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Missiles shot down, but targets destroyed. The right look at things

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What time the grace has come! The time of universal knowledge! Time, when somehow suddenly, imperceptibly, suddenly and inevitably, you can become a specialist in military affairs and an expert on all the secrets of missile defense and all these unknown missiles yesterday. And, most importantly, get your predictions in the general rhythm. Or, as an option, to the rhythm of a particular publication.

What is striking is the seriousness with which quite serious experts discuss in the press and on television screens the number of missiles that flew or did not reach objects in Syria. Serious people, referring to the data of the ministries of defense, press secretaries, representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other officials of Russia and the United States, talk about who had more ... potential.

This is not even at the level of the kitchen, benches in the park or any social networks. This is already happening at the country level. Look at / to Ukraine. It is very expensive to read the comments on the reports of the shelling. If I had not imagined the real results of a rocket strike, I would have believed in the strength of the American weapons.

And go to our social network. Completely backlash. Hooray, even Soviet junk can easily bring down the vaunted Tomahawks. And given that in Syria really most of the missile defense and air defense systems are old Soviet weapons, our uryakalki are right in at least one moment. Modern Russian weapons are really better than the Soviet ones.

Now a simple question. What criteria evaluate the results of a military strike? Regardless of what this blow is applied. Is the number of bombs, missiles, shells or mines? Is the number of missile launches? Maybe the number of sorties?

The criterion for evaluating such a strike is simple. Completed the task, or not.



Let's look at Syria. Who and what tasks set their units.

USA. Under the brand of the fight against chemical weapons destroy the military factories and depots of weapons Assad. However, to cause serious damage to military airfields and thereby deprive the Syrian army of air support. Agree with the opposition to launch an offensive against Damascus during the period of chaos after the strike. Show Russians the power of the Western coalition. And the possibilities of American weapons.

Syria. As much as possible “soften” the blow of the Americans and all those who support them. With any luck, destroy missiles and planes over Syria. Save your own military Aviation and personnel. Prepare for the onset of terrorists and, if possible, continue the offensive.

Russia. Do not allow the bombing of Damascus. Protect your own military bases and military advisers in the Syrian army. Prevent coalition forces from helping terrorists.

Missiles shot down, but targets destroyed. The right look at things


Of course, the tasks listed above are far from complete. Well, this does not change their essence. The United States is eager to show the whole world that the power of the Russian army is nothing more than a soap bubble. Syria wants to survive as a state and continue to win. Russia is regaining the honor and respect of countries.

At the same time, after the loud tantrums of President Trump, after the threats and waving his fists, after the utterly bestial remarks against Putin, everyone understood that it would not be a blow. This was understood both in Washington, and in Moscow, and in Damascus. Virtually the whole world is tense.

And then there is a difficult statement by the Russian Chief of General Staff. No matter what they say, but, unlike political scientists, journalists, deputies, military leaders of this level simply do not shake the air. And if the head of the General Staff sounded a response option, then the necessary instructions have already been given, plans have been developed and scenarios have been studied.

In fact, the Chief of General Staff announced Russia's readiness for war with the United States and NATO. Not global, not the third world or the last world, no. Ready for local fuck in the Middle East. With a soft hint of a possible arrival from the waters of the Black and Caspian Seas.

And so it happened. Coalition struck! Moreover, the blow of such a force that if it were done “in an adult way”, Syrian military facilities would have been torn down from the face of the earth, and the number of dead would be in the thousands. More than a hundred rockets of one and a half million dollars each ... Impressive "expenditure part" of a strike? Million 200 under the tail.

Results? Some injured Syrian soldiers? Destruction chemical lab? Getting into an abandoned airfield? Well?

Trump is the national hero of the United States. The man said - the man did. Assad is the national hero of Syria. "Soothed" overdue Yankees. Putin is the national hero of Russia. Showed who the testicles dinkat, and who bumkayut. In the end, all in chocolate. Great result. I even thought the stupid thoughts in my head skip. I do not agree whether the leaders of the countries?

So is it important to know the actual number of downed missiles? Those who need it in the service, it is known. Who, how much and how for Russian, American, Syrian, and, probably, for military countries not participating in the strike, is well known.

We want from the US military confirmation of the downed missiles? Do we want American generals to recognize the weakness of their own army? What are they, shoulder straps started? Or does Trump have a backup presidency? Can you imagine what will begin in the USA if the fact of the destruction of 70% of missiles is confirmed?

So everything here is in order, from the United States.

We want our military to recognize that the entire missile defense system and air defense, which we have been creating for several years, turned out to be nothing? Our generals, too, with epaulets more comfortable. And the guys from Rosoboronexport will be taken seriously by the throat. They need to sell weapons. To earn currency for the state and to provide jobs at defense enterprises.

We want President Assad to say that the Russians cannot ensure the security of the Syrian cities? So that he sprinkled ashes on his head and repented before the West? Do we want the Syrians to give up their own victory? Asad has proved so many times that he does not know how to bend, that it would be utter nonsense to expect him to suddenly change.

Therefore, one should not believe in everything that is said and written. “In our times, Eisman, no one can be trusted. Even to myself ... "

Believe can and should be in the result. You know the result. It means that you can quite independently draw conclusions on other issues. Any version that fits into the result will be correct.

Smashed rockets? Yes. After all, they did not reach the goal. Didn't you hit the rockets? Yes. After all, to fully guarantee the destruction of the object, the Americans sent five times more missiles to the object than was necessary. The main thing is the result.

By the way, do you know what the main result of this raid is for Russia? The most positive thing. More than three dozen new proposals for negotiations on the supply of air defense and missile defense systems.

So we shot down the day ... sorry, rockets, or not shot down?
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  1. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 19 2018 05: 16
    +7
    All three parties solved their problems. And they decided.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 19 2018 06: 09
      +41
      . By the way, do you know what the main result of this raid is for Russia? The most positive. Over three dozen new offers

      Transfer money? And militarily? The United States is striking with impunity on our military ally, Kanashenkov proudly reports that Russian air defense did not take part! This is how to perceive, as an invitation to strike more? I already wrote that this blow took place only because Russia never responded to the blows of partners. Otherwise, the United States would never have decided on such a blow. Once again, since this blow remained unanswered, you need to wait for the next.
      This is a very simple logic of events that always works in life, but for some reason they try not to notice it, most of them are on the site. Instead, they are engaged in auto-training, they say we defeated everyone again!
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 19 2018 06: 18
        +35
        Quote: Stas157
        This is how to perceive, as an invitation to strike more?

        No. As a warning, the Russian air defense can also ahem, intervene.
        Quote: Stas157
        I already wrote that ...

        ... and are you tired of writing nonsense? Although yes, holy training manual, where from her request
        Quote: Stas157
        this blow was left unanswered

        Right Smart rockets themselves decided that it was better for them to target ... not to hit.
        Stas, and why don’t you learn ... at least with the same rockets, for example? wink
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 19 2018 06: 33
          +26
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          warning that the Russian air defense can also ahem, intervene.

          In life, very often, the warnings of few people are impressive (especially Americans), only real actions matter.
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          and not tired of writing stupid things to you?

          And you? By the way, you really like my “nonsense”, judging by the fact that you always react to them! Jack, why are you reacting to stupid things?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 19 2018 07: 02
            +22
            Quote: Stas157
            Jack, why are you reacting to stupid things?

            I'm allergic to them. And on you, by the way, too wink
            Quote: Stas157
            only real actions matter

            Only achieved result.
            As a result, 100+ axes per one and a half barn.
            Here is all you need to know about this, ahem, episode (s) yes
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 April 19 2018 07: 44
              +25
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              I'm allergic to them. And on you, by the way, too

              And you do not react, allergies will be less. You are in search of "trolls" and bringing them to clean water, did not notice how long ago you yourself became a troll.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Only the result achieved matters.

