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Patriot is better than C-500. ” In Poland, questioned the effectiveness of the Russian air defense system

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Polish online edition Defence24.plspecializing in defense issues, published a material under the heading “Russian“ truth ”about C-500. Is “Patriot” better than “Prometheus”? ”In it, the captain of the first rank, retired, and now the journalist Maximilian Dura, criticized the Russian air defense system:


Both about the C-400 system and about the C-500 system, we only know what the Russians want. It was possible to ascertain whether they provided reliable information in the Middle East when the Americans, the French and the British attacked Syrian bases protected by Russian C-400 systems. At the same time, the results of the analysis show that this Polish system “Patriot” can be in many ways better than the newest Russian C-500 system.


Patriot is better than C-500. ” In Poland, questioned the effectiveness of the Russian air defense system


According to the author, the bombardment of Syria indirectly struck in the Russians: after all, they placed their newest air defense systems there, which, as it turned out, did not ensure the safety of the attacked objects. And this is despite the fact that the Russians also transferred their newest C-400 Triumph system to the Middle East, which, according to them, should cover the entire territory of Syria and most of the Mediterranean Sea.

The publicist reveals the reasons why Russia did not use its air defense systems:

Of course, the Russian military claim that they did not use weaponsbecause they didn’t want to use it, protecting only non-attacked objects at Khmeymim and Tartus. In fact, if the Russians could use the C-400 and C-300 systems, they would, of course, use them. However, with regard to low-flying maneuvering missiles - most of them made in the stealth technique - their equipment turned out to be practically useless.


The failure of the Russians, according to Maximilian Dury, is also evidenced by the fact that they could, without risking anything, use the missile strikes of the US and allies to train their anti-aircraft complexes, but, nevertheless, they did not.

"Promotional" capabilities of the C-500 system

The expert describes the capabilities of the C-500 system, which are distributed by “Russian propaganda”:

Most of the Polish and Western descriptions of "Prometheus" are exactly what the Russians would like to see them. And they created a legend about a system that, within a radius of 600 km from a launcher, can shoot down almost everything in the air: from ballistic and hypersonic rockets to airplanes, maneuvering missiles and small UAVs. Therefore, maps are often drawn with a coverage area on which a circle centered in the Kaliningrad region includes all of Poland and part of Germany.




According to Russian data, it is assumed that air defense missiles and anti-missile systems C-500 can hit aerial targets at a distance of 600 km and at an altitude of 40-50 km (in the case of aerodynamic targets) and 200 km (in the case of ballistic targets). Another parameter often cited in the Russian media is the ability to track one battery of ten objects at the same time and destroy ballistic targets flying at speeds up to 5 km / s (some sources even point to 7 km / s). While the whole battery command system has the ability to simultaneously guide up to five hundred routes.

As the author writes, Russians are imposing that their system is superior to the Western ones and “has no analogues in the whole world.” However, from his point of view, the fact that something has no analogues does not mean that it is the best.

Probable “impossibilities” of the C-500 system

The journalist believes that the biggest success of Russian propaganda is the suggestion to the Poles that the C-500 system located in the Kaliningrad region or in Belarus "can fully control the Polish sky". This false statement is in the hands of the Russians, but at the same time it contradicts the basic laws of physics concerning, first of all, the straight-line path of the propagation of radar waves and light waves:

The sphericity of the Earth leads to the fact that with the defeat of targets, it is necessary to take into account the so-called “radar horizon”. And that which is beyond this horizon is invisible, and therefore theoretically unattainable. In addition, in the case of the Kaliningrad region, the situation is quite favorable for Poland, because it is a flat and covered with trees area. This does not allow for the secretive installation of radar at high altitude, and in addition, it allows counter-battery strikes by artillery systems from Poland and Lithuania (the distance from north to south is about 100 km).




According to the Polish expert, with a well-organized counterbattery system, this may make it possible to destroy the C-400 firing battery before the anti-aircraft missiles reach the target that is in the maximum coverage area, which is actually only theoretical:

However, this coverage area in relation to the S-400 system is purely theoretical, which was proved by previous actions (or rather, their absence) in Syria. Even using their tallest masts 36 meters high, Russians can attack air targets from the Kaliningrad region over the airfield of the 31st tactical base aviation in Kzhesiny (and, therefore, at a distance of 400 km) only from an altitude of 8200 m. Everything below is “invisible” to Russian radars, which means that it is completely inaccessible.


At the same time, from the point of view of the author, the placement of the Prometheus C-500 system near Kaliningrad practically does not change anything in this regard. Of course, theoretically, new complexes will have a greater altitude (up to 200 km) and a range (up to 600 km) on which targets can be destroyed. However, the altitude in this case does not matter, because Poland does not use aircraft flying above 20 kilometers.

Thus, Maximilian Dura concludes, for the Russians, the C-400 system would be quite enough:

It also does not matter, a larger radius of action, because the Russians, even getting the opportunity to destroy air targets that are farther away, for example, over Krakow (on 600 km), could do this, but only from the height of 19300 meters. Consequently, at such a distance, the C-500 system with respect to aircraft is useless, because in the overwhelming majority they do not fly so high.
Of course, as you approach the Kaliningrad region, this target reach will decrease, for example, it will be 12000 m at 477 km from the launcher near Kaliningrad, 4000 m, for example, above Warsaw and 250 m above Malbork - but this is not means that Polish aviation will remain on the ground. It is enough just to fly accordingly.


