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The Ministry of Defense will exact from two technicians 31 million rubles for accidental rocket launch

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The Ministry of Defense will exact from two technicians 31 million rubles for accidental rocket launch

X-29TD missiles before installation on an airplane


Two aviation equipment from the Crimean airfield Saki will pay the Russian Ministry of Defense about 31 million rubles for the Kh-29TD aircraft guided missile accidentally fired in the hangar. Writes about it "Kommersant".

The Crimean garrison court partially satisfied the lawsuit of the Ministry of Defense against the military personnel of the Saki airdrome to recover the amount of damage caused to the state during their actions. Nikolai Zverev and Alexei Chebanov were found guilty of violating the rules for the treatment of weaponsrepresenting an increased danger to others (Part 1 Art. 349 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

By a court ruling, Aleksey Chebanov was assigned a one-year and three-month military service restriction with deduction of 15% of wages to state revenue, and Nikolai Zverev - a year of restriction with 10% payment. For the time of limitation, servicemen may not be promoted to the position and rank.

As it was established by the court, on October 1 of the 2017, military technicians controlled the technical condition of aviation weapons, including two X-29TD missiles. In violation of the work schedule, they did not check the serviceability of the check mechanisms of one of the missiles by supplying current, which in turn led to the activation of the squibs.

The X-29TD guided missile went flying, demolished the gate and part of the wall of the hangar along the way, destroyed other equipment and a second missile. Note that the length of the X-29TD is about 4 meters with a mass of approximately 700 kg, of which 100 is a warhead.

The initial lawsuit of the Ministry of Defense against two technicians amounted to more than 46 million rubles, since it was precisely the amount caused damage, but then it was reduced to 40 million, and then to 31 million rubles. Considering extenuating circumstances and causing harm by negligence, the court ordered Zverev to pay 15 million, and Chebanov - 16 million rubles. The amount will be deducted from the salaries of servicemen.
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  1. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 November 2019 10: 23
    +17
    Guys hit. The same how many years will be paid ........?
    1. Buffet
      Buffet 26 November 2019 10: 27
      +9
      Considering that only 10 and 15% will be kept from them ... For a very long time.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 November 2019 10: 36
        +19
        Okay, at least they didn’t kill anyone - Slobs! what
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 26 November 2019 11: 54
          +83
          This is an absolutely stupid and stupid decision, which is becoming a trend in the armed forces with the easy submission of the military prosecutor's office.
          Yes, to blame, but slobs. Declare strict and deprive bonuses and allowances for a year. And write off everything according to the inspection certificate. These are all the costs of military service and we must come to terms with this. In any case, the culprits will not pay this money, because the amounts are huge. The only thing that will be achieved is that they will be driven into complete bondage of the military and all his family until the end of their lives. ...
          1. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 26 November 2019 12: 13
            -3
            Most likely, they will not pay anything at all. In a couple of years, the debt will be written off "at the expense of the army" ... They are scared and that's it. Well, the state will then write off at the expense of the taxpayer.
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 26 November 2019 12: 22
              +44
              Down and Out trouble started!

              Next will be those pilots who missed the target?
              If you missed, pay 30 lyamas for a "spoiled" rocket.
              Gunners for the mistake, too, a couple of dozen lyamov !!!
              Tank stalled pay a fine of 50 thousand.
              A torpedo passed the target - spitting the fine.

              Oak prosecutors collapsed?
              We decided to transfer the army to self-sufficiency

              Well, the little things:
              - All drivers must be obliged to repair the equipment at their own expense, because before you sat down at the steering wheel the equipment was working!
              And if it’s not working, the mechanic will pay!

              Insanity grows stronger! Let's pray the dough gentlemen, prosecutors.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 26 November 2019 13: 40
                +8
                But in the coming years, they won’t fall exactly under the reduction ...
                And there, you see, in a few next years, the next jump in inflation, and millions will begin to consider the salary
                laughing
                1. Radius
                  Radius 27 November 2019 17: 26
                  0
                  Neighing from the heart.
              2. From Siberia we
                From Siberia we 26 November 2019 16: 13
                0
                well, drivers have been "looking for" tires for a long time
              3. Senya Sem
                Senya Sem 26 November 2019 19: 44
                +3
                Next will be those pilots who missed the target?
                If you missed, pay 30 lyamas for a "spoiled" rocket.
                Gunners for the mistake, too, a couple of dozen lyamov !!!
                Tank stalled pay a fine of 50 thousand.
                A torpedo passed the target - spitting the fine.

                Why write nonsense? Did he himself serve in the Army? It's not about mistakes, but about the basic implementation of safety measures. They were lucky that the rocket did not kill anyone, otherwise they would have sat down for a long time.
                1. edeligor
                  edeligor 27 November 2019 13: 56
                  +5
                  Quote: Senya Sem
                  Did he himself serve in the Army?

                  Did he himself serve? And in what rank, if not secret?
                  Quote: Senya Sem
                  basic safety

                  exactly, buddy, to the point! Now tell me who in the unit is responsible for TB, provides briefings, etc. etc. And two ensigns were to blame! Fun! Where is the senior technician, engineer ?! And Volodya is right, this is the tendency and the creation of the applicant, as a result of which everyone will be put on babos! This is either sabotage or criminal guided activity.
              4. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 26 November 2019 21: 23
                +4
                Quote: Vladimir16
                Insanity grows stronger! Let's pray the dough gentlemen, prosecutors.

                Our Ukrainian brothers from the captain, who led 6 or 7 of his fighters from the boiler to the territory, were prosecuted for the burnt car. He foolishly burned the car so that the militia would not get it.
                But the judge, our guy, wrote him damages.
                Next time, let the raguli hand over the equipment and weapons to the militia according to the act that everything is in order and nothing is stolen. And with this paper from captivity to the prosecutor ...
              5. Berkut752
                Berkut752 28 November 2019 10: 07
                0
                Ek you dear bent. 30 mil and 48 do not want, at cost. And often you are sailors. not affected, you are my friend. And in the infantry, there are no enemies in the infantry ?, threw it at the custody and did not hit the pest either.
            2. Marconi41
              Marconi41 26 November 2019 15: 43
              0
              Quote: Cottodraton
              Most likely, they will not pay anything at all. In a couple of years, the debt will be written off "at the expense of the army" ... They are scared and that's it. Well, the state will then write off at the expense of the taxpayer.

              Most likely it will. As soon as the product expires, they’ll write off.
            3. Altai72
              Altai72 26 November 2019 16: 42
              +3
              People destroy planes, tanks and ships. No one is safe from this. Could tear and ruin these guys, and then what? Every thing happens. And I don’t think about worrying about taxes, it can happen to you, and to me, and to our loved ones. At least in this situation, they didn’t ditch Porsche bought for our taxes.
            4. loki565
              loki565 27 November 2019 15: 21
              -1
              As soon as the shelf life of the rocket expires, they will write it off, but for now they will pay the loan.
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          3. K-612-O
            K-612-O 26 November 2019 12: 27
            +8
            It’s interesting, but if they would have killed a plane, or worse several people, they also need a planer and normal, just slobs.
            And by the way, this practice was quite in the Union.
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 26 November 2019 13: 11
              +7
              If, yes, if it’s already from the field of the subjunctive mood, it is inappropriate here, this is a completely different story and another article.
          4. Demon_is_ada
            Demon_is_ada 26 November 2019 13: 19
            +9
            Responsibility should be unconditional, but definitely it’s not worth bringing to insanity, here I completely agree with you. During the service in CA (urgent laughing ) I depleted the ammunition alone, that it took several lives to pay for them ... I remember how I launched two birds in a row past the target crying then I saw the glance of the deputy technician and understood how Lenin looked at the bourgeoisie, I still remember and embarrassingly become ATGM a primitive little one, that is, cheap relatively ... But what could I do? There were no simulators and there were my first starts, but then I could lay a racket over the embankment laughing , yeah ... The question is the quality of the selected human material and the ability to carry out the tasks, who allowed these technicians to such types of work? Wasn't the MO itself testing this way? I have been fond of psychology for a long time and I know very well in an hour and a half that you can perfectly comprehend a person completely, including his prospects ... That is, we save on drugs, do not want to attract the best, and then bend down and demand as for a normal salary ... Affective managers leaked to the Moscow Region laughing
          5. knn54
            knn54 26 November 2019 14: 04
            +16
            If there were guys from Africa, they wrote off the debt. And so ...
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          7. Ka-52
            Ka-52 27 November 2019 07: 21
            +1
            Yes, to blame, but slobs. Declare strict and deprive bonuses and allowances for a year. And write off everything according to the inspection certificate.

