Critical miscalculation of the US Navy in favor of the fleets of Russia and China. Consequences of leaving “Super Tomketov”

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It has long been no secret to the fact that one of the most compelling reasons forcing the US Navy command was to be in favor of deciding to decommission American deck-based multifunctional fighters of the F-14A / B / D family "Tomcat / Super Tomcat" in the summer of 2006, became rather high accident rates, cost and laboriousness of service, as well as considerable preparation time for the flight and time to replace the engines of the combat vehicles.





What was the reason for the transition of carrier-based aviation of the US Navy only to the “Hornets” and “Super Hornets”?


As for the reference samples and the main applicants for the replacement of complex and expensive to maintain "Tomketov" considered more compact and lightweight multi-purpose fighter F / A-18C / D "Hornet", earlier versions of the more advanced F / A-18E / F "Super Hornet" ”, As well as the future deck-based fighters of the 5 generation F-35B and F-35C, in which high-ranking military officials from the Pentagon and the US Navy command saw tools capable of ensuring the implementation of the entire spectrum of operational and tactical tasks in the maritime and oceanic theaters of operations. And there is absolutely nothing surprising in this, because for that period of time the "track record" list of the same "Hornets" was not overshadowed by so many emergencies and disasters that the fighter-interceptors of the F-14A "Tomacat" family could "boast" ( more than 80 — 120 incidents with technical undercovering). And only by 2015 (according to this negative criterion) did the Hornets manage to overtake the F-14A / B / D ruler. With regard to the complexity of maintenance, by this criterion "Tomkets" lost F / A-18C / D 3,5 times (53,7 versus 14,6 people. * H on 1 hours of flight, respectively).

Representatives are even more interested fleet and the US defense department called on early modifications of the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighters, the first batch of which began to gain operational combat readiness in the spring and summer of 2000. The information that appeared in mid-2006 about “bringing to mind” the elemental base and software of advanced multi-mode AFAR radars in AN / APG-79, intended for installation on Super Hornets, put an end to the discussions regarding a possible extension of the operational life of family fighters "Tomcat", including multi-purpose modification of the generation "4+" F-14D.

The above-mentioned radar complexes, in contrast to the obsolete “tomketovskikh” AN / APG-71 with slotted antenna arrays, were able to work in GMTI modes (tracking moving ground targets), SAR / ISAR (synthesized / reversed synthesized aperture with resolution around 1 m, instead of 5 — 10 m), as well as EW, due to the pairing of transceiver modules with tunable RFTF filters.

Consequently, the level of immunity of the APG-79 has achieved exceptional performance, allowing the F / A-18E / F fighter jets to operate in the most complex interference environment. Decent flight performance of the Hornets and the Super Hornets also contributed to the final failure of the fleet from the F-14A / D. In particular, F / A-18C / D and F / A-18E / F are capable of flying with speeds close to “stalling” in 200 — 240 km / h (at angles of attack up to 35 — 55 degrees), while performing complex elements of pilotage, including the maneuver "Pirouette", which represents the rotation of the machine on roll with an angle of attack of about 30 hail. (the flight path forms a kind of spatial spiral with a radius of several tens of meters). Also, the “Hornet’s” family of cars have a good angular speed of steady-state reversal, reaching 18 — 21,5 degrees / s (depending on the combat load and the amount of fuel in the fuel system), which will allow them to achieve success in dog dumps with most of the known Transitional generation fighters whose engines are not equipped with thrust vector deflection systems.

The implementation of such elements of the F / A-18C / D / E / F aerobatics contributed to:
- first, advanced integrated circuits of the hornets “Hornets” and “Super Hornets”, presented by the developed aerodynamic influxes at the root parts of the wing and by the vertical tail surfaces with rudders that did not fall into the “aerodynamic shadow” of the wing when flying with large angles of attack,

- secondly, worthy thrust-to-weight ratio (approximately 1,05-1,1 kgf / kg) achieved by the use of powerful turbofan F404-GE-402 and F414-GE-400 total thrust 16330 and 18780 kgf and afterburner thrust at midship in 2437 and 2889 kgf / sq. m for the "Hornets" and "Super Hornets", respectively;

- thirdly, high aerodynamic performance in 10,29 and 12,32 units. for F / A-18C and F / A-18E respectively, which is even more than that of Su-35С and only slightly behind Su-57 (13,6 units);

- and finally, fourthly, promising computerized EDSUs operated by high-performance on-board computers.

So, the early F / A-18A / B "Hornet" for the first time in stories deck aviation The US Navy received the promising 16-bit computer AN / AYK-14 (V), providing the operation of both the inertial navigation systems AN / ARN-118 TACAN and the EMF, which allowed the vehicles to overcome the enemy’s anti-air "umbrellas" in the envelope mode in difficult terrain meteorological conditions (at altitudes from 35 to 100 m).

Starting in the middle of the 80's. data digital computer, built around a "core» AMD 2900, were widely spread in the United States Navy and have been integrated into the avionics deck aircraft AWACS E-2C «Hawkeye», multi-decked attack aircraft AV-8B «Harrier», aircraft electronic warfare EA-6B «Prowler , The F-14D multi-purpose deck fighter and even the 324-mm torpedoes Mk 50. Today, as part of the numerous stages of the Block III modernization program, most of the F / A-18C / D / E / F deck fighters in service with the US Navy and USMC and the Growler EW EA-18G EW Fighter Planes are being re-equipped and equipped with new-generation on-board computers Advanced Mission Computer Type-4, Advanced Capability Mission Computer, and Flight Control Computer (OFP V38 / 39.1). Their computational capabilities make it possible in the shortest possible time to “build” the most tactically adjusted low-altitude flight trajectories through the enemy's anti-missile defense systems, building on the terrain features of the theater of operations, as well as the characteristics of the radar equipment attached to enemy anti-aircraft missile systems and the missile defense methods .

The losing stake of the command of the American fleet only on deck fighters of the Super Hornet family irrevocably “rolled back” the strike-defensive potential of aircraft carrier formations


Meanwhile, it can be stated that in this case, the thoughtless pursuit of representatives of the US Navy and high-ranking Pentagon military officials are constantly updating the fleet’s aviation fleet, which provides for the cancellation of proven and quite effective Tomcats and Super Tomcetts (despite the high cost of their maintenance and operation) played a pretty bad trick on both the shock and defensive potentials of the US Navy's carrier strike forces. Thus, the maximum flight speed of Tomcats, reaching 2200 — 2300 km / h with an air-to-air suspension configuration, could provide the vehicles with access to the launch lines of AIM-54C and AIM-120D URVV by about 20-30% earlier than F / A-18E / F, whose speed (with air combat missiles on suspension nodes) barely reaches 1,6М (of the order of 1700 km / h) at altitudes 7 — 12 km, or even slower deck-based 5-fighter generation F-35C.