What is the range of the Prometheus system in reality?

As the publicist believes, for Russians, the only way to circumvent the limitations arising from the existence of a “radar horizon” would be to use for detecting targets of other radars than those that are integrally included in the C-500 battery. Theoretically, this would require placing radar stations closer to the attacked object, or it is necessary to place them higher, for example, on airplanes. The first solution is often impossible to implement (it is difficult to secretly push forward long-range air defense radars), while Russians do not yet have the means to implement the second. Their AWACS aircraft belong, to put it mildly, to a different, earlier era.



In addition, according to the author, difficulties may arise due to the fact that, in the C-500 complex, it is mainly planned to use missiles with a semi-active homing system (for example, 48Н6) - and, therefore, affecting only those targets that are distinguished by special fire control radar. Such radar stations (such as 76T6 / 77T6), from the point of view of the Russians, are an integral element of the C-500 battery, and, therefore, using another radar is actually impossible.

The Polish expert also spoke critically about the possibility of using missiles with an active homing system in the new Russian air defense system:

Of course, the information materials of the Kremlin and the Almaz-Antey concern also indicate the presence in the Prometheus system (and C-400) of missiles with an active homing system, and, therefore, acting on the principle of "shoot and forget." With a distance of 400-600 km, this, however, is only a theory, because it is impossible for the homing head to intercept the target at that distance immediately after the shot, and it can only do this in the last phase of the attack. Flight time to the maximum range, however, is quite long (a few minutes), so the anti-aircraft missile may not find the target in the area set before the shot, and therefore it must be corrected by radio along the way to the target. Such a correction requires knowledge of both the target and the position of the rocket itself. Consequently, in this case the “radar horizon” is an inevitable problem that needs to be taken into account.


Which is better: "Patriot" or "Prometheus"?

From the point of view of Maximilian Dury, the great success of the Russians is the introduction into the public opinion of the opinion that the C-500 "will significantly outpace the current generation of Patriot missiles. In this case, the arguments that speak in favor of such an assessment are, first of all, the range and altitude of the action of the missiles used in Prometheus.

The journalist notes that even until recently, such a comparison was generally erroneous, because the systems of two completely different classes were evaluated - medium range (for Americans) and long range (for Russians).

But the situation radically changed after the start of work on the new air defense system in the USA and after the start of production of the Patriot battery for Poland:

Because it turns out that this version of Polish air defense batteries received under the Vistula and Narev programs (with various kinds of omnidirectional radars and several types of missiles) can be better in terms of many combat capabilities than the C-500 system. And in the case of future American Patriot complexes, it will be so for sure.


The expert states that the development path to this “Polish” version of the system is a continuous process that has continued in the USA for many years, which consisted in the systematic replacement of individual battery cells in such a way that the final result will have little to do with what defined as the system "Patriot" (and in fact nothing - except the name).



The author informs about the changes that will occur in the "Polish" version:

Meanwhile, since the IBCS (Integrated Air Defense / Missile Defense Command System) integrated network air defense / missile defense system is used, the new PAC-3MSE (and, possibly, SkyCeptor), launched operating, as a rule, according to the “shot and forget” principle, it is also planned to replace the AN / MPQ-65 sector radars with new omnidirectional radars. The Americans used the experience of the Patriot’s combat use in numerous conflicts in the Middle East - including, above all, against such a complex goal as tactical ballistic missiles.


The publicist also reports about the next revolutionary change among the Americans, which is an attempt to create the so-called integrated naval control and air defense system NIFC-CA (Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air). It is assumed that it will combine into a single whole different detection systems (sensors) and missiles (effectors), due to which, in particular, it will be possible to destroy air targets beyond the horizon (over-the-horizon air defense capability). Missiles can attack objects that are invisible to battery sensors, using data transmitted, for example, from another ship closer to the target, from Northrop Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye early warning aircraft, or even F-35 multi-purpose aircraft.

Differences between the modernization of Russian air defense systems from the US

According to Maximilian Dury, only the introduction in Russia of an analogue of NIFC-CA will allow full use of the capabilities of the C-500 missiles and help ensure that it actually has a range of 600 kilometers. However, the Russian army does not yet have its own “NIFC-CA” and, most likely, does not even work on it. This “conceptual” delay is due, in particular, to the fact that the Russians never used in combat conditions: neither the C-300 system, nor the C-400 system, and even the C-500 system was tested. But all these systems are actually sequential versions of the complexes, the mass production of which was begun in the Soviet Union (in 1975).

The publicist states that the very concept of the Russian air defense system has not changed:

At the same time, all components of the C-300 battery have been upgraded, or in most cases replaced with new ones, however, basically, on a one-to-one basis. The concept itself has remained almost the same. With these changes, there were sometimes completely different versions, such as C-300 and C-300P with completely different missiles and radars. Such upgrades carried out during the entire production time arose, however, more because of the need to replace technologically aging elements than because of the existence of some special rocket program.




