Strike on Syria: details of the preparation of large-scale aggression

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So the time has come when directly to the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and Moscow as a whole it is necessary to gather all the military-political will into a fist and give a tough response to Napoleon's ambitions of Washington, Tel Aviv, London and Paris for intervention in Syria with the further division of its territory . While on the “Idlib front” there is a relative lull, as the regular Turkish army deployed two new strongholds to cover its FSA and Tahrir ash-Sham fighters to cover their positions (positioning itself as some kind of neutral ally Russia), the military-political "focus" has moved to the south of the Syrian Arab Republic, in the provinces of Damascus, Homs and Deir-ez-Zor.



In the evening of 10 on April 2018, at the next meeting of the UN Security Council, two Russian versions of draft resolutions on the investigation of the use of chemicals were rejected. weapons in Syria. We are talking about the Russian model of the establishment of a UN mechanism for the investigation of himataks in the SAR, as well as sending an OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) mission to the Duma area for a comprehensive investigation. Such a result of the “gang of freemasons” meeting was quite predictable, since independent experts of the OPCW, which already received a mandate to investigate, would absolutely find nothing in the place of the “Hollywood film” created by “White helmets”. After all, even Rodionov, head of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Unit (RCBZ) in Syria, denied all reports about the use of any highly toxic substances in the Duma, including nerve gas sarin and chlorine.

The draft resolution proposed by Washington provided for a completely different investigation mechanism, the implementation of which was placed on the shoulders of the already “bought” commission. The results of the investigation of this “sharashka”, known to us in the vision of the American, British and French establishments, were to immediately fall into the hands of the Security Council prosecutors with the subsequent approval of a military operation against the Syrian government forces. This is the whole secret of the intricacies observed in the meeting room of the UN Security Council.

Without thinking twice, the Russian side vetoed the US draft resolution, thereby stopping the scenario for Moscow and Damascus at a geopolitical level. And at this point I would like to linger a bit in order to debunk the myth of the numerous media about the comprehensive military and diplomatic support of Moscow and Damascus by the Chinese side. The day after the White House announced the planned strike on Syria, some Russian media (including the Federal Agency News"), Citing dubious French sources, instantly circulated the incredible news that crews in the Mediterranean Sea surface ships of the Chinese Navy were ordered to go to the northern sector of the Eastern Mediterranean to support the naval strike group of the Russian Navy, in the event of an attack from the coalition. Against the background of pre-escalation anxiety and a confusion of emotions for a simple observer, this can look very encouraging. But let's look at the situation more soberly, because at the moment of blocking the American resolution on Syria during the UN Security Council meeting, representatives of the PRC chose to step aside from the vote and took the position of observers. Even more ridiculous was the news of the Chinese MAPL / PLARK being the carrier of the multi-purpose cruise missiles of the YJ-18 family in the waters of the Mediterranean Sea. This cannot be even theoretically.

Beijing will never sign a direct confrontation with the United States because of the Syrian conflict against the background of the continuing level of trade turnover between the states. So, in 2017 alone, the turnover approached 600 billions of dollars, while with Russia it was about 85 billions of dollars. Even the prospect of a “trade war” that can be unleashed between Beijing and Washington after exchanging “strikes” to abolish customs concessions to Chinese aluminum and steel products from the United States and to many types of food from the Middle Kingdom does not significantly affect the situation. An interesting point is also the readiness of the Chinese leadership to reduce import duties on cars and to organize more comfortable conditions for investments. The main thing is that China has already received all the most important and high-tech “buns” from Russian defense concerns.

The Su-35S multifunctional highly maneuverable fighters have long been “in the piggy bank”: thanks to this, Shenyang specialists brought to the mind a system of thrust vector deflection of their experienced turbojet twin-circuit engines of the WS-10 family a year ago; also a good service in the modernization of the Chinese tactical airborne radar systems aviation served as a unique "farsighted" radar N035 "Irbis-E." In the basket of bonuses and S-400 "Triumph", allowing the Chinese to finally tighten the capabilities of their multi-functional radar HT-233 HQ-9 systems to the level of Russian radar illumination and guidance 92N6E. This list can be continued for a long time. Everything that was urgently needed by the defense industry of the Celestial Empire to increase the combat potential of the PLA, has long been provided by us. Everything is very simple..