Multipurpose deck fighter generation "4 ++" F / A-18F in double


Unable to "hornets" line to boast and outstanding combat range. If the F / A-18E / F has this indicator of 760 km without PTB and 1200 km with three outboard fuel tanks, then the F-14D "Super Tomcat", equipped with 2 PTB, is able to perform percussion operations and solve air defense tasks in 1500 km radius . What does this mean?

First of all, about the ability to deliver point strikes "depth" to 2800 km with the use of subtle tactical missiles large AGM-158B JASSM-ER. F / A-18E / F fighters (using the same missiles) are capable of striking a distance of no more than 2200 — 2400 km. Secondly, the possibility of the formation of anti-aircraft zones of restriction and prohibition of access and maneuver (A2 / AD) within a radius of 1700 km from a friendly aircraft carrier strike group (using the AIM-54C "Phoenix" and AIM-120D missiles with an 180 range) . Conclusion: "Tomketa" and "Super Tomketa" had a significantly higher potential of pre-emptive interception of enemy aircraft carrier hypersonic air attack.

Slow and less “long-range” decked F / A-18E / F, which the US Defense Department relied on, are able to install an “anti-aircraft umbrella” within a radius of just 1100-1200 km from the aircraft carrier, which will be completely insufficient to prevent an air attack from using new modifications of the domestic hypersonic anti-ship rocket “Zircon”, not to mention the promising aeroballistic medium-range missile X-47М2 “Dagger”, launched from a distance of 2200 km.

Another indisputable advantage of the F-14D is hidden in the much larger internal diameter of the nose of the fuselage and the radome of the on-board radar. While in F / A-18E / F it is on the order of 850 mm, in F-14D it approaches 1000 — 1100 in mm. From this it follows that in the course of the modernization, the Super Tomcat could receive on the 25-30% a more powerful onboard radar with an AFAR that has a significantly larger web diameter (aperture) than the APG-79 radar of the Super Hornet fighter. It is easy to assume that such a radar could outperform even the most “high-energy” American fighter radar AN / APG-77 in its main characteristics, detecting enemy air targets at a distance of up to 450 km (like the Russian Irbis-E radar).

Much fortunately, due to the stupidity of the command of the US Navy and the four-star Pentagon generals, all F-14A / D multi-role fighters were irrevocably written off and sent to scrap metal and museums in the middle of 2000's, which finally deprived the American carrier-based attack groups of the "long arm" "Capable of effectively resisting our and Chinese aircraft and aircraft carrying hypersonic anti-ship weapons until the middle of the XXI century.
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  1. 0
    21 June 2019 05: 13
    For a war with the natives, a banana republic will go, but a bear and a tiger should be scared from a distance.
    1. +1
      21 June 2019 06: 53
      Quote: Ka-52

      Eugene, well, after all, the conclusion is sucked out of thin air.

      almost everything is done like that ... the "cats" were very emergency, difficult to handle. on this, the article can be finished.
  2. 0
    21 June 2019 05: 30
    Well, Eugene, he served his F14 - he is too expensive to operate and repair! And its modernization is also unprofitable, it is cheaper to build the same f18 in the f18 f version!
    1. -1
      21 June 2019 08: 27
      F14 served his - too expensive it is in operation and repair!

      As if the F-35 is much cheaper)))
      But in terms of opportunities - I will support the author - the Americans themselves cut their wings)))
      1. 0
        21 June 2019 08: 56
        Quote: lucul

        But in terms of opportunities - I will support the author - the Americans themselves cut their wings)))

        What do the Americans themselves think about this?
        1. +1
          21 June 2019 09: 40
          What do the Americans themselves think about this?

          After the Great Depression, in the USA, the opinion of Americans can be neglected, everything is decided for them.
        2. +5
          21 June 2019 13: 37
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          What do the Americans themselves think about this?

          And the most sensible American analysts sounded the alarm, demanding to keep the "long arm" even at the cost (at the beginning of the 30s) of purchasing Su-22 gliders from Russia, installing engines from the F-XNUMX and the most powerful radar on them. A very exotic proposal, but then there was a "candy-bouquet" period of relations and American analysts, realizing that they were losing their "long arm" ... desperately dreamed.
  3. -2
    21 June 2019 05: 42
    From this it follows that during the upgrade, “Super Tomcat” could get a 25-30% more powerful airborne radar station with AFAR, which has a significantly larger web diameter (aperture) than the APG-79 radar of the “Super Hornet” fighter

    Eugene, well, after all, the conclusion is sucked out of thin air. An increase in the diameter of the web, as a consequence of the number of PPM, will drag the increase in the weight of the radar. And this increase in weight will not be proportional to the increase in the technical capabilities of AFAR. Instead of 200-220kg like the one for AN / APG-77, it will weigh 300-350. And this is just the grill itself. Add the weight of the complex here and get a serious figure of 750 ± 50 kg. And this shift of the center of mass and the change in the flight characteristics of the aircraft
    1. +14
      21 June 2019 13: 57
      The one on "Tomket" and the previous radar was not made of polystyrene, and the new generation usually gives a weight gain - a more advanced and compact element base. So the new would be no heavier than the old.
      But the Americans abandoned the F-14 because (without an equivalent replacement), they felt that they would no longer have a truly strong enemy. And for the weak, the Hornets are enough. But there is no need to support the very complex F-14, the performance characteristics of which they considered already redundant.
    2. +1
      23 June 2019 17: 55
      On another resource, I saw a layout about the standard interception of an aircraft (take-off from the deck of an on-duty couple) discovered 600 km from the AUG with a tacket and a hornet. The cat does it much faster (internal tanks are larger, i.e. better aerodynamics, faster speeds, better dynamics, more weapons).
      If the duty link is in the air, then the difference is not so great, but the farther the detection of the aggressor, the more effective the tomcat becomes. But constantly keeping the link in the air is unrealistic even for Americans.
  4. -8
    21 June 2019 07: 18
    Eh ... again the juggler of "figures" Zhenek, who does not understand their essence. However, like all his articles.
  5. 0
    21 June 2019 08: 12
    Minke whales do what they see fit ... that's fine. They do not stand still and really want to be ahead of the rest!
    We are measured with them, who is longer ... further, faster, completely useless, and beyond their strength, in the aggregate! Perform your tasks based on your abilities! To work for the future, Schaub does not end up completely at the tail ... normal and doable.
  6. -2
    21 June 2019 08: 54
    Damn it, Damantsev wrote a second article non-separable !!! in relation to domestic weapons
    1. +3
      21 June 2019 10: 29
      Comprehensive in the garden of Americans laughing
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    1. +8
      21 June 2019 11: 11
      Quote: Michael S
      Do you consider yourself smarter than all American military analysts, economists, inventors and testers?

