NATO losses in Yugoslavia

The topic of casualties in any war is extremely scrupulous and controversial. However, it is precisely the contradictions in the estimates that make it possible to get a more or less complete picture of this. Many years have passed since the war of the NATO bloc against Yugoslavia. A huge military machine fell on Yugoslavia, the entire population of which was less than the number of inhabitants in New York alone. The operation codenamed "Allied Force" was doomed to success. In this article I would like to at least briefly answer the question: was the victory really bloodless for Americans and other coalition members?

According to official reports from representatives of the NATO military command, the operation against Yugoslavia was bloodless: Yugoslav air defense in the 78 days of air raids managed to shoot down only a few planes - in short, a complete triumph. This was believed not only in the NATO countries, but also practically all over the world. And only after the end of hostilities did the scale of the allied losses and the effectiveness of the NATO forces gradually become clear. In the matter of turning their losses into "invisible", the corresponding NATO structures turned out to be much more productive than the American "invisible" "stealth" shot down by Yugoslav anti-aircraft gunners. But some of the truth still came out.

From the Yugoslav side, the data was given by the command of the Air Force, in whose subordination the air defense forces were. In addition to these, the Air Defense Forces of the Ground Forces and the Air Defense Forces of the Separate Pristta Corps, deployed in Kosovo and Metohija (directly subordinated to Belgrade), also worked. According to Yu.P. Savelyev, who had been in the theater of operations, Yugoslavs were shot down 115 manned aircraft of NATO. An additional incentive for the SFRY to hide its successes may be that part of the ejected NATO pilots from the downed planes were killed by local residents (whom they had bombed before) before they fell into the hands of the Serbian military police - and this could already be declared a "war crime" ".

Here are the data from the Yugoslav side: 61 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 30 UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) and 238 cruise missiles. Of course, it can be argued that this is all the propaganda of the Yugoslavs, but why, then, the data on NATO losses cited by the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) of the Russian army are close to the data of the Yugoslavs? The GRU data published in a number of Russian newspapers was obtained from radio intelligence, from reconnaissance satellites and ships located in the Mediterranean Sea. Our GRU, given the official position of the political leadership of Russia, simply could not participate in the propaganda actions of the Yugoslav military. This means that these data are close to true. Similar loss figures aviation NATO is also cited by Chinese military sources.

But the most important thing is that NATO officials themselves and some Western newspapers (the control over them turned out to be not so tight) constantly talked about the real losses. For example, at the very beginning of the war, British Defense Minister Robertson acknowledged the loss of three British Tornado fighter-bombers in the skies over Yugoslavia, but in the final report of NATO losses they were "forgotten". Some independent think tanks in the West also did not share official optimism. For example, the American International Association for Strategic Studies after only the first month of hostilities (and they lasted more than two and a half months), claimed that the losses of Allied aviation were already 38 planes, 6 helicopters and 7 UAVs. These data coincide with the data of the Air Force of the SFRY for April 1999. However, at the end of the war, this association did not publish the total loss data - apparently, it did not want to discredit its reputation with the NATO “official”, and didn’t give real figures to it. There are a lot of such examples, but you can use a different approach, so to speak, the "indirect evidence methodology".

For example, NATO officially recognized the loss of 32 UAVs (even more than the figure that the Yugoslavs cited). And this is psychologically explicable. You can not hide the loss of unmanned aircraft, because it is not associated with the loss of pilots, and the equipment in the Western armies is very much. But it is the data on the losses of the UAV that make it possible to judge the rather high efficiency of the Yugoslav air defense. After all, it is even more difficult to shoot down a UAV than a manned aircraft. Despite the low speed of flight, the UAV has a small radar scattering surface, which makes it extremely difficult to use anti-aircraft missiles guided by radars, thermal radiation of the vehicles is also very small and therefore anti-aircraft missile systems with infrared guidance are also not very effective, small size reduces the possibility of damage artillery fire. So the big losses of the NATO UAVs are a sign of the effectiveness of the Yugoslav air defense. But after all, it concerns not only unmanned aircraft!

One of the arguments of NATO propaganda was that the Yugoslavs could not produce the wreckage of downed aircraft. But the Allied air force operated at an altitude of 4 - 15 km. Yugoslavia is a small country, and a wounded plane does not always fall down a stone; it can sometimes overcome a considerable distance from the place of defeat. Knocked down cars from this height could fall on the territory of neighboring, allied NATO countries, or in the Adriatic Sea. However, the remnants of several NATO aircraft Yugoslavs still demonstrated, and among them was one "invisible".

With these "stealth" of the Americans in general came out a complete embarrassment. The USAF received a whole fleet of F-117 fighters manufactured using radar stealth technology. Giant funds were spent on this. But it turned out that the Soviet radar stationed in the arsenal of the Yugoslav army quite easily detect the “invisible”. After losing three "stealth" the command of the US Air Force ordered to stop their combat use. The Yugoslavs proved that the "invisible" is suitable only for the filming of Hollywood blockbusters about the invincibility of American aircraft.

Yugoslavs have developed cheap and effective means of dealing with low-flying cruise missiles. Apart from the traditional means of air defense, the now almost completely forgotten aerostats of air barriers and the networks they raised into the air were quite successfully used against them.

At the same time, even after the end of hostilities, Western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal. For example, in Kosovo, NATO found the remains of a large number of dummies and wooden models tanks, APCs and guns affected during air strikes. It turns out that, spending a large amount of high-precision weapons (and only to the Americans the war against Yugoslavia cost half a billion dollars a day), the NATO forces hit the wooden and inflatable dummies of military equipment, which cost Yugoslavs almost nothing. The only thing that the Americans and their satellites have succeeded in is strikes against cities, bridges, power stations, that is, the defeat of the civilian population.

Little Yugoslavia has shown the world that even the colossal war machine of NATO and the United States can be successfully confronted. And the West has shown that in matters of propaganda and psychological warfare, he worthily continues the work of Dr. Goebbels.

The only thing that is bad for the NATO participants themselves is that the same Americans have come to believe that they, since the “Storm in the Desert”, have won only light and bloodless victories. But everyone who knows the latest history, they will recall that the last indisputable military victory of the Americans was achieved by them together with their allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Then there were either defeats (Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, and many Third World hot spots), or Pyrrhic victories (Middle East, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Balkans). But America is convinced that she only did what she won. And it seems that Americans will have to pay dearly for this illusion.

Here are some very interesting facts (from the book of P. Lytkin “Handbook of Armed Forces of the Balkan Region Countries”):

24 March 1999 in the area of ​​Mount Chichavitsy in 20-30 shot down the plane. In the area of ​​Tigela Mig-29 in 20-35 (pilot Nebojša Nikolić), a NATO plane was shot down (possibly F-16). The plane fell into the sea, the pilot was rescued by a French carrier-based helicopter. At the mountain Yastrebats shot down a Luftwaffe "Tornado". Crew matched rescue helicopter (SFOR). In the area of ​​Lazarevac, the fighter Slobodan Peric attacked a NATO plane (possibly F-16). The fate of the attacked car is unknown. Kosovo in 21-30 shot down the "Tornado" of the Royal Air Force of Great Britain. The crew landed in the area controlled by the OAK militants and evacuated to Macedonia.

25 March 1999 The Greek military radio networks around 00-00 recorded two “Mayday” signals sent by NATO aircraft. After midnight, an F-15 aircraft landed at the airfield of Railovac in the vicinity of Sarajevo. The car smoked heavily. In the area of ​​Fruschki Gora in 23-00, F / A-18 “Hornet” was hit, falling into 11 km south of Ruma. Around midnight, a NATO plane was shot down in the area between Pristina and Poduyevo.

26 March 1999 in the region of Doña Trnova, 15 km south-west of Bielena (Republika Srpska), F-17 of the US Air Force fell in 20-15, the pilot died. Representatives of NATO claimed that it was the MIG-21 Air Force JNA.

27 March 1999 on Mount Mallen in 01-00 fell downed "Tornado" Luftwaffe, two pilots ejected and taken prisoner in the area of ​​the city of Chachak (Konevichi village). In the vicinity of Pec shot down a NATO plane. In the area between Vrutak and Kremnaya, near the town of Užice, an aircraft was shot down. Between Vrutak and Kremnaya, an SFOR helicopter with 03 soldiers aboard was shot down in 20-22. The helicopter attacked the JNA infantry unit, but was hit by a MANPADS missile. All 21 people on board died. North of Sambora, a NATO plane was shot down; there is no information about its fate. The Greek military radio network recorded three “Mayday” signals. The first filed a Danish F-16, another F-15 US Air Force and the third-French "Mirage". General Jankovic stated that the Canadian F / A-15 "Hornet" was shot down near the Macedonian border on 50-18. The car fell in Macedonia. A plane was shot down near the village of Budanovtsy in 17-00. Near Budanovtsi in 20-55 shot down by a missile-launcher "Cube" F-117А. The pilot, captain Ken "Wiz" Dwilly catapulted and called rescuers. At about 23-55, the SFOR rescue helicopter, carrying the rescue team and captain Dwili, was shot down by infantry units that were scouring the area in the F-117 crash, all of the NATO troops on board were killed.

28 March 1999 in the area of ​​Uglevik Bridge in 02-50 was shot down by the US Air Force F-15, the pilot was killed, some sources claim that it was F-117А. In the area of ​​the town of Uglevik in 03-00, a SFOR HH-60 rescue helicopter "Pave Hawk" was shot down with 12 members of the rescue team. Survived and captured only two people. In the area of ​​Loznice shot down a NATO aircraft, the pilot ejected. In the area of ​​Pristina in 23-50 shot down the plane. In the area of ​​Mount Pastric, near Prizren, a NATO plane was shot down at 23-55.

29 March 1999, after midnight, near the city of Pale (Republika Srpska), shot down by F-15 (or F-16) by the USAF, fell. The pilot ejected, but was later found dead. After midnight, the UAV was shot down over the n / a Gakovo (near Sambir).

30 March 1999 near the Varpazar near 01-00 a British Harrier vertical take-off aircraft was shot down by a missile. The pilot ejected and was captured. Near Vranje in 16-30 shot down the plane. The pilot ejected. At night, the plane was shot down over Prizren, fell near the mountain Cer (mountain range Cer planina). At night, a UAV was shot down over Aleksinac.

31 March 1999, near the town of Gnilane (Kosovo), a NATO plane was shot down. Fell in Macedonia. Near the Orphan, north of the city of Novi Sad, shot down "Tornado" Luftwaffe. Two pilots taken prisoner.

1 April 1999 was shot down by a NATO plane near Mount Tara in 01-00 (the pilot apparently survived and gave a distress signal). At Mount Tara in 01-30, two CH-53 “Stallion” helicopters were shot down with 58 crews and SFOR paratroopers. All died. At the airfield of Pleso (Zagreb) near 03-00 made an emergency landing F-117.

3 on April 1999, while attacking the “Bridge of Freedom” in Novi Sad on 19-45, a NATO plane was shot down. The car fell near the village. Stara Pazova. The pilot is captivated. At night, over the city of Banja Luka, many witnesses saw a fuming strong smoke of F-16.

4 April 1999, after midnight, near Užice, the JNA air defense system knocked out H / F-A-18. The plane dropped two full outboard fuel tanks (they exploded when they fell) and touched the wing behind the power lines. It is not known whether he fell.

5 April 1999 in the afternoon in the Pancevo area between the villages of Dolovo and Batansko-Novo-Selo an aircraft was shot down. Around midnight, in the area of ​​Frushki Hory, a NATO plane was shot down during the attack of the Crveni Kot TV tower. Claim that this is F-117A. The pilot ejected and landed near the village of Remete. Around midnight, while attacking the Zhezhel bridge in Novi Sad, the Tornado of the Luftwaffe was shot down, two pilots were captured.

6 April 1999 after midnight during the attack on the Petrovaradinsky bridge shot down the plane. The pilot ejected, landed at the plant "Victory" and was captured. After midnight, a plane was shot down over Pristina, it fell down at the mountain Cer, near Skopje. After midnight south of Fruski-Gora two NATO helicopters with a rescue team were shot down. After midnight, a plane was shot down near the village of Svinjare, near Kosovski Mitrovica. Before midnight, two search and rescue helicopters with 40 "commandos" on board were shot down at Skopska-Crna-Gora, no one escaped. At the same time, on the Yugoslav-Albanian border in Montenegro, a NATO search and rescue helicopter was shot down with 20 soldiers on board, including a rescued pilot. All died.

06.04.99 to 23: 30 district of Vozdovac, Belgrade. Air combat between Mig-21 and American F-15, American shot down.

7 April 1999, a NATO plane shot down over Pristina in the evening, fell in Macedonia. Before midnight, the American Hunter UAV was shot down over Pristina. Before midnight, near the n / n Lig (Lick) shot down the plane.

8 April 1999 after midnight, near the Nish, the "Tornado" of the Luftwaffe was shot down. Both pilots are captured. Before midnight, an aircraft was shot down near Kraljevo.

10 April 1999 in the Suva River area in 15-45 shot down an aircraft. Before midnight, a plane was shot down near Niš.

11 April 1999 in the area of ​​Bachka-Brestovac, near the Red Lake, in 00-12 was shot down by F-16. After midnight, near the village of Kolesia, near Tuzla, the plane fell.

12 April 1999 In front of the village of Osmanovichi, near Tuzla, in the 21: the British Sea Harrier dropped 00. The pilot died. The car hit over Zrenyanin, dropped the suspension, tanks, but still fell. Before midnight, the CL-289 UAV of Germany was shot down in Kosovo.

13 April 1999, after midnight, the plane was shot down at the Batainica airbase.

After midnight, a plane was shot down at Yabuk, north of Pancevo. At the same time, a plane crashed near Gorazde. The pilot died. At the same time, a plane crashed near the village of Kadian Chesma near Tuzla. At the same time, Bela Crkva, near Vrsac, shot down the plane.

14 April 1999, in the morning in Kosovo Polje was shot down by the CL-289 UAV of the German Army. In the afternoon, the damaged F-15 fell in the Yugoslav-Romanian border area. The car dropped two fuel tanks and went into Romanian territory. There is no information about her fate. In Syrig, north of Novi Sad, in 10: 00 shot down the plane. The pilot is captured. Next to Belgrade in 10: 05 shot down the plane.

15 April 1999 at the mountain Bielashnitsa, Bosnia, in 3: the plane fell. Near the Surf downed aircraft. In Podgorica, the Bofors anti-aircraft gun, commanded by Lieutenant Zdravko Bankovic, on 00: 19 was hit by a Tornado plane. The car fell into Lake Skadorskoye. Battery Bankovic in 30: 19 shot down the Mirage-35 of the French Air Force. The car fell in the mountains of Rumi. The pilot is captured. Near Podgorica, the gunner of the Strela-2000M MANPADS Predrag Jonich in 2: 19 shot down a NATO plane. The pilot ejected and was captured near the village of Cruz. Before midnight at the Petrovac airfield (Skopje), a NATO plane badly damaged by two MANPADS crashed while landing.

16 April 1999, south of Kosovo, the gunner of MANPADS Dragan Petrovich shot down A-10. The plane crashed in Macedonia at the Debelde border post.

17 April 1999 at Miloshev Dol near Priepol in 11: 00 may have been shot down by Sea Harrier. Urosevac in 16: 30 shot down the plane. The car fell in the depths of the Macedonian territory in 4 km from the village of Tanushevtsy. At the village of Cherevich, Fruska Gora, in 22: 10 was shot down by "Tornado". The car went into the airspace of Croatia, then fell.

18 April 1999 over Pristina in 2: The 00 is shot down by a UAV. Above Mount Povlen in 3: 00 shot down "Tornado". The plane crashed near Sarajevo near the Skelani n / n (Republika Srpska). In the Pristina area of ​​16: 00 exploded in the air F-16. Over Pristina in 16: a NATO plane exploded. Near Prishtina in 03: The 19 plane fell on Mount Chichavitsa. Before midnight at the airfield Raylovac crashed while landing a damaged MANPADS Danish F-00. At Tuzla at midnight, the American Predator UAV fell. Around the Yalovsky Kamen n / n near Tetovo in 16: 22 was shot down by a NATO plane.

19 April 1999. Before midnight, near the village of Yagunovtsy near Tetovo, the German CL-289 UAV was shot down. At Mount Veliki Yastrebats in 23: 00 shot down a NATO plane. Before midnight, in the Veliki Yastrebats area, a search and rescue helicopter with a rescue team was shot down. In the area of ​​Urosevac in 23: 15 shot down the plane.

20 April 1999 near the mountain Rudnik, near the village of Topola, in 2: 30 shot down the plane. At the mountain Rudnik, near the village of Chumich, in 3: an aircraft was shot down. Above Gorne Stanovice, near Vučitrn in 15: 19 is shot down by a UAV. Around midnight, two F-00 fuel tanks were found in the Biochika area, shot by shells.

21 April 1999. After midnight, a NATO plane was damaged at Fruschki Gora. Found his wreckage. Presumably, the plane went in the direction of Croatia, where it crashed.

22 April 1999 g. Around midnight near the village of Sonsha, near Apatin, shot down a US UAV. At n / p Kurshumliya in 18: 00 found the wreckage of the aircraft.

23 April 1999 near Pristina in 14: 00 damaged aircraft. The car went to Albania, where, most likely, collapsed. Near Orlan, 15 km north-west of Pristina, 15: 10 shot down a plane.

24 April 1999 near Prishtina, near the village of Bushine, a NATO plane crashed on 14: 45. Around midnight, a plane crashed near Pristina, near Lapple Village. Over Boka Kotorska shot down a UAV. Over the mountain Kukavitsa, near Leskovac, shot down the plane. The pilot is captured.

25 April 1999 was about midnight near Pristina, near the village of Lipovitsa, the plane crashed. The AN-64 Apache helicopter was shot down and captured by JNA forces in Kosovo. In the Novi Sad area, a low-flying aircraft damaged by air defense forces. The car was shrouded in smoke and went outside the Yugoslav territory.

26 April 1999 in 40 km northeast of Tirana in 22: The AN-00 helicopter fell off 64. Probably the crew survived. Most likely, the helicopter was killed during the attack at the Koshary border post.