We again return to the review and analysis of the operational-strategic situation in the Syrian theater of operations and in its surroundings on the eve of a large-scale strike operation against the strategically important facilities of the Syrian Arab Army. Despite the welcome exchange of kisses by Russia's ambassador Vasily Nebenzi with his American counterpart Nikki Haley in front of a real ideological battle in the UN Security Council meeting room, it is worth to put aside formalities and assess the real degree of geostrategic threat hanging over the world in the last few days. At the moment, the situation with the upcoming strike on Syria has become almost white-hot. The aggressive and unpredictable anti-Russian rhetoric of the head of the White House, Donald Trump, combined with the beginning of the transfer of a reinforced carrier-based strike force of the US Navy to the Eastern Mediterranean and the arrival of strategic missile carriers B-1B to the Udeid airbase in Qatar, led to the forced military forces of Russia’s armed forces at the Udeid airbase in Qatar, which led to the forced military forces of Russia’s armed forces on the El-Udeid airbase in Qatar, which resulted in the USGS Russia’s forced response forces to Russia’s armed forces in Qatar, which was subjected to forced response forces of the Russian armed forces to the Udeid airbase in Qatar. strategic direction.

Ukraine was also no exception. For example, in the evening of April 10, over the horizon beyond the eastern outskirts of Mariupol, eyewitnesses observed a rounded 10-kilometer inversion trail from the locking aircraft. Presumably, the talk was about the DRLOU A-50U combat aircraft, which carefully “probed” the low-altitude segment of the airspace above the southern areas of the “Square” for possible suspicious activity of NATO tactical aviation or the Air Force of Ukraine. All this is observed in the framework of bringing the Russian Armed Forces to the ZVO on full alert since the 8 in April of the 2018 year. After all, it is still completely unknown in what direction and in what scale the development of the acute phase of escalation in the Syrian theater of operations can begin. The most important moment in the current situation is that the Russian military command is really not going to let go of the upcoming forceful action of the Western coalition both in relation to the CAA and in relation to our military facilities on Syrian territory, which the Pentagon warned of and military communication channels. But apparently, our overseas "friends" do not seem to plan.

Using a chemical attack in the Duma as a "casus belli", fictional and artistically beaten by the "White Helmets", the United Navy and Air Force plan to make a massive missile attack on the Syrian army not just for its partial weakening on problem areas of the front, but for its complete defeat, with further stage-by-stage suppression of military air defense, armored and engineering units, etc. Subsequently, this could lead to a very sad scenario, where Damascus would be occupied by the armed opposition and the US armed forces during the joint ground operation of the Syrian Free Army, the NSA and the US MTR, advancing from the Dar'a-Essaouyda-Quneitra bridgehead and 55-kilometer security zone around At-Tanfa. Even more rapidly, US-controlled Kurdish SDF units can capture the Hushama Pocket and force the Euphrates with access to the West Bank under the guise of F-22A and other NATO tactical aircraft.

Such a negative alignment can lead to the fact that under the control of the legitimate pro-government forces of Bashar al-Assad and the Russian military contingent only two provinces remain - Tartus and Lattakia, which are protected by a powerful anti-missile umbrella of the C-300B4, C-400, Buk-M2E complexes and dozens of Pantsirey-C1, as well as a “barrier” from the anti-tank and operational-tactical missile systems of the Iskander-M family. But, as you understand, it is unlikely to dictate its conditions on the Middle East agenda, having such a patch of Syrian land. These conclusions can be made on the basis of the following information.

