"Vanguard" is already on alert.
The "Dagger" is deployed and is in military operation.
"Zircon" is completing state tests and should be adopted next year.
"Peresvet" is already in the army. Expanded. On duty .

So what bothers you?
"Peresvet" by plane?
So look at the development of KB Beriev A-60. It seemed to be fantasy too, but it still worked under the Union. Apparently this topic will be revived.
In the Soviet Union, such a thing (a powerful laser system) also stood on an experimental ship.
But of course, using a laser from an airplane is much more convenient and efficient - at altitude both density and air humidity are much lower than on earth, and clouds / fog - everything remains below. For missile defense a very good solution.
AND NOT NEW.

[OlezhkaKravchenko]

After such news, it seems to me that the United States is at least 50 years behind us

[Incvizitor]

They would MIG 31 to catch up at least.

[Odysseus]

Capitalism in all its glory. 1,5 trillion rubles spent. There were no new weapons, either. Well, with the exception of UR-100N UTTH of the Brezhnev era, re-assigned to armament in a new way. Or MiG-31 of the same time.
However, under NG, you need to be optimistic. From the really positive news, the supply of 30 new tanks to the army. Yes, this is another reincarnation of the T-72, but this is only 30 tanks. But these are the first new production tanks in our army since 2011. The Air Force received a plus of a substantial 10 Su-35s. And the S-400 is proceeding as planned. Of course, the first Su-57 and the second Ash-tree were expected, well, it hasn’t worked out here yet.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Odyssey

Well, that's what I say, capitalism. The main thing is profit, and in your pocket.

That is why you are erecting a slap on our beloved leader now? Are you Navalny? “Not good, Shurik.” My favorite movie. That is why before people died for the country and now the country for people?

[Odysseus]

Quote: sergo1914

That’s why you are erecting a slap on our beloved leader now?

This is not a leader. But in the socio-economic system. But Yeltsin, Putin or Navalny are important, but the details. Those who want to leave the capitalist system are paying attention to the leader’s qualities. They’ll throw off, we’ll throw off Yeltsin or Putin or anyone else on the list and we’ll live.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Odyssey

Yeltsin, Putin or Navalny e

[bayard]

Quote: Odyssey

From the really positive news, the delivery of 30 new tanks to the army. Yes, this is another reincarnation of the T-72, but this is only 30 tanks. But these are the first tanks of new production in our army since 2011.

Where is this from you?
Only 30 tanks?
TOTAL ?
And are they all T-72?
... But what about the delivered T-80BVM battalion set?
A T-90M resumed in production?
And the first batch of "Armata"?

Quote: Odyssey

UR-100N UTTH of the Brezhnev era

Not Brezhnev's, these missiles were produced in the late 80s. And lay in warehouses. And now they have been modernized and received new combat equipment. Or "Vanguard" do you also think "from the Brezhnev times"?
Or "Yarsy" do not continue to enter service as planned?
"Maces"?

Quote: Odyssey

Or Mig-31 of the same times

To date, at least 30 MiG-31s ​​have been converted into Dagger carriers and are on alert. Or remind you about the age of the B-52? Or about B-1B? Or about the age of the F-15 and F-16 in service with the US Army? So our MiG-31 will be fresher - the resource is not killed by exploitation, from storage and after modernization it will serve for a long time. Moreover, as a carrier of shock hypersonic weapons.

Quote: Odyssey

Plus from a substantial 10 Su-35 received the Air Force.

Did you count the Su-30SM?
Su-34?
And the rearmament of the existing regiments is already ending.
We and the pilots do not have to form new ones.
In the current regiments, there is a shortage of pilots and aircraft, rather than aircraft.

Quote: Odyssey

Capitalism in all its glory. 1,5 trillion rubles spent

This is less than 25 billion dollars.
A lot of ?
FEW !
You calculate how much other countries could buy for that amount.
Any.
Now look at how much and what the Russian Army received.
For me, it’s very prudent.

[Odysseus]

You have reported something. I’m just writing that under capitalism, and for the Russian Federation this is normal Or, as you put it, eloquently. So you are breaking through the open door. I completely agree with you.
As for the rest, I am surprised at your questions.
1) It is 30 new tanks. This is the T-90M. That is, the first million modernization of the T-72. And 30 new tanks is good. Since 2011, this has not happened. Nobody produced the T-80. They took old tanks. There are no armatures in parts.
2) UR-100N UTTH finished production in 1985. Rockets are exactly what the Brezhnevskys. We used to stand in Khmelnitsky. Avangard is not a rocket at all. This is the UR-100N UTTH, but with a new head. Nobody knows anything about the head except advertising. In fact, they just took an old rocket and refueled it.
3) I wrote about Poplars (what you call Yars). So that production in the current conditions is still a big achievement.
4) About airplanes, I wrote from the essentials. The Su-35 is the best modernization of the Su-27, indeed, relevant. However, I agree that the Su 27 IS (that is, the Su-34) is also needed. It’s not a century to torment the Su-24. So I write with pleasure that so far 6 boards have been handed over, we are waiting for another 4 under the Christmas tree.
5) About the fact that they are completing the rearmament, he smiled. We have a lot of tanks. We even ship to Syria and Donbass from warehouses. And if you reduce the army by another 3 times, you can do an excellent business altogether. You still have to sell a lot of things. Just now they think what to do with the Novosibirsk plant. We have a lot of airplanes. There are 4 incomplete regiments on Su -27IB

