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NATO losses in Yugoslavia

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NATO losses in Yugoslavia



The topic of casualties in any war is extremely scrupulous and controversial. However, it is precisely the contradictions in the estimates that make it possible to get a more or less complete picture of this. Many years have passed since the war of the NATO bloc against Yugoslavia. A huge military machine fell on Yugoslavia, the entire population of which was less than the number of inhabitants in New York alone. The operation codenamed "Allied Force" was doomed to success. In this article I would like to at least briefly answer the question: was the victory really bloodless for Americans and other coalition members?

According to official reports from representatives of the NATO military command, the operation against Yugoslavia was bloodless: Yugoslav air defense in the 78 days of air raids managed to shoot down only a few planes - in short, a complete triumph. This was believed not only in the NATO countries, but also practically all over the world. And only after the end of hostilities did the scale of the allied losses and the effectiveness of the NATO forces gradually become clear. In the matter of turning their losses into "invisible", the corresponding NATO structures turned out to be much more productive than the American "invisible" "stealth" shot down by Yugoslav anti-aircraft gunners. But some of the truth still came out.

From the Yugoslav side, the data was given by the command of the Air Force, in whose subordination the air defense forces were. In addition to these, the Air Defense Forces of the Ground Forces and the Air Defense Forces of the Separate Pristta Corps, deployed in Kosovo and Metohija (directly subordinated to Belgrade), also worked. According to Yu.P. Savelyev, who had been in the theater of operations, Yugoslavs were shot down 115 manned aircraft of NATO. An additional incentive for the SFRY to hide its successes may be that part of the ejected NATO pilots from the downed planes were killed by local residents (whom they had bombed before) before they fell into the hands of the Serbian military police - and this could already be declared a "war crime" ".

Here are the data from the Yugoslav side: 61 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 30 UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) and 238 cruise missiles. Of course, it can be argued that this is all the propaganda of the Yugoslavs, but why, then, the data on NATO losses cited by the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) of the Russian army are close to the data of the Yugoslavs? The GRU data published in a number of Russian newspapers was obtained from radio intelligence, from reconnaissance satellites and ships located in the Mediterranean Sea. Our GRU, given the official position of the political leadership of Russia, simply could not participate in the propaganda actions of the Yugoslav military. This means that these data are close to true. Similar loss figures aviation NATO is also cited by Chinese military sources.

But the most important thing is that NATO officials themselves and some Western newspapers (the control over them turned out to be not so tight) constantly talked about the real losses. For example, at the very beginning of the war, British Defense Minister Robertson acknowledged the loss of three British Tornado fighter-bombers in the skies over Yugoslavia, but in the final report of NATO losses they were "forgotten". Some independent think tanks in the West also did not share official optimism. For example, the American International Association for Strategic Studies after only the first month of hostilities (and they lasted more than two and a half months), claimed that the losses of Allied aviation were already 38 planes, 6 helicopters and 7 UAVs. These data coincide with the data of the Air Force of the SFRY for April 1999. However, at the end of the war, this association did not publish the total loss data - apparently, it did not want to discredit its reputation with the NATO “official”, and didn’t give real figures to it. There are a lot of such examples, but you can use a different approach, so to speak, the "indirect evidence methodology".

For example, NATO officially recognized the loss of 32 UAVs (even more than the figure that the Yugoslavs cited). And this is psychologically explicable. You can not hide the loss of unmanned aircraft, because it is not associated with the loss of pilots, and the equipment in the Western armies is very much. But it is the data on the losses of the UAV that make it possible to judge the rather high efficiency of the Yugoslav air defense. After all, it is even more difficult to shoot down a UAV than a manned aircraft. Despite the low speed of flight, the UAV has a small radar scattering surface, which makes it extremely difficult to use anti-aircraft missiles guided by radars, thermal radiation of the vehicles is also very small and therefore anti-aircraft missile systems with infrared guidance are also not very effective, small size reduces the possibility of damage artillery fire. So the big losses of the NATO UAVs are a sign of the effectiveness of the Yugoslav air defense. But after all, it concerns not only unmanned aircraft!

One of the arguments of NATO propaganda was that the Yugoslavs could not produce the wreckage of downed aircraft. But the Allied air force operated at an altitude of 4 - 15 km. Yugoslavia is a small country, and a wounded plane does not always fall down a stone; it can sometimes overcome a considerable distance from the place of defeat. Knocked down cars from this height could fall on the territory of neighboring, allied NATO countries, or in the Adriatic Sea. However, the remnants of several NATO aircraft Yugoslavs still demonstrated, and among them was one "invisible".

With these "stealth" of the Americans in general came out a complete embarrassment. The USAF received a whole fleet of F-117 fighters manufactured using radar stealth technology. Giant funds were spent on this. But it turned out that the Soviet radar stationed in the arsenal of the Yugoslav army quite easily detect the “invisible”. After losing three "stealth" the command of the US Air Force ordered to stop their combat use. The Yugoslavs proved that the "invisible" is suitable only for the filming of Hollywood blockbusters about the invincibility of American aircraft.

Yugoslavs have developed cheap and effective means of dealing with low-flying cruise missiles. Apart from the traditional means of air defense, the now almost completely forgotten aerostats of air barriers and the networks they raised into the air were quite successfully used against them.

At the same time, even after the end of hostilities, Western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal. For example, in Kosovo, NATO found the remains of a large number of dummies and wooden models tanks, APCs and guns affected during air strikes. It turns out that, spending a large amount of high-precision weapons (and only to the Americans the war against Yugoslavia cost half a billion dollars a day), the NATO forces hit the wooden and inflatable dummies of military equipment, which cost Yugoslavs almost nothing. The only thing that the Americans and their satellites have succeeded in is strikes against cities, bridges, power stations, that is, the defeat of the civilian population.

Little Yugoslavia has shown the world that even the colossal war machine of NATO and the United States can be successfully confronted. And the West has shown that in matters of propaganda and psychological warfare, he worthily continues the work of Dr. Goebbels.

The only thing that is bad for the NATO participants themselves is that the same Americans have come to believe that they, since the “Storm in the Desert”, have won only light and bloodless victories. But everyone who knows the latest history, they will recall that the last indisputable military victory of the Americans was achieved by them together with their allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Then there were either defeats (Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and many Third World hot spots), or Pyrrhic victories (Middle East, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Balkans). But America is convinced that she only did what she won. And it seems that Americans will have to pay dearly for this illusion.

Here are some very interesting facts (from the book of P. Lytkin “Handbook of Armed Forces of the Balkan Region Countries”):

24 March 1999 in the area of ​​Mount Chichavitsy in 20-30 shot down the plane. In the area of ​​Tigela Mig-29 in 20-35 (pilot Nebojša Nikolić), a NATO plane was shot down (possibly F-16). The plane fell into the sea, the pilot was rescued by a French carrier-based helicopter. At the mountain Yastrebats shot down a Luftwaffe "Tornado". Crew matched rescue helicopter (SFOR). In the area of ​​Lazarevac, the fighter Slobodan Peric attacked a NATO plane (possibly F-16). The fate of the attacked car is unknown. Kosovo in 21-30 shot down the "Tornado" of the Royal Air Force of Great Britain. The crew landed in the area controlled by the OAK militants and evacuated to Macedonia.

25 March 1999 The Greek military radio networks around 00-00 recorded two “Mayday” signals sent by NATO aircraft. After midnight, an F-15 aircraft landed at the airfield of Railovac in the vicinity of Sarajevo. The car smoked heavily. In the area of ​​Fruschki Gora in 23-00, F / A-18 “Hornet” was hit, falling into 11 km south of Ruma. Around midnight, a NATO plane was shot down in the area between Pristina and Poduyevo.

26 March 1999 in the region of Doña Trnova, 15 km south-west of Bielena (Republika Srpska), F-17 of the US Air Force fell in 20-15, the pilot died. Representatives of NATO claimed that it was the MIG-21 Air Force JNA.

27 March 1999 on Mount Mallen in 01-00 fell downed "Tornado" Luftwaffe, two pilots ejected and taken prisoner in the area of ​​the city of Chachak (Konevichi village). In the vicinity of Pec shot down a NATO plane. In the area between Vrutak and Kremnaya, near the town of Užice, an aircraft was shot down. Between Vrutak and Kremnaya, an SFOR helicopter with 03 soldiers aboard was shot down in 20-22. The helicopter attacked the JNA infantry unit, but was hit by a MANPADS missile. All 21 people on board died. North of Sambora, a NATO plane was shot down; there is no information about its fate. The Greek military radio network recorded three “Mayday” signals. The first filed a Danish F-16, another F-15 US Air Force and the third-French "Mirage". General Jankovic stated that the Canadian F / A-15 "Hornet" was shot down near the Macedonian border on 50-18. The car fell in Macedonia. A plane was shot down near the village of Budanovtsy in 17-00. Near Budanovtsi in 20-55 shot down by a missile-launcher "Cube" F-117А. The pilot, captain Ken "Wiz" Dwilly catapulted and called rescuers. At about 23-55, the SFOR rescue helicopter, carrying the rescue team and captain Dwili, was shot down by infantry units that were scouring the area in the F-117 crash, all of the NATO troops on board were killed.

28 March 1999 in the area of ​​Uglevik Bridge in 02-50 was shot down by the US Air Force F-15, the pilot was killed, some sources claim that it was F-117А. In the area of ​​the town of Uglevik in 03-00, a SFOR HH-60 rescue helicopter "Pave Hawk" was shot down with 12 members of the rescue team. Survived and captured only two people. In the area of ​​Loznice shot down a NATO aircraft, the pilot ejected. In the area of ​​Pristina in 23-50 shot down the plane. In the area of ​​Mount Pastric, near Prizren, a NATO plane was shot down at 23-55.

29 March 1999, after midnight, near the city of Pale (Republika Srpska), shot down by F-15 (or F-16) by the USAF, fell. The pilot ejected, but was later found dead. After midnight, the UAV was shot down over the n / a Gakovo (near Sambir).

30 March 1999 near the Varpazar near 01-00 a British Harrier vertical take-off aircraft was shot down by a missile. The pilot ejected and was captured. Near Vranje in 16-30 shot down the plane. The pilot ejected. At night, the plane was shot down over Prizren, fell near the mountain Cer (mountain range Cer planina). At night, a UAV was shot down over Aleksinac.

31 March 1999, near the town of Gnilane (Kosovo), a NATO plane was shot down. Fell in Macedonia. Near the Orphan, north of the city of Novi Sad, shot down "Tornado" Luftwaffe. Two pilots taken prisoner.

1 April 1999 was shot down by a NATO plane near Mount Tara in 01-00 (the pilot apparently survived and gave a distress signal). At Mount Tara in 01-30, two CH-53 “Stallion” helicopters were shot down with 58 crews and SFOR paratroopers. All died. At the airfield of Pleso (Zagreb) near 03-00 made an emergency landing F-117.

3 on April 1999, while attacking the “Bridge of Freedom” in Novi Sad on 19-45, a NATO plane was shot down. The car fell near the village. Stara Pazova. The pilot is captivated. At night, over the city of Banja Luka, many witnesses saw a fuming strong smoke of F-16.

4 April 1999, after midnight, near Užice, the JNA air defense system knocked out H / F-A-18. The plane dropped two full outboard fuel tanks (they exploded when they fell) and touched the wing behind the power lines. It is not known whether he fell.

5 April 1999 in the afternoon in the Pancevo area between the villages of Dolovo and Batansko-Novo-Selo an aircraft was shot down. Around midnight, in the area of ​​Frushki Hory, a NATO plane was shot down during the attack of the Crveni Kot TV tower. Claim that this is F-117A. The pilot ejected and landed near the village of Remete. Around midnight, while attacking the Zhezhel bridge in Novi Sad, the Tornado of the Luftwaffe was shot down, two pilots were captured.

6 April 1999 after midnight during the attack on the Petrovaradinsky bridge shot down the plane. The pilot ejected, landed at the plant "Victory" and was captured. After midnight, a plane was shot down over Pristina, it fell down at the mountain Cer, near Skopje. After midnight south of Fruski-Gora two NATO helicopters with a rescue team were shot down. After midnight, a plane was shot down near the village of Svinjare, near Kosovski Mitrovica. Before midnight, two search and rescue helicopters with 40 "commandos" on board were shot down at Skopska-Crna-Gora, no one escaped. At the same time, on the Yugoslav-Albanian border in Montenegro, a NATO search and rescue helicopter was shot down with 20 soldiers on board, including a rescued pilot. All died.

06.04.99 to 23: 30 district of Vozdovac, Belgrade. Air combat between Mig-21 and American F-15, American shot down.

7 April 1999, a NATO plane shot down over Pristina in the evening, fell in Macedonia. Before midnight, the American Hunter UAV was shot down over Pristina. Before midnight, near the n / n Lig (Lick) shot down the plane.

8 April 1999 after midnight, near the Nish, the "Tornado" of the Luftwaffe was shot down. Both pilots are captured. Before midnight, an aircraft was shot down near Kraljevo.

10 April 1999 in the Suva River area in 15-45 shot down an aircraft. Before midnight, a plane was shot down near Niš.

11 April 1999 in the area of ​​Bachka-Brestovac, near the Red Lake, in 00-12 was shot down by F-16. After midnight, near the village of Kolesia, near Tuzla, the plane fell.

12 April 1999 In front of the village of Osmanovichi, near Tuzla, in the 21: the British Sea Harrier dropped 00. The pilot died. The car hit over Zrenyanin, dropped the suspension, tanks, but still fell. Before midnight, the CL-289 UAV of Germany was shot down in Kosovo.