      Mwa ha ha ... American military analysts, economists. inventors and testers, pomnitsa, strongly supported the rejection of USN frigates and the transition to universal LCS. As a result, it turned out that a fleet without normal frigates cannot. And it came to the point that the navy seriously made proposals on the return to the fleet of the newest decommissioned UCP.
      1. -5
        21 June 2019 11: 52
        Quote: Alexey RA
        transition to universal LCS

        And what does the tomcat have to do with it?
        1. +11
          21 June 2019 12: 01
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          And what does the tomcat have to do with it?

          With that opinion American military analysts, economists, inventors and testers can not be taken as a standard.
          It may well be that in a couple of years with a yell "everything is lost, boss, everything is lost - we have nothing to intercept the N-type anti-ship missiles of the DD at distant frontiers"The same people will actively campaign for the" long arm "of the AUG air defense in the form of high-speed multirole fighters with long-range RVVs.
          1. +4
            21 June 2019 13: 57
            Quote: Alexey RA
            the opinion of American military analysts, economists, inventors and testers cannot be taken as a standard

            View generally can not be taken as a standard - it is different. American military analysts, economists, inventors and testers on the Internet more than Russian.
            Then the decision to abandon Tomcat (from the entire complex F-14 / A-6 / A-7 with a replacement for a single F / A-18) was absolutely adequate. In the absence of a serious threat for many years to come, the Navy could afford a universal aircraft instead of special ones, agreeing to compromise characteristics in exchange for all the advantages of a universal solution.

            Now even more so. No one will build a new five for the fleet for that kind of money; nothing new about the +++++++++ four.
            1. +2
              21 June 2019 15: 36
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Then the decision to abandon Tomcat (from the entire complex F-14 / A-6 / A-7 with a replacement for a single F / A-18) was absolutely adequate.

              In the 90s - I agree. The Soviet Navy died, the need to intercept swarms of anti-ship missiles and "carcasses" from the blackboard disappeared. And the budget was cut with the end of the Cold War - it was necessary to start saving. smile
              But since the 2000s, the issue of normal air defense could already be taken care of again. For China.
              1. -2
                21 June 2019 15: 50
                Quote: Alexey RA
                For China.

                What is China?
    2. 0
      21 June 2019 12: 35
      Do you believe in the military genius of the Russian army, cracking at all seams

      I remember in August 2008 this "bursting at the seams" didn’t go to the full with the "valiant Georgian", trained by the "brilliant Americans".
      1. 0
        21 June 2019 14: 30
        Quote: Okolotochny
        piled not in full "valiant Georgian"

        If I am not mistaken, Georgia in terms of population, territory and GDP approximately corresponds to the Samara region.
        1. +6
          21 June 2019 15: 36
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          If I am not mistaken, Georgia in terms of population, territory and GDP approximately corresponds to the Samara region.

          Do Georgia’s GDP count with or without markets in Russia? wink
          1. 0
            21 June 2019 15: 54
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Do Georgia’s GDP count with or without markets in Russia?

            This is not as important as one would like to think. Russia is Georgia’s third largest trading partner after the united EU and Turkey.
        2. 0
          23 June 2019 00: 38
          What are you striped? And why then rocked the peacekeepers? Wasn't GDP an option to compare in July 2008? And here we are not talking about GDP — don’t introduce your American into the harlot, it’s about the words that the Russian army is “bursting at the seams”. However, "" cracking at the seams "tumbled down the Georgians and American instructors, who famously lezginka danced under the Georgian screw.
          1. -3
            23 June 2019 02: 56
            Quote: Okolotochny
            Why then rocked the peacekeepers

            1. You see, there are no peacekeepers. RF Armed Forces - a party to the conflict.
            2. Alas, Mishiko did not want to believe it. For too long I didn’t want to, and still I wouldn’t have time to do anything. The world is not perfect, nobody is perfect.
            Quote: Okolotochny
            However, "" cracking at the seams "tumbled down Georgians and American instructors

            You see, there is an opinion of people who closely followed the situation that 58 And it was extremely lucky that she was dealing with the Mishiks, and not, say, the Dudaevs. This, of course, is an argument about a grandmother who would be a grandfather, but still it should be borne in mind that opponents are different.

            By the way, part of the conclusions were made. There is an opinion that the performance of the RF Armed Forces in 2014 was much more intelligent.
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              +2
              23 June 2019 03: 52
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              there are no peacekeepers. Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - a party to the conflict

              You see, peacekeepers differ from observers in that they, if necessary, take the side opposite to the aggression that has undertaken.
              When a police outfit comes to a call to a place where a distraught person with an ax chasing neighbors - the outfit takes the side of these neighbors, de facto, with the help of which the fulfillment of the peacekeeping function is only achieved.
              When the distraught Georgians began to kill their neighbors, the Russian Federation defended the side being destroyed, which ensured peace in the region. So it will be in the future.
            2. xax
              -1
              23 June 2019 03: 57
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              58 And it was exceptionally lucky that she was dealing with the Mishikovites, and not, let’s say, the Dudayevites

              58 And I had to deal with the Dudaevites. Which did not affect the outcome.
              1. -2
                23 June 2019 07: 09
                Quote: xax
                You see, peacekeepers differ from observers in that they, if necessary, take the side opposite to the aggression that has undertaken.

                You see, there is another terminology. In this terminology, the people you call peacekeepers are called occupiers, and the leader of the South Ossetian people, Mr. Kokoity (by the way, where is he?) Is called a collaborator.

                Then, in 2008, this point of view was not generally accepted. But time passes, the picture is changing.

                Quote: xax
                So it will be in the future.

                We will see. For a very long time, the so-called states occupying the original Soviet lands lied to their citizens that peaceful coexistence is possible with Russia. For this lies Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine paid. The next one, most likely, will be paid by Belarus.
                There are people, there are many of them in Georgia who want to lie further. So far it turns out.
                Quote: xax
                58 And I had to deal with the Dudaevites.

                Yes, that’s what evil tongues spoke. Why every time the first time, they asked. How can this be?
                1. xax
                  +1
                  23 June 2019 07: 23
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  You see, there is another terminology. In this terminology, the people you call peacekeepers are called occupiers

                  How can someone occupy land in relation to you that does not belong to you? I agree, there are people who consider themselves Napoleons or someone else, but say that, they say, there is another terminology for Napoleon, and Napoleon is not the one who fought with Russia in 1812, but the one who is in the regional asylum now sits - this is complete cretinism.

