The far line of the sea missile defense system is almost bare. At stake is the survival of the ship groups of the Russian Navy.

68
Since mid-summer 2018, a completely serious situation has been played out before our eyes with an attempt by high-ranking officials in charge of the defense industry and related research and production units to fully justify the refusal to fully finance ambitious and vital projects to preserve the strategic initiative of the Russian Armed Forces promising multi-functional stealth fighter T-50 PAK FA (Su-57) and the main combat tank next generation T-14, designed on the basis of the unified heavy tracked platform "Armata". So, the statements of the head of the State Duma commission on legal support for the development of defense industry organizations Vladimir Gutenev, as well as Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation for the defense industry, Yuri Borisov, about the allegedly beyond the common man's understanding of the high cost of large-scale production and "thin services" of these machines (for the media, everything was presented precisely in such a form) brought out of the peace of mind a rather impressive contingent of our and many other news and military analytical resources.





Later, in early September, harsh reality was slightly embellished by the news about the release and delivery to the Russian Army tank units of an experimental military party of 132 T-14, T-15 and T-16 ARVs until 2022, about which during the international military Army-2018 technical forum was announced by Deputy Head of the Russian Defense Ministry Aleksey Krivoruchko. Nevertheless, it could be noted that this was not a fresh contract between the Ministry of Defense and JSC Uralvagonzavod Scientific Industrial Corporation, but a re-announcement of a deal already concluded by the beginning of 2016, which provided for the delivery of 70 T to tank brigades -14 Armata by the beginning of 2020. Whether Uralvagonzavod will be allocated the necessary funds for the announced rate of release of the MBT T-14 and BMP T-15 is not entirely clear. If we talk about a promising aviation complex front-line aviation Su-57, then everything is generally written with a pitchfork on water. So, by 2020 only a couple of Su-57s will gain operational combat readiness, which will soon go into service with the 4th Red Banner Combat Use and Retraining Center of the Russian Air Force Chkalov in Lipetsk.

But if the situation with the critical rate of renewal of the Russian Aerospace Forces by tactical aviation of the 5th generation can at least partially be compensated by intensifying the production of multi-functional 4 ++ generation fighters (Su-30SM, Su-35S and MiG-35) with airplanes A-100 RLDN (as well as a small number of Armata T-14 tanks can be partially replenished with extremely armored T-90M equipped with Arena-M active defense systems), the absence of a full-fledged anti-ballistic missile defense for naval strike groups navy fleet Unfortunately, Russia has absolutely nothing to cover. Indeed, in order to cover the Russian Navy’s formations in remote areas of the World Ocean, it is necessary to have in the surface component either advanced naval anti-aircraft missile systems of short, medium and long range, or modern carrier-based tactical aviation capable of intercepting any (even ultra-small) enemy air attack means airborne radars with PFAR and AFAR and missiles RVV-SD.

The second option can be immediately excluded. Only a small 279-th separate ship-based fighter air regiment deployed aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov TAKR, which had been set up for dock repair, and represented by deck fighters Su-33 and MiG-29КК / KUB with outdated H001K and Zhuk-M fighters, is not running; the only carrier-based strike force of the Russian Navy from the 55 — 60 of the most modern carrier-based fighter jets F / A-18E / F “Super Hornet” even by one American AUG. On the successful interception of more than 100 AGM-158C LRASM and AGM-84G / N anti-ship missiles launched from the Super Hornet suspension units, Su-33 and MiG-29К / KUB also do not speak: the maximum - 15-30 intercepted " Garpunov "and" LRASM "with the help of P-27EP and RVV-SD. Why so little?

Yes, because in parallel with the interception of anti-ship missiles at the far approaches to Admiral Kuznetsov, Su-33 and MiG-29K / KUB will have to conduct an unequal air battle with F / A-18E / F, equipped with AFAR-radars AN / APG-79 and air combat missiles AIM-120D. And this is without taking into account the support of Super Hornets by EW EA-18G “Growler” aircraft, which will be able to purposefully suppress the “ancient” radars of our deck “Dryers” and MiGs with response imitation and noise interference by means of perspective suspension containers of electronic countermeasures AN / ALQ-249 “ Next Generation Jammer ”, high-energy antenna modules of which are represented by active phased arrays, transmission modules of which are made on the basis of gallium nitride (GaN). Our Su-33 and MiG-29K, the geometrical dimensions of the radio transparent fairings which allow to place AFAR-RLS Н011 Bars and Zhuk-AE, continue to be in combat duty with the old radar stations that are not absolutely technically relevant to the challenges of the XXI century.