              There is such a result as Kanashenkov’s statement that the Russian air defense did not take part in blocking the strike (everyone saw how someone stood aside).
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 19 2018 07: 50
                +13
                Quote: Stas157
                did not notice how long ago they themselves became a troll

                Unlike some "engineers" (hanging here on an ongoing basis) (for some reason), I still have something to say.
                But to say this to people in the training manual (for you, for example) is useless.
                Quote: Stas157
                There is such a result as Kanashenkov’s statement that the Russian air defense did not take part in blocking the strike

                Stas, you ... a noun. And somewhere nearby there are the "new gate", yeah ...
                The organization of Syrian air defense, one must think, Assad was personally engaged. And supply, and training ... about the "Lisitsynov" I really just keep quiet.
                I repeat for the gifted: the only result of all this, ahem, a brawl is a hundred axes in vain.
                And all yes
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 07: 54
                  +12
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I still have something to say.

                  About pulling owls, hamsters, etc.? wink
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 19 2018 09: 54
                    +3
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    About pulling owls, hamsters, etc.?

                    Perhaps you rather yes than no.
                    You, Osya, have not gone very far from Stas, my sympathies request
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 10: 47
                      +16
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      You, Osya, have not gone very far from Stas, my sympathies

                      But you haven’t reached your kitty, level! good
                2. Stas157
                  Stas157 April 19 2018 07: 56
                  +19
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Unlike some of the "engineers" hanging here on an ongoing basis

                  About who hangs here on an ongoing basis:
                  Stas157 Comments 4
                  Registered September 11, 2013 13:29

                  Golovan Jack, Comments 3 941
                  Registered August 26, 2017 11:24
                  Compare the number of comments and the time of registration.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 08: 08
                    +13
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Compare the number of comments and the time of registration.

                    Ingvar 72
                    Registered July 23, 2013 14:01
                    Comments 8 good
                    Stas, I looked at comments a couple of weeks ago and was surprised to find that Kisa’s comments had more likes, and they were put in three days after the dialogue. There was one - three likes, it was already seven!
                    Do you believe that someone is interested in our dialogue three days ago? laughing He "plows" the system administrator, and from different IPs he’ll easily get his rating. hi
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 April 19 2018 08: 13
                      +16
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Stas, I looked at comments a couple of weeks ago and was surprised to find that Kisa’s comments had more likes, and they were put in three days after the dialogue.

                      So he also managed to somehow become a marshal in half a year. He jumped right through several ranks. Maybe he has a magic account? hi
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 08: 19
                        +15
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Maybe he has a magic account?

                        Maybe his sexual addictions are not limited to hamsters and owls? wassat
                        Guys come to grandfather Makar and say to him: - Girls come to you from all villages, they don’t notice us. What is your secret? “I don’t know,” said Grandfather Makar and licked his gray eyebrows with his tongue ...
                        bully
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 April 19 2018 08: 25
                        +10
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Maybe his sexual addictions are not limited to hamsters and owls?

                        Given that miracles do not happen in life, then there is probably some reason!))
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 19 2018 09: 54
                    +5
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Compare the number of comments and registration time

                    I am a programmer. I write and think faster tongue
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 10: 50
                      +18
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I am a programmer. I write and think faster

                      Kitty needs to be thought out slowly, so as not to smack nonsense. (This is the one that squealed pleasantly) wassat For computer performance is in no way connected with the contents of the hard drive. wink
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 19 2018 11: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        computer performance is in no way related to the contents of the hard drive

                        Gee good laughing good
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        you wouldn’t climb there, in what you don’t bother

                        In-in ...
                      2. Alber
                        Alber April 25 2018 17: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I am a programmer. I write and think faster

                        Kitty needs to be thought out slowly, so as not to smack nonsense. (This is the one that squealed pleasantly) wassat For computer performance is in no way connected with the contents of the hard drive. wink

                        )) The main thing is that he doesn’t forget to walk his bug in time ...
                    2. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 16: 29
                      +6
                      Yeah! I understood! fellow Programmer = cyborg! ... or comp? what
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I am a programmer. I write and think faster

                    3. Kelwin
                      Kelwin April 19 2018 23: 25
                      +1
                      Here are five!))
                3. omit
                  omit April 19 2018 09: 01
                  +3
                  Golovan Jack
                  And all
                  No, not all. At least two hundred anti-ballistic missiles in vain. Because missiles flew past. crying crying
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 April 19 2018 12: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: omit

                    No, not all. At least two hundred anti-missile wasted.Because rockets flew past. crying crying

                    Then it flashed (about flying past !!!!):
                    Damascus, April 19th. / TASS /. Two cruise missiles that were not detonated during the US strike on April 14 and were found by the Syrian military in good condition, were sent by plane to Russia on April 18. This was reported by TASS on Thursday a source in the Syrian military.
                    "Two cruise missiles that did not explode during a US missile strike on Syria on the night of April 14 were discovered by the Syrian military. Both missiles in fairly good condition the day before yesterday [April 17] were handed over to the Russian military," the agency’s source said. As the source specified, according to his information, "these missiles were sent by plane to Russia yesterday [April 18]."
                    TASS does not have official confirmation of this information from the Russian side. "
                    How high is the probability of NOT undermining cruise missiles?
              2. andj61
                andj61 April 19 2018 09: 13
                +9
                Quote: Stas157
                There is such a result as Kanashenkov’s statement that the Russian air defense did not take part in blocking the strike (everyone saw how someone stood aside).

                Tell me, was there a TECHNICAL opportunity for our air defense to participate in the reflection of the raid? Air defense has tasks and capabilities depending on specific conditions, in particular, on the terrain, route and altitude of targets, etc., as well as depending on the combat mission posed to specific air defense systems. going around the terrain - they can fly even at an altitude of 10 m. And how to bring down such a target - or simply detect it - with the help of means located hundreds of kilometers away? but, suppose, they discovered - and even shot down! But here is the second wave of missiles - and not according to the targets in the Homs or Damascus region, but along Tartus and Khmeimim, where our bases are located. But our air defense systems are recharged and cannot answer! Presented? And this is called the performance of a combat mission. And the combat mission was completed not when something was shot down there, but when they ensured the safety of the guarded object. Our air defense in Syria is extremely weak. And to ensure reliable air defense of the Syrian Arab Republic, we need to increase our air defense group by 10 times.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 16: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: andj61
                  our air defense was a technical opportunity to participate in the reflection of the raid? Air defense has tasks and capabilities depending on specific conditions, in

                  According to the military, the Russian air defense system in Syria tracked, tracked targets using radar equipment, radio intelligence equipment ... If you believe the assertion that the Syrian and Russian air defense are integrated into the information network, then information about the targets detected by the Russian air defense system was immediately transmitted to the Syrian SAM
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 April 19 2018 17: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    If you believe the assertion that the Syrian and Russian air defense systems are integrated into an information network, then information about the targets detected by the Russian air defense system was immediately transmitted to the Syrian air defense systems.

                    And what is an information network? Syria has very different means of air defense, a general target designation can be issued, but tying everything into a single ACS is an extremely difficult task. In my opinion, it is feasible only for Syrian Buk and Shell. Further - do Syria have complete anti-aircraft missile systems for the effective use of air defense systems? In Soviet times, they were delivered only to the VD countries. And linking different ACS for old and new air defense systems into a single network is a difficult task. hi
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 18: 07
                      +4
                      “About the network” a certain “military observer” was sophisticated in the media ... I don’t even remember which one ... (I get a lot of different messages in the “newsletter” ... I’m just looking through many of them ...) There are good reasons for doubt! And they are justified ... but talk "about it" has long been underway. Even non-specialists are perplexed: in a relatively small area .2 are "tiny" air defense systems side by side and .... completely "independent"? The irrationality of such a "design" is too "striking"! We do not know what technical work was carried out by our technicians with the Syrian air defense systems, what “adapters” came from Russia or muddied at the Syrian enterprises. Talks about combining air defense systems in a “network-centric” network (at least in a “LAN” ...) conducted in Russia. Maybe something came from Russia for testing. Yes, here, at least at the "voice" level, you can set up a warning system (with regards to old complexes ...) ... Well, like ... some kind of "hodja nasreddin "by walkie-talkie (or by" cell phone " wink ) to inform that in its position from the southeast the 8 rod of missiles at an altitude of X and a distance of U And with the old SAMs something can be "created" ... example: S-125 "Pechora-2M" ...
                      1. E_V_N
                        E_V_N April 21 2018 01: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Nikolaevich I
                        Well, like ... to tell some "Hodja Nasreddin" by radio (or by "cell phone") that in his position from the southeast there are 8 missiles at an altitude of X and a distance of U I can do something with the old air defense systems " create "... example: S-125" Pechora-2M "...