27 April 1999 over Fruschka Gora in 1: a NATO plane was damaged by 45. He dropped bombs on the Croatian village of Executioner at Osijek. At the Petrovac airfield (Skopje) on 10: 57 a plane crashed. About Prokuplje in 17: 00 shot down a NATO plane. The pilot landed in the forest on Mount Pashacha, near Prokuplje. The wreckage of the aircraft was found in the area of ​​Mount Pasacha In 18: 00 found the wreckage of the aircraft near Prokuplje, near Berilje. Over the mountain Zlatibor shot down the plane. The pilot ejected.

28 April 1999 near Podgorica in 14: 00 shot down the plane, the pilot ejected. Around Berane in 14: 30 shot down a plane. Around midnight, a plane was shot down near the village of Norovo, near Krushevo, Macedonia. Two pilots ejected and landed in the forest on the tops of the trees. Rescued by NATO rescue group helicopters. In the afternoon, in the area of ​​the villages of Velika Sabatna and Gornja, the bee flying at a low altitude of NATO was damaged. The pilot dropped bombs and hanging tanks on the village of Crni Vrn.

29 April 1999, in the area of ​​the Macedonian-Albanian border near the city of Debar, a plane crashed. Around Vodno, near Skopje, in 11: the plane crashed. Not far from Zemun, according to eyewitnesses, about 00: 1 shot down two aircraft. In 40: 11 y Samokov, in 00 km south-east of Skopje, two charred corpses of pilots were found. In the Pancevo area of ​​40: 16, witnesses saw the fall of two NATO planes. The information was reported on the local TV "Studio-B". One pilot, presumably, catapulted. At the village of Bystritsa, near Veles (Macedonia), according to eyewitness accounts, a NATO plane, fuming, dropped two missiles and hid behind a mountain. Soon there was an explosion.

30 April 1999, the aircraft was shot down south of Niš. In the area of ​​the village of Gorska in 20 km south-west of Belgrade, in 23: 15, eyewitnesses saw parachutes.

1 in May 1999 over the Adriatic Sea, 40 km from the coast of the FRY, in 14: 15 shot down the plane. The pilot ejected.

2 May 1999 near the village of Nakuchani, southwest of Sabac, on 2: 05 shot down by an American F-16C. The pilot is selected by the search and rescue team. In the village of Nakuchani in 4: 00 two search and rescue helicopters with rescued pilots were shot down. Near the airfield, Petrovac made an emergency landing of an A-10. Many saw that the right wing and the engine of the aircraft were ripped up by a rocket blast. On the pylons hung rockets, creating panic among the population. The pilot was apparently injured. After 40 minutes the plane was towed to the hangar of Petrovac airfield.

3 in May 1999 in Novi Sad, during the attack of the telecentre, in 21: 45 a saomlet is damaged. Black smoke came from the fuselage. The plane fell in the immediate vicinity.

5 in May 1999 near Banja-Basta damaged a plane in 1: 30 crashed in Bosnia. In the morning in 75 km north-west of Tirana AN-64 was shot down. Pilot killed by artillery fire YUNA. NATO believes that AN-64 was hit by a MANPADS missile. Valenno in 12: 10 shot down the plane. The pilot ejected. The plane crashed into Lake Ohrid. NATO divers were looking for his wreckage.

6 May 1999 at midnight a UAV was shot down over the village of Presevo. Debris found in the area of ​​Bujanovac - Presevo.

7 May 1999 during the attack of Serb Irishka Venats in 14: the aircraft was damaged. The car, fuming, went to Sabatsu.

11 in May 1999 near the village of Gruzha, in 15 km southeast of Kragujevac, in 11: 40 an airplane crashed onto Gledička Mountain.

12 in May 1999 near the village of Vakshinche, near Kumanovo, witnesses saw one of the four planes suddenly fall while flying at low altitude.

13 in May 1999 in the vicinity of Nova Pazov in 4: one aircraft damaged 25. At the village of Klokot, near Vitn, in 12: The French CL-00 UAV was shot down by the 289. The case is described by the television of Serbia. At Mokra Gora, near the village of Istok, north-west of Pec, the American UAV of the Boeing company was shot down.

14 in May 1999 in the vicinity of Mount Rudnik, two NATO planes were hit by air defense forces. The pilots dropped the suspension tanks and went to Bosnia. In the area of ​​Djakovica, Yugoslav air defense A-10 was beaten by day The attack aircraft fell at the mountain Cer, not far from the Albanian border. Over Nish in 19: 00 air defense forces shot down a NATO plane. The pilot ejected and landed near the village of Brenice. The pilot is captivated. The incident was confirmed by witnesses and the police.

16 May 1999 was shot down by a CL-289 UAV over Kosovo. In the afternoon, near the village of Izvor, near Beles (Macedonia), a NATO plane was shot down. The pilot ejected and landed near the village of Chuka. The incident was confirmed by witnesses and the police.

17 May 1999 on the Pester Plateau shot down BP LA USA.

19 May 1999 near the village of Talinovtse in 17: 00 shot down an American UAV "Predator". Over Urosevavac near 19: 00 shot down a UAV. Fell into the city.

20 May 1999 near the village of Ojacha in 2: A NATO plane was shot down by 00. In 25 km south of Belgrade in 3: 00 (or in 1: 00), the Stealth bomber B-2A stealth bomber was shot down over Surchin (B-8A board number was assigned) anti-aircraft missile into the cockpit area and fell shortly thereafter. The crew (88 man) died. The incident is confirmed by many witnesses. Near 0329: 2 shot down two NATO aircraft, probably F-4, accompanying the bombers. At the village of Gradište, 3 km west of Niš, on 00: 15 was shot down by an aircraft, probably F-22. In 3: 35 shot down a NATO rescue helicopter with a rescue squad. Over the Slatina (Pristina) airfield in 16: 3 is shot down by a UAV. MiG-30 pilot Iliya Arizan shot down a NATO plane (possibly F-15) over Kosovo.

In total, by May 20 during the aggression against Yugoslavia, the NATO bloc lost 109 planes (shot down unconditionally), another 15 planes were shot down, probably 12 planes were damaged. 16 helicopters and 18 UAVs and 164 Tomahawk cruise missiles shot down (these episodes are not in this document).

Among those destroyed are one B-2 “Spirit” invisible plane, three or four F-117s (another one is damaged), 10 “Tornado”, eight F-16 (one more is damaged), five F-15 (another two damaged), three A-10 (another damaged), two Mirage-2000, five Harrier (Sea Harrier / AB-8B). From helicopters: two MH-53 "Stallion", one HH-60 "Pave Havk", three AH-64 "Apache" (another one is damaged).

Losses in personnel among pilots and rescue teams amounted to 313 people. Including 247 killed and 66 missing. To this must be added the 19 corpses of American servicemen, whom 8 of April secretly, through 424-th military hospital in Thessaloniki, sent home. The total number of dead and missing amounted to 20.05.99 g. 332 person. Captured 30 of NATO troops, including at least eight Germans, one Frenchman, one or two Englishmen. Among the downed - two Danish F-16, at least one Danish pilot was killed.

According to information received later, the following facts were established:

7 June 1999. Over Kosovo, a B-52.18 of April 1999 was shot down. A group of JNA airplanes struck a bombing attack on the Tuzla airfield (BiH), which resulted in the destruction of 17 aircraft and 3 rescue helicopters on the ground. NATO air defense forces shot down J-22 Ogao, which was involved in the raid (Colonel Mihailo V. was killed), and shot down MiG-21, piloted by Major M. Zelko, but the pilot was able to land the plane in 10 km from Ponikwe airbase. 26 April 1999. A group of four Yugoslav G-4 attack aircraft from the Golubovac airbase struck the Rinas airbase (Albania), as a result of which AN-12 helicopters were damaged and destroyed (64 destroyed, 3 was damaged). Air defense forces shot down 9 G-2, but the pilots managed to eject and escape. On the night of 4 on 11 on June 12, the American Combat Talon MS-1999 “Combat Talon” crashed during take-off under obscure circumstances with a group of British 130 SAS military personnel. All the special forces and crew members died. The plane was supposed to throw a group of SAS in Kosovo in order to perform sabotage tasks. In addition, it was found that among the downed NATO aircraft were the 40 F-5 and 4 Polish MiG-2 aircraft. The number of UAVs shot down amounted to 29 units, 30 cruise missiles. As a result of the fighting, Yugoslavia has lost 238 soldiers killed and missing. Including 576 man - JNA and 462 man - MIA. Lost 114 tanks, and 5 BMP and BTR. Air Force losses were in addition to the already named 8 MiG-4 MiG-29,1. The victims among the civilian population of Yugoslavia were more than two thousand people dead and seven thousand wounded.

Interestingly, how would the US population respond if such statistics were officially recognized?

Comments

[Sakhalininsk]

What can I say well done. Eh, if Borka was hungry, he delivered Milosevic the S-300, but then there would have been much more losses among the shit-democratizers.

[Aleksey67]

The government of any country is reluctant to admit its losses in hostilities and there are many ways to write off direct combat as "accident" and "non-combat", thus the victory looks more convincing and the aspect of the morale of the troops has not been canceled. It is easier for soldiers to fight if they are told that the enemy is weak and toothless.

[Sakhalininsk]

And so it is, after all, the purest psychological aspect of the war, and no one will cancel it.

[Redpartyzan]

Very indicative figures, especially in anticipation of a major conflict in the Middle East region. No one needs to fear the invincibility of the Amer army — a myth and more.

[Ross]

Redpartyzan,
Iranians and Syrians would have such combat training and perseverance, as the Serbs showed.

[revnagan]

True, fellows Yugoslavs. I read about the losses of NATO, my soul was already rejoicing. Yes, it's a pity that Boryunya betrayed the Yugoslavs. But what does Yugoslavia mean to him, if he was drinking Russia calmly ... And we need to draw a conclusion: the enemy should have unacceptable losses in the information war too , moreover, the data about them must be broadcast on the territory of the enemy. Remember how during the Great Patriotic War our radio broadcast a record on the territory of Germany: "every 6 seconds one German soldier dies in Russia." We must not forget about such an experience.

[Ross]

revnagan,
Very sure! Plus huge. You need to remember how Tripoli was taken, information laid out.

[vadimus]

This is not for unarmed women and children to bullet! They will beat and beat them!

[re321]

And what is the essence of the article?
Are the sources of the Serbs themselves, the GRU and the eternally "muddy" Chinese taken as a basis? Why on earth?
In 1999, what were the real possibilities for these "honest in the world" sources to control the actions of the US Air Force? Can we finish feeding ourselves with fairy tales?
Give the statistics of the losses of the Russian Air Force in the Caucasus during the "neutralization" of just militants and compare with Serbia in 1999, and everything will immediately fall into place
By the way, what are the Chinese air force capable of? ...

[skullcap]

re321 Today, 11: 26
And what is the essence of the article?
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Trying to take virtual revenge for the real 2 World?

[Gym teacher]

Quote from the article:
On May 20, 1999, at 2:00 a.m., a NATO plane was shot down near the village of Ojac. 25 km south of Belgrade at 3:00 (or 1:00), a Stealth B-2A bomber was shot down over Surchin (tail number AF-8 88-0329 “Spirit of Missury”), the B-2A was shot down anti-aircraft missile into the cockpit area and fell shortly afterwards. The crew (4 people) was killed. The incident is confirmed by many witnesses.

Already one paragraph causes a laugh. Everyone still recalls the downed little F-117, they make films and write books about it - wreckage in museums, hundreds of witnesses, the Yugoslavs are still proud of their only victory ...

And here - in a densely populated area such a monster crashed, four corpses - and silence, no reaction from the Yugoslav media, military, "numerous witnesses" are silent It’s not even funny, it’s already scary what people can believe

[ward]

And what do you want ... a small country ... who fought the most ... over the past 300 years, they have lived very little peacefully ... here they have taught ... found silent ... lost silent ...

[Rider]

Quote: ward

a small country ... who fought the most ... for the last 300 years they have lived very little peacefully ... they have taught ... found it is silent ...

Why weren't they silent when they found the small F-117?

[Michael 9999]

it is possible that the fragments of the stealth of our scientists were no longer of interest after Iraq, but the strategist V-2 is another matter, maybe the sand from the scene of the accident was not exactly what they wanted, they’re like an egghead bolt like children let me give otherwise it’s hysteria you don’t like me well and ours time tried to decide after a hangover fraternization 90s even ebn woke up remember (no one can criticize Putin for Chechnya, we have a vigorous loaf) I understand that the oil flooded uphill or maybe our industrialists decided but I won’t be surprised if they bought ours or maybe the Yankees well so that the image does not tear

[valokordin]

it’s worth considering the comment of the physical education teacher, well, in general, maybe our media played into the hands of the NATO members, because Borya and his team, with the famous U-turn over the Atlantic, betrayed, as always, their allies and the Slav brothers

[Bersaglieri]

To begin with, the Spirit has a crew of two people. This is the first. And the second - not a single “Spirit” was included in the space of “air defense zones of Yugoslavia”. Here F-117-yes, the Serbs failed, and - perhaps even a couple. And about 15-20 other manned Pepelats.

[jo_lik]

In the sense - YOU F ... pooed a small state, for which at that moment there was no one to stand up for. And that’s why it was BEATED.

Quote: re321

Maybe we’ll finish feeding ourselves tales already?

But this is correct.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

re321 don’t feed yourself with fairy tales, you can only bribe the top you can \ win / haven’t run up yet / don’t be dashing while quiet \

[ward]

And YOU Kotya for whom ... for the Bolsheviks or for the whites ... or maybe you’re green .... You’ll either put on your underpants or take off your cross ... otherwise it’s not like that ...

[zadorin1974]

I want to remind you a little - those who don’t want to know especially — the basis of the Chinese Air Force was laid by Soviet specialists, tactics and decent flight training, and the fact that their aircraft equipment has a small resource — with Chinese performance it’s not a problem to build several disposable aircraft

[mark021105]

Quote: re321

Are the sources of the Serbs themselves, the GRU and the eternally "muddy" Chinese taken as a basis?

Do you think we should take the sources of NATO as a basis?

[Bronis]

Quote: re321

By the way, what are the Chinese air force capable of?

I think you'll see soon ... it is not for nothing that the United States is transferring half of the carrier fleet to this region. And no need for skepticism. The Chinese are quick to learn and rearm. And if you compare the PLA Air Force and the Luftwaffe, the latter look already, to put it mildly, pale. In general, the capacity of the West European Air Force without the United States is very doubtful.

[Sandov]

re321,
Well done Serbs, if not for EBN, NATO’s horns would have been broken there. I hope that these tricks will no longer pass with the crusaders. Our complexes would destroy this western brotherhood.

[Insurgent]

Well done, you say, but they introduced sanctions against Belarus, which Kator supported during the bombing

[Alf]

Do not confuse the regime of a dead freak and the people.

[Evrepid]

How strange are you reasoning? Are only those agencies that speak of your truth right? Something very muddy situation in your thoughts.

Believe me, the Chinese, although they are called the "paper" tiger, are very capable of a lot! Yes, just the number of hoes that will shoot down the UAV :)

[11Goor11]

Posted by Denzel13:
Interestingly, how would the US population respond if such statistics were officially recognized?
Thanks so much for the article. Answering a question, one can predict that the average American seeing this information on TV (since they read only the labels on beer) would come off for a couple of seconds from chewing a hamburger, trying to understand what they were rubbing in and realizing that it was something about the war that would hardly raised his swollen hand from overeating and switched the TV to another channel in a more interesting way.

re321:
What is the meaning of the article?
I am surprised that your soul ... oh, excuse me, the body (you have no souls - only "body") are interested in questions of meaning. Read more such articles and it may come to you that war is not only when you kill someone, but with a high probability that someone can kill you. War is bad. No matter how the official Western propaganda convinces you that "war is good".
Chew less hamburgers, from them nerve cells degenerate into fatty tissues and after a while you will only be concerned about issues related to your ass.

[Yazov]

It is necessary to put the S-300 in Syria and do ,, Work on the mistakes ,,.

[755962]

Yes, and with Iran to renegotiate the supply agreement of S-300, in the light of recent events.

[Gym teacher]

All speculations about NATO’s high casualties are broken up on a single fact, like a rock: NO FRAGMENTS

A day after the fall of the F-16 and F-117, the Serbs showed their wreckage to the whole world. We weren't even too lazy to find and drag the wreckage of the Apache crashed in the mountains in a hard-to-reach place

And now, gossip is spreading about dozens of downed planes and hundreds of captured pilots ... guys, I do not mind ... show the wreckage and bodies of the pilots - and I bet the end. Otherwise, all your stories are bluffs and you make yourself fools of yourself

[Gym teacher]

"The truth can be burned, but not refuted" / Gallileo /

Cons do not solve anything, try to find counterarguments. There are still no debris

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I agree completely
when the Serbs had the facts of the downed ones, they confirmed them. forever .. and the rest is the fantasy of boys and uncles who survived from reality ... (with crazy ideas, bend NATO, send troops into Syria, etc.) ... about high losses of NATO

[edge]

and you would have flung through the Balkans and looked personally yourself. Ato has grown an ass ............. and you are carrying nonsense.

[yanus]

And what if writing in red from this message looks smarter?

[El13]

And they have a red threat - an alarm-alarm - they reached a red heat, to see someone hit the point ...

[viktor_ui]

Fizruk - but the article clearly says that a shot down flying product does not always plummet over the point of impact and we must admit a very high probability of aircraft falling on adjacent territories and local waters ... I think that you will agree and due to this factor there will be no evidence . Well, the fact that one of the warring parties overestimates their victories by 3 times, and the opponent underestimates their losses by 3 times is a normal occurrence due to the existing stressful situation (why I won’t polemicize 3 times, but this is a proven psycho-fact).
Well, if the imperious drunk would behave like a statesman ... then there would not be that disgrace called the drain of allies in spirit and blood, and everything else would not hang on the shoulders of my country.
PS Your questions are real ... but one-sided.

[edge]

hear, but don’t torment in the mountains to carry scrap metal on yourself. you can see except for a spoon lifting anything harder ............ ito probably plastic.

[Ivan Kalinovich]

Gossip is you dissolve, the 5th point of the State Department !!!

[zardoz]

When a rocket hits a plane over the territory of Yugoslavia, it does not mean at all that the plane will fall on its territory. It is interesting and how the Yugoslavs show the wreckage that formed, for example in Macedonia, as a result of the fall of an aircraft?

