In Crimea, military personnel convicted of accidental rocket launch

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Military personnel in Crimea accidentally launched a rocket on a hangar. Now the Ministry of Defense is demanding 46 million rubles from them. It is reported by the publication "Kommersant"With reference to the materials of the Crimean garrison military court.





The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is trying to recover about 46 million rubles from two military personnel of the sea aviation Black Sea fleet. According to the lawsuit, Aleksey Chebanov and Nikolai Zverev, having made a mistake, unintentionally launched the X-29TD aircraft guided missile, which caused serious damage to one of the hangars at the Saki airfield. Also, according to the results of the launch, two Kh-29TD missiles and equipment for their verification had to be written off.

According to information published by Kommersant, Chebanov and Zverev are accused of violating the rules for dealing with weaponsrepresenting an increased danger to others (Part 1 Art. 349 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

On the day of the incident, October 1 2017, the defendants, who were the technicians of the military unit 59882, using the Oka complex, carried out a control check of the technical condition of the aircraft guided weapons. Among other things, they examined the X-29TD missiles: shortly before that, the Su-30СМ multipurpose heavy fighter took off with them.

46 million human factor


According to the case, the servicemen had to check the serviceability of the X-29TD check mechanisms. Ignoring the instructions, Chebanov and Zverev did not open the lid of the check devices, did not inspect the seal and lock. Without conducting preparatory procedures, they began testing missiles at the Oka complex, which led to the operation of the squibs. As a result, a rocket was launched, which, having a weight of about 700 kg and a length of the order of 4 m, demolished the gate and part of the wall of the hangar. The warhead of the rocket (about 100 kg of explosive) did not work, but another X-29TD and special equipment were destroyed along the way.

The case materials determined the cost of each of the missiles according to the accounting expertise - 18 million 459 thousand rubles. The rest of the equipment, as well as the destroyed hangar and gate, were valued at 9,5 million rubles. Total material damage was estimated at 46 571 866 rubles.

The court confirmed the qualification of the article and found the military guilty. When sentencing, it was taken into account that the military partially compensated for the damage. Also, the final decision was influenced by the presence of Nikolai Zverev 4 young children.

As a result, Aleksey Chebanov was limited in military service for one year and three months. During this period, from his monetary allowance will be deducted 15% in state revenue. Zverev was awarded a year of limitation with the payment of 10%. During the period of restriction, convicts may not be promoted to the post or military rank. Also, this period will not be counted in the length of service.
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  1. +9
    17 August 2019 10: 39
    Negligence resulting in serious property damage! Drive from the army to the neck. Without a pension ... To discourage others ... At daddy then on takeoff the dashboard fell out on his knees. After checking the technician did not fasten it ... The technician was fired. Let "sclerosis" heal somewhere else ...
    1. +2
      17 August 2019 10: 42
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      At Bate, then on take-off, the dashboard fell to her knees.

      something often dashboards fall on the knees of the pilots, we also had such a case
      1. +8
        17 August 2019 10: 44
        Quote: Pedrodepackes

        something often dashboards fall on the knees of the pilots, we also had such a case

        In Estonia, Emari airfield, there is now a NATO base. Year 66-th Mig 17
        1. 0
          17 August 2019 10: 46
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          In Estonia, Emari airfield,

          No, p. Seshcha, the eponymous airport, the year so in 88th
          1. +3
            17 August 2019 10: 51
            Yes it happens, and checks from the pyrocartridges of the catapult will not be pulled by talented technicians.
            1. +16
              17 August 2019 12: 53
              And talented pilots do not check this before boarding the cockpit .... Although they are obligated .... And it’s stupid to sit on the huge central plate, to which the checks are blocked, and which lies on the chair ... And the technician shows the checks from the bailouts pilot before taxiing out the plane .... No need for military songs ...
              1. +4
                17 August 2019 13: 54
                Quote: VO3A
                pilots do not check this before boarding the cockpit.

                That's it! The human factor ... It was and will be, for he who does nothing is not mistaken! Aviation is a serious matter, in no case do not condone the slovens who committed a significant incident, thank God without sacrifices.
                1. +5
                  17 August 2019 20: 24
                  Quote: edeligor
                  Quote: VO3A
                  pilots do not check this before boarding the cockpit.

                  That's it! The human factor ... It was and will be, for he who does nothing is not mistaken! Aviation is a serious matter, in no case do not condone the slovens who committed a significant incident, thank God without sacrifices.

                  I also do not condone, but 46 lemons were hanged on them in vain. Everything in life happens. As the saying goes - and there is a rip on the old woman.
                  1. +4
                    17 August 2019 20: 37
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    I also do not condone, but 46 lemons were hanged on them in vain.

