Media: US exit from the INF Treaty unties Russia's hands

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The United States is making a big mistake by withdrawing from the treaty on the elimination of medium-range and short-range missiles, since Russia is armed with missiles with non-nuclear warheads that are much more deadly than nuclear weapons. weapons, writes Foreign Policy.

Media: US exit from the INF Treaty unties Russia's hands




According to the publication, the withdrawal of the INF Treaty will be disastrous for Washington and will play into the hands of Moscow, since it will allow it to deploy new ground-based missiles with conventional warheads, not really increasing its nuclear potential, and Russia’s high-precision non-nuclear weapons can cause significant damage to the US and its allies. alliance. As an example, the authors of the publication quoted words spoken in 1984 by Nikolai Ogarkov, Chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, who said that high-precision missiles with an increased range could dramatically increase the destructive capabilities of non-nuclear weapons, which would ultimately make them close to nuclear in terms of effectiveness.

The publication emphasizes that some in the United States still do not understand the significance of high-precision non-nuclear missiles, considering them to be a secondary weapon in contrast to nuclear ones.

The authors also recall that the United States and NATO have many cruise missiles that are formally covered by the treaty, but deployed on sea and aviation carriers, thereby not specified in the contract. Russia, according to the publication, does not have such missiles, and it only has to deploy ground installations to respond to the threats of the West. Through the INF Treaty, the United States allows Russia to create new deadly land-based missiles with non-nuclear warheads using new technologies that Moscow certainly has.
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  1. +7
    19 January 2019 12: 15
    Well, that does not bind, that's for sure.
    1. +17
      19 January 2019 12: 22
      I think our something else will fall out, cartoons will no longer be needed. Let them howl and moan further.
      1. +4
        19 January 2019 13: 10
        unties Russia’s hands

        Maybe vice versa .. But Russia will also place something near the USA
        And the signal will be automatic .. If silence begins on the air from the General Staff of the Russian Federation
        1. +1
          19 January 2019 13: 15
          Yes they dreamed. We will make such missiles with nuclear warheads! Let them shake.
          1. +5
            19 January 2019 14: 00
            Quote: krot
            Yes they dreamed. We will make such missiles with nuclear warheads! Let them shake.

            Nuclear warheads will be more difficult. Existing contracts still limit their number. Although I really want to place "Rubezh" in Chukotka on the abandoned, but not collapsed Gudyma.
            But the creation of a large number of Calibers and "Large Calibers" on a tracked, wheeled chassis, and just stationary ones - this is a headache for the United States, and even more so for European NATO members
            1. +1
              20 January 2019 05: 16
              NSV-3 limits strategic ones, and on this type of missile it is more often put tactical, but it does not fall under its effect.
              And according to some reports, we have more tactical ones than the FSA.
        2. 0
          19 January 2019 13: 23
          Well done, Vitaliy! About the automatic signal - you're straight to the point. And then people will think - with flags from the Ostankino tower they will be lighthouse.
          lol
          1. +4
            19 January 2019 13: 48
            Everything is correct at the expense of high-precision Russian missiles, but after reading the author’s article I ask myself the following question: do NATO and the USA have high-precision missiles or something?

            "will play into the hands of Moscow, since it will allow it to deploy new ground-based missiles with conventional warheads, without particularly increasing its nuclear potential, and Russia's high-precision non-nuclear weapons could cause significant damage to the United States and its allies in the alliance."

            Already in Poland there are interceptors (I want to believe that interceptors), but they can be quickly and easily changed by changing the software to cruise missiles, since universal launchers allow you to do this.
            1. +1
              19 January 2019 14: 02
              Quote: Arberes
              Everything is correct at the expense of high-precision Russian missiles, but after reading the author’s article I ask myself the following question: do NATO and the USA have high-precision missiles or something?

              Of course I have. Legendary Tomahawks. And quite a lot. But, in Russia there is the best in the world, deeply layered air defense system. In the West this is not.
          2. -1
            19 January 2019 13: 48
            Quote: Carpenter 2329
            Well done, Vitaliy! About the automatic signal - you're straight to the point. And then people will think - with flags from the Ostankino tower they will be lighthouse.
            lol

            Ostankino’s will immediately be blown up ... And then I think the ham enthusiasts will begin to beacon alarm and collection .. Well, it started soldier
            1. -1
              19 January 2019 14: 40
              There was a diversion. The old woman survived then and now she will survive!
        3. +3
          19 January 2019 13: 32
          Quote: Beater
          But Russia will also place something near the USA


          I'm intrigued, dear Beater hi Can you tell me - "next to the USA" is WHERE?
          1. +2
            19 January 2019 13: 52
            Quote: Arberes
            Quote: Beater
            But Russia will also place something near the USA


            I'm intrigued, dear Beater hi Can you tell me - "next to the USA" is WHERE?

            Somewhere nearby, they are covered with shells and waiting .. (Sakharov still developed such crap .. creepy)
            No one knows where the button is. He didn’t even say this to his Jewish wife ..))) .. bully
            1. +3
              19 January 2019 14: 00
              Quote: Beater
              Somewhere nearby, they are covered with shells and waiting


              Do you seriously believe in the mass graves off the coast of Florida of our "Scythians"? Are you talking about them?
          2. +1
            19 January 2019 14: 03
            Quote: Arberes
            Can you tell me - "next to the USA" is WHERE?

            Chukotka
            1. +1
              19 January 2019 14: 07
              Quote: Gritsa
              Chukotka


              Well, from Chukotka we will cover theirs with Alaska (something tells me that this is not critical for the USA): they will gut us out to the Urals, not forgetting to strengthen their missile defense in Europe before that. hi
              1. +3
                19 January 2019 14: 46
                Quote: Arberes
                Quote: Gritsa
                Chukotka


                Well, from Chukotka we will cover theirs with Alaska (something tells me that this is not critical for the USA): they will gut us out to the Urals, not forgetting to strengthen their missile defense in Europe before that. hi

                We will cover not only Alaska, but almost the entire Pacific coast. And this, for a minute, is one of the three largest American "sectors" of accommodation of the entire population and economy. California is the richest state. Its budget is comparable to that of Russia.
                1. 0
                  19 January 2019 14: 53
                  Quote: Gritsa
                  but almost all of the Pacific coast.


                  Well then, not everything is so bad. There is something to think about mattresses.
              2. 0
                19 January 2019 19: 31
                I will disappoint you - the distance from Anadyr to the bays of San Diego is a little more than 5100 km, and from the bay of Providence even less. And San Diego is, by the way, the border with Mexico. So that the entire Pacific coast of the United States, the rift of St. Andrew and the Yellow Stone caldera will be within reach of land-based SD missiles, if such a task stands. And nuclear or non-nuclear warheads on them will be - only Krishna knows.
                A third of the US territory (this is without Alaska!) Will be under attack. It, of course, is somewhat reciprocal, but ... We have at least air defense, but there, excuse me, is empty!
                Fighter aircraft to counter a massive missile strike is not enough. So parity, His Majesty, will be ensured.
                1. 0
                  19 January 2019 19: 38
                  Quote: Vlad.by

                  I will disappoint you - the distance from Anadyr to the bays of San Diego is a little more than 5100 km, and from the bay of Providence even less.