                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  lied to their citizens that peaceful coexistence is possible with Russia

                  Peaceful coexistence is not when you jump into a fight, but they don’t answer you). If your fists itch - be prepared to lie face in the mud. And if you have brains, you will understand that it is better to be friends with Russia than to fight. Here peaceful coexistence will come.
                2. xax
                  -1
                  23 June 2019 07: 27
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine ... Belarus.

                  Do not confuse Belarus and Ukraine with Georgia. Belarus and Ukraine are the original Russian lands inhabited by Russian people. Flesh of flesh, as they say. Georgia is, by the efforts of the Russian people, a territory pulled out of the primitive communal system, inhabited by ungrateful people who do not remember their history. We haven't said "thank you" to them for Stalin yet.
                  1. -2
                    23 June 2019 10: 46
                    Quote: xax
                    How can someone occupy land in relation to you that does not belong to you?

                    Quote: xax
                    primordial Russian lands inhabited by Russian people

                    Quote: xax
                    Georgia - through the efforts of the Russian people, the territory pulled out of the primitive communal system, populated by ungrateful people

                    You are absolutely right, thanks. This is what the most stubborn liberals, like Babchenko, are trying to explain to different people on Facebook.

                    It should be understood, liberals write, that a Russian is a Soviet person. It is not known whether there are a lot of Soviet people in Russia, but quite a lot, and among the 60+ who now rule Russia, their overwhelming majority. As a result, the foreign policy views of Soviet people are a kind of official position of both the state and society. One cannot fall into the sin of pride, liberals write, one cannot say that we will not pay attention to the viewer from Taganrog in a T-shirt. There is a viewer from Taganrog; it is extremely dangerous.

                    How does the Soviet people see the outside world?

                    Eastern Europe, the former Slavic brothers are a bit of a slut. The Soviet people loved them, did so much for them, freed them from the Nazis (especially Bulgaria), rebuilt them all, fed them, watered, and they wagged their tail and went to their neighbor. The western neighbor is, of course, a mattress (rougher, of course), there are no more countries for Soviet people.

                    All sorts of talk that the fraternal Soviet people, the damn thing these 40 years, arranged scuffle and even drank the walls, the Soviet people angrily dismissed.

                    Resentment remained on the slut, of course. But you can’t put a fingal bitch, the mattress is a serious, scary person.

                    The intermediate position is occupied by the Baltic states. Of course, the native Soviet land, but on the other hand, Soviet people always felt that these were not their own, not Soviet. Yes, the caterpillars of the Abrams will drive off their native Soviet land, yes, there Russian people suffer and gay and fascists parade, but still it is foreign.

                    But the rest is another matter. If the Soviet people recognize the lousy, traitorous darling behind the same Poles, then the Ukrainian or Belarusian people cannot have it by definition. There are no such nations. Ukraine is not our woman who went to the mattress, this is our cow, which the mattress took away. Returning your cow is normal, it is fair. Ask for the opinion of a cow? Rave!

                    The Ukrainian people, the Ukrainian state - this is the mess that mattresses brought. In Ukraine, Russian people suffer and wait for freedom (from the mattress pad), although there is, of course, all rot, all trash, Catholics, Jews, Bandera. It was this trash that the mattresses dragged to all the stands and televisions to divide the Russian people. It seemed just to brush it off the table, and the end was over.

                    Did not work out.

                    Georgia is not quite Ukraine; there, after all, one does not hear much about the suffering of Russian people. But not the state, what nonsense. For a Soviet man, beautiful, ancient Georgia is such an overgrown Pyatigorsk that he had imagined before a fig. We (Soviet people) are looking at them for now, but if we need brains, we’ll set them right, otherwise you’ll be cho.

                    As it turned out, the bloodless collapse of the USSR is not only a plus. Countries missed the national liberation wars shaping the nation. It turned out not to be missed. Postponed.

                    Any post-Soviet country that claims to be independent is obliged to prepare for war with Russia. From the point of view of Russia, it, like Israel for the Palestinians, has no right to exist. Like Israel, it must win this right. This is work for every day, work for many years. This is sweat, blood and tears.

                    This is the only way to freedom.

                    There is no other.

                    Alas.
                    1. xax
                      +3
                      23 June 2019 11: 19
                      Have you tried telling the same thing to experts? I knew several women who hated husbands after a divorce, who were quite able to overcome this problem, having gone through a course of conversations with a good psychologist. Try it, too, before it's too late.
                      Remember, the first step to health is awareness of the disease!

                      And by virtue of my abilities, I will begin to help you right now, hoping that in your head there is still at least a little logic and common sense left:

                      1. The history of Russia is not limited to modernity and the Soviet Union. It is foolish to believe that, for the time being, our views are formed by the rulers remaining from the Union.

                      2. My ancestors gave their lives and health to many of the surrounding peoples in the wars for their freedom and prosperity. After that, we did not use the liberated lands as colonies, similar to what was customary among our Western partners (even more so: that in the Union, that stupid hospitality flourished in the Empire - the peoples of these territories enjoyed various privileges that were not accessible to the broad masses of the Russian population). As a result, we will consider any ingratitude and help to our enemies today as a betrayal. And betrayal is the only thing that the broad Russian soul does not forgive (remember the fate of the Volga Bulgars and Nogai, for example).

                      3. Asking the cow's opinion - clinic. We ask the opinion of people, as it was, for example, at the referendum in Crimea. If you had bothered to do the same for Ossetia, then even the stupidest of you would have understood that you are not expected there and for you there is "no land".

                      4. Regarding the obligation of all countries of the post-Soviet space to prepare for a war with Russia, it smells of something clinical that needs to be healed not by a psychologist, but by a psychiatrist with pills and little ukoliki. And if you don’t go yourself, someone needs to deliver you to the doctor by force, because your mania threatens to turn into a grief of many people, and this is unacceptable.
                    2. xax
                      +2
                      23 June 2019 11: 40
                      And a couple of general points for understanding:

                      a) The peoples that left the USSR (and before that, many of them were part of the Russian Empire, that is, it was part of Russia in a broad historical sense), they do not have the right to prevent other nations from leaving the newly formed states, since this would suggest that, for example, Georgians are better than Ossetians, for example, and this, excuse me, is Nazism and discrimination, unacceptable in the 21st century.

                      b) The states formed by the peoples who left the USSR did not become independent. And if the states bordering with us cannot be independent, then it is even better if they depend on us than on our enemies.
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                      3. +1
                        24 June 2019 08: 50
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Irina Anatolyevna Yarovaya, who also supported inter-parliamentary Orthodoxy there as she could

                        Guilty, not checked.

                        Among the members of the Russian delegation are Sergey Gavrilov (Communist Party), Alexey Chepa (SR), Ivan Sukharev (LDPR), Nikolai Zemtsov (United Russia).