                    Yes, they will not withhold the full amount from them.
                    The court decision said:
                    Eventually Alexey Chebanov restricted military service to one year and three months. During this period from his monetary allowance 15% in state revenue will be held. Zverev was awarded a year of limitation with the payment of 10%
                    .
                    1. +2
                      17 August 2019 20: 40
                      Quote: svp67
                      As a result, Aleksey Chebanov was limited in military service for one year and three months. During this period, 15% of state revenue will be deducted from his monetary allowance. Zverev was awarded a year of limitation with the payment of 10%

                      That's okay. It is divine.
                      1. +1
                        17 August 2019 20: 42
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        That's okay. It is divine.

                        Aha to them and to others SCIENCE. What you need to "study military affairs PROPERLY"
                  2. -4
                    18 August 2019 06: 07
                    I can imagine how they will love their country and selflessly defend it, after the state hanged 46 lyam on them.
              2. +2
                17 August 2019 14: 40
                :-)
                On the K-36 DM a halyard with a dozen checks, red. Well, if the pilot is color blind, he might not have noticed. :-)
                1. 0
                  18 August 2019 13: 09
                  Immediately before boarding the cockpit, the checks are at 3 points: headrest, emergency flashlight reset and ejection pens. All on one red cord (with a plate), thrown through the RUS. How, sitting in the cockpit, do not remove this garland in front of you - I also do not know :)
            2. 0
              18 August 2019 15: 04
              Hehe. Such a plot was played up in the film "time of the first." There Leonov also forgot to check the receipts of the catapult .. Well, which of them is more talented, a technician or Leonov ..
          2. +6
            17 August 2019 11: 35
            Year 66

            year so in 88th

            Really often ...
          3. +2
            17 August 2019 14: 41
            In Seshche transporters sat. An-22.
            1. -1
              17 August 2019 20: 27
              Quote: NAVI
              In Seshche transporters sat. An-22.
              An-22 since 1987 was sent to Migalovo when I left there, there were two An-124 regiments
        2. +3
          17 August 2019 12: 37
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          In Estonia, Emari airfield, there is now a NATO base. Year 66-th Mig 17

          88 APIB? Served 1972-1975, also MIG-17, perhaps the last regiment.
          1. +2
            17 August 2019 14: 01
            Quote: AlexVas44
            88 APIB? Served 1972-1975, also MIG-17, perhaps the last regiment.

            Was two years ago, the graves of pilots are intact.
          2. +2
            17 August 2019 15: 01
            Quote: AlexVas44
            perhaps the last regiment.

            More precisely, one of the last.
        3. +3
          17 August 2019 13: 59
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          In Estonia, Emari airfield, there is now a NATO base. Year 66-th Mig 17

          2 years ago a Spanish fighter took off from this airfield and it had an "involuntary" launch of an air-to-air missile, well that it fell into a swamp (on the border of the Pskov region).
          1. 0
            18 August 2019 06: 12
            Quote: tihonmarine
            a Spanish fighter took off from this airfield 2 years ago

            Yeah ... at one time, Soviet construction workers built airfields for NATO
      2. +5
        17 August 2019 11: 10
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        something often dashboards fall to the pilots’s knees,

        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Year 66th Mig 17

        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        n. Seshcha, the aerodrome of the same name, in 88th year

        Well, not that often ... laughing
      3. +3
        17 August 2019 11: 20
        Probably the same technician was serving you)
        1. +11
          17 August 2019 11: 31
          Quote: Govorun
          probably the same technician served

          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Year 66

          Quote: Pedrodepackes
          year so in 88th

          well, a very old technician laughing in the first case - inexperience, in the second - sclerosis laughing
          1. +2
            17 August 2019 18: 34
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            well, a very old technician, in the first case - inexperience, in the second - sclerosis

            When sclerosis, it may not twist anything at all, but young ..... There was a case in the 70s when a young, inexperienced, but curious dismantled a lantern lock (precisely out of curiosity), but assembled incorrectly, and then it’s clear - in the air was ripped off. So it is not known who is better. laughing
          2. 0
            18 August 2019 06: 13
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            well, a very old laughing technician in the first case is inexperience, in the second - laughing sclerosis

            This is not yet data what he served there in his blooming years in the 70s.
      4. +1
        17 August 2019 12: 51
        The dashboard locks are controlled with 0.8 wire in the closed position ... You can also look at the locks if often !!!
        1. +3
          17 August 2019 15: 04
          Quote: VO3A
          Dashboard locks counter