13 April 1999, after midnight, the plane was shot down at the Batainica airbase.

After midnight, a plane was shot down at Yabuk, north of Pancevo. At the same time, a plane crashed near Gorazde. The pilot died. At the same time, a plane crashed near the village of Kadian Chesma near Tuzla. At the same time, Bela Crkva, near Vrsac, shot down the plane.

14 April 1999, in the morning in Kosovo Polje was shot down by the CL-289 UAV of the German Army. In the afternoon, the damaged F-15 fell in the Yugoslav-Romanian border area. The car dropped two fuel tanks and went into Romanian territory. There is no information about her fate. In Syrig, north of Novi Sad, in 10: 00 shot down the plane. The pilot is captured. Next to Belgrade in 10: 05 shot down the plane.

15 April 1999 at the mountain Bielashnitsa, Bosnia, in 3: the plane fell. Near the Surf downed aircraft. In Podgorica, the Bofors anti-aircraft gun, commanded by Lieutenant Zdravko Bankovic, on 00: 19 was hit by a Tornado plane. The car fell into Lake Skadorskoye. Battery Bankovic in 30: 19 shot down the Mirage-35 of the French Air Force. The car fell in the mountains of Rumi. The pilot is captured. Near Podgorica, the gunner of the Strela-2000M MANPADS Predrag Jonich in 2: 19 shot down a NATO plane. The pilot ejected and was captured near the village of Cruz. Before midnight at the Petrovac airfield (Skopje), a NATO plane badly damaged by two MANPADS crashed while landing.

16 April 1999, south of Kosovo, the gunner of MANPADS Dragan Petrovich shot down A-10. The plane crashed in Macedonia at the Debelde border post.

17 April 1999 at Miloshev Dol near Priepol in 11: 00 may have been shot down by Sea Harrier. Urosevac in 16: 30 shot down the plane. The car fell in the depths of the Macedonian territory in 4 km from the village of Tanushevtsy. At the village of Cherevich, Fruska Gora, in 22: 10 was shot down by "Tornado". The car went into the airspace of Croatia, then fell.

18 April 1999 over Pristina in 2: The 00 is shot down by a UAV. Above Mount Povlen in 3: 00 shot down "Tornado". The plane crashed near Sarajevo near the Skelani n / n (Republika Srpska). In the Pristina area of ​​16: 00 exploded in the air F-16. Over Pristina in 16: a NATO plane exploded. Near Prishtina in 03: The 19 plane fell on Mount Chichavitsa. Before midnight at the airfield Raylovac crashed while landing a damaged MANPADS Danish F-00. At Tuzla at midnight, the American Predator UAV fell. Around the Yalovsky Kamen n / n near Tetovo in 16: 22 was shot down by a NATO plane.

19 April 1999. Before midnight, near the village of Yagunovtsy near Tetovo, the German CL-289 UAV was shot down. At Mount Veliki Yastrebats in 23: 00 shot down a NATO plane. Before midnight, in the Veliki Yastrebats area, a search and rescue helicopter with a rescue team was shot down. In the area of ​​Urosevac in 23: 15 shot down the plane.

20 April 1999 near the mountain Rudnik, near the village of Topola, in 2: 30 shot down the plane. At the mountain Rudnik, near the village of Chumich, in 3: an aircraft was shot down. Above Gorne Stanovice, near Vučitrn in 15: 19 is shot down by a UAV. Around midnight, two F-00 fuel tanks were found in the Biochika area, shot by shells.

21 April 1999. After midnight, a NATO plane was damaged at Fruschki Gora. Found his wreckage. Presumably, the plane went in the direction of Croatia, where it crashed.

22 April 1999 g. Around midnight near the village of Sonsha, near Apatin, shot down a US UAV. At n / p Kurshumliya in 18: 00 found the wreckage of the aircraft.

23 April 1999 near Pristina in 14: 00 damaged aircraft. The car went to Albania, where, most likely, collapsed. Near Orlan, 15 km north-west of Pristina, 15: 10 shot down a plane.

24 April 1999 near Prishtina, near the village of Bushine, a NATO plane crashed on 14: 45. Around midnight, a plane crashed near Pristina, near Lapple Village. Over Boka Kotorska shot down a UAV. Over the mountain Kukavitsa, near Leskovac, shot down the plane. The pilot is captured.

25 April 1999 was about midnight near Pristina, near the village of Lipovitsa, the plane crashed. The AN-64 Apache helicopter was shot down and captured by JNA forces in Kosovo. In the Novi Sad area, a low-flying aircraft damaged by air defense forces. The car was shrouded in smoke and went outside the Yugoslav territory.

26 April 1999 in 40 km northeast of Tirana in 22: The AN-00 helicopter fell off 64. Probably the crew survived. Most likely, the helicopter was killed during the attack at the Koshary border post.

27 April 1999 over Fruschka Gora in 1: a NATO plane was damaged by 45. He dropped bombs on the Croatian village of Executioner at Osijek. At the Petrovac airfield (Skopje) on 10: 57 a plane crashed. About Prokuplje in 17: 00 shot down a NATO plane. The pilot landed in the forest on Mount Pashacha, near Prokuplje. The wreckage of the aircraft was found in the area of ​​Mount Pasacha In 18: 00 found the wreckage of the aircraft near Prokuplje, near Berilje. Over the mountain Zlatibor shot down the plane. The pilot ejected.

28 April 1999 near Podgorica in 14: 00 shot down the plane, the pilot ejected. Around Berane in 14: 30 shot down a plane. Around midnight, a plane was shot down near the village of Norovo, near Krushevo, Macedonia. Two pilots ejected and landed in the forest on the tops of the trees. Rescued by NATO rescue group helicopters. In the afternoon, in the area of ​​the villages of Velika Sabatna and Gornja, the bee flying at a low altitude of NATO was damaged. The pilot dropped bombs and hanging tanks on the village of Crni Vrn.

29 April 1999, in the area of ​​the Macedonian-Albanian border near the city of Debar, a plane crashed. Around Vodno, near Skopje, in 11: the plane crashed. Not far from Zemun, according to eyewitnesses, about 00: 1 shot down two aircraft. In 40: 11 y Samokov, in 00 km south-east of Skopje, two charred corpses of pilots were found. In the Pancevo area of ​​40: 16, witnesses saw the fall of two NATO planes. The information was reported on the local TV "Studio-B". One pilot, presumably, catapulted. At the village of Bystritsa, near Veles (Macedonia), according to eyewitness accounts, a NATO plane, fuming, dropped two missiles and hid behind a mountain. Soon there was an explosion.

30 April 1999, the aircraft was shot down south of Niš. In the area of ​​the village of Gorska in 20 km south-west of Belgrade, in 23: 15, eyewitnesses saw parachutes.

1 in May 1999 over the Adriatic Sea, 40 km from the coast of the FRY, in 14: 15 shot down the plane. The pilot ejected.

2 May 1999 near the village of Nakuchani, southwest of Sabac, on 2: 05 shot down by an American F-16C. The pilot is selected by the search and rescue team. In the village of Nakuchani in 4: 00 two search and rescue helicopters with rescued pilots were shot down. Near the airfield, Petrovac made an emergency landing of an A-10. Many saw that the right wing and the engine of the aircraft were ripped up by a rocket blast. On the pylons hung rockets, creating panic among the population. The pilot was apparently injured. After 40 minutes the plane was towed to the hangar of Petrovac airfield.

3 in May 1999 in Novi Sad, during the attack of the telecentre, in 21: 45 a saomlet is damaged. Black smoke came from the fuselage. The plane fell in the immediate vicinity.

5 in May 1999 near Banja-Basta damaged a plane in 1: 30 crashed in Bosnia. In the morning in 75 km north-west of Tirana AN-64 was shot down. Pilot killed by artillery fire YUNA. NATO believes that AN-64 was hit by a MANPADS missile. Valenno in 12: 10 shot down the plane. The pilot ejected. The plane crashed into Lake Ohrid. NATO divers were looking for his wreckage.

6 May 1999 at midnight a UAV was shot down over the village of Presevo. Debris found in the area of ​​Bujanovac - Presevo.

7 May 1999 during the attack of Serb Irishka Venats in 14: the aircraft was damaged. The car, fuming, went to Sabatsu.

11 in May 1999 near the village of Gruzha, in 15 km southeast of Kragujevac, in 11: 40 an airplane crashed onto Gledička Mountain.

12 in May 1999 near the village of Vakshinche, near Kumanovo, witnesses saw one of the four planes suddenly fall while flying at low altitude.

13 in May 1999 in the vicinity of Nova Pazov in 4: one aircraft damaged 25. At the village of Klokot, near Vitn, in 12: The French CL-00 UAV was shot down by the 289. The case is described by the television of Serbia. At Mokra Gora, near the village of Istok, north-west of Pec, the American UAV of the Boeing company was shot down.

14 in May 1999 in the vicinity of Mount Rudnik, two NATO planes were hit by air defense forces. The pilots dropped the suspension tanks and went to Bosnia. In the area of ​​Djakovica, Yugoslav air defense A-10 was beaten by day The attack aircraft fell at the mountain Cer, not far from the Albanian border. Over Nish in 19: 00 air defense forces shot down a NATO plane. The pilot ejected and landed near the village of Brenice. The pilot is captivated. The incident was confirmed by witnesses and the police.

16 May 1999 was shot down by a CL-289 UAV over Kosovo. In the afternoon, near the village of Izvor, near Beles (Macedonia), a NATO plane was shot down. The pilot ejected and landed near the village of Chuka. The incident was confirmed by witnesses and the police.

17 May 1999 on the Pester Plateau shot down BP LA USA.

19 May 1999 near the village of Talinovtse in 17: 00 shot down an American UAV "Predator". Over Urosevavac near 19: 00 shot down a UAV. Fell into the city.

20 May 1999 near the village of Ojacha in 2: A NATO plane was shot down by 00. In 25 km south of Belgrade in 3: 00 (or in 1: 00), the Stealth bomber B-2A stealth bomber was shot down over Surchin (B-8A board number was assigned) anti-aircraft missile into the cockpit area and fell shortly thereafter. The crew (88 man) died. The incident is confirmed by many witnesses. Near 0329: 2 shot down two NATO aircraft, probably F-4, accompanying the bombers. At the village of Gradište, 3 km west of Niš, on 00: 15 was shot down by an aircraft, probably F-22. In 3: 35 shot down a NATO rescue helicopter with a rescue squad. Over the Slatina (Pristina) airfield in 16: 3 is shot down by a UAV. MiG-30 pilot Iliya Arizan shot down a NATO plane (possibly F-15) over Kosovo.

In total, by May 20 during the aggression against Yugoslavia, the NATO bloc lost 109 planes (shot down unconditionally), another 15 planes were shot down, probably 12 planes were damaged. 16 helicopters and 18 UAVs and 164 Tomahawk cruise missiles shot down (these episodes are not in this document).

Among those destroyed are one B-2 “Spirit” invisible plane, three or four F-117s (another one is damaged), 10 “Tornado”, eight F-16 (one more is damaged), five F-15 (another two damaged), three A-10 (another damaged), two Mirage-2000, five Harrier (Sea Harrier / AB-8B). From helicopters: two MH-53 "Stallion", one HH-60 "Pave Havk", three AH-64 "Apache" (another one is damaged).

Losses in personnel among pilots and rescue teams amounted to 313 people. Including 247 killed and 66 missing. To this must be added the 19 corpses of American servicemen, whom 8 of April secretly, through 424-th military hospital in Thessaloniki, sent home. The total number of dead and missing amounted to 20.05.99 g. 332 person. Captured 30 of NATO troops, including at least eight Germans, one Frenchman, one or two Englishmen. Among the downed - two Danish F-16, at least one Danish pilot was killed.

According to information received later, the following facts were established:

7 June 1999. Over Kosovo, a B-52.18 of April 1999 was shot down. A group of JNA airplanes struck a bombing attack on the Tuzla airfield (BiH), which resulted in the destruction of 17 aircraft and 3 rescue helicopters on the ground. NATO air defense forces shot down J-22 Ogao, which was involved in the raid (Colonel Mihailo V. was killed), and shot down MiG-21, piloted by Major M. Zelko, but the pilot was able to land the plane in 10 km from Ponikwe airbase. 26 April 1999. A group of four Yugoslav G-4 attack aircraft from the Golubovac airbase struck the Rinas airbase (Albania), as a result of which AN-12 helicopters were damaged and destroyed (64 destroyed, 3 was damaged). Air defense forces shot down 9 G-2, but the pilots managed to eject and escape. On the night of 4 on 11 on June 12, the American Combat Talon MS-1999 “Combat Talon” crashed during take-off under obscure circumstances with a group of British 130 SAS military personnel. All the special forces and crew members died. The plane was supposed to throw a group of SAS in Kosovo in order to perform sabotage tasks. In addition, it was found that among the downed NATO aircraft were the 40 F-5 and 4 Polish MiG-2 aircraft. The number of UAVs shot down amounted to 29 units, 30 cruise missiles. As a result of the fighting, Yugoslavia has lost 238 soldiers killed and missing. Including 576 man - JNA and 462 man - MIA. Lost 114 tanks, and 5 BMP and BTR. Air Force losses were in addition to the already named 8 MiG-4 MiG-29,1. The victims among the civilian population of Yugoslavia were more than two thousand people dead and seven thousand wounded.