            lover to protect the slobs I will say only the following:
            In the 70s, in our 290 terabytes, a poorly fixed bolt jammed the stabilizer steering gear. As a result, the entire crew died, 3 people, great guys. You can of course stick a rigorous technique to the humpback. But you will not return people. Wives of husbands and children of their fathers. And cases when the crews died due to someone's headache cart and a small cart. And you continue to spare the shank @ pov.
          8. Ka-52
            Ka-52 27 November 2019 09: 19
            0
            maxim947 (Maxim) Yesterday, 11:54

            You can continue to minus, but from this your ideas as were suitable only for the fan, and so will remain
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 27 November 2019 21: 26
              0
              Why so much anger ?? Everyone has their own opinion. If the pluses are not enough, hold ..
          9. loki565
            loki565 27 November 2019 15: 16
            0
            earlier, under article wrecking, they would go and cut the forest for a long time. And now at large, 10% is less than what people pay for a loan.
        2. Winnie76
          Winnie76 26 November 2019 13: 51
          +13
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Okay, at least they didn’t kill anyone - Slobs!

          Dredgers. Elmira Sahipzadovna fell in love with 23,3 billion green. This was all the Air Force could land on the Su-57.
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 29 November 2019 12: 55
            0
            Quote: Winnie76
            Elmira Sahipzadovna fell in love with 23,3 billion green.

            In fact, you didn’t make out the woods behind the little tree either - Glazyev counted the Sakhipzadovna, during her work in the Central Bank, the damage to the country was 7 trillion rubles.
            And she continues to work to increase this amount ...
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 26 November 2019 10: 59
        +12
        Count pasana took a mortgage
        1. Redfox3k
          Redfox3k 27 November 2019 12: 07
          0
          On 5 (five) mortgages an average of 3 Lyama.
      3. iouris
        iouris 26 November 2019 12: 14
        +23
        The judgment seems strange. In some areas of activity, due to the correlation of the cost of equipment and cash maintenance, in many cases it is even theoretically impossible to recover losses and damages in full. We would like specialists to analyze foreign jurisprudence on such incidents.
        There are questions:
        1) Was it possible to recover compensation for the Chernobyl disaster from operators who conducted "experiments" on the reactor?
        2) Should direct directors of technicians be held accountable until .... inclusive?
        The answers are obvious.
        Conclusions:
        1) either liability should be limited by reasonable limits, or the monetary maintenance of military personnel should be brought into line.
        2) mechanisms of insurance against the consequences of such incidents should be created in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
        1. lisiy prapor
          lisiy prapor 27 November 2019 13: 15
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          In the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, insurance mechanisms against the consequences of such incidents should be created.

          Such a mechanism has existed for a long time: the elder stands and reads the step-by-step instructions, while the vaska fuss and mark the fulfillment of the points with the statutory word "is." But apparently "optimization" has affected all areas.
          1. iouris
            iouris 27 November 2019 13: 30
            +1
            I clarify. I had in mind the insurance of risks and liability known to every modern person. You mean the need to comply with the technology and the rules for the safe execution of (technical) maintenance operations.
            It has been known since ancient times that it is human nature to make mistakes. The nature of mistakes is associated not only with the "personality factor" (ie, violations associated with defects in training and education), but also with the "human factor", which means mistakes made as a result of limitations inherent in each individual as a representative of the species or the human race.
            1. lisiy prapor
              lisiy prapor 27 November 2019 13: 37
              +1
              When one reads out an instruction (at such prices, there must be an uncle not lower than a major), while others perform, reporting on the fulfillment of each item, there can be no "mistakes" a priori. And then there are two "switchmen" - "double bass", where is the logic?
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 26 November 2019 10: 27
      -3
      Quote: Alexey-74
      The same how many years will be paid ........?

      So it says there - a year for one and another year and three months for the second.
      1. skinar
        skinar 26 November 2019 10: 34
        +4
        This is almost 10 million per month for each sn (if not miscalculated). It seems to me either an inaccuracy in the condition or something is not taken into account
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 26 November 2019 10: 35
          -1
          Quote: skinar
          something is left out

          Maybe some kind of insurance.
          1. sagitch
            sagitch 26 November 2019 11: 01
            -1
            So Moscow Oblast will probably get insurance, which technicians will pay, well, a fine, but not 31 million rubles. (500 thousand cu) !!!
      2. DMoroz
        DMoroz 26 November 2019 10: 40
        +9
        This is apparently the period of payment of the main punishment - a fine in state revenue and in compensation for damage is not counted. Year and year and three months. this is a term of service restriction as an additional form of punishment. 15 and 16 million will be exacted separately and probably for a long time if there is no property ...
      3. Invoce
        Invoce 26 November 2019 11: 11
        +7
        it's about a service limit! And they will pay until they are paid or until the court pardons them! Get fucked up! Hit the screws!
        1. vadson
          vadson 26 November 2019 11: 49
          -3
          they will rewrite all real estate for wives and children, and make bankruptcy. nothing wrong.
          1. Archivist Vasya
            Archivist Vasya 26 November 2019 12: 13
            +2
            And if there are no wives or children, then what should I do?
            1. vadson
              vadson 26 November 2019 12: 15
              -4
              the same thing, real estate will not be taken away. sit half a year on a minimum and that's it
              1. Archivist Vasya
                Archivist Vasya 26 November 2019 12: 28
                +1
                I would like to believe only if we learn the continuation of their story ...
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 26 November 2019 11: 30
        +1
        So it says there - a year for one and another year and three months for the second.

        Well, thank God if so. This is quite an adequate punishment.
      5. Buffet
        Buffet 26 November 2019 11: 37
        +1
        Yes, but as I understand it, this is a service limitation.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 26 November 2019 10: 34
      +5
      The trend however ... the military is now at risk of life-long slavery ... and if there is also a mortgage .. Tin. You need to insure everything.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 26 November 2019 10: 42
        +9
        The state will now have to provide technicians with a very high salary, guarantee permanent employment and maintain their health until they pay off! belay feel
        1. Invoce
          Invoce 26 November 2019 11: 18
          +15
          After the end of the service, you also have to pay ... Until full repayment or amnesty .... Ohren! Who will go to the Army? Even if they are to blame, circumstances and commanders often push for violation of regulations and instructions .. I know from my own experience. The commander sets the task com. parts, those - com. divisions .... performers are tasked at all costs to do yesterday ... and the fact that the state is incomplete or there is no time on the schedule to carry out these tasks does not bother anyone ... but considering how courts make decisions - you will be baptized 10 times, doing what they require
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2019 10: 52
        +10
        Though do not go to the army ....
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 26 November 2019 11: 33
          +1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Though do not go to the army ....

