The origin of the "Lightning". What is Ukrainian reverse engineering of French ASMP-A capable of?

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As you know, recently published on news For obvious reasons, information about the announcement of the project of a promising multipurpose tactical missile Molniya (Bliskavka) was greeted by a real flurry of sarcastic comments from Russian and foreign observers who knew about the goals of developing the advanced brainchild of the Dnipropetrovsk Yuzhnoye design bureau. and the real state of affairs in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.





And this is not at all surprising, since it is easy to assume that the promising product is being designed exclusively within the framework of an increasingly likely confrontation between Ukrainian military units and air defense units of the 1 and 2 th LDNR army corps, the support of which the Russian air defense forces are quite ready to provide. The likelihood of such an escalation scenario in the Donbass theater of operations increased in direct proportion to the crushing fiasco that the Western coalition forces controlled the Syrian theater in the northern and central regions of the eastern coast of the Euphrates, which literally overturned the Pentagon’s dominant positions in the Middle East region.

Obviously, in order to save face before the most inveterate “hawkish” electorate of US leader Donald Trump, the current White House administration, the State Department and the US defense department will attempt to play the most efficient “Ukrainian card” in the foreseeable future. So, for example, today it is already known that the Armed Forces command "carte blanche" for the use of anti-tank missile systems FGM-148 "Javelin" in the Donbass. This opportunity was achieved through the quick integration of Kiev into the FMS (“Foreign Military Sales”) foreign military sales program as a full-fledged participant (at the defense departments of Poland, Romania, Japan, etc.), which cannot but cause concern among experts circles of political scientists and military experts.

Shadow military-technical support from Western European and American defense concerns is the main reason for the appearance of modern types of precision weapons in the hands of the criminal Ukrainian regime. From Alder to Lightning


Now let's move on to assessing the viability of the project of the promising tactical Molniya missile under the current “non-competitive” conditions, as well as forecasting and analyzing its design parameters that pose a threat to various anti-aircraft missile systems that are in service with the LDNR army corps and air defense missile systems VKS, Air Defense Forces of the Ground Forces and VKS of Russia.

At first glance, starting from the data that “appeared” on the Ukrainian Internet in May 2015, we could safely conclude that the specialists of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and the National Aerospace University named after NOT. Zhukovsky "Kharkov aviation Institute ”was not“ ripe ”for designing high-precision high-precision samples saturated with critical technologies weapons, not to mention the launch of large-scale production of such products. After all, there was a bitter experience in the conceptual design of a multi-purpose invisible tactical missile with an unknown index, which is a conceptual and constructive hybrid of the Norwegian subsonic ASM NSM and the American AGM-84H / K SLAM-ER. The above concept was never implemented “in hardware”, not to mention the achievement of the level of operational combat readiness, which formed a stereotype in the halls of the minds of observers about the inability of Ukrainian defense enterprises to develop and “bring to mind” promising high-precision weapons. Meanwhile, far from everything in this scenario is so unambiguous.

Since 2015, Ukrainian defense enterprises have received substantial financial injections and military-technical support both from the defense departments of the leading member states of the North Atlantic Alliance, and from the largest American and Western European military-industrial corporations. The most significant “fruit” of this military-technical interaction was the very successful and unexpected finalization of the project for the promising high-precision 300-mm MLRS Alder, developed by the Kiev Design Bureau “Luch” with the assistance of Western experts.

A distinctive feature of the 300-mm corrective rockets of the Alder system is the presence of a unique control system based on 75 radially-located gas-dynamic torque control engines, five “belts” of which are located in front of the center of mass of the projectile and are accurately controlled by a powerful digital computer as part of the inertial navigation system of the projectile . It is well known that such a constructive solution found its application in the gas-dynamic control system of the American missile defense MIM-104F PAC-3MSE of the Patriot PAC-3MSE systems. Therefore, one of the key suppliers of critical technologies for the formation of Alder can safely be considered the headquarters of Raytheon Corporation.

As for the model demonstration of the Molniya multi-purpose tactical missile, which was presented to the public during the 2019 Arms and Security exhibition, here we can safely speak about the participation of specialists from the French division of the MBDA defense rocket corporation (Matra BAE Dynamics Alenia) in study and aerodynamic layout of the glider of the Ukrainian product and the architecture of its power plant. Having familiarized yourself with the photo of the Lightning prototype, you can pay attention to its constructive similarity with the French heavy supersonic tactical missile ASMP-A, which is one of the key links in the nuclear component of the French Armed Forces.

In particular, the Lightning control system (as well as ASMP-A) is represented by developed X-oriented tail aerodynamic rudders, which theoretically allow the rocket to carry out intensive anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of about 20 units. Also, the Ukrainian product has a similar design of a supersonic integrated rocket-ram engine, due to the lateral arrangement of air intakes and air ducts of external architecture, with the only difference being that the ASMP-A air intakes have a vertical slope of the air intake shells in the configuration a la F-15C, and the edges of the air intakes “ Lightning "have a horizontal slope.