Interestingly, how would the US population respond if such statistics were officially recognized?
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 8 June 2012 08: 31 New
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    What can I say well done. Eh, if Borka was hungry, he delivered Milosevic the S-300, but then there would have been much more losses among the shit-democratizers.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 8 June 2012 09: 13 New
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      The government of any country is reluctant to acknowledge its losses in hostilities and there are many ways to attribute direct combat to “accident” and “non-combat”, thus the victory looks more convincing and no one canceled the moral aspect of the troops. It is easier for soldiers to fight if they are told that the enemy is weak and toothless.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 8 June 2012 09: 40 New
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        And so it is, after all, the purest psychological aspect of the war, and no one will cancel it.
      2. Redpartyzan
        Redpartyzan 8 June 2012 10: 11 New
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        Very indicative figures, especially in anticipation of a major conflict in the Middle East region. No one needs to fear the invincibility of the Amer army — a myth and more.
        1. Ross
          Ross 8 June 2012 11: 21 New
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          Redpartyzan,
          Iranians and Syrians would have such combat training and perseverance, as the Serbs showed.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 8 June 2012 09: 46 New
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      It’s true, well done Yugoslavs. I read about the losses of NATO, my soul rejoiced. Yes, it’s a pity that Boryunia betrayed the Yugoslavs. But what did Yugoslavia drink to Russia calmly ... But we need to conclude that the enemy must have unacceptable losses in the Information War , and the data about them should be broadcast on the territory of the enemy. Remember how during the Great Patriotic War our radio broadcasted a record on the territory of Germany: “every 6 seconds a German soldier dies in Russia.” Do not forget about such an experience.
      1. Ross
        Ross 8 June 2012 11: 23 New
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        revnagan,
        Very sure! Plus huge. You need to remember how Tripoli was taken, information laid out.
    3. vadimus
      vadimus 8 June 2012 10: 23 New
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      This is not for unarmed women and children to bullet! They will beat and beat them!
      1. re321
        re321 8 June 2012 11: 26 New
        +1
        And what is the essence of the article?
        Are the sources of the Serbs themselves, the GRU and the ever-muddy Chinese taken as the basis? Why on earth? lol
        What are the real possibilities for these "most honest in the world" sources in 1999 to control the actions of the US Air Force? Maybe we’ll finish feeding ourselves tales already?
        Give statistics on the losses of the Russian Air Force in the Caucasus during the "neutralization" of just militants and compare with Serbia in 1999 and immediately everything will fall into place laughing
        By the way, what are the Chinese "air forces" capable of? ....
        1. skullcap
          skullcap 8 June 2012 12: 51 New
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          re321 Today, 11: 26
          And what is the essence of the article?
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          Trying to take virtual revenge for the real 2 World?
          1. Gym teacher
            Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 14 New
            -24
            Quote from the article:
            On May 20, 1999, at 2:00 a.m., a NATO plane was shot down near the village of Ojac. 25 km south of Belgrade at 3:00 (or 1:00), a Stealth B-2A bomber was shot down over Surchin (tail number AF-8 88-0329 “Spirit of Missury”), the B-2A was shot down anti-aircraft missile into the cockpit area and fell shortly afterwards. The crew (4 people) was killed. The incident is confirmed by many witnesses.

            Already one paragraph causes a laugh. Everyone still recalls the downed little F-117, they make films and write books about it - wreckage in museums, hundreds of witnesses, the Yugoslavs are still proud of their only victory ...

            And here - in a densely populated area such a monster crashed, four corpses - and silence, no reaction from the Yugoslav media, the military, “numerous witnesses” are silent laughing It’s not even funny, it’s already scary what people can believe
            1. ward
              ward 8 June 2012 19: 22 New
              0
              And what do you want ... a small country ... who fought the most ... over the past 300 years, they have lived very little peacefully ... here they have taught ... found silent ... lost silent ...
              1. Rider
                Rider 9 June 2012 20: 03 New
                -2
                Quote: ward
                a small country ... who fought the most ... for the last 300 years they have lived very little peacefully ... they have taught ... found it is silent ...


                Why weren't they silent when they found the small F-117?
            2. Michael 9999
              Michael 9999 9 June 2012 16: 59 New
              -2
              it is possible that the fragments of the stealth of our scientists were no longer of interest after Iraq, but the strategist V-2 is another matter, maybe the sand from the scene of the accident was not exactly what they wanted, they’re like an egghead bolt like children let me give otherwise it’s hysteria you don’t like me well and ours time tried to decide after a hangover fraternization 90s even ebn woke up remember (no one can criticize Putin for Chechnya, we have a vigorous loaf) I understand that the oil flooded uphill or maybe our industrialists decided but I won’t be surprised if they bought ours or maybe the Yankees well so that the image does not tear
            3. valokordin
              valokordin 10 June 2012 06: 50 New
              0
              it’s worth considering the comment of the physical education teacher, well, in general, maybe our media played into the hands of the NATO members, because Borya and his team, with the famous U-turn over the Atlantic, betrayed, as always, their allies and the Slav brothers
            4. Bersaglieri
              Bersaglieri 12 October 2017 21: 47 New
              0
              To begin with, the Spirit has a crew of two people. This is the first. And the second - not a single “Spirit” was included in the space of “air defense zones of Yugoslavia”. Here F-117-yes, the Serbs failed, and - perhaps even a couple. And about 15-20 other manned Pepelats.
        2. jo_lik
          jo_lik 8 June 2012 13: 52 New
          12
          In the sense - YOU F ... pooed a small state, for which at that moment there was no one to stand up for. And that’s why it was BEATED.
          Quote: re321
          Maybe we’ll finish feeding ourselves tales already?
          But this is correct.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 13: 44 New
            +5
            re321 don’t feed yourself with fairy tales, you can only bribe the top you can \ win / haven’t run up yet / don’t be dashing while quiet \
        3. ward
          ward 8 June 2012 19: 12 New
          0
          And YOU Kotya for whom ... for the Bolsheviks or for the whites ... or maybe you’re green .... You’ll either put on your underpants or take off your cross ... otherwise it’s not like that ...
        4. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 8 June 2012 19: 58 New
          +5
          I want to remind you a little - those who don’t want to know especially — the basis of the Chinese Air Force was laid by Soviet specialists, tactics and decent flight training, and the fact that their aircraft equipment has a small resource — with Chinese performance it’s not a problem to build several disposable aircraft
        5. mark021105
          mark021105 8 June 2012 20: 03 New
          12
          Quote: re321
          Are the sources of the Serbs themselves, the GRU and the ever-muddy Chinese taken as the basis?


          Do you think we should take the sources of NATO as a basis?
        6. Bronis
          Bronis 8 June 2012 20: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: re321
          By the way, what are the Chinese "air forces" capable of?

          I think you'll see soon ... it is not for nothing that the United States is transferring half of the carrier fleet to this region. And no need for skepticism. The Chinese are quick to learn and rearm. And if you compare the PLA Air Force and the Luftwaffe, the latter look already, to put it mildly, pale. In general, the capacity of the West European Air Force without the United States is very doubtful.
        7. Sandov
          Sandov 8 June 2012 23: 01 New
          10
          re321,
          Well done Serbs, if not for EBN, NATO’s horns would have been broken there. I hope that these tricks will no longer pass with the crusaders. Our complexes would destroy this western brotherhood.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 9 June 2012 09: 27 New
            +1
            Well done, you say, but they introduced sanctions against Belarus, which Kator supported during the bombing
            1. Alf
              Alf 12 June 2012 13: 27 New
              0
              Do not confuse the regime of a dead freak and the people.
        8. Evrepid
          Evrepid 9 June 2012 15: 42 New
          +3
          How strange are you reasoning? Are only those agencies that speak of your truth right? Something very muddy situation in your thoughts.

          Believe the Chinese, even though they are called the "paper" tiger, they are very capable of much! Yes, just the number of hoes that UAVs will shoot down :)
        9. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 9 June 2012 18: 40 New
          13
          Posted by Denzel13:
          Interestingly, how would the US population respond if such statistics were officially recognized?

          Thanks so much for the article. Answering a question, one can predict that the average American seeing this information on TV (since they read only the labels on beer) would come off for a couple of seconds from chewing a hamburger, trying to understand what they were rubbing in and realizing that it was something about the war that would hardly raised his swollen hand from overeating and switched the TV to another channel in a more interesting way.

          re321:
          What is the meaning of the article?

          I am surprised that your soul ... oh, excuse my body (you don’t have souls - only "body") are interested in questions of meaning. Read more of these articles and it may come to you that war is not only when you kill someone, but with a high probability this someone can kill you. War is bad. No matter how convinced you official Western propaganda is, that "war is good."
          Chew less hamburgers, from them nerve cells degenerate into fatty tissues and after a while you will only be concerned about issues related to your ass.
    4. Yazov
      Yazov 8 June 2012 16: 04 New
      11
      It is necessary to put the S-300 in Syria and do ,, Work on the mistakes ,,.
      1. 755962
        755962 8 June 2012 16: 38 New
        +7
        Yes, and with Iran to renegotiate the supply agreement of S-300, in the light of recent events.
        1. Gym teacher
          Gym teacher 8 June 2012 16: 59 New
          +1
          All speculations about NATO’s high casualties are broken up on a single fact, like a rock: NO FRAGMENTS

          A day after the fall of F-16 and F-117, their fragments of the Serbs showed the whole world. Even, not too lazy, found and dragged the wreckage of "Apache", crashed in the mountains in an inaccessible place

          And now, gossip is spreading about dozens of downed planes and hundreds of captured pilots ... guys, I do not mind ... show the wreckage and bodies of the pilots - and I bet the end. Otherwise, all your stories are bluffs and you make yourself fools of yourself repeat
          1. Gym teacher
            Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 18 New
            -12
            “Truth can be burned, but not refuted” / Gallilei /

            Cons do not solve anything, try to find counterarguments. There are still no debris
            1. rumpeljschtizhen
              rumpeljschtizhen 9 June 2012 02: 10 New
              -7
              I agree completely
              when the Serbs had the facts of the downed ones, they confirmed them. forever .. and the rest is the fantasy of boys and uncles who survived from reality ... (with crazy ideas, bend NATO, send troops into Syria, etc.) ... about high losses of NATO
              1. edge
                edge 9 June 2012 02: 53 New
                +3
                and you would have flung through the Balkans and looked personally yourself. Ato has grown an ass ............. and you are carrying nonsense.
            2. yanus
              yanus 9 June 2012 09: 34 New
              14
              And what if writing in red from this message looks smarter? fool
              1. El13
                El13 9 June 2012 22: 38 New
                +8
                And they have a red threat - an alarm-alarm - they reached a red heat, to see someone hit the point ...
            3. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui 15 June 2012 07: 59 New
              +1
              Fizruk - but the article clearly says that a shot down flying product does not always plummet over the point of impact and we must admit a very high probability of aircraft falling on adjacent territories and local waters ... I think that you will agree and due to this factor there will be no evidence . Well, the fact that one of the warring parties overestimates their victories by 3 times, and the opponent underestimates their losses by 3 times is a normal occurrence due to the existing stressful situation (why I won’t polemicize 3 times, but this is a proven psycho-fact).
              Well, if the imperious drunk would behave like a statesman ... then there would not be that disgrace called the drain of allies in spirit and blood, and everything else would not hang on the shoulders of my country.
              PS Your questions are real ... but one-sided.
          2. edge
            edge 9 June 2012 02: 50 New
            +3
            hear, but don’t torment in the mountains to carry scrap metal on yourself. you can see except for a spoon lifting anything harder ............ ito probably plastic.
          3. Ivan Kalinovich
            Ivan Kalinovich 10 June 2012 00: 16 New
            +8
            Gossip is you dissolve, the 5th point of the State Department !!!
          4. zardoz
            zardoz 12 June 2012 00: 47 New
            +3
            When a rocket hits a plane over the territory of Yugoslavia, it does not mean at all that the plane will fall on its territory. It is interesting and how the Yugoslavs show the wreckage that formed, for example in Macedonia, as a result of the fall of an aircraft?
        2. lotus04
          lotus04 8 June 2012 21: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: 755962
          Yes, and with Iran to renegotiate the supply agreement of S-300, in the light of recent events.