The author notes that the system was replaced by radar observation and illumination of targets, which was, at the moment, at least fifteen modifications. In this case, therefore, it is impossible to talk about unification, the confusion in the nomenclature is aggravated, and all this, of course, makes it difficult for the Russian logistics services. However, on the other hand, it makes it easier for Russians to carry out disinformation, which consists, for example, in the presentation on photos and videos of the latest versions of the C-300 system, like C-400, and vice versa. However, many experts still believe that C-400 is just a C-300 system in C-300PMU3 version.

The journalist draws attention to a wide variety of ammunition from Russian air defense systems:

The Russians also have the ability to hide the contents of containers with ammunition. Thus, in reality, it is never known which missiles are used in this battery, and it remains only to believe the Russian in this question for a word. It is assumed that in the C-300 and C-400 systems currently used in Russia, there may be more than ten types of different missiles. It is not officially known, however, what the proposal of the Almaz-Antey concern is relevant in this area.
For example, the fact that the Russians boast of sending the latest 40H6 type missiles to Syria (with a range of more than 400 km) does not mean that these missiles were there, and even that they are already being used. This diversity is aggravated by the fact that Russian anti-aircraft missiles are developed by two different design bureaus: Torch and Novator.


The expert also concludes that the distinctive feature of the C-500 battery from C-400 and C-300 is the size of the ammunition. Long range (600 km) should affect the length of missiles, ammunition containers, as well as the size of vehicles - launchers. Such a vehicle will be difficult to disguise, especially when it is deployed. In the case of long-range missiles, for example, these are MZKT-792911 elongated chassis with the 12x12 wheel system of the Minsk Automobile Plant.

How to neutralize the system C-500 "Prometheus"?

From the point of view of Maximilian Dury, the C-500 system has the same weak points as C-400 and partly as C-300. It is primarily about the use of missiles with semi-active homing heads, which means the need to use special guidance radars (for example, such as 76Т6). By eliminating this radar, the entire battery is eliminated.

Meanwhile, according to the publicist, in the case of long-range systems, the construction of the target radar itself is a big problem, since detecting and tracking small air objects at a distance of 600 km requires the use of very high power transmitters, as well as complex antenna systems, which must also have an extremely efficient cooling system.

However, he notes:

Russians praise, of course, the presence of active dipole antennas, but nothing indicates that they were created using gallium nitride technology. Therefore, they must be very large and heavy, and therefore heavy to move in the event of a threat of counter-battery fire. In addition, they cannot be lifted on mobile towers that Russians have (for example, the type 40В6MD height 36-39-m or 40В6М height 13-25 m). It is because of these technological limitations that the 9C32 guidance radar (from the C-300 system) can detect fighters only at a distance of about 140 km, and of the 30H6 type (for example, from the C-300PMU1 system) only at a distance of 300 kilometers.




The author adds that the lack of long-range radar is not only the size of the antenna itself, but also the high power of the generated signal. Since active devices radiate strongly, they are easy to track down, interfere with them, and also physically destroy (for example, by artillery fire). And it will be particularly sensitive in the case of ground-based radars that make up the C-500 system. The vulnerable point of "Prometheus" can also be a communication system with a rocket, to which data is transmitted, correcting its flight. Break the connection with such a rocket the easier it gets from the transmitter of the control system.

Expert conclusions

The expert summarizes that the Russians do not make fundamental changes in the mode of operation of their air defense systems:

The opposite is a relief for the fact that Russians from the seventies practically did not change the way the C-300 / 400 / 500 air defense systems operated. This is a big mistake, since countermeasures are developing very quickly, as evidenced, for example, by the way Americans conduct air operations in Vietnam. It shows there that, after the use of appropriate tactics of actions and weapon systems, the effectiveness of air defense systems can be minimized. The Israelis also proved this by conducting actions against the ex-Russian and ex-Soviet air defense systems in the Middle East.


As a result, Maximilian Doura concludes that the Prometheus C-500 system can really make a revolution in the Russian air defense systems, but this, he believes, is not confirmed by the information presented to them above. In general, from the point of view of a publicist, certain restrictions for the Russian air defense system are insurmountable, as exemplified by the range of anti-aircraft missiles and the actual range of operation of their systems.



It should be noted that the material of the publication Defense24.pl has a customized and manipulative nature. Regarding Russian air defense systems, the author dismisses all official data from Russian sources as “propaganda” and uses information taken, apparently, from Western publications, the reliability of which for some reason does not cause him to have any doubts.

The statement of the expert that the Russian air defense systems are “useless” against American low-flying maneuvering missiles due to the fact that Russia did not use its C-400 systems in striking Syria does not stand up to criticism at all. The other day, the Russian Ministry of Defense showed a photo with the wreckage of "smart" American missiles, shot down, which is remarkable, by Syrian air defense systems still Soviet-made. Naturally, if the C-400 complexes were used to repel a missile strike, the result would be much sadder for the United States and its allies.