                        I must disappoint you, modern circuitry has made a significant leap, and it’s quite possible and possible to combine everything that “shoots automatically” (controlled remotely, rather than by pressing the trigger).
      2. raw174
        raw174 April 19 2018 06: 53
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        And militarily?

        And militarily, this is a staged performance. Everyone in it is great. But do not you think that this blow passed without coordination with the RF Armed Forces?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 19 2018 06: 59
          +11
          Quote: raw174
          But do not you think that this blow passed without coordination with the RF Armed Forces?

          I am sure that indeed the agreement was, at least through intermediaries, Turkey and Israel. However, reconciliation does not cancel the fact of an unreplied blow. If someone hits you in a “consistent” way, even if you’re making a mistake, a blow to your reputation is still present. Agree.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 19 2018 07: 11
            +7
            Quote: Stas157
            Agree

            Stop begging.
            Stas, you are still pulling the owl. Stop these ... perversions already stop
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 April 19 2018 08: 19
              +15
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Stop begging.

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Stop these ... perversions already

              Stop pointing. Low tone.
          2. raw174
            raw174 April 19 2018 07: 12
            +8
            Quote: Stas157
            I am sure that indeed the agreement was, at least through intermediaries, Turkey and Israel.

            I think that we directly agreed on goals (this explains the destruction of empty and not very necessary objects), on the routes of passage of missiles (this explains the success of air defense). Non-participation of Russia is also negotiated, on mutually beneficial conditions. All participants are the winners! This is an ideal operation where everyone won and no one was beaten!
            Trump is a man! Said done!
            Assad is the defender! his air defense defended the country from 70% of missiles!
            Putin is a wise man who watched from the side so that everyone would play by the rules, holding a club at the ready.
            Something like this performance looks.
          3. domokl
            domokl April 19 2018 09: 46
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            If someone “consistently” beats you, even if it is a make-believe, a blow to the reputation is still present.

            And for what Russian objects or citizens of Russia hit? Or have we missed something?
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 19 2018 08: 21
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        I already wrote that this blow took place only because Russia never responded to the blows of partners. Otherwise, the United States would never have decided on such a blow. Once again, since this blow remained unanswered, you need to wait for the next.

        Absolutely right! And the most unpleasant thing is that he will now be surely and stronger, which would not have happened in the case of the promised answer to the first.
        ATS aerodromes are not destroyed and this, of course, is a success.
        But the coalition did not use even a tenth of its capabilities ....
        1. The_X_Factor
          The_X_Factor April 19 2018 08: 41
          +6
          The promised answer would be if the Russian military were hurt. But this is complicated, right?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 19 2018 09: 05
            +2
            Quote: The_X_Factor
            The promised answer would be if the Russian military were hurt. But this is complicated, right?

            Yes! yes
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 09: 16
          +11
          Quote: Olgovich
          And the most unpleasant thing is that he will now be surely and stronger, which would not have happened in the case of the promised answer to the first.

          That's it! good For substituting the second cheek, you are guaranteed to receive a second cheek. Now we have received the second. Cheeks run out, at stake are the rolls (buttocks) hi
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 19 2018 10: 40
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Cheeks run out, at stake are the rolls (buttocks)

            And these people forbid us to pick our nose (s).
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Maybe his sexual addictions are not limited to hamsters and owls?

            Osia, watch yourself closely. This is advice. kind yes
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 10: 56
              +9
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Osia, watch yourself closely. This is advice. kind

              I watch Kitty, I’m even watching. wink This is nothing more than my assumptions. Moreover, based on your comments. You wrote about the "favorite hamsters" and "drawn owls"? wink Sorry, spring is in the yard, humor pulls slightly to the left. bully
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 17: 14
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Now we have received the second. Cheeks run out, at stake are the rolls (buttocks)

            "Bullshit!" - People say in such cases .. When planning a missile attack, the merikosas carefully "measured routes" so as not to "hurt" Russian objects! And this means that their choice of "missile" directions was limited and, even to a certain extent, predictable by Russian air defense! It is possible that the success of Syrian air defense is in one way or another connected with this fact. If the Russian air defense systems were fired in all directions in everything that "moves" .... then the "states" would have no reason or reason to refrain from confrontation. You should have listened to the words of the wise ensign: "Maybe we should? Bang it! And more than once! The whole world is in ruin! But ... then! "
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 17: 15
              +7
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              When planning a missile attack, the mericosa carefully “measured routes” so as not to “hurt” Russian objects!

              Well, they didn’t hurt, but they gave the political slap in the face concrete!
      4. figwam
        figwam April 19 2018 09: 19
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        Once again, since this blow remained unanswered, you need to wait for the next.

        They lit up all their new missiles, American, Israeli, European, now we know their characteristics and capabilities, and for them the capabilities and work of our air defense are again unknown. We won this battle without firing a single shot.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 09: 38
          +4
          Quote: figvam
          They lit up all their new rockets,

          Were they new?
          1. figwam
            figwam April 19 2018 10: 04
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: figvam
            They lit up all their new rockets,

            Were they new?

            Beautiful, new and smart. Already the first two were found and sent to Russia.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 16: 10
              +4
              Quote: figvam
              new and smart. Already the first two were found and sent to Russia.

              Fir-trees! Why are you so sure that the missiles found are JASSM (at least one!) Or, in extreme cases, “Tomahawk '' Block I \ /? request The Russian military could pick up the "old", just in case, so as not to upset the Syrians ..... well, and see: why didn’t they explode? what
              1. figwam
                figwam April 19 2018 16: 19
                0
                Nikolaevich I

                The Americans hit with two new types of missiles; junk was not there.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 18: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: figvam
                  The Americans hit with two new types of missiles, junk was not there

                  Did they get the Block III Tomahawks? request After all, the Americans are accustomed to "utilize" ,, old stocks "of missiles in foreign territories! yes
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN April 19 2018 21: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    Did they get the Block III Tomahawks?

                    And the point is, they are interested in new ones to experience. Then why shoot JASSM, when you can use the same Block III. Logically, either one or the second ... Once the booze went with JASSM, I think Tomahawk 'Block I \ /, I have to not undermine Trump's prestige ... otherwise they would beat everything and what? They also hoped that our air defense will get involved ...
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I April 20 2018 01: 22
                      +3
                      Quote: NIKNN
                      And the point is, they are interested in new ones to experience.

                      Everyone is interested in trying new things ... But .... how many total "jasms" had " what produce "? Eh ... What is there to" pickle "! stop Here is a tablet .... rustle gyrus! wink

                      66 "Tomahawks" and 19 "Jasmas" ......
      5. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 April 19 2018 11: 40
        +2
        It seems that we have one more proof of the agreement. The only question is who and with whom, because Israeli air defense "does not notice" Israeli attacks on the Syrian and Iranian allies. In response, NATO did not hit the Russian Armed Forces. Therefore, both Turks and Iranians look with distrust of us, for betrayals are constantly waiting. When petty swindlers and scammers, such as groundhogs and others, build politics on scams and every minute and not thought out in the future moves, you can’t expect otherwise. We spread rot on the full economy. and the marmots and similar "strategists" play petty scams, but in principle political giveaways ...
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 April 19 2018 20: 28
          0
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          It seems that we have one more proof of the agreement.