[lotus04]

Quote: 755962

Yes, and with Iran to renegotiate the supply agreement of S-300, in the light of recent events.

Interesting? What was the reason for the refusal of supplies to Iran S-300. What was the promise of the pennies to Medvedev, that he refused supplies. Is it not WTO accession?

[serge348]

Promised candy-WTO + rejection of missile defense.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

he has nothing to promise he, like his friend, the henchman amers, all their policies speak about this and the WTO needs to hold a WTO referendum death for RUSSIA

[Alf]

Rather, they threatened that they would bring down oil, as in the 80s.

[demon184]

In the queue for iPhone 5s 1 put

[Aeneas]

I saw the Old Yugoslavs did get the S-300, but only missiles in containers. They were illegally delivered as humanitarian supplies. The complexes themselves did not come, because they are too bulky for camouflage and blockade. But the south somehow tried to combine the missiles with the radio equipment they had (guidance and target designation of the radar of the old park). Essenes didn’t manage without Russian specialists, although it was emphasized that the yugas tried to oust themselves. Also, in this infe it was indicated that the Yugoslavs still could not use the S-300 missiles. But something seems to me that they did it!

[vezunchik]

it was the Serbs who shot down with old missiles, and the FSB caught the Russian patriots ... despite this, they brought from 300 to Yugoslavia in parts, there were 2 or 3 objects

[serjio777]

Milosevic, it seems to me in many respects to blame himself, bought on the promise made by the amers on the quiet that he would not be personally touched after the war. Defense could be much more effective.

[Dock]

Not one Milosevic, there were also Saddam, Gaddafi, Mubarak and others. Of a lower rank.

[maratenok]

It’s a pity that they didn’t set with -300, it would be more fun

[dimarm74]

The truth is somewhere in the middle ..... as usual ..... Serbs overestimated, NATO understated .... everything is as usual in general .....

[Stas57]

+1
I absolutely agree, like any war, do not forget about the coefficient. pi

[datur]

dimarm74I totally agree with you !!! by the way about the s-300, and yet the yugs themselves then abandoned them !! ours, so to speak, for their debts offered them s-300, but those proudly said that they only needed money type !!!!

[andrew.z]

The truth is as usual somewhere. It is not clear why the Yugoslavs did not present at least captive pilots with a whole bunch? That would be a normal information blow. And so there was silence on TV.

[Gym teacher]

Quote: andrew.z

It is not clear why the Yugoslavs did not present at least captive pilots with a whole bunch? That would be a normal information blow

Because it's a bluff. The Yugoslavs were not even too lazy to drag the wreckage of the Apache from the hard-to-reach region of the mountains. Found and shown to the whole world. And here - the planes are fighting right over the cities - and not a single debris / fragment of the pilot's body

[edge]

of South Ossetia’s reserve ............ who spoke the truth, what kind of media.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

the West praises its ours they say the TRUTH in quotes

[leon-iv]

And links to sources?
Ali write more that their basurman count.

[Dust]

The mention about the fact that if the locals beat with the improvised tool the shot down pilots who had just bombed them, it would be a war crime! Should I probably be taken to the nearest pub and offered a good lunch, coffee and cigars?

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Dust

The mention about the fact that if the locals hammer with the improvised tool the shot down pilots who had just bombed them, made laugh.

There is an international convention and a soldier is captured, and not subject to lynching. Only saboteurs and spies are shot on the spot (I could be wrong).

[Dust]

Locals do not serve in the army, and therefore are not required to take prisoners ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Dust

Locals do not serve in the army, and therefore are not required to take prisoners ...

It is not local residents who decide, but the authorities. Why in each territorial formation (village, city, region) there are police, prosecutors, commandant's offices? If the government cannot deter citizens from lynching, then this may end in disrepair, as it is weak.

[Katran]

So they were bombed by kakraz (commandant's offices and buildings with the Yugoslav authorities), so they themselves were to blame.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Aleksey67 after he killed my family, I must take him prisoner

[Alf]

I’ll just shoot him and throw him away so that I don’t stink.

[Sehiru san]

Precisely noticed!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

quite right amers nowhere and never captive not to take nonhumans directly to the wall

[Suhow]

I wonder what should be the attitude of local residents to the downed NATO pilots, if after the bombing many relatives died for example ??? DON'T bring .... hands would choke.

[Dimon Lviv]

And international conventions allow the bombing of civilians, their homes with them, civilian objects?

So - one can always say that civilians, while killing the pilot, acted in a state of passion, being shocked by the death of their relatives, friends, acquaintances, fellow citizens killed by this pilot!

[smile]

Dimon Lviv
The fact is that international law died immediately after birth. It was destroyed by his biggest champions - enlightened Europeans. Therefore, the corpse of international law is always on the side of the one who has more power. A good example is just aggression in Yugoslavia. And law without a coercive mechanism and apparatus is a set of wishes .... which can be used. as you wish.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

As I understand it, the convention does not apply to this case .... after all, it was an operation to force the Serbs to make decisions for the profitable State Department, Croats and Muslims .....
water them up to sort .......

[smile]

Alenksay67
This is one of the infrequent cases when you are mistaken - according to international law, no strangers, both combatants and non-combatants, must be shot. Extraordinary measures without a trial are permitted only in respect of their own population and military personnel .... non-combatants who destroyed enemy soldiers in these circumstances under international law can, in fact. to fall under common-law articles ... it’s not for nothing that honest fascists were terribly offended by our, from their European point of view, dishonest partisans .... In any case, the voicing of the facts of the destruction of NATO peaceful pilots by the militant population of Yugoslavia would have resulted in several more indicative processes the world's largest international tribunal and millions of compensation .. so that they were simply obliged to hush up such cases.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: smile

you are mistaken - according to international law, no strangers can be shot, both combatants and non-combatants.

Vladimir, thank you very much for such a detailed explanation. . Especially in this area is not strong because he made a reservation about a possible mistake .

[edge]

this is in opposition to the army, and the civilian population does not fall under this jurisdiction

[Alf]

The war, de jure, was not declared and, accordingly, there are no prisoners of war and a foreign pilot shot down over Yugoslavia will be considered a mercenary or bandit, with consequences for him.

[Ross]

Dust,
Right! This is for America. Coffee with a cigar to the killers.

[Yazov]

Not only coffee and cigarettes, but also women to relieve stress!

[Gym teacher]

The guys, even the F-117 pilot, shot down over the city center, could escape from the Yugoslavs (fact! Saved the pilot) - and here you are talking about some hundreds of captured pilots

[ward]

Unfortunately, this is a fact ... for example, I was listed as war criminals for eleven years ... they always play only by their own rules ...

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

the heads will be stroked

[Krasnodar]

An indestructible technique does not exist! Especially American!

[Santa Fe]

All speculations about NATO’s high casualties are broken up on a single fact, like a rock: NO FRAGMENTS

A day after the fall of the F-16 and F-117, the Serbs showed their wreckage to the whole world. We weren't even too lazy to find and drag the wreckage of the Apache crashed in the mountains in a hard-to-reach place

And now, gossip is spreading about dozens of downed planes and hundreds of captured pilots ... guys, I do not mind ... show the wreckage and bodies of the pilots - and I bet the end. Otherwise, all your stories are bluffs and you make yourself fools of yourself

[Dust]

Eh, still to know how true this is and is it true? A list is read very well, if not with pleasure ...
Damn, the first post is gone! How did that happen?
I will have to repeat as much as possible ...
It is interesting if the locals hammer in the hands of the tools of the downed pilots. just bombed them, it will be a war crime? Should I see them being taken to the nearest tavern and offer a good dinner, coffee and cigars?

[Stas57]

Among the destroyed - one aircraft - three or four F-117A (one more damaged)

it's some kind of fantasy
Well, in general, while there is only one, it is always showing, a piece of the wing of which I managed to tear off at one time (more precisely, such black and yellow linoleum)

why the rest of 3 was invented - not clear
In 2000, the Ministry of Defense of Yugoslavia adjusted its numbers and announced the destruction of only 31 aircraft (including one F-117), V. Ilyin. Air war in the Balkans.// Aircraft master. - 2001. - No. 1. - S. 6.

[Bronis]

I agree that both parties inflated / underestimated losses in their favor. But the fact that the Serbs worthily opposed the technically more developed and numerous enemy, who had tactical superiority, is an indisputable fact.
But Milosevic was sent to court not by NATO, but by her own traitors ... and this is an occasion to think ...

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

And we have such traitors who roof drug trafficking, who opens NATO bases, who ditched the aviation industry / I would have hung it myself / no, they are fattening, moving from one chair to another, who are covering them to account who is voting

[Nickolay3145]

Well, if you recall how the Americans screwed up in Grenada, then everything falls into place.

[Jeen]

SFRY was a typical empire, a prison of peoples. The same as the 3rd Reich, the USSR or modern Russia.
It was destroyed quickly and almost bloodlessly, half a dozen nations got the opportunity to exercise their original right - they became masters on their land. And now, in a friendly crowd, they lined up for accession to the EU and NATO
God bless the Balkans!
God grant that the process goes on without blood

[leon-iv]

um Muslims rarely get along well with Christians.

[datur]

Jeen, became masters in their land-- especially Albanians !! gangster state under the protectorate of America !! led by a killer and a terrorist !!!! yeah yeah democracy is striding widely around the world at the tip of the bayonet of their marines !!! after such democratization, you still have the freedom to be killed by the right democrat - well, it's just a fairy tale !!!!

[Jeen]

It is secondary
The main thing is that peoples are their own masters. And how they will manage their fate is their personal headache. The main thing is that no one will be able to drive them into the empire

[jo_lik]

And where were they driven into the 90s ???

[ward]

The hopes of young men are nourished ... about nations ... it's not even funny ... a bunch of bandits decided to take power in a separate region and this is now called national self-determination ...

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

quite right, but it could have been otherwise

[edge]

or EU is not a typical empire under construction, in which everyone else is driven with a club ............?

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

jeen you don’t know the story, we had a referendum and the people said yes to the USSR, and the collapse, not without help from outside, began with the betrayal of the top of the KGB FSB and other thieves in power / the party’s gold / began to be exported long before the 90s and what Gorbachev lives up to

[valerei]

No nation has become its own master, either as a result of evolution, or as a result, especially revolution. The people remained to live in the state, and the state is an instrument of governance and the restriction of its freedoms, up to the suppression of these. Therefore, the true owner is the head of this state. It has always been so, it will continue to be so, as long as states or even ordinary tribes exist. Jeen, well, take and read the relevant literature on states and empires. The latest example of American freedom is Libya.

[zardoz]

And what independence do you offer to Crimea? And in general, from Ukraine, three separate states to make? Is the US not a prison of nations? there are still reservations.

[demon184]

they won’t take you to the empire, you fuck them, they will wave the candy and when you surrender, they will have you in full, there are a lot of examples, but you don’t learn from the mistakes of others

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

datur Kosovo has never been Albanian this is the Serbian land of Albanians sheltered as we are now Gaster and they sat on the neck as if it hadn’t happened so God forbid

[skullcap]

Jeen Today, 09: 33
SFRY was a typical empire, a prison of peoples. Same as 3 Reich
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....... OR MODERN UKRAINE?

[Jeen]

Modern Ukraine is also an ugly phenomenon, but in a slightly different vein (albeit a micro empire too. Crimea should belong to the indigenous people - the Tatars).
The ugliness of the modern state of Ukraine is due to a significant proportion of the population still living with brains that are folded together. Therefore, the communist bandits are in power.
But the process of their extinction is irreversible, so I remain optimistic

[Colonel]

[quote] The ugliness of the modern state of Ukraine is due to a significant share of the population [/ quote
Jeen, are you not afraid to write "a large proportion of the population" as your enemy, or are you relying on a hat to hide your face? An optimist, damn it.

[serge348]

Legally, Crimea should already belong to Turkey. With independent brains, you have already lost the Snake Island shelf. Next in line is the Danube, etc.

[edge]

Well, the Tatars pinned to the Crimea, do not fix their natives write .....

[revnagan]

Quote: Jeen

Crimea should belong to the indigenous people - Tatars).

And the fact that the Tmutarakan principality existed in Crimea before the Tatars is nothing? And the fact that Kerch is the ancient Slavic Korchev is nothing? And the fact that Alans lived in Crimea before the Tatars is nothing? It turns out that the indigenous Slavs in Crimea ? Or the Greeks? Or the Genoese? And the Tatars are just occupiers. So? No, let everyone live together, normally, respecting each other. And the question of the indigenous population in Crimea is raised by those who want to ignite a fire there, destabilize the situation, then bring in "peacekeepers" from NATO and fish in the murky waters of the conflict at the very borders of Russia.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

that's right +++++ 1000000

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

shove your optimism to hell At the krain part of Russia Little Russia and we are all part of the same people and we will all be together anyway and our ancestors decided this 400 years ago so don’t go into other people's affairs we’ll better look at our states somehow kerdyk as Brother said inevitably

[REZMovec]

Well, you and Ch_M_O !!!!

[ward]

According to the latest census in Russia, 34 a drevlyanin ... this is a tribe that lived in the territory of the Moscow region ... You understand what you are knocking on ...

[ANTRAX]

apparently optimistic and stay until extinct yourself.

[Suhow]

is it now communal bandits in power ??? Maybe the Nazis are bandits ..a ?? and merchants like peci and k ??? who are still profiting from the impoverishment of the entire population of Ukraine and its possible collapse due to economic survival. (when a ship sinks, everyone is saved himself)

[andrew.z]

This half-dozen nations are now free to choose who to lick their ass.

[Jeen]

The key word is to choose.
And each with his own choice acts due to his level of understanding and general development. And, I understand why there are no alternatives to the lick position for you.

[revnagan]

Quote: Jeen

The key word is to choose.

But why does the Republic of Lakota choose everything, choose independence, and the federal government somehow does not hear it?

[REZMovec]

Do you have an alternative?

[Rebus]

Quote: Jeen

SFRY was a typical empire, a prison of peoples

"Friend" my only prison of peoples has always been the United States ..... During the existence of the United States, more than 50 Indian peoples have gone into oblivion.
And now the United States is a breeding ground for abominations such as homosexuality, "democracy".

[Jeen]

It's horrible! This is archaic.
I sob in the right pocket of my own shirt
But only thanks to the United States about 20 peoples over the past 20 years have received the most valuable that any people can have - their homeland and their own destiny

[smile]

Jeen
Really. what garbage - well, 50 nations were destroyed, but 20 were saved! Especially when you consider the benefits of looting, everything is in order! The main thing is that your idols do not forget to fairly thin out the nations that they make happy. Judging by your logic, you are a true humanist, whose rank simply obliges you to be an adherent of napalm, defoliant and legalized, carefully regulated torture of suspects .... but what if they are not tortured, they will become accused? But how to bury them secretly, if they do not admit everything and everything - a truly legal state, secretly burying its enemies, must first confess them, and only then forgive sins and bury them. Is it true? Am I missing anything?

[Bronis]

The smaller the country is, the less real sovereignty it has, the weaker it is. Accordingly, she doesn’t even have much of a choice in whom to "lick" - in the one who is stronger ... on whom it depends. Freedom is a relative thing, there is no real freedom at their level, there is only independence from someone and dependence on someone. It is precisely this length of the leash that is called "freedom". And in the case of the Balkans, this leash is not so long. War crimes were committed by militants to a much greater extent than by regular troops. Only they did not get to the tribunal and were held in high esteem by their "democratizers". There are only Serbs in the tribunal. So much for the leash length.

[andrew.z]

Thank you so much, this is exactly what I had in mind in my comment, but because of my low development and common understanding I decided to formulate convexly :)

[revnagan]

Quote: Jeen

But only thanks to the United States about 20 peoples over the past 20 years have received the most valuable that any people can have - their homeland and their own destiny

I am touched. Indeed, the collapse of states, tens of thousands of civilians killed in Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Grenada., Etc. and so on. They had to ensure that the survivors in these countries received a homeland occupied by the oil industry, destroyed infrastructure and a hopeless destiny of their own. From emotion, I just blow bubbles. Wow !!!

[kush62]

Americans got bobos, that's for sure! In Libya alone, so many independent tribes became, well, free oil flowed to us!

[REZMovec]

Take off your hat, wipe your zenkies ... And go to your beloved Yankees - African Americans and Latinos are already preparing theirs .... to stick it into your "correct" gourd.
Yes, decent forum users will forgive me.

[Alexey Pototsky]

And what kind of ngarad do you mean? Is it not American Indians, not Vietnamese, not Cubans ??? Or probably drug dealers of Albanians and fascist Jews with the promised land?

[kush62]

Rebus
During the existence of the United States, more than 50 Indians went into oblivion.

But they remember them. Tomahawk missiles, Apache helicopters, Chiroki cars, etc.

[smile]

Jeen
You forgot to add the phrase Don Tameo - Oh, how freely you breathe in the revived Arcanar! .... It is clear that the Yugoslav empire is figovaya, like ours ... is also not better ... where are we, sirim. to the most democratic regime in the history of mankind ... we even didn’t even carry out one overwhelming genocide ... even they didn’t even have such a goal ... suckers. in a word, even the Nazis did not reach such sophistication as the most democratic democrats. robbed half the planet. Stupid fascists stupidly wrote on a piece of paper. how much they need to kill for complete happiness .... The beauties of democracy do not write - they act, with no less efficiency. This is a sign of democracy - to strangle hundreds of thousands of people with chemical weapons, to use atomic weapons for non-military purposes, to burn cities together with residents ... so congratulations - your ideal, this is not a prison of peoples - this is their cemetery .... by the way, yours the deity, in the best traditions of the deity of the cannibalistic tribe, treats your fellow tribesmen no better than friendly Indians - so far, having previously robbed you can set him on enemies, and then. when the Moor does his job, you still have to go on your own to the scalp receiving station at 20 cents for one forelock .... Maybe you should go to atheists. and? It is up to you to decide which position to live in.
Then take off. With pity.

[Colonel]

smile, just read. From the heart ++++++++++++++++++++++

[Bronis]

Yeah, and the United States did it in the order of altruism and limitless philanthropy.
And it’s not at all due to putting puppet governments there, military bases closer to the Russian Federation.