At the same time, the reasons for which the author is struggling to prove the superiority of the Patriot system over the Russian Prometheus are understandable. Poland recently acquired these US complexes worth almost 5 billion dollars, and now the Polish media need to convince its reader that this money was not spent in vain.
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  1. 72jora72
    72jora72 April 27 2018 05: 53
    +10
    Many bukaf ......
    1. Vard
      Vard April 27 2018 08: 22
      +3
      Polish captain 2 ranks Maximilian Dura.
      This is a leading specialist in Poland in the field of radar technology. He was involved in the organization of the transition of the Polish naval forces from "friend or foe" recognition systems inherited from the Soviet bloc to NATO standards, as well as the implementation of the Automatic Identification System (AIS) in the navy and civilian fleet. That is, never knows air defense ...
      1. figwam
        figwam April 27 2018 09: 30
        +19
        journalist of the portal Maximilian Dura

        Fool, she is a fool in Poland.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter April 27 2018 10: 11
          +6
          This Maximilian is haunted by the laurels of analytes and iksperds from NI. Well, or fulfills the order. Or justifies a surname ...
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 27 2018 12: 54
            +1
            Mujumar-2 or how is it there?
          2. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 27 2018 13: 13
            +3
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            This Maximilian is haunted by the laurels of analytes and iksperds from NI. Well, or fulfills the order. Or justifies a surname ...

            Here it’s true that one koment can be left “Many bukf” And his dreams that we will defend the S-500 from Poland, only dreams, although if missiles fly from their territory then yes, but the missiles are not Polish, so that dreams, dreams, I want to show myself significant ... They will put Poland up for auction then we'll see ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter April 27 2018 13: 44
              +3
              Quote: NIKNN
              They will put Poland up for auction, then we'll see ...

              And there is no doubt that Fushington will sooner or later hand over logs with all the giblets. wink It’s just that they themselves don’t know much, so their fingers are bent over. lol
            2. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell April 27 2018 17: 41
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              They will put Poland up for auction, then we'll see ...

              hi and the Poles have no choice: either for bidding or for distribution. What rejoice, I do not understand .. fool
          3. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 27 2018 17: 43
            +3
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Or the name justifies ..

            Pavel, categorically hi. Like a classic there: whatever you call a yacht, it will sail ..
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter April 27 2018 18: 04
              +3
              Hello tramp! hi You correctly noticed it.
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              either for bidding or for distribution. What rejoice, I do not understand ..

              Well then: they believe that Trump appointed them as his beloved wife in Geyrope. But after the visit of Macaron, I would have moderated the delight on the site of logs. wassat
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell April 27 2018 18: 37
                +2
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                nor believe that Trump appointed their beloved wife in Geyrop

                Pasha, I still do not understand: they beat me in the face, not the passport. And in their case, they will be smeared so that it does not seem enough. And the funny thing is that I'm sure: the warriors understand this, but politicians play their games and they do not care - the main thing is that they count the deflection
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter April 27 2018 18: 40
                  +4
                  I don’t remember who said: “The military will always find a common language with each other. This is all for politicians.” soldier
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym April 27 2018 19: 11
                    +5
                    Pasha, good evening! As I stated, our embassy in the Russian Federation had to refute this news on NATO bases in the Caspian Sea. Cargo transit without weapons. The contract was extended and a new port of Kuruk in the Caspian was added - last year it was built due to the loading of the only port of the KZ in the Caspian Sea in Aktau.
                    And on the topic. You can now see the VAL of Western publications on the blackening of the air defense system of the Russian Federation. Everyone sees how the Patriots work in the SA - now we need to include propaganda, advertising and the political component to promote this miracle. Poles (well, you remember what I think about the whole of V. Europe) I do not understand - they are blackmailing the Germans, so that later they can swell into these Patriots. Let them slide further in economic terms. hi
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter April 27 2018 19: 22
                      +3
                      Dauren, good day! hi I told you back then that I believe your words. And so it turned out. Well, as for Poland: as you don’t call the priestess of love - forgive God and she will remain. In the morning they have this - with reduced social responsibility. wink
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym April 27 2018 21: 20
                        +2
                        Pasha, that’s what’s interesting. Cargo goes by sea to Georgia, there are containers to Azerbaijan. Where with our Kuruk ferry crossing was built for railway trains. That is, trains can leave directly. Therefore, why do they need warehouses here and in Azerbaijan? The train through KZ and Uzbekistan leave for Afghanistan without any overloads.
                        It is a pity that the admins do not publish this. As I saw, the jaw dropped, especially the comments. Meehan in his role as always. I noticed you well. I decided only to answer you, otherwise I would have been pecked until blue in the face. laughing drinks hi
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym April 27 2018 21: 59
                        +3
                        And a joke. I’m here on the article "A holy place doesn’t never be empty ...." with one comrade for this topic, the bases and ANAS started, and with the other he graduated, you know what? Do Russians need to learn Tatar in Tatarstan? !!! Imagine how I had to "shoot back", from all sides as flooded !!! Spending all 30 comments is a record for me !!! This is no longer for my nerve, Chesslovo - the same thing, time after time - got to hell, today I’ve overstepped the edge !!! I wanted to sit at home normally, read - where there! hi
                      3. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter April 27 2018 22: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Kasym
                        I noticed you well. I decided only to answer you, otherwise I would have been pecked until blue in the face.