          Like in football - a draw on a foreign field. Although such a goal draw counts as a victory laughing
      6. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr April 19 2018 15: 58
        0
        It hurts you "smart", as I look! Is it really incomprehensible stubborn that one needs to rejoice that the Syrians worked well with the old equipment and what would happen if Russia intervenes with the New. It has already been written that the Americans and others like them could simultaneously launch about 300 missiles. Would we have the strength to intercept everything? And then what? In a word, they correctly say that sitting at a table you can reason for a long time. Ride and fight, and there is nothing to do with hatred. Smart people know what to do. Trust them. Good luck everyone.
      7. Natalia777
        Natalia777 April 19 2018 16: 41
        +1
        Stas157 (Stas). Not so simple. There is a result. 1) Russia captured 2 unexploded smart American missiles. 2) Russia, in response to the shelling of the United States, will supply S-300 and other weapons and military equipment to Syria. 3) Russia tested its military missile defense equipment.
      8. gerkost2012
        gerkost2012 April 19 2018 17: 50
        +2
        If you keep your money from a rich neighbor who has more faces and full friends, will you answer him to rudeness and spitting? No, you won’t! Is that a cookie in your pocket show. So it is with the behavior of the Russian Federation in Syria, and here we stand only against ISIS. And in general, Assad officially invited us, to us pah and no one. And who after this will begin to hope for Russian military-political assistance? Apparently, even the CSTO is trying not to get in and stay away from Moscow. And the rest, a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well!
      9. venik
        venik April 19 2018 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        The US is striking with impunity on our military ally,

        ========
        Oh! Is it really "with impunity" ???
        WHAT actually happened? WHAT did they (in the sense of "Yankees") achieve? "Undermined" the military power of the SAA ??? - No! They scared Russia - NO !!!
        If the "mess" began "on a large scale" - then NOBODY would not have warned and agreed in advance - "what objects to beat NZZZA! And what can you expect" in return "!!! Nobody !!
        And so Trump looks like a "cool hawk" (to the delight of transnational elites, in fact, and the ruling America), and the conflict was avoided!
        In short - EVERYTHING "in action" ...
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      11. E_V_N
        E_V_N April 21 2018 00: 30
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        The United States is striking with impunity on our military ally, Kanashenkov proudly reports that Russian air defense did not take part!

        And why did Assad become our ally, who, when, against whom made an alliance with him? Or did you drive yourself a “diplomatic trolling” about “partners” and “allies” and take it at face value?
        Do you think you are smarter and more competent than Konashenov, that you decided to give advice on what to do?
        But it didn’t occur to you that Konashenov’s statement about the ответ ке ке "ело им цель intended to force the US to play adult, with Intelligence, EW, false goals and this goal was achieved, our general staff now knows how the“ first disarming strike ”can be carried out, but our "non-participation" the USA did not give such an opportunity.
        You don’t think that the downing of part of the US missiles solved the main task, how likely is the success of the "first disarming strike" strategy proclaimed by the United States.
        It seems that the results showed that the US strategy was a bluff, and everything else is not important.
    2. Santos
      Santos April 21 2018 03: 34
      0
      author !! Either not smart or provocateur. Take the compass in your hands.
  2. Lunic
    Lunic April 19 2018 05: 26
    +6
    "More than three dozen new proposals for negotiations on the supply of air defense and missile defense systems."
    Can I list the "new" offers in the studio please? I’m not joking! It’s just interesting. I’m trying to follow the consequences of this blow, but the first time I read about new contracts in your article is Roman.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 19 2018 05: 33
      +2
      Maybe you and a plate with a blue border? Read the statement of the deputy Zheleznyak ... Not the one who did not understand the topography, but ours, the modern one ...
      1. Alber
        Alber April 25 2018 17: 28
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Read the statement of the deputy Zheleznyak ... Not one who did not understand the topography, but ours, modern ...


        It's not my business, but this same diplomat Zhelezyakin a little respect
  3. Strashila
    Strashila April 19 2018 05: 28
    +1
    Since the time of the Second World War, the main task of the air defense forces has been to prevent the use of weapons on the protected object ... well, if you also destroy the bomber, then it’s just wonderful.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 19 2018 05: 34
      +2
      laughing The coalition of fools among the pilots is not ... They even close to Syria did not fly .. Babakhnuli from abroad and run to the base ...
      1. Strashila
        Strashila April 19 2018 05: 47
        +2
        Since the time of Yugoslavia, attack, control and coordinate through the airspace of an "independent neutral" state or neutral waters ... try to ensure that at least one splinter falls outside the territory of Syria ... there will be a screech ... they will immediately declare the aggressor ... on this air defense have to work at the last moment at a minimum, and not anticipating the maximum.
        1. Petrix
          Petrix April 19 2018 09: 49
          +1
          Quote: Strashila
          n try so that at least one splinter falls outside the territory of Syria ... there will be a squeal ... they will immediately declare the aggressor ...

          Is there really a squeal that the aggressor Russia has been little so far? You probably do not watch the news. Russia is no longer afraid of either a squeal or sanctions. Russia does not want the worst case scenario. Therefore, he is careful.
          What will happen if the plane is not shot down over Syria? Israel here freely beats objects beyond its territory. Syria does not answer not because it is impossible, but because it does not feel strong. Here it will strengthen and even decide on a symmetrical answer, or Iran - let the West test its air defense systems.
      2. Totah155
        Totah155 April 19 2018 10: 27
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        laughing The coalition of fools among the pilots is not ... They even close to Syria did not fly .. Babakhnuli from abroad and run to the base ...

        Well, you have to go beautifully, like in a parade. Make a few circles over the target and then bomb out?
        They do not go
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 19 2018 22: 00
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        laughing The coalition of fools among the pilots is not ... They even close to Syria did not fly .. Babakhnuli from abroad and run to the base ...

        Alexander, I also tend to this, but misunderstandings pop up ...
        According to available information, a total of 103 cruise missiles were used, including the Tomahawk sea-based missiles, as well as guided bombs GBU-38 from aircraft V-1B
        Here is the current range of this bomb - 28 km !!! (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDAM). But not a single aircraft of the Syrian air defense coalition even attacked, since they did not enter their zone !!! Someone here either doesn’t finish something, or blurted out the excess ... request recourse
  4. mari.inet
    mari.inet April 19 2018 05: 32
    +7
    The Americans, perhaps, even exceeded their task. Judging by the reports of their military, they still destroyed both the development center and the production center of the Syrian chemical weapons.
    In connection with these extermination, is it possible to say that provocations on allegedly "Assad's use of a prohibited chemical weapon" will finally end? Now everything is destroyed. Or, with a great desire, will the Americans bring out some “stocks hidden by Assad,” and production stories with “children, old people, and women struck by chemical weapons” will begin again? This is the main question: did the USA finally destroy the centers for "production" or have not yet decided on the "final destruction"?
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN April 19 2018 22: 01
      0
      Quote: mari.inet
      In connection with these extermination, is it possible to say that provocations on allegedly "Assad's use of a prohibited chemical weapon" will finally end? Now everything is destroyed. Or, with a great desire, will the Americans bring out some “stocks hidden by Assad,” and production stories with “children, old people, and women struck by chemical weapons” will begin again?

      good love
  5. bald
    bald April 19 2018 06: 01
    +2
    The people of Syria were in suspense, aware of the impending attack. After dumped on the streets, not hiding emotions and joy - is this not an indicator! Yes, even before whom.
    1. Mavr-85
      Mavr-85 April 19 2018 09: 50
      0
      Tell me, please, but how many Syrians fell onto the streets of cities?
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr April 19 2018 16: 02
        0
        Ride and count if you really want to find out. No one has banned stupidity yet.
  6. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov April 19 2018 06: 22
    0
    Quote: mari.inet
    The Americans, perhaps, even exceeded their task. Judging by the reports of their military, they still destroyed both the development center and the production center of the Syrian chemical weapons.
    In connection with these extermination, is it possible to say that provocations on allegedly "Assad's use of a prohibited chemical weapon" will finally end? Now everything is destroyed. Or, with a great desire, will the Americans bring out some “stocks hidden by Assad,” and production stories with “children, old people, and women struck by chemical weapons” will begin again? This is the main question: did the USA finally destroy the centers for "production" or have not yet decided on the "final destruction"?


