"Sleeping" C-300 and "Buk-M2E" - only the visible part of the problems of air defense of Syria. To be continued?

Carried out on the night of January 21, 2019 “long-playing” and tactically calibrated massive missileaviation The Israeli Air Force’s strike on the fortified areas and arsenals of the elite Quds Iranian special forces unit in Damascus province, as well as on the Panzir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems covering them, provided invaluable food for Russian and foreign military experts to reflect on the weaknesses of the Syrian anti-aircraft / anti-missile "umbrella", which take place even after the deliveries to the air defense forces of the SAR 2018 Pantsir-S40 air defense system and 1 S-3PMU-300 Favorit anti-aircraft missile divisions announced in the spring and autumn of 2.

There is absolutely no doubt that the E-1C “JSTARS” strategic radar reconnaissance aircraft made a significant contribution to the provision of tactical information to the IDF with the coordinates of the Artillery-С8, which (through the AFAR-RNL side-end radar) received radar images of target areas in the southern provinces of the SAR at the beginning of last week, during the transfer to one of the US air force bases in Western Asia. This fact alone is irrefutable evidence that the air defense systems of the SAR under Damascus are still not covered by modern ground-based electronic countermeasures of DPR-7 / 2 and Krasuha-4, operating in the centimeter X and Ku-wave bands, and noticeably reducing the effective range of the radar AN / APY-4. And therefore, the appearance of any (large and small-sized) facilities of the Syrian army in Damascus and its surroundings is instantly fixed by the operators of the RLC of the aircraft JSTARS.

As for the means of electronic warfare, about the effectiveness of which the Russian media have repeatedly stated in the SAR, they cover only military facilities of the Russian Navy and the Air Force of the Russian Federation in the vicinity of the military logistics post of the Russian Navy in Tartus and Avb Hamimim, and partly in the city of Masyyafa, where all three anti-missile divisions C-300PMU-2 "Favorite".

As a result, all the strategically important facilities of the Syrian government forces in the south of the republic are extremely vulnerable to both enemy radar reconnaissance equipment and to his motley nomenclature of air attack weapons, which was perfectly demonstrated during the last Israeli Air Force MRAU. Naturally, there can be no question whatsoever about the combat work regimes of the destroyed Syrian “Carapace”, as well as the actions of its calculation (such can be found in the comments on almost all reports about the last attack of the IDF and Hel Haavir on ATS) Considering the fact that only single batteries of these unique anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems were involved in repelling the impact (without support from the Buk-М6E XNUM-channel SAMs and advance targeting from modern XNUM radar detectors XL2 or “Gamma-C96”, which are not on the most missile-dangerous areas in Syria), interception of more than 6 elements of high-precision weapons the enemy can already be considered a kind of achievement. Why?

Yes, because the process of detecting, "tying up trails", as well as "capturing" dozens of inconspicuous Israeli drones-kamikaze "SkyStriker", guided bombs and long-range tactical missiles "Delila" was assigned exclusively to the shoulders of its own radar and optoelectronic means "Shells" - radar detectors 1RS1-1E, guidance radars 1RS2-1E "Helm" (capable of detecting " SkyStrikers "with an RCS of 0,005 - 0,01 sq. m at a distance of 5-7 km and capturing far from with a 100% probability), as well as 10ES1-E optoelectronic sights that have problems with detecting and capturing "cold targets" in the infrared range, especially at night, when it is not possible to correct the pointing process using the TV channel. The SkyStriker drone, represented by a glider made of composite materials and an electric motor with a pusher propeller, is just that inconspicuous element of the WTO with ultra-low radar and infrared signatures, which is much more difficult to detect than a 122-mm steel rocket projectile of the 9M22U MLRS "Grad" type, The experience of combating which the Pantsir-S1 has had for a long time.

Far more questions in all this stories it is caused by the fact that throughout the entire flight route (from the ejection trigger to the Pantsirey-С1 positions) SkyStrikers not only received control commands from Israeli operators from ground control stations near the Golan Heights, but also transmitted a fairly high-quality video image targets on the telemetric communication channel in the decimeter range.

Such an alignment speaks only about one thing: the Syrian armed forces are still deprived of modern tools of electronic intelligence and suppression of radio communication channels, as well as UAV controls, to which the Resident, Diabazol, etc. complexes can be partially attributed. It is not surprising that under similar conditions, when modern air defense and EW components more or less protect only the north-western part of Syria, the IDF will continue to implement its aggressive actions against the low-level missile defense system of the southern provinces of Syria.

Information sources:
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=8522.0
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c300pmu2/c300pmu2.shtml
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/01/22/skystriker/
https://www.interfax.ru/world/646998

Comments

[Ross xnumx]

The "sleeping" S-300s and Buk-M2Es are just the visible part of Syria’s air defense problems.

And there are no problems. To be successful in military operations, you must have an appropriate balance of forces and trained (armed) personnel. Among other things, the army should be commanded by generals, and not "sovereigns", as it was in the time of Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov, when the glory of the Russian army (for example) thundered throughout Europe.

[antivirus]

Iran did not bargain on oil or the transport corridor from the Russian Federation and we did not get paid - we stand aside. look
to build electronic warfare - it is 30 years before Krasukha to teach the peasant children physics. and even 20 years before the "peasant children", teachers need to learn them. and 20 years before "learn the teachers" - it is NECESSARY to PREPARE STAFF FOR "LEARN TEACHERS". Then the RZB, their operators, and instructors for training the Syrian air defense appear. life of the country - the entire twentieth century

[Warrior2015]

Quote: antivirus

Iran did not bargain on oil or the transport corridor from the Russian Federation and we did not get paid - we stand aside. look

Iran has its own very special interests in Syria, which are far from coinciding with the Russian ones. Yes, there is a place to be their religious fanaticism, because it is impossible to explain anything else other than the launch of an operational-tactical missile in Israel.

[parma]

Not applicable for two main reasons:
1) Politics - to cover the "backside" Iranians quarreling with Israel why our country?
2) Image - and what if the S-300 fails to bring down Israel’s F-16/15, for whatever reason, or worse ... In addition to the missile, the complex will itself be destroyed ... And the phrases about the lack of an analogue of the world and favorites before the patriots will lose weight .... In addition, the S-400 is a modified S-300 ... ....

[businessv]

Quote: parma

Image - what if the S-300 fails to bring down Israel’s F-16/15, no matter for what reason, or worse ... Besides the missile, the complex will also be destroyed ...

Lost to say, colleague, that C-300 may not even see the planes !!! Save yourself who can! I have already spoken to the guardians of the image and the all-protesters that the complete picture of the battle, which has only now begun to be recreated, is unclear to us:

intercepting more than 30 elements of high-precision weapons of the enemy can already be considered a kind of achievement.

These are not trifles, dear and cannot threaten the image in any way! Another thing is that there is no single air defense network, which is promised to be done only in March! So thanks to Alexander for the article, it’s timely and concrete! By the way, in the IDF video, rockets just flew around SkyStrikers because there were great signatures nearby, which they worked on! The good neighbors of Syria have found their weak spot, which the Syrians urgently need to plug!

[Shahno]

What are these signatures. Really aliens ...

[businessv]

Quote: Shahno

What are these signatures. Really aliens ...

Like a pilot ... And what is the term thermal radiation of an airplane engine, its reflecting surface, and generally all the properties of a flying, floating, standing object, due to which it becomes visible on the screen of a radar, sonar, thermal imager, and other detection systems? If there is nothing to say, do not appeal to aliens and troll colleagues!

[Warrior2015]

Quote: businessv

Lost to say, colleague, that C-300 may not even see the planes !!! Save yourself who can! I have already spoken to the guardians of the image and the all-protesters that the complete picture of the battle, which has only now begun to be recreated, is unclear to us:

The overall picture of the battle is already clear. And the main important point is that the s-300 complexes supplied to the Syrians were not included in combat work, for reasons, most likely, mutual agreements between Moscow, Damascus and Jerusalem. And so the sales of our equipment are not growing very much (India recently abandoned air defense systems), do we need it so that inept Arab operators "lowered" the rating of our one of the best complexes and leave our factories without work, and our corporations without export contracts?