          Interesting? What was the reason for the refusal of supplies to Iran S-300. What was the promise of the pennies to Medvedev, that he refused supplies. Is it not WTO accession?
          1. serge348
            serge348 8 June 2012 23: 26 New
            +4
            Promised candy-WTO + rejection of missile defense.
          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 13: 55 New
            +1
            he has nothing to promise he, like his friend, the henchman amers, all their policies speak about this and the WTO needs to hold a WTO referendum death for RUSSIA
          3. Alf
            Alf 12 June 2012 13: 31 New
            0
            Rather, they threatened that they would bring down oil, as in the 80s.
          4. demon184
            demon184 21 January 2014 10: 50 New
            +1
            In the queue for iPhone 5s 1 put
    5. Aeneas
      Aeneas 8 June 2012 20: 54 New
      +1
      I saw the Old Yugoslavs did get the S-300, but only missiles in containers. They were illegally delivered as humanitarian supplies. The complexes themselves did not come, because they are too bulky for camouflage and blockade. But the south somehow tried to combine the missiles with the radio equipment they had (guidance and target designation of the radar of the old park). Essenes didn’t manage without Russian specialists, although it was emphasized that the yugas tried to oust themselves. Also, in this infe it was indicated that the Yugoslavs still could not use the S-300 missiles. But something seems to me that they did it!
    6. vezunchik
      vezunchik 10 June 2012 00: 30 New
      +1
      it was the Serbs who shot down with old missiles, and the FSB caught the Russian patriots ... despite this, they brought from 300 to Yugoslavia in parts, there were 2 or 3 objects
    7. serjio777
      serjio777 11 June 2012 00: 06 New
      +3
      Milosevic, it seems to me in many respects to blame himself, bought on the promise made by the amers on the quiet that he would not be personally touched after the war. Defense could be much more effective.
      1. Dock
        Dock 15 June 2012 07: 51 New
        +2
        Not one Milosevic, there were also Saddam, Gaddafi, Mubarak and others. Of a lower rank.
    8. maratenok
      maratenok 11 June 2012 16: 50 New
      0
      It’s a pity that they didn’t set with -300, it would be more fun
  2. dimarm74
    dimarm74 8 June 2012 08: 50 New
    19
    The truth is somewhere in the middle ..... as usual ..... Serbs overestimated, NATO understated .... everything is as usual in general .....
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 8 June 2012 09: 19 New
      +6
      +1
      I absolutely agree, like any war, do not forget about the coefficient. pi
    2. datur
      datur 8 June 2012 12: 13 New
      +5
      dimarm74I totally agree with you !!! by the way about the s-300, and yet the yugs themselves then abandoned them !! ours, so to speak, for their debts offered them s-300, but those proudly said that they only needed money type !!!!
    3. andrew.z
      andrew.z 8 June 2012 13: 59 New
      -9
      The truth is as usual somewhere. It is not clear why the Yugoslavs did not present at least captive pilots with a whole bunch? That would be a normal information blow. And so there was silence on TV.
      1. Gym teacher
        Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 01 New
        -15
        Quote: andrew.z
        It is not clear why the Yugoslavs did not present at least captive pilots with a whole bunch? That would be a normal information blow


        Because it's a bluff. The Yugoslavs were not even too lazy to drag the wreckage of the Apache from the inaccessible region of the mountains. Found and shown to the whole world. And here - the planes are fighting right above the cities - and not a single fragment / fragment of the pilot’s body
      2. edge
        edge 9 June 2012 02: 56 New
        +6
        of South Ossetia’s reserve ............ who spoke the truth, what kind of media.
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 01 New
          0
          the West praises its ours they say the TRUTH in quotes
  3. leon-iv
    leon-iv 8 June 2012 09: 04 New
    +6
    And links to sources?
    Ali write more that their basurman count.
  4. Dust
    Dust 8 June 2012 09: 12 New
    22
    The mention about the fact that if the locals beat with the improvised tool the shot down pilots who had just bombed them, it would be a war crime! Should I probably be taken to the nearest pub and offered a good lunch, coffee and cigars?
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 8 June 2012 09: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Dust
      The mention about the fact that if the locals hammer with the improvised tool the shot down pilots who had just bombed them, made laugh.

      There is an international convention and a soldier is captured, and not subject to lynching. Only saboteurs and spies are shot on the spot (I could be wrong).
      1. Dust
        Dust 8 June 2012 09: 29 New
        20
        Locals do not serve in the army, and therefore are not required to take prisoners ...
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 8 June 2012 09: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: Dust
          Locals do not serve in the army, and therefore are not required to take prisoners ...

          It is not local residents who decide, but the authorities. Why in each territorial formation (village, city, region) there are police, prosecutors, commandant's offices? If the government cannot deter citizens from lynching, then this may end in disrepair, as it is weak.
          1. Katran
            Katran 8 June 2012 16: 56 New
            +6
            So they were bombed by kakraz (commandant's offices and buildings with the Yugoslav authorities), so they themselves were to blame.
          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 15 New
            +6
            Aleksey67 after he killed my family, I must take him prisoner
            1. Alf
              Alf 12 June 2012 13: 41 New
              0
              I’ll just shoot him and throw him away so that I don’t stink.
        2. Sehiru san
          Sehiru san 8 June 2012 10: 47 New
          +1
          Precisely noticed!
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 06 New
          +4
          quite right amers nowhere and never captive not to take nonhumans directly to the wall
        4. Suhow
          Suhow 10 June 2017 15: 30 New
          0
          I wonder what should be the attitude of local residents to the downed NATO pilots, if after the bombing many relatives died for example ??? DON'T bring .... hands would choke.
      2. Dimon Lviv
        Dimon Lviv 8 June 2012 11: 51 New
        16
        And international conventions allow the bombing of civilians, their homes with them, civilian objects?

        So - one can always say that civilians, while killing the pilot, acted in a state of passion, being shocked by the death of their relatives, friends, acquaintances, fellow citizens killed by this pilot!
        1. smile
          smile 8 June 2012 19: 49 New
          +4
          Dimon Lviv
          The fact is that international law died immediately after birth. It was destroyed by his biggest champions - enlightened Europeans. Therefore, the corpse of international law is always on the side of the one who has more power. A good example is just aggression in Yugoslavia. And law without a coercive mechanism and apparatus is a set of wishes .... which can be used. as you wish.
      3. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 8 June 2012 13: 43 New
        +4
        As I understand it, the convention does not apply to this case .... after all, it was an operation to force the Serbs to make decisions for the profitable State Department, Croats and Muslims .....
        water them up to sort .......
      4. smile
        smile 8 June 2012 19: 40 New
        12
        Alenksay67
        This is one of the infrequent cases when you are mistaken - according to international law, no strangers, both combatants and non-combatants, must be shot. Extraordinary measures without a trial are permitted only in respect of their own population and military personnel .... non-combatants who destroyed enemy soldiers in these circumstances under international law can, in fact. to fall under common-law articles ... it’s not for nothing that honest fascists were terribly offended by our, from their European point of view, dishonest partisans .... In any case, the voicing of the facts of the destruction of NATO peaceful pilots by the militant population of Yugoslavia would have resulted in several more indicative processes the world's largest international tribunal and millions of compensation .. so that they were simply obliged to hush up such cases.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 8 June 2012 19: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: smile
          you are mistaken - according to international law, no strangers can be shot, both combatants and non-combatants.

          Vladimir, thank you very much for such a detailed explanation. good . Especially in this area is not strong because he made a reservation about a possible mistake drinks .
      5. edge
        edge 9 June 2012 02: 58 New
        +1
        this is in opposition to the army, and the civilian population does not fall under this jurisdiction
      6. Alf
        Alf 12 June 2012 13: 39 New
        0
        The war, de jure, was not declared and, accordingly, there are no prisoners of war and a foreign pilot shot down over Yugoslavia will be considered a mercenary or bandit, with consequences for him.
    2. Ross
      Ross 8 June 2012 11: 25 New
      +2
      Dust,
      Right! This is for America. Coffee with a cigar to the killers.
    3. Yazov
      Yazov 8 June 2012 16: 14 New
      +1
      Not only coffee and cigarettes, but also women to relieve stress! laughing
      1. Gym teacher
        Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 04 New
        -3
        The guys, even the F-117 pilot, shot down over the city center, could escape from the Yugoslavs (fact! Saved the pilot) - and here you are talking about some hundreds of captured pilots laughing
    4. ward
      ward 8 June 2012 19: 25 New
      +3
      Unfortunately, this is a fact ... for example, I was listed as war criminals for eleven years ... they always play only by their own rules ...
    5. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 02 New
      0
      the heads will be stroked
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 June 2012 09: 12 New
    11
    An indestructible technique does not exist! Especially American!
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 8 June 2012 16: 56 New
      0
      All speculations about NATO’s high casualties are broken up on a single fact, like a rock: NO FRAGMENTS

      A day after the fall of F-16 and F-117, their fragments of the Serbs showed the whole world. Even, not too lazy, found and dragged the wreckage of "Apache", crashed in the mountains in an inaccessible place

      And now, gossip is spreading about dozens of downed planes and hundreds of captured pilots ... guys, I do not mind ... show the wreckage and bodies of the pilots - and I bet the end. lol Otherwise, all your stories are bluffs and you make yourself fools of yourself laughing
  6. Dust
    Dust 8 June 2012 09: 23 New
    +4
    Eh, still to know how true this is and is it true? A list is read very well, if not with pleasure ...
    Damn, the first post is gone! How did that happen?
    I will have to repeat as much as possible ...
    It is interesting if the locals hammer in the hands of the tools of the downed pilots. just bombed them, it will be a war crime? Should I see them being taken to the nearest tavern and offer a good dinner, coffee and cigars?
  7. Stas57
    Stas57 8 June 2012 09: 24 New
    +4
    Among the destroyed - one aircraft - three or four F-117A (one more damaged)

    it's some kind of fantasy
    Well, in general, while there is only one, it is always showing, a piece of the wing of which I managed to tear off at one time (more precisely, such black and yellow linoleum)

    why the rest of 3 was invented - not clear
    In 2000, the Ministry of Defense of Yugoslavia adjusted its numbers and announced the destruction of only 31 aircraft (including one F-117), V. Ilyin. Air war in the Balkans.// Aircraft master. - 2001. - No. 1. - S. 6.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 8 June 2012 20: 18 New
      +6
      I agree that both parties inflated / underestimated losses in their favor. But the fact that the Serbs worthily opposed the technically more developed and numerous enemy, who had tactical superiority, is an indisputable fact.
      But Milosevic was sent to court not by NATO, but by her own traitors ... and this is an occasion to think ...
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 28 New
        +3
        And we have such traitors who roof drug trafficking, who opens NATO bases, who ditched the aviation industry / I would have hung it myself / no, they are fattening, moving from one chair to another, who are covering them to account who is voting
  8. Nickolay3145
    Nickolay3145 8 June 2012 09: 25 New
    +8
    Well, if you recall how the Americans screwed up in Grenada, then everything falls into place.
  9. Jeen
    Jeen 8 June 2012 09: 33 New
    -49
    SFRY was a typical empire, a prison of peoples. The same as the 3rd Reich, the USSR or modern Russia.
    It was destroyed quickly and almost bloodlessly, half a dozen nations got the opportunity to exercise their original right - they became masters on their land. And now, in a friendly crowd, they lined up for accession to the EU and NATO
    God bless the Balkans!
    God grant that the process goes on without blood
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 8 June 2012 10: 19 New
      +6
      um Muslims rarely get along well with Christians.
    2. datur
      datur 8 June 2012 12: 23 New
      13
      Jeen, became masters in their land-- especially Albanians !! gangster state under the protectorate of America !! led by a killer and a terrorist !!!! yeah yeah democracy is striding widely around the world at the tip of the bayonet of their marines !!! after such democratization, you still have the freedom to be killed by the right democrat - well, it's just a fairy tale !!!!
      1. Jeen
        Jeen 8 June 2012 12: 33 New
        -34
        It is secondary
        The main thing is that peoples are their own masters. And how they will manage their fate is their personal headache. The main thing is that no one will be able to drive them into the empire
        1. jo_lik
          jo_lik 8 June 2012 13: 53 New
          +2
          And where were they driven into the 90s ???
        2. ward
          ward 8 June 2012 19: 32 New
          +6
          The hopes of young men are nourished ... about nations ... it's not even funny ... a bunch of bandits decided to take power in a separate region and this is now called national self-determination ...
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 15: 17 New
            0
            quite right, but it could have been otherwise
        3. edge
          edge 9 June 2012 03: 03 New
          +1
          or EU is not a typical empire under construction, in which everyone else is driven with a club ............?
        4. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 15: 15 New
          +3
          jeen you don’t know the story, we had a referendum and the people said yes to the USSR, and the collapse, not without help from outside, began with the betrayal of the top of the KGB FSB and other thieves in power / the party’s gold / began to be exported long before the 90s and what Gorbachev lives up to
        5. valerei
          valerei 9 June 2012 22: 50 New
          +2
          No nation has become its own master, either as a result of evolution, or as a result, especially revolution. The people remained to live in the state, and the state is an instrument of governance and the restriction of its freedoms, up to the suppression of these. Therefore, the true owner is the head of this state. It has always been so, it will continue to be so, as long as states or even ordinary tribes exist. Jeen, well, take and read the relevant literature on states and empires. The latest example of American freedom is Libya.
        6. zardoz
          zardoz 12 June 2012 00: 58 New
          +3
          And what independence do you offer to Crimea? And in general, from Ukraine, three separate states to make? Is the US not a prison of nations? there are still reservations.
        7. demon184
          demon184 21 January 2014 11: 06 New
          0
          they won’t take you to the empire, you fuck them, they will wave the candy and when you surrender, they will have you in full, there are a lot of examples, but you don’t learn from the mistakes of others
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 59 New
        +4
        datur Kosovo has never been Albanian this is the Serbian land of Albanians sheltered as we are now Gaster and they sat on the neck as if it hadn’t happened so God forbid
    3. skullcap
      skullcap 8 June 2012 12: 56 New
      +5
      Jeen Today, 09: 33
      SFRY was a typical empire, a prison of peoples. Same as 3 Reich
      --------------------------------------------------
      ....... OR MODERN UKRAINE?
      1. Jeen
        Jeen 8 June 2012 17: 46 New
        -21
        Modern Ukraine is also an ugly phenomenon, but in a slightly different vein (albeit a micro empire too. Crimea should belong to the indigenous people - the Tatars).
        The ugliness of the modern state of Ukraine is due to a significant proportion of the population still living with brains that are folded together. Therefore, the communist bandits are in power.
        But the process of their extinction is irreversible, so I remain optimistic
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 8 June 2012 20: 30 New
          +4
          [quote] The ugliness of the modern state of Ukraine is due to a significant share of the population [/ quote
          Jeen, are you not afraid to write “a significant proportion of the population” into your enemies, or are you hoping for a hat that hides your face? Optimist, damn it.
        2. serge348
          serge348 8 June 2012 23: 38 New
          +4
          Legally, Crimea should already belong to Turkey. With independent brains, you have already lost the Snake Island shelf. Next in line is the Danube, etc.
        3. edge
          edge 9 June 2012 03: 05 New
          +3
          Well, the Tatars pinned to the Crimea, do not fix their natives write .....
        4. revnagan
          revnagan 9 June 2012 12: 42 New
          11
          Quote: Jeen
          Crimea should belong to the indigenous people - Tatars).