                  But why upset that ??? You, on the contrary, have pleased me.
                  A third of the US is very good!
              3. 0
                19 January 2019 23: 36
                Quote: Arberes
                Well, we will cover with Chukotka theirs Alaska

                I think we will not cover Alaska, but will take it. And from the rest of the states we can cover ...
          3. 0
            19 January 2019 14: 42
            The distance from Russia to the United States is exactly 4 km so that the White House and the Pentagon are far away, but even this distance the rocket will quickly get over
            1. +1
              19 January 2019 14: 46
              Quote: Fantazer911

              The distance from Russia to the USA is exactly 4 km

              I’ll go to the capitol for a walk, after all, but four stops in total. I'll walk on foot.
              1. +1
                20 January 2019 06: 27
                ..he lost one zero - 40 km ..
      2. 0
        19 January 2019 13: 11
        With unusual heads ... Volumetric explosion ..
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        2. +5
          19 January 2019 13: 25
          INF Treaty has died. The agreement is beneficial to the United States, but not beneficial to Russia. In this, the expert is right. The United States has a large fleet equipped with cruise missiles and air force bases around Russia with aircraft equipped with cruise missiles. In addition, our neighboring countries possess short- and medium-range missiles, including those with nuclear warheads. Denunciation of the contract will untie our hands. And it will stop the emerging threats. Thanks to Agent Trump.
          1. +2
            19 January 2019 13: 53
            Quote: Bearded
            Denunciation of the contract will untie our hands.


            Hands will certainly be untied, I have no doubt. hi Only shtatovskie toys will no longer be in Germany, but in polyandia and the Baltic states.
            Flight time is 5-6 minutes.
            1. 0
              19 January 2019 14: 53
              And in the Baltic States Arly Burke do not swim? We can also deploy missiles in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. In the south, the US has no missile defense. It will be worse for mattresses.
              1. +3
                19 January 2019 14: 59
                Quote: Bearded
                And in the Baltic States Arly Burke do not swim?


                Swim, even as swam, there as luck would have the Baltic Sea.
                Quote: Bearded
                place missiles in Cuba

                I'm afraid, my friend, that Cuba will not go on such an adventure.
                Quote: Bearded
                in Venezuela and Nicaragua.

                A good option, BUT there would not be a hindrance to strengthen the power vertical to begin with. Governments barely hold on, otherwise we won’t have time to approach Nicaragua, where the puppets of Uncle Sam will come to power there.
              2. +1
                20 January 2019 02: 34
                have Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua already agreed on the final?
              3. 0
                20 January 2019 17: 53
                Quote: Bearded
                We can also deploy missiles in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.
                Well, have they already called us there?
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      4. 0
        19 January 2019 14: 36
        I remembered the caravan going .....
      5. +2
        19 January 2019 15: 11
        Quote: Rusland
        I think our something else will fall out, cartoons will no longer be needed. Let them howl and moan further.

        “The list of“ threats ”also includes the most powerful non-nuclear Russian bomb AVBPM (high-yield aviation vacuum bomb), which soon after the tests was called the“ Daddy of all bombs. ”If we compare it with the American GPU-43 / B, tested four years earlier, and called "The Mother of All Bombs", then the Russian one turned out to be lighter and more compact, but much more effective. "Made in Russia" is four times more powerful than "Made in USA" and is capable of hitting 20 times a large area. Eerie comparison, but "Papa" demolishes completely 180 city blocks, against 9. At the same time, the Russian bomb is close to tactical nuclear weapons, but its vacuum charge does not leave chemical and radioactive contamination. And if we consider that the most powerful ballistic missile RS-28 "Sarmat", then the effectiveness of destruction increases many times. According to the throw weight, the bomb fits into the characteristics of the missile, and the transfer of "Sarmat" to the non-nuclear status of huts Avit her from many restrictions. "
      6. +1
        20 January 2019 14: 42
        I agree. The main thing is that we have enough of our resources.
  2. +1
    19 January 2019 12: 18
    And here we have only one option, namely rockets, high-precision, winged, on the border with the adversary. They, missiles, sober faster, and include the instinct of self-preservation, and also activate the brain of a likely target. .
    1. +2
      19 January 2019 12: 22
      The United States is engaged in business, and we interfere with them, but their withdrawal from the contract is more beneficial for us.
      1. -4
        19 January 2019 12: 33
        Quote: cniza
        but their withdrawal from the contract is more beneficial to us.

        Only on condition that the INF Treaty will not be in Europe

        It is necessary to rivet packs of S-500 as quickly as possible ... Just the ideal killers of the INF
        1. +7
          19 January 2019 12: 51
          Decides another milestone. I repeat - in the USSR it is West Germany. Now - it is absolutely legal Poland-Baltic. Plus Georgia-Ukraine.

          Given the fact that on the other side there was its Caliber-K on the 4 of the Ax and the BMD on the movable chassis in the 80. Most likely, the new complexes will also be mobile. Taking into account all the friends at the borders, it’s a very real scenario for the covert and non-public promotion of the BRSD and KR installations, for example, to the Kharkiv region from Poland in 1-2 days.

          One of the main airbases of ZVO is just 350km. With the Baltic states and St. Petersburg - the situation is even worse - the city №2 in a nuclear war will not even have time to get scared.

          Yankee will have legal 25-30 minutes before the end. That is, there will be hope.

          European vassals do not mind anyone. Moreover, they themselves agree to pay billions of dollars for the right to be first burned in a likely war.
          1. -2
            19 January 2019 12: 55
            Quote: donavi49
            Yankee will have legal 25-30 minutes before the end

            Firstly, a little smaller, and secondly, most Americans will not even have 20m - the submarines will cover very quickly
            1. +11
              19 January 2019 13: 06
              Yes - in an ideal world, all submarines are always on duty off the coast of the United States to burn the United States at any time. Ohio all rust at the bases, and the teams thump in the bars.

              There are several strike options - again from 80's. One of the concepts - just assumed minimal unmasking factors. What are the good missile bases (in current realities on the naval MK41) near the enemy country? The fact that they cost a year, two, three = but at any moment they can release ammunition for targets. What are good mobile complexes in this aspect? The fact is - high readiness and the possibility of secretive advancement. It’s very difficult to identify preparation for a strike.

              Why is the fleet bad? Now is it all sorts of Berks with axes and partly Elk / Virginia / Ohio? The fact that revealing the deployment is quite realistic and this will give quite a lot of time for modeling, negotiations, and reaction. What is bad about the Air Force is that the massive deployment and relocation = is again revealed. The fact that even a massive rise in the sides - even under the legend of the exercises, will cause a reaction from the other side.

              With a high probability of 2 / 3 combat-ready SSBNs in the event of a sudden outbreak of war, they will shoot from bases.
              1. -1
                19 January 2019 14: 45
                Amazing !!!
          2. +3
            19 January 2019 13: 37
            Quote: donavi49
            Decides another milestone.


            I completely agree with you, dear donavi49 hi
            For all counts. Breaking the INF Treaty is a very bad option for us.
          3. 0
            19 January 2019 14: 08
            Quote: donavi49
            Given the fact that on the other side there was its Caliber-K on the 4 of the Ax and the BMD on the movable chassis in the 80. Most likely, the new complexes will also be mobile. Taking into account all the friends at the borders, it’s a very real scenario for the covert and non-public promotion of the BRSD and KR installations, for example, to the Kharkiv region from Poland in 1-2 days.

            One of the main airbases of ZVO is just 350km. With the Baltic states and St. Petersburg - the situation is even worse - the city №2 in a nuclear war will not even have time to get scared.

            All this is so. Therefore, our only hope of not being completely destroyed is advancing. That is, to have willpower and courage, when the time comes, when it is already clear that the blow will be inflicted - to strike it first. Namely, to destroy by Caliber and Iskander all positional areas of missile defense, the locations of mobile missile launchers, and the rest necessary and useful.
            1. +2
              19 January 2019 14: 40
              Quote: Gritsa
              work ahead of the curve.

              I absolutely agree with you, dear Grits but for this we need to change the doctrine to use nuclear weapons. I hope it will be so if the agreement collapses. If I'm not mistaken, then we can use nuclear weapons now only in response.
      2. +1
        19 January 2019 12: 34
        Quote: cniza
        The United States is engaged in business, and we interfere with them, but their withdrawal from the contract is more beneficial for us.