Despite the fact that the Molniya rocket, which has a supersonic IRPD, cannot be included in the list of hypersonic means of aerospace attack under any sauce, the confident achievement of the speed range in 3,5 — 4M can turn it into a formidable tool for overcoming “missile defense umbrellas” formed by self-propelled air defense systems "Tor-M1 / 2" and air defense systems "Buk-M1 / 2", with velocities of targets hit 700 and 1100 m / s, respectively. Moreover, the presence of a ramjet engine preserves the aforementioned range of Lightning speed (and, therefore, maneuvering qualities) even at the terminal portion of the flight path due to the availability of a computerized system for regulating the supply of solid fuel charge into the combustion chamber of an integral ramjet engine.

This feature allows you to significantly prolong the period of operation of the engine. Obviously, the implementation of the Lightning project, with the support of the French MBDA division, may indicate the integration of a high-performance ANN missile based on a computer with high computing capabilities into the avionics. Conclusion: in the future, such a tactical missile will be able to realize a whole range of flight profiles (from low-altitude and mixed to high-altitude). During the implementation of the high-altitude flight profile, the “vertical dive” mode can be activated on the target at angles from 75 to 87 degrees, which poses a serious threat to the Tor-M1 / 2, and C-300ПМ1 air defense systems with an 52-degree “dead” funnel ”in the upper hemisphere due to the limitation of the elevation angle of the rays of guidance radars at the level of 64 degrees.

Meanwhile, the impressive effective reflective surface of various modifications of Lightning at the level of 0,2 — 0,3 sq. m, due to the absence of angular contours of the airframe, the external arrangement of rectangular air intakes and the presence of radio-contrast antenna arrays of active and passive radar homing heads, provides the possibility of direction finding at a distance of 120-150 km through the radars 50Н6 of the anti-aircraft missile systems X and VUMX and C after which even a hypothetical outfit of maneuvering "Lightning" can be destroyed by super-maneuverable anti-aircraft guided missiles 350М9DM.

Similarly, the likely development of the Lightning project will pose absolutely no threat to the Buk-M3 advanced military air defense systems, whose ammunition boasts the presence of 9M317M navy interceptor missiles with a thrust vector deflection system and an active homing radar.
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  1. +2
    17 October 2019 04: 53
    Most of all in this project, the desire of the Ukrainian brothers to expand widespread international cooperation with NATO countries is encouraging. If Raytheon and Matra BAE Dynamics Alenia technologies are truly integrated there, it's just a miracle!
    After a very short time, these technologies will be in our hands laughing
    But I'm afraid all this is just a dream ... who can give him ...
    1. +1
      17 October 2019 08: 09
      Quote: Mityai65
      Most of all in this project, the desire of the Ukrainian brothers to expand widespread international cooperation with NATO countries is encouraging. If Raytheon and Matra BAE Dynamics Alenia technologies are truly integrated there, it's just a miracle!
      After a very short time, these technologies will be in our hands laughing
      But I'm afraid all this is just a dream ... who can give him ...

      Alas, miracles sometimes happen.
      Alas, Europe plunges into US initiatives, and then wonders how I ended up here, because I didn’t want that. The United States is always behind the puddle, and Europe is clearing shards. Hitler had to jump on us, after Czechoslovakia, and jumped on France and England (the Polish adventure is a trifle). Poland, once again, can get a surprise from claps. And to get a section, there are those who wish. It turns out that Warsaw from the very beginning spoke a mov before the Poles arrived.
    2. +1
      17 October 2019 10: 18
      I think that there are not fools sitting there. Neither mattress covers, nor the French, will pass on any serious novelties to the banderlog, because they are well aware of the venality of these guys. And second, the author forgot a little that the majority of specialized specialists from the square have already "faded". The last, but very vivid example - the general designer of "Antonov", Kiva left for Azerbaijan. Others piled earlier. Yesterday's graduates of KhAI need more years of practice before they can do anything. If they do not go far away over the years. Kuyevskoye KB "Luch" is simply modifying old Soviet developments for modern hardware components and software. Something fundamentally new, in the near foreseeable future - I am tormented by vague doubts ...
    3. +2
      18 October 2019 13: 56
      Quote: Mityai65
      But I'm afraid all this is just a dream ... who can give him.

      The super-tech of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex Molot mortar sends warm greetings to the Molniya developers!
  2. 0
    17 October 2019 06: 10
    If the West decides to give Ukraine such technologies, then it (the West) must be 146% sure that they will not get to us. Is the west sure?
    1. +1
      17 October 2019 10: 22
      Quote: Maximilian37
      (west) must be 146% sure that they will not fall


      Won't hit laughing laughing laughing

      It is still necessary to get acquainted with the "technology", but under Ze the specialists will not even be informed that they have a job. What for? The girl on the Internet will find out everything and justify the decision. All that remains is to read the speech.
      1. 0
        17 October 2019 14: 39
        Are you by any chance not one of those who pull out the words you need from the text?)
  3. 0
    17 October 2019 07: 04
    - a similar constructive solution has found its application in the gas-dynamic control system of American missile defense

    therefore, they cannot even knock down copies of scadas made from water pipes.
    what technologies are in the pope - V-2 level
  4. +3
    17 October 2019 07: 45
    What the author writes:
    Shadow military-technical support from Western European and American defense concerns is the main reason for the appearance of modern types of precision weapons in the hands of the criminal Ukrainian regime. From Alder to Lightning

