About "Russian aggression" in Norway

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75 years ago, in October 1944 of the year, the Red Army carried out the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation. As a result, the Soviet Arctic and Northern Norway were liberated from German invaders. In modern Norway, the myth of the "Soviet occupation" and the "Russian threat" is created.

About "Russian aggression" in Norway




"Russian threat"


They are trying to combine past “grievances” with new ones. Allegedly, Russian special forces violated the borders of Norway and "Russians threaten Norwegian sovereignty." The Norwegian king is urged not to participate in the celebration of the 75 anniversary of liberation if Russian representatives are invited to Kirkenes.

In an open letter to Valing Gorter offers the Norwegian monarch does not participate in the celebration of the 75 anniversary of the liberation of Norway in October 2019, if it is proved that the Russian special forces violated the sovereignty of Norway, including on Spitsbergen. The author also expresses doubts about the "liberation" of Norway. In his opinion, Stalin conducted an operation in the North of Europe only with the goal of "expanding the line of defense." In addition, the Russians allegedly were in no hurry with the start of the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation, they waited until October 7 for 1944, saving people and equipment. And on October 3, an order to retreat came from Berlin, so "not so many Soviet soldiers died on Norwegian soil." “Not so much”: over 6 thousand people - irretrievable losses and more than 15 thousand people - sanitary. It turns out that the Russians were advancing after the Germans left and “fought” mainly with broken roads. Kirkenes basically did not see the fighting and it was burned by the retreating German troops.

The situation is similar with the current Russian military exercises, the purpose of which is supposedly control over Spitsbergen and the Barents Sea. According to the author, at present “the same expansion of defense” is taking place in Russia as before the USSR, corresponding to the current situation. Against Norway and its allies. And if the Russian special forces are currently violating the sovereignty of Norway, then "we are entering a new phase of relations, although the traditions of such incidents have existed for a long time." And Norway should not get inside the line of defense of Russia, which "it is building against us and our allies within our state borders." The 75 anniversary of the “expansion of the USSR defense line,” which included East Finnmark (Norway's northernmost administrative territorial unit), cannot be celebrated.

It is worth noting that this is not the first accusation of the USSR by Norwegian stakeholders. In Norway, whose citizens actively supported the Third Reich and fought for it, they accused the Soviet Union of "the genocide of the Sami people." During the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation, the retreating German troops and Norwegian collaborators used the scorched earth tactics. The Nazis destroyed the entire infrastructure of the region and deported 50 thousand Sami community. About 300 people died. In Norway, they called this event "called" the greatest disaster in stories countries". It came to such impudence that the USSR was accused of the fact that the advancing Red Army "provoked" the Nazis to destroy and evict the population.

Norwegians in the armed forces of the Third Reich


Composing the “grievances” that the Soviet Union inflicted on Norway, and participating in the creation of the myth of the “Russian threat” to the world community at present, Oslo tries not to recall that the kingdom was de facto an ally of Hitler during the Second World War.

Hundreds of Norwegian volunteers fought the USSR during the Soviet-Finnish War 1939 — 1940. In April 1940, ahead of England and France, Germany occupied Norway. The management of the occupation forces in Norway and the control of the Norwegian administration as the Reich Commissioner of Norway were entrusted to Obergruppenführer Terboven. The Norwegian Nazi Vidkun Quisling was appointed Acting Prime Minister, Head of the Norwegian Civil Administration (since 1942 - Norwegian Prime Minister).

Having captured Norway, Berlin decided for itself several strategic tasks. Firstly, the Germans did not allow England and France to occupy Norway, to occupy a strategic bridgehead in Northern Europe against the Third Reich. Now Norway was the strategic bridgehead of the German Empire, the base for surface and underwater fleet, aviationthat threatened the British Isles and the USSR. Non-freezing northern ports provided good opportunities for operations in the North Atlantic and the Arctic Ocean. Secondly, the Germans retained access to strategic raw materials. In particular, to the Swedish iron ore, which was exported through the Norwegian port of Narvik. Thirdly, the Nazi elite regarded the Norwegians, like other peoples of the German language group, as part of the future "new world order", the "Nordic race" of the masters.