[bayard]

Quote: Odyssey

Just now they think what to do with the Novosibirsk plant. We have so many planes. Already 4 incomplete regiments on the Su-27IB

Yes, it seems like they have come to their senses, they will continue to produce Su-34 - Algeria 14 pcs. They signed a contract for themselves, but in a modernized form - unification with the Su-35 on avionics and engines. But the nerves of course people patted with the impending closure of production.
T-90 can be called a modernization of the T-72 only conditionally. Chassis - yes. The tower is new, welded, nut-like, the gun is new, the FCS even in the first version was from the latest T-80 modification. It turned out reliably, angrily and not very expensive. And was it worth it to pursue the perfect novelty? T-72 proved itself to be the most reliable, protected and cheap among the three classmates (T-64, T-72, T-80). Although the chassis was the best at the T-80.
The fact that the T-80 was dragged from storage to modernization is a great idea, because the tank is wonderful, there are many of them and the resource has not been used up. After the upgrade, just the little frog comes out. Not so much wealth, let it serve.
About the "Vanguard" ... if it was adopted, put it on the database, then it is combat-ready and meets the requirements. This topic has been dragged since Soviet times, and therefore brought.
About "Yars", it is certainly a descendant of "Topol", but the starting mass is different - more, and the presence of a breeding stage. This is an evolution of engineering, but no longer "Poplar".
In the end, the same "Sarmat" is a descendant of the magnificent R-36M2, a rehash with new combat equipment. There even the engine is the same. And this is good, because the coefficient of novelty should not exceed critical values.
With such a budget for purchases - in incomplete 25 billion dollars. you don’t especially take a walk, but look how many programs pull on them ... you will be surprised ...

[Vadim237]

You forgot about the new ones: communications equipment, equipment, electronic warfare systems, new sights, thermal imagers and night vision devices, engineering vehicles, robotic systems, troop control vehicles, UAVs and much more. So at the expense of "New weapons, as it was, and not." - You are delusional.

[Livonetc]

Friend.
And where is such surprise and skepticism?
In this case, let's say that installing Peresvet is fantastic.
Nowhere was it said that the new installation would be installed on a fighter or similar in size device.
Perhaps the first versions of laser weapons will be used on aircraft of dimensions IL86.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Livonetc

In this case, let's say that installing Peresvet is fantastic.

Man, this can go so far that you don’t like Putin. It is fraught.

[bayard]

Rather, the IL-76.
Most likely, this is the reincarnation of the theme of KB Beriev A-60. Such an installation was in metal, flew, tested. Now stands in a museum. You can see.

[Pavel57]

Not in the museum. In Chkalovsky. Enemies burned one side.

[evgen1221]

They put Kamaz with overexposure into silt and Lazar into the fairing and fly and shine.

[Pavel57]

Will have to put on the IL-76 5 turbojet engine specifically for the promotion of the generator.

[sergo1914]

Is Krivoruchko a life credo or a surname?

[Klingon]

Quote: Shuttle

Quote: cniza

In particular, they talked about the placement of "Peresvet" on the plane.

If so, then fiction, but where to get energy?

The energy in an airplane is a dime a dozen. It is only necessary to accumulate, and then instantly issue. Any graphene supercapacitors would do. In short, capacious and lightweight something that can be charged from a generator associated with the engine. Or even from the flow of hot gases of the engine.

Stripes with their Boeing YAL-1 did not have a TK rolling their chemical laser (oxygen-iodine) and very bulky, I think it has 5 shots, then the canisters empty and the laser becomes useless until the chemicals are replenished. Peresvet, as I understand it on a vigorous pumping ... in which plane are they going to shove it? or is it about continuation of the project Beriev A-60 most likely

[Operator]

"Peresvet" on an aircraft carrier - which is what I wangled about (all-weather, long-range and simple laser cooling scheme).

All coming

[Woland]

The question remains: WHAT can he?

[Vadim237]

It will definitely be able to destroy missiles, planes and UAVs, and maybe even BRRS launching at our borders.

[yfast]

Why a laser? You just need to do a combat teleport, then no one will want to fight with the MO. And it will be a weapon on the new physical somehow there.

[Robertocalos]

A year ago, the Dagger was already flying on 10 Machs, then the Vanguard on 22 Machs, and now the Deputy Minister plans to increase the speed of missiles to 10 Machs next year. Do not lower, mind you.
It seems that either the press service of the Moscow Region does not catch mice, or the tops from the defense don’t give a damn what they broadcast to the outside world. This is sad.
Although, maybe he was going to disperse Poseidon?

[Zaurbek]

What size airplanes can Peresvet put on ?!

[Pavel57]

IL-76. You don’t even have to invent anything, the platform has already been created in the USSR. It was called the A-60.

[Lone gunman]

Well, not that terrible ... the road will be mastered by the walking ... explosion - magnetic coil - pure energy - then, even into a cannon, even into a "laser", even into an artificial sun.

[Diviz]

Well, if a small nuclear reactor is created, then the laser will be.