    The consequences of the bombing of the American research institute in Bazar. Commander Alexander Kots. Read it in a cart who are interested in first-hand events. Kotsnews
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 19 2018 07: 05
    +5
    If you lay out the situation on the shelves, then everything seems to have remained in their own interests. Here are just the United States with the "allies" suffered image losses about the most "best and smartest" weapons in the world, which are sure to prove themselves.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 19 2018 09: 50
      +5
      Alas, but you are wrong. The West is swamped with reports of success. Americans and Europeans are confident that all targets are destroyed.
      There, the war is about as we have on HE. One sofa against another ...
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 19 2018 22: 05
        0
        Quote: domokl
        There, the war is about as we have on HE. One sofa against another ...

        Well, the sofas are also trying to sort of agree
  8. shinobi
    shinobi April 19 2018 07: 53
    +1
    So, so, so! But about the new contracts in more detail, please! If it’s true, then everything else is just a noise background. The best confirmation of the effectiveness is orders from third-party buyers. For example, after Iraq, for some reason, the demand for American systems fell sharply .
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 09: 18
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      The best evidence of effectiveness is third-party customer orders.

      The same wife can be sent to the panel, it is very effective and profitable. But will it do you honor? wink
  9. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 19 2018 08: 38
    +7
    The article is sensible. In support I can add one more thing: there are no photos of downed "axes". Let not 70, but 10 then definitely shot down! Where is the photo? They are not here! And this indirectly indicates an agreement. Some said that they shot down everything, others that they struck everyone (I exaggerate, but a little), and the third practically did not suffer and received "+5 reputation." Everyone is happy!
    1. Mavr-85
      Mavr-85 April 19 2018 09: 52
      +1
      as well as hit photos, except for a few pieces
    2. Petrix
      Petrix April 19 2018 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: konstantin68
      And this indirectly indicates an agreement.

      Behind the scenes, such. They love to keep everything under control. Agreed to agree. However, knowing the vile stifle of the “partners”, one could also expect kidalov. Therefore, there was tension, and Russia had a determination.
      In the USA, it was obvious that they rushed about not between a beat-not-beat decision, but between a decision to violate an agreement or not.
      1. Alekhanets
        Alekhanets April 19 2018 16: 02
        +1
        I see everyone liked the topic with the agreement ... only from the side of Lice this agreement was forced ... they understand only real actions, not statements by the General Staff ... the main actions were only briefly indicated in the media ... it was not for nothing that the problems the French and the British — precisely because of the active actions of our military — it’s not necessary at times to open fire in modern conditions ... Lice also worked out an option — they probed the work of our air defense — precisely those services that ensure the work of the air defense itself
    3. reminin
      reminin April 19 2018 14: 13
      0
      Yes, yes, the UN needs to organize an investigation into the crash of each cruise missile, with the collection of fragments and laying out a layout (as is done with civilian airliners). And then suddenly a journalist photographs a piece of metal found in the desert, and this will turn out to be a piece of mine or part of another rocket. That scandal will be .... The wreckage of a Boeing that fell in Ukraine is still sought and found. I think with the collection of the remnants of cruise missiles it is possible to meet not at 4 years, but at least 3,5 - they are smaller in size ....
    4. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 20 2018 04: 45
      +1
      Here is just one nuance that many have already pointed out - a warhead or 340 or 450 kg of explosives, let's take as a minimum and get 33 missiles per “target” which is only 10-15 tons of explosives, even if it’s not immediately, but "in turn" You can google investigations yourself. Almost any object, be it an institute, laboratory or a small factory, will be demolished to the level of CRUSHED !! Well, where is at least one “target” destroyed to such a state? Especially considering that like the laboratory, Israel already bombed a couple of years ago !!
      I repeat - this is following the idea of ​​"agreement" that ALL missiles flew. So even having “discarded” all the information about air defense, we can state that the “goals” are not in the state that they should have after SUCH a raid. am
  10. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 19 2018 08: 41
    +3
    What is the article about? About nothing. Reported something new? Wanted everyone who is trying to speak out on this subject, call dilettantes? But against the background of their own article, they themselves somehow did not really shine. And just being smart about anything is merit or achievement? Maybe the knowledge themselves is not enough? So is it worth it to substitute, especially after the cycle of previously published articles, oversaturated with TTX, various characteristics, terms (to the edge of the teeth) to now look like pale grebes? Just like in a song, think for yourself, decide for yourself! .. Actually, that’s what everyone is doing, why should they blame them?
    1. konstantin68
      konstantin68 April 19 2018 11: 48
      +1
      Why are you like this? This is an attempt to figure out what is really happening in the world. in words we hear one thing, but in fact, something completely different. We’re trying to figure out what's wrong with that?
  11. steelmaker
    steelmaker April 19 2018 09: 04
    +6
    The purpose of the blow was different - whose words were stronger. And missiles will be the second. Trump said he did. He is not afraid that the war might accidentally begin. Because they know that our wars are more afraid. There are Turks only the corpses of our pilots return and nothing, are considered allies. If we are not respected, why should we be respected? A blow to Syria is a slap in the face of Gerasimov. If he does not answer, he is not a man - he is not worthy of respect. And the answer can be simple - a partisan attack on US bases in Syria, and so that they wash themselves with blood!
    1. konstantin68
      konstantin68 April 19 2018 16: 46
      +1
      Steelworker, your reasoning at the level of grade 7, excuse me. Respect, do not respect, slap in the face ... In the style of: "Andryukha blue since 45th house you know?" There are no such terms and concepts in politics.
      1. rutskiy
        rutskiy April 19 2018 21: 45
        +1
        It seems to me. Just such concepts have now gone into politics. Whoever shouts the accusation louder is right .. The only sane politician is IMHO Lavrov.
    2. aiden
      aiden April 19 2018 20: 28
      +1
      So there was a guerrilla attack on US bases. Moreover, there appeared a group that does not touch anyone except the Americans
  12. vlad007
    vlad007 April 19 2018 09: 07
    +5
    Another empty chatter - nothing new. There are fewer and fewer articles in the Opinions section that are really interesting to read.
  13. ism_ek
    ism_ek April 19 2018 09: 52
    +1
    By the way, do you know what the main result of this raid is for Russia?
    The Prime Minister of the Russian Federation will be pro-American-minded Kudrin.
    1. Alber
      Alber April 25 2018 17: 37
      0
      Quote: ism_ek
      By the way, do you know what the main result of this raid is for Russia?
      The Prime Minister of the Russian Federation will be pro-American-minded Kudrin.