Quote: Jeen

God grant that the process goes on without blood

Here I agree - Crimea has been wanting to go to Russia for a long time, you can give it to the Tatars, you must also respect their right to self-determination. Well, in order to completely say goodbye to the legacy of the "Prison of Peoples", in addition to Crimea, Ukraine will have to give: Galichina and Volhynia to Poland (taken in 1939), Bessarabia and Bukovina to Romania (taken in 1940), Transcarpathia (taken from Czechoslovakia ), well, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic also needs independence (there was such an education, its evil Bolsheviks included in Ukraine in 1918).
And believe me, if such plans mature overseas (and this is quite possible as an element of creating problems on the borders of Russia), Ukraine will survive much less than Yugoslavia. I wonder if you like this alignment or not ...

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

jeen USSR was not a prison of peoples; it was like the USA a lever of violence against its people; the difference in the USSR was not private property and financial pyramids, but for dissent and in the USA they squeeze and knock there only we know little about it and about where our people are better for a long time answered where we are not, you probably are not Russian and there are still Uruses you can’t run away from yourself.

[REZMovec]

Isn’t it time for you, Amer’s uproot, to get away from our Ukraine’s little one? !!

[Sanches]

Jeen, Yugoslavia was a prosperous country, until the 90s it was considered the richest in the social block. What they did to Yugoslavia can be done with any country at any moment, as soon as they want, and it doesn’t matter whether there are many or few nations in it, NATO has enough bombs for everyone

[demon184]

it’s they who drive you into a Euro-prison, so that you release your territory as balts, Bulgarians, etc., and toilets for 0,50 euros per hour, scuffle from a super-man

[V world]

Even if the US population knew such information, nothing would have changed. Three houses collapsed in New York on September 11, and there are many facts, including in the American media, that the attack was planned within the US intelligence agencies or supranational organizations. So what? ...
“We will survive it.” The country will become stronger. punish Muslim terrorists ...
True Democratic rams live with the country - the hegemon of "true Democracy"! The US population has long been bent to the ground - it is proposed to instill such feelings of freedom in other "non-democratic countries."

[Professor]

Yugoslavia is a small country, and a crashed plane does not always fall down as a cam, it can sometimes cover a fairly considerable distance from the place of destruction

But not "invisible". Even during his lifetime, he cannot boast of his aerodynamics, and even more so when shot down.

However, the Yugoslavs nevertheless demonstrated the remains of several NATO aircraft, and among them there was one "invisible".

That's exactly one. Only one. Therefore, talk about downed stealthх at least not correct

But it turned out that the Soviet radars that are in service with the Yugoslav army quite easily detect the "invisible".

So easy that NATO only hit one confirmed plane.

The Yugoslavs have proved that the "invisible" are only suitable for filming Hollywood blockbusters about the invincibility of American aviation.

Oh what a pity that the creators of PAK-FA did not read this author and spent money on internal compartments and other "invisible" rubbish.

At the same time, after the end of hostilities, Western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal.

I'd like to read these "confessions", the author, do not throw off the link?

[Stas57]

Yugoslavia is a small country, and a crashed plane does not always fall down as a cam, it can sometimes cover a fairly considerable distance from the place of destruction

not to that extent, she’s small,

from exactly one. Only one. Therefore, talk about downed stealth at least not correct

would have stood in the aviation museum for a long time, and there’s only one.
like NATO confirms that converges

But it turned out that the Soviet radars that are in service with the Yugoslav army quite easily detect the "invisible".

as I read from the Serbian press, a hunt was arranged for him, "well-wishers)" reported when he flew out of the base, caught on "microwaves" (trompe l'oeil), etc.
as a result, he was barely shot down, and this is because the NATO members were completely insolent, and did not even change the flight route.
but again, it's only about one

[slas]

Quote: Stas57

like NATO confirms that converges

YES YES about us they say that we have bears walking in the streets playing balalaikas in quilted jackets and pouring vodka instead of water SO YES CONVERGES IF THEY APPROVE

[Stas57]

Why build a clown from yourself?
Do we have bears walking around Moscow? NOT.

and there is a plane and NATO says they shot down.

[REZMovec]

stas57 - you are our reader .... Do you own Serbian? Funny, you, our ...

[dzvero]

only one f-117 fell on the territory of serbia. the second made an emergency landing in croatia. the other two were supposedly f-117s. so by f117 the score should be 1 + 1 and the last two should be written in the 'UFO' column.
but on b-2 it’s interesting whether the Serbs shot him down or how. too many contradictions.

about how the f-117 was hunted and looked at such a version, moreover, either by discovery or by history: the Serbs used a kind of passive direction finding. to 'highlight' the target, the radiation from the base stations of mobile operators was used. after determining the approximate target area, the data was transmitted to the anti-aircraft gunners. in this way they were able to minimize the active operation of the radars, reduce the response time for the pilot and increase the survivability of the battery.

and about the f-117 aerodynamics, you may not be quite right: looking at the fuselage it seems that any damage should improve that very aerodynamics, here the second after the damage already flew to the zagreb.

[Professor]

the other two were supposedly f-xnumx

This is probably a typo. However, there is evidence of the destruction of only one stealth.

and about the aerodynamics of f-117, you may not be quite right

I'm right. His aerodynamics are terrible - without a computer in general, his flight is not possible.

[leon-iv]

This is probably a typo. However, there is evidence of the destruction of only one stealth.
perhaps from MANPADS pulnuli with damage. HZ, we did not see all these aircraft in a row constantly.

[REZMovec]

So for sure - flies like an iron. And this is the forefront of your favorite amers. It would be better to turn to your German MBB (Messerschmidt-Belkov-Blom) - I think the plane would be better. In spelling the name, I could have made a mistake))) Correct as it is true ...

[leon-iv]

but on b-2 it’s interesting whether the Serbs shot him down or how. too many contradictions.
umm sorry but how could he have brought him down?
As for how they hunted for f-117, I looked and such a version, moreover, either by discovery or by history:
Discovery is like carbon monoxide.
It wasn’t necessary to be impudent, that’s all, otherwise they flew by day along the same route.

[Professor]

It is well known about the same route, but why did you decide that in the afternoon?

[leon-iv]

Dani Zlotan wrote about this. In my opinion, but I may be mistaken.

[Splin]

The first Hawk was really shot down by the Circle according to the data of mobile radio towers, and the second one was tried to shoot down by weather towers (the Americans installed jammers for mobile phones), one missile missed and the other exploded nearby, damaging it a bit.

[Insurgent]

Well, I also doubt about the downed 61 planes, the awl in the bag didn’t hide, and I didn’t show my nose if I lost almost three squadrons

[ICT]

Quote: professor

At the same time, after the end of hostilities, Western military experts recognized that the losses of the Yugoslav army were minimal.
I'd like to read these "confessions", the author, do not throw off the link?

Well, I don’t have data about recognition, but I’ll tell you my vision of this topic,

after the conclusion of the "peace", the troops from Kosovo were withdrawn almost in parade formation (on the territory of Kosovo, like in Iraq, there was no cemetery of destroyed tanks and other equipment, all the airfields retained their infrastructure despite the decimal raids)

[REZMovec]

What else can a NATO taxpayer professor write?
What is his ... is it?
No! NATO is invincible !!!
Where is it written that it falls far from the site of the defeat "Stealth"? There were no other planes there?

[Hammer]

If Milosevic hadn’t been scared and didn’t surrender the country, would have held on for a couple more three months, then he wouldn’t have needed any S-300s ... NATO would have merged with such losses ... And if it came to a ground operation, then it is not known how else it would have turned ...
Yeah, Yeltsin then pissed off Serbia. (((Actually, nothing special was needed. Supply of spare parts and modernized equipment for the equipment that the Yugoslavs and specialists had that could help them install and master this equipment.

[ward]

Alas, four days ... plus ...

[Eraser]

In fact, the photo is not the F-15, but the MiG-29.

[Professor]

Why such confidence?

[Eraser]

Confidence, if only because there is a brake parachute between the engines. In the photo of the wreckage of the Mig-29 that fell in the territory of Bosnia, the F-15 was shot down. It was piloted by Slobodan Peritsch, who catapulted. Unfortunately, ironically, he died a couple of years ago in car accident.

[Stas57]

Confidence, if only because there is a brake parachute between the engines. In the photo of the wreckage of the Mig-29 that fell in the territory of Bosnia, the F-15 was shot down. It was piloted by Slobodan Peritsch, who catapulted. Unfortunately, ironically, he died a couple of years ago in car accident.

and the parachute embarrassed me
Well, then google to help
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeX9651HHyaspmEWkHpcU4p5_Tqz2IVNyz0sBNR
096t2tOUERKdBNfrpsvsA

[Professor]

Thank you for your reply.
To the author of the article "minus".

[Eraser]

You're welcome.

[leon-iv]

oh come on this is Mig-29 9-12 series

[jo_lik]

Well, when Greece was shown about the riots in Moscow, it didn’t surprise you. It seems that palm trees do not grow in Moscow, nevertheless.

[Eraser]

Uh, you are confusing me with someone, "Well, when Greece was shown about the riots in Moscow, you were not surprised." I don't remember writing anything like that.

[arutun]

"+" I noticed this as the article came out, by the characteristic arrangement of the engines and the tail unit of the glider. this is the MiG-29 infa 100%

[leon-iv]

http://venec.ulstu.ru/lib/2000/4_Yampolskiy.pdf
here is one of the most competent open reviews

Here by the way, an indicator that Serbs are men with eggs, unlike Arabs

The airport of Tuzla (Bosnia) from the very beginning of the operation against Yugoslavia was considered a reserve for damaged NATO aircraft. In April, the first NATO aircraft landed there, which received damage from anti-aircraft gunners of Serbia. By mid-April 1999, there were already 12 cars with injuries of varying degrees and 4 rescue helicopters. Also - a couple of transport aircraft (that the staff brought).
6 J22 (Yugoslav attack aircraft), 2 MiG-21s and 1 Galeb G4 (also a Yugoslav craft) took part in the raid on this airfield. The place of basing is the airfield of Ponikwe (then NATO bombed it).

The raid lasted 15 minutes. Since the planes were going to the PMV, AWAC were only tracked 6 miles from the airfield. The first attack was launched by Major Gavrilovich’s board on J22, then three more J22 - they bombed the runways and planes)), 2 J22 and MiG attacked the NATO fighter trying to rise. The Serbs also had losses - one of the MiG-21s (Major Zheliko from Novi Sad) was hit by an air defense missile system - the plane made an emergency landing a few kilometers from the Ponikwe airfield, one J22 was shot down by an air defense system on the way back - a colonel from Kragujevac was killed.
Initially, NATO losses were estimated at 21 aircraft and 3 rescue aircraft, however, then they fell to 17 aircraft and 3 aircraft.
Since April 18, 1999, the Tuzla airfield has ceased to function. By the way, Tuzla’s NATO victories are fixed

The attack on the Tirana airport, where there were 12 Apache helicopters, which were supposed to cover the offensive of the Atlantic brigade (6 thousand Albanian soldiers, usually from the Diaspora with American officers) through the Kozara and Gorozub passes from Albania to Kosovo.
As early as April 13, 1999, 4 Serbian attack aircraft attacked the brigade camp near Kamenice (Northern Albania). Repeated the raid on May 5
The attack of Tirana airport was attended by 4 G-4 in two pairs (airfields Ponikve, Golobovtsy - Montenegro). Moreover, the second pair did not find the target and returned to the base with cargo. It is believed that 5 Apache verts were destroyed in the attack. Yugoslavs had no losses. Serbs believe that this attack did not allow the use of NATO vertas.

[Professor]

Many thanks for the link.
According to the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, the NATO losses were: 23 combat aircraft, 4 helicopter, 11 UAV and 44 KR.

[leon-iv]

Unfortunately there is no more accurate data.
I think that these data for airplanes need to be multiplied by 0,7, and for UAV and KR multiplied by 1,6-1,9 times.
And the fact that NATO is very seriously foiling losses is a fact.

[Sehiru san]

This is clearly visible now in Afghanistan. They underestimate their losses by almost 3 times.

[Tirpitz]

At first, in the Chechen campaign, the number of militant losses was several times higher than the population of the republic. There was such a thing with us.

[Felix200970]

Well, reporting the enemy’s losses and declaring their own losses is a classic of the genre. The main thing is to correctly apply the correction factors

[Stas57]

as I understand it, this is the last one to break away from NATO more or less successfully?
well, so that the country remains more or less intact, the occupiers do not spoil, the army, administration, police are preserved, the territories are certainly lost, but not like Libya or Iraq, in full ...

nothing, that's all 15 years will pass from the war, and they will enter the European Union ...

[ZUI]

I would not say:
Yugoslavia finally collapsed, they formed their own little Chechnya - Kosovo with a foreign contingent. The main industrial enterprises were destroyed (pharmaceuticals, transport engineering, automotive). In fact, the economy was destroyed

[Stas57]

Yes, not ideal, but it's about 1999, when Yugi was gone.
Moreover, Serbia was left almost alone.

Yugoslavia finally collapsed, they formed their own little Chechnya - Kosovo with a foreign contingent

rather Georgia, Kosovo’s accession to Serbia is only in the minds of Serbs

The main industrial enterprises were destroyed (pharmaceuticals, transport engineering, automotive). In fact, the economy was destroyed

it’s the consequences of the collapse of the country, and not because NATO bombarded Beograd.
nobody bombed us, the result is the same

[Gym teacher]

Memo of the Russian soldier

[ward]

look at the results of the last elections ... yes .. for some reason they don’t really want to go there ...

[Shumer]

"With these" stealth ", the Americans generally had a complete embarrassment."

[Sehiru san]

Russian air defense has information about 6 downed stealth. 2 of them were shot down by airplanes. The rest are old 75 mi complexes.

[leon-iv]

Do not smash her nonsense.
And answer 1 question of how the S-75 could shoot when it wasn’t part of the FRY air defense, their EMIPs were written off in 92.
There were S-125
How a firing station can hold an F-117. And when the goblin was shot down, they were pointing along the heat trail. After this error, Omerikachechi did not step on this rake.

[Sehiru san]

Are you the cutest thing about air defense? Maybe we don’t have them? Have you heard about the modifications? For example, about the S-75M3? (in service since 1975) and about the S-75M4 (since 1978)
And what about the shooting modes in radio silence mode? (in the conditions of use of anti-radar missiles)

[leon-iv]

I have a little.
Let’s talk then about the possibility of the CHP-75M4 for selection in the presence of interference + constant hits PRR
And what about the shooting modes in radio silence mode?
And who gave TSU on the tracks?
In passive mode, it could be induced (but not shoot) only to the optical channel, which was just the same introduced on the M4

So in what units in the FRY were the S-75?
PS And what missiles of the series 20 had AGSN?

[Sehiru san]

According to reports, about 3 divisions remained. And the shooting was carried out just using a tele-optical sight. Who gave the target designation is unknown to me.

[scrack]

Or maybe 125?

[Sehiru san]

They naturally also worked. I called up with the retired Air Defense Colonel. (to ours) He says at that time they were just shocked that the "old women" worked (about 3 divisions remained) But 125 also made their contribution.

[Vanek]

Beautifully he is there (pictured).

[Volkhov]

MiG - 29 Yugoslav army.

[Gym teacher]

Quote: Volkhov

Beautifully he is there (pictured).

But Vanka has the rank of "Colonel General". These are the cardboard generals-experts on our forum!

[Volkhov]

This photo has been known since the nineties, I don’t remember the name of the pilot, but the point is that it took off to intercept, spun to fuel, catapulted and the plane fell flat, there was no explosion and big fire, because tanks are empty, rockets are fired. only the grass burned with residues.
Yugoslavs flew single planes towards groups of up to 20 cars, and Avax saw take-off, so that afterburner, low altitude, oncoming launch and a little maneuvering.

[Dr. Pilyulkin]

It is strange to believe that the States are underestimating their losses so as not to injure their pride. I believe that the Americans are doing everything right. They are not going to finish making messes around the world. Therefore, morale must be kept in check in the army and society. Nobody forgot the anti-war actions of the times of the Vietnam War. Imagine what would happen if these data in the countries of the NATO block were not hushed up?
The teachings of Dr. Goebels were not in vain. There are worthy students. We need to learn how to wage information wars.

[Stas57]

it’s the normal policy of any army at all times around the world to underestimate and increase the losses of the enemy,
but for some reason this is surprising to many.

[jo_lik]

Quote: Stas57

this is surprising to many.

When pi ... mi are measured, it is "FACTS" that sound. And suddenly "FACTS" are not on their side.

[mib1982]

Very interesting article, thanks for the info.

[scrack]

Interestingly, invisible and B-52s shot down Iraq and Afghanistan?

[Denzel13]

In Iraq, yes for sure

[Nu daaaa ...]

Can you link?

[Denzel13]

Read the article, just finished. And this is only the "Desert Storm" period.

[Stas57]

Denzel13,
model?

[Nu daaaa ...]

No, about the fact that in Iraq and Afghanistan they shot down the invisibles and the B-52.

[Kars]

Quote: Nu daaaa ...

B-52.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
welcome ---- only of course, according to the American version, he inflicted damage to himself from the tail firing point of self-defense.
Really lovely?

[Nu daaaa ...]

During Operation Desert Storm, B-52G bombers flew 1624 sorties and dropped 25 tons of bombs. 700 aircraft took part in the raids. And while losing only one plane, not bad. At the same time, they did not shoot down, but damaged - the car did not reach the Diego Garcia atoll a little. Search and rescue Sea King spotted a Boeing splash down 64 km from the atoll; found four members of the Fortress crew, three of them were alive. And about the invisible ones?

[Stas57]

Quote: Kars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
welcome ---- only of course, according to the American version, he inflicted damage to himself from the tail firing point of self-defense.
Really lovely?

and what is lovely? someone said that he was shot down?
or are we now going to blame all the accidents on the Iraqi army?

[Kars]

Quote: Stas57

and what is lovely?

learn to understand irony. and develop a sense of humor - it helps in life.

But no, you, as we can, do not believe in accidents in the US Air Force.
Especially, even in my thoughts, I can’t even suggest a hint that in the Yugoslav operation Apache helicopters were attacked by the Yugoslavs, the most modern, sophisticated helicopter with full forcemeat simply hooked the power line and crashed. Twice.