Therefore, in our case, all tasks related to the formation of a layered air defense / missile defense system of Russian naval strike groups can be assigned exclusively to modern shipboard anti-aircraft missile systems. And today in this component of the naval air defense there was formed a sickly “breach”, which consists in the loss of the possibility of intercepting any enemy air attacks on the distant approaches to the CCF. Initially, such a conclusion is valid only as applied to a low-freeboard portions, which are outside the radio horizon radar target illumination 3R41 "Wave" and 30N6E included in the architecture of the ship S-300F "Fort" and C-300FM "Fort M", because 5B55PM and 48Н6Е2 anti-aircraft missiles are equipped with semi-active radar GPS that require regular illumination from the ship's on-load tap-changer (up to the target's defeat), which is impossible beyond the limits of the radio horizon.

Today, the majority of surface ships equipped with long-range "Forts" are either chained to slipways or delivered to the dry docks of ship-repair enterprises for carrying out scheduled repairs and deep modernization. In particular, the heavy nuclear missile cruiser of the 1144.2М pr. Is undergoing a comprehensive modernization with the upgrade of the armament and radar systems at the berths in Severodvinsk and will be handed over to the fleet no earlier than 2021 of the year, the missile cruiser of the VNYAR pr. 1164 will also be sent for modernization, and its sistership - missile cruiser 1164.5 Ave. “Moscow” is in Sevastopol in anticipation of the final decision of the Main Committee of the Navy regarding its future fate. Thus, in the near future, only the 2 of the ship (TARC Peter the Great and the Marshal Ustinov RRC) can remain in the Russian Navy, capable of forming for our CCG long-range anti-aircraft prohibitions and restrictions on access and maneuver A2 / AD. In other words, the crisis of the operational and tactical capabilities of the Russian Navy to close the airspace for the enemy over the areas of future naval operations.

For example, if earlier, when the number of carrier cruisers of the Fort / -M complexes was enough to head several KUG long-range campaigns at once, NATO naval antisubmarine aircraft were forced to keep a distance of about 90 — 150 km from our order (depending on “Fort”), against the background of the absence of these ships as part of our naval formations Orions, Poseidons and other cruise scum of naval aviation, NATO can safely approach our ships at a distance of only 50 — 55 km (just such a distance Stell-1 ship-based air defense systems mounted on frigates of the “Admiral Series” project of the 11356 “Petrel” project have a kind of action. If we are talking about the ship grouping on the base of the frigate of the 11540 “Fearless” Avenue and large anti-submarine ships of the 1155 / 1 “Take away / -II”, then enemy aircraft can approach the grouping only 15 km, since the radii complexes "Dagger" and two combat modules of the KZRAK "Dirk" are only 12 and 8 km, respectively. The low altitude of the target to be hit in 6 km, as well as the radio command command of the 9М330-2 anti-aircraft missiles, will not allow the Dagger to stop the penetration of an enemy rocket into the zone of his own “dead funnel” directly above the ship (during a vertical dive from 10 — 12).

Moreover, let us voice another tangible problem of the presence in the armament of the naval personnel of the grouping of only self-defense systems. The AGM-15E AARGM anti-radar missiles (or even the old HARMs) launched by the deck aviation of the enemy from the 88 km distance will reach the near borders of the Udalyi and the Fearless anti-aircraft missiles with a still undeveloped solid propellant charge. So, the flying speed will be maximum (of the order of 2300 km / h), and this will at times complicate the process of interception and "Daggers", and "Dirks", and, of course, AK-630M. In the case of “Moscow” or “Marshal Ustinov”, those launched from the 90 — 100 km AGM-88E distance will burn out a solid propellant charge and, due to aerodynamic braking, slow down to 1600 — 1400 km / h directly in the ZAKi zone. Here is another important advantage of the presence of ships equipped with long-range air defense systems as part of the TUG.

It would seem that the situation can be rectified by the newest URO frigates of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", equipped with promising anti-aircraft missile systems "Redut" and unique anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M96DM, capable of destroying targets by the method of kinetic destruction "hit-to-kill" at a distance of 2 up to 130-150 km. Moreover, on October 1, during his interview with the authoritative news and military-analytical agency Janes's, Igor Ponomarev, General Director of PJSC Severnaya Verf Shipyard, added optimism with information about 99% readiness of the second frigate Admiral Kasatonov, which Should be handed over to the fleet at the end of 2019; he also spoke about the stable construction process of the 3rd and 4th ships of project 22350 "Admiral Golovko" and "Admiral Isakov", the first of which is being prepared for launching, and the second has entered the stage of docking of the hull blocks. Thus, it turns out that by the beginning of the 20s the Russian fleet will have at its disposal already 2 frigates of project 22350, capable of complementing Marshal Ustinov and Peter the Great in the task of creating a long-range ABM line of the Russian Navy in the sea and ocean theaters of military action.

But the positive background of what is happening completely overshadows the absence of any intelligible information about the successful tests of the 9М96Д / ДМ family of anti-aircraft missiles both as part of the ship's Redut air defense system and as part of the Vityaz and C-350 “Triumph” anti-aircraft missile systems ", While the information presented by the mass media about the successful tests of the" Reduce "on the" Dan-M "target is none other than the full-scale tests of the" near asset "of the complex - the 400М9 anti-aircraft guided missile; .100 "Savvy" blue waiting on the internet with 20380 year. Judging by the photo from the fields of the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2014, 2017М9 is slightly modified for the sea-based anti-aircraft family 100М9-330 "Dagger".