First of all, according to the Twitter data, the pages of an online aircraft monitor with activated transponders “@ItaMilRadar” and a browser “@BabakTaghvaee”, 6 of upgraded A-10C attack aircraft “Thunderbolt II” of NNT are handed out to NNXXNI of NNI-XINNI’s NNIxNI’s NNIxNI’s 163 updated Thunderbolt II attack planes NNXXNI’s 122 updated Thunderbolt II’s NNXX NNTX attackers. Fighter Squadron and 12 th US National Guard Air Force Fighter Wing, capable of using most types of precision weapons, as well as F-16C tactical fighter jets 31, assigned to the US Air Force 135 fighter wing. The vehicles are led by KC-XNUMXR air tankers. There is no need to visit the fortuneteller either: “Thunderbolts” will take part in the direct support of the FSA and SDF forces attacking the pro-government forces in the provinces of Damascus and Deir ez-Zor. By the way, one of the field commanders of the Free Syrian Army (FSA), Fateh Hasun, has already announced the immediate offensive of the green opposition militants in the position of the weakened Syrian Arab Army after the first effective strikes of the US, French and British air forces.

Secondly, according to SAS sources in the 55-kilometer “security zone” around the US / UK base in At-Tanf, the militants, with the support of the coalition, are ready to move to the T2 pumping station area and develop an offensive in the direction of Deir ez-Zor. They will benefit from the formation of ISIL jihadists from the “awakened” southern boiler in the province of Homs, who literally a couple of days ago took control of a section of the “Palmyra - Deir-ez-Zor” route - the only operational loophole for providing military support to government forces from the Euphrates channel . Directly above the coalition base in At-Tanf, was the activity of US air defense aviation patrolling the airspace of the 55-kilometer zone; In the same area, in the northern part of the airspace of Saudi Arabia, the KC-767A tanker aircraft of the Italian Air Force was seen, which, apparently, provides long-term combat duty of fighters covering At-Tanf. On the same day, the Italian aircraft of radio intelligence "Gulfstream G.550" was spotted at the western air borders of the Russian Federation over the Baltic. This is food for thought for those who recently in comments spoke about the neutral position of Italy in the new aggression of the West against the Russian Federation and its allies.


British shock fighter "Tornado GR.4" with two tactical long-range missiles "Storm Shadow" on the ventral suspension points


As for the missile strike itself, it can be represented by a completely “full-sized” strategic aerospace offensive operation and will most likely take place in the 2 or even the 3 phase. First of all, they use the most sophisticated tactical missiles of the AGM-158B JASSM-ER and SCALP type for intercepting with air defense systems, which have a minimum EPR and a lower flight path than the Topors. A dozen B-1B “Lancer” strategic missile carrier bombers can carry up to 240 JASSM-ER, launched from Saudi Arabia’s airspace. A pair of squadrons of the British "Tornado GR.4" and the French "Rafale" can also identify 48 tactical missiles such as "Storm Shadow / SCALP-EG". Also, in the area of ​​the theater, 1 or 2 multipurpose nuclear submarines of the upgraded Ohio class, which have Tomahawk Block IV strategic cruise missiles BGM-154E on board the 109, may well be present.

Thus, even the “1-I phase” of the strike can include more 450 - 550 means of air attack, without taking into account high-precision weapons possessed by the Israeli Air Force, as well as strategic bombers B-52H capable of carrying air-launched AGM on 20. -86C CALCM. One conclusion suggests itself: the “1-I phase” of the strike operation can begin even before the AUG approach, led by the aircraft carrier CVN-75 USS “Harry S. Truman” with Ajis, cruisers and destroyers of the classes “Ticonderoga” and “Arley Burke”, respectively , that is, in the coming hours or days. For this enough air-launched cruise missiles. So, the targets for X-32, Bastions and X-35U in this case will not be much, at best, the destroyer Donald Cook, the Russian and Air Defense Systems of Syria will only have to intercept at least half of the enemy’s missiles. After the arrival of “Harry Truman” and “the company”, the “2 phase” strike can be launched using “Axes” from the Mk 41 launchers and deck aircraft. From that moment on, our Su-35C and Tu-22М3 will be able to pinch nerves of the main “chain dog” of the Pentagon, James Mattis and his entourage.