    In my opinion, pure nonsense. No one will ever transfer to Ukraine any military technology. It is easier for Western manufacturers to supply finished products. They also understand that these technologies can very easily be in Russia.
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 10: 23
      If only in Russia. They may be in China, Iran, North. Korea. Yes, anywhere who can offer 100 - 150 thousand dollars. The extreme will of course be appointed, but the one who stole it is unlikely to be found.
  5. +8
    17 October 2019 07: 58
    Damantsev's articles with 100% probability can be identified by the title. wassat
  6. +2
    17 October 2019 08: 10
    Kiev’s integration into the FMS (“Foreign Military Sales”) program of foreign military sales as a full-fledged participant (at the level of the defense departments of Poland, Romania, Japan, etc.), which cannot but cause concern among expert circles of political scientists and military specialists.

    the new Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or union .... this is really an unpleasant phenomenon also because they have one cartridge, peppy and peppy, whose decisions are very normal to recognize as normal.
    It's time to get ready to throw a cry "Get up, a huge country, get up on ....!"
    It was, we will break through, but somehow I really do not want a repetition of what already happened!
    Will, will not ... nothing is impossible to exclude! One must be prepared for everything.
  7. +2
    17 October 2019 08: 21
    Who to us with what and why, that from that and that ....
  8. +3
    17 October 2019 08: 27
    Shadow military-technical support from Western European and American defense concerns is the main reason for the appearance of modern types of precision weapons in the hands of the criminal Ukrainian regime. From Alder to Lightning

    question number one - who officially (even the Russian Federation) called the Ukrainian "regime" criminal?
    All, including the Russian Federation, are partners. Let there be from consent to territorial disputes - but all partners.
    No one called. So the author is lying, well, or shoves a gag into analytics, turning the analytics into his opinion.
    Second, how many "analysts" "sanitized" that "Ukraine Khan", by all means, abandoned her. They will give nothing and nothing at all. And soon the Russian Federation wines on all fronts and Ukraine will fall apart and crawl ..
    A lot of. So what kind of cooperation? Where are the caps, author?
    It turns out that the "Damned West" is to blame that Ukraine has developed Soviet and Russian technologies! The Russian partners have nothing to do with it .. all the damned West reached out .. Well, yes, we shift the blame. And today's Ukraine is a full-fledged fruit of the efforts of the Russian Federation and no one else. No country has influenced Ukraine so much all these years as the Russian Federation. And everything that happened in the country was under the "strict control" of the Russian partners.
    Maybe the Russian Federation needed a tangible "weak but aggressive enemy" for a small victorious .. And then all the same, the Klyaty West is too strong. But here everything is simpler. You can win without leaving the screen.
    In general, if the Damned West really helps with high technologies, then the article is at odds with other analysts who “destroyed Ukraine back in 2014” froze it and abandoned the Russian Federation.
    And who is right? If they hang noodles with caps, and then again, and then not everything is so good!
  9. +2
    17 October 2019 08: 37
    Damantsev as Damantsev, heaped horrors, glancing at the photo of the layout, which is still unknown whether it will come to life or not, and will remain a layout for exhibitions.
    Moreover, the presence of a ramjet engine preserves the aforementioned range of Lightning speeds (and, therefore, maneuvering qualities) even in the terminal section of the flight path due to the presence of a computerized system for regulating the supply of solid fuel charge into the combustion chamber of an integral ramjet engine.

    The logo of the Zaporozhye design bureau Ivchenko-Progress is applied on the mock-up, but he never made such engines, he always worked with gas turbine engines. Therefore, the question of "hypersonic" is a big question.

    provides the possibility of direction finding at a distance of 120-150 km by means of 50H6 illumination radars of anti-aircraft missile systems and S-350 Vityaz

    Radar direction finding?
    Silen Damantsev in air defense ...

    And about the gas-dynamic wheels from the American air defense system in the Ukrainian MLRS looks frankly ridiculous.
    Where are the air defense systems, where the MLRS.
    As if, apart from the Americans, no one can do such rudders, and they just have something unique.
    Not to mention the fact that the transfer to Ukraine of such technologies from the West, and not finished products, is in itself from the realm of fantasy.
  10. -1
    17 October 2019 09: 10
    Domansev is a clone of the sexton.
    In itself humiliates such cooperation.
    1. +1
      17 October 2019 14: 49
      The forest, however, Evgeny Damantsev learns from his mistakes and tries to write without mistakes ... But not everything is working out so far!
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 11: 36
        And the sexton also learns from his mistakes and composes new ones)
  11. 0
    17 October 2019 15: 51
    "for the advanced military air defense systems" Buk-M3 "" - you just do not report this to the commission on the downed Boeing.
  12. +1
    17 October 2019 17: 16
    Yes, ssbstvenno, there and with "Alder" is not yet clear. The fact that the money has been spent is understandable. And I do not remember field tests at exercises. The launches from the "Smerch" were shown, but no one saw where they hit.