It is not equipped with either a gas jet or interceptor thrust vector deflection system, or transverse control gas-dynamic engines to increase maneuverability, or an active radar homing system, and therefore it is not worth expecting opportunities from the CAMM British Sea Ceptor complex from it. The very impressive effective reflective surface and moderate maneuverability of the Tank-M target (9G) makes its interception noticeably simpler than, for example, the destruction of the promising French-British supersonic RPC CVS401 "Perseus"; and therefore we draw the appropriate conclusions. The only data that official military-analytical resources currently possess is serious problems with the target capture mode through ARGSN of one of the 9М96 modifications during the Triumph fire tests in the 2011 year.


Perspective 2-swing anti-ship missile CVS401 "Perseus" (designed by British and French units of MBDA) should be intercepted at the distant approaches to the friendly order CUG, as the device will use its main "trump card" - the release of two 50 -kilogram small-sized adjustable ammunition, for the destruction of which the computational facilities of the CRAFT "Dirk" and "Pantsir-M" just do not have enough reaction time


And therefore, the anti-aircraft capabilities of the Poliment-Redut complex still do not provide confidence that long-distance air approaches to our KUG will be reliably protected from the penetration of high-precision elements. weapons the adversary. Without the 9M96DM, all the 22350 Avenue frigates will be only carriers of the Caliber-NK family of anti-ship, strategic and anti-submarine missiles, as well as floating 16-channel multipurpose radars Polimer, for the realization of unique capabilities that simply will not 9М100 self-defense missiles. One should not expect the enemy strike grouping from them during the “star raid” of the enemy anti-ship missiles, especially if warrant ships are scattered over a large area of ​​the marine theater due to the peculiarities of the tactical situation. We can only judge the receiving path of the active radar 9М96Е2 / DM radar only by such a litmus test, as the start of deliveries of the first divisions of the Vityaz C-350 air defense system, which had already been repeatedly broken.

Information sources:
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/fort_m/fort_m.shtml
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=22265
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-611.html
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/9m96/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su33.html
http://airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig29kub.html
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/fa18/
https://vpk.name/news/153851_persei__konkurent_bramosa.html
68 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +6
    4 October 2018 06: 11
    What can I say about the article ... ABOUT the ships of the far zone .. After the collapse of the fleet, our very recently began to go to the same Mediterranean Sea ... I hope now for a long time. Yes, we need to build and develop. Build and develop.
    1. +4
      4 October 2018 07: 01
      Yes, we will not reach Cuba as far back as the 60s.

      We will hang out in the nearest puddles.

      But underwater nuclear torpedoes will reach the shores of our worst partner ?!
      1. +2
        4 October 2018 08: 30
        Quote: Titsen
        0
        Yes, we will not reach Cuba as far back as the 60s.

        cube here which side ???
        as the son of the designer of these systems voiced the problem - no frames! The old generation is gone, and the new one is much weaker, and those who are strong are quickly leaving because of financial problems. After all, how long was the creation of a long-range missile for the s-400? and as a fact, it’s still raw - hence all the problems with soaking ..... sad ...
        1. +6
          4 October 2018 09: 50
          Consider no distant fleet, accompanying, necessary identity ... we state as a fact.
          The question so far is for what would be necessary, within its borders, to assemble, update and integrate all the necessary components into a single whole!
          Although everyone knows that there is no insurmountable defense, as well as invulnerable means of attack.
          All hope. that our "Poplars" are still unbending, and our "Status" is unshakable.
          One thing to understand, it is NOT FOREVER!
          1. +3
            4 October 2018 11: 58
            Eat kalat .. everything is lost, everything is lost and this * fsё *? Death to us?
            1. +4
              4 October 2018 13: 21
              Not everything is lost and we won’t win!
              Let's just say - there is a lot to do, a lot of work for the good of the country, for its FORCE and GREATNESS!
              Here, after all, one question - and the upper ones, the ruling ones and next to them, are ready to harness? After all, some calls are already not enough for us; we need to see real things. but not ..... well, you know, the list of claims is long from and to .. somewhere there!
              1. +4
                4 October 2018 13: 28
                Victor- the upper, ruling and next to them, ready to harness? - and they have nothing left .... They will lose everything that is, and working for Russia they have a chance to stay with their own and ..... get rich more wink Yes, it will take a lot of work for the good, but not destroying it. By choosing * cooks * in power, you will get what it is possible .... Everywhere in power they think less about people ... No need to remind about Switzerland and the others .. who have enriched themselves under the Nazis ... and their state is a small area of ​​the Russian Federation .... and they work with the EU .... And let Russia work for 50 years and without sanction, all this will be America in the ass.
                1. +4
                  4 October 2018 14: 06
                  Quote: Kettlebell
                  And give Russia 50 years to work calmly and without sanction, all this America in the ass will be.