The Norwegian German army (three army corps) was deployed in Norway, which used the country as a springboard to attack the Soviet Union. Also, part of the German fleet was based in Norwegian ports, and aircraft of the 5 air fleet were based at airfields. 29 June 1941 the German army "Norway" went on the offensive in Soviet territory, delivering the main blow to Murmansk and auxiliary attacks on Kandalaksha and Ukhta. By the end of 1941, the number of German troops in Norwegian territory reached 400 thousand people. Norway has become an important naval base for the Third Reich in the North Atlantic. Stalin even suggested that Churchill open a second front in Norway. However, the British prime minister refused, due to the unpreparedness and lack of allied forces for such an operation.

Already in the autumn of 1940, the Norwegian Nazis proposed the formation of Norwegian units in the German armed forces. This initiative was supported by the Norwegian pro-German government of Quisling. According to Quisling, the participation of the Norwegians in the war on the side of the Third Reich provided them with a privileged position in the future “new world order”. In December 1940, Quisling in Berlin agreed to begin the formation of the Norwegian volunteer unit as part of the SS troops. In January 1941, the Norwegian leadership sent an official request to Berlin to allow Norwegian volunteers to serve in the SS troops. The Germans responded positively. 13 January 1941 Mr. Widkun Quisling addressed the people on the radio with an appeal to record as volunteers in the SS regiment Nordland.

On January 28, 1941, the first 200 Norwegian volunteers, mostly members of the Nazi paramilitary organization Hird, in the presence of SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler, Norwegian Reich Commissioner Terboven and Quisling, swore allegiance to the “German leader” Adolf Hitler. Norwegians were enrolled in the SS Nordland regiment as part of the 5th tank SS Viking divisions (later this regiment became the core of the 11th SS Nordland Motorized Infantry Division). Some Norwegian volunteers served in other parts of the SS. Norwegian SS men fought in Little Russia, the Don, the North Caucasus, near Leningrad, in Hungary and Yugoslavia. Norwegians also fought in the 6th SS mountain division “Nord” in the Murmansk region.

In the summer of 1941, a wide information campaign began in Norway to attract volunteers to the SS troops. The Norwegian writer Nobel Prize Laureate Knut Gamsun actively participated in it. Recruitment centers were opened in the cities, where more than 2 thousand people arrived. In July 1941, the first volunteers were sent to Germany (training camps in Kiel). On 1 on August 1941 the Norwegian SS Legion was created (SS Legion "Norway"). The first commander of the legion was the former colonel of the Norwegian army, Sturmbanführer SS Jorgen Bakke. In October, the legion totaled over 1 thousand fighters. It consisted of one infantry battalion (three infantry companies and one machine gun company), one anti-tank company and a platoon of war correspondents.

In February 1942, the Legion "Norway" arrived near Luga (Leningrad Region). The Norwegian Legion became part of the 2 SS Infantry Brigade. Norwegians fought on the front line and carried out patrol service. So, after heavy fighting in April 1942 near Pulkovo in the Norwegian Legion, 600 people remained. Over the next months, despite the constantly growing replenishment, bringing the size of the Norway legion to 1100 — 1200 people, heavy losses constantly reduced the number of Norwegian volunteers to 600 — 700 people. Also, the 1 SS police company was formed from volunteers (it was recruited from the Norwegian police), it also acted in the Leningrad direction; a police ski company (then a battalion) as part of the 6 SS mountain division, which fought in the Murmansk direction; The 2 SS Police Company as part of the 6 SS Mountain Division; 6 SS Security Battalion, formed in Oslo, etc.