        But the exit from the INF Treaty is untying the hands of the United States.
        1. +3
          19 January 2019 12: 35
          Yes, even before that they didn’t bother much.
          1. -1
            19 January 2019 13: 31
            I must say that they did not prepare much - just compare the assortment and the "freshness" of the weapons (if the Minutemans are still on duty) ... request
            1. -2
              20 January 2019 18: 05
              Quote: hydrox
              I must say that they did not prepare much - just compare the assortment and the "freshness" of the weapons (if the Minutemans are still on duty) ...

              And you do not care what burns - from the old Minuteman or from the new? The United States believes money is good - the product will remain in service until it is able to solve the problem. The minuteman (more precisely, his RGCh) has nothing to intercept today. Well, why fence the garden? There will be new challenges, new solutions will appear. Complacency here is harmful and dangerous.
              1. 0
                20 January 2019 19: 10
                Liberoids should not interfere in conversations that discuss weapons: You have never been strong in this area, and your training manual is crappy - to get out with Russians with such arguments now - just make them laugh.
                And your Minuteman 30 years ago was shamelessly outdated and even then was crap, and since then you haven’t got any new ones! laughing
                1. -2
                  20 January 2019 19: 14
                  Quote: hydrox
                  Liberoids should not interfere in conversations that discuss weapons: You have never been strong in this area, and your training manual is crappy - to get out with Russians with such arguments now - just make them laugh.

                  My dear, while you make fun of your illiterate Russian and ignorance. You can’t object to the matter, so give advice to your wife how to cook cabbage soup.
                  1. 0
                    20 January 2019 19: 48
                    Then go to her under the skirt, cry - maybe it’s easier, but don’t forget to turn on the boiler (if you know the purpose of this device) - sorry, there’s absolutely nothing to say liberally.
                    They just didn't deserve it ... tongue
                    1. 0
                      20 January 2019 23: 35
                      Quote: hydrox
                      liberals have absolutely nothing to say.

                      If there is nothing to say, then do not push. And then again ... bow down. Well, really, that's why you came to the site?
                      1. 0
                        21 January 2019 02: 54
                        See what regular meanness a liberal bastard is slipping into Russia again.
        2. +1
          19 January 2019 13: 02
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: cniza
          The United States is engaged in business, and we interfere with them, but their withdrawal from the contract is more beneficial for us.

          But the exit from the INF Treaty is untying the hands of the United States.


          This is not entirely true. Withdrawal from any contract "unties the hands" of the one who carried out it.

          In this case, to us. Termination of its action at this stage is certainly beneficial to the Russian Federation.

          The fact that it is the United States that is tearing it apart is a great success of our diplomacy. In my opinion.
          1. +1
            19 January 2019 13: 12
            We need to maintain the image of a peace-loving power, well done Lavrov. + You
            1. +2
              19 January 2019 13: 52
              Who is this for you ???
              We need the right plants to work in three shifts! And talk less about successes. Kill ah!
              1. +2
                19 January 2019 16: 07
                You are all right, but always without fanaticism.
              2. +1
                19 January 2019 18: 33
                Quote: little path
                Who is this for you ???
                We need the right plants to work in three shifts! And talk less about successes. Kill ah!


                Personally, you first need to learn to read carefully. Then try to understand what you read. There are only three short paragraphs. The article under discussion is also, by the way, not very large. You should succeed.

                If this is still difficult for you, then yes, it is better to go and build at least one "necessary" factory. From cubes.
            2. 0
              19 January 2019 18: 19
              Quote: Tank jacket
              We need to maintain the image of a peace-loving power, well done Lavrov. + You

              And he doesn’t even know laurels.
        3. +1
          19 January 2019 13: 25
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: cniza
          The United States is engaged in business, and we interfere with them, but their withdrawal from the contract is more beneficial for us.

          But the exit from the INF Treaty is untying the hands of the United States.

          The fact is that now, in principle, conditions and the possibility of improving existing weapons and creating new ones are being created. Someday one of the sides will have an absolutely perfect weapon of "deterrence", but in fact "murder", when the other side will have to admit superiority and make concessions. There is a breakdown of the existing parity of power and deterrence, which may lead to the temptation to crush a geopolitical enemy. This is the end of the fairy tale, because everyone will lose.
        4. +2
          19 January 2019 13: 35
          Quote: NEXUS
          But the exit from the INF Treaty is untying the hands of the United States.

          It does not matter. In any case, the INF Treaty will end, because third countries do not regret signing it. The dispute is only about who is accused of ending it.
        5. 0
          19 January 2019 13: 43
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: cniza
          The United States is engaged in business, and we interfere with them, but their withdrawal from the contract is more beneficial for us.

          But the exit from the INF Treaty is untying the hands of the United States.

          Your suggestions?
          1. 0
            19 January 2019 17: 13
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            Your suggestions?

            But there is no proposal, but a statement of the imminent death of this treaty, however, like many others that have determined the world order for the last 70 years.
            What do we do? Develop systems of attack and defense ... here we simply do not have any other options.
            Another question is that when the US withdraws from the treaty, we must remember that their bases are near our borders, and not vice versa. That is why I said - "... and unties the hands of the United States."
            1. +1
              19 January 2019 17: 39
              Somehow they’ll sort it out at the General Staff.
        6. +1
          19 January 2019 14: 49
          Quote: NEXUS
          But the exit from the INF Treaty is untying the hands of the United States.

          =======
          That's right !!! But this is NOT the USA, namely Russia (RF) has at least 5 (five!) Countries with such weapons on its borders ..... (France and Britain - I DO NOT mean !!!) ... Yes! - Some of them today - TEMPORARY "allies" (more precisely - "fellow travelers"!), And WHAT will be "tomorrow"???
          Yes! TODAY, neither Germany, nor France, nor the Scandinavians - "Not happy" about the prospects of placing "Tomogavks" and "Pershing" on their territory ... AND TOMORROW ??? BUT!
          At the same time, "forgetting" about the "eastern and southern" flanks of the Country is NOT ACCEPTABLE !!!
          Is it good for Russia to break the INF Treaty ??? Probably - IN GENERAL - Yes !!! But the "bad sides" are MORE than enough !!!!
    2. -2
      19 January 2019 12: 35
      We need missiles in Cuba 100%. Preferably hypersonic, both nuclear and kinetic
      1. -2
        19 January 2019 12: 40
        Quote: Hypersonic

        We need missiles in Cuba 100%.

        Do you need a Caribbean crisis 2? Boy, are you more careful with your desires? Better want to see a naked woman.
        1. +1
          19 January 2019 12: 51
          destiny; why the deployment of amer missiles at the borders of Russia does not cause any crises like the Caribbean, maybe you should look at the problem from a different angle
          1. -1
            19 January 2019 13: 35
            Well, thinking should be developed, preferably not through cartoons and comics, but through reading serious literature, and not hanging on a gum club ...
          2. 0
            19 January 2019 14: 28
            And you are already looking at the "problem" from a liberal perspective :: that liberals, that you simply need to destroy the Russian economy and do not care what :: sanctions, endless bans on loans, trips in international trade (North Stream-2) - to We are already used to all this, but liberoids and yusam need more :: get out, prepare the skaklov for an attack and it doesn't matter to you that they will be ground into minced meat - you and your yus will still achieve the representation of Russia to the whole world in the form of Satan, although Russia will , AS ALWAYS, nothing to do with it (remember the autumn towing attack on the Russian sea border, laughing laughing laughing ).
            Even not strong-minded performers will receive a top-ten in Komi ... Yes
        2. 0
          19 January 2019 13: 33
          Quote: Destiny
          Quote: Hypersonic

          We need missiles in Cuba 100%.