          If you pound, then, of course, you do not need to walk. Better hiding in the woods lol
          1. Fibrizio
            Fibrizio 26 November 2019 12: 45
            -2
            I am 100% sure that only the full ones sit up dumb and get a certificate at 28.
            Smart guys will always find a way to get a legit warrior. Be it a bribe, health or graduate school. And if for some reason they need it, they can serve it.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 26 November 2019 13: 35
              +6
              Quote: Fibrizio
              I am 100% sure that only the full ones sit up dumb and get a certificate at 28.
              Smart guys will always find a way to get a legit warrior. Be it a bribe, health or graduate school. And if for some reason they need it, they can serve it.

              Sasha, you feel that you have experience. Himself how slanted from the army? Now some are even proud of the fact that they managed to slip from the draft, considering the rest as suckers. negative In the days of my youth, such people who had fallen away were considered by the people to be "inferior" and the attitude towards us was corresponding. But now they see themselves as heroes.
              1. Fibrizio
                Fibrizio 26 November 2019 13: 50
                -2
                To be honest, in everyday life I don’t think about the army at all. Not interested.
                But I didn’t have to mow. From the military registration and enlistment board of the medical commission, they were referred to the hospital for examination. After that, they didn’t want to take it, it’s limited fit. So I'm not interested in the army.

                And there are always plenty of ways to "grow up" or "mature". You can go in for sports, you can have interesting hobbies, for example, hunting (like mine).
                But the most important thing is to leave your parents. There, too, the pies are quickly drained and the head turns on. The main thing is not hand in hand, from mom to wife)))))
      3. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 26 November 2019 11: 14
        +7
        After this, you can immediately them through a dig and seek political asylum. They will never give so much from their sn. If they have a salary of net hundred per month, then they will give it all for about 13 years. And they will be charged with a penalty of 395. And s / n they are unlikely to weave. So it’s easier for them to blame for the hill if they accept.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 26 November 2019 11: 56
          +2
          No one will give the entire salary, usually in such cases a marginal percentage of recovery is set, as in the article. Just a question for how long. If it’s indicated in the article, then this is one thing, if unlimited, we will share with each other.
          1. Archivist Vasya
            Archivist Vasya 26 November 2019 12: 18
            +2
            Even if it is indefinite, then they still do not pay these amounts until the end of life. After the army, it is not known where they will go to work, but I don’t think that there is where zp 100-200K ...
            1. Fibrizio
              Fibrizio 26 November 2019 12: 43
              0
              Moreover, now they will not leave an inheritance to anyone. And then a tribute to the homeland will have to be given to the heirs.
            2. Alex bergman
              Alex bergman 26 November 2019 23: 15
              -2
              Guys. Well, they will hang debts on them, well, they will even give them to the bailiffs. So what? 3 years hang - then lawyers will change and forget about them. Or else hang 3 years. They will forget it anyway! And due to negligence - they will not apply for an extension. Everything will be written off. Bullshit is all. Military lawyers are one of the main gouging countries. You understand the system!
              1. loki565
                loki565 27 November 2019 15: 29
                0
                If they do not give a 10% loan, then they can select a free apartment, it’s easier to deduct a couple of years from the salary.
          2. Fibrizio
            Fibrizio 26 November 2019 12: 52
            0
            This is so clear. The term in the article is a punishment from the employer, as I understand it. And their grandchildren will pay if there is enough stupidity to inherit the apartment earned by the guys in a military mortgage.
        2. loki565
          loki565 27 November 2019 15: 27
          0
          a very stupid decision, it’s like they gave you an apartment to stay away))) After a couple of years, the storage period of the rocket will pass and it will be written off in a place with a 10% credit to the woes of technicians
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 November 2019 11: 17
        +10
        "You need to insure everything." ////
        ----
        That's right. Such things are decided by insurance.
        1. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 26 November 2019 11: 19
          +3
          Rather, not property, but responsibility. Apparently this will come.
          But then again, I'm not sure that our insurance companies are ready to provide such a service. Specificity, it is difficult to assess the risks and the necessary contribution.
        2. Alex bergman
          Alex bergman 27 November 2019 00: 00
          0
          Right of course. And then the insurance does not recover? Not?
    4. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 26 November 2019 11: 01
      +3
      Yeah, you will not envy the guys, my friend ruined the tank in the army, so his family paid this debt for a long time, then with this money it was possible to build a 2-story mansion.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 26 November 2019 11: 23
        +1
        It's like in a joke ... about a wife who came to the unit commander to find out how long her husband will pay for the tank ... And the husband was saving money for a drink or girlfriend ..
        This is in part regarding the TANK ... but in general uzhos!
        1. Alexander Petrov1
          Alexander Petrov1 26 November 2019 12: 46
          +1
          Yes, it’s better to spend it on beauties and sturgeon caviar with French champagne, than because of bad luck ...
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 26 November 2019 20: 34
            0
            And where does the bad luck? Failure to comply with the regulations, negligence. If at work I was thinking not about work or my hands from jo, then this is not bad luck.
            1. Alexander Petrov1
              Alexander Petrov1 26 November 2019 20: 42
              +1
              Of course, I understand the law above all, but when a person is not intentionally mistaken, and not intentionally, but how many people steal and cause great damage to the state, I don’t feel sorry for these.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 26 November 2019 20: 48
                0
                Repeatedly encountered human irresponsibility, negligence and nonsense. And sometimes with a very tragic result. By occupation, often in the field of electrics. And I have a negative attitude towards incompetent personalities. Such people are dangerous !!!! In fact, the materials of the case do not say what served as the root cause of negligence. Rush? Fatigue? Unlearned? Feeling unwell? Another reason.
                1. Alexander Petrov1
                  Alexander Petrov1 26 November 2019 20: 58
                  0
                  Yes, your words should be tied to incompetent officials, because of which our Russia loses a billion dollars every year, in the form of a particularly large heap or fraud and a disregard for citizens ...
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 26 November 2019 22: 08
                    0
                    And incompetent officials need to be HANGED in Red Square on Saturdays. Plus the confiscation of everything the family has. So that Joseph Visarionovich and Lavrenty Pavlovich were envious. There is such a concept "signature without a statute of limitations", which means that even after 10 or 100 years a person is completely guilty and bears full responsibility if the signature certifies an illegal document.
                    1. Alex bergman
                      Alex bergman 27 November 2019 00: 12
                      0
                      This will not go to today's officials! Will in every way interfere! They will think about it like this - they have a “point to bite a needle” !!!
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 27 November 2019 01: 35
                        0
                        Turn that needle 90 degrees, and in the right plane.
                    2. Andrey Shch
                      Andrey Shch 27 November 2019 10: 27
                      0
                      What nonsense? Where did you find such a "concept"?
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 November 2019 16: 50
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Petrov1
        Yeah, you will not envy the guys, my friend ruined the tank in the army, so his family paid this debt for a long time, then with this money it was possible to build a 2-story mansion.