The “third phase” can be an attempt to establish a no-fly zone over the southern and central territories of Syria through American X-NUMX-generation F-5A Raptor fighter jets and Israeli F-22I Adyr fighters with simultaneous launching of the Ganships and attack aircraft A -35C from the surviving units of the Syrian Arab Army. But let us hope that justice will triumph, and the political will of our leadership will not allow our only and brave stronghold of presence in the Middle East to be trampled into the mud.

Information sources:
https://vz.ru/news/2018/4/9/916781.html
https://syria.liveuamap.com/
https://riafan.ru/1045864-gotovsya-rossiya-tramp-podtverdil-plany-ssha-nanesti-raketnyi-udar-po-sirii
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  1. +18
    April 12 2018 05: 58
    I believe that such a development of the situation was taken into account by our General Staff when planning operations in the ATS. The main thing is political will and determination. The situation is complicated and God forbid that everything ends in a peaceful decision.
    1. +6
      April 12 2018 06: 49
      It is reported that all ships from the base of Tartus were launched into the open sea.
      1. +10
        April 12 2018 07: 07
        Quote: Stas157
        It is reported that all ships from the base of Tartus were launched into the open sea.

        There our ships ... except for Grigorovich and 2x pl-only transport ... yes 2 Rooks))))
        1. +3
          April 12 2018 09: 10
          There are more than 20 of our ships and an increase in the group is planned.
          1. 0
            April 14 2018 09: 03
            also saw, somewhere infa slipped that increased to 23 units
        2. +2
          April 12 2018 10: 39
          "The enemy does not surrender our proud" Varangian ""
          1. +1
            April 12 2018 18: 55
            The "Varangian" was just not withdrawn from the raid, and then the Japanese squadron completely blocked it at the port of Chemulpo. Now our fleet is conducting exercises in this area, as reported in the media.
      2. +2
        April 13 2018 23: 08
        You can write "all ships", or you can "both ships" and not lie.
    2. +8
      April 12 2018 08: 43
      Trump and other senior US old men are still impressed by the flight of rockets torn to shreds by the Russian economy (October 11, 2015 26 missiles of the Russian caliber complex left the ships of the Caspian flotilla, passed over the territories of Iran and Iraq, made several U-turns and hit 11 targets in Syria.)
      How to survive this, and even after the Crimean "green and polite"
      Until they themselves show this to the world, they will not calm down, especially .. the first act of their ballet was not very successful and the world did not admire the power of America ...
      So, on April 7, 2017, from the destroyers of the type Arleigh Burke, USS Ross (DDG-71) and USS Porter (DDG-78), the U.S. Navy launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at Shire air base in the Syrian province of Homs
      Trump almost danced a lambada: "According to Trump," they all (missiles) hit the target. " “This is amazing, it is brilliant,” the head of state said. He assured that the military equipment of the USA is the best in the world and surpasses foreign analogues. "
      But again, the Russians ruined all the raspberries - The Russian Ministry of Defense stated that only 23 out of 59 (39%) launched from destroyers flew to the Shairat airbase of the Syrian government forces. And, according to the Russian military, the combat effectiveness of the US missile strike on the Syrian the air base was extremely low.
      (some kind of mysticism - and the dates as chosen — October 7, 2015 and April 7, 2017 — the US strike was at the Pentagon’s statement ... "" By order of the president, US forces launched cruise missile attacks on the Syrian Air Force airfield today at around 20:40 in Washington (4:40 a.m., April 7, local time ..)
    3. +9
      April 12 2018 10: 38
      We are not used to it; we have already fought three times with the "collective West". Twice successfully (with Napoleon and Hitler, with whom all of Europe went to us). Once not very (the Crimean War of 1853-1856, then they fought with the three main empires - the British, French and Ottoman), but they were well battered, especially at the Transcaucasian Theater
    4. +4
      April 12 2018 22: 58
      Nobody needs the world. The contradictions are very strong at the civilizational level, we do not understand and most likely we will never understand each other. Only war can resolve this situation in order to designate peace for at least another 70 years.
      1. 0
        April 14 2018 09: 21
        Our World now resembles "a locked room with psychos, each of whom has a gun, and who was told that they are all enemies of each other." This is sad, especially when you consider what it might lead to.
  2. +10
    April 12 2018 06: 08
    The scenario is this. Everything is much simpler. America after standing near the coast just dumps home. They will stand for a week.
    1. +16
      April 12 2018 06: 32
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      The scenario is this. Everything is much simpler. America after standing near the coast just dumps home. They will stand for a week.