                        Irina Anatolyevna also supports Orthodoxy, but she did not go to Georgia, as if her heart prompted a wise woman. A stone from the soul.
                      4. -2
                        26 June 2019 01: 40
                        ) The peoples who left the USSR (and before that many of them were part of the Russian Empire, that is, it was part of Russia in a broad historical sense), do not have the right to prevent other nations from leaving the newly formed states, so as it would say that, for example, Georgians are something better than, for example, Ossetians, and this, excuse me, is Nazism and discrimination, unacceptable in the 21st century.

                        b) The states formed by the peoples who left the USSR did not become independent. And if the states bordering with us cannot be independent, then it is even better if they depend on us than on our enemies.


                        Will we raise the question of Ichkeria? Or about freedom of exit you’ll finish yourself?
                        And who is talking about the dependence and independence of other nations? Who do you think you are? By the Lord God? Confused nothing? I’ll tell you a terrible secret - people from neighboring countries don’t want to be in a single state with people like you, and it’s not in the memory of grandfathers that the granddaughters turned out to be flawed in the brain, but with big ambitions. Still surrounded by fascists they’re fighting and letting trains derail ... Russia is not the right country now to influence something and drive it into dependence. Neighboring countries of the blood, of course, can still spoil, still the scale! but something serious, by no means. So leave your imperial ambitions to communicate with local Natsiks like you. All the normal leaders of other countries that were once in the Union will be guided where technology, money, security and transparent business rules are not thieves’s concepts .. And, unfortunately, this is not Russia. The most recent example is Armenia, slowly sailing from a large sinking ship ... Such as you didn’t teach the collapse of the Union ... confident walking in the old tried and tested way will always lead you to the same destination! but don’t worry, drink beer, watch the first channel, trust Rogozin and be happy ...
                      5. xax
                        -2
                        26 June 2019 02: 20
                        Will we raise the question of Ichkeria?

                        Analogies are not possible here, this is an objective fact, no matter how offensive it was to anyone .. Russia at all times alone could extinguish the waves that threatened the death of, all but small, all of humanity. Russia is important for the whole world, so that now the world would not be flooded with ears there. At the same time, the world does not care if there is a country with the same name as the fourth US state in Transcaucasia or not at all.

                        Quote: MANITU-2
                        And who argues about the dependence and independence of other nations?

                        And who dared to tell me this, spraying with saliva, what should I talk about, but what should I not do?
                      6. -2
                        27 June 2019 15: 52
                        Quote: xax
                        Analogies are not possible here, this is an objective fact, no matter how offensive it was to anyone .. Russia at all times alone could extinguish the waves that threatened the death of, all but small, all of humanity. Russia is important for the whole world, so that now the world would not be flooded with ears there. At the same time, the world does not care if there is a country with the same name as the fourth US state in Transcaucasia or not at all.


                        This is why analogies are impossible? Is it because you have an extra chromosome and an Aryan profile? Does megalomania pursue? We decide the fate of peoples without getting up off the couch? Did you learn the history of what Murzilka? Less than half of the territory was left of the once Russian Empire. No one in the world shot himself ... If, for example, in ten years from the Russian Federation only a third will remain, of course everyone in the world will make themselves hara-kiri! Blessed is he who believes ... With the current economic and political order in the Russian Federation, she cannot survive in a single state, they passed already in the 91st. The regions will not feed Moscow with its snickering ministers and colonels of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The problem of the Caucasus has not been solved; it has been put aside. China already receives everything it wants from the Russian Federation on its own terms .. The United States is still playing with the Russian Federation, having all the economic and political levers for pressure. because a collapsed Russia will critically strengthen China. This is their main geopolitical competitor. If you take it seriously, then you will be sawing your missiles and tanks to pieces for $ 5 a month under the supervision of an American uncle, so as not to stretch your legs ... Like in the 90s ...
                        For example, I don’t give a damn about Transcaucasia. You see if the world is not only you. Count it up!
                        Listen up and you are russian, exactly? I have doubts ... and ... apparently, you do not know Russian sayings.
                      7. xax
                        0
                        27 June 2019 16: 19
                        Quote: MANITU-2
                        This is why analogies are impossible?

                        There he wrote above. Is knocking on keys easier than thinking?
                      8. xax
                        0
                        27 June 2019 16: 28
                        If you have junk in your head, be careful not to spit saliva so that people around you won’t even guess about it)
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                      10. xax
                        0
                        28 June 2019 00: 45
                        Quote: MANITU-2
                        in this world everyone is born equal, remember this

                        Then why do not you understand my thesis (I will bring it again):
                        a) The peoples that left the USSR (and before that, many of them were part of the Russian Empire, that is, it was part of Russia in a broad historical sense), they do not have the right to prevent other nations from leaving the newly formed states, since this would suggest that, for example, Georgians are better than Ossetians, for example, and this, excuse me, is Nazism and discrimination, unacceptable in the 21st century.


                        This thesis of the equality of people just follows. Ossetians and Georgians in particular. Why are you sputtering everything here, if you also think so?

                        I agree with the thesis? Speak, balabol.
                    3. 0
                      25 June 2019 11: 13
                      Wrote a complete crap. Russia absolutely does not give a shit about all these republics. And even more do not give a shit to all residents of Russia. But on the other hand there are just constant claims. It’s not in Russia that there were demonstrations about Georgia.
                3. 0
                  24 June 2019 11: 03
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  The next one, most likely, will be paid by Belarus.

                  Kazakhstan also appropriated a lot of the primordial .... the truth is that Chinese friends have many interests there
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            3. +1
              24 June 2019 01: 07
              Until August 2008, the Russian Armed Forces, but rather the Russian Federation was a party to the conflict ???? Documents in the studio. Alternative you.
              And for the opinion that in 2014 .... blah blah is not an opinion, it is an objective reality that exists besides your consciousness, it is a FACT!
              1. 0
                24 June 2019 01: 49
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Until August 2008, the Russian Armed Forces, but rather the Russian Federation was a party to the conflict?

                You see, for a long time Georgia itself was a gangster enclave, so it developed in harmony and understanding with both Ossetia and Russia. When the country began to change, naturally, misunderstanding arose on the part of the Russian leadership. As rightly noted uv. hah, betrayal is not forgiven. I decided to get off, to become the right one.

                Now the same processes are going on in Armenia. Let's see what happens. It’s easier for them, there is no border.

                Accordingly, Mr. Kokoity’s freedom fighters played the role of bait. As happened with other fighters, 6 years later. Mishiko did not understand this, went head-on, as if Kokoity was fighting on his own. It was necessary to invent something smarter. And in advance. But then, after the fight, wave your fists.