      Fuck him, he wouldn’t fall
  14. Dante
    Dante April 19 2018 10: 28
    +2
    I don’t know for sure, but on the right, Russia is “afraid” of striking back, or just takes time to reinforce its military potential, others will give slaps and relax, but when they relax, Russia will strain and .... you know what happens to those who relaxing too much.
    The Russian army has little muscle, of course, they are good, the old ones jumped well and the new ones appeared, but it would not be necessary to endure even before 2020. Will it be too late then?
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 April 19 2018 11: 06
      +1
      The Yankees themselves do not conduct military operations against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and never will decide on it. They did not dare even when, after the collapse, the Power lay in ruins. Hypothetically, there could be someone who would make a decision to destroy the owners of the printing press. It is hard to believe (the Usurper of EBN would never have decided), but fear for his skins moved them to other methods of eliminating Russia. With someone else's hands - whatever, a direct collision - not when. But time passes, and more and more people, poisoned by filthy capitalism, are growing. And there will come a time when no one will decide on the turnover and no one will implement it
    2. rutskiy
      rutskiy April 19 2018 22: 11
      0
      Russia is not afraid. Is it focusing? one of the great said. Gorchakov seems
  15. turbris
    turbris April 19 2018 11: 11
    0
    Not tired of writing such articles yet? Listen to the statements of our MO and everything will be clear.
  16. Curious
    Curious April 19 2018 11: 12
    +1
    "If I had not imagined the real results of a missile strike, I would have believed in the power of American weapons."
    According to the author himself, none of the parties voiced real results. And here is such awareness.
    And what prevents the author from devoting readers to his ideas? Zarathustra?
  17. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 19 2018 11: 23
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Gee
    Laughter for no reason, a sign ..... wink
    How is computer performance related to its contents? Just do not bear the pseudo-authoritative nonsense about the serious tasks performed on serious computers - I know that already. But some on serious computers play "serious" toys. And some on old computers manage a lot of money.
    If it doesn’t reach, I’ll draw an analogy - a hefty pitching may not necessarily be a good person, and even smart and even more so! wink
  18. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ April 19 2018 11: 29
    +4
    Do we want our military to recognize that the entire missile defense and air defense system that we have been creating for several years has turned out to be zilch?

    And here is it at all? Our air defense in Syria covers two of our bases. Naturally, the axes flew away from them. There is no way to detect or bring down them at a distance of hundreds of kilometers, even if the reconnaissance accurately recorded the moment of the launch of the missiles, then that throughout the desert they are being chased on shells? Or spend ammunition S-400 on them? It's like a gun on sparrows.
    They will fly to our bases, for this is our air defense there.
  19. Altona
    Altona April 19 2018 12: 14
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    This is a very simple logic of events that always works in life, but for some reason they try not to notice it, most of them are on the site. Instead, they are engaged in auto-training, they say we defeated everyone again!

    ---------------------------------
    World politics has become like a drunken brawl, and in a drunken brawl it’s better not to say extra provocative words. Otherwise, they will start taking Trump “weakly”, as a result, the crisis will begin to grow. Well, drunk fights in the gateway, pass by, do not interfere, do not make problems. Now, if we still start shouting “give an answer” in militaristic frenzy, we’ll burn this whole fragile world. Yes, insulting, annoying, but okay. The sky until the earth fell and time did not stop. So let's be calmer. These dur.ni will defeat themselves, let them inflame themselves and spend resources louder.
  20. Victor19
    Victor19 April 19 2018 12: 19
    +2
    It remains to wait a short time. And we will know for sure whether this is the end of the Tomahawk era. I do not really believe in the genius of the imperialist powers. They can make their work on mistakes only if experts from a neighboring country join them. And the latter are really pros. The attack on the Iranian base in early April was far more deadly than this American disgrace with hundreds of tomahawks and air-to-ground missiles.
  21. Calabi Yau
    Calabi Yau April 19 2018 12: 29
    +4
    Let's be honest with each other. In order to snap back, you need teeth. In Syria, we do not have them, which is why we got a slipper in the face. And it’s naive to assume that in the event of a retaliatory strike against our base, we will be able to cover it. We are not ready for the escalation of tension with the subsequent conventional war due to the lack of funds for conducting it specifically within this potential theater of operations. In addition, there is a high likelihood of a conflict escalating into a nuclear war. The termination of the state due to three buildings?
    But to forget that one who chooses shame instead of war ultimately gets both shame and war, too.
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  22. Larum
    Larum April 19 2018 12: 42
    +1
    contract match?
  23. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk April 19 2018 12: 48
    +6
    Daggers continue to rattle. With terrible power.
    In general, I liked this opus on the topic of goals and priorities. It is immediately noticeable that people savvy wrote. Not that meticulous analysis, but for students of the NVP is quite accessible. And of course.
    And for some reason, only one vaguely tormented me, especially considering the pair of missiles that flew into the plane, which headed for Russia.
    He flew, panimash, Su-24 over Donald, ours, Cook. In 2014. So much screaming and screaming was how the Khibiny tore the whole Aegis Stuffing Cook into flaps. Ate Cook, you know, the natives of the Black Sea.
    In the “April 14 raid”, our Defense Ministry with 100% certainty says - 71 missiles were shot down.
    Repeat then - 71 missile. Repeat for the whole world. They paint on which airdrome and how many were shot down.
    But there are no debris! How so? Debris beat the fuck too? Sprayed?
    And - not a word about EW. Not a word! It feels like ours there, in Syria, sitting behind the surveillance and guidance panels only did what they thought - how many and from where missiles were flying, but where. Counted.
    Then they all became sad - oh, our rocket men didn’t hit anyone. And the staff of the nightingale are flooded - all air defense missiles were launched after P_O_S_L_E ..... the passage of the shock.
    So let's, without further ado, let's figure it out ... this is the one to the nose, add up our data and the data from there - and what do we get?
    And we’ll get that the Russian electronic warfare missiles completed exactly 71 missiles! Who didn’t get anywhere and didn’t bring anything down, except for themselves.
    How can ours afford to ALWAYS declare this? Of course no.
    And how to cover up such a job? Well, shoot ... after all ... after. THEN. What are the Americans, and their relatives, aspirated, in ecstasy, similar to sexual, and tell.
    The main thing - RIGHTS everything! Totally right.
    They shot. They shot down, or sat down, it will be interesting only to specialists of a narrow profile. They even got into those that these.
    Who in the know is silent. Who should rumble on duty - he rumbles.
    ...
    How do you like the version, colleagues?
    I, as an old fart, who had long since lost all tolerances, can talk about anything.
    And those who are not supposed to chat, will give out well-dosed truth. that you can’t tell her from a lie.
    And all business.
    1. Victor19
      Victor19 April 19 2018 13: 02
      +4
      In your opinion in the MO notorious liars? This is their quote: “Objective control data indicate the following: 4 missiles were involved in the strike at Duvali airfield - all shot down (100%); 12 missiles at the Dumeir airfield, all shot down (100%); 18 missiles at the Blaey airfield, all shot down (100%); 12 missiles at the Shairat airfield, all shot down (100%). The aerodromes were not damaged. Of the nine missiles launched at the unused Mezze airfield, five were shot down (55,5%). Of the 16 missiles at the Homs airfield 13 (81,25%) were destroyed. No serious damage was observed at this facility. In total, according to the Defense Ministry, 112 anti-aircraft guided missiles, of which:

      "Carapace" - 25 were released, 23 targets were hit.

      "Buk" - released 29, hit 24 targets.

      "Wasp" - released 11, hit 5 targets.

      S-125 - released 13, hit 5 targets.

      "Arrow-10" - released 5, hit 3 targets.

      "Square" - released 21, hit 11 targets.

      S-200 - 8 missiles were fired, the targets weren’t hit. "
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk April 19 2018 13: 20
        +4
        More closely. colleague, more closely.
        Liar, and - part of the truth ... almost synonyms.
        What should be meant by the word - SATISTS_?
        Destroyed by fire? Planted on the belly in the field? Did not complete the task?
        Let down - but the case was in our hands.
        Shot down as a result of the effects of electronic warfare - is it shot down? Or how?
        .
        In my opinion, in Hard Nut-3, or in some of them, it was shown how you can land the plane a meter deep into the strip, just lowering the level of the radio horizon .... I’ll call it so that it’s more understandable.
        Tomahawks and other pribludy grab data from GPS_ What prevents signals from clogging so that the ground level - with such data - will be half a meter higher. Or below. A rocket half a meter below the ground flies very poorly. Why are there half a meter, even 5 centimeters lower - and then with difficulty.
        I clearly gave an analogy?
        1. Snakebyte
          Snakebyte April 19 2018 15: 16
          +2
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          Tomahawks and other pribludy grab data from GPS_ What prevents signals from clogging so that the ground level - with such data - will be half a meter higher. Or below.