          Another date is written on a piece of paper and glued to the edges of the board.
      5. +1
        17 August 2019 12: 57
        In this article there is little information about what happened ... Judging by the description and implementation of the regular weapons check, for example in the TEC, there are much more guilty persons and violations .... They made two people extreme and made an ostentatious strange decision ....
        1. +2
          17 August 2019 14: 23
          TEC and to weapons testing? :-)
          Dump chains are still possible.
          1. +2
            17 August 2019 14: 30
            This is the number ... All complex checks with the CPA are carried out in the fuel and energy sector ... Starting from the stops, shooting and adjustment, ending with the verification of weapons systems ... and PRNK ....
            1. +1
              17 August 2019 15: 16
              KPA is different :-)
              Landless weapons. I'm talking about guns.
              I know from the IL-76, IL-38, Be-12.
              Armament RTB, or base PLOR.
              They brought it, the technician checked the thief, signed it, got a cork with a fuse and hung it under the arms of a pravak.
              A test run of missiles or torpedoes is in the database.
        2. +2
          17 August 2019 15: 08
          Quote: VO3A
          ...... guilty ....

          Of course more, engineer regiment for AB, deputy. com by IAS, etc. engineers in the division and army.
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        4. 0
          18 August 2019 06: 18
          Quote: VO3A
          They made two people extreme and made a ostentatious strange decision ....

          This is all because everything happened in Crimea. Just too much Crimea has become in our media. And it was necessary to show the public and Ukrainians that everything that takes place in the Crimea due to negligence and irresponsibility is severely punished. Had this happened in some sort of polar remote garrison in the tundra in Chukotka, no one would have even known about it. And the incident would be braked
    2. +12
      17 August 2019 11: 34
      Drive from the army to the neck

      Instead, they will serve the missiles and the panels will turn the shooter ... Our mountain Eugene.
      1. +2
        17 August 2019 11: 43
        Quote: alexmach

        Instead, they will serve the missiles and the panels will turn the shooter ... Our mountain Eugene.

        All that is needed has already been "served" ... Let the young serve. I did not allow such "shoals" ... I taught the younger generation. You shouldn't troll me ... Hopeless ...
        1. +3
          17 August 2019 12: 29
          Everything you need has already been "served"

          Well, okay, continue to serve on the couch.
        2. 0
          17 August 2019 13: 12
          I did not allow such "jambs" ...

          This is the phrase of a corporal, not an aviation specialist ... Who did you teach? I do not believe,,,,
          1. +2
            17 August 2019 16: 20
            Quote: VO3A

            This is the phrase of a corporal, not an aviation specialist ... Who did you teach? I do not believe,,,,

            This happened to my father, a military pilot ... I am a military specialty - artilleryman, ATGM and PTA. captain ... And after university, a physicist ... Anything else?
            1. +2
              17 August 2019 17: 26
              Biennial or retired? The gunner ... The school passed the right one ... But this is military aviation, no offense ... and this is your hobby, but for someone, life ...
    3. -2
      17 August 2019 12: 44
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Negligence resulting in serious property damage! Drive from the army to the neck. Without a pension ... To discourage others ... At daddy then on takeoff the dashboard fell out on his knees. After checking the technician did not fasten it ... The technician was fired. Let "sclerosis" heal somewhere else ...

      In Ukrainians and pin-up-owls did not hit - minus. request
    4. -2
      17 August 2019 13: 02
      I agree. There is a concept of the degree of responsibility. They get money for that. And if anyone confuses the system and time. That’s their problem. We have capitalism in Russia.
      1. +5
        17 August 2019 13: 15
        In the USSR it was the same, another storyteller ....
        What order, what time, this is aviation, there are their own laws ...
        Do not know, DO NOT touch!
        Do not know how, DO NOT!
        DO NOT interfere with the technique to work! ...

        Remember ....
        1. -1
          17 August 2019 13: 21
          You need to pay for dullness in your work. Do you agree with me?
          1. +6
            17 August 2019 13: 23
            But they don’t keep stupid in aviation ... And if they do, they’re not a claim to them .... Aviation is a collective military branch, and the most elite ... They don’t go in formation ....
            1. 0
              17 August 2019 13: 27
              I agree. For why then the whole selection system. And carrots in the form of social nishtyakov invented. So it’s not so simple. And for every such incident there is a whole layer of problems.
            2. 0
              17 August 2019 13: 43
              They don’t go, they don’t go ... Butt, already a regiment, but here the terms, techniques, pilots ... Parade, combat training. Neither go yourself nor show how
            3. +1
              17 August 2019 15: 56
              The GBshniki were the first to test, then the Strategic Missile Forces, then the fleet, then the infantry, followed by aviation.
              There were enough fools among conscript mechanics.
              We walk in formation. Honor is not given at the airport during flights.
        2. +1
          17 August 2019 15: 29
          Quote: VO3A
          In the USSR it was the same, another storyteller ....
          What order, what time, this is aviation, there are their own laws ...
          Do not know, DO NOT touch!
          Do not know how, DO NOT!
          DO NOT interfere with the technique to work! ...