In August 1943, the pro-German Quisling government declared war on the Soviet Union. In January 1944, it was decided to mobilize 70 thousand people for service in the Wehrmacht. However, mobilization failed, the war was coming to an end. Germany was defeated and there were few who wanted to die. On 2 of May 1945, the last Norwegian SS men capitulated along with the rest of the Wehrmacht's Berlin group. In total, through the Norwegian units as part of the SS troops on the Russian Front for 1941 — 1945. 6 thousand of Norwegians passed, of which about 1 thousand died.



In addition, about 500 Norwegian volunteers served in the German Navy. In 1941, the Norwegian pro-German government formed the Volunteer Air Corps under the command of the famous Arctic and Antarctic explorer polar pilot Trigve Gran. About 100 Norwegians joined the German Air Force. Thousands of Norwegians also served in paramilitary construction organizations that built important facilities (fortifications, bridges, roads, an airfield, docks, etc.) in Germany, Italy, France, and Finland. In 1941 — 1942 12 thousand Norwegians were involved in the construction of highways in the frontline zone in Northern Finland. At various times from 20 to 30, thousands of Norwegians served in Todt's paramilitary organization, in the Viking Task Force, which was engaged in the construction of military facilities in Finland and Norway. Norwegian volunteers were employed in the transport and security units of the Wehrmacht. Guarded the concentration camps. On the territory of Norway, 15 500 citizens of the USSR and 2839 citizens of Yugoslavia died in the camps. Norwegian women served as nurses in the Wehrmacht military hospitals.

In total during the Second World War with weapons up to 15 thousands of Norwegians fought in the hands of the Third Reich and tens of thousands more voluntarily worked for the glory of the Third Reich. For comparison, by the end of the war, the Norwegian armed forces, subordinate to the Norwegian government in exile, totaled about 4,5 thousand infantry, 2,6 thousand Air Force personnel and 7,4 thousand Navy employees.

Thus, the facts show that Norway fought on the side of the Third Reich. Thousands of Norwegians served in the armed forces of Germany, took part in aggression against the USSR, fought on the Eastern Front, tens of thousands worked for Hitler's victory. The Norwegian SS men participated in the genocide of the Soviet (Russian) people in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR and the RSFSR. Thousands of Soviet citizens died in concentration camps in Norway, which were also guarded by Norwegian citizens. There is no limit to the hypocrisy and cynicism of our "Western partners." During World War II, they fought together for Hitler and openly supported the "German European Union." And after the Red Army took Berlin, they unanimously declared themselves "members of the anti-Hitler coalition", "victims of Nazism", and now they accuse the Russians of aggression, the USSR-Russia.


Vidkun Quisling (left) and Terboven (right) before the militia formation of the organization "Druzhina"



Norwegian legionnaires arrive in the USSR. Autumn 1941 of the year. Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org


Battle for the north


By the beginning of October 1944, the Nazis continued to hold positions in the Arctic. The 19 German mountain corps of the 20 Army (about 3 infantry divisions, 53 thousand people, 753 guns and mortars, 27 tanks and self-propelled guns, 160 aircraft) occupied a foothold in the Petsamo area. The Germans relied on a powerful defense, where natural obstacles were reinforced by long-term structures. Also, German forces could support the fleet, which was based in Northern Norway. There was the battleship Tirpitz, one and a half hundred combat (including 12 - 14 destroyers, up to 30 submarines) and auxiliary ships. The Murmansk destination was important for Berlin because of strategic considerations. Control over this area allowed Germany to receive strategic raw materials for the military industry - copper, nickel and molybdenum. The region was also important for the Third Reich as a strategic bridgehead for the fleet and the Air Force.

Finland's withdrawal from the war and the successful offensive of the 19 and 26 armies of the Karelian front in September, which disrupted the Germans' plan to withdraw the main forces of the 20 mountain army to the Petsamo region, created favorable conditions for the advance of the Red Army in the Arctic. On the Soviet side, the troops of the 14 Army (from the Karelian Front) participated in the operation under the command of General Shcherbakov, consisting of 5 Rifle Corps and 1 Operational Group (8 Rifle Divisions, 6 Rifle and 1 Tank Brigades), in total about 100 thousand people over 2100 guns and mortars, 126 tanks and self-propelled guns. Also, the 7 Air Army (about 700 aircraft), and the forces of the Northern Fleet (two marines, reconnaissance squad, ship detachment and air group - 275 aircraft).