[businessv]

Quote: Warrior2015

The overall picture of the battle is clear already. And the main important point - the S-300 systems delivered to the Syrians were not included in the combat work.

For me, only one thing is clear - the attack was thought out to the smallest detail, was conducted from different directions and with a large variety of ammunition. That's just the picture of the battle is still not clear to me! If it is clear to you, I will be grateful for the fact that enlighten! How much and how much ammunition was released, how much ammunition was spent by air defense systems, how many complexes took part in the reflection of the raid. In total, about 30 shells were shot down, you can not write this.

[Vanych]

Indians have nothing to look back at - they are like a woman of easy virtue, something must not be needed ... they recently announced that they want to buy our Su-35 again, and after a month or two they say again that we don’t need them ...

[Rabioso]

They will not be able to close the holes. Some will close ... others will appear. Firstly, because Israel is technologically ahead of many developed countries, and especially Syria. Secondly, Israel will not tolerate Iran on its border, which means that if it is necessary to destroy the entire air defense of Syria, this will be done and it is quite possible. With kraukha shells and c300 combined.

[businessv]

Quote: Rabioso

if it is necessary to destroy the entire air defense of Syria, this will be done and it is quite possible. With kraukha shells and c300 combined.

The price of the issue is important, you must understand that with the participation of the S-300 systems, more than one plane will lie down! Yes, and if the defense is echeloned, then you have to start a war, I doubt that you need it, like the whole world. Touch Iran and Iranians less, it will be calmer!

[uhu189]

You may not be familiar, but Iran has long been on the borders of Israel, this is a fact, and targeted strikes cannot change this in any way. And there is also Hezbollah on the borders with Israel, which for some "strange" reasons is not bombed by the most advanced air forces in Lebanon.
Of course, if the Israeli Armed Forces so desires, they will be able to destroy Syrian air defense, only the price of these actions will be unacceptable for Israel, and this is not only about the downed planes. And this price exceeds all the benefits that can be acquired by such blows.

[jhltyjyjctw]

Quote: parma

Image - what if the S-300 fails to bring down the F-16/15 of Israel, no matter for what reason, or worse ..

That's why the S-300/400 line is worth it. The military leadership of these countries, unlike you, is incompetent and misled by vile Russians ...

[Confuciy]

Excuse me, but do not tell me in what armed conflict did they manifest themselves? It's not about the training grounds where they shoot different targets, but about conflicts when an experienced and trained adversary is against them, with modern technologies and weapons, which not only flies, but also actively opposes using electronic warfare and missile and bomb weapons? And then we all have no analogues in the world

[jhltyjyjctw]

In the same in which the RS-20 (SS-18) were used and are still being used. And what, does this weapon of ours have analogues? ... Especially the Patriot, who shoots his own leg.

[Confuciy]

And more specifically. Name the conflict in which the S-300/400 showed themselves, and indicate how many and what they shot down, how many missiles they spent

[Confuciy]

Here, say the matter. For some reason, this unparalleled reality turns out to be about nothing.

[jhltyjyjctw]

Woof woof woof...

[riwas]

He slept not only S-300, but also fighters.
And the Pantsir-C1 complex needs to be improved:
1. Replace the guns (which are not really used) with an additional supply of missiles.
2. Self-defense requires interference, such as "Blind".

[neri73-r]

Quote: riwas

2. Self-defense requires interference, such as "Blind".

How can "Shtora" help against the optical (video) channel? Smoke grenades to shoot?

[sanernaid]

A strong zesvet, which can blind and there are also fumes through which the thermal imager does not break through.

[prodi]

the guns weren’t even turned towards the target, he didn’t see it stupidly, unless, of course, it was working

[Kaw]

This Jews pasted some left video at the end. The shell rockets flew towards the attacking ammunition, which means the tower was deployed towards the target, the guidance radar in front of the tower is located.

[prodi]

it is unlikely that if the rockets fired at this very target, then the guns should have expected it at the end. And where did the Jews get the left video?

[Fedor egoist]

Quote: prodi

And where did the Jews get the left video?

It is not left, just cropped. Jews ...

[prodi]

so what cut something? Judging by the approach speed, there’s simply nothing, otherwise the target should have been shot down 10 times

[businessv]

Quote: prodi

the guns weren’t even turned towards the target, he didn’t see it stupidly, unless, of course, it was working

Colleagues, so much has been said on the attacks that it’s even awkward to repeat! Installations were destroyed by slow-moving Sky Striker, which are almost invisible on radar. Read about them, you will understand more. http://zonwar.ru/news5/news_911_SkyStriker.html

[jhltyjyjctw]

Quote: riwas

And the Pantsir-C1 complex needs to be improved:
1. Replace the guns (which are not really used) with an additional supply of missiles.
2. Self-defense requires interference, such as "Blind".

And a balloon with an observer ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Unfortunately, this is so! I don’t know what is the reason for this: are we going to leave, are we really lacking such equipment, are we just letting Israel do this by special agreement, so as not to let Iran gain a foothold? But To do this, it was necessary simply to limit their presence in Syria through Assad, but the fact remains, we can not resist the Jews so far. It is we, because Syria counted on us, in its defense.

[jhltyjyjctw]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Unfortunately, this is so! I don’t know what is the reason for this: are we going to leave, are we really lacking such equipment, are we just letting Israel do this by special agreement, so as not to let Iran gain a foothold? But To do this, it was necessary simply to limit their presence in Syria through Assad, but the fact remains, we can not resist the Jews so far. It is we, because Syria counted on us, in its defense.

It's all gone, Karl!

[ANCIENT]

Eugene, with the absence of an electronic warfare system for the Syrians, I agree with you. It would also not hurt to pull up Tor2M there, check it in a real battle.

[vvvjak]

Quote: ANCIENT

Eugene, with the absence of an electronic warfare system for the Syrians, I agree with you.

What kind of electronic warfare if Israel attacks when civil aviation is active at Damascus airport. That is the question that neither EW funds can be used (civilian sides will fall), nor air defense can really work (they already played out with Il). This is successful and the Israelis are using it.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: vvvjak

no air defense can work properly (they finished playing with Il already).

Judging by the video from past raids, the Syrian air defenses are sniffing "mom, don't cry!", And even half an hour or an hour after the Israelis leave. So they work, the question is in the degree of efficiency ...

Quote: vvvjak

What EW, if Israel attacks when civilian aviation activity is at Damascus airport. That is the question that neither the EW funds will apply (civilian aircrafts will fall),

Are there any civilian aircraft during the raids there? The activity of the Damascus airport (excluding the airplanes of the ever-memorable Iranian Mahan Eyr, deprived of his right to fly to the European Union on suspicion of transporting military cargo on civilian vessels to the conflict zones) is very small, except for Sirian Air there are few who fly there. It simply cannot be compared at all even with the same BenGurion airport, for example, not to mention such mega-hubs like Dubai airport.

Also, a normal tower of air traffic controllers in case of any problem in the air should ban all flights of civilian airplanes (I remind you that the war between 40 and XNUMX has officially been going on in any way since Syria and Israel). And according to the available information, this is exactly what happened in the last raids.

So the whole problem is in the Syrians, whose leadership strongly welcomes Iran on its territory, and the already rather low quality of the Syrian army has fallen due to the civil war and the current air defense operators can do little against the Israeli air force’s dagger-fast attacks. ..

[vvvjak]

Quote: Warrior2015

Are there civilian sideboards during raids there?

Judging by the "flight radar" there are now 2 boards over Domask, 4 boards over Beirut (80 km. From Domask) and a "cloud" of boards over Jerusalem (200 km.). The Buk missile can already reach Beirut and the S-300 Irusalim. And that they will all sit down at once in the event of an attack by the Israeli Air Force (which is very fond of attacking from the Lebanese side)? Therefore, the Syrians have to fight back only short-range air defense. Naturally, they incur losses. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, 90% of the released ammunition is destroyed. Even if in reality 50% is already an excellent result in the given air defense operating conditions. Figuratively, it looks like this: you are sitting in a rifle cell and an enemy is advancing behind which there is a crowd of civilians. You cannot kill civilians - you will be hanged. So it remains only to try to bring down what can destroy you. At the same time, you manage to stay alive (minor injuries do not count), and even destroy 90% of the flying ammunition. In these conditions, it is not entirely correct to consider you a bad fighter.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: vvvjak

Judging by the "flight radar" there are now 2 boards over Domask, 4 boards over Beirut (80 km. From Domask) and a "cloud" of boards over Jerusalem (200 km.).