          Do you need a Caribbean crisis 2? Boy, are you more careful with your desires? Better want to see a naked woman.

          Nato bases near our borders - is this not a crisis? And the mobilization deployment corps in Poland, what? I am silent already about the deployment of US interceptors around our bordersand, in due time, missile defense was linked to both the START treaties and the INF Treaty.

          In general, the world forgot what it is to live in fear of a nuclear war. What is Europe, what is USA ..

          So, in this komente I agree with the Younger Hyper. Only Cuba, I am afraid, will give consent rather to China, and not to us. And with America, they began to restore relations ..
          In general, it’s high time for the Yankees to shake, the question is how and how to do it so as not to burn everyone down? At the level of modern politicians ... there are no answers to questions in this crazy world. The blood and horrors of World War II were also forgotten ..
      2. 0
        19 January 2019 14: 54
        Quote: Hypersonic
        We need missiles in Cuba 100%. Preferably hypersonic, both nuclear and kinetic

        ============
        There is only one little thing left ... Cubans agreed to another "Caribbean crisis".... Something" tells me "that they (Cubans, in the sense) -" Not at all Delighted "from similar "perspective".....
  3. 0
    19 January 2019 12: 20
    In a hybrid war with barmales, rebels and the ISIS-irregular army of the United States, Russia defeats with the help of a non-nuclear WTO and our missiles are accurate. All right said. And Tomahawks Trump shared with us in Syria for study. At the same time he castrated hawks.
    1. -4
      19 January 2019 12: 33
      Not even rockets, but mostly bombs
      1. 0
        19 January 2019 12: 35
        All non-nuclear weapons and tactics and strategy. And we have gained invaluable experience and refinement of weapons and advertising.
  4. +1
    19 January 2019 12: 20
    Coming out of their INF Treaty, the United States allows Russia to create new deadly ground-based missiles with non-nuclear warheads using the new technologies that Moscow certainly has.


    They asked for it ...
  5. +1
    19 January 2019 12: 32
    withdrawal from the INF Treaty will beconvincing for Washington and will play into the hands of Moscow
    Hopefully that will be so. The fact that this will untie our hands is not even in doubt. Wait and see.
  6. 0
    19 January 2019 12: 33
    All the same, we lose more from breaking the contract than we win.
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 13: 39
      Quote: dr.star75
      All the same, we lose more from breaking the contract than we win.

      It's just that no one has yet realized how much this is a killer bunch - an over-the-horizon radar plus long-range missiles. Interestingly, the United States has ZGRLS?
      1. 0
        19 January 2019 15: 10
        Quote: Setrac
        Interestingly, the United States has ZGRLS?

        They especially do not need them, since Canada and Mexico do not threaten them. And to track the start of our missiles, there are satellites and Aegis with which they surrounded us. Moreover, they are planning a disarming strike, and we only have a reciprocal.
        1. 0
          19 January 2019 15: 38
          Quote: dr.star75
          They especially do not need them, since Canada and Mexico do not threaten them.

          If you don’t have something, you can always come up with excuses why you do not need it. The Americans have the same problems with pointing long-range anti-ship missiles as we do. Interestingly, with the help of ZGRLS it is possible to direct a cruise missile?
      2. 0
        20 January 2019 18: 11
        Quote: Setrac
        Interestingly, the United States has ZGRLS?

        There is! One, for example, stands in the Negev on the territory of Israel and controls, including the territory of the Russian Federation, a little further than the Urals.
  7. -2
    19 January 2019 12: 33
    But they can’t stay out either, because China and many other rivals have such missiles. Zutswang for Americans. By the way, why are there explosives in the same "Dagger"? I calculated that kinetic energy alone would be enough for an impact equivalent to about 28 tons of TNT equivalent
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 12: 51
      Wow, what nonsense ...
      1. 0
        19 January 2019 12: 55
        Submit your calculations
        1. -1
          19 January 2019 13: 07
          For your school, I remind you that kinetic energy must be calculated according to the formula E = mc ^ 2/2. Set the speed of the rocket, its weight at the end of the flight, and count. And how do you translate this energy into kg or tons of centuries - I leave it on your conscience. No thanks
          1. -2
            19 January 2019 13: 32
            Clearly, there will be no calculation. Drain counted
          2. +1
            19 January 2019 14: 09
            Quote: My4there
            For your school, I remind you that kinetic energy must be considered by the formula E = mc ^ 2/2. Set the speed of the rocket, its weight at the end of the flight, and count. And how do you translate this energy into kg or tons of centuries - I leave it on your conscience. No thanks


            "Diary of a Madman".
    2. 0
      19 January 2019 13: 45
      Quote: Hypersonic
      I calculated that kinetic energy alone would be enough to impact the equivalent of about 28 tons of TNT

      I will not dispute your calculations, I will only note that the TNT equivalent is not physical TNT at all. Explosives have parameters such as high-explosiveness and high explosiveness. It is clear that the soil, into which all your "kinetic" energy will go, is inferior in these indicators to physical TNT. Not to mention, most of your "kinetic" energy will go into the ground.
  8. +5
    19 January 2019 12: 34
    [quote Russia is armed with missiles with non-nuclear warheads, which are much deadlier than nuclear weapons] [/ quote]
    What kind of warheads are these? In my sofa-strategic opinion, 10 megatons for adversary is what you need! The most high-precision warhead, bang, and no Washington! am
    1. +2
      19 January 2019 12: 44
      Quote: shubin
      bang and no Washington!

      1. 0
        19 January 2019 12: 51
        bang and no Washington!

        Moreover, not only the city, but the whole state! This is accuracy! laughing
        1. 0
          19 January 2019 12: 58
          Quote: shubin
          This is accuracy!

          Well, it's like Vietnam's bombing raids. Suddenly, something important comes under attack. But basically, the civilian infrastructure and population suffered.
  9. +2
    19 January 2019 12: 43
    The fried smell. Snakes swarmed.
  10. +2
    19 January 2019 12: 43
    They read our site in the United States, only this topic was started by our site experts, our site experts immediately sifted through this chip, but it only reached them, I take off my hat hi
  11. mvg
    -1
    19 January 2019 12: 54
    Complacency, or rather, for the near-patriots of the near ..... What, nafik, missiles at the borders of the adversary? Who is such nonsense? The revolution in Venezuela (Maduro is living out the last weeks), Castro has not been in Cuba for a long time ... And no one would have let us do this. What kind of rockets are abruptly nuclear? They will place ATOMAXs in Romania, Poland, and Ukraine with nuclear warheads and the time of arrival, up to the European part of the minute, and we will live, like under Reagan, with children frightened at school. And they themselves have 32 vigorous Poseidon, but Vanguards with proud Daggers ..
    PS: And you don’t even have to bring Burke to the shores, unmasking the preventive strike with Axes .. Europe, May Bi will not, but it will be calm behind the puddle. Where do we get involved again in the arms race with oil at 45 euros
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 13: 01
      The wars are now hybrid, no one will allow a nuclear war to be unleashed. TNWs are being developed; yes, Europe is being prepared for the use of nuclear weapons. And bacteriological is already used in Georgia, Ukraine and other countries.
    2. +4
      19 January 2019 13: 03
      Quote: mvg
      we will live, as in Reagan, with scared children at school

      Maxim, did you live in the USSR during the Reagan era or do you eat liberal throws? Who scared children at school? My children were in school then. No one was intimidated.
      1. mvg
        -2
        19 January 2019 13: 09
        My children were in school then

        And you forgot the exercises "nuclear outbreak on the right .." or about the PRU and gas masks to remind or who is Reagan? I studied, every week a lesson on OBZHRD or whatever, the refuge of the doctrine ... that's exactly how it was with us.
        1. +4
          19 January 2019 13: 11
          Quote: mvg
          it was just like that

          And from this all of you were in fear and horror?
          1. mvg
            -3
            19 January 2019 13: 27
            you were all in fear

            There was no doubt that the nuclear war would begin ... There were other quantities of nuclear weapons on each side, and we were convinced that if something happened, we would tear our own wink and they will die anyway.
            PS ,: But seriously ... It is clear that we are sliding into a new arms race with empty pockets and without allies. Against the whole world (civilized), NATO has grown, there is no ATS, there are only enemies on the entire perimeter of our border .. or temporary neutrals, such as China, Mongolia, Kazakhstan ..
          2. 0
            20 January 2019 18: 21
            Quote: Piramidon
            And from this all of you were in fear and horror?