          Basically, “Tomahawks” are induced according to the onboard ANN. GPS is used for additional adjustments. So damping GPS can only reduce hit accuracy. Perhaps lead to a miss. But, to drive the rocket underground this way will not work.
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 April 19 2018 15: 44
            +1
            It may turn out to record altimeter data ...
      2. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte April 19 2018 15: 13
        +2
        Quote: Victor19
        In your opinion in the MO notorious liars?

        Yes, they are notorious liars.
        Okay, looking for rockets down the desert is hard. But what is the difficulty of providing evidence of an attack on airfields?
        Of the 16 missiles at the Homs airfield, 13 (81,25%) were destroyed. No serious damage was observed at this facility.
        Document "minor damage" at the airbase. Thus, confirm your version of events and dunk your nose in the dirt of the Americans, claiming only three objects.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 April 19 2018 15: 46
          0
          Gentlemen are customary to take a word. Do you believe Trump?
          1. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte April 19 2018 16: 44
            +2
            I believe confirmed words.
            Trump said that he hit hundreds of missiles at three targets - there is documentary evidence - all targets are almost dusted.
            The Ministry of Defense stated about 70 downed missiles - without confirmation, stated about the attacked airfields - without confirmation. The participation of the French was "not noticed", although "everything was controlled 100%."
            I can even guess where the "two missiles that have already been sent to Russia" came from - the US said 105 were launched, and the Russian Defense Ministry - 103 were found. Here are two and haven’t flown. However, there is no official confirmation from the MO about these two, probably just tales of propagandists.
            1. meandr51
              meandr51 April 23 2018 20: 47
              0
              No one will agree with you that "dusted." There are traces of the impact of a dozen axes.
              Where are the traces of the impact of the remaining 100?
              1. Snakebyte
                Snakebyte April 24 2018 10: 28
                0
                Is it because Konashenkov said the adequacy of a dozen missiles?
                I have no doubt that the remains of a hundred rockets are accumulating in ruins. It’s true that they will “forget” about this.
                1. YELLOWSTONE
                  YELLOWSTONE April 24 2018 13: 46
                  0
                  where is such Svidomo confidence? the attack of this object in the suburbs of Damascus hit the cameras there were about 10 explosions.
                  1. Snakebyte
                    Snakebyte April 24 2018 15: 19
                    0
                    The attack lasted for an hour. What, is there an hour record of what was happening? Do not share? Or as always?
                    1. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE April 24 2018 16: 24
                      0
                      Tomahawks are subsonic, they need time to fly.
                      Can you share it? Or a balobol yes
                      The Pentagon used to share the video in 1991, then something stopped. Now only a photo. laughing
              2. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE April 24 2018 13: 48
                0
                The Pentagon first uploaded a video of the defeat of objects in Iraq back in 1991, then it stopped. why isn’t it now too, just a photo? wink
          2. rutskiy
            rutskiy April 19 2018 21: 23
            +2
            and then it sucked me like that laughing
        2. rutskiy
          rutskiy April 19 2018 21: 59
          +3
          Glory to the gods of asgard, my grandfather Alexey took a selfie on the steps of the Reichstag. otherwise I wouldn’t believe that he took Berlin
          1. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte April 20 2018 08: 06
            0
            In addition to the selfies of your esteemed grandfather, there were other, less significant, testimonies. Such as an act of unconditional surrender.
    2. reminin
      reminin April 19 2018 14: 06
      +2
      If anyone needs debris, they can be found in the vast expanses of the Syrian desert. From a civilian plane, debris is sometimes searched for more than a week and cannot be found, and here are pieces of melted blades from the engine scattered over kilometers. And who needs this burnt scrap metal? That's why there are no photos of debris. And then prove later that this piece of metal is from a cruise missile, and not from a missile or a mine. Does it need it?
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk April 19 2018 14: 27
        +1
        You recklessly, Yuri, argue. Very reckless.
        The Syrian desert is by no means as endless and deserted as you probably think. There, people have grazed for how many millennia. Yes, and not the desert there, in fact - but a semi-desert terrain.
        And the wreckage .... Well, I’m sure that those who are supposed to have already picked up the main wreckage and took it into account. There would be a headache .... on land the wreckage to collect tea, not a torpedo, in the Barents Sea, look for fistulas with torpedoes.
        No photos ? So it’s not that showing rockets with downed aerodynamic planes is to shine in front of the enemy in a dope.
  24. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk April 19 2018 13: 41
    +1
    Do not have time to say how to remove the language ....

    Here you are. - http://x-true.info/69091-doletet-do-celey-tomagav
    kam-pomeshali-krasuhi.html
  25. Evgeny Zhevlonenko
    Evgeny Zhevlonenko April 19 2018 13: 48
    0
    Yes, the United States showed that they can, but they can deal with capitalization, swing a ruble and hit a penny, it rolls while money is being played in your pocket, as a result, you lose at least in efficiency, and the saddest thing for Americans is that everyone saw what she wants to zero.
    And this news is like nonsense that the Warsaw drove the British nuclear submarines into the sea and prevented her from firing off .... here anyone who wants the aura will go, really doubts about anything.
  26. reminin
    reminin April 19 2018 13: 58
    +4
    As the US President once again stated, "all missiles launched hit the target." only he didn’t specify the goals. In particular, two missiles were aimed at Russia. Just the other day, they were found, and flew to Russia - to their goal, but already on Russian planes. No matter how the rocket hit the target? Part of the cruise missiles again hit their targets in the form of lonely standing bushes in the Syrian desert. Part destroyed empty hangars, and possibly inflatable models of military equipment. Got a civilian drug development lab. But the greater number of cruise missiles turned out to be so “smart” that they managed to pull Russian-made anti-missiles from themselves and launch them in the sky over Syria !!! Apparently the anti-missiles were the destroyed targets that Trump announced.
  27. reminin
    reminin April 19 2018 14: 18
    +2
    All remained with their own. In the USA, now the military will definitely be admitted to the feeder from the state budget - the missiles are not effective, you urgently need money for new developments. And a lot of money. With this trick, the US military dealt 100%.
  28. huntsman650
    huntsman650 April 19 2018 14: 40
    +2
    Everything is elementary - they shot down those KR, which flew at airports. Because they are reliably covered by anti-aircraft defense, and the sheds were not covered, and there the KPs broke through.
  29. sabakina
    sabakina April 19 2018 15: 10
    +2
    The authors-moderators, than to ask whether they shot down or not, start the vote by warning us in advance.
    1. rutskiy
      rutskiy April 19 2018 21: 25
      +1
      We find out exactly by the emocriatic path. XTO PABADIU laughing
  30. Topotun
    Topotun April 19 2018 15: 19
    +3
    "Is it so important to know the actual number of missiles shot down? Those who need it in the service know this. It is known who, how much and how for the Russian, American, Syrian, and, probably, for the military countries not participating in the strike."
    In general, it is important, because it gives confidence to its people in its future. And if these people still have to fight, then it’s easier to do it when the bombers and attack aircraft of the aggressor do not hang over you. As it was in the Second World War
    "Do we want confirmation from the American military about the downed missiles? Do we want the American generals to recognize the weakness of their own army? Have they started reaping their shoulder straps? Or does Trump have a reserve term for the presidency? Can you imagine what will begin in the USA if the fact of the destruction of 70% of the missiles will be confirmed? "
    Actually, we want everything from the USA ONLY for a truly normal business relationship. Instead of waving ..... and comparing their lengths.
  31. meandr51
    meandr51 April 19 2018 15: 31
    +1
    The author at first ironizes with “universal knowledge”, and then he himself, without any doubt, talks about the goals of the United States. Like, he knows everything ... And then he hints that they have been achieved. Troll or something?
    Even, based on his stories, the goal-airfields did not suffer. Which immediately discredits his findings.
  32. Styletto
    Styletto April 19 2018 15: 31
    +1
    Kindergarten, not analysis. The author’s assumptions about the "goals of the parties" of the parties are much funnier than the "reasoning of serious people" about how much has flown. “How long has it flown” and why is it a military category that is of crucial importance for specific people, and this humanitarian follow-up is not worth the time to read it. The goals of the parties were completely different, in addition, they were constantly changing, which is why the Americans essentially did not succeed.
  33. akula
    akula April 19 2018 15: 37
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I repeat for the gifted: the only result of all this, ahem, a brawl is a hundred axes in vain.
    And all