                        Dauren, I always appreciate you as a friend! hi drinks I’d better write you in PM ...
          4. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg April 29 2018 17: 12
            +1
            We thought that Russian air defense systems would work in the Tomahawks, and Soviet systems also worked in them. Suppose that there weren’t the newest Tomahawks, but Russia didn’t come again either.
            Again this unknown ....
    2. antivirus
      antivirus April 27 2018 10: 19
      +2
      M. DURA IN ALL RIGHTS
      IT IS BETTER TO DIE IN THE HOLY FAITH OF YOUR RIGHT, THAN TO STAY ALIVE AND LIVE UNDER THE LOAD OF MORAL RESPONSIBILITY OF ITS INCIDENCE AND DEPENDENCE ON THE ENEMY OF GREAT POLAND.
      a flag in their hands ... and a drum on the neck of kokhlam (it’s strange to ride a drum - but nothing, they’ll do it)
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 27 2018 11: 29
      +3
      An ordinary marketing move that promotes the promotion of stale goods.
    4. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 27 2018 17: 39
      +4
      Quote: 72jora72
      Many bukaf ......

      There is little sense and you can immediately see where the ears grow. I didn’t read: Poland and own opinion are mutually exclusive definitions.
    5. Bar1
      Bar1 April 28 2018 08: 28
      +1
      if you take ttx s400
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/С-400
      they write that
      Detection Range-600km
      but at what height? They don’t write. When there was an ax attack on Khmeimim, such an expert Murakhovsky said that he doesn’t see low targets with the c400 because of the curvature of the earth. The question is, from what distance are the axes visible, which are now plastic and, accordingly, epr low?
      1. Bratkov Oleg
        Bratkov Oleg April 29 2018 17: 13
        0
        Russia did not come again, but when the real war begins, the performance characteristics of Russian weapons will be an unpleasant surprise for you.
    6. SETTGF
      SETTGF April 29 2018 20: 25
      0
      I would recommend the Poles to learn the Russian language first and not to write silly nonsense ... Moreover, to learn the materiel on the basis of the S-400 and not only!
  2. sleeve
    sleeve April 27 2018 05: 55
    +16
    Beautifully written. With the details. Popular mechanics truly. There are rational arguments. It’s a pity the arguments relate to several “past” times and in this 2018 we are already slightly outdated in terms of technical argumentation in connection with a change in the technical armament of the complex. Naturally, through and through the secret results of training shootings on Ashuluk would be unpleasant "would please the expert not only with productivity, but with a new concept in air defense, such as" tactics of hitting targets at long range in maneuvering mode. " educated local contingent, so as not to resemble the type: “hot boiling water”, “in a hundred centimeters”. I recall that now the Russian air defense is advanced not only in the technical, but also in the tactical aspect of the use of air defense systems. It’s also a pity that consumers of this the articles (again, I’ll note it is technically competent and reasoned) will now be 500% sure that warfare will be carried out exclusively by knightly and bogotiric methods. One c-50 unit leaves (without Shell, without Iskander, without counter-battery cover without electronic warfare ... without everything not to mention the A-100 and A-XNUMX) and is trying to bring down a Polish plane over Warsaw or an American missile over the Baltic. Well, okay, that’s why bny genre.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 27 2018 05: 59
    +10
    Maximilian Dura
    according to Maximilian Dura
    As a result, Maximilian Dura
    From the point of view of Maximilian Dura
    A fool, she is a fool in Africa ....
  4. Amateur
    Amateur April 27 2018 06: 07
    +7
    For God's sake! let them as they wish, so consider. In addition, it would be interesting to hear the opinion of an expert from Burkina Faso on the shortcomings of the Russian air defense / missile defense systems, especially regarding the shelling of Kaliningrad by Polish artillery under the "from mozh to mozh" program.
  5. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz April 27 2018 07: 06
    +4
    I did not see in the article any description of the advantages of Patriot over Russian missile defense / missile defense systems. Announce, arguably, please the entire list.
    Personally, I do not see any advantages, except for the higher price of the American brainchild ... And then, if this can be considered an advantage.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by April 28 2018 10: 24
      0
      What are you talking about, dear?
      He is American !!! What other benefits do you need?
      1. Bratkov Oleg
        Bratkov Oleg April 29 2018 17: 21
        0
        They first sent the astronaut into space 10 years later than the USSR, and managed to shave off about the Moon and about the fact that they came up with everything, "and the Russians stole it from them."
        A lying Anglo-Saxon race living with show-offs and robberies.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi April 27 2018 07: 15
    +1
    The author has such a speaking surname. As an expert, he matches his surname. The article itself is mainly aimed at justifying itself to taxpayers for money thrown into the Patriots, which are not able to bring down anything from the real.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 27 2018 07: 15
    +2
    The expert describes the capabilities of the C-500 system,