You can’t count airplanes over Israel’s territory, nobody will allow Syrian missiles to go there, and the Syrians themselves will not shoot there, and this is a normal activity for Beirut and Damascus airports, there are really very few flights.

Quote: vvvjak

The Buk missile can already reach Beirut and the S-300 Irusalim.

The pro-government Syrians are not such frostbitten suicides to shoot down civilian aircraft over Ben Gurion, as the Iranians, who launched a surface-to-surface missile directly into Israel. So don't be so ..

Quote: vvvjak

At the same time, you manage to stay alive (minor injuries do not count), and you also destroy 90% of flying ammunition. Under these conditions, it is not quite correct to consider you a bad fighter.

They were convinced, well, they are not bad fighters, no, just not good enough, will it work like that? (for the consistently zero account of the losses of the Israeli Air Force with the ever-increasing air defense losses of Syria proves this convincingly)

[vvvjak]

Quote: Warrior2015

Boards over Israeli territory can not be considered, no one will allow Syrian missiles there, and the Syrians themselves will not shoot there,

You can’t shoot towards Israel, you can’t shoot towards Lebanon, and you can’t shoot towards Jordan. You can shoot in the direction of Iraq, but there are no Israeli aircraft there. So where does the Air Force loss come from? Losses will occur only if the pilots allow unforgivable stupidity, or completely change the rules of the game (well, such as an unmanned zone 300 km from Domask).

[businessv]

Quote: vvvjak

You can’t shoot towards Israel, you can’t shoot towards Lebanon, and you can’t shoot towards Jordan.

Colleague, Warrior is not alone. You tried to explain something, there is no result!

[Warrior2015]

Quote: businessv

Colleague, Warrior is not alone. You tried to explain something, there is no result!

Go to Syria, organize the right echelon of air defense there, Assad will be only too happy! Why is there something to explain? (it’s not necessary to force ordinary Russian guys to harness the Syrians, let's go)

[businessv]

Quote: Warrior2015

(only ordinary Russian guys should not be harnessed for the Syrians, let’s do it yourself)

And I do not force anyone, dear, and I do not want to do this! Why such a remark? To be in the trend? I gave mine in Afghanistan as long as I could, so I’m not going to force or drive anywhere, but it wouldn’t hurt you sometimes to think about what and to whom you are writing!

[Duty]

Do not mind the technique / calculation? They will be destroyed. And for whose sake? For the sake of Iranian fanatics? At least think what you write.

[Ilya_Nsk]

Reported with the same video that the TOP was destroyed

[Thomas Moore]

THIS IS NOT TORUS - THIS IS "WASP"

[jhltyjyjctw]

Quote: ANCIENT

Eugene, with the absence of an electronic warfare system for the Syrians, I agree with you. It would also not hurt to pull up Tor2M there, check it in a real battle.

Soon, the T-34 will be transferred from the suburbs. 30 pieces...

[BAI]

The carapace only hits the missiles that fly into it, but does not reach the planes. While the S-300 will be inactive, the shells will be destroyed. And the use of the S-300 under a big question is an escalation of the conflict, which Assad and Russia do not need.

[Aviator_]

And the use of C-300 under a big question is an escalation of the conflict, which Assad and Russia do not need.

In this case, it would be cheaper to supply Syrian rubber C-300 to Syria, since everything is possible for the Jews, but there is no political will to use air defense.

[Black sniper]

Israel conducts massive airstrikes at Damascus International Airport, then bish in the Syrian capital, and the S-300 are silent ... Then why are they there ??? Over in Belgrade, the old S-75/125 stealth shot down ... Maybe you really needed to put the rubber S-300.

[Back]

Quote: Black Sniper

Over in Belgrade, the old S-75/125 stealth shot down.

What are you saying? Stealth? And a lot of them were shot down there? And how many raids - how many were shot down?

[businessv]

Quote: Back

And how many raids - how many were shot down?

One was shot down, but from Soviet technology - a modern mattress plane, that's what we are talking about!

[Back]

Quote: businessv

Shot down one

But seduce and did not stumble, and thousands and thousands of raids - one shot down, what an achievement. Hooray.

Quote: businessv

modern mattress plane

From shovels? But once every ten years, a spade shoots. Shovel.

[businessv]

Quote: Back

and thousands and thousands of raids - one shot down, what an achievement. Hooray.

You are delusional, dear! What are you talking about, what kind of war? Can you confuse it with the Second World War? What are the "thousands and thousands" of raids and in what state was the country's air defense system by that time? Do not answer, it is useless to argue with you.

[Back]

Quote: businessv

You rave, dear!

You just rave:

NATO aviation has completed over 30000 sorties

- "http://www.airwar.ru"

What "thousands and thousands" of raids

And such, acclaimed. Read above.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Aviator_

In this case, it would be cheaper to supply Syrian rubber C-300 to Syria, since everything is possible for the Jews, but there is no political will to use air defense.

well then rubber Rais (president) should be thrown to Syria

[Ilya_Nsk]

Those. Do you suggest shooting down their planes over their own territory? Over Lebanon, no matter where else it went, but over the promised land - this is the next Arab-Israeli war, only we are not far away and it is highly not recommended to get involved in it.

[meandr51]

Well, yes, when Israel hits an alien country, it’s just joking. And when it is a terrible war!
The diagnosis is Zionism of the brain.

[Strashila]

Speaking Israel, we mean the USA. Speaking Syria, we mean Iran. Syria has become a training ground for the United States in the execution of Israel to practice in combat to overcome the Soviet / Russian air defense systems. As a result, it is necessary to draw conclusions. As far as the cannon armament of the Shell systems is in demand, it is possible to make it purely rocket with additional guides to destroy small-sized targets. Supplement the air defense system with systems like Pine, to cover the same Shells, given their passive airspace control system, even just a control system, given that it is at Matalygi’s base which can be transferred in parts to Syria and assembled quietly there. It is possible to complement Tunguska, given its mobility, the same would be a great addition. As has been noted, it is possible to create mobile Blind systems to suppress optical guidance systems. So there is work to do.

[Black sniper]

If the S-300s cease to be silent, then everything that you have listed above, in principle, is not necessary, although on the other hand there is no "much" air defense.

[Krasnodar]

To begin with, the S-300 should see the attack, and then do something with it. Does it see? I doubt it.

[jhltyjyjctw]

Quote: Krasnodar

To begin with, the S-300 should see the attack, and then do something with it. Does it see? I doubt it.

He sees who needs it. What are they waiting for? I do not have information to the extent necessary for a decision. I believe that everyone present on the resource ...

[shahor]

Quote: jhltyjyjctw

I do not have information to the extent necessary for a decision.

Apparently, the problems are not in the S-300, but who will operate it. If you remember, Schoigu (and his words were quoted on this site) promised that the systems would be ready for war in December, then in February, then in March. The essence of the problem is the low quality of training of Syrians sent to the Russian Federation for training. The Russian media wrote that the Russian Defense Ministry sent two letters to the General Staff of Syria and Assad personally with information about the impossibility of continuing the training of the sent personnel. And where will Assad take other Syrians for the Russian Defense Ministry? Here the deputy distinguished himself (no, not the State Duma) - the Iranian parliament. Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee. He abruptly rebuked the Russian military that the S-300s were turned off during Israeli raids. He recommends turning on the radars of the complex in order to exert psychological pressure on the pilots of the enemy. Muder! But what if Iran sends its personnel from their S-300 systems? And let their complexes stand with the included radars, without personnel.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Strashila

It is possible to add Tunguska, given its mobility, the same would be a great addition.

They are there, only used ... in ground operations against militants.

[Rabioso]

The only right decision is to transfer all of Russian air defense to Syria. Then surely success will be.

[Back]

Quote: Strashila

Syria has become a testing ground for

And do not remind who called Syria a landfill?