                On the other hand, the battle is lost, but the war is not over. As long as there is Russia, it will not end. Hah, he also explained quite well.

                Quote: Okolotochny
                And for the opinion that in 2014 .... blah blah

                Are you talking about what worked better? So I don’t argue.

                Therefore, it is necessary to prepare better, and not like APU, when it was necessary to collect cannon fodder for the militia.
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    4. +1
      22 June 2019 23: 27
      Quote: Michael S
      Do you consider yourself smarter than all American military analysts, economists, inventors and testers?
      Maybe you believe in the military genius of the Russian army, bursting at all seams and disgraced by the falling fighters and the sky-smoking Kuznetsov?
      Fear God!

      How did it distort you, the Russian language, apparently, is not native. It even became interesting - who are you?
      The genius of the "Russian army" is visible on the world map.
      "Journalism, of course, is the second ancient profession, but not so dirty"
      Your profession, apparently, is even dirtier.
      1. 0
        26 June 2019 01: 52
        How did it distort you, the Russian language, apparently, is not native. It even became interesting - who are you?

        And what, the truth can only be for those who have "native Russian" or did it prevent you from understanding the meaning of what this person wrote? If so, why are you making a noise? Minor in the course of you ...
  8. +7
    21 June 2019 09: 45
    "I remembered my grandmother as a girl" (C) laughing

    Any aircraft with a variable sweep of the wing is much more expensive (in production and operation) of an aircraft with a constant sweep - in terms of the airframe and power actuators, of course. As soon as high-power jet engines appeared, variable-sweep aircraft were retired (MiGs and Tomkets).

    Well, the author needs to cut back the sturgeon - the radius of the air defense zone of the AUG is determined not by the flight radius of the carrier-based aircraft, but by the detection distance of air targets by the Hawkeye AWACS aircraft (for low-altitude targets 400 km, for RC with an RCS of 0,01 sq. M ~ 40 km)

    And high-altitude targets such as the "Zircon" missile, although they are detected by the "Hokai" at a distance of ~ 1000 km, do not go astray due to the absence of any corresponding anti-aircraft missiles from the AUG. bully
    1. +4
      21 June 2019 10: 06
      Quote: Operator
      Well, the author needs to cut back the sturgeon - the radius of the air defense zone of the AUG is determined not by the flight radius of the carrier-based aircraft, but by the detection distance of air targets by the Hawkeye AWACS aircraft (for low-altitude targets 400 km, for RC with an RCS of 0,01 sq. M ~ 40 km)

      And the high-altitude targets such as the "Zircon" missile, although they are detected by the "Hokai" at a distance of ~ 1000 km, do not go astray due to the absence of any corresponding anti-aircraft missiles from the AU.

      I'll start with hockey. Is he obliged to fly over an aircraft carrier? It seems to be not, and this significantly enhances the capabilities of AUG.
      detection range is not only target designation, but also a commonplace reaction time.
      Agree, the possibilities of repelling a missile attack, if it is detected from 50 km and from 500, are very different.
      1. +6
        21 June 2019 10: 11
        Quote: yehat
        I'll start with hokaya. Is he supposed to fly over an aircraft carrier?

        No, of course, the typical line of observation - in 300 km from AUG, if necessary - the second one is sent to 600 km from AUG in the direction of the threat.
        1. +1
          21 June 2019 10: 17
          But how did our "Kuzya" manage without AWACS?
          1. +2
            21 June 2019 10: 21
            very simple - they could detect it by notching the operation of the radar for several hundred kilometers.
            and the air patrol, in the first place, is not so noticeable, and secondly, when discovered, it only indicates the presence of an avik, but not where it is.
            1. +6
              21 June 2019 11: 17
              Quote: yehat
              and the air patrol, in the first place, is not so noticeable, and secondly, when discovered, it only indicates the presence of an avik, but not where it is.

              The same is true of the Hawkeye. For the area of ​​operation of the AWACS aircraft is always selected aside from the group (100-150 miles). And the discovery of "Hawkeye" in the same way only says that somewhere there is AUG.
              Actually, here is the AUG air defense scheme "in the maximum version":
          2. +10
            21 June 2019 10: 23
            Quote: novel xnumx
            But how did our "Kuzya" manage without AWACS?

            Yes, bad, to be honest. That an aircraft carrier needs such an aircraft was well understood in the USSR, which is why the Yak-44 was made
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          4. +6
            21 June 2019 12: 50
            Quote: novel xnumx
            But how did our "Kuzya" manage without AWACS?

            Palliative with three Su-33 (with suspended reconnaissance containers). Three - because all the equipment does not fit into one Dryer, so each of the three carries its own special container that performs separate functions. Those. all together it works as a "tandem" AWACS aircraft, downright Orthodox "one in three persons".
            1. +2
              21 June 2019 13: 14
              fudge ...
            2. +6
              21 June 2019 15: 49
              Quote: Kuroneko
              Palliative with three Su-33s (with suspended reconnaissance containers). Three - because all the equipment does not fit on one Dryer, so each of the three carries its own special container that performs separate functions.

              And now, with all this, we will try to provide the main mode of operation of the AWACS: 24/7 duty in the air of at least one car. smile
              And then what will be left of the Kuznetsov air group for the air patrol (not to mention the deck reserve)?
      2. -6
        21 June 2019 10: 19
        "Zircons" on the drum, from which side the "Hawkeye" (the radiation of which is recorded by radio-technical reconnaissance satellites at a distance of over 2000 km) will fly - all the same, there is nothing to bring down the "Zircons" at the AUG.

        But a comparison of the location of the radio emission of the Hawaiian and the aircraft carrier (in terms of long-range and short-range radio beacons of carrier-based aircraft) will unequivocally tell the enemy's submarine and surface ships (as well as his aircraft) where the AUG is in the "blind" direction of the anti-ship missile approach.

        PS Smaller read the nonsense about the green-street handwriting by Americans of a rocket attack on their own AUG laughing
        1. +5
          21 June 2019 10: 25
          Quote: Operator
          "Zircons" on the drum, from which side will the "Hawkeye" fly (the radiation of which is recorded by electronic reconnaissance satellites at a distance of over 2000 km)

          laughing fool What to take from the operator?
          1. +3
            21 June 2019 11: 36
            milking machine operator am
  9. +9
    21 June 2019 09: 51
    Critical miscalculation of the US Navy in favor of the fleets of Russia and China. Consequences of leaving “Super Tomketov”

    In any way - no more, no less! And what will change? Will there be fewer aircraft carriers on mattresses? No. Planes on them? Also no. Given the capabilities of their aviation industry, it’s ridiculous to think about it! So why squeeze such hap-throwing articles? Maybe he'll be better at taking care of his own state, the only one, how would it be better to call him, but oh well - the carrier of the aircraft "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov"! sad
    1. +1
      21 June 2019 17: 01
      Quote: Radikal
      Will there be less aircraft carriers for mattresses?