    Divorced these eHsperots ... There are three of them at Odessa Privoz, three rubles per pack! laughing
    1. NOVERU
      NOVERU April 27 2018 19: 56
      +1
      from 300 to 400 and from 500 they have different tasks, radii and heights, and complexes because not only launchers there are radars and radars and jammers and dazzlers of systems and annunciators have low flying targets and so on and so on and with 200 Dubna there is a nuclear version of the head
  8. Altona
    Altona April 27 2018 07: 18
    +2
    I have not heard about the merits of the Patriot complex. Does he have such shortcomings? Or are the laws of physics different for Americans? And, sorry, I heard over-the-horizon omnidirectional radars and integrated detection systems.
  9. X Y Z
    X Y Z April 27 2018 07: 35
    +3
    I beg of you. Another Polish “professor” like an expert, yanking a beer in a nearby bar, burst into another propaganda article. And should we discuss this “product”?
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 27 2018 08: 05
    +4
    Really Poles could say something (write) differently, of course not. And even more so, some kind of Dura who fully justifies his surname. Where to our modern air defense systems to an old American, who can’t intercept it, the rocket is trying to return to the guide back. For the Pole, everything that has been done in the United States is the best and cannot be criticized. Moreover, the contract for the supply of this American brainchild to Poland has already been decided and huge for the money.
  11. mc1aren
    mc1aren April 27 2018 08: 49
    +3
    a good article was written by a Pole ...
    absolutely similar to those reviews that are written on topvar ... but (!) for your Polish audience ...
    like our articles to our audience ...
    or take the same non-interest - everyone writes in the same way ...
    and by the way, the spirit of comments is identical ...
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 27 2018 13: 01
      0
      That's right, patriots.
  12. venik
    venik April 27 2018 09: 09
    +1
    "..... and currently the journalist of the portal Maximilian Dura ....."
    ===== He is that REALLY Dura??
    A-b-b-baldet !!!!! Indeed, the case when a surname surprisingly accurately reflects ESSENCE !!!!!
    Moreover, judging by the notch, also "to the maximum" !!
  13. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 27 2018 09: 31
    +3
    Both the S-400 system and the S-500 system, we only know what the Russians want. Whether they provided reliable information could be verified in the Middle East, when Americans, French and British attacked Syrian bases protected by Russian S-400 systems. At the same time, the results of the analysis show that the indicated Polish Patriot system can in many respects be better than the latest Russian S-500 system
    .
    You can not read further. From this Polish analyst, the same expert as from a hydrant dildo.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 27 2018 09: 41
      +4
      an interesting word came out - dildo, opens up new horizons
  14. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber April 27 2018 09: 31
    0
    Eloquent surname, highly reflective, professional level
  15. Alsur
    Alsur April 27 2018 09: 46
    0
    For balance: https://topwar.ru/140622-kogda-prosnutsya-siriysk
    ie-s-300-ili-kak-genshtab-vs-rossii-obvodit-vokru
    g-palca-izrail-i-ssha.html
  16. alexnmv5
    alexnmv5 April 27 2018 09: 56
    +2
    They are right. They know about our air defense systems only what we want. But they need to be afraid of what is hidden from them. I think that on occasion they will be very unpleasantly surprised.
  17. Seaclubvl
    Seaclubvl April 27 2018 10: 03
    0
    And there is the curvature of the earth and great Poland.
  18. high
    high April 27 2018 10: 12
    0
    By the way, in combat conditions were the S-300 tested?
    1. Sars
      Sars April 27 2018 10: 29
      +1
      We’ll try it the other day!
    2. _Jack_
      _Jack_ April 27 2018 11: 48
      +4
      and the F-35s you praised were tested in combat? and ICBMs with nuclear warheads in combat conditions were tested? So can all these nuclear missiles are bullshit, do not want to check for yourself, because they were not used in combat conditions?
    3. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 27 2018 13: 03
      +1
      As I understand it, Israel is eager to experience. At all levels already announced.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno April 27 2018 13: 10
        +1
        Sergey, why risk expensive equipment ... There are simpler ways on the ground ...
        1. Sergey985
          Sergey985 April 27 2018 13: 44
          0
          I think it won’t get to this. Hopefully at least.
  19. carboftor
    carboftor April 27 2018 11: 15
    +2
    Everything is fine in the article, from no arguments, of the form: C 500 is worse, because we do not believe in Russia. And the incorrect comparison of the old Patriot with the C500, to the author's speaking surname. With THAAD then it was already necessary to compare and this and that on satellites hits. THAAD is even less fresh, but not so universal. Patriot is no longer able to bring down anything trash.
  20. Imobile
    Imobile April 27 2018 11: 18
    +3
    What are you all horn rested ??? Throw out the phrase that the patriot is the coolest of all and get a detailed analysis of our air defense systems. Everything about the case. Avax is necessary, a system of interaction with all systems, and not just air defense is necessary. The case has not been verified. There are difficulties and they need to be addressed, From the statements, he’s a dude, our air defense will not be better, they won’t even hear you, not a single boss will climb to the Russian forum to look for answers, they will invite experts. Our media like to invite cooks instead of experts.
    1. Evgenii Xolod
      Evgenii Xolod April 27 2018 18: 10
      +1
      1 to cover areas from everything and everyone. Inpatient.
      2 the Siberian troops did not (nebylo) with 300 and higher at the time of the attack, there were current to cover the airfield at the Russian advisers.
      3 if you believe the Yobsperdam, then the carapace worked. Well, who will tell them the truth to Ebsperdam)))))).
      4 of these missiles did not reach.
      5 and probably the main thing is if the old people work out and bring down oil, they will burn the new system in the radio range. (The same mansions hide the radar frequencies quite a lot and so on.
  21. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 27 2018 11: 22
    0
    Quote: Seaclubvl
    And there is the curvature of the earth and great Poland.

    not ... this is the curvature of Poland, and the Earth really is great.
  22. carboftor
    carboftor April 27 2018 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: mc1aren
    absolutely similar to those reviews that are written on topvar ... but (!) for your Polish audience ...
    like our articles to our audience ...