[UAZ 452]

I took one thing from the article: again, the damned Jews fired at our "Shell" (which has no analogues in the world, surpasses the best world models, etc., etc.) with the wrong missiles, and in the wrong regime, against which it was " imprisoned. " Well, how can you!

[Snail N9]

Yes. The Jews are fighting incorrectly; an unparalleled weapon is sharpened only under the right war and therefore can not cope .... ... It is necessary, in addition to the shells, with-300-400 also bring Poseidons with zircons and avant-gardes, yes, more .... suddenly it will help ..... and be sure to sprinkle all this with holy water, otherwise without "scraping" anywhere ....

[meandr51]

Arabs can also fight incorrectly: for example, they can launch hundreds of simple rockets across Israel. Jewish air defense does not hold it.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Snail N9

. yes, and be sure to sprinkle all this with holy water, otherwise without "scrap" nowhere ..

In vain frigging. Holy water has never interfered with the Christian warriors (the only trouble is that the Syrian operators are Muslims, and even mostly from the heretical from the point of view of orthodox Islam, the Alawite current).

And so - just for information, folk wisdom - "there are no atheists in the trenches," and the same Israeli pilots in the majority read special prayers and special psalms before combat missions.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Warrior2015

And so - just for information, folk wisdom - "there are no atheists in the trenches," and the same Israeli pilots in the majority read special prayers and special psalms before combat missions.

support
notes the same way - Hope for Gd and don't spoil yourself

[Back]

Quote: Warrior2015

Israeli pilots mostly recite special prayers and special psalms before sorties.

And where is the intelligence, psalms and militias to drag and read too? It works.

[Vadim237]

Well, we are waiting for the Israeli rocket bombing at position C 300 - it will be interesting to listen to what noodles Konashenkov and the Moscow Region will come up with if they destroy part or all of the division.

[meandr51]

The more noodles, the better. That's what they work for. "If you are strong, pretend to be weak. If you are weak, pretend to be strong" (Sun Tzu).

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: meandr51

The more noodles, the better. For this they work.

it seems that the more noodles on the ears, the less shells in the field

[Ilya_Nsk]

"They have grenades of the wrong system" (c)

[businessv]

Quote: UAZ 452

From the article I learned one thing:

Why were they taken out and where were they doing, colleague ?!

[Confuciy]

Bravo, gorgeous))) is one of the few adequate comments))) you imagine, but they then think that Israel should act so that its actions can be reflected))) well, because they judge by themselves. It’s only we who are used to screaming for a breach without reckoning with losses. But to prepare a soldier, to work out an operation, tactics - we didn’t even hear people hear, with rare exceptions. And they expect the same from our opponents / partners / neighbors (underline what is necessary)

[steelmaker]

How tired of these excuses I am! Everyone wants to occupy high positions, get a big salary, and have power. But when the time came to answer "I am not guilty, he came himself!" And what have our military men been doing there for several years? And the children, the grandchildren of our generals and rulers, serve in Syria? Examples in the studio! There is nothing to dishonor and dishonor our weapons! Either it is necessary to fight or there is nothing to do in Syria! For the death of our military when the Jews will be avenged? Or forgiven?

[Snail N9]

MoD recently reported that as many as 460 have visited Syria! Russian generals. This is a whole battalion! And what did they do in such numbers? For rent, we went only for a well-known personal record and a distinction in a jacket ....

[Vadim237]

We also traveled around the Syrian "glades" - it is necessary to report back. Most of the generals have always been and will be the most ineffective link in armed conflicts.

[Kaw]

Naturally, there can be no talk of any claims to the combat regimes of the destroyed Syrian “Shell”, as well as to the actions of its calculation (similar can be found in the comments on almost all reports on the IDF and Hel Haavir’s last strike on the ATS)

Well, no. The Shell missiles missed it clearly it was visible on the record, here it was not a mistake. They didn’t take it in quantity, namely, that the Shell simply cannot bring down these missiles.

[businessv]

Quote: Kaw

Well, no. The Shell missiles missed it clearly it was visible on the record, here it was not a mistake. They didn’t take it in quantity, namely, that the Shell simply cannot bring down these missiles.

Damn, here you are writing, and someone is the same as you plus! Already on more than one resource it was announced that Sky Striker drones were used! Read what it is here: http://zonwar.ru/news5/news_911_SkyStriker.html it is true, it is not indicated there that these drones have a very small EPR, therefore, due to the presence of a mass of other shells, the drones could go unnoticed! The attack was carefully thought out, so there were such losses that did not at all speak about the complex’s inefficiency, they said that the defense should be echeloned and that the Armor needed cover in precisely such a case!

[Stils]

It is sad to look at all this and read about sleeping S-300, sad and disgusting ... Where are our eggs? It is clear that now is not the time of the USSR, but still ... Can't we properly arm and train the Syrians? Why are we there? Getting a kick in the ass Now there is not even that small particle of what Andropov could afford in '83. Let me remind you that then the Syrians launched a missile and bomb attack on the NATO ship group! and landed the Israeli Hawkeye air command post, not to mention the fact that Israel was kicked in the ass in a ground operation!

[nikolai.kolya]

Well, actually .... about kicks in the ass between Israel and Syria should be judged by success (who eventually grew the territory?)
and according to our participation (why are we there?), it is already obvious that we will disentangle the porridge which the United States (which merge) and Europe (which does not particularly fit) brewed. ig smoothly migrate to Africa and south-east Asia (while not having a weak contingent in our country).
the only thing you can learn is to resolve conflict situations in a difficult international situation (in the Middle East), experience is not bad but not a priority (in our socio-economic conditions)

[Ilya_Nsk]

to train these camel lovers?

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Stils

Where are our eggs? It is clear that now is not the times of the USSR, but still ..

What are you talking about ? The times of Soviet talentless altruism as a whole are long in the past, Russia has its own geopolitical interests and they should, get tightly into the Jewish-Syrian-Iranian showdown, why should we? (and already lost the whole board "from the fire of the allies")

Moreover, Tehran has recently become something inadequate and does not respond to Moscow's calm requests not to anger Israel and not to ask for trouble (although Israel is also showing more and more aggressiveness), and the Damascus authorities (apparently realizing that the regime has resisted and the country can be restored and almost completely reunited) actively continue to help the Iranians, logically falling under the "distribution".

[Rabioso]

About the kick in the ass is interesting ... This is when the Israelis almost reached Damascus? And in Syria, not only Americans and Israelis try weapons but also Russians. And the destruction of the carapace, etc. for Russia is also useful in some way ... it shows the technology has lagged behind and the direction in which its defense industry needs to work

[Stils]

Quote: Rabioso

About the kick in the ass is interesting ... This is when the Israelis almost reached Damascus?

We almost got there, but look at what cost. The losses were lower, but comparable to those in Syria. In June 82 alone, at the beginning of the Jewish "blitzkrieg", 50 aircraft were shot down and destroyed by Syrian air defense forces. At 83 they left Syria and Lebanon altogether, and by 84 all the air defense forces of Syria were restored.

[shahor]

Quote: Rabioso

About the kick in the ass is interesting ... This is when the Israelis almost reached Damascus?

Well, the last time was in 1973. We stood 25 kilometers away. The path is absolutely free. Damascus, neither then, nor today for hell, Israel does not need. The then President of the United States was smart enough to call Tel Aviv and say that Damascus should not be taken. Clever Jews, furtively sighing with relief, said, "Well, out of respect for you ... By the way, could you send us ...." And papa Assad, returning from Moscow and wiping off the bloody snot, immediately forgot what he had promised USSR home base Tartus - let's see what our son will say when everything calms down.

[Stils]

This is not entirely true ... For some reason, everyone forgets about the Syrian-Soviet triumph of the 82-84 war. By this time, the Syrian army was much stronger than in the year 73, and then the Jews (!) Miscalculated. And then there were the largest tank and air battles, artillery battles of the second half of the twentieth century. The goals of the Jews were not just not achieved, but the myths about their invincibility were dispelled, and this was a great merit of the Soviet people!

Quote: shahor

Quote: Rabioso

About the kick in the ass is interesting ... This is when the Israelis almost reached Damascus?