          Still need to add.
          Do not yours, do not touch!
  2. +15
    17 August 2019 10: 39
    Correctly say that the instructions for TB, regulations are written in blood. I don’t "run into" these military personnel, but there is a specific blame for them (judging by the article).
    1. +5
      17 August 2019 10: 49
      Quote: aszzz888
      TB instructions, regulations written in blood

      well, everything worked out without blood, still 100 kg of explosives recourse
      1. +5
        17 August 2019 10: 52
        Pedrodepacks (Alex) Today, 10: 49 NEW
        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        TB instructions, regulations written in blood

        well, everything went without blood, still 100 kg BB recourse

        This can be called luck, and being born under something, and being "under God!", But the fact is the fact - LUCKY.
        1. +2
          17 August 2019 11: 16
          Quote: aszzz888
          This can be called luck, and being born under something, and being "under God!", But the fact is the fact - LUCKY.

          And lucky ALL the base, and not just these unfortunate technicians: obviously there are not two missiles and not two people working ....
      2. 0
        17 August 2019 12: 13
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        Quote: aszzz888
        TB instructions, regulations written in blood

        well, everything worked out without blood, still 100 kg of explosives recourse

        113 kg VV.Applied even with carts in Libya. (Link below). It is in service with the Polish Air Force. In the nomenclature of NATO X-29 is designated AS-14 Kedge.
        https://toparmy.ru/rossijskaya-armiya/voyenno-vozdushnyye-sily/takticheskaya-upravlyaemaya-raketa-x-29-klassa-vozdux-poverxnost.html
    2. 0
      17 August 2019 13: 35
      And not only ... They were assigned a class ... They were re-certified during the extension of the contract .... They received work permits, in the end ... They were paid allowances or had to pay for the work and maintenance of military equipment ... They took tests for safety and knowledge of the documents in hand during annual special classes, even 2 times every year .... They signed for a briefing in the journal before starting work, received instructions for the work ....
  3. +20
    17 August 2019 10: 47
    It's buulshit.
    I’m already in my seventies, I heard a lot of tales, I’ve seen enough, and I myself participated pretty well.
    When God arranged a lock on the earth, aviation was in heaven ...
    Night bombing. Tu-16. The landfill is somewhere near Askania Nova. In general - sleep. Target capture on a radar sight. The navigator was surprised that they had flown up early. Who knows. Corner reflectors laid out in a triangle ...
    Bombed off cool. They arrive at the regiment. They were greeted by all ... "Mother, grind! They bombed three cowsheds! The whole regiment was collecting money. But everyone ate meat from a dump ... And all so silently, the military prosecutor's office passed by Grechko. Here is the Soviet Union!
    1. +2
      17 August 2019 10: 49
      Kherson can’t be turned into swear words. And such a letter is in Russian, and not in the Hebrew alphabet. Called ...
    2. +1
      17 August 2019 10: 51
      Quote: pafegosoff
      Three cowsheds were bombed!

      in my opinion, it was already written here that the fighter, when taking off to the barn, "sat down" with a failed engine, there too
      Quote: pafegosoff
      raised money
      и
      Quote: pafegosoff
      everyone ate meat
    3. +1
      17 August 2019 11: 55
      Kalinovka. 105th.
  4. +4
    17 August 2019 10: 48
    "During the period of restriction, convicts cannot be promoted in office and military rank. Also, this term will not be counted in the length of service."...
    Um ... Well, imprisonment, or sentencing to pay - this is understandable ... With a career - as well, and without a court decision to limit them, the commanders would not have raised them by themselves for a long time ... But the fact that this time will not count towards the length of service is WHAT? The judges came up with some new laws themselves, or I don’t understand something ???
    recourse request
  5. -1
    17 August 2019 10: 48
    That is, nobody controlled their work? In fact, this is not negligence, it is a violation of basic safety standards! I think, and I'm sure that it is also necessary to punish those who did not do their work - did not control what and how is done with the rocket!
  6. for
    -2
    17 August 2019 10: 51
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    At Bate, then on take-off, the dashboard fell to her knees.