                  Victor soldier we are realists and we must understand that no one will leave us alone, because WE ARE RICH IN ALL!
                  Fortunately, OUR PEOPLE are also SILENE, even in the worst of times, our people cannot be broken, not defeated .... but we will never let ourselves be destroyed, never!
                  But at the expense of the rich and serving their power, there are serious doubts .... greed, indifference to the destinies of all but their beloved and greed! Such brain twists are treated only by the guillotine! In most cases.
                  They, very many, have finally lost the coast and talking with them about their native coast is simply pointless.
                  However, those who retained the notion of normal shores have no problems with the people !!! They are among themselves and the mutaten’s power to arrange a lot, this will destroy them!
                  1. +2
                    4 October 2018 14: 23
                    I agree with you-Nobody will ever leave us alone .... And in order to break the Russian people, it’s not square in their place ... Yes, and apparently they forgot what the anger from the Russians is .... And now the moment, the Russian people are more informative, and God forbid, few will find it --- --- * GROW * THE LAND OF THE ADDRESS ..... and who will be indignant, I sympathize ... especially the comrades Arabs need to think about it, really people are very indignant at them lol
                2. +1
                  4 October 2018 21: 41
                  .A give Russia 50 years of calm work and without sanction, all this America in the ass will be.

                  Thank you!
                  Very accurately noticed. As my grandfather said, the kingdom is heavenly to him: ".. That America, she did not know the war on its territory, she only profited from other people's wars! If they were thrown into the same state as ours, after a terrible war, they simply would not have survived. And we have restored our country and the countries of Europe, while confronting the whole world .. "
                  I remembered that phrase for the rest of my life, and I punish my son, remember those great people, yes.
                3. +4
                  5 October 2018 06: 35
                  Quote: Kettlebell
                  .A give Russia 50 years of calm work and without sanction, all this America in the ass will be.

                  After 50 years of such quiet work, our oligarchs and officials will be 50 times richer. And the frigates "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral Isakov" will go to sea trials, the "Admiral Kuznetsov", "Peter the Great" and "Marshal Ustinov" will be at the final stage of modernization, the draft design of the destroyer "Leader" will be adopted with minor modifications. a sample (layout) of the 9M96DM SAM will be shown at the international military-technical forum "Army - 2068), etc., etc."
                  To create the latest weapons in sufficient quantities, you need to have a powerful, industrialized economy, but our leadership is taking a different path. So you can “work hard, hard for the good of the country,” as much as you want, and oligarchs and officials will only have their wallets swell. Is America in the ass? So we have already overtaken her, and we shine in front of her naked ass!
                  1. 0
                    6 October 2018 16: 37
                    Admiral Kuznetsov by that time will already be deeply modernized and will be in a dry dock for repairs.
        2. +2
          5 October 2018 03: 55
          Does the son of the chief designer also work as the chief designer? And the son of the deputy chief designer? Well, etc. Just wondering... wink
        3. 0
          6 October 2018 16: 06
          And where do these shots come from? The education system has been destroyed, and what remains of it continues to be destroyed. "Engineers" come to my work - graduates of technical universities, who do not know how the thread is indicated on the drawing, he recently told one how to calculate the volume of a cube, so he did not believe - "is it really that simple." Old Bismarck said that the German teacher won the Franco-Prussian War, and he was right three times. To destroy a nation, you do not need missiles and aircraft carriers, it is enough to destroy education, which our government is diligently doing. In my city, district teachers two years ago, on a voluntary basis, under threat of dismissal, were persistently asked to write a statement not to raise their salaries. Now my friend, a history teacher, works as a storekeeper (part-time as a loader). VOTE FOR UNITED RUSSIA!
      2. +1
        5 October 2018 17: 02
        Yes, most likely it is necessary to act asymmetrically. Against the sum of all the capabilities of the fleets of sworn friends and neighbors, even with the right power, we cannot pull, not to mention these.
        Therefore, it is necessary to create such non-standard weapons that will be impossible to repel and render harmless, and not completely ruining the country. Then our "partners" will think about whether to attack Russia. And it is unobtrusive to indicate these possibilities, without unnecessary details and details.
        1. +2
          5 October 2018 17: 31
          Yes, it is - the only thing that we have is more or less modern and that nuclear weapons are functioning. And we have to work in this direction, this is our last argument. Moreover, the means of attack are always cheaper and easier than defending against them.
    2. 0
      5 October 2018 08: 37
      The MO gave a very good answer, as if directly to this article:



      According to the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, 4 on October 2018, the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" [project 22350], carrying out the planned tasks of the combat training course in the Barents Sea, successfully carried out a series of practical firing at sea and air targets from sea-based anti-aircraft missile system of vertical launch "Poliment-Redut".