          Is it that there was a Principality of Tmutarakan before the Tatars in the Crimea, is it nothing? And the fact that Kerch, is the ancient Slavic Korchev, is it nothing? But is it that the Alans lived before the Tatars in the Crimea, is it nothing? ? Or the Greeks? Or the Genoese? And the Tatars are just occupiers. So? No, let them all live together, normal, respecting each other. And the question of the indigenous population in Crimea is raised by those who want to light a fire there, destabilize the situation, and then introduce “peacekeepers” from NATO and catch fish in the troubled waters of the conflict at the very borders of Russia. Figures.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 15: 41 New
            +2
            that's right +++++ 1000000
        5. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 15: 39 New
          +3
          shove your optimism to hell At the krain part of Russia Little Russia and we are all part of the same people and we will all be together anyway and our ancestors decided this 400 years ago so don’t go into other people's affairs we’ll better look at our states somehow kerdyk as Brother said inevitably
        6. REZMovec
          REZMovec 9 June 2012 20: 29 New
          +2
          Well, you and Ch_M_O !!!!
        7. ward
          ward 11 June 2012 09: 17 New
          0
          According to the latest census in Russia, 34 a drevlyanin ... this is a tribe that lived in the territory of the Moscow region ... You understand what you are knocking on ...
        8. ANTRAX
          ANTRAX 14 June 2012 18: 27 New
          0
          apparently optimistic and stay until extinct yourself.
        9. Suhow
          Suhow 10 June 2017 15: 41 New
          0
          is it now communal bandits in power ??? Maybe the Nazis are bandits ..a ?? and merchants like peci and k ??? who are still profiting from the impoverishment of the entire population of Ukraine and its possible collapse due to economic survival. (when a ship sinks, everyone is saved himself)
    4. andrew.z
      andrew.z 8 June 2012 14: 01 New
      +1
      This half-dozen nations are now free to choose who to lick their ass.
      1. Jeen
        Jeen 8 June 2012 17: 48 New
        -16
        The key word is to choose.
        And each with his own choice acts by virtue of his level of understanding and overall development. And, I understand why for you there are no alternatives to the "lick" position
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 9 June 2012 12: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Jeen
          The key word is to choose.

          But why does the Republic of Lakota choose everything, choose independence, and the federal government somehow does not hear it?
        2. REZMovec
          REZMovec 9 June 2012 20: 37 New
          +2
          Do you have an alternative?
    5. Rebus
      Rebus 8 June 2012 17: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Jeen
      SFRY was a typical empire, a prison of peoples

      "Friend" my only prison of peoples has always been the United States ..... During the existence of the United States, more than 50 Indians went into oblivion.
      And now the United States is a hotbed of abominations, such as: homosexuality, "democracy."
      1. Jeen
        Jeen 8 June 2012 17: 50 New
        -22
        It's horrible! This is archaic.
        I sob in the right pocket of my own shirt
        But only thanks to the United States about 20 peoples over the past 20 years have received the most valuable that any people can have - their homeland and their own destiny
        1. smile
          smile 8 June 2012 20: 28 New
          13
          Jeen
          Really. what garbage - well, 50 nations were destroyed, but 20 were saved! Especially when you consider the benefits of looting, everything is in order! The main thing is that your idols do not forget to fairly thin out the nations that they make happy. Judging by your logic, you are a true humanist, whose rank simply obliges you to be an adherent of napalm, defoliant and legalized, carefully regulated torture of suspects .... but what if they are not tortured, they will become accused? But how to bury them secretly, if they do not admit everything and everything - a truly legal state, secretly burying its enemies, must first confess them, and only then forgive sins and bury them. Is it true? Am I missing anything?
        2. Bronis
          Bronis 8 June 2012 20: 44 New
          +5
          The smaller the country, the less real sovereignty it has, the weaker it is. Accordingly, she doesn’t even have much choice for whom to “lick” - the one who is stronger ... depends on whom. Freedom is a relative thing, real freedom at their level does not exist, there is only independence from someone and dependence on someone. It is precisely this leash length that is commonly called "freedom." And in the case of the Balkans, this leash is not so long. War crimes were committed by militants to a much greater extent than by regular troops. Only they did not get to the tribunal and at the highest esteem of their "democratizers". In the tribunal - only Serbs. Here you have the leash length.
          1. andrew.z
            andrew.z 9 June 2012 11: 24 New
            -1
            Thank you so much, this is exactly what I had in mind in my comment, but because of my low development and common understanding I decided to formulate convexly :)
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 9 June 2012 12: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: Jeen
          But only thanks to the United States about 20 peoples over the past 20 years have received the most valuable that any people can have - their homeland and their own destiny

          I am touched. Indeed, the collapse of states, tens of thousands of civilians killed in Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Grenada., Etc. and so on. They had to ensure that the survivors in these countries received a homeland occupied by the oil industry, destroyed infrastructure and a hopeless destiny of their own. From emotion, I just blow bubbles. Wow !!!
        4. kush62
          kush62 9 June 2012 19: 33 New
          +1
          Americans got bobos, that's for sure! In Libya alone, so many independent tribes became, well, free oil flowed to us!
        5. REZMovec
          REZMovec 9 June 2012 20: 49 New
          +1
          Take off your hat, wipe the zenki ... And go to your beloved Yankees - African-Americans and Latinos are already preparing their own .... stick in your "right" gourd.
          Yes, decent forum users will forgive me.
        6. Alexey Pototsky
          Alexey Pototsky 9 June 2012 21: 54 New
          0
          And what kind of ngarad do you mean? Is it not American Indians, not Vietnamese, not Cubans ??? Or probably drug dealers of Albanians and fascist Jews with the promised land? angry
      2. kush62
        kush62 9 June 2012 19: 32 New
        +2
        Rebus
        During the existence of the United States, more than 50 Indians went into oblivion.

        But they remember them. Tomahawk missiles, Apache helicopters, Chiroki cars, etc.
    6. smile
      smile 8 June 2012 20: 08 New
      15
      Jeen
      You forgot to add the phrase Don Tameo - Oh, how freely you breathe in the revived Arcanar! .... It is clear that the Yugoslav empire is figovaya, like ours ... is also not better ... where are we, sirim. to the most democratic regime in the history of mankind ... we even didn’t even carry out one overwhelming genocide ... even they didn’t even have such a goal ... suckers. in a word, even the Nazis did not reach such sophistication as the most democratic democrats. robbed half the planet. Stupid fascists stupidly wrote on a piece of paper. how much they need to kill for complete happiness .... The beauties of democracy do not write - they act, with no less efficiency. This is a sign of democracy - to strangle hundreds of thousands of people with chemical weapons, to use atomic weapons for non-military purposes, to burn cities together with residents ... so congratulations - your ideal, this is not a prison of peoples - this is their cemetery .... by the way, yours the deity, in the best traditions of the deity of the cannibalistic tribe, treats your fellow tribesmen no better than friendly Indians - so far, having previously robbed you can set him on enemies, and then. when the Moor does his job, you still have to go on your own to the scalp receiving station at 20 cents for one forelock .... Maybe you should go to atheists. and? It is up to you to decide which position to live in.
      Then take off. With pity.
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 9 June 2012 20: 45 New
        +1
        smile, just read. From the heart ++++++++++++++++++++++ good good
    7. Bronis
      Bronis 8 June 2012 20: 32 New
      +8
      Yeah, and the United States did it in the order of altruism and limitless philanthropy.
      And it’s not at all due to putting puppet governments there, military bases closer to the Russian Federation.
      Quote: Jeen
      God grant that the process goes on without blood

      Here I agree - Crimea has long wanted to go to Russia, it is possible to give the Tatars too, and their right to self-determination must be respected. Well, in order to completely say goodbye to the legacy of the “Prison of Nations”, in addition to Crimea, Ukraine will have to give: Galitchin and Volyn to Poland (taken in 1939), Bessarabia and Bukovina - Romania (taken in 1940), Transcarpathia (taken from Czechoslovakia ), well, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic also needs independence (there was such a formation, its evil Bolsheviks were included in Ukraine in 1918).
      And believe me, if such plans mature overseas (and this is quite possible as an element of creating problems on the borders of Russia), Ukraine will survive much less than Yugoslavia. I wonder if you like this alignment or not ...
    8. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 9 June 2012 14: 43 New
      +2
      jeen USSR was not a prison of peoples; it was like the USA a lever of violence against its people; the difference in the USSR was not private property and financial pyramids, but for dissent and in the USA they squeeze and knock there only we know little about it and about where our people are better for a long time answered where we are not, you probably are not Russian and there are still Uruses you can’t run away from yourself.
    9. REZMovec
      REZMovec 9 June 2012 20: 24 New
      +3
      Isn’t it time for you, Amer’s uproot, to get away from our Ukraine’s little one? !!
    10. Sanches
      Sanches 13 June 2012 08: 24 New
      0
      Jeen, Yugoslavia was a prosperous country, until the 90s it was considered the richest in the social block. What they did to Yugoslavia can be done with any country at any moment, as soon as they want, and it doesn’t matter whether there are many or few nations in it, NATO has enough bombs for everyone
    11. demon184
      demon184 21 January 2014 11: 03 New
      0
      it’s they who drive you into a Euro-prison, so that you release your territory as balts, Bulgarians, etc., and toilets for 0,50 euros per hour, scuffle from a super-man
  10. V-mir
    V-mir 8 June 2012 09: 35 New
    +9
    Even if the US population knew such information, nothing would have changed. Three houses collapsed in New York on September 11, and there are many facts, including in the American media, that the attack was planned within the US intelligence agencies or supranational organizations. So what? ...
    “We will survive it.” The country will become stronger. punish Muslim terrorists ...
    True Democratic sheep live with the hegemonic country of “true Democracy”! The US population has long been bent on the ground - it is proposed to instill other "non-democratic countries" into such feelings of freedom.
  11. Professor
    Professor 8 June 2012 09: 38 New
    +1
    Yugoslavia is a small country, and a crashed plane does not always fall down as a cam, it can sometimes cover a fairly considerable distance from the place of destruction

    But not invisible. Even during his life, he cannot boast of his aerodynamics, and even when shot down.


    However, the Yugoslavs nevertheless demonstrated the remnants of several NATO aircraft, and there was one "invisibility" among them.

    That's exactly one. Only one. Therefore, talk about downed stealthх at least not correct


    But it turned out that the Soviet radars in the arsenal of the Yugoslav army quite easily detect the "invisible".

    So easy that NATO only hit one confirmed plane.

    Yugoslavs proved that "invisibility" is only suitable for filming Hollywood blockbusters about the invincibility of American aviation.

    Ah, what a pity that the creators of PAK-FA did not read this author and spent on internal compartments and other "invisible" rubbish.

    At the same time, after the end of hostilities, Western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal.

    I'd like to read these "confessions", the author, do not discard the link? wink
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 8 June 2012 09: 43 New
      -4
      Yugoslavia is a small country, and a crashed plane does not always fall down as a cam, it can sometimes cover a fairly considerable distance from the place of destruction
      not to that extent, she’s small,


      from exactly one. Only one. Therefore, talk about downed stealth at least not correct

      would have stood in the aviation museum for a long time, and there’s only one.
      like NATO confirms that converges

      But it turned out that the Soviet radars in the arsenal of the Yugoslav army quite easily detect the "invisible".

      as I read from the Serbian press, they arranged a hunt for him, "well-wishers)" reported when he flew out of the base, caught him on "microwaves" (snag), etc.
      as a result, he was barely shot down, and this is because the NATO members were completely insolent, and did not even change the flight route.
      but again, it's only about one
      1. slas
        slas 8 June 2012 21: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: Stas57
        like NATO confirms that converges

        YES YES about us they say that we have bears walking in the streets playing balalaikas in quilted jackets and pouring vodka instead of water SO YES CONVERGES IF THEY APPROVE laughing
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 9 June 2012 08: 52 New
          +1
          Why build a clown from yourself?
          Do we have bears walking around Moscow? NOT.

          and there is a plane and NATO says they shot down.
      2. REZMovec
        REZMovec 9 June 2012 21: 05 New
        +1
        stas57 - you are our reader .... Do you own Serbian? Funny, you, our ...
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 8 June 2012 10: 42 New
      +4
      only one f-117 fell on the territory of serbia. the second made an emergency landing in croatia. the other two were allegedly f-117. so according to f117, the score should be 1 + 1 and the last two should be written in the 'nil' column.
      but on b-2 it’s interesting whether the Serbs shot him down or how. too many contradictions.