      He doesn’t work out. Trump was worn out about the attack on Syria, if he reversed, it would give an irreparable image blow to the Merikos.
      1. +17
        April 12 2018 07: 07
        He was about to attack the DPRK, but quietly merged.
        1. +12
          April 12 2018 13: 11
          Ancient oriental wisdom "Not the strongest wins, but ready to go to the end" Koreans in that situation were ready to go to the end (well, or they were able to convince the Amers of this), therefore they lagged behind them. How far in a similar situation can Russia go - well, we'll see.
          1. +2
            April 12 2018 14: 02
            Abrash is more than ever right! We must go to the end, otherwise we will lose!
            1. +3
              April 12 2018 19: 55
              To avoid a tweet from Trump, it was necessary to land two Israeli aircraft after a missile strike on the T-4.
              Even if our military was not there, it was worth punishing.
        2. 0
          April 12 2018 19: 45
          The size of the claims is impressive, ........... cannot finish. feel
        3. 0
          April 14 2018 11: 14
          Quote: _Sergey_
          He was about to attack the DPRK, but quietly merged.

          Are you convinced of the correctness of what I wrote?
      2. 0
        April 12 2018 07: 20
        After all, did it go wrong with North Korea?
        1. +1
          April 12 2018 11: 31
          How? They didn’t even get there, not to launch missiles.
      3. +2
        April 12 2018 08: 23
        Quote: Alone
        Doesn’t work out. Trump was completely worn out about the attack on Syria, if he gives a return move, then this will give an irreparable image blow to the mericos

        Yes, he without batting an eye would smear himself somehow of everything previously said. This figure can not be trusted in any cases.
      4. +12
        April 12 2018 10: 43
        If now our ally Assad, on which they want to strike, we should strike at their allies. By the fact that they dug in Kiev. Only carefully so that normal Ukrainians do not suffer, but only "ancient ukro-banderlogs". Well, all this pack, led by a "bucket"
        1. +3
          April 12 2018 12: 47
          Great idea!
        2. CYM
          0
          April 13 2018 00: 16
          Then on Israeli airfields, all the more so for what.
      5. +5
        April 12 2018 13: 06
        You don’t worry about this, even if someone can do it in full measure in any situation, and then trumpet the whole world about their great victory, it’s the Americans, or do you think the ancient Ukrainians learned from their great Are you able to bother?)))
      6. +1
        April 12 2018 14: 25
        He already gave a reverse tweet)
    2. +2
      April 12 2018 07: 30
      In the desert shandarakhnut
      1. +2
        April 12 2018 12: 30
        Quote: Banshee
        In the desert shandarakhnut

        The best option! And it seems like they saved their face, and did no harm to anyone! bully hi
    3. +8
      April 12 2018 08: 18
      Uh, no ... Trump just needs a victorious war. He is completely sure that ours will not get involved.
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      The scenario is this. Everything is much simpler. America after standing near the coast just dumps home. They will stand for a week.
      1. +6
        April 12 2018 10: 35
        Quote: 210ox
        Uh, no ... Trump just needs a victorious war. He is completely sure that ours will not get involved.