      Amazed 3 air and 1 small surface target.
      1. +3
        5 October 2018 17: 03
        The answer is good, but very small, if you look at the map of Russia.
  2. +2
    4 October 2018 08: 17
    . to cover the connections of the Russian Navy in remote areas of the oceans it is necessary

    The question of the appropriateness of our presence in remote areas of the ocean. When there’s nowhere to put money, it’s probably advisable request
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 17: 05
      In the remote, preferably from our shores, let the partners have fun. And we need to protect our borders.
  3. +10
    4 October 2018 09: 16
    I think I won’t tell you a big secret if I say that we are present at a new redraw of the world, similar to the one that was in 39 or at 45 ... because many countries that are not able to defend themselves go under the flags of stronger ones. adheres to the same NATO bloc. That is, if not with us, then against us, as the history of Yugoslavia proved, and how much NATO has settled on it, as well as on Iraq ...
    As for the topic of the article ... we now do not even have enough new escort ships in the ocean zone, not to mention surface ships of 1st and 2nd rank. Peter the Great is that great brainchild of the same great USSR. But he is not eternal. I’m silent about Atlanta. They are 40 years old now and there is no replacement for them from the word at all. They only plan to build Super Gorshkov, when it will be and in which series it is not known. But this project is about destroyer-class ships appearing in our fleets, which is necessary for the KMG in principle. Even the Gorshkov series we still have in the amount of one in the fleet, and three in different stages of readiness and that’s all.
    So what is the article about? About Wishlist and Dreams?
    1. -4
      4 October 2018 12: 02
      At the pike's command, at your request .... do you really think that the Moscow Region will tell the truth about the fact that supernorms and new weapons are being built? Or do you think that the smarter officers of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? Or do you know more about everything that is and will be?
      1. +4
        5 October 2018 03: 04
        Donetsk.
        On this site, as a rule, officers are active or reserve - this time.
        The construction of ships of the 1st \ 2nd rank is not particularly hidden, they are being built for a long time ... especially in modern Russia - these are two.
        Above the norm, anything can be built (for example, RTOs, which were not originally listed in the shipbuilding program), but certainly not ships of the 1st / 2nd rank - these are three.

        Thanks for the article. It is well noted about the readiness of Polyment-Reduta, I just yesterday, in a conversation with a friend on the same topic, said that the marker of his readiness would be the acceptance of the Vityaz into service ... And today I read about it ...
        The question of the presence / absence of a long-range air defense system in the fleet will be decided in its own way, when the military shipbuilding will please us with its products of the 1st / 2nd rank. When gas turbines, marine diesel engines are brought to mind, maybe Poliment-Redoubt will also be finalized ... Perhaps Almaz-Antey having completed the S-500 tests and launched the S-400 series, will be able to concentrate on the marine theme ...
        1. -2
          5 October 2018 07: 34
          On this site, there were most of the above people .... but for a long time .... Now there are few of them left ... and a few people write, and some have lost everything and we are in shit ... Otherwise - topics already resembling a yellow press ... I WILL RESPOND TO YOU that what you READ doesn’t tell me anything. It’s kind of like a friend told me that a neighbor told her, to whom distant relatives told what she told in a train in a nearby compartment man, to whom .... Once again, do you understand what a military secret is about disclosure and * journalists * of the yellow press? And in the tenths - * maybe * ---- you know how the British say
          Well, the main thing I heard you
          1. +4
            5 October 2018 15: 51
            Donetsk.
            You did not understand correctly, I myself am a reserve officer of the Air Defense Forces of the Soviet Union, I served at a fairly large command post, an officer of the combat command. So I know the topic, and without revealing secrets, I will say that the failure of the Polyment-Redut program is associated with a lack of engineering and design personnel, when all the forces were thrown on ground issues (the same S-400 and S-500) - this is more than once discussed-published on our website.
            The failure to meet the deadlines for Polyment-Redut was partly offset by the events in Ukraine - the refusal to supply gas turbine propulsion units. So - there is no air defense system, but there are no ships either, and when its engines catch up, you see, "Almaz-Antey" will polish its brainchild.
            And believe me, young man, if I "read" something, then I understand what it is about.
            1. -4
              5 October 2018 16: 01
              I didn’t write about Polent-Redoubt at all ..
              Oh, how the pan-and-panheads have flown down the minuses to put ... lol
              1. +1
                5 October 2018 17: 26
                Donetsk.
                My minus to you for bad education.
                1. +1
                  5 October 2018 17: 32
                  My minus to you for bad education? And I'm still a swindler ....... and not only))
                  I didn’t mean to offend you, by chance I was just lucky
                2. -1
                  6 October 2018 09: 31
                  He did not speak about you, but about the pan-and-headed, who heard the ringing, but do not know where he is.
              2. 0
                5 October 2018 17: 41
                Yes, it’s clear what you wrote about - that our army is the strongest from Kamchatka to the British seas, and that we will defeat all, and all doubters are pan-legged.
            2. +2
              5 October 2018 18: 13
              Quote: bayard
              So I know the topic, and without revealing secrets, I will say that the failure of the Polyment-Redut program is associated with a lack of engineering and design personnel, when all the forces were thrown on ground issues (the same S-400 and S-500) - this is more than once discussed-published on our website.