    The result of parenting.
  7. +4
    17 August 2019 10: 51
    Without conducting preparatory procedures,
    Here the rule is iron - guilty, answer. The damage is 46 million and it’s good that without human casualties.
  8. +7
    17 August 2019 10: 57
    In the production where I work, when carrying out hot work (welding), a fire truck with a crew is brought in, the machine costs as much time as the welder works. It seems that busting and a fire extinguisher according to the rules is enough, but management puts safety a priority in the performance of any work.
    Inspectors continuously conduct inspections and staff nightmares, but there is a result, injuries and incidents have actually been reduced to zero.
  9. for
    +4
    17 August 2019 11: 03
    I saw a photo of the results of checking the SPRD from the P-6, too, the squibs worked, in the hangar, everywhere arms, legs and iron, there is no one to judge.
  10. 0
    17 August 2019 11: 07
    That's right. Or even better: hang on them the 46 million with a trial period. They will not receive any penalties for that time - to knock off the amount to "alimony" in %%.
  11. -1
    17 August 2019 11: 12
    The case materials determined the cost of each of the missiles according to the materials of the accounting expertise - 18 million 459 thousand

    Wow price tags ...
    Almost $ 300 one rocket ...
    And such a rocket flies into the pickup of the barmaley, or even into their tent ...
    Costly ...
    1. +2
      17 August 2019 11: 37
      Cheaper than giving them the opportunity to crush our
    2. +1
      17 August 2019 12: 46
      Quote: lucul
      Wow price tags ...
      Almost $ 300 one rocket ...

      I doubted the conclusions of the accounting expertise. They probably counted the lost profits from a potential strike on NATO !? laughing
  12. -11
    17 August 2019 11: 17
    Gagging is still ineradicable in our Army .. hi
    On the idea of ​​shooting them before the ranks .. but it's all in the past ..
    Russia is now actually in a martial law ... It is strictly necessary to deal with such! hi
    1. +7
      17 August 2019 11: 45
      Quote: Mixanchik
      Gagging is still ineradicable in our Army.


      This is possible in any army, the main thing is to draw the right conclusions and organizational measures.
      1. 0
        17 August 2019 12: 41
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Mixanchik
        Gagging is still ineradicable in our Army.


        This is possible in any army, the main thing is to draw the right conclusions and organizational measures.

        Well, with the execution, I certainly gave too much .. Although Victor can and should scare these! hi
    2. +3
      17 August 2019 12: 28
      On the idea of ​​shooting them before the ranks .. but it's all in the past ..

      Well, shoot everyone before the formation, and the women then still give birth. Chinese women.
      1. 0
        17 August 2019 12: 49
        Quote: alexmach
        On the idea of ​​shooting them before the ranks .. but it's all in the past ..

        Well, shoot everyone before the formation, and the women then still give birth. Chinese women.

        You’re tough, well, I’m chasing ... We’ll chew on snot, we’ll serve foreign armies, then it’s just like execution, for any mistake or an oblique look .. We passed this already in the days of the USSR ..

        This is predicted to all of us by the West and others ..
      2. 0
        17 August 2019 19: 02
        Quote: alexmach
        give birth. Chinese women.

        They give birth to one child there. More than one for a lot of money.
        1. 0
          17 August 2019 21: 13
          They give birth to one child there. More than one for a lot of money.

          You have very outdated information. And even when the ban itself acted, it was only partially true.
          1. 0
            17 August 2019 22: 30
            Despite the removal of many restrictions, the birth rate in China is not growing.
            1. 0
              17 August 2019 22: 49
              Despite the removal of many restrictions, the birth rate in China is not growing.

              This, it does not grow where it is normally considered - in cities where there is civilization. As in the whole world, the urbanized population has a low birth rate. And in the outback and in the villages, so there, during the time of the ban, it didn’t particularly fall, as eyewitnesses report. They simply did not register extra children and that’s all. Well, in addition, with their population, she does not need to grow.

              PS .. I have a Chinese chief. Has 5 children ... Doesn’t live in China really.
    3. +1
      17 August 2019 12: 43
      Mixanchik Today, 11:17 AM NEW
      Carelessness is ineradicable while in our Army .... "

      God forbid you would be in their place you, too, to the wall ??

      The guys probably did this procedure more than once.
      Yes, and a bunch of tests passed and checks. To be allowed to service weapons.
      Everything is muddy .. and the instructions sometimes do not work ..
      1. +1
        17 August 2019 13: 21
        Quote: To be or not to be
        God forbid you would be in their place you, too, to the wall ??

        Without hesitation I will stand against the wall ..

        So we were raised ... soldier
        1. +1
          17 August 2019 13: 26
          So we were brought up.

          Forum balabolov.

          They survived, there were no victims, and thank God. The punishment they chose was also quite adequate.
  13. -3
    17 August 2019 11: 17
    Behind the rear is more dangerous than the enemy. And one still does not know how to pull out on time, which symbolizes
  14. -2
    17 August 2019 11: 23
    In Crimea, military personnel convicted of accidental rocket launch
    Well, they are such huts everywhere, regardless of country
  15. -4
    17 August 2019 11: 44
    And I, as a sinful thing, thought that "drinking tea" is only about Assad's army. Yes ... Men got into bondage. Nobody will dismiss them from the army, there will be no increase, and they will pay for their whole life, even from the pension, which no longer shines for them. Do our army and navy insure their property?
    1. +2
      17 August 2019 13: 29
      and they will pay all their lives, even from a pension that they no longer have.