        Did you ruin the whole tank? belay Easily escaped, at the price of a tank, not one such mansion can be built bully
        1. Alexander Petrov1
          Alexander Petrov1 26 November 2019 16: 54
          0
          Well, there alone electronics stands, like a mansion, and Mercedes did not dream about these prices, or do you disagree with world prices?
    5. DRM
      DRM 26 November 2019 11: 08
      +4
      My wife still say that I pay for the fact that 2C3 drowned))
    6. svp67
      svp67 26 November 2019 11: 20
      +3
      Quote: Alexey-74
      The same how many years will be paid ........?

      Well, it seems that the joke about what else grandchildren and great-grandchildren have to pay here seems to become a reality ...
    7. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 26 November 2019 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Guys hit. The same how many years will be paid ........?

      They will also calculate from retirement .... Really hit!
    8. evgenii67
      evgenii67 26 November 2019 12: 08
      +2
      Great-grandchildren still have enough
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    10. opus
      opus 26 November 2019 12: 53
      -7
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Guys hit. The same how many years will be paid ........?

      They will appeal in the ESCP, because the price is clearly too high

      That's about $ 288 - $ 000,00
      although we were convinced that compared to the AGM-65 Maverick


      AGM-65 Maverick unit cost ranges from USD $ 48,000 (A-model) to USD $ 269,000 for the G-model (FY 1999).
      even if $ 269,000 / 25 = X-29 MUST cost $ 10000 = 640 rubles.

      Who is deceiving whom?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 November 2019 15: 08
        0
        Well, in fact, it turns out that the X 29TD rocket costs 18 million rubles - and you thought that guided missiles cost cheap, the ATGM Cornet rocket costs 812000 rubles - and here is 700 kilogram duras with a television seeker.
        1. opus
          opus 26 November 2019 18: 20
          -11
          Quote: Vadim237
          and you thought that guided missiles are cheap

          1.This junk rocket, from the pea king, developed by the USSR, the Russian Federation was not invested in R&D and OCD, equipment, etc.
          2.
          In a number of sources, the figure varies from 30 to 60 thousand dollars.


          in 1992, 180 missiles cost the customer 153 million rubles. Thus, the cost of each rocket amounted to 850 thousand rubles, which at the exchange rate of 1992 amounted to 6,5 thousand dollars
          Quote: Vadim237
          and here is 700 kilogram duras with a television seeker.

          Starting 1 rocket of the 9K720 complex, including leaving the complex and calculating in the field, fuel for automatic telephone exchanges, the rocket itself (2015) cost approximately 118 million rubles with copecks.

          9M723-1 = 3800 kg = X (even so)
          700 kg = 18 rubles.
          According to your logic, 9M723-1 should cost = 18 * 459 / 000 = ?? *?
          discrepancy

          Quote: Herman 4223
          Maverick rocket lighter class. At x29, the warhead weighs like an American counterpart.


          Television GOS cheaper ARLGSN
          1.KVO 2,2-3m versus 1,1-2. AGM-65 is no longer needed
          2. well, take
          SM.39
          MM.40
          MM.40 blok 3
          there with the mass of the same 660-870 kg, warhead The same 165 kg!
          Maybe it's outfit?
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 26 November 2019 16: 24
        +1
        Maverick rocket lighter class. At x29, the warhead weighs like an American counterpart.
      3. iouris
        iouris 27 November 2019 00: 25
        -1
        Quote: opus
        Who is deceiving whom?

        Everyone is deceiving everyone. How many launches of the X-29xx were in the same Syria?
    11. Thrifty
      Thrifty 26 November 2019 13: 23
      -1
      Were they both in the hangar? Nobody supervised their work, the senior is not appointed for similar works? ??? A stupid decision, a prident can be created by anyone and for anything legally in the army now let the world go! !!!
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 November 2019 16: 55
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        Were they both in the hangar? Nobody supervised their work, the senior is not appointed for similar works? ??? A stupid decision, a prident can be created by anyone and for anything legally in the army now let the world go! !!!

        If you put a senior over each fighter, the army will have to be doubled, will we pull? laughing
        1. DMoroz
          DMoroz 26 November 2019 20: 59
          +1
          If you put a senior over each fighter, the army will have to be doubled
          Of course, I don’t know anything about the rules for fixing safety records during maintenance of the KR with warheads in the Air Force, but bringing safety rules at the place of work with a signature in the journal before work begins. From here, they will either admit to non-compliance with the rules of TB, or poke into the journal for lack of knowledge of otv. the person of the rules of TB ... and the question when contesting the decision will be decided differently (although it is unlikely that the lawyers did not use such a situation, hence request ...).
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 26 November 2019 21: 05
            0
            Quote: DMoroz
            If you put a senior over each fighter, the army will have to be doubled
            Of course, I don’t know anything about the rules for fixing safety records during maintenance of the KR with warheads in the Air Force, but bringing safety rules at the place of work with a signature in the journal before work begins. From here, they will either admit to non-compliance with the rules of TB, or poke into the journal for lack of knowledge of otv. the person of the rules of TB ... and the question when contesting the decision will be decided differently (although it is unlikely that the lawyers did not use such a situation, hence request ...).

            There are no problems with safety measures - everyone is alive and well. But with the methodology for carrying out the regulations, one must ask who allowed them to work.
            1. DMoroz
              DMoroz 26 November 2019 23: 46
              0
              methodology
              As I said, TB (I wrote above) or the method of carrying out the regulations is just an inscription on the magazines, but the signatures in them are already a document. The decision of the court is not yet an argument, if it is of the first instance. As it was above, "will there be a continuation", let's see ...
    12. segduda
      segduda 27 November 2019 11: 17
      0
      ALL LIFE....
  2. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 November 2019 10: 24
    -4
    Not bad they get there.
    1. cost
      cost 26 November 2019 10: 37
      +15
      But what about the Federal Law of 12.07.1999 N 161-FZ
      RUSSIAN FEDERATION FEDERAL LAW ON MATERIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF MILITARY SERVERS Adopted by the State Duma on June 22, 1999 Approved by the Federation Council on June 25, 1999
      Contracted military personnel guilty of causing damage shall be liable in the amount of damage caused, but not more than two monthly salaries and two monthly allowances for length of service.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 November 2019 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: Rich
        But what about the Federal Law of 12.07.1999 N 161-FZ

        Then it’s clear - you can award, but you can’t recover.
      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 26 November 2019 10: 45
        +2
        This is already a matter of appeal. If the court’s decision is appealed and this rule of law works, the men will be lucky. what However, the law is that drawbar.
      3. svp67
        svp67 26 November 2019 11: 25
        +6
        Quote: Rich
        But what about the Federal Law of 12.07.1999 N 161-FZ

        And also ... you just need to read the WHOLE LAW, and not in part what you want ..
        Article 5. Full material liability of military personnel

        The military personnel are liable in full for damage in cases where the damage has been caused:
        .... as a result of criminal actions (inaction) of a soldier, established by a final court verdict;