[Vadzja]

You need to learn from the mistakes of others. To author + per article

[Katran]

Yugoslavia is not a state there, let's not forget that it is almost the only European state that could successfully confront Hitler in World War II, if not for the civil war and the betrayal of Russia, the entire NATO bloc would still lead unsuccessful bloody battles in the Balkans. And as for the objectivity of the information, it is true somewhere in the middle, but if at least half of the list of fighting losses is true, then you can say so not so terrible as he painted himself, well, if the B-2 Serbs shot down I can only sympathize with the US taxpayers The price of this bird is up to 2 billion US dollars. For comparison, the defense budget of Ayberbaizhan, the militarization of which has recently been devoted so much to articles on many sites, totals only $ 2011 billion in 3, so you could buy just half a ton of B-2 for all this heap of money.

[Stas57]

Quote: Katran

let's not forget that this is almost the only European state that was able to successfully confront Hitler in World War II,

stop, stop, the country was occupied by the Germans and liberated by the Soviet troops together with the partisans, what kind of success is it when part of your country is supported / and vice versa by the fascists (Croatia), part of the Britons (Chetniks), part of the councils (tito), and the country is in severe occupation.
partisan yes, very, very strong, but was able to successfully resist-too menacingly said how not to twist not PMV.


PS, by the way, there are many consider WWII type of our civilian, and it is a little forgotten, unlike PMV (mirror like ours)
I personally saw a lot of abandoned monuments to those killed in WWII

[Katran]

The People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia was the fourth largest in number from the armies of the anti-Hitler coalition (after the armies of the USSR, USA and Great Britain). Until 1944, it, in fact, single-handedly held the “second front” in Europe, at various times fettering from 12 to 15 German divisions, not counting Italian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Croatian units and armed nationalist groups

[Stas57]

Until the 1944 of the year, she, in fact, single-handedly held the “second front” in Europe, at various times fettering from German 12 to 15 divisions,[source not specified 714 days],

You can look at the number of AK in 42-43- 380 thousand (NOAU-236 thousand)
or Romanian in 45m (although more likely less than 800tys NOUA)
your phrase, IMHO is not built correctly, which does not cancel the heroism of the peoples of Yugoslavia in WWII.
Well, let’s leave this argument of numbers, I admit that I am wrong)))

[Gym teacher]

I neighing. The article describes dozens of downed NATO aircraft, but the author didn’t have at least a few illustrations - I had to put a photo of the downed MiG-29 ... and what to do ... there are no fragments of American planes or pilot bodies ... there is only a bluff

[Katran]

So it’s sad if the invaders weren’t given a worthy rebuff, then you need to grieve and not laugh

[Gym teacher]

If at the same time people remained human beings, and in Yugoslavia a 10-year civil war ended, then nothing bad happened.

And attempts to manipulate facts and fantasies, as the valiant Yugoslavs shot down F-117 stealth in packs, cause only laughter and aversion to Kremlin propaganda

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Fizruk

and in Yugoslavia, a 10-year civil war ended,

The war ended and the tension remained, I think that this is not the last conflict in the territory of the former Yugoslavia.
* March 19, 2003 - at least 18 F-117A (40% of the total number of those in service), according to Ukrainian researcher Konstantin Kolontayev, were lost during a raid on Baghdad.

The US Air Force intended to operate the F-117 at least until 2018, but the lack of money for the purchase of new multi-purpose F-22 fighters forced them to begin the process of removing the Night Hawk from service much earlier. This was officially announced in the fall of 2006. In the same year, the F-117 pilot training school was closed; its last graduation took place on October 13
The rejection of the F-117 is somewhat surprising, and the motivation makes me doubt it.

[smile]

Gym teacher
I think so. that tens of thousands of civilian Serbs killed by Albanians, partly sent to organs by Albanian humanist democrats, is normal for you? Nothing bad happened? In principle, I understand - this is the normal logic of the cannibal and an effective manager with the most democratic identities on the planet ... but are you like with a different flag? Or are you in poor health? Well then. Of course, I understand you - write a letter to Democrat and humanist Hashim Thaci and he will send you an extra Serbian kidney in a blue helicopter ... or the lungs ... or the heart. Just hurry up - there are fewer Serbs in Kosovo, but the need for organs remains - you may not be in time! I wish you good health!

[REZMovec]

Fizruk - tomorrow you Lubyanka. Call ....

[leon-iv]

Serbia has already done everything it could.
and NATO did not decide on a ground operation.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: leon-iv

and NATO did not decide on a ground operation.

U.S. analysts worked well and realized that a ground operation against well-trained and experienced Serbian soldiers could lead to unpredictable consequences and large losses to U.S. personnel (which they most fear), so they used the experience of the Second World War.

[leon-iv]

I want to surprise you, but not every hit is a fall.
Omerikanechey good planes do, therefore, many reached out to their airfields and there were a pile. Which then can be written off as an expired resource.

[Katran]

So the State Department’s propaganda doesn’t make you sick, it’s only the Kremlin’s propaganda, it’s time, secondly, there’s nothing there until now every month some unrest in Kosovo, and it’s still unknown what the humiliation of the Serbian people will result in for Europeans, and thirdly, the occupier should not impunity, impunity affects the next crime, Hitler also began with a small.

[yurasumy]

I have always been interested in the surprisingly fast decommissioning of US fighters. Especially lately. Several hundred or two a year. With a composition of 1700-1800 fighters, it is somehow too much. And everything is beautiful with them. Reduction. Developed a resource. And in combat formation, even on paper, about 1700-1800 pieces. And if the real combat readiness is at the level of 60-70 percent, then in general the picture for the US Air Force is grim. I am stunned by the statements about the unplanned reduction of fighters from 60 squadrons to 53 units. Just in Akurat 10 personnel. But what about the write-off every year of supposedly exhausted aircraft. They need to be added or not. If not, then what is this unplanned reduction, if the planned write-off of "exhausted resources" is about the same. And if we add (which is unlikely), then the picture is generally not decent. If you believe the statistics of aircraft in service, then without any wars in 10 years from the US Air Force, almost nothing will remain. They have nothing to change yet. And a crude aircraft in the series, as the experience of the F-117 has shown, is very fraught. Although one more thing strikes me. The US writes about the Super Hornet and the F-16, which is supposedly always ready for production. But now the situation of the lack of aircraft in fighter aircraft is obvious. Their generals trumpet this. So start the line. At least in exchange for the exhausted resource. A hundred a year. The conveyor is adjusted. Stretch out to F-35 somehow. So no. All some unsubscriptions. They say we'll wait a little longer. Maybe the F-35 will take off after all. And it seems to me everything is easier. They can no longer produce anything. And the massive write-off of equipment is the concealment of losses. And if the F-35 flies by, then the pipe to their air supremacy in the near future. In principle, the shot down plane, as it were, has also exhausted its resource. Maybe they are not lying.

[Eraser]

That yes, compare their Air Force plus Navy with any other country and cry from the poor Americans. I don’t know what you think the f-117 experience showed, all the planes would have such statistics. And the F-35 flies, 35 planes already, here is a plate on the ratio of the flight to the plan. And what is there "unparalleled in the world" is there infa? Or, as usual - "all is well beautiful marquis"

[ward]

Yura Do not worry ... I gave a link to the site of the American Association of Undertakers ... they have a detailed military loss ... so the next day the site went away ... the information war however .. plus ...

[wolverine7778]

And the coin has a second side. The losing side is interested in the evidence of the enemy’s large losses, because the winner of the war does not care about the losses.

[sedoii]

To the author (article) plus, the analysis is convincing.

[an-sar]

This should be discussed and shown as much as possible !!!

[LOMiK]

Yes, who would doubt it! We in Kagan had losses, the USA in Vietnam was crap. Who cares about American culture? There is nothing to brag about except kina! I am not a fan of medveput, but for me a good American, this is an American working in my country house!

[Denis Kozlov]

Unfortunately, this is all information war. I remember how much noise was caused by the downed Stealth, so if they shot down as many planes as indicated here, believe me, you can't hide the sewing in a sack.

[Russian sniper]

In general, MiGs of the Soviet assembly and the air defense forces of Yugoslavia worked there well

[Vyalik]

That's why the amers were afraid of the ground operation in Yugoslavia. There would have been too much losses. And they are cowards.

[Uncle]

As it turned out that the plane is Mig, and not F117, you stop believing the little article at all. Maybe we all can pee this, take a picture of the downed Messer and write that the Georgian drone was shot down.

[Kars]

Quote: Uncle

not F117

[Stas57]

he is referring to the photo in the article where the Serbian MIG lies, and it tells that the F117 is full.

[Denzel13]

And how does the image in the photo relate to the text? Or were all NATO planes shot down in equal rows there? The main idea of ​​the article is far from being in the photo.
By the way, read the article "Losses of aircraft of the Multinational Forces and Iraq during the 1991 war." Unfortunately, it did not fit into one material, so today it is finished. There I approached the information used in a completely different way, in order to avoid misunderstandings. Do you believe Western sources? Get the whole article based on them and the data of the Pentagon itself. Look at the loss ratio, draw a conclusion and correlate it with the data of this article. An interesting analogy will turn out, despite the fact that no one denies that the Yugoslavs were also more trained as specialists and the eggs are stronger than the Arabs.

[Stas57]

And how does the image in the photo relate to the text?

it’s you who is the author, so answer but readers ’questions, what does the Serbian MIG do in the photo, while you are poisoning 3 f117 stories

The main idea of ​​the article is far from being in the photo.
this is one of the insoluble parts of the article, if there was an ass, would you also say, do not pay attention?
more thoroughly necessary.

By the way, read the article "Losses of aircraft of the Multinational Forces and Iraq during the 1991 war." Unfortunately, it did not fit into one material, so today it is finished. There I approached the information used in a completely different way, in order to avoid misunderstandings.
OK, we will see.

Believe western sources? Believe western sources? Get, the whole article on their basis and the data of the Pentagon itself
my friend, I know that there was not only an air war but also an information war, you eat either her or an unknown insider (such as the GRU or the Pentagon), but do you want objective data ?!
Until there are acts of cancellation of the aircraft (and there will not be 50 years), the statements of the Pentagon, or its opponents (South, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) do not have a sufficient criterion of truth, Everyone can lie! only some we love and believe, while others do not and do not believe ...
by the same F117 - there is confirmation of the loss - there is the fact of the presence of the "corpse" of the aircraft, and everything else is still at the level of fantasies, and not facts

[Denzel13]

And then I, an unwise person, learned to read from childhood, but I just needed to consider just pictures.

The article on Iraq even contains the serial numbers of the aircraft, which NATO itself recognized as officially lost. Or is it NATO that "fantasized" losses for itself? There is no logical dispute.

[Stas57]

where does the article about Iraq, talk about your specific school here

[vezunchik]

yes ... how can you hate your homeland ...

[rumpeljschtizhen]

fantasies of our Patriots sometimes go wild. I consider similar articles to be harm and false self-confidence ..... let the boys on them Falomarf... and some of our "marshals"

[Vitaliy_78]

Anecdote: "
A special US Senate commission investigated and found that American tanks are invulnerable only to American weapons. Earlier, the same commission investigated the incident with the damaged stealth in Yugoslavia and concluded that the stealth is invisible only to American radars. "

[Ljubomir]

If in the SFRY, as the Professor pointed out, 23 "expensive toys" were lost and the tasks were completed (albeit without a ground operation), why should NATO retreat in Syria with possibly a little large losses? After all (as most of them put it on the website) it is incomparable More important? A billion more, a billion less - the United States will not hit the pocket ...

[Alone]

Well done Serbs. Only our government betrayed them, so they could not cope with this rabble.

[cobra66]

If they wouldn’t hide big losses in aviation equipment from not the best air defense systems, nobody would need these planes and helicopters for nothing, for example, McCain was shot down in Vietnam (he flew on the most modern aircraft in those years) and he was shot down from air defense 50 years

[Stas57]

he flew on the most modern airplane in those years) and he was shot down from the air defense of 50
loud phrase, 50 years, it immediately seems that such an old complex ...

Well, why drive the blizzard? C-75 (which is still in service in many countries today) entered the troops in 75, and McCain was shot down exactly 10 years later, he was in Attack Squadron 163 (VA-163), which flew on the same junk 60 years.

[Stas57]

I will add that the troops received the A-4E_Skyhawk, a model aircraft that McCain flew in, in 1956. this is the kind of "old stuff" our complexes were ...

[Horst78]

I don’t know exactly, but a friend, while studying at the military department of the Tomsk Polytechnic Institute, told me that the F-117 was developed against modern radars (decimeter range), and the “Cub” air defense system has a meter range radar. As a result, the F-117 "Cube" is perfectly visible.

[Stas57]

yes, it is already visible, it is "inconspicuous", with the use of "Technology of reducing the visibility"
it's all a movie that like he once disappeared altogether, that is, completely disappeared

[leon-iv]

CHP and reviewer at CUBA DM let your friend study better))))

[Horst78]

Thanks. TTX "CUBA" can provide a link. I don't want to be incompetent.

[Ataturk]

Here I sit and think what kind of Americans are scum, and all who start the war.
Imagine how much money, precious metal, minerals, minerals, energy was spent during the 1st World War, during the 2nd World War, in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere, if this money and all that I transferred , the beast-shaped rulers, would invest in saving, science, poor damn in the end, it would be like living.

Only the United States spent on the war on terror. The United States spends $ 1 trillion. World War II took $ 3,5 trillion. Now imagine what amount is encoded if you enter all countries into the account !!!

Your mother Rothschild and the Rotfellers, how many poor people could be saved, how many people could be provided with housing, orphans could be helped, and this money would be enough to make all the poor in the world heal as normal people. I am silent about where Bill Heitz is spending money and this is far from charity; I am also silent about how much each country spends per year on defense.

You bastards that take money to the grave? We would have enough of all these resources for many centuries.

Horrible! Man is the worst animal of all animals. Animals kill so that there is something to eat, and people kill, sometimes from beyond the land, then for the sake of power and much more.

I recall a word from one holy book. O Adam, how good your Lord is and how bad his slave is!

[valerei]

Speaking of the costs of the war. I, back in Soviet times, it seems in Izvestia I read some report on the results of the Vietnam War, which said that the United States spent a huge amount on this war. This amount was taken from an American source. Of course, nothing was said about our costs. I converted this amount into rubles at the Central Bank exchange rate and divided by the cost of one kilometer of a category 1 highway, which then cost, on average, 1 lemon of Soviet rubles per kilometer. Having received the result, I almost fell out of the chair. With Soviet money equivalent to US costs, it would be possible to build a highway from Moscow to Vladivostok, though in a straight line. Well, if the area, then, I think, to Irkutsk would be enough. Reference: A expensive 1 category at that time was considered a 4-lane road with all engineering structures. One 100 sq. M. the house also cost 1 lemon, on average.

[Uncle]

How the author of the article was offended when they pointed to the jamb. He does not even think of an apology. That's how all the media work, they drain us the bullshit that has passed through our cerebellum, and the people hops.

[Denzel13]

You can hardly judge what I am offended or not. "Jamb" as you put it, is what? In the title of the photo? The photo was simply copied from one of the sites, with the name accordingly. The meaning of the article and the reasons given in it from the title of the photo have definitely not changed.

PS And as for the participation of the cerebellum in the human thought process, I would advise you to read medical literature, maybe you will learn something new. Rude, and rudeness is not a manifestation of intelligence.

[construction battalion]

As a moral prize, the Yugoslavs can chalk up the remaining 60 pieces of F117, because their coffee makers themselves cut like a lousy flock of bird flu.

[Rider]

Quote: building battalion

the Yugoslavs can chalk up the remaining 60 pieces of F117, because their coffee makers themselves cut

F-117 Stealth
First flight - June 18, 1981
Discontinued - April 22, 2008
Stealth was exploited for almost 30 years until the resource was fully depleted, after which they were decommissioned.
The NATO war with Yugoslavia, I recall, was in 1999, after that the Stealths flew for another 9 years.

[an-sar]

It is necessary to write as much as possible about Americans' pateries, make films and show instead of advertising !!!

[them]

Fighters, and what kind of crap on the site all the time writes comments like: Will we go north ... Are they even Russian?

[Colonel]

I guess they are jackals. Descendants of Tobacco. Sherkhan was soaked, but the dogs (red and not very) remained. Now this crap howls at them.

[Roman 3671]

So how did the Yugoslavs defend their freedom? Most of the strength of the armed forces of Yugoslavia by the time the hostilities began were conscripts (its duration, depending on the type of troops, is 12-15 months). The reserve numbered about 400000 people. By the beginning of hostilities, the Yugoslav Air Force included: no more than 13 MiG-29 fighters; no more than two MiG-29UB combat training aircraft; no more than 35 MiG-21bis fighters; 12 fighter-bombers MiG-21MF, 21 "Orao" and 21 G-4 "Super Galeb" (having very limited combat capabilities when operating against a strong enemy); 16 MiG-21R and 17 Orao 1R reconnaissance aircraft. The Air Force's anti-aircraft missile units included 14 divisions of the S-125M "Pechora" air defense system (60 launchers) and six divisions of the C-75 "Dvina" air defense system (40PU) with a total ammunition of no more than 1000 missiles (the reports that slipped in the Western press about the presence of more modern S-200V and S-Z00P air defense systems in service with the Yugoslav Air Force do not correspond to reality). In the ground forces of Yugoslavia, as part of four anti-aircraft missile regiments, there were mobile 2K12 Kvadrat medium-range air defense systems (about 70 launchers), as well as low-altitude short-range mobile systems 9K31 Strela-1 (113 launchers) and 9K35M Strela-10 "(17 PU). According to Western media reports, in October 1998 Russia, in violation of the embargo, supplied Yugoslavia with new homing heads, warheads and fuses for 9MZ missiles of the Kvadrat air defense system, which significantly expanded the combat capabilities of this complex.

Two anti-aircraft missile regiments were in Kosovo as part of the 3rd Army. In early October 1998, batteries of the Kvadrat air defense missile system were deployed in the area of ​​the cities of Pristina, Dyakovitsa and Glogovac. It was on them that in the future the main burden of the fight against NATO strike aircraft fell.