      Have you definitely read the article? Well, the one you are currently commenting on? Do you understand Russian very little?
      1. -1
        18 August 2019 11: 49
        Atdahnul joke joke, wail wassat
  16. +6
    17 August 2019 11: 47
    Quote: Thrifty
    That is, nobody controlled their work?

    Do you think that every technician should be followed by a crowd: team leader, squadron engineer, regiment engineer, fleet aviation engineer ...? Where to get so many of them? You can’t put a controller over every nonsense.
    1. 0
      17 August 2019 11: 57
      Checked in RTBC. Listed by you is not the case.
      1. 0
        17 August 2019 14: 51
        Decrypt RTBC, if not difficult ...
        1. +1
          17 August 2019 15: 20
          Honestly, I don’t remember. 40 years have passed :-)
          RTB is an ordinary weapon.
          RTBK is a deaf and dumb economy. So I remember.
    2. +4
      17 August 2019 12: 31
      Quote: Piramidon
      You can’t put a controller over every nonsense.

      Stepan, have you arrived from the moon today? It seems that no one has canceled the operational control and is not going to cancel it, according to NIAO. All work on the AT is performed by at least two people - the performer and the controller, the first according to the technological map, the second according to the operational control map. As I understand it, the start tech or the head of the group was supposed to supervise these especially smart people. According to the results of this "work", the performer is put on trial, NG is removed from his post, the Armament Engineer is an official inconsistency, the Deputy for IAS is reprimanded.
      1. +1
        17 August 2019 13: 01
        The group leader is alone, but how many technicians and planes does he have? And all planes are doing work. He cannot immediately be everywhere present and follow every movement of his subordinates. The technician performed the work - presented for control.
      2. -1
        17 August 2019 14: 57
        I clarify that there is different operational control ... There is constant for especially important work, there is an intermediate, after the main operations are completed, there is a final one after the work is completed ... If 2 people work, they can control each other and use the connection ... When testing the engine, 1 person sits in the cabin ...., only through communication ...
        1. +4
          17 August 2019 18: 01
          Control each other? Is it like that the supervisor’s startup is in control? The controller must have a higher position, or a higher class.
          The inspector does not hear you, otherwise everyone would have received nuts.
          1. 0
            17 August 2019 20: 47
            This is aviation, it’s hard for you to understand ....
            1. +4
              18 August 2019 10: 41
              Quote: VO3A
              This is aviation, it’s hard for you to understand ....

              Yes, where are we to compete with the couch ....
              As they told me right away, the green lieutenant - your only signature is 5 years in prison, think where and for what you put a cross ...
              1. +4
                18 August 2019 13: 25
                Control 0,8 which you devices in the cockpit counter .... laughing laughing
                Her specialists do not receive at all as unnecessary, a maximum of 0,5. CDs have such an elephant wire. Yes
      3. +1
        17 August 2019 15: 22
        Niao? We had a NIAS-78.
        Although I personally have NPP, OPP and NShS :-)
        1. +4
          17 August 2019 17: 57
          NIAS-78? What an ancient you are!
          Already 30 years have been canceled!
          NIAO-90, in two parts and four applications! drinks
          1. 0
            17 August 2019 21: 59
            This is true. Retired since 1990 :-)
    3. +2
      17 August 2019 12: 45
      Quote: Piramidon
      You can’t put a controller over every nonsense.

      But is work with combat missiles in aviation not potentially dangerous? (With us with heptyl, it’s especially dangerous! From the start-ups, too, we fasten our heads, so there are no lights out from the special policemen ... not like ours - like dirt!)
      That is why it is necessary to do everything point by point, as with the "deaf and dumb" to do. Then there will be no nonsense like this. And these "chebans" neglected this - that's the result ...
  17. +2
    17 August 2019 12: 08
    Yes, the court decided correctly! Nakosyachili, pay. Dismissing is of course easier, but how much time does it take to prepare new money? And where is the guarantee that the young craftsman will not do even worse than what? Narde wisdom says that for one beaten, you know. A jamb does not happen only among loafers.
  18. 0
    17 August 2019 12: 09
    Pancake! We have always carried out an arms check under the control of an officer and according to the cyclogram ... Yes
    And these "specialists" (fathers and shepherds, recruited according to the announcement) seem to be trained in nothing at all! And where is the control on the part of the deputy tech-gunsmith? After all, they are not playing with spillikins - it is their happiness that the safety steps have not been removed from their heads! otherwise it would be all nuts ... And certainly with human casualties.
    Headache, damn it, some hopelessly stupid!
    1. 0
      17 August 2019 12: 25
      In what year in Vladik opposite the headquarters of the Pacific Fleet with BOD 1155 they shunned a neighboring ship from a cannon ?. Not so long ago.
      Or Ukrainians "Tochka" on a residential building. Or on "Monsoon".
      It is an accident.(((
      1. +2
        17 August 2019 13: 44
        Quote: NAVI
        jumped on a neighboring ship from a cannon?