Well, the last time was in 1973. We stood 25 kilometers away. The path is absolutely free. Damascus, neither then, nor today for hell, Israel does not need. The then President of the United States was smart enough to call Tel Aviv and say that Damascus should not be taken. Clever Jews, furtively sighing with relief, said, "Well, out of respect for you ... By the way, could you send us ...." And papa Assad, returning from Moscow and wiping off the bloody snot, immediately forgot what he had promised USSR home base Tartus - let's see what our son will say when everything calms down.

[shahor]

Quote: Stils

This is not entirely true ... Why is everyone forgetting about the Syrian-Soviet triumph of the war 82-84

Remember. This war is famous for 2 episodes. The first - the largest and densest air defense group in the Bekaa Valley, built by the USSR on the basis of the most advanced complexes - was completely demolished in 2 hours. This is a world record. Can Israel beat him? The second is air war. In two days, most of the Syrian air force was destroyed. Score 85: 0. Well, this record is impossible to beat. The Syrians managed to get into the F-15, but under its own power he reached the base. These facts should not be hushed up, but to study the causes and draw conclusions in relation to today.

[ruigat]

The second is air war. In two days, most of the Syrian air force was destroyed. Score 85: 0. Well, this record is impossible to beat. The Syrians managed to get into the F-15, but under its own power he reached the base.

Write 100000: 0, the keyboard will tolerate. The Syrians hit the F-15? You are lying. Zionist (fascist) aircraft, tanks, missiles, bicycles, slippers, etc. explosions of megaton NLS are not terrible.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Stils

Can't we properly arm and train the Syrians? Why are we there? Getting a kick in the ass Now there is not even that small particle of what Andropov could afford in '83. Let me remind you that then the Syrians launched a missile and bomb attack on the NATO ship group! and landed the Israeli Hawkeye air command post, not to mention the fact that Israel was kicked in the ass in a ground operation!

Firstly, is such a task to be set - to fully equip and train the Syrians? Did we really not do enough to save Assad from the collapse of the country and its government from overthrow? still for the Syrians and the Iranian Wishlist poveovat against Israel offer?

Then the Syrians landed "Hawkeye" - and last fall they "landed" our Il-20, the same observation point, has it become better?

[Stils]

Quote: Warrior2015

Firstly, is such a task to be set - to fully equip and train the Syrians? Did we really not do enough to save Assad from the collapse of the country and its government from overthrow? still for the Syrians and the Iranian Wishlist poveovat against Israel offer?

Firstly, such a task is set, but very modestly, as a subject of bargaining, the delivery of the S-300 is proof of this, why is it silent? What, before we did not think that the Jews (and it was their fault) could bring down our IL? Miscalculation ... Again, frames decide everything. Can't train? Yes, it is, 3 months is nothing. We had to think earlier, but after 3-6 years we realized. We react according to the situation, but should think a few steps forward. Here you go.

Quote: Warrior2015

Then the Syrians landed "Hawkeye" - and last fall they "landed" our Il-20, the same observation point, has it become better?

I didn’t understand this at all ... I wanted to say something, Friend?
PS Il and Hokai is not an observation point, but an AWACS aircraft, which directs targets and directs the actions of fighters and bombers, is not a pilot, but I understand the value of this object, especially at the time of operations, and in wartime.

[ruigat]

Then the Syrians landed "Hawkeye" - and last fall they "landed" our Il-20, the same observation point, has it become better?

When the Zionist (fascist) "Hawkeye" was landed, of course it became better - your Khupza was blown away instantly. And for the IL-20 and its crew, you will still pay in blood.

[bronek]

A couple more of these videos with burning "Armor" and this "unique" missile and gun complex will no longer be bought from us. Including his own army.

[RadYan]

Why so?
In Africa, they’ll buy, for example.
There Israel does not fly and does not bomb.

[meandr51]

No problem. We need him. You never know what Jews mount in the commercials ... Outside of layered air defense, any complex is vulnerable, not just the Shell. On the contrary, if the Jews had not bombed, they should have been provoked. Well, who else is testing the technology so cool? And revealed their capabilities, and showed our shortcomings. Specialists will figure it out ...

[bronek]

Yes, and one more note; I hope it is already clear to everyone that the Syrian air defense did not shoot down or shoot down any planes, drones, missiles and bombs. It is disgusting that the press center headed by Konashenkov works according to the principle: "The audience is a fool! Eat, then we will give."

[mvd ru]

calm down alarmist ... they knock everything down as it should:

[Korax71]

Oh no no no. Uncle, and you were taught that lying is not very good, and thoughtlessly forgiving all nonsense is even worse. In your pictures it looks more like a missile from a complex with 125. The ax has a different look from the word

[Ilya_Nsk]

and the wings are folding in the bottom photo?

[mvd ru]

lay out the F-16 wreckage or google it yourself? don't be lazy and change your nickname to panic or it's all gone

[Squint]

You still add. that in Syria there is no war ...

[meandr51]

Your comments have a special, lasting value. For the Zionists.

[Rabioso]

Knocks down. Just not in the quantities that the Syrians are talking about.

[nikolai.kolya]

I'm not an air defense specialist ...
but explain, if you buy a shell, then + buy it:
- Pine
-tor
- beech
- beauty
- curtain
- what else?
It seems to me that after such anti-advertising - nobody will buy our air defense at all, and this case has not yet reached s300-400, but if Israel bombed them too ???

[meandr51]

Therefore, you are not a buyer of air defense systems. Those who buy compare the indicators according to the criterion of cost / effectiveness. Nothing is better than our complexes. Others in this situation will be even worse.
And so - yes, you are right. The system must be built echeloned and integrated with electronic warfare. Or it does not make much sense in repelling the massive raid of modern aviation with the WTO. Another thing is Africa, South America, Asia. There, for internecine warfare, any complex will fit. They will buy separately. Do you want the Shell to bring down everything, in any quantity and at any distance?
Dreaming is not bad ...

[Warrior2015]

Quote: meandr51

Anyway, there is nothing better than our complexes. Others in this situation will be even worse.

The Chinese and South Koreans are already dumping heavily.

[Rabioso]

Not bombed and destroyed by missiles.

[Vadim237]

For the developers of the Shell, this is a good reason to think about equipping the air defense system - the fourth-generation IR night vision cameras of high sensitivity.

[shahor]

Quote: Vadim237

For the developers of the Shell, this is a good reason to think about equipping the air defense system - the fourth-generation IR night vision cameras of high sensitivity.

Right! Such cameras do Israel! he will sell them to you with pleasure!

[Sergey]

It is impossible not to "spoil the relationship" and at the same time "be friends against" someone with whom you do not want to spoil the relationship. More precisely, you can combine something, but absolutely nothing good will come of it.

The main problem, it seems to me, is that the leadership of our country categorically does not want publicly formulate and then honest and consistent implement certain political declarations.

For example, the well-known and well-remembered meme: "Assad must leave." Why have we never heard from the mouths of Putin, Peskov, Lavrov and Zakharova something as simple and intelligible like: "Poroshenko must ...", "The West must ...", "The USA must ...", " Israel should ... "? Ever wondered?

And it’s good if such declarations are never even voiced, but at least they exist. Are you sure about that? Personally, I am no longer.

In my opinion, the moment has already come when it is time for our president and all those who formulate the foreign policy of our country to publicly speak to the Russian people, that is, to all of us at least on the Ukrainian issue.

[RadYan]

Quote: Stils

Can't we properly arm and train the Syrians?

Not !
Definitely NO !!!
There is no one to teach.

[Shahno]

If so without emotion. With regard to performance characteristics, Russian-made weapons (including those systems that are now being destroyed in Syria) undoubtedly pose a real threat and, of course, our primary competitor in the market. The organization of its application does not stand up to scrutiny yet, because it is clearly impossible to create a separate and universal complex from all threats, tactics come to the fore, and those who promptly execute tactical techniques. And here who is in fact, the Syrian "warriors" are lost in elementary situations. What kind of fight are we talking about ...

[reveny]

This, as I understand it, are you out of politeness?

[UAZ 452]

Is there anyone?

[Stils]

Quote: UAZ 452

Is there anyone?

The picture is supposedly there, in fact it is not clear.