In addition, the troops in relatively large numbers (850 units) had 9K32 Strela-2, 9K32M Strela-2M, 9K34 Strela-3 and 9K310 Igla-1 portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS).
The anti-aircraft artillery of the ground forces was consolidated into 11 anti-aircraft artillery regiments equipped with outdated systems with a caliber of 20 to 57 mm. By the beginning of hostilities, the aggressor opposed these very limited forces with 680 combat aircraft of the Air Force (including 488 - the US Air Force) stationed in Italy (Aviano airbases, Istrana, Joya del Coya), Germany, Great Britain and the United States, 421 support aircraft, 49 reconnaissance aircraft and 109 helicopters (1259 aircraft in total). The fleet of combat aircraft was represented by strategic bombers В-1В, В-2А and В-52Н (USA), as well as tactical aircraft А-10А (USA), F-15C, F-15Е (USA), F-16A, F- 16AM (Belgium, Holland), F-16C (USA), F / A-18C (Spain, Canada), F-104S (Italy), Tornado (UK, Germany, Italy), Jaguar (UK, France ), "Harrier" (Great Britain), "Mirage" 2000 (France).

In the Adriatic, the French aircraft carrier Foch was deployed (aircraft fleet - F-8 Krusader fighters, Super Etandar attack aircraft and Etandar reconnaissance aircraft), the British multipurpose nuclear submarine Splendid, as well as two destroyers and six frigates of various NATO countries. In the Mediterranean Sea, there were ships of the 6th American Fleet, headed by the atomic multipurpose aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt (on board there were 22 F-14A and 24 F / A-18C fighters, four EA-ZV electronic warfare aircraft, and four E-2S AWACS aircraft , eight S-3B anti-submarine aircraft and seven helicopters). In addition, the American formation included the Albukirk, Miami and Hampton multipurpose nuclear submarines, three missile cruisers, five destroyers, the La Salle command ship, the Nassau universal amphibious assault ship, two landing ships, four minesweepers and 11 auxiliary vessels. The US and British ALLs, as well as the cruisers and destroyers of the US 6th Fleet, had about 600 Tomahawk cruise missiles. Subsequently, NATO forces in theater of operations were constantly building up. Http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/europe/bairwar/bairwar.html

[teplal]

If this is true, then it is not known who won!

[Stalinets]

If ... if ... There is nothing worse than the subjunctive mood. Let's see how we will fight them. Serbs did not scare. Or rather not all. Although they fought reluctantly. Our guys who volunteered wrote about this.

[pilot mk]

It is clear why the Americans themselves did not climb into Libya and are afraid of Syria))))))

[Sanches]

The United States has its own special reason to conceal losses - their army is contractual, and if they find out that the losses are not zero, they will demand a higher payment or will not go at all. There are now mostly African and Latin Americans from the slums, only they are satisfied with the payment

[iwanniegrozny]

about the two downed Polish MiG-29s - complete bullshit. There are not so many of them to cover up the loss of two cars. And they weren't there

[Mussawelli]

You don’t have to look far for an example, the Sunni triangle was barely taken and then lost recently. But the Americans didn’t take Fallujah, they lost, as they say, 11 Abrams tanks and about 500 marines (but security organizations took part in the assault, the losses of which were never reported because this is not the US army, but private owners). As a result, they used phosphorus chemical weapons against 4 thousand partisans in the city and burned everything there along with civilians. In a word, typical crusaders of the 21st century, who swagger more, but in fact, a dressed-up local resident who recently took a machine gun is worth 10 US Marines. My opinion would be if the war against the West we defeat the cowardly enemy and even fight on their land (after all, the USA only attacks and does not know how to defend itself)! God knows the whole world hates the USA!

[Roman 3671]

Here are just a few combat episodes involving Yugoslav fighters dating back to the first days of fighting.

On March 24 at 20.30, Lieutenant Colonel Ljubisa Kulacin from the Vityazi squadron took off his MIG-29 with the task of covering the plane of Major Nebojsa Nikolic, which was shot down by NATO fighters during a patrol flight over the borders of Serbia (even before the official start of hostilities). Kulachin conducted a maneuverable air battle with several enemy fighters for 15 minutes, after which he landed safely at an alternate airfield. Nikolic managed to get out of the battle, breaking away from the enemy, but the pilot had to abandon the heavily damaged aircraft.
On the night of the first NATO air raid, Lieutenant Colonel Slobodan Peric was on combat duty in full readiness for takeoff in the cockpit of his MiG-21 at the airfield in the Lazarevica area. Having received the command to take off, he headed towards the state border at an extremely low altitude, camouflaging himself with the folds of the terrain and receiving guidance commands from the ground. Suddenly, literally head-on, Peric collided with a pair of enemy fighters. On the first approach, the pilot shot down one enemy plane (probably a Tornado fighter-bomber), but his “instant” was also hit by a missile from a covering fighter (apparently a Dutch F-16AMBBC), after which he lost control. The Serbian pilot managed to eject safely.

Lieutenant Colonel Milorad Milutinovic took off in a MiG-21 a few minutes after Yugoslav air defense systems detected a large group of “foreign aircraft” violating the country’s air border. Having carried out the guidance commands, Milutinovic found himself in the very center of a large group of NATO aircraft moving deep into Serbia. His vehicle was promptly detected by the enemy, who received target indications from the E-ZS Sentry AWACS aircraft, so a surprise attack was out of the question. However, there was still the opportunity to avoid an unequal battle by “diving” to low altitudes. However, the Serbian pilot decided to attack the enemy alone. He managed to take aim and fire one missile, which hit one of the enemy aircraft, after which the Yugoslav fighter itself received a missile hit. The pilot managed to eject safely.

Major Ilya Arizanov from the Vityazi squadron received orders to take off at 19.00. After practicing the guidance commands, he met with a large number of enemy aircraft flying on a collision course. Almost colliding with one of the NATO members, the Serbian pilot, having performed an energetic maneuver, went into the tail of another enemy fighter and fired a missile (obviously an R-60M). The enemy fighter went into a tailspin and crashed to the ground, but the Yugoslav plane, which was hit by a missile, also caught fire. Major Arizanov managed to eject safely. Already on the ground, he watched as the wreckage of the plane he shot down burned down, the pilot of which, obviously, failed to escape (in the first days of the war, the NATO Air Force lost several F-16, F/A-18 and Tornado aircraft, all of whose crews were killed) .

From the above examples it is clear that Yugoslav fighters acted predominantly alone, which contradicts the established forms of combat use of fighter aircraft and is obviously explained by the shortage of aircraft and the desire to attack the maximum possible number of targets. When approaching enemy aircraft, Yugoslav fighters used low altitudes and terrain folds, which made it possible to evade covering aircraft until launching an attack. The relatively low characteristics of ground-based guidance radars (in particular, low resolution) did not make it possible to determine the exact number of enemy aircraft flying in dense combat formations, which led to a discrepancy between the number of fighter-interceptors and the number of enemy aircraft being attacked (this is clearly seen in the example of air combat conducted by Colonel Milutinovic).

On March 27 at 20.45 in the skies of Yugoslavia, a MIG-29 fighter from the Vityazi squadron, piloted by Lieutenant Colonel Gvoden Dyukach, shot down a stealthy Lockheed Martin F-117A Nighthawk strike aircraft. According to the Serbian pilot, the Stele was destroyed at night after it was visually detected by the first air-to-air missile (obviously an R-60M with a TGS).

The Yugoslav Air Force announced the destruction of two F-15C aircraft in air battles (this information is partly confirmed by video footage), a stealthy F-117A strike aircraft, as well as other types of aircraft (presumably Tornado, F-16 and F/A-18C) . According to the NATO command, by April 30, the Yugoslav Air Force maintained 60% of all MIG-29 fighters available at the beginning of the war in combat-ready condition. These machines were actively used in May, as evidenced by new reports of losses of Allied combat aircraft, as well as American-made air-to-air missiles, which often fell on the territory of states neighboring Yugoslavia. Somewhat later, in mid-May, representatives of the NATO Air Force announced that only three combat-ready MIG-29 fighters remained in the Yugoslav Air Force. However, regular air strikes on the Batajnica airfield indicate that even single MiGs are the object of a constant headache for the NATO command.

At the end of March, Yugoslav media reported the destruction of an E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft. If the information is true, only Yugoslav Air Force fighters could intercept this aircraft over the Adriatic.

[Border k]

Jeen: It was destroyed quickly and almost bloodlessly, and half a dozen peoples got the opportunity to realize their ancestral right - they became masters of their land. And now, in a friendly crowd, they lined up to join the EU and NATO,
And why does the Ukrainian Empire also want to be likened to the same thing? Well, off the top of my head - Zapadenschina, Crimea, Center, Little Russia... huh?

[Roman 3671]

Air Force and Air Defense of the FRY.
The armed forces of the FRY consist of ground, air and naval forces. The country's air force numbers 16,7 thousand people (of which three thousand are conscripts) and is organizationally divided into an air defense corps (fighter aircraft and anti-aircraft weapons) and an aviation corps (other types of aircraft, including military transport aviation).
In 1999, the Air Force and Air Defense of the FRY was headed by Lieutenant General Spasoe Smilyanich.
The main organizational unit is a squadron (16 aircraft); squadrons are organized into regiments and brigades. In total, the FRY Air Force has 8 fighter squadrons, 12 attack squadrons, 4 reconnaissance squadrons, 2 transport squadrons and one helicopter squadron designed to combat submarines.
In 1999, the aviation fleet was represented by various combat aircraft (238 units) and helicopters (56 units) of both national and foreign production: 13 MiG-29 fighters; no more than two MiG-29UB combat training aircraft; no more than 35 MiG-21bis fighters; 12 MiG-21MF fighter-bombers, 60 "Galeb", 25 "Super Galeb", 48 "Orao-2", Mi-8, Ka-28 and other types. Yugoslav combat aircraft are armed with Soviet-made R-3R, R-27R, R-73, R-60MK, 9M32M air-to-air missiles, as well as various types of American and French-made air-to-air missiles and aerial bombs.
NATO spokesman Jamie Shea reported the destruction of 90% of Yugoslav aircraft on the ground in the first week of the operation. In fact, during the negotiations in Rambouillet, Yugoslav aviation was redeployed to underground shelters, and carefully executed mock-ups of the MiG-29 and MiG-21 were placed on the runways and even on the highway, the production of which was put into production. During the fighting, the FRY Air Force suffered losses only during air battles with NATO aircraft.
At the beginning of the conflict, the stationary air defense group of Yugoslavia was armed with:
· Soviet-made radars and air defense systems S-75M "Dvina" (8 divisions, up to 40 complexes)
· S-125 "Neva-M1A" (15 divisions, up to 60 complexes), which were designed in the 50s - 60s.
· Mobile air defense systems "Kvadrat" (export version of the air defense system "Cube") - from 16 to 22 batteries (68 complexes). It was the “Squares” that were the biggest threat to NATO aviation.
· 15 anti-aircraft artillery regiments
The Western media most actively accused Russia of supplying Yugoslavia with the S-300 air defense system. Information about this first appeared in the German magazine Der Spiegel in late spring - early summer 1999. The then deputy. Chief of the General Staff Gen. L.G. Ivashov denied this information. Indeed, under the blockade, the supply of air defense systems of this size was simply impossible. One of the officers of the Ukrainian army, who has now retired, on his own initiative carried out an operation to disinformation the Western media. In one of the missile units, Yugoslav insignia was applied to the S-300 air defense system, and the soldiers were dressed in Yugoslav uniforms. The misinformation that the photographs were supposed to confirm was spread through Western news agencies. As a result, NATO's analytical departments were in a rather difficult position for a long time.
Since the mid-90s. There was a gradual modernization of the air defense of the FRY, but it was not completed.
Actions of the FRY Air Force
The 204th Fighter Aviation Regiment is considered the best, elite regiment of the Yugoslav Air Force. Only this regiment has a MiG-29. The regiment consists of two squadrons - 126 "Delta" (25 MiG-21) and 127 "Vityazi" (16 MiG-29), based at the Batajnica airfield near Belgrade. The 127th Fighter Aviation Squadron (IAE) also bears the unofficial name “Vityazi of Prince Lazar”. On March 24, a pair of MiG-29s of the 127th Air Force took off from Batajnica airbase to repel the first wave of NATO air forces. Over Vojvodina, the pair discovered a group of 24 enemy aircraft. One MiG-29 was shot down. The pilot ejected. The second MiG-29 was easily damaged by Yugoslav anti-aircraft guns (or enemy machine guns?), but was still able to return to base.
On March 26 (according to NATO on March 24), Major Zoran Radoslavlijevic, piloting a MiG-16, was shot down in a battle with three F-29s. Royal Netherlands Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jon Abma in an F-16AM destroyed a MiG with an Amraam missile. This was the first air victory of the KNVVS after the end of World War II. On the same day, March 26, over Bosnia, Lieutenant Colonel Slobodan Peric shot down an American F-15E, after which he himself was shot down by another F-15. In covering this event, the NATO propaganda machine failed. It was decided to present to the public not one downed MiG, but two. As a result, after a television report, Western experts identified the original F-15 in the wreckage of one of the MiGs.
Seeing the hopelessness of attempts to counter NATO in the air, the command of the FRY Air Force abandoned suicidal tactics. There were no more sorties to intercept many times large enemy groups.
On March 28, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Defense Ministry, Gen. Kvashnin stated that Yugoslavia lost 2-3 MiG-29s, over 4 MiG-21s and 2-3 MiG-23s. The history of the appearance of the MiG-23 in the FRY Air Force is interesting. They were transported to Yugoslavia after the Gulf War from Iraq, supposedly for repairs, but, for some reason, in 1999 they were still on the territory of Yugoslavia, and they were not officially included in the FRY Air Force.
An irreparable loss for the Yugoslav Air Force was the death of Colonel Milenko M. Pavlovich, commander of the 204th IAE, shot down on May 4th. According to NATO, it was shot down by a US F-16CJ of the 31st Air Expeditionary Wing, 78th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron. The Serbs stated that the colonel was shot down by his own SA-6 Kub air defense system. Perhaps it was this event that became the reason for the complete cessation of active operations of the FRY Air Force from May 5th.
During the air war over Yugoslavia, there was even a known case of ramming. The J-22 Orao attack aircraft, hit by a missile in close combat (a Yugoslav aircraft, before the collapse of the SFRY, was produced in Mostar, Bosnia. Until 1992, 75 similar aircraft were produced), directed the burning car at a couple of NATO aircraft and crashed into one of them.
Despite the complete dominance of alliance aviation in the air, Serbian army aviation continued to carry out combat missions. For example, the 119th helicopter regiment, based in Nis, successfully operated in southern Yugoslavia. The regiment includes three squadrons: 712 "Scorpions", 714 "Senke" and 787 - "Polar Bear" - transport. During the war, the regiment acted in the interests of the Pristina Corps of the 3rd Army. The pilots showed a high degree of professionalism and courage while flying at ultra-low altitudes over mountainous terrain and over the sea. During the fighting, the regiment lost 5 vehicles - all of them were destroyed on the ground, the regiment did not suffer any casualties. After the end of the bombing, 42 craters were counted at the regimental airfield in Nis. In fact, the airfield was completely destroyed.
One Royal Air Force Hercules, albeit a transport, crashed over Albania on June 14. The cargo was humanitarian aid. But, in the fall of the same year, 1999, information appeared in the British media that there was a group of SAS (Special Air Services English special forces) on board, heading to the Slatina airfield, near the capital of Kosovo, Pristina, in order to get ahead of the Russian paratroopers heading there from Bosnia. In light of these later data, the version of the plane crash becomes doubtful. But there is no answer to the question of who shot him down. By the way, after Rusbat occupied Slatina, 123 and 124 IAE 83 IAPs, equipped with MiG-21s that were “long destroyed,” according to D. Shea, rose from the underground hangar and headed towards Serbia. According to the deputy Chief of the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense, General Regiment. Ivashov, who personally observed the withdrawal of the Yugoslav army from Kosovo, its condition came as a shock to NATO members, who considered it completely destroyed and the surviving units demoralized.
Air defense actions of the FRY
Air defense units of the FRY Army used tactics developed by Soviet anti-aircraft gunners. It consists in the constant maneuver of the air defense system with access to firing positions at the moment when an enemy attack is most likely. This technique, which proved itself even in desert areas (Egypt 1967-1973), was even more effective in the mountainous and forested territory of Yugoslavia. Naturally, the air defense of the FRY could not reliably cover the territory of the country, but such a goal was not set. Assessing their forces realistically, the Yugoslav General Staff set the task of air defense to simply inflict the maximum possible damage on alliance aviation. Let us note that almost all of the downed NATO planes were attributed not to the Air Force, but to the air defense of the FRY. Moreover, not only the air defense systems, but also the anti-aircraft artillery crews operated effectively. For example, on April 15, Lieutenant Zdravko Bankovich, using an L70 Bofors automatic gun, shot down a German Tornado and a French Mirage 2000 over Podgorica (the capital of Montenegro). Despite the slight damage to the aircraft, which allowed him to return to his base, the French pilot panicked and ejected.
In the first days of the operation, the command of the Armed Forces of the FRY minimally used active and passive means of the air defense system, which came as a surprise to the NATO command, and made it possible to preserve the main combat potential of the air defense forces and means of the FRY. At the same time, the use of non-standard techniques and high mobility of the FRY air defense system made it possible to destroy part of the attacking aircraft and cruise missiles.