            Well, in general, when at the Coffin (as the Soviet school and I called civil defense lessons) we were shown a training film about actions on a signal about the threat of a nuclear attack, it was scary. But we were children 13-14 years old, after school, football, and the horrors were forgotten (until the next film).
        2. 0
          19 January 2019 13: 21
          The US defeated us in a non-nuclear way and long before Reagan. With Khrushchev, it all began. Allen Dulles laid his team.
        3. +6
          19 January 2019 13: 55
          Quote: mvg
          I studied, every week a lesson on LRW or whatever, asylum teachings ...

          I was a schoolboy at that time. On the NVP in the basement they fired from small things under the leadership of the military instructor, a retired major. And they were not afraid of any Reagan.
          1. mvg
            -1
            19 January 2019 14: 23
            On the NVP in the basement shot from the shallow

            Well, I shot for the school, and was the captain of "Zarnitsa" and rocked 5-6 days a week in the same basement, but Mr. Reagan was heard, and I had enough brains to think about what to do in the school basement throughout the entire school. half-life of the isotopes of uranium-235 and plutonium-238, that boredom will still be for several thousand years ..
    3. +1
      19 January 2019 13: 04
      In one I agree with you, it is pointless to deploy missiles on Cuba and South America, no one has yet learned how to launch missiles, but it is possible that on takeoff, the Cuba is just in the US coverage area, but on the rest you can argue how you are sure that nuclear US missiles are no longer in Europe, installations are already in Poland and God knows where, our people have been talking about this for a long time, only you don’t hear
      1. mvg
        +1
        19 January 2019 13: 14
        installations are already in poland

        What stands in Poland and is being built in Romania and interceptors in Alaska is Nonsense. Tens of pieces, yes on the Tomahawks .. Maximum to the Urals .. But hundreds, yes ballistic, with a range of 4-5 thousand km, is another matter. Flight time is 10-20 minutes, or even less .. You can try to destroy 80-90% of mine ICBMs, close naval bases and deal with 4-5 airfields on which strategic aviation is based .. Then, with Axes, finish off 4-5 thousand axes , objects covered by air defense / missile defense. Get 5-6 missiles in response, but for Europe is not worried, they are not sorry.
        1. +1
          19 January 2019 13: 27
          Well, what do you share in the skin of an unkilled bear, in Europe there are no fools to host nuclear strike systems either, even the Baltic states seem to mellow, well, there are a couple of scumbags to be hosted, well, we’ll deploy the system too, especially since we’re ready on the basis of it Iskander 1500 km (?), as there was parity, it will remain so, Europe only rakes itself a haemo swarm. In general, I consider how many are here, all this cats against China
          1. +2
            19 January 2019 13: 40
            Poland - it will even give money, only to be placed at the forefront of the campaign against Moscow.
            Ukraine is understandable there.
            Georgia is similar.

            That’s enough. Plus the Baltic states. Given the recent jumping of Old Man from chair to chair - I would not even be sure of a single ally.

            On the contrary, all sorts of Germany / Italy / Denmark / Netherlands and others - most likely they will say no. But now they are no longer needed especially strategically, as a platform for the deployment of infantry and infantry fighting vehicles.
          2. 0
            19 January 2019 13: 55
            Quote: Warrior-80
            in Europe, too, no fools to host nuclear strike systems

            In fact, in Europe, several hundred nuclear weapons are quite legitimate. Another thing is that they are presented in the form of air bombs (and possibly ATACMS missiles) and do not pose a very big threat.
          3. mvg
            -2
            19 January 2019 14: 32
            in Europe, too, no fools to place

            They will cut off the sprats and will agree, like dear ones .. Ukraine is understandable, of course ... 300 ballistic missile systems, with 3 BGs of 150 kt each, this can destroy our strategic nuclear forces of 400 (approximately) mine and mobile-based missiles, well, 1-2 pieces 955 and Dolphin (Squid) on the database to catch ... and that's it. And we will be safe. 30-40 Elk and Virginia should handle this.
            PS: 100-150 Iskander .. is caught by the Allies, because this is their problem .. aviation.
            1. 0
              19 January 2019 15: 44
              Quote: mvg
              300 ballistic missile systems, from 3 BG to 150 kt, this can destroy our strategic nuclear forces

              Explain how? In the Russian Federation, continuous radar tracking of missile launch into the Russian torone - Voronezh was recreated, and that’s all. They will start the launch on us almost immediately. Do you think that the military-political leadership, having seen the launch on its territory of hundreds or thousands of missiles, will wait until they reach? No, of course, a retaliatory strike will be immediately initiated. And the Yankees know that
              1. mvg
                0
                20 January 2019 05: 12
                continuous radar tracking missile launch into the torona of Russia - Voronezh and that's it

                What `s next? Tracked. The approach time is 10 minutes, the time to prepare the strategic nuclear forces is longer .. While the president is awakened, until then, until .. until the diesel fuel is poured into the rockets ... When there is an order to launch, there will be nothing or units to launch. Communication will suffer first.
                PS: there is no such thing as an automatic start, any computer can fail, a person accepts an order for a retaliatory nuclear strike or for a large number of signs .. I suspect that one of them is a vigorous explosion.
                The meaning of the deployment of sprats of the MRL is the approach time, less than the response time of the strategic nuclear forces. The retaliatory strike will be delivered only to the nuclear submarines, which are on the database. So they need to be caught ... Hyper - you are a troll, well, a person cannot be so short-sighted (I said softly), you read your comments ... you have to be in complete fury, for example, I can’t drink or smoke so much. hi
                1. 0
                  20 January 2019 08: 21
                  Quote: mvg
                  10 minutes approach time

                  With submarines. From ground-based strategic nuclear forces and air forces - 20-30m or more. However, it doesn’t matter
                  preparation time of our strategic nuclear forces is longer

                  1 minute

                  while the president is awakened


                  Out of 3 people, two solutions are enough: prezik, Shoigu, Gerasim. Shred instantly. The decision will be made very quickly. And when the Pndos deliver the INF in Europe, they will generally introduce automated systems that will hit on their own if they notice a missile launch exceeding the capabilities of shooting down our missile defense

                  What "while diesel fuel pour into rockets", what are you talking about? : D Greater than the troll than you, I have not yet met
                  1. mvg
                    0
                    20 January 2019 08: 34
                    With submarines. From ground-based strategic nuclear forces and air forces - 20-30m or more. However, it doesn’t matter

                    Stop talking nonsense ...
                    http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/pershing_2/pershing_2.shtml
                    The flight time of Pershing-2 to objects located in the center of the European part of the USSR was only 8-10 minutes, which made them a very dangerous weapon of the first strike.
                    This is from western Germany !!! How much will be from Estonia ??? And, if it will not be Pershing, and the acceleration time of the first stage will not be 55 seconds, but 15.

                    1 minute

                    What is 1 minute? Ask the missilemen on the website, for example, the "old 26" how much is the standard, even exceeded during the drill ... This is about mine, not to mention mobile, which still need to advance to position! It's not even interesting about it, until there is a signal from above, nothing will take off.