        Here is the DECISION OF THE COURT, all according to the law ...
      4. opus
        opus 26 November 2019 19: 03
        -7
        Quote: Rich
        But what about the Federal Law of 12.07.1999 N 161-FZ

        works great
        Article 5 of this Federal Law was changed from July 30, 2017 - Federal Law of July 18, 2017 N 170-ФЗ
        The military personnel are liable in full for damage in cases where the damage has been caused:

        military personnel to whom property It was transferred under the report for storage, transportation, issuance, use and other purposes;

        as a result of criminal acts (inaction) serviceman established by a final court verdict;

        as a result of theft, deliberate destruction, damage, spoilage, illegal expenditure or use of property or other deliberate actions (inaction) regardless of whether they contain signs of corpus delicti provided for by the criminal legislation of the Russian Federation;

        deliberate actions of military personnel, which entailed the cost of treatment in medical organizations of military personnel affected by these actions;

        military personnel voluntarily intoxicated.
        1. iouris
          iouris 27 November 2019 14: 01
          0
          For friends - everything, for others - the law. Is there a law on the full return of billions stolen during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome?
      5. Alex bergman
        Alex bergman 27 November 2019 02: 40
        0
        Laws are not for everyone! But for the judges - their own laws! They made a decision - and there the grass did not grow. Is there any money? - go appeal. No money - keep quiet and pay! This is their task! He is such a law! Not for all...
        1. Andrey Shch
          Andrey Shch 27 November 2019 10: 37
          0
          I wonder what else the judges should do? They were obliged to make a decision, and they made it (more precisely, one judge in this case). And what kind of money are we talking about? The "crime" is appealed free of charge.
    2. anjey
      anjey 26 November 2019 10: 52
      -2
      Well, yes, and if not in Syria with military ones, in Russia paying 30 lemons doesn’t seem like much to you?
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Not bad they get there.
      1. Mikhail Zarokov
        Mikhail Zarokov 26 November 2019 13: 56
        +1
        well, they were taken from them in a divine way)). and then the very first link about the cost of calibers gives $ 6,5 million apiece
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 November 2019 15: 13
          -1
          Well, not 6,5 - but 1,5 million for sure, all the same on these missiles are GOS with radar and turbojet engines, the units are not cheap.
  3. bober1982
    bober1982 26 November 2019 10: 35
    +5
    In Soviet times, they would have deprived the thirteenth salary, well, the reprimand of the Komsomol (party), this would have been limited to, or hushed up everything that was most likely, how many there were — firing, launches and discharges.
    According to the Nazi comrades - tra-ta-ta, and the bomb went on the freeway (not ours)
  4. anjey
    anjey 26 November 2019 10: 40
    +4
    Learn better, they ruined the whole system of VATU and what did you create? Where are the techies being trained right now, in the troops directly, as in the ShMAS? What schools are technicians trained at?
  5. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 26 November 2019 10: 46
    +4
    It’s good that they survived. But now there is a guaranteed place of work.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 26 November 2019 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: 7,62x54
      It’s good that we survived

      Really lucky - it could have ended badly. Four years ago, the Americans' solid-fuel rocket engine "itself" flew in the warehouse:
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 November 2019 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      It’s good that they survived. But now there is a guaranteed place of work.

      Really lucky. Somehow, a SAPSist in the hangar did not check the receipts on the catapult (like, a catapult is not a rocket, right?), Then they scraped it off the ceiling of the shelter. Alas. On the other hand, there was a case when the same AVs, like these two, hung up the bomb "crookedly", it unhooked when the plane took off and flew into the village. I got into the yard of the house. Fortunately, no one was hurt. Some bought off with repairs and alcohol. They drove the AVshniks around a little, and back, to hang bombs. But this was the time when the commander of the unit was the body of inquiry and made the decision himself how to assess the offense. And right now - only the prosecutor's office, as I understand it. It seems to me that all the post-Soviet "reforms" did not make the army better.
      1. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 27 November 2019 11: 01
        +1
        Yes, you understand it wrong. The commander, as he was the body of inquiry, remained so. It is another matter that the prosecutor, as before, may now disagree with the decision of the commander and make his decision.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 28 November 2019 18: 03
          0
          Quote: Andrey Shch
          Yes, you understand it wrong. The commander, as he was the body of inquiry, remained so. It is another matter that the prosecutor, as before, may now disagree with the decision of the commander and make his decision.

          Oops! I looked, you're right hi . The only thing I can say from my interrogative (long-standing) experience is that we need to be friends with prosecutors more often, we never had any disagreements. drinks
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 November 2019 10: 53
    +11
    U! It happened! Were before the RF Armed Forces ... now the PIC of the RF ... (commercial armed forces of Russia ...) soldier bully crying
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 26 November 2019 11: 52
      +3
      Soon, everything will become subordinate to the Russian Guard.
  7. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 26 November 2019 11: 06
    0
    Is that the point?
  8. askort154
    askort154 26 November 2019 11: 08
    +4
    The Americans had "cooler". During the Vietnam War, on July 29, 1967, on the Forrestal aircraft carrier before the flight of the F 4 aircraft, from the underwing cassette, an MK-32 "Zini" projectile was launched, which fell into the fuel tank of another aircraft, a fire started, ammunition exploded and aerial bombs. The entire deck of the aircraft carrier was on fire.
    Killed 134 crew members of the aircraft carrier, and 161 injured. According to rumors, the rocket launched Jen McCain was in this aircraft. But this case was hushed up. His father was a four-star admiral, one of the founders of the US Navy’s aircraft carrier strategy.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 November 2019 15: 04
      0
      Quote: askort154
      According to rumors, the rocket launched Jen McCain was in this aircraft.

      McCain flew Skyhawks and had nothing to do in the Phantom cockpit. Moreover, the fire started on the plane next to McCain's Skyhawk, and the neighbor's missile could not get into it.
      The gunsmiths are guilty of that catastrophe, who, to reduce the preparation cycle for departure and in violation of instructions, connected PU cables directly with the suspension of weapons, before the aircraft switched to on-board power (accompanied by power surges in the on-board circuit). In the standard procedure, the launchers were connected only on the catapult, after the aircraft switched to the on-board power supply - in this case, the power surge could not reach the unconnected launcher, and an accidental launch for any other reason led to a shot at the AB course over the free deck.
  9. MsRedMaster
    MsRedMaster 26 November 2019 11: 09
    +16
    Complete nonsense. For what money to charge? Violated the charter, the law? So punish with a term conditional or real. And to collect the loot in honor of the state for which they served, which I taught them to be such nonsense!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 26 November 2019 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: MsRedMaster
      For what money to charge? Violated the charter, the law?

      good
      I remember:
      "The reason for the abnormal separation is the failure to open the cover of the oxidizer tank withdrawal nozzle of the D block due to the deformation of the separation contact sensor rod (bending for 6 to 45 minutes), which was allowed during the assembly of the" package "at the Baikonur cosmodrome." "This has been proven, documented," said Oleg Skorobogatov, chairman of the emergency commission, deputy general director of TsNIIMash.


      As a result of the events of October 11, I instructed to study the issue of double and triple reservation of all critical operations, whether it be separation of stages, the inclusion of appropriate mechanisms, units during the launch and operation of launch vehicles. This order will be executed in full, I will check it- said in an interview with TASS the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.