      I watched about how they hunted f-117 and such a version, moreover, either by discovery or by history: the Serbs used a kind of passive direction finding. To 'illuminate' the targets, they used radiation from base stations of mobile operators. After determining the approximate target area, the data was transmitted to the anti-aircraft gunners. Thus, they managed to minimize the time of active operation of the radars, reduce the reaction time for the pilot and increase the survivability of the battery.

      and about the f-117 aerodynamics, you may not be quite right: looking at the fuselage it seems that any damage should improve that very aerodynamics, here the second after the damage already flew to the zagreb.
      1. Professor
        Professor 8 June 2012 12: 43 New
        -7
        the other two were supposedly f-xnumx

        This is probably a typo. However, there is evidence of the destruction of only one stealth.

        and about the aerodynamics of f-117, you may not be quite right

        I'm right. His aerodynamics are terrible - without a computer in general, his flight is not possible.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 8 June 2012 12: 48 New
          -1
          This is probably a typo. However, there is evidence of the destruction of only one stealth.
          perhaps from MANPADS pulnuli with damage. HZ, we did not see all these aircraft in a row constantly.
        2. REZMovec
          REZMovec 9 June 2012 21: 13 New
          +1
          So for sure - flies like an iron. And this is the forefront of your favorite amers. It would be better to turn to your German MBB (Messerschmidt-Belkov-Blom) - I think the plane would be better. In spelling the name, I could have made a mistake))) Correct as it is true ...
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 8 June 2012 12: 47 New
        +2
        but on b-2 it’s interesting whether the Serbs shot him down or how. too many contradictions.
        umm sorry but how could he have brought him down?
        As for how they hunted for f-117, I looked and such a version, moreover, either by discovery or by history:
        Discovery is like carbon monoxide.
        It wasn’t necessary to be impudent, that’s all, otherwise they flew by day along the same route.
        1. Professor
          Professor 8 June 2012 12: 50 New
          -6
          It is well known about the same route, but why did you decide that in the afternoon?
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 8 June 2012 12: 57 New
            +1
            Dani Zlotan wrote about this. In my opinion, but I may be mistaken.
      3. Splin
        Splin 8 June 2012 19: 38 New
        +2
        The first Hawk was really shot down by the Circle according to the data of mobile radio towers, and the second one was tried to shoot down by weather towers (the Americans installed jammers for mobile phones), one missile missed and the other exploded nearby, damaging it a bit.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 8 June 2012 14: 02 New
      0
      Well, I also doubt about the downed 61 planes, the awl in the bag didn’t hide, and I didn’t show my nose if I lost almost three squadrons
    4. ICT
      ICT 8 June 2012 17: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      At the same time, after the end of hostilities, Western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal.
      I'd like to read these "confessions", the author, do not discard the link?


      Well, I don’t have data about recognition, but I’ll tell you my vision of this topic,

      after the conclusion of a “peace”, troops were withdrawn from Kosovo in almost full dress, (in Kosovo there was no like in Iraq a cemetery of wrecked tanks and other equipment, all airfields maintained their infrastructure in spite of the ten-hour raids)
    5. REZMovec
      REZMovec 9 June 2012 21: 03 New
      +1
      What else can a NATO taxpayer professor write?
      What is his ... is it?
      No! NATO is invincible !!!
      Where is it written that falls far from the site of the Stealth? There were no other aircraft?
  12. Hammer
    Hammer 8 June 2012 09: 48 New
    +8
    If Milosevic hadn’t been scared and didn’t surrender the country, would have held on for a couple more three months, then he wouldn’t have needed any S-300s ... NATO would have merged with such losses ... And if it came to a ground operation, then it is not known how else it would have turned ...
    Yeah, Yeltsin then pissed off Serbia. (((Actually, nothing special was needed. Supply of spare parts and modernized equipment for the equipment that the Yugoslavs and specialists had that could help them install and master this equipment.
    1. ward
      ward 8 June 2012 19: 35 New
      +2
      Alas, four days ... plus ...
  13. Eraser
    Eraser 8 June 2012 09: 56 New
    +2
    In fact, the photo is not the F-15, but the MiG-29. laughing
    1. Professor
      Professor 8 June 2012 09: 58 New
      -6
      Why such confidence?
      1. Eraser
        Eraser 8 June 2012 10: 26 New
        0
        Confidence, if only because there is a brake parachute between the engines. In the photo of the wreckage of the Mig-29 that fell in the territory of Bosnia, the F-15 was shot down. It was piloted by Slobodan Peritsch, who catapulted. Unfortunately, ironically, he died a couple of years ago in car accident.
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 8 June 2012 10: 29 New
          0
          Confidence, if only because there is a brake parachute between the engines. In the photo of the wreckage of the Mig-29 that fell in the territory of Bosnia, the F-15 was shot down. It was piloted by Slobodan Peritsch, who catapulted. Unfortunately, ironically, he died a couple of years ago in car accident.

          and the parachute embarrassed me
          Well, then google to help
          http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeX9651HHyaspmEWkHpcU4p5_Tqz2IVNyz0sBNR
          096t2tOUERKdBNfrpsvsA
        2. Professor
          Professor 8 June 2012 12: 45 New
          -6
          Thank you for your reply.
          The author of the article is a minus. wassat
          1. Eraser
            Eraser 8 June 2012 14: 57 New
            -3
            You're welcome. yes
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 8 June 2012 10: 19 New
      0
      oh come on this is Mig-29 9-12 series
    3. jo_lik
      jo_lik 8 June 2012 13: 55 New
      +3
      Well, when Greece was shown about the riots in Moscow, it didn’t surprise you. It seems that palm trees do not grow in Moscow, nevertheless.
      1. Eraser
        Eraser 8 June 2012 14: 56 New
        +3
        Uh, you're confusing me with someone, "Well, when Greece was shown about the riots in Moscow, it didn’t surprise you." I don’t remember writing anything like that. belay
    4. arutun
      arutun 9 June 2012 18: 12 New
      +2
      "+" I, as the article came out, noticed this, according to the characteristic arrangement of the engines and the tail unit of the airframe. this is MiG-29 infa 100%
  14. leon-iv
    leon-iv 8 June 2012 10: 01 New
    +9
    http://venec.ulstu.ru/lib/2000/4_Yampolskiy.pdf
    here is one of the most competent open reviews

    Here by the way, an indicator that Serbs are men with eggs, unlike Arabs

    The airport of Tuzla (Bosnia) from the very beginning of the operation against Yugoslavia was considered a reserve for damaged NATO aircraft. In April, the first NATO aircraft landed there, which received damage from anti-aircraft gunners of Serbia. By mid-April 1999, there were already 12 cars with injuries of varying degrees and 4 rescue helicopters. Also - a couple of transport aircraft (that the staff brought).
    6 J22 (Yugoslav attack aircraft), 2 MiG-21s and 1 Galeb G4 (also a Yugoslav craft) took part in the raid on this airfield. The place of basing is the airfield of Ponikwe (then NATO bombed it).

    The raid lasted 15 minutes. Since the planes were going to the PMV, AWAC were only tracked 6 miles from the airfield. The first attack was launched by Major Gavrilovich’s board on J22, then three more J22 - they bombed the runways and planes)), 2 J22 and MiG attacked the NATO fighter trying to rise. The Serbs also had losses - one of the MiG-21s (Major Zheliko from Novi Sad) was hit by an air defense missile system - the plane made an emergency landing a few kilometers from the Ponikwe airfield, one J22 was shot down by an air defense system on the way back - a colonel from Kragujevac was killed.
    Initially, NATO losses were estimated at 21 aircraft and 3 rescue aircraft, however, then they fell to 17 aircraft and 3 aircraft.
    Since April 18, 1999, the Tuzla airfield has ceased to function. By the way, Tuzla’s NATO victories are fixed

    The attack of the Tirana airport, where there were 12 Apache verts, which were supposed to cover the advance of the Atlantic brigade (6 thousand Albanian soldiers, usually from the diaspora with American officers) through the Kozar and Gorozub passes from Albania to Kosovo.
    As early as April 13, 1999, 4 Serbian attack aircraft attacked the brigade camp near Kamenice (Northern Albania). Repeated the raid on May 5
    The attack of Tirana airport was attended by 4 G-4 in two pairs (airfields Ponikve, Golobovtsy - Montenegro). Moreover, the second pair did not find the target and returned to the base with cargo. It is believed that 5 Apache verts were destroyed in the attack. Yugoslavs had no losses. Serbs believe that this attack did not allow the use of NATO vertas.
    1. Professor
      Professor 8 June 2012 10: 03 New
      -9
      Many thanks for the link. good
      According to the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, the NATO losses were: 23 combat aircraft, 4 helicopter, 11 UAV and 44 KR.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 8 June 2012 10: 18 New
        +7
        Unfortunately there is no more accurate data.
        I think that these data for airplanes need to be multiplied by 0,7, and for UAV and KR multiplied by 1,6-1,9 times.
        And the fact that NATO is very seriously foiling losses is a fact.
        1. Sehiru san
          Sehiru san 8 June 2012 10: 52 New
          +5
          This is clearly visible now in Afghanistan. They underestimate their losses by almost 3 times.
  15. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 8 June 2012 10: 03 New
    +3
    At first, in the Chechen campaign, the number of militant losses was several times higher than the population of the republic. There was such a thing with us.
    1. Felix200970
      Felix200970 8 June 2012 21: 08 New
      +2
      Well, reporting the enemy’s losses and declaring their own losses is a classic of the genre. The main thing is to correctly apply the correction factors yes
  16. Stas57
    Stas57 8 June 2012 10: 12 New
    +2
    as I understand it, this is the last one to break away from NATO more or less successfully?
    well, so that the country remains more or less intact, the occupiers do not spoil, the army, administration, police are preserved, the territories are certainly lost, but not like Libya or Iraq, in full ...

    nothing, that's all 15 years will pass from the war, and they will enter the European Union ...
    1. ZUI
      ZUI 8 June 2012 10: 36 New
      +4
      I would not say:
      Yugoslavia finally collapsed, they formed their own little Chechnya - Kosovo with a foreign contingent. The main industrial enterprises were destroyed (pharmaceuticals, transport engineering, automotive). In fact, the economy was destroyed
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 8 June 2012 10: 43 New
        -3
        Yes, not ideal, but it's about 1999, when Yugi was gone.
        Moreover, Serbia was left almost alone.
        Yugoslavia finally collapsed, they formed their own little Chechnya - Kosovo with a foreign contingent

        rather Georgia, Kosovo’s accession to Serbia is only in the minds of Serbs


        The main industrial enterprises were destroyed (pharmaceuticals, transport engineering, automotive). In fact, the economy was destroyed

        it’s the consequences of the collapse of the country, and not because NATO bombarded Beograd.
        nobody bombed us, the result is the same
        1. Gym teacher
          Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 48 New
          -12
          Memo of the Russian soldier laughing
    2. ward
      ward 8 June 2012 19: 39 New
      +2
      look at the results of the last elections ... yes .. for some reason they don’t really want to go there ...
  17. Shumer
    Shumer 8 June 2012 10: 29 New
    18
    "With these" stealth "the Americans generally went completely embarrassed." wassat
  18. Sehiru san
    Sehiru san 8 June 2012 10: 51 New
    +3
    Russian air defense has information about 6 downed stealth. 2 of them were shot down by airplanes. The rest are old 75 mi complexes.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 8 June 2012 11: 13 New
      -1
      Do not smash her nonsense.
      And answer 1 question of how the S-75 could shoot when it wasn’t part of the FRY air defense, their EMIPs were written off in 92.
      There were S-125
      How a firing station can hold an F-117. And when the goblin was shot down, they were pointing along the heat trail. After this error, Omerikachechi did not step on this rake.
      1. Sehiru san
        Sehiru san 8 June 2012 11: 52 New
        +6
        Are you the cutest thing about air defense? Maybe we don’t have them? Have you heard about the modifications? For example, about the S-75M3? (in service since 1975) and about the S-75M4 (since 1978)
        And what about the shooting modes in radio silence mode? (in the conditions of use of anti-radar missiles)
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 8 June 2012 12: 36 New
          +2
          I have a little.
          Let’s talk then about the possibility of the CHP-75M4 for selection in the presence of interference + constant hits PRR
          And what about the shooting modes in radio silence mode?
          And who gave TSU on the tracks?
          In passive mode, it could be induced (but not shoot) only to the optical channel, which was just the same introduced on the M4

          So in what units in the FRY were the S-75?
          PS And what missiles of the series 20 had AGSN?
          1. Sehiru san
            Sehiru san 10 June 2012 23: 26 New
            +1
            According to reports, about 3 divisions remained. And the shooting was carried out just using a tele-optical sight. Who gave the target designation is unknown to me.
    2. scrack
      scrack 8 June 2012 14: 57 New
      +2
      Or maybe 125?
      1. Sehiru san
        Sehiru san 10 June 2012 23: 29 New
        +1
        They naturally worked too. I called up a retired Air Defense Colonel. (to our) Says at that time they were shocked that the “old ladies” had worked (there were about 3 divisions left) But 125 also contributed.
  19. Vanek
    Vanek 8 June 2012 10: 55 New
    +1
    Beautifully he is there (pictured).
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 8 June 2012 14: 06 New
      -1
      MiG - 29 Yugoslav army.
      1. Gym teacher
        Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Volkhov
        Beautifully he is there (pictured).


        But Vanka has the title of "Colonel General." These are cardboard expert generals on our forum! laughing
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 8 June 2012 23: 23 New
          +3
          This photo has been known since the nineties, I don’t remember the name of the pilot, but the point is that it took off to intercept, spun to fuel, catapulted and the plane fell flat, there was no explosion and big fire, because tanks are empty, rockets are fired. only the grass burned with residues.
          Yugoslavs flew single planes towards groups of up to 20 cars, and Avax saw take-off, so that afterburner, low altitude, oncoming launch and a little maneuvering.
  20. Dr. Pilyulkin
    Dr. Pilyulkin 8 June 2012 11: 07 New
    +6
    It is strange to believe that the States are underestimating their losses so as not to injure their pride. I believe that the Americans are doing everything right. They are not going to finish making messes around the world. Therefore, morale must be kept in check in the army and society. Nobody forgot the anti-war actions of the times of the Vietnam War. Imagine what would happen if these data in the countries of the NATO block were not hushed up?
    The teachings of Dr. Goebels were not in vain. There are worthy students. We need to learn how to wage information wars.
  21. Stas57
    Stas57 8 June 2012 11: 12 New
    +3
    it’s the normal policy of any army at all times around the world to underestimate and increase the losses of the enemy,
    but for some reason this is surprising to many.
    1. jo_lik
      jo_lik 8 June 2012 14: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Stas57
      this is surprising to many.