                    Of 3 people, a solution of two is enough

                    What are 3 people, what are you doing? ONLY the president, or even the council, the shoigu reports, the GDP makes a decision. what kind of automation? SkyNet wanted? Crash and hello ball? The Americans had already tried this, the world was on the brink. Even a "dead hand" collects signals from a bunch of sensors.

                    What "while diesel fuel pour into rockets"

                    About diesel fuel, I with all my heart drew .. wassat Enough to fantasize, engage, if not education (it is already impossible to teach), then at least self-education. Why look like a scarecrow? A strange hobby.
                    1. 0
                      20 January 2019 11: 51
                      I told him about the US strategists, he told me some Pershing. Hand face. Learn to read what they write to you if you are not at school
          4. 0
            20 January 2019 18: 28
            Quote: Warrior-80
            in Europe there are no fools either to host nuclear strike systems,

            And if we deploy medium-range missiles with a nuclear warhead on the border with Europe, can the opinion change in Europe?
        2. 0
          19 January 2019 15: 42
          Or you can just undermine 32 Poseidon on the US coast)
      2. 0
        19 January 2019 13: 14
        Capacity. The question is in capacity. Even if missile defense facilities in Romania are loaded with axes, then what's the point? Well, they will launch whole 24 Ax. AND? Coming regularly to visit the replaceable Burke - can run 60+ axes and still remain on the SAM = for self-defense.

        At the same time, the object itself is expensive - and the main value = radar, a control system for all this. Which for a missile strike base is simply not needed.

        Yes - they carried out a huge and successful work, in particular, on the placement of standard naval MK41 on prepared ground platforms. In the future (without DRMSD) - they will be able to make cheap strike missile bases. Which will have only MK41 + hopper control. It will be cheap and missiles at such bases will be on 24 - and how much is needed, at least 100 +.
        1. mvg
          -1
          19 January 2019 14: 39
          MK41 + hopper control. It will be cheap and there will be 24 missiles at such bases - and how much is needed, at least 100+

          They have 90+ carriers of Axes (80, 96 and 122 cells In any combination), plus 2 Ohio of 154 axes ... They can be adapted to Norway with impunity (in the sense of the Premier League).
          PS: There are allies ... though they are unlikely to be told ... Japan, England, Korea .. this is who has axes and Aegis. But the most unpleasant thing is BRMiSD. They can be quickly made and placed.
          1. 0
            19 January 2019 15: 00
            I wrote above - the key difference between the fleet / aviation from bases / ground complexes.

            Well, for all sorts of Norway, Denmark, Romania, Japan = suddenly push say 50 Berkov. AND? There is no way to hide it. Even the mass exit of the submarine is revealed. And, it gives days - to the reaction. 1-2 Burka who regularly hang out at the borders in different directions, yes +/- standard outfit of boats = this is the position of the normal situation.

            Aircraft similarly - mass transfers = always open. One or two B-52 / B1 = it means nothing.

            With bases and ground complexes everything is different. They cost a year, two, three = but on any day, teams came and rockets flew. That is, the deployment period is either absent altogether (stationary missile bases) or minimal and difficult to track (mobile systems).
            1. mvg
              0
              20 January 2019 05: 21
              Well, for all sorts of Norway, Denmark, Romania, Japan = suddenly push say 50 Berks

              Donavi, I wrote in brackets with a specialist that only submarines can invisibly fit into Norway, and this is 300 axes. No one will push Burki / Tiki ... about a dozen - the maximum, so as not to arouse suspicion. Japan and themselves, by the way, have an MK-41, you can cram vigorous axes right at Atogo ..
              Aircraft similarly - mass transfers = always open. One or two B-52 / B1 = it means nothing

              And he didn’t draw anything about airplanes, this is the second stage of the war, even the third ... after the axes. Point targets when air defense is gone.
              With bases and ground complexes everything is different

              This is precisely what I meant, you can pick up vigorous rockets for a whole year there and then launch it instantly.
        2. 0
          19 January 2019 20: 22
          In short, you will have to pull up to the border of the anti-aircraft missile defense system C 300B4 and C 500, as well as riveting hundreds of shells and putting them all over the border - then it’s certain that no missile and plane will fly from Europe.
    4. 0
      19 January 2019 13: 11
      So what to do? Keeping European cities and bases hostage, threatening with hundreds of cruise and ballistic missiles, not even nuclear ones, is the very thing with such a game.
      1. 0
        20 January 2019 18: 35
        Quote: My4there
        what to do? Keeping European cities and bases hostage, threatening with hundreds of cruise and ballistic missiles, not even nuclear ones, is the very thing with such a game.

        And if they answer the same? With their economic and production potential, this is easier for them than for us. So much for the arms race. In the late 80s, it ended badly for the USSR. Do you have reason to believe that now the result will be different?
    5. 0
      19 January 2019 14: 21
      Quote: mvg
      Complacency, or rather, for the near-patriots of the near ..... What, nafik, missiles at the borders of the adversary? Who is such nonsense?

      It is regrettable, but it’s worth admitting that in this regard the amerikatos beat us one hundred points ahead. It is enough for them to poke around, and European countries will abruptly begin to put their missiles on their territory. Despite the fact that this is a complete potential suicide. Apparently, they have more fear of the United States than fear of their own death. Moreover, some countries will even beg the Americans to deliver them such missiles. Here in general - a clinic, inexplicable.
      But we cannot deliver anything near the USA. We do not have such leverage. Do you think Cuba will gladly accept our offer? I doubt it. The same goes for Venezuela and Nicaragua. Because the Americans have enormous opportunities for a very quick organization of a color revolution there and a change in existing power. Do they need it? Even if it is not possible to bring about a revolution in these countries, the United States has enormous opportunities to block these countries. Now compare the capabilities of our fleet and the American and everything will fall into its own meta. We have no hope for anyone. Only for yourself.
  12. -4
    19 January 2019 12: 59
    That is why foreign media are more adequate than our MO (and even more so - commentators from VO)?))) Well, the truth is written that to protect against enemies we adopted the idea of ​​deploying a large number of ground-based cruise and ballistic missiles. It is the ground one, because aviation and the fleet in our place are rotten and cannot seriously strike back, if that. This is more important than armatures and vanguards, because K. will reduce the danger of a limited military conflict without the use of any nuclear weapons. But the tool is flexible, and in a critical situation and tactical yao will fly. And the doctrine of this has recently been redone. Everything converges)
  13. 0
    19 January 2019 13: 02
    Flight time in a few minutes .. how to fend off ...? Accommodation in Cuba .. in Venezuela ...? A funny game turns out with great temptations ...
    1. -2
      19 January 2019 15: 46
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Flight time in a few minutes .. how to fend off ...?

      S-500 and Skynet, which immediately automatically launches rockets as soon as the radars detect a massive launch at us. Scary what to do
  14. +1
    19 January 2019 13: 27
    the words said in 1984 by the chief of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces Nikolai Ogarkov, who said that high-precision missiles with an increased flight range can dramatically increase the destructive capabilities of non-nuclear weapons, which will ultimately make them close to nuclear in terms of efficiency.

    When called up, the portrait of Nikolai Vasilievich hung on the wall of the military enlistment office ... I kept wondering why not the difference in just one letter? But, as it turned out, this surname in different areas is not called different dialect ...
  15. 0
    19 January 2019 13: 31
    According to the publication, Russia has no such missiles, and it only needs to place ground-based installations to respond to Western threats.

    Let's just say, it was not before the adoption of the "Caliber".
  16. 0
    19 January 2019 13: 41
    The most interesting thing is, before the announcement of the withdrawal from the treaty, the Americans did not realize this? Hands will be "untied" not only for Russia, but also for everyone who is capable of producing such missiles. fool
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 13: 53
      Everyone had no restrictions. At all. For example, the Korean (Democratic) Hyunmoo-3 rocket - 1000-1500km range.