      request
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2019 15: 19
      -2
      They violated safety rules during the repair of a military missile. I believe that the actions of technicians and maintenance personnel should be perfected to automatism, without any: forgot, miss, leave and in the same spirit.
    3. Alex bergman
      Alex bergman 27 November 2019 02: 55
      0
      So that's it! Maybe they taught badly? But ... they taught at state expense! So why ask them ?! Let the state account and loaded for its oversight. As there was a mess in the army - and stayed! To my great regret.
      I switched from there a long time ago, but I keep in touch with my colleagues from time to time. With pleasure, everything is fine, but with the rest - not much has changed! As the house was foolish - it remained! These are linear parts.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 26 November 2019 11: 56
    +3
    How to deal with sloppiness ... yes there is no definitely reliable method, it is possible to reduce, but to eradicate to zero is not realistic.
  11. ZVS
    ZVS 26 November 2019 12: 09
    +1
    The idiocy of the accuser from the MO. Guys will never pay that kind of money, this time.
    The second is that it would be possible to write off this rocket, and punish the technicians. Imagine if a soldier is tried for an accidentally fired cartridge outside the shooting range. And this rocket, the same cartridge, only more expensive. Why then was the pilot "Admiral Kuznetsov" not tried, who abandoned a serviceable plane instead of going to the alternate airfield in Khmeinim? But the plane is not a consumable like a rocket. Probably because the boss with big stars was sitting in the cockpit, and not some kind of technician.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 26 November 2019 12: 32
      -2
      if they will judge a soldier for a randomly fired cartridge

      the soldier who shot the guard in Transbaikalia also needs to be sued for the spent ammunition. The law should be the same for all.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 November 2019 17: 23
      0
      Quote: SU
      The idiocy of the accuser from the MO. Guys will never pay that kind of money, this time.
      The second is that it would be possible to write off this rocket, and punish the technicians. Imagine if a soldier is tried for an accidentally fired cartridge outside the shooting range. And this rocket, the same cartridge, only more expensive. Why then was the pilot "Admiral Kuznetsov" not tried, who abandoned a serviceable plane instead of going to the alternate airfield in Khmeinim? But the plane is not a consumable like a rocket. Probably because the boss with big stars was sitting in the cockpit, and not some kind of technician.

      Something seems to me that the prosecutor is not from the Moscow Region, but from the Military Prosecutor's Office, which closes to the Prosecutor General, and not to the Moscow Region. And it was so in the CA, but with the difference that the primary investigators prepared the primary materials, which were guided not only by the letter of the law and charters, but also by the interests of the service.
      1. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 27 November 2019 10: 43
        0
        The prosecutor is really from the military prosecutor’s office, since the prosecution only legally supports the prosecution. But the civil lawsuit from the Moscow Region went, the article states. And I don’t see a difference with CA. You wrapped something interesting about the interests of the service. I wonder how it looked? I apologize for the tautology.
  12. K-50
    K-50 26 November 2019 12: 10
    +6
    Two aircraft from the Crimean airport of Saki will pay the Ministry of Defense of Russia about 31 million rubles for the accidentally launched Kh-29TD guided missile in the hangar.

    Hike technicians about 100 years now have to "work out" this rocket.
    With such absurd situations, no one wants to go to the army under the contract.
    It amazes me.
    Dozens of all kinds of "partners" are written off for weapons and military equipment billion dollars, completely to some left oligophrenics. For this, the last pennies are shaking from their own.
    Marasmus!!! am negative
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2019 15: 22
      -5
      And well, only those with a head working and those who do not relate to their duties on p ..... ki and dump will go.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 26 November 2019 16: 59
      0
      K-50, please remember, what was it supposed to be in: 1937, 1967? You think such gouging in the army, only 2 people. Others will look and say to themselves: I'd rather double-check once more than 30 blunders I will pay, and if they regret them and only threaten, what will others think?
      It’s also good that everything ended well, and if such a missile gets into the fuel and lubricants depot or the ammunition depot?
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 26 November 2019 17: 09
      0
      "Technicians will have to" work out "the hike for 100 years. You are trying to be a simple pensioner and a contract soldier. They are paid more than an ordinary pensioner
  13. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 12: 23
    -3
    Quote: maxim947
    This is an absolutely stupid and stupid decision, which is becoming a trend in the armed forces with the easy submission of the military prosecutor's office.
    Yes, to blame, but slobs. Declare strict and deprive bonuses and allowances for a year. And write off everything according to the inspection certificate. These are all the costs of military service and we must come to terms with this. In any case, the culprits will not pay this money, because the amounts are huge. The only thing that will be achieved is that they will be driven into complete bondage of the military and all his family until the end of their lives. ...

    And pay will not be involved. For losses in the budget are compensated by taxes from the people. The strongest scourge is the dollar, as some American president put it. (I don’t remember who said it, and it doesn’t matter.) Not only these gouges will be remembered, but also those who are engaged in such things. Duty will hang all your life. Neither go abroad, and change the name, nor disappear .... The writ of execution is the best anchor. And it is not a matter of damages at all. He still can not be compensated. The point is the education of idiots in uniform.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 26 November 2019 17: 27
      0
      Quote: wkd dvk
      Quote: maxim947
      This is an absolutely stupid and stupid decision, which is becoming a trend in the armed forces with the easy submission of the military prosecutor's office.
      Yes, to blame, but slobs. Declare strict and deprive bonuses and allowances for a year. And write off everything according to the inspection certificate. These are all the costs of military service and we must come to terms with this. In any case, the culprits will not pay this money, because the amounts are huge. The only thing that will be achieved is that they will be driven into complete bondage of the military and all his family until the end of their lives. ...

      And pay will not be involved. For losses in the budget are compensated by taxes from the people. The strongest scourge is the dollar, as some American president put it. (I don’t remember who said it, and it doesn’t matter.) Not only these gouges will be remembered, but also those who are engaged in such things. Duty will hang all your life. Neither go abroad, and change the name, nor disappear .... The writ of execution is the best anchor. And it is not a matter of damages at all. He still can not be compensated. The point is the education of idiots in uniform.

      Your speech is ridiculous - and. (in uniform or without) irreducible. Or maybe they put it wrong?
  14. tihon4uk
    tihon4uk 26 November 2019 12: 23
    +6
    And how many were recovered from Serdyukov for stolen billions? or from friends do not take?
  15. 3vs
    3vs 26 November 2019 12: 29
    +5
    The Central Bank and Sberbank lose billions and nothing ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2019 15: 25
      -3
      And how do they lose it - not selling anything and not withdrawing money from bonds, everything is in place and is waiting for the growth of quotations in the foreign and domestic market.
      1. 3vs
        3vs 26 November 2019 16: 14
        +3
        "The Central Bank has increased investments in the yuan and lost another $ 4 billion"
        finanz.ru/novosti/valyuty/cb-uvelichil-vlozheniya-v-yuan-i-poteryal-eshche-$4-mlrd-1028572055

        "Gref admitted the loss of billions of rubles due to artificial intelligence"
        rbc.ru/finances/26/02/2019/5c74f4839a7947501397823f
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 November 2019 00: 48
          -2
          So the day still lies where they were lying - no one took off from their accounts - quotes are in waves today, decline tomorrow growth, then again decrease growth, they will lie and wait for quotes to grow.
    2. iouris
      iouris 27 November 2019 01: 44
      0
      So you have to go to work in the Central Bank or in the Security Council.
  16. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 12: 31
    +1
    Quote: Cottodraton
    Most likely, they will not pay anything at all. In a couple of years, the debt will be written off "at the expense of the army" ... They are scared and that's it. Well, the state will then write off at the expense of the taxpayer.

    A court decision may be set aside only by a court, or by pardon of the President. Who will petition and initiate a review of the sentence? You think you write, first grader?
  17. Dmitry Medvedev_2
    Dmitry Medvedev_2 26 November 2019 12: 34
    -1
    Now wait for the grandmother of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation .... fellow
  18. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 12: 36
    -2
    Quote: K-50
    Two aircraft from the Crimean airport of Saki will pay the Ministry of Defense of Russia about 31 million rubles for the accidentally launched Kh-29TD guided missile in the hangar.