[Roman 3671]

Speaking to journalists in Belgrade on March 30.03.99, XNUMX, the commander of the Yugoslav Air Defense Forces, Lieutenant Colonel S. Smilyanich, who became the national hero of Yugoslavia in this war, explained some general aspects of the functioning of the air defense system. In the initial period of hostilities, it was built on the principle of three successive levels.
1. MiG29 fighters from the airfields of Podgorica and Batajnica operated directly against NATO aircraft, which at first avoided appearing within the range of Yugoslav air defense systems; in the first week of the war, they made at least 10–15 sorties daily and boldly attacked the enemy air force.
2. Over the entire territory of the FRY, air defense systems and MiG21 fighters operated against cruise missiles and homing missiles and laser-guided bombs from NATO (and from the second week of the war against combat aircraft).
3. Directly over large cities and strategic objects of the FRY, Yugoslav air defenses “hung an umbrella” of dense fire from numerous anti-aircraft artillery, and modernized Strela MANPADS were used for targeted shooting at cruise missiles.
The actions of the defenders of the Yugoslav skies were especially effective in the first week of the war, when Yugoslav MiG29s daily engaged in combat with NATO combat aircraft and, very likely, won individual and joint victories with air defense.
The most significant number of VY aircraft were scrambled on the first night of the raids, from March 24 to 25, when 14 of 15 Yugoslav MiG29, 21 MiG21 and even 3 Orao2 fighter-bombers took off to intercept the Alliance air armada (NATO sources recognize only Yugoslav pilots as “dozen” combat sorties). However, the actions of the Yugoslav air defense were understandably quite confused on the first night of the war: the interaction between the air force and air defense was weak, the tactics of combating enemy aircraft and missiles had not yet been adjusted. As a result, on the first night of the raids, the Yugoslavs, according to their data, managed to shoot down only 1 German Tornado fighter-bomber and 3 Tomahawk cruise missiles. At the same time, Yugoslav air defense lost 3 Mig29 interceptors, shot down by American carrier-based F18 and Dutch F16 fighters, and 2 MiG21 fighters (one shot down, the other damaged and crashed during landing), hit by Polish pilots who distinguished themselves that night, also flying ex-Soviet MiG29s . At least one Yugoslav pilot was killed. Yugoslav ground-based air defense systems at least lost several radars hit by Harm and Maverick missiles.
Subsequently, the effectiveness of the Yugoslav air defense actions increased sharply, and already during the day on March 25, according to sources in the Russian General Staff, they managed to shoot down an American F16 fighter-bomber and several other missiles. The period from March 24 to March 31 was marked by repeated air battles over the territory of Yugoslavia and adjacent Bosnia, as well as relatively high activity of the VJ air defense forces. However, a reservation should be made: during the first 4 days of bombing, the NATO command officially admitted that Yugoslav anti-aircraft missiles were fired against only three of its aircraft (in the case of the American F27 shot down on March 117, they were successful), since the Yugoslavs, in the opinion of their opponents, sought to preserve their air defense systems undetected for as long as possible. However, according to indirect data, the actions of the Yugoslav Air Force and Air Defense were quite effective; The first week of the air war was, in any case, not lost by the Yugoslavs. 30.03.99/13/2 the press center of the General Staff of the VY determined NATO combat losses since the beginning of the campaign at 30 combat aircraft, 7 helicopters, several UAVs and more than 8 missiles. The commander of the Yugoslav Air Defense Forces, S. Smiljanic, was less optimistic, stating that the Alliance had lost “for various reasons” 2–3 combat aircraft and XNUMX–XNUMX helicopters; his data are undoubtedly also overestimated, but closer to reality. Considering the fact that the NATO command generally preferred to remain silent about its losses, the results of military operations during this period most likely look like this:
1) On the first night of the raids, a Yugoslav MiG29 fighter shot down a German Tornado fighter-bomber. The fact of its loss before midnight on March 24 was admitted even at the Alliance headquarters in Brussels, and was subsequently confirmed by sources in the Russian General Staff (later German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder indirectly admitted that this was not the only loss of the Luftwaffe in the Balkans, saying that “several aircraft were lost ");
2) On March 25, the US Air Force lost an F16 fighter bomber. It crashed near the town of Dragoman in Bulgaria (the pilot managed to eject and fell into the hands of local police), and a photograph of its wreckage surrounded by Bulgarian army officers appeared in the Bulgarian newspaper 24 Hours. According to the Russian military, it was shot down by the Kvadrat air defense system (export version of the S125);
3) On the night of March 26, while landing at the Aviano airbase (Italy), a British Harrier fighter bomber crashed, presumably damaged in the skies over Yugoslavia. At the morning session, the British Parliament honored the memory of the 24-year-old Royal Air Force pilot with a minute of silence, although NATO later denied this information;
4) On March 27, the Yugoslav MiG29 fighter and the S125 air defense system jointly shot down a stealthy American F40 combat aircraft 117 km from Belgrade. The NATO command recognized this fact. The pilot ejected and was soon taken out literally in full view of the sluggish Serbian military police by a special task force of US Marines;
5) On March 29, in an air battle over Kosovo, a Yugoslav MiG29 fighter caused heavy damage to a Polish aircraft of the same type, which then crashed during an emergency landing on a highway in the Kumanovo region (Macedonia). There were reports in Polish military periodicals about the death of the pilot, Lieutenant Ewald Kozakowski;
6) On the same day, the French newspaper Le Monde published a photograph of the wreckage of an American F117 “stealth aircraft” that crashed in Bosnia, surrounded by American military and Serbo-Bosnian police - already the second Stealth lost since March 27.03;
7) According to Russian peacekeepers in Bosnia, in late March, in the Brcko area, an American reconnaissance helicopter "Kiowa Warrior" crashed during an emergency landing, returning from the airspace of the FRY with a fire on board.
The fact that Yugoslav fighters and air defense systems destroyed numerous NATO cruise and anti-radar missiles does not require special confirmation: this was repeatedly filmed by Yugoslav and foreign correspondents. The effectiveness of Yugoslav air defense against NATO cruise missiles these days was, contrary to pre-war forecasts, extremely high: at least 25–30% of the missiles were shot down on approach to the target.
At the same time, NATO aviation in the period from March 24 to March 31, regardless of the serious destruction of civilian facilities and infrastructure of the FRY and heavy casualties among the civilian population (according to some sources, up to 1 people), managed to inflict rather insignificant losses on the armed forces of Yugoslavia. In addition to the Yugoslav fighters shot down on the first night of the war, NATO pilots managed to achieve only one impressive success on March 000, when American F26 fighters shot down in the sky over the northeast of Bosnia 16 Yugoslav MiG2s (according to VYu - combat training ones), trying to flank the battle formations that had taken off from the base Enemy aircraft aircraft. The pilots managed to eject and were interned by the authorities of the Republic of Srpska Bosna. In addition, Alliance forces managed to damage 29 JNA air bases, disable several radar stations and stationary air defense systems, destroy a number of warehouses with ammunition and military materials and destroy several JNA barracks and administrative buildings, most of which were evacuated in advance or were empty. The combat losses of the JNA as a result of NATO strikes did not exceed 6–100 people during this period. killed and wounded.
The results of the initial stage of the operation looked clearly disappointing to the West. The first week of hostilities revealed, on the one hand, the unexpectedly high ability of the Yugoslav Army to withstand powerful attacks by NATO forces, and on the other, unforgivably gross mistakes and shortcomings made by the Alliance command during the planning and implementation of the operation. However, these mistakes were, if not recognized, then taken into account by NATO strategists, and from the second week of the war, along with the increased intensity of bombing of Yugoslavia, there was a more effective distribution of targets for missile and bomb strikes and a more thorough implementation of them. Having failed to neutralize the actions of Yugoslav aviation in the air, NATO took not exactly chivalrous, but extremely effective measures to gain dominance in the skies: it began to systematically destroy the runways and ground support systems of the JNA air bases. This operation ended in almost complete success: the Alliance armed forces ultimately managed to securely pin Yugoslav fighters to the ground until the very end of hostilities. To be continued...

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The first days of April were the last days when Yugoslav MiG29s took to the air. On April 5, they conducted several air battles with NATO aircraft and probably managed to shoot down a Sea Harrier fighter-bomber of the US Marine Corps and 2 KR (again, according to the French La Monde, which also names the pilot who died in this case - First Lieutenant Alan L Fitzroy from the 29th Air Group of the US Navy) - these were the last aerial victories of the Yugoslav MiG29. However, on the same day, in aerial combat with a Polish fighter of the same type, one MiG29 JNA was seriously damaged. Due to the severe destruction of the runways of the air bases in Podgorica and Batajnica, which turned, according to an eyewitness, “into a solid crater,” the Yugoslav interceptors were no longer able to take off... In addition, in early April, NATO pilots managed to develop successful detection and destruction tactics enemy MiG29s on the ground at the only moments when they were outside their fortified hangars - immediately before takeoff and after landing. Thus, 4 more of the few aircraft of this type of the Yugoslav Air Force were destroyed.
MiG21 fighters periodically took off on combat missions throughout the week and were used both against the Kyrgyz Republic and NATO bombs, and for patrol and reconnaissance missions. However, despite participating in at least one group air battle with Alliance combat aircraft (April 11 over Pristina), they failed to hit any of them. At the same time, on April 15, American F11 fighters shot down 2 more Yugoslav MiG21s. The greatest success of the JNA Mig21 fighters was achieved on the night of March 31 to April 1, when a pair of these machines patrolling the airspace over the Serbo-Bosnian border spotted 2 American helicopters (probably HH60) coming from Bosnia with a group of American Marines on board, most likely , to rescue a downed pilot who was giving them signals from the ground, and shot them down with P60 missiles. This can be stated with a very likely degree of reliability, relying, in addition to Yugoslav data, on a Greek television report, broadcast on April 5, that in order to conceal losses, dead and wounded American soldiers were sent to the United States through the 427 hospital of the Greek armed forces in Thessaloniki. According to Greek data, of the 25 marines on board the helicopters, 19 were killed and 6 were seriously injured.
The gradual decommissioning by NATO forces of most of the takeoff and landing capacities of VY air bases forced the latter to finally abandon the use of its fighter aircraft by mid-April and hide the surviving aircraft in fortified underground hangars or camouflage them. However, Yugoslav-made Super Galeb light attack aircraft, along with combat helicopters (Soviet-made Mi8 and French-made Gazelle), continued to be used by the Yugoslavs in battles against the Kosovo Liberation Army until the very end of the war. The 229th and 242nd attack squadrons of the FRY Air Force, equipped with “Super Galebs” in April, were dispersed across field airfields in Kosovo and almost daily carried out bombing and reconnaissance sorties in the interests of the VYU group and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Serbia in the autonomous region. The ability to take off even from a dirt road, maneuverability and the ability to hide from air-to-air missiles at extremely low altitudes allowed these small turbojet aircraft to avoid air losses from NATO fighters, and good weapons allowed them to turn into a real striking force in the battles of the Yugoslav armed forces against KLA formations. To be continued...

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Second stage of the air war over Yugoslavia
In fact, it was the longest and most bitter. Along with NATO’s constant increase in the intensity of missile and bomb attacks on Yugoslavia and the transition of the Alliance’s armed forces from targeted strikes to carpet bombing tactics, it was marked by the most massive counteraction from ground-based air defense systems of the Yugoslavia. The end of this period should be considered the moment when, having used up most of its stock of air defense missiles, the Yugoslav command decided to “hold back” the remaining air defense systems until the start of a probable ground operation, allowing only cannon anti-aircraft artillery to resist NATO aviation.
So, with the gradual withdrawal of Yugoslav fighter aircraft from the theater of air war in the Balkans, NATO combat aircraft significantly increased their activity over the territory of the FRY. Striking strategic and military targets on the territory of Serbia, Kosovo, and, to a lesser extent, Montenegro, they began to launch missiles or bombs at the line of greatest effectiveness - from 20–25 km to the target to a position directly above it (depending on weapon systems used). However, NATO combat aircraft have not yet dared to descend to less than 5–8.000 m (the tactical attack aircraft A10 Thunderbolt and A6 Intruder, effective precisely at low altitudes, were not used at all by the Alliance until information about that Serbian air defense systems have practically ceased to operate). However, approaching the target, NATO aircraft found themselves within the reach of Yugoslav air defense systems; In order to evade outdated Soviet-made missiles, Alliance pilots shot special simulator traps, and also tried to shoot down the missile that had “captured” their plane with a cascade of aerobatics. And although this was not always possible, it should be noted that, despite the heroic efforts of the Yugoslav anti-aircraft gunners, their military equipment was ineffective in the fight against the latest Alliance aircraft.
During the second period of hostilities, the JNA air defense forces failed to significantly reduce the intensity of enemy actions; their successes were sporadic, and the still small successes of NATO airstrikes against actual military targets in Yugoslavia are the result of successful camouflage and maneuvering rather than the high effectiveness of the resistance of the Yugoslav military.
However, military happiness sometimes smiled on the JNA anti-aircraft gunners. They achieved their first success in the fight against NATO combat aircraft on April 1, when, during a raid on a television and radio repeater in the town of Fruska Gora, an air defense missile was seriously damaged by an air defense missile, refuting all the forecasts of the US Air Force F117 stealth aircraft. The pilot barely managed to remove his stealth aircraft from the airspace of the FRY, and he made an emergency landing at the nearest airfield in Croatia, where, as Radio Zagreb reported, the “invisible aircraft” was interned. A month later, the American military was forced to admit the defeat of another F117 by a Yugoslav anti-aircraft missile, which turned out to be the most vulnerable of the American combat aircraft used against Yugoslavia. However, on April 30, the nature of the damage allowed the “invisible” to return to its base in Germany. Successfully maneuvering their mobile air defense systems, the Yugoslav military managed to maintain resistance to NATO air raids throughout the country for almost a month, while avoiding significant losses. The JNA air defense units operated most successfully, defending Belgrade, the capital of Kosovo, Pristina, and the country's largest cities - Novi Sad and Nis. By the end of April, Yugoslav ground-based air defense systems with a high degree of reliability managed to shoot down 1 Italian Tornado fighter-bomber and 1 Polish MiG23 reconnaissance aircraft over Belgrade (both of these aircraft managed to reach neighboring Bosnia with heavy damage and fell on territory controlled by NATO troops). This can be concluded based on reports from the American news agency UPI, which conveyed the story of the adventures of the Italian crew that ejected over Bosnia, and the Polish military monthly “Wojskowy przegled historicny”, which in May dedicated an article to Second Lieutenant E. Vschensovich, who died in an emergency landing of the MiG23, with the pathetic title “The Death of the Winged Hussar” " Information from official Belgrade about the destruction of a Canadian CF18 fighter (analogous to the American A/F18) over Pristina during the same period, in contrast to many similar reports from the Yugoslav media, can also be accepted as very probable, since they were accompanied by publication in the Belgrade newspapers “Borba” and "Politics" interview with its pilot, a captain in the Canadian Air Force, allegedly captured by the Yugoslav military. The fact of the destruction of an American F15 or F16 combat aircraft in the Niš area, allegedly hit by two air defense missiles while leaving Yugoslav airspace, the author can only attest to on the basis of a personal inspection of its wreckage and conversations with eyewitnesses. In addition, as Russian peacekeeping officers in Bosnia reported, in April another American F16 allegedly damaged over the FRY landed at the airfield in Tuzla.
In April, Yugoslav anti-aircraft gunners managed to destroy several unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, which were widely used by the NATO command to monitor the movement of Yugoslav troops in Kosovo. It is significant that the military alliance itself was forced to admit rather high UAV losses. On April 7, according to the Pentagon, an American Hunter unmanned reconnaissance aircraft was destroyed in Kosovo by VY anti-aircraft guns, which was the first confirmed victory of Yugoslav anti-aircraft artillery. And according to the Bundeswehr representative in Macedonia, in mid-April, German aviation lost three of its UAVs in the skies over Kosovo; however, the reasons for their fall were not reported, so it is quite possible to assume a technical malfunction. On April 27, the NATO military officially recognized the first loss as a result of a plane crash: one of the 24 US Air Force AN64 Apache attack helicopters, which arrived in Albania just the day before to participate in the proposed ground operation, crashed near Tirana (the crew escaped with minor injuries).
The last period of active use by the Yugoslavs of their anti-aircraft missile systems was the first week of May, when, in addition to the air defense forces of the JNA ground forces, the anti-aircraft weapons of the Yugoslav Navy, concentrated in the Boka Kotor harbor, were used for the first time. Beginning on May 1, they launched several strikes on NATO air forces that were taking off to bomb Yugoslavia from an aircraft carrier formation in the Adriatic Sea. On May 1, a US Marine Corps fighter-bomber, a Sea Harrier, crashed over the Adriatic while on a training flight. NATO acknowledged the death of the plane (the pilot managed to escape), attributing it to technical malfunctions. The next day, May 2, brought another loss to the Alliance, and a victory for the JNA air defense: during an air raid in western Serbia, another F11 of the US Air Force was shot down and fell 16 km from the Serbo-Bosnian border. An attempt to explain this loss as an engine malfunction was doomed to failure: the fact that an American fighter was hit by an air defense missile was captured by one of the eyewitnesses on a video camera and shown by leading news agencies. And although the British SAS special group managed to evacuate the ejected pilot, the wreckage of the plane shown on Yugoslav television forced the NATO command to admit the loss of the second plane in just over a day - the reaction of public opinion in the Alliance countries was close to shock. This shock was destined to intensify further on May 5, when the second Apache attack helicopter, out of 27 of its class deployed to Albania since April 24, exploded during a training flight northwest of the Albanian capital. This time, two young American pilots were killed in a plane crash - the first and so far the only permanent loss of personnel officially recognized by NATO throughout the conflict.
We must pay tribute to the military and political leadership of the Alliance: they found the strength to continue military operations even after such discouraging events. The resources of the Yugoslav air defense were already running out, and the Alliance headquarters in Brussels understood this no worse than in Belgrade. Therefore, two decisions fatal to the outcome of the war were made in Belgrade and Brussels even against the backdrop of this successful week of war for Yugoslavia. The Alliance command decided to once again intensify attacks on Yugoslavia, and the JNA command suspended the combat activity of its air defense systems in order to preserve the remaining anti-aircraft missiles at its disposal for several days of full resistance in the event of the start of a ground operation. Under these conditions, the last credible-looking victory of the Yugoslav air defense systems - probably the downing of a British Westland Links helicopter with a special group of the British SAS on board on May 6 in the Niš area - went almost unnoticed even for Belgrade. NATO, as before, chose to remain silent about the loss of a British helicopter with paratroopers, although there was strong evidence that fell into the hands of the British Parliament, which on May 9 sent an official request to the War Department regarding the death of “SAS guys” in the Balkans. Since the 10th of May, only one real force remained in the skies over Yugoslavia - NATO aviation. The air war has turned into an aerial assault. The third, longest and most bloody and destructive stage of the war for Yugoslavia began. Under these conditions, the action of the commander of the VU fighter aviation, General Branislav Petrovich, looks completely inexplicable, who on May 4 took off without intercepting one of the last surviving MiG29s, was shot down by American F16s and died. In conditions of absolute air supremacy of enemy aircraft, such an act by an experienced pilot cannot be regarded other than as a gesture of despair. To be continued...