    Yes, however, when their vaunted smart and cool tomahawks meet with our vaunted and long forgotten S-125s, Squares, Wasps, Arrows, and Beech. For some reason, it turns out that their vaunted all the same is worse than our vaunted one and that, !!! in attack !!! no need to explain for sure that a rocket is easier to bring to a static target on the ground than to intercept and shoot down in the air? Therefore, here it is, scold yours so that others are afraid, this is an echo of the neo-liberal 90s. In fact, Russia has very great significance in the world and has always had, it’s not wanting and dreaming, it’s a fact. Therefore, you need to behave appropriately.
  23. kaldos
    kaldos April 27 2018 11: 50
    0
    This Maximilian is definitely a Fool ..
  24. monolit 36
    monolit 36 April 27 2018 13: 08
    0
    Bullshit!? Sorry, Fools !!!
  25. 501Legion
    501Legion April 27 2018 13: 17
    +1
    Well stupid (s) Zadornov
  26. zyzx
    zyzx April 27 2018 13: 36
    +1
    Even using his tallest masts with a height of 36 meters, ---------- A fool is a fool .... Did you hear about airplanes?
    If you have poles with fishing rods running on which antennas, then this is your problem.
  27. 1536
    1536 April 27 2018 15: 14
    +2
    Why didn't the Poles give 5 billion dollars to their old people and children? Who are they going to defend against? From flightless Russian airplanes, wooden helicopters, missiles, fired by Zander in the 30 of the last century, or drones bought in the Pioneer store? And where is the guarantee that the Americans did not slip any "Patriots" to the Poles, but ordinary models that are suitable only for a beautiful picture? How hard it is to be a Pole, a deception all around.
  28. NordUral
    NordUral April 27 2018 17: 42
    +2
    Or this "expert", or a paid (although maybe a sincere believer) liar.
  29. Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod April 27 2018 18: 00
    +3
    Defense from whom ????? Poland ????? Which on the deltopdan does not rise above 200 meters))))))
    This ebesperd has a strange vision of air defense. What is difficult and impossible for us for their petriots is gut. The radar closer, with avas highlighted (which is not in the air defense range)))))))), or from a fighter ........... Ash f 35 ..... And C ### will be stand and watch, along with the rest of the sun)))))
  30. Sergey Volkov
    Sergey Volkov April 27 2018 18: 25
    0
    let's not disappoint them for the time being - so they want to know everything ... second Ukrainians however ...
  31. Cellulitis
    Cellulitis April 27 2018 18: 29
    0
    Not an article, but a whole book with one small meaning!) Poles believe in the sanctity of American democracy and their "best" patriots in the world - yes please "- let them believe and buy, and the more, the better!)))) The time will come - everything will fall into place!) Although .. I think there are a lot of sane people in Poland who are capable of comprehending the facts and analyzing them ..... only their authorities love the American text so much, they love it so much there is no way to think about the real security of your people!))
    1. In h
      In h April 27 2018 21: 55
      +1
      The most interesting thing is that among the Poles, who did not know how to fight, they always pounded them and who are still armed with junk .. a military expert started up with a speaking surname Fool .. reasoning about ... what he didn’t see and what has no idea.
  32. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 27 2018 18: 50
    0
    Maximilian Dura maximally matches his name ...
  33. Alexey Syshchikov
    Alexey Syshchikov April 27 2018 19: 14
    +1
    And let the Poles shoot out of their “patriots”, only after a shot they quickly run away, otherwise they will suffer punishment, the “patriots” have a boomerang effect, because of which the Saudis massively refuse to buy them.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 27 2018 19: 22
      0
      language length check: show rejections from Patriots
  34. Old26
    Old26 April 27 2018 19: 18
    +1
    And what is the article about? The current Patriot air defense system is compared in the configuration that exists in Poland with the nonexistent S-500 system, the configuration of which cannot be judged?
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 27 2018 19: 21
      0
      "not yet created, but already surpasses all"
  35. Philip Staros
    Philip Staros April 27 2018 19: 31
    +1
    Poles are such Poles ...
    The network and even network-centric principle in building missile defense and missile defense systems is an invention of the Soviet era, however much the 60s ... And all these years these principles have been improved. And the use of the "wide nomenclature" of subsystems within the framework of C (SYSTEM!) 300/400 and, of course, 500 is just proof of this.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 27 2018 22: 53
      0
      Network-centricity of S-75 and S-125. How many wonderful discoveries are prepared for us by mouth goers.
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 27 2018 19: 55
    0
    In the surname of Maximilian, one letter is missing. "TO".
  37. Vadim12
    Vadim12 April 27 2018 20: 20
    +1
    Their “experts” cannot admit that they bought backward complexes in the states. Recognizing the superiority of Russia in the field of air defense - death is similar. They urgently fulfill the propaganda order in order to show the opposite, painting black and white and white-black. In general, it’s time to divide Poland. They think a lot about themselves.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov
      Evgeny Goncharov April 27 2018 23: 36
      0
      About "thinking a lot about themselves," says a person who was about to divide Poland without getting up off the couch. Ironically, of course.
  38. free_flier
    free_flier April 27 2018 20: 28
    +1
    Dumb bastard Poles, whose grandfather licked the Germans boots.
    After reading about counter-battery shooting by Poles and Lithuanians in the Kaliningrad region, reading this nonsense did not make sense, because the very first shells flying from these territories would mean a complete cleansing of these territories for 10-15 years minimum
  39. ss s
    ss s April 27 2018 21: 24
    +1
    The Poles, located between the rock and the hard place, have no reason to rejoice. In the event of a conflict, Poland will burn everything, like an armful of firewood, for a maximum of half an hour. They have one way out: to drive out the Americans, but they are forced to endure the occupiers, first the Germans, then the Russians, now the Americans.
  40. Dmitry Khromkov
    Dmitry Khromkov April 27 2018 21: 46
    +1
    Is this a specialist in radar? There would be more such specialists, but to the US Army.
    He has reasonings, a boy, with a cell phone.
  41. In h
    In h April 27 2018 21: 48
    +1
    Fool she is a fool! A military expert and a poor country whose army never knew how to fight and which was beaten by everyone who was not lazy .. from the Mongols and the French to the Russians and Germans. And for 39 years he showed in all its glory how the Poles are fighting .. the army the defense minister escaped together with the president .. abandoning everyone and who, instead of fighting, would hide and surrender to everyone in a row .. and the Germans and the Russians .. and fled to the Czechs to Romania, the heroism ended in two weeks. . Interesting, but the great Fool understands that God forbid that .. from his underdeveloped Poland, the chips will fly in the forefront, they are just hostages
    1. KOJIXO3HuK
      KOJIXO3HuK April 28 2018 10: 18
      0
      Why are you doing this? Poles are very worthy people. Especially Russified. Felix Edmundovich, for example, dreamed of seeing his homeland as part of the USSR. And Alexander Belyavsky is very loved in Poland, although he is 100% Russian. Friendship is always more beneficial to nations than to butt "whose religion is thicker." Unfortunately, not everyone understands this.
  42. In h
    In h April 27 2018 21: 49
    0
    Quote: In H
    Fool she is a fool! A military expert of a poor country, whose army never knew how to fight and which was beaten by everyone who was not lazy .. from the Mongols and the French to the Russians and Germans. And for 39 years he showed in all its glory how the Poles are fighting .. the army the defense minister escaped together with the president .. abandoning everyone and who, instead of fighting, would hide and surrender to everyone in a row .. and the Germans and the Russians .. and fled to the Czechs to Romania, the heroism ended in two weeks. . Interesting, but the great Fool understands that God forbid that .. from his underdeveloped Poland, the chips will fly in the forefront, they are just hostages
  43. macgyver
    macgyver April 27 2018 22: 26
    +1
    Of course, better in terms of kickbacks. And maybe even the coffee maker in it is cooler! Just do not shoot from it ... "Patriot" is not patriotic in its pounding in the Emirates.
  44. Olegi1
    Olegi1 April 27 2018 22: 35
    +1
    After the first quote
    Whether they provided reliable information could be seen in the Middle East when Americans, French and British attacked Syrian bases protected by Russian S-400 systems. At the same time, the results of the analysis show that the indicated Polish Patriot system can in many respects be better than the latest Russian S-500 system.