    This is not a virtual reality. How can it really be wasted? All 100+ “Tomahawks” in milk? Where did they even hit when they fell? And didn’t those who were shot into space flew off or what? what's up with you?
  34. aksleks
    aksleks April 19 2018 15: 39
    +1
    Stas157 (Stas)
    Transfer money? And militarily? The United States is striking with impunity on our military ally [/ i]
    Stas, who told you that Russia and Syria have an allied treaty?
  35. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 19 2018 15: 53
    +2
    Ingvar 72,
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    “I don’t know,” said Grandfather Makar and licked his gray eyebrows with his tongue ...

    Oh God ! belay
  36. lukewarm
    lukewarm April 19 2018 16: 59
    +1
    Pts in the spirit of the times article. As a result, an agreement like football. Well, maybe that. Only the guys in heaven are ashamed for us: Prokhorenko, Peshkov, Filippov and many others whom we do not know publicly, but they died in this war. Is it worth it to live on? Or at the time to envy the dead heroes?
  37. Igor Anatolievich
    Igor Anatolievich April 19 2018 17: 15
    +3
    The reason for the presence of Russia in Syria. lies in the economy and agriculture, which were destroyed as a result of the so-called "market reforms". The bottom line is the oil and gas pipeline to the West and it is the price of hydrocarbons that prompts R.F. intervene in a very big game. The so-called "ISIS". There is nothing else. As a tool for loosening the borders in the Middle East and Wed. Asia. Created and acts in the interests of the United States and Israel. The wealth of Iraq and Libya came into the possession of international swindlers precisely thanks to the bearded Pithecanthropists of ISIS. The terrorist group gladly lays incriminating evidence on itself. The scenes of torture and execution of civilians. That is, Israel needs Territory. How many actually Jews in the world do not know exactly anyone. But the number of ultra-Orthodox Zionists is constantly increasing. they have large families and, to put it mildly, they are not very fond of them in those countries. where obscurantists settled in. And then there will come such a moment and there is a reason. when the territories controlled by ISIS-Israel will clean up polls from an undesirable element and increase its territory several times and no one will even say a word about it. Russia before deciding to establish a new world order It is necessary to destroy the internal enemies. For the so-called 5th column (Zionists) have their agents in all state structures and will act in the interests of foreign states.
  38. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 19 2018 17: 18
    +2
    That there was a dark matter. What can be argued. The first after the strike, how many missiles reached their goals. Our General Staff voiced. If the amers have other data, then all the media would have yelled about it, with photos and witnesses. It’s just that the American military is the same people and understand that we are walking on the edge. Trump is somewhat reminiscent of EBN in this regard. older people remember what was happening in Chechnya under that “Supreme”. therefore, the order has been executed, but any military man knows that it can be done in different ways. None of the military wants to unleash World War 3. Therefore, that is, that is.
    1. rutskiy
      rutskiy April 19 2018 21: 51
      0
      Exactly, there would certainly be a poor Syrian child who claims to have seen with his own eyes how Tomahawk destroyed a chemical laboratory in which he (the child) was poisoned with gas at that time
  39. ltc35
    ltc35 April 19 2018 17: 30
    +1
    Article plus. The views of all sides of the event are fully disclosed. Conclusion: all remained with their own. The rest is up to the specialists. And there is enough work for everyone, both propagandists and the military.
  40. Grandfather Nikola
    Grandfather Nikola April 19 2018 17: 34
    0
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: figvam
    They lit up all their new rockets,

    Were they new?

    Beautiful, new and smart. Already the first two were found and sent to Russia.

    These two campaigns are really the smartest.
  41. 1970mk
    1970mk April 19 2018 17: 36
    +3
    In fairness ..... Amery pulnuli "Tomahawks" more at a time than that year our industry "caliber" was able to produce. So it’s painful not to rejoice .... The industrial potential with us is simply not comparable with them ..
  42. Dmitry Voronov
    Dmitry Voronov April 19 2018 18: 01
    0
    And what does it mean to STRIKE ON ADULT?
  43. seal78
    seal78 April 19 2018 18: 02
    0
    And therefore, you should not believe in everything that they say and write. “In our times, Aisman, you cannot trust anyone

    That is why I read your cheap fabrications obliquely. There are many letters, nothing new has been said.
  44. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 19 2018 18: 10
    +3
    What to guess, everything is clear here. laughing
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  45. rutskiy
    rutskiy April 19 2018 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    When planning a missile attack, the mericosa carefully “measured routes” so as not to “hurt” Russian objects!

    Well, they didn’t hurt, but they gave the political slap in the face concrete!

    you think. that this is a slap in the face? for me .this is the desire to keep a good face in a bad game. and hit. and it seems even got somewhere. and the Russians were afraid to hook.
  46. rutskiy
    rutskiy April 19 2018 20: 43
    0
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: figvam
    They lit up all their new rockets,

    Were they new?

    Beautiful, new and smart. Already the first two were found and sent to Russia.

    information not confirmed
  47. rutskiy
    rutskiy April 19 2018 20: 52
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    It seems that we have one more proof of the agreement. The only question is who and with whom, because Israeli air defense "does not notice" Israeli attacks on the Syrian and Iranian allies. In response, NATO did not hit the Russian Armed Forces. Therefore, both Turks and Iranians look with distrust of us, for betrayals are constantly waiting. When petty swindlers and scammers, such as groundhogs and others, build politics on scams and every minute and not thought out in the future moves, you can’t expect otherwise. We spread rot on the full economy. and the marmots and similar "strategists" play petty scams, but in principle political giveaways ...

    Russian troops are in the SAR with permission and at the invitation of the government (Assad). and have no right to protect Iranians or Turks. exit-CREATING A COALITION IN SYRIA. (Iranian-Russian-Syrian) but this is unlikely. Iranians have their own interests. Russians have their own, different from Iranian about the Turks and do not have to say. they there in the north of the Syrian Kurds sometimes greet them. They spread rot. In such an environment, the intersection of interests is surprising. They have not yet quarreled among themselves.
  48. rutskiy
    rutskiy April 19 2018 20: 58
    0
    Quote: mari.inet
    The Americans, perhaps, even exceeded their task. Judging by the reports of their military, they still destroyed both the development center and the production center of the Syrian chemical weapons.
    In connection with these extermination, is it possible to say that provocations on allegedly "Assad's use of a prohibited chemical weapon" will finally end? Now everything is destroyed. Or, with a great desire, will the Americans bring out some “stocks hidden by Assad,” and production stories with “children, old people, and women struck by chemical weapons” will begin again? This is the main question: did the USA finally destroy the centers for "production" or have not yet decided on the "final destruction"?

    today the news went to the Russian media. that there were German chlorine barrels in Syria. insurance in case of future chemical attacks? what do you think?
  49. rutskiy
    rutskiy April 19 2018 21: 00
    +2
    Quote: konstantin68
    The article is sensible. In support I can add one more thing: there are no photos of downed "axes". Let not 70, but 10 then definitely shot down! Where is the photo? They are not here! And this indirectly indicates an agreement. Some said that they shot down everything, others that they struck everyone (I exaggerate, but a little), and the third practically did not suffer and received "+5 reputation." Everyone is happy!

    the realities of modern warfare-NOT POST-MEAN IT WAS NOT :)
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