        There was nothing supernatural - MZA, however, morning cranking (checking weapons and hardware) - it happens. This is not routine work on ROCKET weapons. Feel the difference!
        Quote: NAVI
        Or on "Monsoon".
        This is a completely different situation, not related to technical inspections of MBT. And the operator’s mistake is a tragedy for the Tu-154 over the World Cup ... Different situations.
        1. +3
          17 August 2019 14: 32
          Find Putin's pressukha laid out by Venediktov. His words- "Ukraine does not have the means to destroy an aircraft at such a distance." I read it myself on Echo of Moscow.
          Not operator error, but laziness. It was necessary to take 200 to the Russian Federation and establish a limiter for self-liquidation in flight range.
          They didn’t do this, but the head of firing, the representative of the Russian Federation, since they shot from the Ross firing range, did not control it.
  19. -2
    17 August 2019 12: 11
    Each accident has a name, surname and position. People's Commissar of Railways Lazar Kaganovich.
    Guys, this is a weapon, if your hands grow from the same place where your legs come from - you don’t do it there. Medic for unqualified provision of medical care - will be imprisoned, there are no fines. So you're still lucky that you didn’t kill anyone.
    PiSi: but in the USA such crooked-handed could have got Congress later. Like mccain
    1. 0
      17 August 2019 12: 20
      He has nothing to do with it.
      It was discussed which side the missiles went off from.
      But there are krivoruky everywhere, 200-ki operators who shot down the IL-20.
      1. -4
        17 August 2019 14: 27
        It’s where the anti-aircraft gunners have iron nerves. They began to shoot back only after the 5th or 6th wave of attack under the cover of a neutral side. There are all questions to the six-pointed Nazis
  20. +5
    17 August 2019 12: 13
    Accidents due to negligence and non-compliance with instructions occur quite often, unfortunately! I’ll tell you about one such case in the Bulgarian Air Force! 80's. The airbase of the city of Tolbuhin (now Dobrich), northeastern Bulgaria. Three technicians conduct maintenance of the heavy MiG-25 RBT. We had 4 of such machines. The plane is stalled in the runway. Test start of engines. When thrust is supplied, the turbine sucks in an uncleaned hose from the strip. It enters the air intake and from there to the turbine. Everything is broken. The commission, the court ... The engine was rejected. The hose itself costs a penny, but the engine ... 2 mln. This is how much 1350 Lada 2101 cost in the meantime! One of the guilty technicians went to suicide, but they managed to save him. A whole series of bosses also suffered punishment at various levels. We also had a case when a technician inattentively catapulted onto a Su-22 in a hangar. He was lucky, stayed alive, even though he was seriously shell-shocked!
    1. +2
      17 August 2019 14: 36
      Do not drive to the runway. There is a gas pad, in addition to pads, a plane is knitted with cables.
      1. +1
        17 August 2019 14: 41
        On the gas pad happened. And the plane was connected with cables. Guilty, he wrote the GDP by mistake. hi
  21. -3
    17 August 2019 12: 15
    2 X-29T missiles destroyed and none of them fired warheads? Something is strange this. I suspect that warheads in them were generally inert.
    1. +2
      17 August 2019 14: 33
      Approximately 400 m cocking. By analogy with the X-25.
      1. +1
        17 August 2019 15: 02
        And explosives there do not detonate from the impact?
        1. +2
          17 August 2019 15: 25
          Yes, blocking either fire or temporary (mechanics).
          If the bonfire, then the TG can smell. :-)
          Another chain is Explosion-Explosion.
          1. +2
            17 August 2019 15: 46
            How everything is started ... That way you’re stealing a rocket and you won’t start anywhere. We'll have to dig in the garden like a gate post ... laughing
            1. +1
              17 August 2019 16: 00
              NAR can be launched. 27 volts :-)
              1. +1
                17 August 2019 16: 11
                The range is not the same, power again ... laughing
                We'll have to steal the "Tornado" laughing
                But he eats a lot ...
                1. 0
                  18 August 2019 00: 34
                  We'll have to steal the "Tornado"