      By the way, there are fewer of them. It was 12, now on paper 11, in fact 9 (Ford is not operational, Washington is undergoing major repairs).
  10. +5
    21 June 2019 09: 57
    In short, the author’s absolute ignorance of the material about which he undertakes to write.
  11. 0
    21 June 2019 10: 02
    Quote: Thrifty
    Well, Eugene, F14 served his - too expensive it is in operation and in repair

    no more expensive f-35s that are already going to the fleet
    1. +6
      21 June 2019 10: 18
      and what combat experience, how many MiG-28 they crushed in due time lol
      1. 0
        21 June 2019 10: 28
        did not understand what you mean request
        1. +4
          21 June 2019 10: 40
          about something about this
          1. +4
            21 June 2019 13: 44
            Quote: novel xnumx
            about something about this

            -----------------------
            Enjoy ... And Tomcat, And Top Gun, And Tom Cruise ... Danger Zone Song laughing soldier
        2. +2
          21 June 2019 13: 48
          Quote: yehat
          did not understand what you mean

          ------------------
          About the film Top Gun with Tom Cruise and Tomket in the title role. And the F-5 as the MiG-28. wink

          Friday evening promises to be languid. hi
    2. D16
      0
      21 June 2019 10: 57
      f-35, which are already going to the fleet

      https://topwar.ru/155955-vms-ssha-zakupajut-f-a-18-super-hornet-block-iii-vmesto-f-35c-lightning-ii.html
      It doesn't seem to go. The fleet is likely to refuse them
  12. +3
    21 June 2019 10: 59
    Quote: Radikal
    oh well - carrier aircraft

    you still call him carrier of planes laughing
    1. +2
      21 June 2019 17: 54
      It will even be more accurate .... lol
  13. -7
    21 June 2019 11: 17
    Oh, the alternate general admiral of large and small fleets of the Black, White, Red and Yellow Seas, A. Chelyabinsky himself drew - did you really get tired of reproducing the Tsushima battle at Kursk in + 100500 once? laughing
  14. -4
    21 June 2019 11: 29
    Quote: Alexey RA
    the area of ​​the aircraft AWACS is always selected away from the group (100-150 miles)

    This is outdated information: since the advent of the anti-ship missile ship with the EPR 0,01, the deck-based early warning aircraft for the entire flight must be over the aircraft carrier within the detection radius of the stealth anti-ship missile ~ 40 km.

    The second DRLO aircraft deck that can fly into the air can even fly 1000 km from the aircraft carrier, but this does not change the situation - besides the radio emission of the first DRLO aircraft, the aircraft carrier's location in the AUG warrant produces characteristic radiation from the aircraft carrier beacons visible by RTR satellites at a distance above 2000 km.
    1. +5
      21 June 2019 12: 26
      Quote: Operator
      This is outdated information: since the advent of the RCC with the EPR 0,01 square meter, the DRLO carrier-based aircraft must be above the aircraft carrier all the time of the flight

      As I correctly understand, the link that would confirm this nonsense is meaningless to ask. And it’s also just pointless to ask what kind of happiness suddenly supersonic, and, especially, hypersonic rockets flying at high altitude suddenly acquired ESR in 0,01 sq.m. in any (or at least one) projection. About satellites, which allegedly can pinch aircraft carrier beacons for 2000 km, and even correctly identify them, and promptly merge data on RCR carriers ... no, it’s useless to ask for links here. But nevertheless, once again I advise you to start with hard drugs: it is very harmful for the body
    2. +2
      21 June 2019 12: 50
      "When you say, Ivan Vasilievich, it feels like you are delusional ..." (c) film "Ivan Vasilievich is changing his profession.", Mosfilm, 1973.
  15. +5
    21 June 2019 12: 41
    The missile carrier division has sunk into oblivion, and the Tomkets have sunk into oblivion. Everything is extremely simple and logical, especially taking into account the age and cost of operation of this type.
    1. +6
      21 June 2019 12: 59
      Quote: FeoFUN
      The missile submarine division sunk into oblivion, Tomkata sunk into oblivion

      "Brevity is the sister of talent, and the mother-in-law of the fee" (c)
      I totally agree. Realizing that after the collapse of the USSR, the available Navy would be more than enough for them to solve any conceivable task, the Americans stopped the program of developing a promising interceptor - replacing "Tom's cat" :)
      1. +2
        21 June 2019 15: 09
        It's like that. Just some are still captivated by the afterglow left over from the halo of the USSR Navy, with its powerful missile-carrying forces.
    2. +2
      21 June 2019 17: 02
      Quote: FeoFUN
      The missile carrier division has sunk into oblivion, and the Tomkets have sunk into oblivion.

      In addition, the threat from SSGNs with heavy long-range anti-ship missiles practically disappeared - the "loaves" froze at the piers.
  16. -6
    21 June 2019 13: 26
    Quote: A.Chelyabinsky
    link

    Why do you need a link to the materials of the still Soviet Almaz Central Design Bureau - after all, you have reached everything yourself (including the "hypersonic" anti-ship missiles with an EPR of 0,01 square meters and a speed of 0,9 M) laughing

    Search range of locating radio beacons by means of RTR in Google - "the poor [knowledge] have no servants" (C).
    1. +3
      21 June 2019 15: 07
      As expected, you simply have nothing to confirm your nonsense. That's why you are trying to jump off now on antics and emoticons, like a youngster caught in fantasies.
    2. +2
      21 June 2019 15: 50
      One hundred thousand the first plum counted.
  17. -1
    21 June 2019 18: 05
    "... during the modernization" Super Tomcat "could get a 25-30% more powerful airborne radar station with AFAR, which has a noticeably larger diameter of the canvas ..."
    And how much would he burn the engine, generating wild energy?
    In general: "If only, if only ..."
    The plane is good, but moody and very expensive
    1. 0
      21 June 2019 18: 35
      Quote: pafegosoff
      And how much would he burn the engine, generating wild energy?

      Given the fact that the cat's thrust-to-weight ratio was already not so hot ...
    2. +2
      21 June 2019 21: 36
      And how much would he burn the engine, generating wild energy?