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The results of the second stage should be summarized. The main one, undoubtedly, is that NATO aircraft finally managed to gain complete air superiority. A powerful blow was dealt to the infrastructure and economy of the FRY and thus, indirectly, to its military potential. Particularly significant for the country’s defense capability were the destruction by NATO of a significant part of Yugoslavia’s fuel reserves and its production capacity, as well as the disabling of the vast majority of the country’s strategically important bridges: all this reduced the mobility of the Yugoslav army, making it difficult for troops to maneuver, so necessary in conditions of bombing, in order to cover them from airstrikes. An important success of NATO was the almost complete destruction in the second half of April - early May of the Yugoslav television and radio relay system, which practically isolated most of the country from the main source of information and propaganda - the official Belgrade television and radio. This could not but have a negative impact on the fighting spirit and patriotic sentiments of a significant part of the population of the FRY, but had virtually no effect on the readiness of the Yugoslav Yugoslavia to fight to the end, both against NATO and KLA troops, and, if necessary, against their own people: the Yugoslav military had its own sources of information and its own propaganda system, which turned the army into a reliable tool in the hands of the government of Slobodan Milosevic. This happened as long as his policy suited the generals, and he himself was able to control the mood of the military and suppress any opposition in the army.
Objectively assessing the information, it should be recognized that during the second stage of the war, NATO forces failed to inflict significant losses on the VY. The air surveillance and warning system of Yugoslavia, despite the loss of several more radar stations, continued to function without serious disruptions; from the beginning of the bombing to the end of April, only 16 air defense systems were destroyed (less than 10%), several dozen Yugoslav aircraft were destroyed on the ground, but only a smaller number some of them were MiG fighters, and JNA attack aircraft, despite serious losses, still continued to regularly attack KLA positions and border areas of Albania from the air. Hiding a significant part of the expensive military equipment in well-fortified and reliably camouflaged bunkers, the Yugoslav command continued to effectively maneuver field troops, skillfully using the mountainous terrain, forests and guerrilla tricks of the Second World War to hide them from ultra-modern NATO reconnaissance and tracking systems. On April 22, the head of the intelligence department of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, T. Wilson, was forced to directly state: “The Serbian armored forces in Kosovo... have yet to suffer virtually any damage. Our aerial reconnaissance recorded the destruction of only 9 tanks and 20 armored vehicles in the period from April 5 to 4.” And yet, the tendency to deliver intensive strikes against the group of Yugoslav ground forces in Kosovo during the second stage of hostilities appeared and began to grow with each new day of bombing. And if it all started with the initiative of individual pilots who carried out mainly reconnaissance missions over the territory of the region (the Polish MiG7 reconnaissance aircraft was the first to attack and destroy a Yugoslav armored vehicle on April 23; then on April 14, the American F16 “distinguished itself”, which, trying to hit an armored personnel carrier of the Serbian police, was accompanying a column of Albanian refugees , killed 65 and maimed 40 civilians), then by the end of April NATO aircraft were already widely practicing carpet bombing of forests and mountains in Kosovo in the hope of hitting units of the JNA and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the FRY hiding there.
The result of the first period of hostilities was that, having failed to destroy the JNA fighter aircraft in the air, the armed forces of the Alliance “landed” them with constant attacks on airfields. The result of the second stage was the same victory over the air defense of Yugoslavia: having failed to completely suppress the Yugoslav air defense systems, NATO aviation, taking advantage of its overwhelming technical and numerical superiority, forced them to exhaust their combat resources, without themselves being exposed to any particular risk.

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The third stage of the air war in Yugoslavia
The main target of NATO missile and bomb attacks during this period was the grouping of Yugoslav armed forces in Kosovo. This did not at all mean that the intensity of raids on industrial, transport and military targets on the territory of Serbia decreased - from now on the priority task of the Alliance armed forces was the destruction of manpower, military equipment and combat support materials for Yugoslav military units in Kosovo in anticipation of the ground operation, the beginning of which was planned by NATO strategists for the end of May - beginning of June. Now only the anti-aircraft artillery of the VY could offer resistance, and this minimized the risk of modern combat aircraft being hit, and the Alliance pilots could easily “work” on ground targets in the most effective visual contact mode, which until now, as a rule, only dared desperate Polish pilots. The effectiveness of NATO air strikes inevitably increased, especially against stationary VJ targets, and the Yugoslav ground forces could no longer maneuver with the same ease as before, since in the skies over Kosovo they were constantly at an altitude that was small for fourth-generation aviation, but inaccessible for anti-aircraft artillery , reconnaissance aircraft and NATO attack aircraft that conducted surveillance. On the one hand, the reduction in the mobility of Yugoslav troops increased their vulnerability from the air, and on the other hand, it made it easier for the KLA troops to fight, since the Serbs could no longer transfer their troops to threatened areas with the same speed. Far from feeling much sympathy for their European and American allies, Kosovo fighters nevertheless repaid them with more precise radio airstrikes, which worsened the position of Serbian forces in the province. Yugoslav troops in Kosovo finally suffered significant losses from the bombing. The most significant of them was the death in the last ten days of May during an air raid on one of the command posts in Kosovska Mitrovica of the commander of the JNA air defense forces, General Spaso Smiljanic, who did a lot to organize the air resistance of the Yugoslavs and rightfully earned the honor of being called a hero of this war.
In conditions of complete superiority of NATO aviation, VU anti-aircraft guns in Kosovo often remained inactive so as not to give away the location of military units and military facilities. Fire was opened only when there was a real opportunity to shoot down an enemy plane or when it was necessary to cover units fighting Albanian militants. Unfortunately, the anti-aircraft guns of the JNA were never able to chalk up a single reliably destroyed NATO combat aircraft. However, the losses of NATO unmanned reconnaissance aircraft over Kosovo remained quite high. On May 14, a representative of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Major General Charles Wald, admitted that two UAVs were lost over Kosovo - the American Predator and the French Crecerel. The Bundeswehr stated that on May 18 one German UAV did not return from a reconnaissance flight, and on May 20 another did not return. The last NATO unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down in Kosovo (this time the representative of the French General Staff clearly stated that it had been destroyed by enemy fire) on May 26 - another French Crecerel.
The use of low-flying attack aircraft—A10 Thunderbolt tank destroyers—by the US Air Force on the territory of the autonomous region also brought certain “fruits.” They managed to inflict significant losses on Yugoslav armored vehicles, but at the same time they inevitably fell within the reach of enemy ground forces air defense units. On May 4, Serbian television showed the wreckage of such an attack aircraft (the side number and series of the vehicle were clearly visible), according to Yugoslav data, shot down by air defense systems of the Pristina Corps, and on May 2, Alliance spokesman J. Shea admitted that another A10 attack aircraft of the US Air Force made an emergency landing on Skopje airfield (Macedonia) with damage received from Yugoslav air defense fire.
The actions of Yugoslav air defense over the territory of Serbia were less successful. The JNA's barreled anti-aircraft artillery could not really resist NATO jet aircraft, but it could significantly weaken air strikes by shooting down some of the enemy's cruise and homing missiles as they approached the target with a dense network of anti-aircraft fire. In addition, the laser guidance head of a high-precision NATO missile or bomb could easily be “blinded” by a close explosion of an anti-aircraft shell and the missile would lose its target. Yugoslav anti-aircraft gunners actively practiced such tactics, avoiding many hits on the objects they were covering, which also had negative consequences: NATO missiles and bombs that had lost their target sometimes fell randomly on residential areas of Serbian cities. However, Yugoslav anti-aircraft artillery was able to shoot down or deflect only a small minority of NATO bombs and missiles at this stage of the campaign.
The air war was hopelessly lost by Yugoslavia, which became obvious at the beginning of May, and by the beginning of summer the evidence had acquired the character of doom. The last and largest NATO Air Force aircraft during the war was lost after the signing of the Kumanovo Armistice, on June 12 - a heavy military transport aircraft of the British Air Force C130 Hercules, which crashed during takeoff from one of the Alliance air bases in Macedonia (1 crew member was seriously injured, 11 - minor injuries).
On June 9, 1999, after the FRY recognized all NATO demands and signed a truce in Kumanovo, the bombing of long-suffering Yugoslavia was stopped. The air war lasted 79 days.

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Losses of the FRY during the air war
Even though NATO countries violated all human rights provisions and, in particular, freedom of speech and press during the war in the Balkans, they admit that the damage caused to civilian targets in Yugoslavia during massive missile and bomb attacks was horrendous. According to the most optimistic data, the destruction of the infrastructure of the FRY ranges from one third to half of the pre-war level. In Serbia, there is not a single large bridge left undamaged, not a single petrochemical enterprise intact (in Montenegro, whose government has taken a conciliatory position towards NATO, the destruction is less significant). The damage to Yugoslavia's economic potential is estimated at at least $100–120 billion. In the largest cities of the country: Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis, destruction occurs at almost every turn. Many medium-sized cities - such as the capital of Kosovo Pristina, the Serbian cities of Kragujevac, Surdulica and others are virtually in ruins, not to mention dozens of destroyed villages and small towns, the whole fault of which was that they were located near another NATO bombing target . Casualties among the civilian population of Yugoslavia approached the figure of 2.000 people, the number of wounded citizens exceeded 5.000 people.
The losses of the Yugoslav Troops, according to NATO leadership, look catastrophic. The Alliance military officially declares the destruction during the air campaign of more than 100 aircraft, 120 tanks, 203 other armored vehicles, 340 artillery pieces and mortars, 64% of air defense systems, 38% of radars, 14 command posts, 10 air bases, 50% of stored ammunition and 41% fuel reserves of the Yugoslav armed forces. The enemy's human losses are estimated by NATO analysts at approximately 10 thousand killed and wounded military personnel and police. The Western average person gets the impression of the complete defeat of the Yugoslav Army. However, “for official use” NATO prefers to use other numbers. According to the head of the intelligence department of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff T. Wilson, leaked to the Los Angelos Times newspaper, the armed forces of the FRY managed to retain up to 90% of armored vehicles (thus, the total losses amounted to approximately 230-250 units) and 80% of ammunition. Indeed, more than half of Yugoslavia’s stationary air defense systems and three quarters of the MiG29 fighters were destroyed, but VY managed to save up to 75% of the mobile air defense systems and more than half of the MiG21 fighters. It is difficult to judge how reliable these figures are, but it is obvious that the armed forces of Yugoslavia suffered significant, but by no means fatal, losses as a result of NATO airstrikes.
With a certain degree of certainty, only certain categories of losses of the Yugoslav armed forces can be judged. For example, in a televised address by the President of the FRY Slobodan Milosevic to the citizens of the republic on June 10, 1999, the death of 462 Yugoslav military personnel and 114 policemen was officially announced during the NATO aggression. These data roughly fit into the figure given by Western independent sources for the losses of the Yugoslav armed forces as a result of NATO air strikes - up to 1 killed and wounded (approximately 800% of personnel), but only if Serbian soldiers and police are not included in this figure , who died during this period in battles with the KLA, whose fighters destroyed at least several hundred enemy soldiers and officers. As for the Yugoslav Air Force, losses can only be reliably calculated for individual formations. For example, it is known that the 1th fighter squadron out of 127 MiG15s reliably lost 29 aircraft in the air and 6 on the ground. This, of course, is not three-quarters of its total strength, but at least two-thirds, especially since it is not known exactly how many MiG4s were damaged and whether they can be restored. From the 29rd and 123th fighter squadrons stationed at the Slatina (Pristina) airfield, according to the plan for the withdrawal of Yugoslav troops from Kosovo to Podgorica, only 124 MiG11 aircraft out of 29 were able to fly as of 30/24.03.1999/242, and from the 18nd attack squadron, which had at the beginning of the war there were 8 Super Galebs, only XNUMX vehicles returned from Kosovo. The reason for the loss of the remaining aircraft cannot be determined with absolute accuracy, and it is quite realistic to assume that there were both combat (air and ground, as a result of the actions of NATO aviation and Albanian military formations) and emergency losses, both destroyed and damaged and simply abandoned planes. Such a high percentage of losses is typical only for units of the Yugoslav aviation that actively participated in the hostilities, while a significant part of it was not involved at all and, apparently, survived.
At the same time, the Chief of the General Staff of the VJ, Army General Dragoljub Ojdanich, presented on June 15 at a ceremonial meeting in Belgrade on the occasion of Army Day, official information from the Yugoslav side about NATO losses. According to them, during the 79-day campaign, Alliance aviation lost 61 combat aircraft, 7 helicopters, 30 UAVs and 238 missiles as a result of combat operations alone. The figures are absolutely fantastic, considering that the Alliance itself officially admitted the loss of only 3 combat and 1 transport aircraft, 2 combat helicopters and 9 UAVs from counteraction to Yugoslav air defense and as a result of accidents, as well as damage during the hostilities and the initial stage of the peacekeeping operation several combat aircraft. The real figure for Alliance air losses is most likely somewhat higher, but it is much closer to these figures than the official Yugoslav data. Data published in Sofia on June 30 roughly reflect the real state of affairs by the Bulgarian Army's air surveillance and warning service, which "scanned" the skies over Yugoslavia with its radars throughout the entire campaign. According to this report, during the campaign, the Air Force fighters and air defense systems of the Yugoslav Forces managed to hit (this refers to both cases of destruction and cases of damage to enemy NATO aircraft) up to 17 combat aircraft, up to 7 helicopters, 910 UAVs and approximately 150–180 enemy missiles.
Information about the actions of the Yugoslav Army will be incomplete without, unfortunately, rather approximate information about the performance of the main heroes of the first stage of the war: the pilots of the 127th Vityazi fighter squadron of the Yugoslav Air Force, who fought on ex-Soviet MiG29 fighters. During the period from March 24.03 to April 5.04.1999, 15, they claimed nine personal and group air victories over enemy combat aircraft. However, taking into account the strict rules for registering victories, the Air Force command officially credited them with only three personally shot down enemy aircraft, two of them to one pilot, Captain S. Strakhinich (claims three), who thus became the most successful pilot of the air war in Yugoslavia. The most successful NATO pilot, Captain J. Fandorski from the 18th squadron of the US Navy, flying the A/F363, has one personal and one group victory to his credit. Source: http://pravmisl.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id =XNUMX

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Secrets of the Yugoslav War. The Serbs were unable to use S-300 missiles.....
“Military Parity” continues to publish interesting materials from the archives of the global military Internet. On April 4, 1999, the Jane's news group website published a material entitled “Kosovo: Russian S-300 SAMs 'in Serbia'.”

... According to unconfirmed reports, just a few weeks before the start of NATO bombing of Yugoslavia (March 24), Russia supplied this country with 6 to 10 S-300PM long-range anti-aircraft systems (NATO code SA-10B Grumble) to equip the Yugoslav air defense unit... ..

Several unrelated sources claim that these systems were not delivered fully equipped - without the 36D6 tracking and targeting radar (NATO code - Clam Shell). Sources state that supplies were interrupted by the start of bombing and radars were unable to reach Serbian territory......

The Russian embassy in London strongly denied these reports: “The Russian government denies any violations of international norms, especially in relation to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. The accusations of illegal arms deliveries have no basis."

However, another Serbian military source suggested that the anti-aircraft missiles were delivered to Belgrade without self-propelled launchers. In accordance with this statement, the first batch of elements of the S-300 air defense system crossed the Serbian border by land, hidden in railway cars with scrap metal. Probably, up to 20 missiles were hidden in them..... MAZ-7910 transport vehicles, which house elements of the S-300 air defense system - launchers and radar - are a serious problem for covert delivery. NATO has launched a campaign to find covert supplies of air defense systems by any means necessary.....

Sources believe that Yugoslav engineers are already working to improve existing air defense radars so that the S0-300 systems can be at least partially operational. It appears that older generation radars cannot be successfully adapted to the latest generation S-300PMU2 air defense system (NATO code SA-10D), but engineers argued that they could bring the level of the existing P-15M (Squat Eye) radars and PRV-11 (Side Net) for use in the base generation S-300 system....

Although Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport has denied any supply of these weapons, sources believe Russia has agreed to supply a number of S-300PM missiles. Sources also believe that these missiles were placed in a Russian humanitarian convoy, presumably inside fuel tankers. A convoy of 73 vehicles was stopped at the Hungarian border under the pretext of observing the embargo against Yugoslavia. But the convoy is believed to have eventually made it across the border and is said to have contained four basic generation S-300 missiles.....This report was also denied by Russia. “The components of the S-300 air defense system are large, so their transportation by air, water or road cannot be accomplished without detection by NATO intelligence services,” the Rosvooruzheniye agency emphasized.....

The S-300PM system is said to have been deployed on the Banat plain in Vojvodina, 10 km east of the industrial suburb of Pancevo in the capital Belgrade. Pancevo is home to a large oil refinery and numerous chemical and industrial plants. Fire tests of the air defense system were scheduled for May 30 under the command of Air Force General Ljubisa Velickovic. Two P-15M radars were installed parallel to each other in order to simultaneously escort two NATO bombers... Serbian air defense forces failed to launch the S-300. It is believed that the radars were discovered by F-16 fighter-bombers striking the oil refinery and were destroyed. General Velichkovic and a number of other officers were killed under the attacks of NATO precision missiles.....

After this failure, the Serbs believed that the S-300 would never be operational and probably hid the remaining missiles in underground tunnels located in the southern Belgrade suburb of Rakovica....

[mvg]

Well done Yugi, but there are other points of view... In fact, in the military museums of Yugoslavia there are remnants of 3!!! aircraft .. F-16 (iron), F-117 (iron) and half an engine from the A-10 (which may have flown away on the second one). It cannot be that all 109 birds fell into the sea or into neighboring countries.. :-( The truth, as always, is in the middle... But the “axes” were actually sold... and models were made..

[Stevan Vejovic]

I lived in Pristina during the bombing, and I saw how the KUB air defense system and the Strela 2 MANPADS operated. My apartment was located next to the BЈ military base. I can confirm that I saw with my own eyes how the Strela MANPADS shoot down at least three Tomahawks. The planes were flying very high, but a couple of times the Cube operated, and one missile hit, the plane did not fall, but it moved like a locomotive. During the entire war, I was only once able to see an enemy plane in low flight... Sorry for my illiterate Russian...