    Hike technicians about 100 years now have to "work out" this rocket.
    With such absurd situations, no one wants to go to the army under the contract.
    It amazes me.
    Dozens of all kinds of "partners" are written off for weapons and military equipment billion dollars, completely to some left oligophrenics. For this, the last pennies are shaking from their own.
    Marasmus!!! am negative

    . Discipline, and especially in parts where deadly weapons are used. Debt writing off is a political matter and not available to you. Do not confuse God's Gift with scrambled eggs. Returning damage from specific culprits - shows that this will happen with any ... distribution. And the return of the part is not a refund of everything. There are still losses, and they do not bring any political dividends. Only destroy the authority of the Army. If such drunkards and dolbaks go to serve, it is better if they are engaged in sweeping the streets. Less harm. Now, if damage will be claimed from EVERYONE, then you yourself will think at your work. So, the benefit is not from the towers that will be taken away, but from pulling up the races ... to the necessary condition. Including in civilian life.
  19. barsuk
    barsuk 26 November 2019 12: 52
    +1
    The guys served their homeland, rzhunemaga)
  20. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 13: 08
    -2
    Quote: Invoce
    After the end of the service, you also have to pay ... Until full repayment or amnesty .... Ohren! Who will go to the Army? Even if they are to blame, circumstances and commanders often push for violation of regulations and instructions .. I know from my own experience. The commander sets the task com. parts, those - com. divisions .... performers are tasked at all costs to do yesterday ... and the fact that the state is incomplete or there is no time on the schedule to carry out these tasks does not bother anyone ... but considering how courts make decisions - you will be baptized 10 times, doing what they require

    The army does not give orders for maintenance, incomprehensible by definition. Do not know, go clean the toilets.
    You are trusted to protect the lives of thousands, possibly millions of people. In wartime, in a combat situation, they shoot for the same thing. Brains and races .... I eat there is no place.
    1. From Siberia we
      From Siberia we 26 November 2019 16: 27
      0
      ohoy movies seen enough? in the army personnel shortage. no specialists. to whom and who set the task is not known. tolerances opened retroactively and all business
  21. awdrgy
    awdrgy 26 November 2019 13: 15
    +1
    In fact, financially dependent. There should be a difference between punishment and captivity (
  22. Altai72
    Altai72 26 November 2019 16: 37
    -1
    Not an adequate solution. We assume that the plates of children of these warriors feel better by 10-15%. In my opinion, this is not a way out of the situation. I do not think that our state has become so impoverished. And about the negligence of these people, I have no doubt. One could come up with a more effective and less serf way out of the situation. With this approach, I represent the motivation of these employees, and the example for the rest is not in that framework ...
  23. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 26 November 2019 16: 38
    +2
    Yeah, guys got specifically, the lesson to others will be good ..
  24. vladcub
    vladcub 26 November 2019 16: 38
    -1
    There are 100 pounds gouging. The happiness of these naggers is now on the calendar 2019, and not 1938. Otherwise, the military tribunal under article 58, part 3+ has a couple more articles and ... You yourself know what awaited them for this
  25. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 16: 41
    0
    Quote: From Siberia we
    ohoy movies seen enough? in the army personnel shortage. no specialists. to whom and who set the task is not known. tolerances opened retroactively and all business

    I served myself. 1967-1969 years.
    Further, for a quarter of a century he worked in KB as a leading designer. And I know for myself HOW WHAT they write in instructions for fulfillment by an illiterate village soldier. No executor - the officer is obliged to stand up and carry out. Do not want or can not, bring up a replacement.
  26. vladcub
    vladcub 26 November 2019 16: 43
    -2
    Quote: awdrgy
    In fact, financially dependent. There should be a difference between punishment and captivity (

    They were shot in 1937, and candles close to God would be put in order to live in some collective farm instead of Kolyma
  27. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 16: 48
    0
    Quote: Starper-777
    Yeah, guys got specifically, the lesson to others will be good ..

    resent the cruelty of punishment. In the head of the chaff, and not long shaken up, packed.
    They do not understand that impunity (I add from myself too pitiful, not equivalent punishment) gives rise to irresponsibility. They will be completely punished, hundreds of them will have something to fear and follow, without being distracted by chatter. In wartime, would be shot.
  28. Looking for
    Looking for 26 November 2019 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Fibrizio
    From the military registration and enlistment board of the medical commission, they were referred to the hospital for examination. After that, they didn’t want to take it, it’s limited fit.

    and how many Aesculapius unfastened for the diagnosis?
  29. Looking for
    Looking for 26 November 2019 17: 01
    0
    Quote: Vkd dvk
    You think you write, first grader?

    Yes, rather, you look like a first year. Know. What is an appeal?
  30. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 November 2019 17: 35
    0
    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: wkd dvk
    Quote: maxim947
    This is an absolutely stupid and stupid decision, which is becoming a trend in the armed forces with the easy submission of the military prosecutor's office.
    Yes, to blame, but slobs. Declare strict and deprive bonuses and allowances for a year. And write off everything according to the inspection certificate. These are all the costs of military service and we must come to terms with this. In any case, the culprits will not pay this money, because the amounts are huge. The only thing that will be achieved is that they will be driven into complete bondage of the military and all his family until the end of their lives. ...

    And pay will not be involved. For losses in the budget are compensated by taxes from the people. The strongest scourge is the dollar, as some American president put it. (I don’t remember who said it, and it doesn’t matter.) Not only these gouges will be remembered, but also those who are engaged in such things. Duty will hang all your life. Neither go abroad, and change the name, nor disappear .... The writ of execution is the best anchor. And it is not a matter of damages at all. He still can not be compensated. The point is the education of idiots in uniform.

    Your speech is ridiculous - and. (in uniform or without) irreducible. Or maybe they put it wrong?

    If everything is not educated, then just go full and wait for the master to fry or forgive. Do you have experience in which of the two?
  31. Tests
    Tests 26 November 2019 17: 54
    +3
    Dear visitors of the Military Review! All our discussions are empty shaking of air. Why? If the journalists did not confuse anything - and we all read in the retelling the verdict of the court of first instance, as "Kommerset writes" ... As it is written in the article, the decision was made: "Crimean garrison court." There is a district (naval) military court above the garrison court. The technicians have to scratch their heads and run, until the procedural deadlines are overslept, to the lawyers, write to the district (naval) court.That's when this court makes a decision - only then there will be a subject for hot, and not very much discussion.
  32. kit88
    kit88 26 November 2019 18: 01
    +5

    The most expensive thing on earth is stupidity. Because you have to pay the most for it ...
    The Era of Mercy

    they did not check the operability of the check mechanisms of one of the missiles by supplying current, which in turn led to the activation of the squib
    How could the investigation find out?
    Who pulled your tongue? There were only two of you. Who reported everything to the operas?
    Thought less will give? You, according to the article, have a maximum of 2 years of restriction in service, - they received a year and three and 31 million damage. This is a buy. They would be silent in a rag, but they read the rules to the investigator by letters. And you would have to sew. there is nothing. CIT and period. But no. Cases and damage are limited - 1 salary.
    How much people are not legally literate. And the lawyers in the Moscow Region are happy to try - they put 31 lemons on the boys.
    And we must think that these two will now continue to serve as before, steadfastly overcome all the hardships and deprivations of military service, will always be ready to go on guard and defense .... Something I strongly doubt it. Moreover, the border is nearby.
    1. shark
      shark 27 November 2019 11: 12
      +1
      Golden words. The guys blundered. If they carried the statutory regulatory nonsense - a maximum of nss would cost
  33. koksalek
    koksalek 26 November 2019 18: 50
    -1
    and only punished switchmen ??? And the higher soft-sitting in armchairs will again receive medals and titles? Well, as always, to whom the tops and to whom the roots
  34. sir_obs
    sir_obs 26 November 2019 19: 01
    0
    Therefore, according to tradition, the commander does not get a sinking ship, so as not to pay for it.
  35. Uncle_2
    Uncle_2 26 November 2019 20: 41
    0
    We must take the surname Serdyukov-Vasiliev, she otmazyvaet magic 150% or amnesty releases.
  36. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 26 November 2019 21: 18
    0
    Quote: Demon_is_ada
    Responsibility should be unconditional, but definitely it’s not worth bringing to insanity, here I completely agree with you. During the service in CA (urgent laughing ) I depleted the ammunition alone, that it took several lives to pay for them ... I remember how I launched two birds in a row past the target crying then I saw the glance of the deputy technician and understood how Lenin looked at the bourgeoisie, I still remember and embarrassingly become ATGM a primitive little one, that is, cheap relatively ... But what could I do? There were no simulators and there were my first starts, but then I could lay a racket over the embankment laughing , yeah ... The question is the quality of the selected human material and the ability to carry out the tasks, who allowed these technicians to such types of work? Wasn't the MO itself testing this way? I have been fond of psychology for a long time and I know very well in an hour and a half that you can perfectly comprehend a person completely, including his prospects ... That is, we save on drugs, do not want to attract the best, and then bend down and demand as for a normal salary ... Affective managers leaked to the Moscow Region laughing