The Soviet high command set the main goal of the defeat of the enemy group, the capture of Petsamo (Pechenga), then - Norwegian Kirkenes. 7 October 1944 year, the shock group of the 14 Army launched an offensive (Tenth Stalinist strike: Petsamo-Kirkenes operation) from the area south of the lake. Chap bypassing the right flank of the German corps. By October 10, parts of the 131 rifle corps intercepted the Titovka-Petsamo road, parts of the 99 rifle corps crossed the river. Titovka, and the 126 and 127 corps bypassed German positions south of Luostari. On the night of October 10, the Soviet fleet (30 boats) landed units of the 63th Marine Brigade in Mattivuono. At the same time, the 12-I Marine Corps attacked on the isthmus of the Sredny Peninsula and captured the Musta-Tunturi ridge. Endangered, the German forces began a retreat.

On October 12, scouts of the Northern Fleet, landed by boats, took possession of batteries at Cape Krestovy after fierce battles. 13 - On 14 on October, paratroopers and units of the 63th Marine Brigade occupied Linahamari. Thus, a threat was created surrounding Pechenga from the north. On October 15, our troops occupied Pechenga-Petsamo, on October 22 - Nickel. Landings were planted in the bays of Suolavuono and Aresvuono, which contributed to the capture of the Norwegian settlement Tornet on October 24. On October 25, parts of the 141 Corps, with the support of the landing, took Kirkenes. On October 29, our troops stopped their advance in Norway, reaching the line north of Neiden and southwest of Nautsi.

Thus, Soviet troops liberated the area of ​​the Soviet Arctic and Northern Norway. After the end of the Great War, Soviet troops were withdrawn from Northern Norway (in September 1945 of the year).


Soldiers of the 12th Northern Fleet Marine Brigade at the firing position of a captured German coastal battery in Liinahamari (Petsamo Fjord)



181th Northern Fleet Special Reconnaissance Unit. 1944 g., After the capture of Cape Cross. On 12 on October 1944, a detachment under the command of Lieutenant Viktor Leonov attacked two German batteries at Cape Krestovoy, which controlled the entrance to Petsamo Bay, and captured them, ensuring the landing of a naval assault. Source: http://waralbum.ru
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  1. +14
    10 October 2019 05: 30
    Dear Alexander, due to the nature of my work, I had to equip the North of our country with radio navigation systems for a long time. I met there, and then in Leningrad with the Twice Hero of the Soviet Union A.O. Shabalin. Wrote about him a story (documentary) "Mosquitoes" (magazine "Youth"). And on "VO" the article "First Attack". Look, there will be time. Everything is true there, as our fathers and grandfathers liberated Norway. They forgot it.
  2. +6
    10 October 2019 06: 19
    The Norgs should be reminded of the famous Lebensborn program, Himmler's program aimed at creating a "master race" by selective selection from German fathers and Norwegian mothers during the Nazi occupation of Norway. And how it ended for the Norwegians.
    1. +6
      10 October 2019 08: 25
      Well what are you. The Scandinavians today are proud of how they courageously surrendered to the Germans and then * in a single rush ... *. In this they are no different from other Caucasians.
      The fact that they put their women under the Germans to improve the * breed * today is not remembered either in Norway or in France, or in other countries that the Germans included in the assimilation plans. However, the fate of these women was tragic. After 1945, they could easily have been killed, like their children born under this STATE program ........
      Norway has already forgiven itself for capturing RUSSIAN lands and overt piracy on the seas during the Civil War and for its participation in Finnish provocations and wars. But the results were deplorable. It is proud of defeats strangely, here they are, following the example of the Poles, and become in the pose of the sufferers. Then they will demand money, and then something else ...
  3. +8
    10 October 2019 06: 20
    I propose to celebrate the Victory over Norwegian fascism in October!
  4. +4
    10 October 2019 07: 23
    They beat the horns at one time ..... they seem to have overdone it, their memory also went bad, nothing is postponed or remembered!
    MOVED ANCESTORS!
    1. +1
      10 October 2019 08: 01
      Hello Victor. hi
      They should remember the words of the Iron Chancellor Bismarck, with which he warned against confrontation with Russia: "The Russians take a long time to harness, but they drive fast!"
      1. +3
        10 October 2019 08: 12
        Quote: Sea Cat
        "The Russians take a long time to harness, but they drive fast!"