              I think that the issue is not even personnel, but the reduction of total defense spending, which is why it was necessary to reduce the development of the country's air defense, and move mainly to the subject of air defense of the ground forces. Naturally at a new level. As far as I know, now and close to that system of air defense of the country, as it was during the USSR.
        2. 0
          6 October 2018 09: 49
          Maybe this is what you said? I am not very versed in air defense, more in the RBK.
          http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/armed_forces/rabota_nad_noveyshey_rossiyskoy_zenitnoy_raketnoy_sistemoy_s_500_prometey_prakticheski_zavershena/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
      2. 0
        5 October 2018 17: 06
        Are you serious?
        1. -3
          5 October 2018 17: 25
          but where are we for a worker, 3 classes of a circus parish school to * seriously *
          Comrade Warrant Officer lol -Do you want to talk or set yourself apart in the cons?
  4. 0
    4 October 2018 09: 30
    the author of the article is already determined by the title of the article and the first lines, and the meaning is always the same - grab your baggage, the station leaves ... hi
    1. +1
      4 October 2018 11: 05
      ..the author writes about the problems that currently exist and are not solved from year to year, what does the station and baggage have to do with it ???
      1. -2
        4 October 2018 12: 04
        How do you know what is not being solved? From the VO site? So he already prefers the yellow press than a review of military equipment
        1. +2
          5 October 2018 17: 08
          Do not be lazy, make a review.
    2. +2
      5 October 2018 17: 08
      A rigorous analysis of the situation is what this article is about. And our affairs are worthless, how many do not sing hallelujah.
      1. 0
        5 October 2018 17: 27
        * Hard analysis of the situation *? Fso, I am silent
        Things are not bad for me, I have to poop on your hallelujah
      2. +2
        5 October 2018 18: 13
        Donetsk.
        Whatever one may say, we are a land power. And our fleets are scattered at the ends of the world so that with all our desire we will not be able to gather them into one powerful fist - geography is against. Therefore, the stake is on the submarine fleet and the protection of the coastal zone. Well at least they began to build minesweepers of a new model, quietly, but at the Stakhanov pace (which is pleasantly surprising) a series of small anti-submarine ships is being built to protect naval bases - modular-type corvettes, two of them are already being tested and will be based in Novorossiysk. A series of "Karakurt" went, diesel and even anaerobic submarines (pah-pah, so as not to jinx it).
        The key problem in the construction of surface ships of the 1st / 2nd rank is propulsion systems (both turbines and marine diesel engines), as well as the notorious and long-suffering "Polyment-Redut" - that is, air defense of the new generation. The solution of these two problems will take another 2-3 years, no matter how bravura the statements that import substitution has happened (by engines) may sound, the same amount will probably go to fine-tuning the air defense. You have to dance from the stove - submarines, RTOs, minesweepers, corvettes, frigates ... is the industry warming up? Have you restored your competencies? ... Then, and destroyers, cruisers, aircraft carriers ... But minesweepers - in the first place.
  5. +1
    4 October 2018 09: 38
    As usual Damantsev, heaps up the numbers, TTX, right there is reasoning, again the numbers, everything is in a panicky mood,
  6. +2
    4 October 2018 12: 38
    The author has such a pathos style that fat flows off the screen.
    Striking ships means a great war. And nobody will do it. So it's not so bad.
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 17: 28
      Quiet, be silent ... is it * A tough analysis of the situation *? laughing
    2. 0
      5 October 2018 17: 44
      You are a bad predictor. But the thought that the strike on the ships would also be merged like the attacks on our planes in Syria did not enter your head?
  7. +2
    4 October 2018 12: 54
    Shatter the illusions to all haters
    "Made with the use of elements of the Stealth technology, the airplane's glider is practically invisible to radars of the centimeter range of radio waves at a distance of several hundred kilometers and becomes visible when the aircraft approaches at a distance of 40-70 km. Thus, the stealth aircraft will be radar noticeable to the onboard coordinator ( direction finder) of the air defense missile system DD, flying up to it, in the final phase of the rocket flight.

    When firing at long ranges to obtain the required accuracy of pointing the missile at the target, combined missile control is used. A variant of the combined missile control system is the first-kind radio-command remote control system for missile launchers (when the current location of the fired aircraft is measured directly by the ground guidance point), at the initial and middle sections of the trajectory, and the second-type radio-command remote control system for the missile (in the case of measuring the target’s current coordinates and the airborne missile coordinator with their subsequent transfer to the PN) at the final flight site.

    With a similar combination of telecontrol systems, from the moment the onboard direction finder began to operate, the module for generating commands for the ground ground receives information simultaneously from the target and missile tracking station, as well as the on-board missile coordinator. Based on a comparison of the formed teams according to the data of each source, the task of pairing the trajectories and increasing the accuracy of pointing the missile at the target is solved.