[meandr51]

What, everyone has already been killed?

[Stils]

Or maybe there is no desire, money, or something else? Political will, for example, this is the question! Maybe time is needed, frames decide everything. Before, the Syrians in the USSR underwent training for more than one year. After all, there was a time, the Syrians really crushed the Jews, with the support of the Union, of course, even with their technological superiority! I won’t believe that the people there were completely decisive!

[Catfish]

Somehow I don’t really understand the general situation, dear fellow citizens. In Syria, our air defense systems either do not shoot down anything, or they themselves are "de-energized" by the Jews; and our planes, in our country, regularly and safely fall to the ground without any outside influence from the outside. The picture is very unsightly. On the other hand, from the TV screens, the already annoying muzzles are broadcasting to everyone that "everything is fine, beautiful marquise, everything is fine, everything is fine ...

[meandr51]

Well yes. And the fact that the squadron falls annually in the USA does not count? Can they? The one who does not fly does not fall. Military aviation must be able to fly risky. Or it’s called civilian. During the Second World War, non-combat losses were comparable to military losses. And both ours and the Germans.
And it’s impossible to establish reliably what is being shot down or not shot down by our complexes. This is classified information. Even now they argue over who shot down how many whom in the 70-80s. Each side has its own numbers. You just have to choose the side ...

[turbris]

Why this "analysis" was carried out is not at all clear from the materials of foreign sources. It was concluded that the air defense of Syria does not yet meet modern requirements, and who said that it is? The article contains nothing new, the usual statement of unverified facts and conclusions about nothing.

[mehan]

The Indians knew something when they chose Biho instead of Armor ...

[meandr51]

Yes, the Indians - they are such Indians ... They constantly know what it is ... For example, they choose Rafal instead of the Su-30, and then they make a distribution to those who profit from it ...

[mehan]

But bought something, Rafal? And the spacing on the collar does not hang, and was he?

[Alexey-74]

If you constantly hold the sword in its sheath, then why should it be removed from the wall at all? So why the S-300? If they are not used and are not even going to, because the consequences could be catastrophic for Syria, why was this even planned? If you scare the Jews after the downed our transporterink, then in my opinion they are not very afraid of that.

[Duty]

[/ Quote]
Well, no. The Shell missiles missed it clearly it was visible on the record, here it was not a mistake. They didn’t take it in quantity, namely, that the Shell simply cannot bring down these missiles. [/ Quote]
it seems like there was a planning bomb, and the shell missiles missed ... so the Jews turned on their EW.

[Coalition]

So some comments were outraged that even registered.

1. For a particularly gifted user who wrote that "do not get away" zrak fired missiles ... he simply did not see the attacking means of destruction. The answer is ..... I saw all the shell. It's just that the attack came from three sides, and just in the video, the complex was firing off previously moving missiles from different directions. As the media absolutely write, the complex was overloaded and in the end the Israelis hit it (three times). This complex should not fight off such massive raids alone. So what he did, knocked down several bombs, is already a feat for him, given that at least two planes attacked him and loitering shells were firing from high altitude. It's not for me to tell that this complex should not stand alone, but should work in conjunction.
With regards to cannon weapons. There is a double opinion. On the one hand, yes. With serious raids, guns are essentially not needed. Since they are either used for small purposes such as drones, or to shoot an affected aircraft. But then again .... for the purposes for which it (the complex) to accept, guns are needed. Since it’s expensive to hit a drone with a rocket.
Well, about the training of the Syrians (since the c300 do not work, because our specialists cannot work for them, there will be a conflict). It’s very difficult to teach Syrians to work in complex complexes. Like all Arabs, they wrinkle themselves as geniuses and do not want to comprehend new sciences, even before the threat of the collapse of their homeland. And the fact that Moscow does not give permission to shoot is nonsense. To do this (shoot) they were brought there. As they learn, they will. Another question is how long they will last ... since during the shelling, the hunt for the complexes will begin. And with that low level of calculation, they can’t live long.

One must be objective .... and not shout that all lies, nobody knocks anything .... and to bring down, it is necessary to create convenient conditions. You do not hammer nails with a microscope, and vice versa. So it is not necessary to demand from the weapon impossible from a word in general.

[Uncle Sam]

I can not understand. What does the untrained Syrians have to do with the use of weapons? There, battalions of Russian outsourcers run across the fields. Finding outsourcers on the C-300 is no problem. Yes, for sure, they are found. The question lies on a different plane - namely, we ourselves understand what we need there and whether there is any strategy other than a beautiful picture for a TV. Maybe our patriots do not see it, but there is a complete compromise of both weapons and military reputation

[nikolai.kolya]

100%.
removed the identification marks, as in the Crimea, and drove to shoot from the c300 !!!

[meandr51]

It may happen that compromise is in the interests of the Russian Federation. In his day, after the Finnish war, Hitler decided that the Red Army was not his opponent ...

[huntsman650]

Everything is exactly like that. The shell has a shooting sector of not more than 90 grams (presumably), and if at the same time targets are flying from different heights and directions, it is physically impossible to fire them. SOC will be seen, SSC will not be able to work out. The only one in the program is if the automatic mode, work on the most dangerous goals, is a priority.

[Ilya_Nsk]

Shitty "shells" from guns on sparrows, oh, that is, they shoot at drones. Even four of us. teachings in Arkhangelsk showed. In broad daylight the four of them fired and finally shot down with a rocket.

[Ilya_Nsk]

watch from 6:16 (guns vs drone)

[lBEARl]

I agree. I doubt very much that a more or less efficient calculation for the S-300 can be learned (retrained from other systems) in 3 months. As long as the Syrians do not have the opportunity to shoot down the carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic and adjustable bombs, Israel will continue to thrash the Shells, overloading them with a more or less massive raid. Why be afraid? No one knocks down carrier aircraft.

[Stils]

That's it ... Exactly, absolutely right! As long as you give the opportunity to launch rockets with impunity, you will always be in a losing position! The enemy will hit the weakest point!

Quote: lBEARl

I agree. I doubt very much that a more or less efficient calculation for the S-300 can be learned (retrained from other systems) in 3 months. As long as the Syrians do not have the opportunity to shoot down the carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic and adjustable bombs, Israel will continue to thrash the Shells, overloading them with a more or less massive raid. Why be afraid? No one knocks down carrier aircraft.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Coalition

It’s very difficult to teach Syrians to work in complex complexes. Like all Arabs, they wrinkle themselves as geniuses and do not want to comprehend new sciences, even before the threat of the collapse of their homeland.

I love Russian logic! Why send air defense systems to a country where there are no specialists? Especially in the country where his mother is at war! It would be possible to prepare them in the Russian Federation. The second question is once you are sure that the Arabs are "unteachable" what is trying to teach them for decades, first the USSR and now the Russian Federation? Are show-offs more valuable than money? If the Arabs are really unteachable and air defense systems without crews, congratulations in the leadership of the Russian Federation there are only unique people.

[Squint]

Why are false targets not used in Syria? Let the Jews shoot them and add them to their "victories".

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: askew

Why are false targets not used in Syria? Let the Jews shoot them and add them to their "victories".

Where have you been all this time!?

[shahor]

Quote: askew

And why do not false objects apply in Syria?

Apply in full. Missile traps. They are successfully shot down (sometimes) by the Syrians.

[panzerfaust]

The shells did not see the missiles flying in them? Maybe C-300 do not see Israeli planes? This is a fiasco, guys !!!

[Vadim237]

If the calculations are idioms to them at least come on - the result will be the same.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: panzerfaust

The shells did not see the missiles flying in them? Maybe C-300 do not see Israeli planes? This is a fiasco, guys !!!

There were many missiles flying, this time, indeed, the "Shells" were overwhelmed with numbers and attacks from various directions.

Secondly, the fatal strikes on the Syrian "Shells" were inflicted by Israeli attack drones (possibly "Sky Stariker", but it is not known for sure), which really have an extremely small screening surface of reflection and are poorly visible on radars when there are many other, brightly glowing targets.

The most incomprehensible why the Syrian calculations against them for some reason did not use more than effective cannon armament, probably considering the secondary objectives and the usual drones of observation ...