    You don’t read articles at all, just headlines? Did you let the petur into the walls at the Shmatko warehouse, forgetting to put it on the fuse?
  37. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 26 November 2019 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Altai72
    Not an adequate solution. We assume that the plates of children of these warriors feel better by 10-15%. In my opinion, this is not a way out of the situation. I do not think that our state has become so impoverished. And about the negligence of these people, I have no doubt. One could come up with a more effective and less serf way out of the situation. With this approach, I represent the motivation of these employees, and the example for the rest is not in that framework ...

    And if the loader knocks over half a ton of brandy from the trucks, will you also feel sorry for him and you will consider that it is not he who is to blame, but the Earth's gravity? Poor and unhappy hand * op. Here the same "loaders" "overturned" the rocket.
  38. Alex bergman
    Alex bergman 27 November 2019 00: 07
    +1
    The worst thing in this situation is that a precedent has been created (and it’s not the first one) in judicial practice (which both lawyers and judges are oriented to - ask Egorova (a famous person)) - now any damage to property in the army is a personal financial responsibility! After such knowledge, I would not have joined the army under pain of the death penalty! Did not hit the target - minus the cost of a cartridge or shell! On the drive - cracked a motorbike - repair at your expense! Why the heck do I get such a VUS training ?! Better sit out in the police or in the civilian world! Believe me - %% 70 think so!
    1. impostor
      impostor 27 November 2019 18: 26
      0
      Do not sit out. Wrongly wave a baton, following the order, you will regress all the tens of thousands awarded by the ECHR, but already in euro money
  39. Mikhail Zarokov
    Mikhail Zarokov 27 November 2019 00: 41
    +1
    It is necessary, it is necessary to return the penalty companies ....
  40. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 27 November 2019 06: 18
    0
    After this, I would quit the service and not a foot in the army. So that later they hang me 100500 million .. when my preference is to save on property insurance. Yes, they went then.
  41. Roman Borisov
    Roman Borisov 27 November 2019 07: 37
    0
    They demanded that we return the bumblebees and flies that were shot during the battle!
  42. Roman Borisov
    Roman Borisov 27 November 2019 07: 41
    0
    I think so, God forbid the war begins, the soldiers of the BK will have to buy themselves.
  43. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 27 November 2019 07: 52
    0
    commerce in uniform ... just this case for raising the prestige of the army. Give each cartridge at the expense of the shooter. Yes, and it would not hurt to include grub in the price price, otherwise Panimash is hauling for free wassat
  44. shark
    shark 27 November 2019 11: 09
    0
    All. in general, it’s more profitable not to serve. It is necessary to quit, look for a job with a gray salary, a writ of execution and 1000 rubles each. per month. Well, what for they do it? What kind of fighting spirit in the army can we talk about if such sums of deductions? It’s not possible to monetize an army. This is sad. Guilty, in the mind, it was necessary to be judged by a court of officer honor and dismissed in disgrace. That would be indicative. When accountants come to the army, the army ends ...
  45. rc56
    rc56 27 November 2019 22: 59
    0
    LET'S CONTACT "TO MARX":
    Federal Law of July 12, 1999 N 161-FZ "On the Material Responsibility of Servicemen" (with amendments and additions) Chapter II. Material liability of servicemen (Articles 4 - 5)
    ...
    Article 4. Limited liability of servicemen:
    1. For damage caused by negligence in the performance of military service duties, military personnel undergoing military service under a contract and citizens called up for military training shall be liable in the amount of damage caused by them, but not more than one monthly salary and one monthly salary allowances for length of service; military personnel who are in military service on conscription - no more than two monthly salaries, unless otherwise established by this Federal Law and other regulatory legal acts of the Russian Federation for military personnel.
    ...
    Article 5. Full material liability of military personnel:
    The military personnel are liable in full for damage in cases where the damage has been caused:
    - military personnel to whom the property was transferred under a report for storage, transportation, extradition, use and other purposes;
    - as a result of criminal actions (inaction) of a soldier established by a court verdict that has entered into legal force;
    - as a result of theft, deliberate destruction, damage, damage, illegal expenditure or use of property or other intentional actions (inaction), regardless of whether they contain signs of corpus delicti provided for by the criminal legislation of the Russian Federation;
    - deliberate actions of military personnel, which entailed the cost of treatment in medical organizations of military personnel affected by these actions;
    - military personnel voluntarily intoxicated.

    As you can see, the court determined liability under Article 5, t. "the property was transferred for ... other purposes."
    Defendants may appeal, which is most likely already done, which will say
    - about their lack of criminal intentions to launch a rocket and the same intentions to ignore instructions as well as intent to destroy ammunition;
    - the absence in the court materials of a medical examination that established the fact of their voluntary self-intoxication ...
    From which it will follow that the destruction of the rocket occurred due to the negligence shown by him and the responsibility should be re-qualified to Article 4.
    Those. the real material deduction should not exceed one monthly salary + one-month allowance for long service.
  46. zvonix
    zvonix 28 November 2019 00: 44
    0
    Rave!!!!! 15 000 000 rub / 15 000 rub / 12 months = 83,3 years. This is called slavery !!!
  47. 0389db
    0389db 28 November 2019 04: 44
    +1
    I wonder what everyone is so worried about? For me, everything is logical, 2 gouging ruined the equipment, due to NOT EXECUTING THEIR DIRECT OBLIGATIONS. The court imposed a completely fair punishment, a very mild one so that they could leave the forest.
    Interestingly, all those who gouging justifies, in a similar situation, if they had personally appeared in the place of the State, would they also have been limited to reprimand? For example, you drove a car into a service, and there the mechanic mixed up the wires and mixed the car and burned it. And you are so well, he’s not on purpose, reprimand him, and I’ll buy a new car for myself. Something I doubt very much that this will happen, everyone will run to court together and will demand 100% compensation, moreover, immediately and with compensation for non-pecuniary damage.
    It is precisely because of this attitude that we have only one handshake around, and we would jam more often and more strictly, you would look and people would take a closer look at fulfilling their duties and worry about the result.
    1. Mayan
      Mayan 29 June 2020 17: 53
      0
      .. + matotvetstvennost military commanders (+ perpetrators) .. other responsibility + .. material insurance of chiefs, officers (perpetrators) ..