    This method of combining control systems is called binary. It is implemented on the S-300PMU1 and S-300F Rif (ship-based) ground-based long-range air defense systems (ship-based) with a maximum firing range of up to 150 km in aerodynamic aircraft, as well as the S-300PMU2 Favorit (ground-based) air defense systems and on the ship’s S-300FM “Rif-M” with the ultimate boundary of the shelling of aerodynamic targets 220 km.

    The effectiveness of the firing of the Strategic Missile Forces MK ZRK DD S-300PMU2 (S-300FM, S-300F, S-300-PMU1) when performing a combat mission to repel the impact of high-speed, inconspicuous in the centimeter segment of the airborne radio waves (a quantitative criterion of the effectiveness of firing of strategic missiles at a single target - its probability lesions) is determined by the accuracy and timeliness of target designation (DG) from an automated control unit of a group of air defense missile systems, as well as by the numerical value of the parameter of the fired aircraft relative to the radar illumination and guidance (RPN).

    For firing at the distant border of the affected area of ​​220 km while flying at an altitude of 10–15 km at a speed of 500 m / s IOS, taking into account the operating time of the receiver range of 25 s and the flight time of SAMs at a speed of 1000 m / s to the far boundary of the affected area - 220,5 s, the required range for detecting aircraft by reconnaissance systems of a group of anti-aircraft missile systems of the Favorit air defense system should be at least 350 km.

    The real line of observation of an aircraft with an effective reflective surface (EOP) is 0,1 sq. m (for example F-22A) centimeter detection radar and high-altitude detector S-300PMU2 air defense system is not more than 70 km.

    Traditional active low-frequency (meter and decimeter radio wave) radars, effective in the detection range of subtle air objects (AO) in the cm-radio range, are severely limited in operation: they significantly unmask the reconnaissance elements of the air defense system with their radiation, are suppressed by electronic warfare and electronic warfare weapons, have limited spatial resolution, which makes it difficult to expose group targets located nearby and to recognize the observed aircraft. "
    http://www.vko.ru/taktika/osobennosti-borby-s-perspektivnymi-svn
  8. +3
    4 October 2018 12: 56
    Simply, each Navy ship should be equipped with a rope version of a UAV with a radar capable of climbing 500 or more meters and scanning a radio horizon in a radius of 250 km. The complex can be made on the basis of the container. Type Pterodactyl at T-14 Armata.
    1. +3
      5 October 2018 10: 57
      Quote: Tektor
      Simply, each Navy ship should be equipped with a rope version of a UAV with a radar capable of climbing 500 or more meters and scanning a radio horizon in a radius of 250 km.

      In fact, there is an even cheaper option that was used in Soviet times - military balloons and weather balloons, which also helped to increase the range of radio reconnaissance, and it was possible to covertly monitor the enemy’s electronic systems.
  9. +5
    4 October 2018 13: 26
    ... unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing to cover the lack of a full-fledged missile defense for the naval strike groups of the Russian Navy. Indeed, in order to cover the Russian Navy’s formations in remote areas of the World Ocean, the surface component must include either advanced short-range, medium-range and long-range naval anti-aircraft missile systems, or modern tactical carrier-based aircraft capable of intercepting any (even ultra-small) enemy air attack means airborne radars with PFAR and AFAR and RVV-SD missiles.

    One question is what formations of the Russian Navy in remote areas of the World Ocean can be discussed, if the author writes:
    Today, most surface ships equipped with long-range Forts are either chained to stocks or put into the dry docks of ship repair facilities for scheduled repairs and deep modernization.

    For the basis of such groups is precisely the RKR or TARKR. And since they are not in service, then there is no one to cover. sad
  10. 0
    4 October 2018 15: 41
    All these cutbacks in military programs are the hands of liberal traitors, whom Putin calmly endures. Their goal is to weaken the military forces of Russia. This is pure betrayal.
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 17: 11
      And it is time for us to decide - the guarantor himself, who is he? After all, everything in power is his appointees.
  11. -1
    4 October 2018 17: 19
    We have nothing to do there, poplars, yars, maces will fly there and x-101, 102, and more, right now we need to cover our own from all sides, by early detection we have already covered our entire territory, in air defense - ahead of the rest of the planet, bastions, balls, hummingbirds, iskanders and the other is also enough, we build planes at the peak, reb in noorm, did you get scared? Nobody will stick to us! there are no eggs, there’s no spirit, only stupid people are noisy and here the Judas are sitting on grants, let’s break through, the victory will be ours, however, as always !!!!!
    1. +1
      5 October 2018 17: 51
      Here he is, get acquainted - another hat-tacker.
  12. 0
    4 October 2018 20: 44
    And I thought, as soon as the attack on the ship group of the Russian Federation was committed, a devastating retaliatory strike would be inflicted on NATO territory.
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 17: 52
      They thought in vain.
  13. -2
    5 October 2018 07: 26
    Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
    So we already overtook her, and sparkle in front of her bare ass!