        Greetings Konstantin soldier
        They say different things about Bismarck, whether he said this or not .... the main thing is how he acted!
        How we harness, the thing is ... our business, most importantly, we knew how to END all sorts of different events!
        It would be good to return to this practice, otherwise so many unfinished cases have accumulated!
  5. +1
    10 October 2019 07: 53
    "Not many Soviet soldiers died on Norwegian soil." “Not so many”: over 6 thousand people - irretrievable losses and more than 15 thousand people - sanitary.

    And how many "valiant" Norgs died protecting own country? Or just "paws up the hill", and then with the winner of the neighbor (USSR) go rob and kill civilians there?
    On the nearest aspen such a "wise" politician could be pulled up !!!
    Would you all burn in Hell, t cook, not appreciating that someone for your Freedom and the king of his life and blood spilled did not regret !!! am
    1. 0
      10 October 2019 14: 44
      Quote: K-50
      And how many "valiant" Norgs died defending their country?
      hi
      During the fighting in Norway, the loss of the Norwegian army amounted to 1335 people killed and missing.
      1. 0
        11 October 2019 13: 30
        Norwegian volunteers who fought against the USSR may have died more ...
  6. +6
    10 October 2019 08: 09
    Norway has become an important naval base for the Third Reich in the North Atlantic.

    ,,, submarine bases:
    "Bruno" (Bruno). Built at the end of 1942 in Bergen.
    "Dora I" (Dora-1). Built in October 1941 in Trondheim.
    "Dora II" (Dora-2). Construction began in 1942 in Trondheim and was not completed until the end of the war.

    Bunker submarines "Bruno" in Bergen


    German type VII submarines (left) and IX in front of a bunker in Trondheim.
    1. +2
      11 October 2019 01: 01
      Quote: bubalik
      German type VII submarines (left) and IX in front of a bunker in Trondheim.

      Good photo. There are no earlier short-range Type II models that operated just against the Allied convoys as they walked along the Norwegian coast and in the North Sea.

      Type vii submarines from Norway operated "from the outside of the British Isles", mainly in "packs of wolves" - near Ireland, on the approach to the Straits and at British naval bases in the archipelagos to the north.

      Type IX - long-range submarines; often acted alone, from Norway - "met" convoys near Iceland and Greenland, or even went to the shores of Canada and along the east coast of the United States, attacking single ships that were just gathering in convoys; they also operated in the Caribbean - and according to eyewitnesses it was funny to see people with a hot Cuban tan among the harsh and cloudy Norwegian fjords. ...
  7. +7
    10 October 2019 08: 30
    There is no limit to the hypocrisy and cynicism of our "Western partners."

    On 16 on May 1944, at the talks in London, representatives of the USSR, the USA and Great Britain signed an agreement with the Norwegian government in exile, which allowed Soviet troops to enter Norwegian territory and assume full power in the war zone.