      Or Pakistani Babur2 - with Nuke at 800km.

      This agreement was only between the USA and the USSR (RF as a receiver). Everyone else can build any missiles without restrictions. The only thing - there is another agreement on the non-proliferation of percussion instruments = 300km export version. But it has not yet been canceled. That is, to sell to the same Iran - what a super Iskander to Israel = is not yet possible. request
  17. +2
    19 January 2019 14: 07
    What is this, another alternative to the order of the National Interesta, which is being bogged down?)))
    .....
    Time goes by and threats change. The INF Treaty has lost its relevance.
    The threat of a breakthrough of Russian tanks to La Manche disappeared, and ballistic missiles ceased to be the prerogative of two superpowers and appeared in the arsenal of even many underdeveloped countries. Under these conditions, the US command does not see any reason to continue to set unnecessary restrictions for itself, and that’s all.
    No 3 world in the foreseeable future is not expected. Yes, and no one needs it for a long time, everyone is happy with the current state of affairs.
  18. 0
    19 January 2019 14: 29
    precision nuclear missiles


    all the more so with the wave of a wand, such a missile, with the help of Rosatom specialists, could become nuclear.
  19. +1
    19 January 2019 14: 40
    Logically, the whole of Europe should stand up to its ears against the cancellation of the RDSM treaty.
    9M729 - (SSC-8 in the USA) ground version of "Caliber"! According to our data, the range is up to 2600 km. (, according to their data, from 2 to 5.5 thousand km.).
    But, even according to "our data", it is capable of "covering" the whole of Europe not only from the Kaliningrad region, ("Iskander"), but also from the Murmansk region, covering the remnants, including "small Britain." But Europe ("Old World") is already clearly worn out bedding under the "New World". fool
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 16: 02
      The Pershinges have already been placed .. will be placed now ... A retaliatory strike ... precisely against the USA .. this will stop .. The cause is eliminated first of all ... and not the consequence. Dream .. sitting in a puddle .. cut short
      1. 0
        19 January 2019 20: 24
        Now they will not post new Pershing - because they do not have them at all, if they do this no earlier than 27 years. In the meantime, only cruise missiles.
  20. +1
    19 January 2019 14: 44
    All this, of course, is important. But there are still bacteriological and chemical weapons that are superior in efficiency to conventional weapons and the mass of US laboratories along the border with Russia does not inspire optimism.
    I think it’s time for us to open such laboratories in Cuba too.
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 15: 11
      They still need to be beautifully named, supposedly this is a scientific center for the development of a vaccine against influenza, Ebola, anthrax.
      1. +1
        19 January 2019 15: 21
        And in my opinion it is not necessary to play around, and directly call the "Laboratory for the Prevention of American Contagion".)))
        1. 0
          19 January 2019 15: 28
          Still need to start collecting DNA material from a typical American, such as for scientific purposes, to treat all of humanity from arthritis. But collect only American DNA from the white population.
          1. 0
            19 January 2019 15: 33
            Yes, the Anglo-Saxons should have been analyzed for a long time as it should, first of all those who are in power and ours, too, would not hurt to examine. I think their DNA is similar.
            1. 0
              19 January 2019 15: 41
              Yes, it’s just possible to announce a competition, not even to collect, but to do something completely different ... It’s worse. They have a civil war possible, but they must have a marshland to prevent the whole business.
              1. 0
                19 January 2019 16: 21
                It is well said not to allow it. The Kremlyov specialists are trying so hard to make the people happy that it’s even scary to think what will happen when the people’s patient runs out ...
  21. +1
    19 January 2019 18: 21
    The authors also recall that the United States and NATO have many cruise missiles, formally subject to the treaty, but placed on sea and aircraft carriers, thereby not specified in the treaty. According to the publication, Russia has no such missiles, and it only needs to place ground-based installations to respond to Western threats.

    The authors blamed the nonsense. Doesn't Russia have a line of Kh-55, Kh-55SM, Kh-555, Kh-101, Kh-102 missiles and, in the future, Kh-50? Or are there no 3M14 missiles of the "Caliber" family ???

    Quote: Beater
    Maybe vice versa .. But Russia will also place something near the USA
    And the signal will be automatic .. If silence begins on the air from the General Staff of the Russian Federation

    And you can find out how the SBU signal for automatic start will be transmitted at a distance of 7-8 thousand kilometers ???

    Quote: Bearded
    The contract is beneficial to the United States, but not beneficial to Russia. In this, the expert is right.

    Will it be beneficial for Russia if medium-range ballistic missiles are deployed in the same Poland, Estonia or Latvia / Lithuania? With a flight time of 2-3 minutes to Moscow and St. Petersburg and 5 minutes to the main bases of aviation, fleet, strategic missile forces? Did not know. It turns out the worse the better ???

    Quote: Hypersonic
    It is necessary to rivet packs of S-500 as quickly as possible ... Just the ideal killers of the INF

    Go to the household, buy a hammer and start riveting. Damn, how tired of this hatred. There are two each year, a maximum of three regiment sets are produced, but here a more complex system will be riveted in batches am

    Quote: Hypersonic
    Firstly, a little smaller, and secondly, most Americans will not even have 20m - the submarines will cover very quickly

    Do our submarines graze off the US coast? Or all the same in the area of ​​their bases. The same minutes as with ICBMs, well, maybe a little less, but not by much

    Quote: donavi49
    With a high probability of 2 / 3 combat-ready SSBNs in the event of a sudden outbreak of war, they will shoot from bases.

    Moreover, the firing range allows ...

    Quote: Hypersonic
    We need missiles in Cuba 100%. Preferably hypersonic, both nuclear and kinetic

    Need another Caribbean crisis? Are there any opportunities? Cubans are eager to be burned 15-20 minutes earlier than us ???

    Quote: Hypersonic
    But they also can’t leave, since China and many other rivals have such missiles.

    And whose medium-range missiles reach the United States? North Korean? Or maybe Iranian ???

    Quote: Hypersonic
    By the way, why are there explosives in the same "Dagger"? I calculated that kinetic energy alone would be enough for an impact equivalent to about 28 tons of TNT equivalent

    Congratulations. It has already become 28 tons, and previously it was 30 tons of TNTE. That's when you get at least one and a half tons of TNTE - then there is the opportunity to talk. And if you get to at least 100 kg of TNTE - in general there will be a very close value

    Quote: Warrior-80
    how are you sure that the US nuclear missiles are no longer in Europe, the installations are already in Poland and God knows where, our people have been talking about this for a long time, only you don’t hear

    Nuclear tomahawks, both sea and land, were disposed of in the last decade. They just don't have Tomahawks with YaBZ now. Nuclear warheads remained only on aircraft AGM-86B
    1. 0
      20 January 2019 03: 54
      Quote: Old26
      Need another Caribbean crisis? Are there any opportunities? Cubans are eager to be burned 15-20 minutes earlier than us ???