      When measured by pi ... mi - it is the "FACTS" that sound. And suddenly “FACTS” is not on their side.
  22. mib1982
    mib1982 8 June 2012 14: 02 New
    +3
    Very interesting article, thanks for the info.
  23. scrack
    scrack 8 June 2012 15: 00 New
    0
    Interestingly, invisible and B-52s shot down Iraq and Afghanistan?
    1. Denzel13
      8 June 2012 15: 08 New
      +1
      In Iraq, yes for sure
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 8 June 2012 15: 34 New
        -6
        Can you link?
        1. Denzel13
          8 June 2012 18: 38 New
          0
          Read the article, just finished. And this is only the Desert Storm period
      2. Stas57
        Stas57 8 June 2012 15: 42 New
        0
        Denzel13,
        model?
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          Nu daaaa ... 8 June 2012 17: 39 New
          -9
          No, about the fact that in Iraq and Afghanistan they shot down the invisibles and the B-52.
          1. Kars
            Kars 8 June 2012 17: 48 New
            +6
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            B-52.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
            welcome ---- only of course, according to the American version, he inflicted damage to himself from the tail firing point of self-defense.
            Really lovely?
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              Nu daaaa ... 9 June 2012 01: 12 New
              -6
              During Operation Desert Storm, B-52G bombers completed 1624 sorties and dropped 25 tons of bombs. 700 airplanes took part in the raids. And while they lost only one plane, not bad. At the same time, they didn’t bring down, but damaged it — the car did not reach the atoll Diego Garcia a little. The search and rescue Sea King found a splashed Boeing 64 km from the atoll; they found four crew members of the Fortress, three of them were alive. And about the invisibility?
            2. Stas57
              Stas57 9 June 2012 08: 56 New
              -2
              Quote: Kars
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
              welcome ---- only of course, according to the American version, he inflicted damage to himself from the tail firing point of self-defense.
              Really lovely?

              and what is lovely? someone said that he was shot down?
              or are we now going to blame all the accidents on the Iraqi army?
              1. Kars
                Kars 9 June 2012 20: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: Stas57
                and what is lovely?

                learn to understand irony. and develop a sense of humor - it helps in life.

                But no, you, as we can, do not believe in accidents in the US Air Force.
                Especially, even in my thoughts, I can’t even suggest a hint that in the Yugoslav operation Apache helicopters were attacked by the Yugoslavs, the most modern, sophisticated helicopter with full forcemeat simply hooked the power line and crashed. Twice.
  24. Vadzja
    Vadzja 8 June 2012 16: 36 New
    +1
    You need to learn from the mistakes of others. To author + per article
  25. Katran
    Katran 8 June 2012 16: 41 New
    +4
    Yugoslavia is not a state there, let's not forget that it is almost the only European state that could successfully confront Hitler in World War II, if not for the civil war and the betrayal of Russia, the entire NATO bloc would still lead unsuccessful bloody battles in the Balkans. And as for the objectivity of the information, it is true somewhere in the middle, but if at least half of the list of fighting losses is true, then you can say so not so terrible as he painted himself, well, if the B-2 Serbs shot down I can only sympathize with the US taxpayers The price of this bird is up to 2 billion US dollars. For comparison, the defense budget of Ayberbaizhan, the militarization of which has recently been devoted so much to articles on many sites, totals only $ 2011 billion in 3, so you could buy just half a ton of B-2 for all this heap of money.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 8 June 2012 16: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Katran
      let's not forget that this is almost the only European state that was able to successfully confront Hitler in World War II,


      stop, stop, the country was occupied by the Germans and liberated by the Soviet troops together with the partisans, what kind of success is it when part of your country is supported / and vice versa by the fascists (Croatia), part of the Britons (Chetniks), part of the councils (tito), and the country is in severe occupation.
      partisan yes, very, very strong, but was able to successfully resist-too menacingly said how not to twist not PMV.


      PS, by the way, there are many consider WWII type of our civilian, and it is a little forgotten, unlike PMV (mirror like ours)
      I personally saw a lot of abandoned monuments to those killed in WWII
      1. Katran
        Katran 8 June 2012 17: 07 New
        +5
        The People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia was the fourth largest in number from the armies of the anti-Hitler coalition (after the armies of the USSR, USA and Great Britain). Until 1944, it, in fact, single-handedly held the “second front” in Europe, at various times fettering from 12 to 15 German divisions, not counting Italian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Croatian units and armed nationalist groups
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 8 June 2012 17: 57 New
          +3
          Until the 1944 of the year, she, in fact, single-handedly held the “second front” in Europe, at various times fettering from German 12 to 15 divisions,[source not specified 714 days], repeat

          You can look at the number of AK in 42-43- 380 thousand (NOAU-236 thousand)
          or Romanian in 45m (although more likely less than 800tys NOUA)
          your phrase, IMHO is not built correctly, which does not cancel the heroism of the peoples of Yugoslavia in WWII.
          Well, let’s leave this argument of numbers, I admit that I am wrong)))
  26. Gym teacher
    Gym teacher 8 June 2012 17: 39 New
    -12
    I neighing. The article describes dozens of downed NATO aircraft, but the author didn’t have at least a few illustrations - I had to put a photo of the downed MiG-29 ... and what to do ... there are no fragments of American planes or pilot bodies ... there is only a bluff laughing
    1. Katran
      Katran 8 June 2012 17: 51 New
      0
      So it’s sad if the invaders weren’t given a worthy rebuff, then you need to grieve and not laugh
      1. Gym teacher
        Gym teacher 8 June 2012 18: 05 New
        -10
        If at the same time people remained human beings, and in Yugoslavia a 10-year civil war ended, then nothing bad happened.

        And attempts to manipulate facts and fantasies, as the valiant Yugoslavs shot down F-117 stealth in packs, cause only laughter and aversion to Kremlin propaganda
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 8 June 2012 18: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Fizruk
          and in Yugoslavia, a 10-year civil war ended,

          The war ended and the tension remained, I think that this is not the last conflict in the territory of the former Yugoslavia.
          * March 19, 2003 - at least 18 F-117A (40% of the total number of those in service), according to Ukrainian researcher Konstantin Kolontayev, were lost during a raid on Baghdad.

          The US Air Force intended to operate the F-117 at least until 2018, but the lack of money for the purchase of new multi-purpose F-22 fighters forced them to begin the process of removing the Night Hawk from service much earlier. This was officially announced in the fall of 2006. In the same year, the F-117 pilot training school was closed; its last graduation took place on October 13
          The rejection of the F-117 is somewhat surprising, and the motivation makes me doubt it.
        2. smile
          smile 8 June 2012 21: 01 New
          +8
          Gym teacher
          I think so. that tens of thousands of civilian Serbs killed by Albanians, partly sent to organs by Albanian humanist democrats, is normal for you? Nothing bad happened? In principle, I understand - this is the normal logic of the cannibal and an effective manager with the most democratic identities on the planet ... but are you like with a different flag? Or are you in poor health? Well then. Of course, I understand you - write a letter to Democrat and humanist Hashim Thaci and he will send you an extra Serbian kidney in a blue helicopter ... or the lungs ... or the heart. Just hurry up - there are fewer Serbs in Kosovo, but the need for organs remains - you may not be in time! I wish you good health!
        3. REZMovec
          REZMovec 9 June 2012 21: 58 New
          0
          Fizruk - tomorrow you Lubyanka. Call ....
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 8 June 2012 18: 08 New
        +3
        Serbia has already done everything it could.
        and NATO did not decide on a ground operation.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 8 June 2012 18: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: leon-iv
          and NATO did not decide on a ground operation.

          U.S. analysts worked well and realized that a ground operation against well-trained and experienced Serbian soldiers could lead to unpredictable consequences and large losses to U.S. personnel (which they most fear), so they used the experience of the Second World War.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 8 June 2012 18: 07 New
      +3
      I want to surprise you, but not every hit is a fall.
      Omerikanechey good planes do, therefore, many reached out to their airfields and there were a pile. Which then can be written off as an expired resource.
    3. Katran
      Katran 8 June 2012 18: 59 New
      +4
      So the State Department’s propaganda doesn’t make you sick, it’s only the Kremlin’s propaganda, it’s time, secondly, there’s nothing there until now every month some unrest in Kosovo, and it’s still unknown what the humiliation of the Serbian people will result in for Europeans, and thirdly, the occupier should not impunity, impunity affects the next crime, Hitler also began with a small.
  27. yurasumy
    yurasumy 8 June 2012 18: 11 New
    +8
    I have always been interested in the fact of the surprisingly fast write-off of US fighters. Especially recently. A few hundred or two a year. With a composition of 1700-1800 fighters, it’s a bit much. And everything is beautiful with them. Abbreviation. We have developed a resource. And in combat formation, even on paper, about 1700-1800 pcs. And if the actual combat readiness is at the level of 60-70 percent, then in general the picture for the US Air Force is grim. I am driven into a stupor by statements about an unscheduled reduction of fighters from 60 squadrons to 53 units. Just in Akurat 10 personnel. But what about the cancellation of the allegedly exhausted aircraft every year. They need to be added or not. If not, then what kind of unscheduled reduction is this, if the planned write-off of the "worked out resource" is about the same. And if you add (which is unlikely), then the picture is not decent at all. If you believe the statistics of aircraft in the ranks, then without any wars after 10 years from the US Air Force, there will be almost nothing left. They have nothing to change for now. And the raw aircraft in the series, as shown by the experience of the F-117, is very fraught. Although one more thing strikes me. The United States writes about the Super Hornet and the F-16, which is supposedly always ready for production. But now the situation is clear lack of aircraft in fighter aircraft. Their generals trumpet this. So run the line. At least in exchange for having worked out a resource. A hundred a year. The conveyor is adjusted. Pull it all the way to F-35. So no. All some kind of unsubscribe. Like wait a little longer. Maybe the F-35 will take off. But everything seems easier to me. They can’t produce anything anymore. And the massive write-off of technology is the concealment of losses. And if the F-35 flies, then the pipe will dominate them in the air in the near future. In principle, a downed aircraft, he seemed to also have worked out a resource. Maybe they don’t lie.
    1. Eraser
      Eraser 8 June 2012 18: 55 New
      -13
      That yes, compare their Air Force plus Navy with any other country and cry from the poor Americans. repeat I don’t know what you think the f-117 experience showed, all the planes would have such statistics. wink And f-35 still flies, already 35 planes, here is a tablet on the ratio of plaque to plan. And what is there "having no analogues in the world" is infa? Or, as usual - "everything is fine marquise" am
    2. ward
      ward 8 June 2012 19: 46 New
      +3
      Yura Do not worry ... I gave a link to the site of the American Association of Undertakers ... they have a detailed military loss ... so the next day the site went away ... the information war however .. plus ...
  28. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 8 June 2012 18: 19 New
    0
    And the coin has a second side. The losing side is interested in the evidence of the enemy’s large losses, because the winner of the war does not care about the losses. bully
  29. sedoii
    sedoii 8 June 2012 18: 26 New
    +1
    To the author (article) plus, the analysis is convincing.
  30. an-sar
    an-sar 8 June 2012 20: 01 New
    +1
    This should be discussed and shown as much as possible !!!
  31. LOMiK
    LOMiK 8 June 2012 20: 03 New
    +3
    Yes, who would doubt it! We in Kagan had losses, the USA in Vietnam was crap. Who cares about American culture? There is nothing to brag about except kina! I am not a fan of medveput, but for me a good American, this is an American working in my country house!
  32. Denis Kozlov
    Denis Kozlov 8 June 2012 20: 36 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, this is all an information war. I remember how much noise the Stealth shot down, so if they shot down as many planes as indicated here, believe me, the sewing in the bag cannot be hidden.
  33. Russian sniper
    Russian sniper 8 June 2012 21: 41 New
    +3
    In general, MiGs of the Soviet assembly and the air defense forces of Yugoslavia worked there well laughing
  34. Vyalik
    Vyalik 8 June 2012 22: 16 New
    +2
    That's why the amers were afraid of the ground operation in Yugoslavia. There would have been too much losses. And they are cowards.
  35. Uncle
    Uncle 8 June 2012 22: 37 New
    -4
    As it turned out that the plane is Mig, and not F117, you stop believing the little article at all. Maybe we all can pee this, take a picture of the downed Messer and write that the Georgian drone was shot down.
    1. Kars
      Kars 8 June 2012 22: 48 New
      +6
      Quote: Uncle
      not F117
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 9 June 2012 09: 00 New
        0
        he is referring to the photo in the article where the Serbian MIG lies, and it tells that the F117 is full.
        1. Denzel13
          9 June 2012 10: 05 New
          +1
          And how does the image in the photo relate to the text? Or were all NATO planes shot down in equal rows there? The main idea of ​​the article is far from being in the photo.
          By the way, read the article "Losses of aircraft technology of the Multinational Force and Iraq during the 1991 war." Unfortunately, it did not fit in one material, so today its completion. There I approached the information used in a completely different way, in order to avoid misunderstanding. Believe western sources? Get the entire article based on them and the data of the Pentagon itself. Look at the ratio of losses, draw a conclusion and correlate this with the data in this article. An interesting analogy will turn out, despite the fact that no one denies that the Yugoslavs were better trained as specialists and the eggs are stronger than the Arabs.
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 9 June 2012 10: 40 New
            0
            And how does the image in the photo relate to the text?

            it’s you who is the author, so answer but readers ’questions, what does the Serbian MIG do in the photo, while you are poisoning 3 f117 stories

            The main idea of ​​the article is far from being in the photo.
            this is one of the insoluble parts of the article, if there was an ass, would you also say, do not pay attention?
            more thoroughly necessary.