      Hmm. "Wild" .... Take an extra pair of horses from a herd of 5 thousand heads
      yes, nothing. Crans, we won’t be able to fly, plop down into the sea. And most importantly, for what? belay Well, the diameter of the nose is 1, 25 times larger. What nonsense. And the area is only one and a half times. It’s even antennas for reception. The KND of the transmitter is one and a half, the modules (and hence the power) are one and a half. The fourth root of three times one and a half - yes bullshit. Well, it will not be detected at 400 km, but at 500 km. What for us extra 100 km? We will save ... laughing
      Come on, everything is correct in the article. The F-14 with Phoenixes was a real headache in the 80s. The United States got rid of it for some reason, did not begin to modernize (greed, "cleverness", or something else) - there are fewer problems for the now Chinese, unfortunately (or fortunately)
      And perhaps the variable geometry for the patrolling deck interceptor is one of the few places where it is really needed.
  18. +2
    21 June 2019 18: 11
    All the same, he was a handsome "cat". There is no full replacement for it, as well as the F-111. But time passes, planes are physically aging.
    1. +2
      21 June 2019 18: 34
      Quote: Nycomed
      He was handsome after all.

      This is yes. He is also visually appealing to me.
    2. -1
      25 June 2019 21: 34
      Quote: Nycomed
      All the same, he was a handsome "cat". There is no full replacement for it, as well as the F-111. But time passes, planes are physically aging.


      F-XX, 45 tons
  19. +1
    22 June 2019 01: 16
    Quote: bayard
    even at the cost (at the beginning of the zero) of the purchase of Su-30 gliders from Russia,

    Already I began to forget in what surreal reality we lived.
    It is very good that the Americans were in such a hurry to get rid of the "old" that they did not see the potential for modernization.
  20. +1
    22 June 2019 01: 39
    Quote: Alexey RA
    And then what will be left of the Kuznetsov air group for the air patrol (not to mention the deck reserve)?

    It is clear that in the worst nightmares of the Navy, she could not imagine that the Hunchback with the Yeltsins and the Yakovlev would break up the Union, and all the calculations, the timing of adoption, etc. they’ll fly to the goddamn grandmother, the Yak 44 will never land on deck, and the pathological similarities of the F-35 with the Yak 141 will be remembered for a long time by conspiracy theorists.
    But maybe there is some kind of grand piano in the bushes?
    After all, the domestic military-industrial complex has created so many outstanding and unparalleled types of weapons, where are towed balloons with AFAR, helicopters with radars capable of frying the adversary with their radiation at a distance of 2000-2500t.km?
    In the meantime, it again blew with grave dampness, the old / new undertaker again gets the right to ruin what remains:
    "A groan swept through the aviation circles of Russia: Anatoly Serdyukov, a man with a very controversial reputation, including the glory of the" destroyer of the army ", has been appointed head of the United Aircraft Corporation"
    A very bad sign furniture bat, after the dirtiest scandal, rose from the decay:
    "It's just a coincidence: the news about Serdyukov's appointment to the post of chairman of the UAC board of directors in the information field was not too far from the news that Alexander Gomzin, head of the NPO Simonov Experimental Design Bureau, was arrested. The links between the two events, Perhaps not, except that the charges brought against Gomzin - the theft of 494,31 million rubles from the budget of the Russian Ministry of Defense through the conclusion of fictitious agreements on research and development work with legal entities under his control - are quite typical. development of unmanned aerial systems, then it falls within the framework of the aircraft industry.
    But the connection is on a different level. Anatoly Serdyukov was also accused of various financial violations during his time as defense minister, and one of the key members of his team, head of the property relations department of the Russian Defense Ministry, Yevgeny Vasilyeva, was even jailed. "

    https://tsargrad.tv/articles/anatolij-serdjukov-terminator-na-doverii_199304
  21. 0
    22 June 2019 01: 43
    Ha ha ha ... !!!
    We thought it over, but late ... ☝️
  22. -2
    22 June 2019 12: 26
    Once again, pay attention to the reasons for abandoning, in general, a successful aircraft: (Quote :) the cost and laboriousness of the service, as well as the significant preparation time for the flight and the time of replacing the engines of drill machines (End of quote.).
  23. 0
    23 June 2019 00: 04
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Quote: Radikal
    Will there be less aircraft carriers for mattresses?

    By the way, there are fewer of them. It was 12, now on paper 11, in fact 9 (Ford is not operational, Washington is undergoing major repairs).

    Hooray. sad
  24. 0
    23 June 2019 00: 07
    Quote: Operator
    Oh, the alternate general admiral of large and small fleets of the Black, White, Red and Yellow Seas, A. Chelyabinsky himself drew - did you really get tired of reproducing the Tsushima battle at Kursk in + 100500 once? laughing

    Well, you, judging by the pseudonym, the operations are successful ?! lol wassat tongue
  25. 0
    23 June 2019 00: 10
    Quote: FeoFUN
    It's like that. Just some are still captivated by the afterglow left over from the halo of the USSR Navy, with its powerful missile-carrying forces.

    And what else remains the last, unfinished soldiers of the USSR? winked wink
  26. -1
    25 June 2019 16: 22
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    No one will build a new five for the fleet for the money

    And work is already underway on the new six. They will take into account in her the whole experience of creating fives with all their jambs.
  27. 0
    25 June 2019 20: 36
    Throughout the first half of the article, the author remarkably explains the advantages of the F-18 over the "Tomkat", but at the end for some reason sharply draws a conclusion opposite to the one just stated.

    the maximum flight speed of the Tomkets, reaching 2200-2300


    This speed is only on paper. There is such a computer game "Harpoon", on which they even train naval officers, and so in this game, the maximum speed of "Tomket" on afterburner was at first 1400 miles per hour, apparently taken from reference books, i.e. 2590 km / h. Until the creators of the game were contacted by a man who introduced himself as a pilot flying these very F-14s, and he indignantly said that the game was nonsense, and in real life he never managed to accelerate more than 950 miles (sea) hour. Probably 1400 is an exaggerated figure from some of the very first test flights, with a super-ace pilot, a perfectly assembled engine, perfect weather. Since then, all new versions of the game for "Tomkats" have a max. speed 950 (1760 km / h).

    the use of AIM-54C Phoenix air combat missiles


    Rocket "Phoenix" is famous in particular for the fact that for all its amazing advantages, it had one small drawback: it never hit the real target.

    and AIM-120D


    AMRAAMs were not on "Tomkats".

    then the F-14D “Super Tomcat”, equipped with 2 PTBs, is capable of performing shock operations and solving air defense tasks within a radius of 1500 km.


    If we are talking about intercepting the Tu-22s, then the Kh-22s can be targeted from a conventional warhead at a distance of 140 km, and in real exercises they are launched from a hundred kilometers. Or, in the worst case, with a nuclear warhead when firing at areas - 300 km. There is no need to fly 1500 km away from the aircraft carrier. And the Tu-22 has its own radius of the order of the same 1500 km. So if "Tomcat" patrols for 1500 km in the direction of the expected strike, it will have to spin over Olenegorsk.