    "The Norwegians wanted to send their units located in the UK to participate in joint hostilities with the Red Army, but Winston Churchill blocked this initiative, fearing Soviet-Norwegian rapprochement"
  8. +8
    10 October 2019 08: 41
    Actually (and I have already written about this here more than once), we must clearly understand that the USSR fought in the Second World War against all of Europe, and not against Germany alone with a few of its satellites. After the war, it was decided to write about the history of World War II in a positive way for Europe, so as not to offend those who, on the one hand, entered NATO, on the other, entered the Warsaw Pact, with "cooperation with Hitler", while the rest remained "neutral". For the sake of this, it was written about "resistance", "underground", etc. in occupied by Hitler Europe. However, the truth is now beginning to emerge that virtually all of Europe happily "fell under Hitler," only those political and economic circles in European countries who, on the one hand, supported or were based on Jewish capital and knew about the impending expropriation in favor of "Aryans". In addition to them, the "antagonists" of the German Nazis were still some forces in European countries that were based on local national parties and ideas and which, like the Nazis in Germany, considered themselves the only "worthy" ones. These "European" Nazis with one part resisted the invasion of German troops and supported the intelligence and sabotage activities of the British and Americans on the territory of European countries, and with their other part they became the mainstay of the German occupation regime in Europe. Recently, in the literature published in the EU, publications began to appear that more or less truthfully (and by no means tolerantly) analyze the "German occupation" of Europe at that time. It turns out that Hitler’s majority of the population of European countries, exhausted by the crisis, unemployment, economic and political instability, party competition and high-level corruption, were waiting as deliverance, with the hope that it would transform all of Europe in the same way that he could transform Germany in such a short time — turning it from the impoverished Weinmar Republic into a powerful and wealthy Third Reich. That is why the overwhelming majority of the European population, with the exception of a small number of the local aristocracy, pushed aside by the Germans from control and influence, enthusiastically accepted the "German order" in their countries and with pleasure, and not out of hand, as it was written earlier, worked for the German war machine. This population received from the Germans what it could not achieve from their national governments before: order in governance, stability, jobs, elimination of party competition and corruption at the top and .... strangely enough, hope for the future under the wing of the mighty Third Reich. That is why, as it has been hiding for many years and not advertised in the press, this population carried out an anti-Jewish policy on its own, in many ways surpassing even the Germans in this, and also carried out police administration and the fight against mishandled scouts and saboteurs of the anti-Hitler coalition. And of course, it was the arrival of Soviet troops that destroyed this whole idyll that this European population perceived as occupation and a real disaster.
    1. +3
      10 October 2019 09: 29
      hi It is very logical, but with the projection on the current situation it seems to me more and more difficult.
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "Threat from the east" - from Russia ..... then allegedly "destroying" this dream (and the EU is nothing more than a new "European, democratic Reich") now is what they were so afraid and afraid of and against what they fought then, they fight now and will fight in the future, the so-called "Europeans".