    Well, you are not the first ones to flaunt exhibitionists in such a way. And yet at the same time whining about bad power ... people do not bother you who walks normally ... in trousers?
    1. 0
      5 October 2018 17: 54
      Wait a moment, they’ll take away their pension and there’s nothing to buy on their pants.
      1. -1
        6 October 2018 09: 36
        Pants wear women, men trousers.
  14. 0
    5 October 2018 10: 52
    Moreover, we will announce yet another tangible problem from the presence in the armament of the naval composition of the grouping of only self-defense air defense systems.

    I think that the author of the article does not understand well the results of the war in Syria, and did not realize that our fleet will be rebuilt, and instead of heavy cruisers, small-tonnage ships with powerful missile weapons with an increased range of missiles will be replaced. And these ships are unlikely to have to participate in clashes on the open spaces of the oceans, and where our missile defense system will not operate, so there’s nothing to stop the extra systems on ships of this type. Yes, and such ships are cheaper, but their impact power will increase, and even they will not always have to leave the marine economic zone of our country. Side cost savings for the operation of such ships is also a nice bonus for our country.
    1. +2
      5 October 2018 17: 58
      "with powerful missile weapons" is it 8 calibers per ship? Is it powerful? Amerikosov have 56 similar missiles on a ship and ships 10 times more - that's powerful.
      1. +1
        5 October 2018 18: 07
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        "with powerful missile weapons" is it 8 calibers per ship? Is it powerful? Amerikosov have 56 similar missiles on a ship and ships 10 times more - that's powerful.

        I understand that you have primitive ideas about the military economy, and you hardly know what the cost of one kiloton, the cost of its delivery and the cost of its maintenance are, but for ease of understanding, I’ll inform you that no one can compare with the Strategic Rocket Forces. Placing nuclear weapons on expensive surface ships is not profitable and unsafe, which is why your examples do not roll - the future is for submarines, not for surface ships. That is why it makes no sense to build up their weapons, and it will be easier to limit themselves to an inexpensive carrier of nuclear weapons, in the form of small ships. We do not have such problems as the Americans, and therefore do not blindly copy their weapons.
      2. +2
        6 October 2018 09: 41
        You, excuse me, are a great specialist in armaments and navy. Are you in the analytical center of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Listen to you, so the construction of the RF Armed Forces is not going in the direction that you are showing. Borisov was mentioned negatively in the article. Have you worked with him? We had to work very closely with him. This is a highly educated, knowledgeable OFFICER!
  15. 0
    6 October 2018 20: 18
    Can it reduce everything to floating launch complexes for 6-12 universal launchers? Such a platform without everything. With a crew of 12-15 people. And external target designation and start control? As the bell rings, the crew sits in the boat and leaves. The platform goes on autopilot firing off everything available, and the crew rubs nearby on a boat until certainty. Esi platform survived - then reload. If not, they are on the boat to the collection point.

    Protection of the outer perimeter of the order is generally seen as autonomous drones - a sort of outer layer of small boats with AFAR and armor + kinetic aerial drones (shooting does not solve the problem of an object weighing a ton going at a speed of 1.5 km per second like zircon, and by striking a blank of 50 kg from the upper hemisphere can land in the surface without problems). All this whirling at a distance of 3 to 5 km from the center of the order is cheap and cheerful, the reaction time is significantly reduced, the reaction zone is increased, and the density of fire, too.

    Well it is - offhand. There are no alternatives - ships will not survive in the era of hypersound with any missile defense.
  16. -1
    7 October 2018 22: 05
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    As usual Damantsev, heaps up the numbers, TTX, right there is reasoning, again the numbers, everything is in a panicky mood,

    Damantsev is Damantsev. He has his own style, recognizable. But even though he always floods with numbers and performance characteristics, "grains of truth" are still sometimes present. And in this case, speaking of the long-range missile defense line, he is right. This line is absent from the word AT ALL. And until there are ships of the main classes (1 and 2 ranks) that can carry weapons of collective self-defense, there is no need to talk about any long-range air defense / missile defense line.
  17. -1
    8 October 2018 07: 23
    This is because nobody really needs it ...
  18. 0
    8 October 2018 10: 02
    There is no money, but you hold on ... and let the missile defense hold on, otherwise there will be problems with Zakharchenko, with the Abramovichs, Usmanovs and Deribaski .....
    It’s better to have another Black Sea Championship ....
  19. 0
    8 October 2018 14: 39
    One can only hope that in the near future the situation will change, because this problem is global for our Navy and so not big ....
  20. 0
    9 October 2018 23: 31
    If we cannot defend ships properly, why should they plow the expanses of the oceans? I believe that their main task should be to protect their native coasts in the area of ​​coastal missile defense. And to ensure the inevitability of a retaliatory strike in the event of the outbreak of war, nuclear submarines on duty off the coast of our probable opponents may well. PS Tsushima would not exist, Russia would not go there fleet.