                  Eight "pillars" just for the garage for "Oka" is enough ... but it will cost a lot.
                  Ivan hi drinks
                  1. +1
                    18 August 2019 08: 12
                    Sergei hi drinks
                    8 pillars for "Oka"? She has enough shell box for the garage laughing So let's think what to steal laughing
                    1. +1
                      18 August 2019 11: 55
                      So it is, but the garage is such a thing that there is always little space. "Size matters." Yes If the entire "Tornado" fits there, then the "Eye" will not be outside the gates in time. wink
                      1. +1
                        18 August 2019 12: 36
                        There would be "Tornado", and the garage will follow laughing Both the mansion and the "Oka" from the combat-ready museum ... lol
                      2. +1
                        18 August 2019 16: 54
                        If "Tornado", then the "Wasp" is needed for it, not the "Eye". wink
                      3. +1
                        18 August 2019 18: 12
                        Then the "Shell" laughing
                      4. 0
                        18 August 2019 19: 21
                        I agree. But then it’s Porsche, not Oka. lol
                      5. +1
                        18 August 2019 19: 31
                        It is "Oka"
                        Oka (OTR-23, GRAU index 9K714, according to the NATO classification SS-23 Spider (from English - "spider")) - the Soviet operational-tactical missile system developed by the Kolomna Design Bureau of Engineering under the leadership of Sergey Pavlovich Invincible
                        laughing
                      6. +1
                        18 August 2019 20: 40
                        I beg your pardon, I didn't get it at first. Tady "oh", such a contraption is necessary on the farm. Yes
                      7. +1
                        18 August 2019 20: 50
                        In the kulak economy and the bull you know what - the rope laughing
                      8. 0
                        19 August 2019 01: 18
                        Comrade Sukhov said: - That's for sure!
    2. -1
      17 August 2019 15: 02
      No, there’s a lock there, to exclude the detonation of your plane if the missile is different ... and close to the plane ...
  22. 0
    17 August 2019 12: 17
    Well, in "Roskosmos" some people are obliged to compensate for the damage!
  23. +1
    17 August 2019 13: 14
    I was reminded of a comedy with Charlie Sheen "Hotheads" ..
    _ sir, you ditched a military fighter worth tens of millions of dollars!
    - Yes, but I’m paying the state five dollars from each payday! ...
    It's all about the lack of control ... Thank God that there are no victims ...
    1. 0
      17 August 2019 17: 58
      True lie.
      If I break it, subtract it from my salary.
      But that movie ....
  24. +2
    17 August 2019 13: 18
    Protection from the fool should be. And automatic. Well, you can forget about millions, well, where they get that kind of money, it's easier to hang yourself.
    1. 0
      17 August 2019 13: 33
      Something not in the know? Our fools will bypass any defense! laughing
  25. 0
    17 August 2019 13: 31
    They do not plow fools, they do not sow, they themselves will be born, but by and large, the peasants were lucky, even though they remained alive.
  26. 0
    17 August 2019 13: 46
    This, most likely, was a planned horror story for the entire technical staff of the Russian Air Force :-)
    Otherwise, no one would know about it.
  27. 0
    17 August 2019 13: 56
    Not for an accidental start-up, but for the damage caused.
  28. 0
    17 August 2019 16: 25
    Did not fulfill the requirements of the instructions .... How did they even serve before?
  29. -1
    18 August 2019 13: 02
    "In the case file, the cost of each of the missiles was determined according to the materials of the accounting expertise - 18 million 459 thousand rubles. The rest of the equipment, as well as the destroyed hangar and the gate were estimated at 9,5 million rubles. The total material damage was estimated at 46 571 866 rubles. . "

    Eh, they didn’t do it right that they punished SO. Never cover losses like that.
    IT WAS NECESSARY: to appoint to posts with salaries of one million rubles and calculate 25% each. And at the time of full repayment, keep on guardhouse so that if they like it, they will not repeat it.
    The remaining money to pay for the manufacture of new ammunition. At the end of this whole thing, dismiss the little brothers in full reserve.
  30. 0
    18 August 2019 13: 13
    There were many such incidents in the Soviet Air Force! And the bombs fell on the concrete, and missiles were launched into the sheds, and the front landing gear was fired from the cannons. And that was, is, and, unfortunately, will be.
    1. 0
      18 August 2019 15: 13
      And also the fighter bucked .. The pilot ejected from the stalled MiG-23 .. And he Kurvets himself launched and flew to the west .. The NATO members who flew out to catch him were stunned. An empty fighter flies. He blurted out somewhere in Holland ..
  31. 0
    18 August 2019 15: 08
    In fact, in Holland a similar case was recently .. Only there they seemed to shy away from a cannon. According to another fighter ... Well, they attributed the equipment to stress .. From him, the partner seemed to leave .. And then our eagles. Vaughn 4 kids riveted