      Europeans themselves would decide who they are along the way and who not.
      It is clear that european democratic reich administratively and financially held by the Germans, but they have learned their lessons. In addition to direct infusions of money through Europe, German banks are actively spreading their influence throughout Europe, especially in eastern and southern Europe, through lending to both large projects and very modest ones. It seems that last year there was a wave of displeasure, especially from the Scandinavians, that the Germans are creating. "financial european reich"and the" proud Vikings "are not very happy with this, no one is interested in the opinion of the Southerners and the East. If the Germans succeed, then they have a chance to lay their hands on the adoption of" European "decisions: if it's simple, then the whole of Europe will march in line with German teams.
      As in the last century and now, the Anglo-Saxons are extremely not interested in this and they will make every effort to prevent the emergence of a strong, politically / economically / financially Europe, which is still not against making friends with Russia. This is not part of Brzezinski’s plans ... Therefore, Americans are very active in cultivating the consciousness of the so-called Europeans with all kinds of horror stories. We have to admit that the stripes have long and very successfully used any PR / media as a weapon. You have to catch up ...
      1. +3
        10 October 2019 10: 27
        Generally speaking, if we take the attitude of Europeans to the English-speaking community, then they now clearly have an open "resentment" towards this "community". Firstly, although it is not officially recognized, the Europeans do not understand why during the Second World War this English-speaking community turned out to be on the side of the USSR, against Hitler and the Axis countries, and not vice versa, in order to jointly crush Bolshevism in Russia and the germs of communism in Asia and then there would be no past and "current problems" with the "communist camp". Was the Jewish lobby so strong that it forced the Anglo-Saxons to first destroy Europe in order to crush Nazism, and then together try to crush communism? They (Europeans) ask themselves the question: did the Anglo-Saxons act and are acting according to the Jewish plan, using Europe as an instrument for their own purposes? Secondly, the Europeans are offended by the modern Anglo-Saxon rhetoric that, they say, it was the agglo-American capital that pulled the whole of Europe out of the devastation after the Second World War, and also defended Europe from the USSR during the Cold War and the contribution of the Europeans themselves to this simply incommensurate with the costs of this Anglo-Americans. And thirdly, the Europeans are simply offended by the United States now in the sense that the Anglo-Saxo-Jewish capital has just started to wipe their feet insolent about them, not just "recommending", but demanding to do this or that, and under threat sanctions. The Europeans considered themselves, as it were, aloof from the US sanctions policy, they say, they (the Europeans) under no circumstances will fall under it (the US sanctions policy), but here the US equated the "proud Europeans" with the third and fourth countries against which such a policy sanctions are not only applicable, but even necessary.
        1. +1
          10 October 2019 10: 38
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          ..about them, the Anglo-Saxo-Jewish capital began to simply wipe their feet insolently already, not just "recommending", but demanding to do this or that, and under the threat of sanctions. The Europeans considered themselves, as it were, aloof from the US sanctions policy, they say, they (the Europeans) under no circumstances would fall under it (the US sanctions policy), but here the US equated the "proud Europeans" with the third and fourth countries against which such a policy sanctions are not only applicable, but even necessary.

          Well, maybe in the minds enlightens and will learn to take care of the interests of their countries in the first place.
        2. +1
          10 October 2019 11: 33
          veil
          Europe united for its own prosperity more than once. You can recall the German Empire, the French Empire, the Second Reich. The basis of the ideas of unification was the capture of colonies with obedient slaves and no ideology. The war against the SOVIET UNION was also only for the capture of colonies and obedient slaves. Spells about * the fight against Bolshevism * frank lies to justify the destruction of * naughty * and extra people. Today it’s kind of * inconvenient * to recognize genocide on ethnic grounds, but ideological is a completely different matter, a bastard and an outright criminal becomes kind of a * ideological fighter *, like those who didn’t fight but supported and lived off the loot.
    2. +3
      10 October 2019 11: 55
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      That is why the overwhelming majority of the European population, with the exception of a small number of the local aristocracy, pushed aside by the Germans from control and influence, enthusiastically accepted the "German order" in their countries and with pleasure, and not out of hand, as it was written earlier, worked for the German war machine.