[Tektor]

The SkyStriker drone should be destroyed by the Chrysanthemum, and in the long term by the Air Defense Derivation.

[kiril1246]

No radio reconnaissance aircraft will replace Bedouin herding goats near the Shell and simply sending a GPS point to his destination.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: kiril1246

No radio reconnaissance aircraft will replace Bedouin herding goats near the Shell and simply sending a GPS point to his destination.

You apparently have no idea of ​​the level of the Syrian security agencies, if you think that Bedouins or other incomprehensible civilians are allowed to stay in the locations of the air defense batteries, especially those recently supplied from the Russian Federation.

But, unfortunately, the situation there is much more difficult - now I don’t know, and the 10 years ago, Syrian officers (especially from the Sunni Muslims) themselves lined up to sell military secrets to anyone ...

Just as an example from the recently revealed by the Syrian security - a group of senior officers of the government army sold the weapons and ammunition supplied to them to the militants of the "armed opposition", with whom they somehow had to fight ... And then, if "Mossad" gets involved, which works much thinner, and whose financial resources are much more?!?

[shahor]

Quote: Warrior2015

a group of senior officers of the government army sold the weapons and ammunition that came to them to the militants of the "armed opposition", with whom they somehow had to fight.

They managed to pass at least part of their experience to the Syrians ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

A serious lesson, if it benefits.

[Shahno]

There hasn’t been serious yet. And let's hope it will not. This is so, to think about.

[Parvis rasulov]

there is only one answer Israeli intelligence is very knowledgeable about the state of air defense of Syria, most likely there is a leak of information

[dima314]

come on! Drones are hanging, satellites are watching, Americans are flying and watching. What is unknown there? The option is only to constantly change positions and cover each other

[Rabioso]

There is no leak ... there is a mountain stream. Agent + air reconnaissance + satellites.

[Parvis rasulov]

The shell has two main drawbacks, the first missiles on it are uncontrolled and the second is a very unsuccessful Kamaz base.
and so correctly noted, "It's just that the attack was coming from three sides, and just in the video, the complex was firing off previously moving missiles from different directions. As the media absolutely write, the complex was overloaded and in the end the Israelis hit it (three times)."
Earlier in the motorized rifle regiment there was a Tunguska ZPRK battery and Strela 10 battery, they protected each other ...
The carapace is very good in combination with the SAM Tor, where two Torahs can create a circular defense each in its own hemisphere

[Shahno]

Just overloaded? What? Electronics passed out, so who said that the best in the world of rap. Jews did not speak.

[Parvis rasulov]

where does EW and REP?
I mean they overloaded it with an attack from three sides and the tower did not have time to turn around. As in a fight against three, one fist can be dismissed but not three.
but the main drawback, I have already noted, it stands still and cannot fire on the move. Tunguska does not have this drawback.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Parvis Rasulov

I mean they overloaded it with an attack from three sides and the tower did not have time to turn around. As in a fight against three, one fist can be dismissed but not three.

deisvilno, dishonestly attacked peacefully sleeping air defense, did not give a fight back.
taken from one and they struck from three sides. not fair

[dima314]

I understand what Israel is doing and what it is trying to, I’m trying to understand what Iran wants, it’s clear that Assad is trying to survive, but what Russia is doing in Syria ... here I pass ... We’ll forget to talk about the pipe from Qatar to Europe. .. there is no pipe there. Why give S-300 to Syria if it can not do anything with this complex? It is clear that one cannot win in defense and one must attack the enemy, Israel in our case ... But attack low ... then why twitch and give something there and try to bring something down? It is clear that Israel is technologically and infinitely rich above Russia thanks to the United States and there is nowhere to rock the boat, especially since Russia is under the hood of the United States. Then why rock the boat? Just went into the shadows and keep quiet!

[sergei28]

All the same, OIL.

[hobot]

What is incomprehensible here - the third world one is useless to us, but those who do not understand will be explained from another side.

[dima314]

and what, the shot Syrian Armor and this holds back the third world?) And to whom do all banks in Russia belong? And what is saved in the crisis in Russia in the first place? What categories do you think there? Probably in 1972 someone said or taught you that?

[Catfish]

Quote: meandr51

Well yes. And the fact that the squadron falls annually in the USA does not count? Can they? The one who does not fly does not fall. Military aviation must be able to fly risky. Or it’s called civilian. During the Second World War, non-combat losses were comparable to military losses. And both ours and the Germans.
And it’s impossible to establish reliably what is being shot down or not shot down by our complexes. This is classified information. Even now they argue over who shot down how many whom in the 70-80s. Each side has its own numbers. You just have to choose the side ...

Good evening, Andrew.

I don't know how many squadrons in America fall in a year, but they are rich guys and with their military budget they can not afford that. For example, as a training session, shoot your newest tanks with ATGMs. And in general, I don't give a damn - even if they all crash on the ground. We have a different matter and a completely different budget, and I, like Vereshchagin, "feel sorry for the State." And I don't need to choose a side, I have always been on this, Russian side, and when I served in the army and then in "civilian life". And if I didn't care - so God bless him, let them crash, there are no pilots among my relatives. Therefore, I am asking myself a simple question: WHAT HAPPENS? And with regard to secret information about downed planes, it is simply not there, with so many satellites overhead. There are no secrets from the battlefield, and a downed plane is not a crow, you cannot hide it in your pocket. So there is nothing to secret here, or rather simply does not make sense. And comparing our time with the seventies also makes no sense, everything is completely different.

[Thompson]

And why idle talk without knowing the truth ???

[Dzafdet]

Quote: riwas

He slept not only S-300, but also fighters.
And the Pantsir-C1 complex needs to be improved:
1. Replace the guns (which are not really used) with an additional supply of missiles.
2. Self-defense requires interference, such as "Blind".

But it’s not the Curtain that is needed, but Shilka. What does not take the Shell, takes Shilka ...

[Decimam]

Is there really no one on the site from the "friends of the Arab countries" who, during the Soviet era, tried to create a combat-ready army out of these Maimuns! All these arguments are about nothing. Even if the Arabs are given the Death Star tomorrow, the Arabs will still lose. How many times the Jews have already beaten them, and separately, and all together. And none of the weapons helped. And it won't help. And all the same, someone hopes that suddenly the Arabs will remember the times of Saladin ... Those Arabs are gone and will never be.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Decimam

Is there really no one on the site from the "friends of the Arab countries" who, during the Soviet era, tried to create a combat-ready army out of these Maimuns! All these arguments are about nothing. Even if the Arabs are given the Death Star tomorrow, the Arabs will still lose. How many times the Jews have already beaten them, and separately, and all together. And none of the weapons helped. And it won't help. And all the same, someone hopes that suddenly the Arabs will remember the times of Saladin ... Those Arabs are gone and will never be.

It remains to be understood by hundreds of generals, politicians earlier from the USSR Ministry of Defense and now in the RF Ministry of Defense. Countries disintegrate, builds change, and in Russia, every warrant officer knows Arabs are "unteachable" except for generals, politicians. consciousness))

[attimoha]

No need to go into antiquity. Learn at least the history of the USSR. During the Israeli war with Egypt, our KUBs (predecessors of the BUK) beat their American-made planes well.

[Decimam]

No need to give advice that you yourself do not follow. At the same time, learn the history of Arab - Israeli conflicts and try to find at least one where the Arabs won. Well, look at the loss ratio at the same time. Especially the loss of aircraft.
Then look at how many "ours" there were, it will help to understand how "our Cubes" shot down "American" aircraft.

[saabb]

This is not a story. You invented it. Read at least one article that is normal without censorship. It’s because of that opinion that if something starts, you can control Cubes and Beeches while lying on the sofa

[Back]

Quote: saabb

at least one normal uncensored article

Oh, I’ve been waiting for supporters of conspiracies to appear. Give out something fresh, otherwise the old mansies are already tired.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Decimam

suddenly the Arabs will remember the times of Saladin ...

Saladin Druze was like

[Shahno]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

Quote: Decimam

suddenly the Arabs will remember the times of Saladin ...

Saladin Druze was like

There was some evidence that he had Kurdish roots ...

[Decimam]

The Arabs themselves write that Kurd. Moreover, his father, Naj al-Din Ayyub, is also a well-known person.