    You can not read further. In principle, the Poles have nothing to worry about: the S-500 is clearly not intended for the rubbish on which they fly, or gather.
  45. Topol M
    Topol M April 27 2018 23: 13
    +1
    Psheki! Let's try !!!!
  46. Phoenix_L'vov
    Phoenix_L'vov April 28 2018 00: 56
    +1
    The Poles sold their brains, taking in exchange an American for rent - it is impossible to explain their nonsense to anyone else.
  47. Gogi bresner
    Gogi bresner April 28 2018 08: 43
    0
    another Polish is coming!
  48. lukewarm
    lukewarm April 28 2018 09: 13
    +1
    Missiles can attack objects invisible to sensors, using data transmitted, for example, from another ship closer to the target, from Northrop Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye early warning planes, or even F-35 multipurpose aircraft.

    It was already here on VO. Such systems are being developed. For dalnikov. And not the classic AWACS, but specifically for the bombers. I still thought, "Why do they need it?" So Maximilian Dura will remain such if he believes that in the Russian Federation they have no idea about the radio horizon. It’s another matter that those who print the US world currency, of course, have more opportunities. And Poland, as a prostitute with experience, perfectly calculated this.
  49. alpha3
    alpha3 April 28 2018 13: 17
    +1
    The author has too many assumptions and too little specific information about the s-400 and s-500 systems. Which in itself is good.
  50. Wolka
    Wolka April 28 2018 18: 38
    0
    the gentry are still sycophants, they themselves have not created anything like this, but they are taken to judge things that are not available to them ...