      It is difficult to blame the European population as a whole for this. First, in the early stages, Germany did not look like a bloodthirsty country "exterminator" of Jews. They were oppressed, evicted, but there were no death camps yet. How much did the typical Norwegian know about the fate of Jews in Germany? They knew nothing. But about the achievements, economic stability and other news for certain flew.
      Secondly, already during the war, far from all the sadism with which the Jews were annihilated became immediately obvious to everyone. After all, the Germans did not advertise the death camps. And again, for the average European, how much did it mean that somewhere in the neighborhood the Germans arrested and took away a couple of Jews whom he did not personally know? Well, it happens ... Details were known only to those who were directly witnesses or victims of fascist lawlessness. There was no Internet then, although the information was of course gradually spreading, but still it was not a personal pain for the average European. Somewhere, someone drives Jews to camps and ghettos. Sadly, it doesn’t concern me, I thought some ordinary Czech or Hungarian. The position is rather vile, but characteristic of the average man.
      Another thing is the country of the Anglo-Saxon world, where propaganda was put in a different way and from a certain point the data obtained on atrocities against Jews began to be used in it. Therefore, a typical American marine who landed in Normandy in 44 knew exactly what he was going to fight for, and the portrait of the enemy was obvious to him. Like our soldier. But the European citizen - not really. Well, maybe closer to the end - yes. But not in the 30's and not in the early years of the war. And of course for them, quietly living under the rule of Hitler, it was a shock when they suddenly began to bomb, and our tanks went down the streets, sweeping away everything in the way. They lived, they lived, they didn’t touch anyone, but here the Russians ... They didn’t survive the pain that our people who came to destroy this fascism experienced. If these Europeans burned all the families, like ours in Belarus, then they probably would have been more adequately tuned by the arrival of our tanks. Therefore, we do not understand them, but they us.
      And by the way, one should not assume that the countries of the Anglo-Saxon world act exclusively in the materialistic sense - what the Nazis did in Europe was somehow disgusting to both Churchill and Roosevelt (despite the fact that they led countries that were also far from freedom and democracy at that time ) The destruction of fascism at that time was not only profitable for them in the economic and political sense, but it was also a moral duty. One does not interfere.
      And then there is no need to represent European society (yes, any society!) As a monolith. All the same, someone there resisted the Germans. Someone out of resentment and patriotism, not out of love for Jews. And someone because of this, especially if he saw personally what is being done to them. It's another matter that the post-war "conciliatory" propaganda greatly exaggerated the scale of this resistance.
    3. -1
      11 October 2019 08: 14
      Throw you fairy tales about Europe and Russia - Norwegians prepared by the British blew up the heavy water supplies in Norway in 1943 ujle. You creatures will not take off your hat to the memory of Norwegian volunteers who destroyed Nazism
  9. +6
    10 October 2019 09: 28
    Also, German forces could support the fleet, which was based in Northern Norway. There was the battleship Tirpitz, one and a half hundred combat (including 12 - 14 destroyers, up to 30 submarines) and auxiliary ships

    The deployment of the enemy Navy in northern Norway as of 25.02.44
  10. BAI
    0
    10 October 2019 14: 16
    Russians supposedly were in no hurry with the start of the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation, they waited until October 7, 1944, saving people and equipment.

    With regard to the author of this phrase, we can say that in relation to him the word "d.e. beat" is not an insult, but a medical diagnosis. How else were the Soviet troops supposed to behave?
  11. +4
    10 October 2019 14: 58
    Quote: Vasily50
    The fact that they put their women under the Germans to improve the * breed * today is not remembered either in Norway or in France, or in other countries that the Germans included in the assimilation plans. However, the fate of these women was tragic. After 1945, they could easily have been killed, like their children born under this STATE program ........

    The most famous child from a German dad and a Norwegian mom is ABBA's soloist Anni-Fried Lyngstad. But she was just lucky that her relatives took her to Sweden, otherwise, in Norwegian boarding schools such as her "children of war" hell awaited without any indulgences. Just because they were born from German soldiers, without being guilty in the same way.
  12. Alf
    0
    10 October 2019 20: 59
    So the descendants of the Norwegians represent our prisoners.
  13. +1
    11 October 2019 09: 12
    Quote: Amateur
    The Norgs should be reminded of the famous Lebensborn program, Himmler's program aimed at creating a "master race" by selective selection from German fathers and Norwegian mothers during the Nazi occupation of Norway.

    The Germans considered the Norgs to be part of the German race, everyone had joy, "We are Germans," but after the war, the children born to the Germans were considered inferior and there was a stigma on them, it even seems like a defeat of rights. I met such people in Kirkines back in the late 70s, they have worked in ports as loaders and on ship repairs, maybe they are "lepers" until dryly, but those who are supposedly true patriots "like Stol .... became Aryans. But there is one. nuance
    In August 1943, the pro-German Quisling government declared war on the Soviet Union.
    but now I have not found the "Act of Surrender of Norway" or "Peace Treaty at the end of the war" anywhere.
  14. +1
    11 October 2019 14: 57
    The most important thing is that our "elite" does not in any way remind Norway of these gestures towards the "Great" nation.