[Warrior2015]

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Saladin Druze was like

Rather, the Iraqi Kurdish is the birthplace of the Iraqi Tikrit, an Arab city in the last centuries, but in the 12 century the Kurds may have lived there, but the Druze, like the Ismailis, was never there.

[Spiridonovich2]

Our rulers stopped publishing data on the number of dead Russian children in Syria. For what? So that the oil and gas kings continue to fill their pockets, and the people continue to be poor and die out?

[saabb]

Everything is used precisely because of the system my alien blockheads can’t bring down our plane anymore, it was because of this that the c300 was delivered and not in order to bring down planes from the NUCLEAR state

[Otshelnik]

https://m.haqqin.az/news/143849

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

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Boards over Israeli territory can not be considered, no one will allow Syrian missiles there, and the Syrians themselves will not shoot there,

You can’t shoot towards Israel, you can’t shoot towards Lebanon, and you can’t shoot towards Jordan. You can shoot in the direction of Iraq, but there are no Israeli aircraft there. So where does the Air Force loss come from? Losses will occur only if the pilots allow unforgivable stupidity, or completely change the rules of the game (well, such as an unmanned zone 300 km from Domask).

Are you sure that the BUK range is not 45 km, https://topwar.ru/37268-zrk-buk-m2e.html
and the C300 is not 100 (200) km, https: //topwar.ru/3523-zenitno-raketnaya-sistema-s-300v.html depending on the modification?
90% shot down, but do not tell .. You read the TTD there. Maybe 50% ... and then if the target is discovered. They do not see real goals.
Apparently, they themselves do not know for what purposes they are shooting: virtual or real snag, on their own missiles, on IL-20 or elsewhere.
ATS air defense launches dozens of missiles for one Israeli raid, they are not afraid of anything: Assad promised them a camel for the downed aircraft. Bullet in all directions. Sbili for 30 years one Israeli and one Russian aircraft.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

ATS air defense launches dozens of missiles for one Israeli raid, they are not afraid of anything: Assad promised them a camel for the downed aircraft. Bullet in all directions. Sbili for 30 years one Israeli and one Russian aircraft.

What a camel ... I heard that it seems like 100.000 USD is a prize from the Syrian authorities for the shot down Israeli plane, no?

And yes, the Syrians are shooting in huge quantities, but ... somehow not in the right place. After I saw that on one of the videos the Syrian air defense missile hit the usual residential HOUSE, I’m not surprised at anything ...

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

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What a camel ... I heard that it seems like 100.000 USD is a prize from the Syrian authorities for the shot down Israeli plane, no?

And yes, the Syrians are shooting in huge numbers, but ... somehow it’s not where it is needed. After I saw that in one of the videos the Syrian air defense missile hit the usual residential building, I am not surprised at anything ... [/ quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sa73e3682M смешно о не смешном.

the Syrians do not see targets, they see tricks and start firing, either randomly or at their own air defense missiles.
Yes, and not everyone sees ours: remember the bike about shooting the Kyrgyz Republic with a French frigate

[Peter47]

Quote: businessv

Touch Iran and Iranians less, it will be calmer!

Alas, these wishes should be sent to Iran. Hezbollah and Hamas, his brainchild and these terrorist organizations are imprisoned in a fight with Israel (how much money Iran alone swallowed in them is known to Allah), and Iran constantly threatens Israel. And Israel must reckon with this!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

That's why the S-300/400 line is worth it. The military leadership of these countries, unlike you, is incompetent and misled by vile Russians ... [/ quote]
There are also problems with the queue: India, Turkey, the UAE either stand in line, then move to another line, or something else ....
https://vpk.name/news/239400_reiting_straneksporterov_vooruzhenii_po_obemam_eksporta_vivt_po_itogam_2018_goda_i_za_period_20152018_gg.html
The second place in the TSAMTO rating in terms of the volume of conventional arms exports in 2018 belongs to Russia - $ 14,580 billion, or 16,4% of global supplies. 146 880 432 people (2018), $ 99,26 per person.
Israel ranks fifth in 2018 - $ 3,266 billion, or 3,7% of global supplies. Israel has its own turn. I recommend to study. 42% of the drones sold in the world are Israeli.
8 people (460), $ 047 per person.
In 2018, the United States will amount to $ 37,184 billion, or 41,8% of the global export of military products.
The US has 113,49 dollars per person

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

The most incomprehensible reason, why the Syrian calculations against them for some reason did not use more than effective cannon weapons, probably counting secondary goals and ordinary observation drones ... [/ quote]
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The answer is simple: very late detection (low RCS, interference, or otherwise) and incorrect determination of the distances to the drone: where the guns should already turn on, the missiles turn on, and even then it is too late. The rocket flies out late to meet the drone, tells him "Shalom!", The drone is already at the Shell, the rocket turns around, zigzag after the drone, the drone hits the Shell, and the rocket bumps into the ground somewhere nearby or can hit the Shell after the drone.

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Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

The rocket flies out late to meet the drone, says to him "Shalom!", The drone is already at the Shell, the rocket turns around, zigzags behind the drone

And talk?

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Russian S-300s not active during attack in Syria http://www.irna.ir/en/News/83182796 Tehran, Jan 24, IRNA - Head of Majlis (parliament) national security and foreign policy commission Heshmatollah Falahat-Pisheh said on Thursday afternoon that Russian air defense system of 'S-300', which are deployed in Syria, were inactive during the Zionist attack on Syria.
The Russian S-300 air defense systems deployed in Syria were not activated during the Zionist attack on Syria.
In particular, the chairman of the National Security and Foreign Policy Commission of the Iranian parliament, Heshmatollah Falahat-Pisheh, said that if the Russian air defense systems were activated, then "the Zionists could not attack Syria with such ease."
In his opinion, the Israeli Air Force is coordinating its actions with Russian air defense deployed in the country.

[boo]

Such a technique should be made taking into account the fact that seconds decide everything in modern combat. Pointed, shot, forgot, or just shot, forgot. High-quality guidance, extremely reduced reaction time, full automation, low cost. So the equipment either does not see or slows down or cannot get in or is too expensive and is available only in small quantities. What greatly depends, as is known, on the quality and cost of the sensors and the element base. Which modern ones are apparently absent to replace the equipment of 20 years ago. With the current thieves in power, we are slowly turning into Somalia. It was necessary to buy factories for the production of microcircuits in the zero for oil super-profits, and not to saw and arrange olympiads. What was not done because the whole economy was sharpened under theft, not reproduction.

[arcgrz]

between Tel Aviv and Moscow, there is an agreement on prevention and non-intervention, unfortunately.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

[quote = Bronek] A couple more of these videos with burning "Armor" and this "unique" missile and gun complex will stop buying from us. Including its own army. [/ Quote]
So India refused and bought [quote = Bronek]
India refused to have no analogues in the world towards the South Koreans, the contract is 1.6 billion) inf from December 2018, and ours screamed that it was biased ... as always, it’s good on paper, but Israel’s video is better)

[Warrior MorePhoto]

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Quote: Parvis Rasulov

I mean they overloaded it with an attack from three sides and the tower did not have time to turn around. As in a fight against three, one fist can be dismissed but not three.

deisvilno, dishonestly attacked peacefully sleeping air defense, did not give a fight back.
taken from one and they struck from three sides. not fair

Ay yay yay) I remind you that this is not the first time that armor is offended ... what bad Jewish hooligans are)

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: Ilya_Nsk

watch from 6:16 (guns vs drone)

The headline, as always) NATO is in shock, the West is in a panic and so on and so forth, and for the cabbage soup they got right away there is a reason ... I’ll say so - I got a gun to shoot. You are not going to shoot then and do nefig there!

[Leonid Dymov]

Our military equipment is being tested in Syria. So far, we have only fought with ISIS terrorists, who have no aircraft and air defense, but Israel has them. Due to Israeli attacks on Syria, we can identify and correct our shortcomings. We gain experience with minimal losses.

[Vanguard2090]

Israel in Syria lost almost all of its air force

[Vanguard2090]

Funny to read!! According to the Russian Defense Ministry, all Israeli flying scrap metal was shot down in Syria!!