            By the way, read the article "Losses of aircraft of the Multinational Force and Iraq during the 1991 war of the year." Unfortunately, it did not fit in one material, so today its completion. There I approached the information used in a completely different way, in order to avoid misunderstandings.
            OK, we will see.

            Believe western sources? Believe western sources? Get, the whole article on their basis and the data of the Pentagon itself
            my friend, I know that there was not only an air war but also an information war, you eat either her or an unknown insider (such as the GRU or the Pentagon), but do you want objective data ?!
            Until there are acts of cancellation of the aircraft (and there will not be 50 years), the statements of the Pentagon, or its opponents (South, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) do not have a sufficient criterion of truth, Everyone can lie! only some we love and believe, while others do not and do not believe ...
            for the same Ф117- there is confirmation of the rub-there is the fact of the presence of a "corpse" of the plane, and everything else is still at the level of fantasies, not facts
            1. Denzel13
              9 June 2012 13: 20 New
              +1
              And then I, an unwise person, learned to read from childhood, but I just needed to consider just pictures.

              The article on Iraq even lists the serial numbers of the aircraft, which NATO itself recognized as officially lost. Or is it NATO "fantasizing" losses to itself? Logically, no doubt.
              1. Stas57
                Stas57 9 June 2012 14: 03 New
                0
                where does the article about Iraq, talk about your specific school here
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 10 June 2012 00: 32 New
      +1
      yes ... how can you hate your homeland ...
  36. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 9 June 2012 02: 19 New
    -10
    fantasies of our Patriots sometimes go wild. I consider similar articles to be harm and false self-confidence ..... let the boys on them Falomarf... and some of our "marshals" fool
  37. Vitaliy_78
    Vitaliy_78 9 June 2012 02: 35 New
    +5
    Joke: "
    The US Senate Special Commission conducted an investigation and found that American tanks are invulnerable only to American weapons. Earlier, the same commission investigated the incident with a stolen stealth in Yugoslavia and concluded that the stealth is invisible only to American radars. " laughing
  38. Ljubomir
    Ljubomir 9 June 2012 04: 39 New
    +1
    If in the SFRY, as the Professor pointed out, 23 “expensive toys” were lost and the tasks were completed (albeit without a ground operation), then why should the NATO retreat to Syria with possibly a little large losses? After all (as most states on the site) it is incomparable more important? Billion more, a billion less - the United States can not afford to hit hard ....
  39. Alone
    Alone 9 June 2012 08: 20 New
    +1
    Well done Serbs. Only our government betrayed them, so they could not cope with this rabble.
  40. Kobra66
    Kobra66 9 June 2012 09: 15 New
    0
    If they wouldn’t hide big losses in aviation equipment from not the best air defense systems, nobody would need these planes and helicopters for nothing, for example, McCain was shot down in Vietnam (he flew on the most modern aircraft in those years) and he was shot down from air defense 50 years
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 9 June 2012 09: 54 New
      +1
      he flew on the most modern airplane in those years) and he was shot down from the air defense of 50
      loud phrase, 50 years, it immediately seems that such an old complex ...

      Well, why drive the blizzard? C-75 (which is still in service in many countries today) entered the troops in 75, and McCain was shot down exactly 10 years later, he was in Attack Squadron 163 (VA-163), which flew on the same junk 60 years.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 9 June 2012 10: 12 New
        +1
        I add that the troops received A-4E_Skyhawk, the model of the aircraft on which McCain flew, in the 1956 year. Here is such a "junk" were our complexes ...
  41. Horst78
    Horst78 9 June 2012 09: 38 New
    +3
    I don’t know for sure, but a friend studying at the military department of the Tomsk Polytechnic University said that the F-117 was developed against modern radars (decimeter range), and the Cube air defense system had a meter range radar. In consequence of the F-117, the “Cube” is perfectly visible.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 9 June 2012 10: 14 New
      +1
      yes, it’s already visible, it’s "inconspicuous", using the "Technology to reduce visibility"
      it's all a movie that like he once disappeared altogether, that is, completely disappeared
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 9 June 2012 16: 03 New
      +1
      CHP and reviewer at CUBA DM let your friend study better))))
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 9 June 2012 20: 44 New
        0
        Thank. TTX "CUBA" can provide a link. I do not want to be incompetent.
  42. Ataturk
    Ataturk 9 June 2012 13: 05 New
    +2
    Here I sit and think what kind of Americans are scum, and all who start the war.
    Imagine how much money, precious metal, minerals, minerals, energy was spent during the 1st World War, during the 2nd World War, in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere, if this money and all that I transferred , the beast-shaped rulers, would invest in saving, science, poor damn in the end, it would be like living.

    Only the United States spent on the war on terror. The United States spends $ 1 trillion. World War II took $ 3,5 trillion. Now imagine what amount is encoded if you enter all countries into the account !!!

    Your mother Rothschild and the Rotfellers, how many poor people could be saved, how many people could be provided with housing, orphans could be helped, and this money would be enough to make all the poor in the world heal as normal people. I am silent about where Bill Heitz is spending money and this is far from charity; I am also silent about how much each country spends per year on defense.

    You bastards that take money to the grave? We would have enough of all these resources for many centuries.

    Horrible! Man is the worst animal of all animals. Animals kill so that there is something to eat, and people kill, sometimes from beyond the land, then for the sake of power and much more.

    I recall a word from one holy book. O Adam, how good your Lord is and how bad his slave is!
    1. valerei
      valerei 9 June 2012 23: 12 New
      0
      Speaking of the costs of the war. I, back in Soviet times, it seems in Izvestia I read some report on the results of the Vietnam War, which said that the United States spent a huge amount on this war. This amount was taken from an American source. Of course, nothing was said about our costs. I converted this amount into rubles at the Central Bank exchange rate and divided by the cost of one kilometer of a category 1 highway, which then cost, on average, 1 lemon of Soviet rubles per kilometer. Having received the result, I almost fell out of the chair. With Soviet money equivalent to US costs, it would be possible to build a highway from Moscow to Vladivostok, though in a straight line. Well, if the area, then, I think, to Irkutsk would be enough. Reference: A expensive 1 category at that time was considered a 4-lane road with all engineering structures. One 100 sq. M. the house also cost 1 lemon, on average.
  43. Uncle
    Uncle 9 June 2012 13: 27 New
    -1
    How the author of the article was offended when they pointed to the jamb. He does not even think of an apology. That's how all the media work, they drain us the bullshit that has passed through our cerebellum, and the people hops.
    1. Denzel13
      9 June 2012 13: 46 New
      +3
      It’s unlikely that you can judge what I was offended by or not. "Cant" as you put it, is what? In the name of the photo? The photo was simply copied from one of the sites, with the name, respectively. The meaning of the article and the arguments given in it from the name of the photo have not exactly changed.

      PS And as for the participation of the cerebellum in the human thought process, I would advise you to read medical literature, maybe you will learn something new. Rude, and rudeness is not a manifestation of intelligence.
  44. construction battalion
    construction battalion 9 June 2012 14: 26 New
    +3
    As a moral prize, the Yugoslavs can chalk up the remaining 60 pieces of F117, because their coffee makers themselves cut like a lousy flock of bird flu.
    1. Rider
      Rider 9 June 2012 20: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: building battalion
      the Yugoslavs can chalk up the remaining 60 pieces of F117, because their coffee makers themselves cut


      F-117 Stealth
      First flight - June 18, 1981
      Discontinued - April 22, 2008
      Stealth was exploited for almost 30 years until the resource was fully depleted, after which they were decommissioned.
      The NATO war with Yugoslavia, I recall, was in 1999, after that the Stealths flew for another 9 years.
  45. an-sar
    an-sar 9 June 2012 18: 54 New
    0
    It is necessary to write as much as possible about Americans' pateries, make films and show instead of advertising !!!
  46. them
    them 9 June 2012 23: 36 New
    0
    Fighters, and what kind of crap on the site all the time writes comments like: Will we go north ... Are they even Russian?
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 9 June 2012 23: 51 New
      +1
      I guess they are jackals. Descendants of Tobacco. Sherkhan was soaked, but the dogs (red and not very) remained. Now this crap howls at them.
  47. Roman 3671
    Roman 3671 10 June 2012 11: 28 New
    +3
    So how did the Yugoslavs defend their freedom? Most of the armed forces of Yugoslavia at the time of the outbreak of hostilities were military servicemen (its duration, depending on the type of troops - 12-15 months). In the reserve there were about 400000 people. The Yugoslav Air Force at the start of hostilities included: no more than 13 MiG-29 fighters; no more than two combat training aircraft MiG-29UB; no more than 35 MiG-21bis fighters; 12 MiG-21MF fighter-bombers, 21 “Orao” and 21 G-4 “Super Galeb” (having very limited combat capabilities when acting against a strong enemy); There are 16 MiG-21R reconnaissance aircraft and 17 Orao 1R aircraft. There were 14 S-125M Pechora air defense missile divisions (60 PU) and six S-75 Dvina air defense missile divisions (40 PU) with the total the ammunition of not more than 1000 missiles (reports slipping in the Western press about the presence in the arsenal of the Yugoslav Air Force of more modern S-200V and S-Z00P air defense systems are not true). In the land forces of Yugoslavia, as part of four anti-aircraft missile regiments, there were 2K12 Kvadrat medium-range mobile air defense systems (about 70 PUs), as well as low-altitude short-range mobile systems 9K31 Strela-1 (113 launchers) and 9K35M Strela-10 "(17 launchers). According to Western media reports, in October 1998 Russia, in violation of the embargo, supplied Yugoslavia with new homing heads, warheads and fuses for the 9MZ Kvadrat air defense missiles, which greatly expanded the combat capabilities of this complex.

    Two anti-aircraft missile regiments were in Kosovo as part of the 3rd Army. At the beginning of October 1998, the batteries of the Kvadrat air defense system were located in the cities of Pristina, Dyakovitsa and Glogovach. It was on them in the future that the main burden of the fight against NATO strike aircraft fell.

    In addition, the troops in relatively large quantities (850 units) had man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) 9K32 Strela-2, 9K32M Strela-2M, 9K34 Strela-3, and 9K310 Igla-1.
    Anti-aircraft artillery of the ground forces reduced to 11 anti-aircraft artillery regiments equipped with outdated systems with a caliber of 20 to 57 mm. By the start of hostilities, the aggressor opposed these very limited forces with 680 combat aircraft of the Air Force (including 488 of the US Air Force) deployed in Italy (airbases of Aviano, Istrana, Gioia del Coia), Germany, Great Britain and the USA, 421 support aircraft, 49 reconnaissance aircraft and 109 helicopters (total 1259 aircraft). The fleet of combat aircraft was represented by strategic bombers B-1B, B-2A and B-52H (USA), as well as tactical aircraft A-10A (USA), F-15C, F-15E (USA), F-16A, F- 16AM (Belgium, Holland), F-16C (USA), F / A-18C (Spain, Canada), F-104S (Italy), Tornado (Great Britain, Germany, Italy), Jaguar (Great Britain, France) ), Harrier (Great Britain), Mirage 2000 (France).

    A French aircraft carrier Foch was deployed in the Adriatic (aircraft fleet - F-8 Krussader fighter planes, Super Etandar attack aircraft and Etandar reconnaissance aircraft), the English multi-purpose nuclear submarine Splendid, as well as two destroyers and six different frigates NATO countries. In the Mediterranean Sea there were ships of the 6th American fleet, led by the Theodore Roosevelt nuclear carrier (there were 22 F-14A and 24 F / A-18C fighters, four EW-2B EW aircraft, four E-3C AWACS on board , eight S-11B anti-submarine aircraft and seven helicopters). In addition, the American compound included the Albuquirk, Miami and Hampton multipurpose nuclear submarines, three missile cruisers, five destroyers, the La Salle headquarters ship, the Nassau universal landing ship, two landing ships, and four minesweepers and 6 auxiliary vessels. On the US and UK ALL, as well as cruisers and destroyers of the 600th US Navy, there were about XNUMX Tomahawk cruise missiles. In the future, NATO forces in the theater of war constantly increased.http: //www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/europe/bairwar/bairwar.html
    1. teplal
      teplal 10 June 2012 22: 01 New
      +2
      If this is true, then it is not known who won! what
  48. Stalinets
    Stalinets 10 June 2012 20: 37 New
    +1
    If ... if ... There is nothing worse than the subjunctive mood. Let's see how we will fight them. Serbs did not scare. Or rather not all. Although they fought reluctantly. Our guys who volunteered wrote about this.
  49. pilot-mk
    pilot-mk 12 June 2012 06: 50 New
    0
    It is clear why the Americans themselves did not climb into Libya and are afraid of Syria))))))
  50. Sanches
    Sanches 13 June 2012 09: 04 New
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    The United States has its own special reason to conceal losses - their army is contractual, and if they find out that the losses are not zero, they will demand a higher payment or will not go at all. There are now mostly African and Latin Americans from the slums, only they are satisfied with the payment