      For some reason, the Americans are not afraid and quietly deploy a missile defense system (and maybe the Tomahawks) near our borders. And no crisis. Only concerns.
  22. +1
    19 January 2019 18: 30
    All such strategists and commanders are already too much. Be sure there will be no war. I want to remind you that Russia and the surrounding area have been under the full control of the United States since 93. And all these "our" president and government are appointed governor-generals (all according to Goebbels - Eastern savages do not need education or medicine). And all these dances with tambourines, such as the "Russian threat" on the one hand and "NATO's movement towards our borders" on the other, only to distract and keep byd ... oops, the electorate under control. It's just that they have there "behind the puddle" also not ice, but rather even ass. They did the printing of bucks, one national debt of $ 20 tr. - almost 100% of GDP (and this, for a minute, another 20 tr.). Yes, there are no goods, resources, or services for this amount on the entire planet ($ 3k for each of the seven billion, for a minute, only the national debt). Therefore, most of this $ is "backed" by "securities, well, very valuable" securities. But that's not all, all these public debts and GDP are just the tip of the iceberg that lies on the accounts of the "super-rich", "very rich", just "rich" and not very rich people. The capitalist system has come to its logical end, which the classics of Marxism warned about. And what to do with all this does not know anyone in the entire celestial body "Earth"
    1. 0
      19 January 2019 19: 02
      It is possible to extend the life of this very liberal capitalist system by creating a revolution and unrest in a country rich in resources. Next comes the corps of occupiers and takes resources under control. This is what they are doing and so they are prolonging it.
      1. 0
        20 January 2019 04: 01
        Read my comment carefully. To ensure the dollar mass, it is necessary to make unrest and take control of the resources of another planet (or even not one). Otherwise, uncontrolled inflation, which will cause an avalanche of hyperinflation, and given that $ is the global currency, you know. Only the Indians of the Amazon forests and the Zulus of the Kalahari Desert will not notice this. And they will survive only where the average annual temperature is much higher than 0, and everything itself grows year-round.
      2. +1
        20 January 2019 04: 54
        And yes, if by a country rich in resources you meant "independent" Russia, then I must disappoint you, our resources have long been sold at the root. Under them, in the USA, futures are drawn, under the collateral of which "printed" (the cash has hardly a tenth of the total mass of $) still a lot of bucks. If the Soviet ruble, which for some reason was called wooden, was provided with ALL goods and mat values ​​of the USSR, which was written on it. That ruble of the Bank of Russia is backed by dollars, on which we are notified that they believe in God, without explaining who their god is.
  23. 0
    19 January 2019 19: 10
    Something a lot of loose. Bind, untie. Does anyone else think that all these contracts are being implemented? Naive. Everything is ready, but what basing is absolutely unimportant.
    After all, we also have submarines that can hammer from under water and even from the North Pole.
    You just need to understand that if you get a big booze, you need to be the first to cut pickled cucumber. And this is intelligence work.
    The rest is all from the crafty and intimidation of the peoples of both them and us.
  24. -1
    19 January 2019 20: 30
    Quote: afrikanez
    The most interesting thing is, before the announcement of the withdrawal from the treaty, the Americans did not realize this? Hands will be "untied" not only for Russia, but also for everyone who is capable of producing such missiles. fool

    And for others, they were not connected at all. Only with us and the Americans

    Quote: Bearded
    And in the Baltic States Arly Burke do not swim? We can also deploy missiles in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. In the south, the US has no missile defense. It will be worse for mattresses.

    But I doubt that Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela will want to become cannon fodder for us and take the first blow. And about the absence of missile defense in the southern direction, then they have early warning radars with a direction to the south. California also has four strategic interceptor positions for GBI. Nor was anyone forbidden to patrol the Berks in the Gulf of Mexico. So you shouldn't think that their south is open and defenseless

    Quote: Arberes
    Flight time 5-6 minutes

    If in the Baltic states, then even less

    Quote: Bearded
    And in the Baltic States Arly Burke do not swim?

    They can swim. That they, unlike the possible options for placement on the ground, on ships only winged subsonic. And on earth you can deploy ballistic

    Quote: major147
    “The list of“ threats ”also includes the most powerful non-nuclear Russian bomb AVBPM (high-yield aviation vacuum bomb), which soon after the tests was called the“ Daddy of all bombs. ”If we compare it with the American GPU-43 / B, tested four years earlier, and called "The Mother of All Bombs", then the Russian one turned out to be lighter and more compact, but much more effective. "Made in Russia" is four times more powerful than "Made in USA" and is capable of hitting 20 times a large area. Eerie comparison, but "Papa" demolishes completely 180 city blocks, against 9. At the same time, the Russian bomb is close to tactical nuclear weapons, but its vacuum charge does not leave chemical and radioactive contamination. And if we consider that the most powerful ballistic missile RS-28 "Sarmat", then the effectiveness of destruction increases many times. According to the throw weight, the bomb fits into the characteristics of the missile, and the transfer of "Sarmat" to the non-nuclear status of huts Avit her from many restrictions. "

    AVBPM on "Sarmat" as a load? It was dropped from a transport ship or a strategist, but you have it under the fairing of the "Sarmat"? You can see the grass, what are you coming up with ...

    Quote: Gritsa
    Namely, to destroy by Caliber and Iskander all positional areas of missile defense, the locations of mobile missile launchers, and the rest necessary and useful.

    "Iskander" can be destroyed. "Caliber" - hardly. Such bases will be covered with some kind of air defense means. And to shoot down a subsonic missile when it is detected (and they have enough AWACS) is not a very difficult task. Even small caliber anti-aircraft artillery will do
    But hitting moving ones is much more difficult. Need reconnaissance in the RRV and weapons in minute readiness

    Quote: Hypersonic
    S-500 and Skynet, which immediately automatically launches rockets as soon as the radars detect a massive launch at us. Scary what to do

    Skynet? "Terminator" seen enough ???
  25. 0
    19 January 2019 20: 44
    "missiles with non-nuclear warheads, which are much more deadly than nuclear weapons" belay -you-but the American edition knows better of course laughing
  26. +1
    19 January 2019 20: 54
    Well, yes, we are highly accurate, and they are nuclear .... Nobody will figure out who shoots with what, they will hit on the bluff right away, there simply may not be a second chance.
  27. 0
    19 January 2019 21: 18
    Quote: mvg
    plus 2 Ohio for 154 axes ...

    4 Ohio 154 axes

    Quote: mvg
    But the most unpleasant thing is BRMiSD. They can be quickly made and placed.

    Yes, this is the most unpleasant, but fortunately it’s not fast to do it, and nuclear heads for them will have to be restored from old stocks. And they can upgrade to 3,5 hundred a year.
  28. 0
    19 January 2019 22: 23
    The discussions somehow circumvented an interesting point regarding missile defense, and, more specifically, our missile defense. In such a situation, you will have to deploy, in addition to the main, also the object of air defense / missile defense. Moreover, the next generation missile defense, that around Moscow is yesterday. And here comes one interesting nuance. Elements of missile defense based on previously unused physical principles by their work can damage the protected infrastructure, so they need to be placed at some distance. We have such an opportunity, but in a geyrop with its density of communications, you can not even dream about it. In this situation, it is far from the fact that a quick and disarming ride, but the dovecote is in ruins without options.
    As for the placement of missiles in various spratlands, the reverse side of the coin has not been canceled. The faster the launch is detected, the greater the chances of intercepting a missile at the initial stage of flight.
  29. 0
    19 January 2019 23: 44
    The missile technology of RUSSIA is a fundamental guarantee of its security. The "partners" in the current conditions should try to shackle this factor, and they stimulate it. A GAME with a lot of unpredictability.
  30. -1
    20 January 2019 02: 11
    The publication emphasizes that some in the United States still do not understand the importance of precision non-nuclear missilesConsidering them to be secondary weapons, unlike nuclear ones.

    And why only the USA did not remake some of their SSBNs in SSBNs (carriers of the Kyrgyz MB with OBCH)?
  31. 0
    20 January 2019 07: 22
    This is still a big question to whom the way out of the other hand is untied. The United States will launch a large machine for the deployment of missiles, and we will answer what ?!
    1. 0
      20 January 2019 11: 40
      And we will answer with a new "Speed" with multiple warheads.
      1. 0
        20 January 2019 11: 55
        Quote: Vadim237
        And we will answer with a new "Speed" with multiple warheads.

        The race is on the face, and Russia is being drawn in .. Until the problem is solved ... some losses .. recourse