        Well, if the US scenario is as described in the article, then we have only two options - either get involved until victorious, or leave Syria, the other is not given.
        1. +9
          April 12 2018 13: 27
          If Russia now leaves Syria (it doesn’t matter under what pretext), it will simply once again demonstrate to the whole world that it is nobody and to call it in any way (how many times it was already, there aren’t enough fingers to count). But the cowardly, as you know, only the lazy one does not kick. There are lots of people who want to. So Russia in Syria is not so much biting for Syria as for itself. Another question, should Russia even get involved in the Syrian disassembly without putting things in order in their home (in Ukraine)? Honestly, I don’t know. But since they got into a dog fight, it’s now too late to squeeze the tail and celebrate the coward.
          1. 0
            April 13 2018 00: 17
            Quote: Abrascha
            Another question, should Russia even get involved in the Syrian disassembly without putting things in order in their home (in Ukraine)?

            I had to. Otherwise, our oil companies would be in full f ... because the Saudis want to build an oil pipeline in Syria from themselves to Europe. Business.
      2. +4
        April 12 2018 10: 54
        It is for nothing that he is so sure of this, now the situation is completely different so that ours do not get involved and act as extras, otherwise all our efforts in Syria would be worthless for several years, and our people would die for that then.
  3. +3
    April 12 2018 06: 47
    "The third phase"

    And the fourth "phase" - the trump will leave the topic ...
    1. 0
      April 12 2018 13: 35
      If Russia behaves decisively, it will be so
  4. +10
    April 12 2018 06: 47
    It will be so, the Americans will shoot with axes, ours will shoot them down. Nobody will shoot at our base, so we will not sink their ships
    1. +4
      April 12 2018 08: 19
      But what about our units in the Duma, in other places?
      Quote: Clever man
      It will be so, the Americans will shoot with axes, ours will shoot them down. Nobody will shoot at our base, so we will not sink their ships
      1. 0
        April 12 2018 12: 13
        You can write a comment if you clearly understand what is happening in this destroyed Syria. For example, I do not understand. If there is a civil war, then where did the "moderate opposition" come from.
        If the Russians are building, but the Syrians do not understand that it must be protected as a strategic object.
        guard the airspace near this bridge and on the ground. I do not understand when from the captured
        Thousands of bandits let out cities, disarming them. But the bandits have caches. And it all starts
        from the beginning. Dima, you are writing about our units. And my question is, why should ours fight instead of the Syrians, whose sense of homeland is clearly not at that level.
    2. +4
      April 12 2018 10: 39
      Quote: Clever man
      Nobody will shoot at our base, so we will not sink their ships

      The only question is whether we need only bases in Syria or all of Syria, or rather a government that is friendly to us, and without it we will lose the bases. So, IMHO, the situation with us is either pan or disappeared. It would be better if Trump was bluffing.
  5. +3
    April 12 2018 07: 11
    I remember at school on contour maps of geography and history I depicted my various battles with arrows and defeated all enemies beautifully!
  6. +9
    April 12 2018 07: 32
    Nothing good shines in a direct clash between Russia and NATO in Syria, I think that the Russian military leadership understands this very well, no matter how good the air defense systems at bases in Syria, they simply will not be enough in case of a massive attack on the subject with tomahawks, another big problem for Russia in this region it is that it has no real allies there, there is no hope for Iran, don’t tell laugh about Turkey, it’s definitely not an ally, moreover, I won’t be surprised if the Turks themselves take an active part in the defeat of Assad, they don’t give a damn about Russia. So the situation in Syria for Russia is really very complicated, I hope that the escape routes for this case were worked out by it and we will choose as they say with minimal losses.
    1. +6
      April 12 2018 07: 56
      Quote: russia2016
      In a direct clash between Russia and NATO, nothing good shines in Syria

      Yes, no one shines anything good. For example, we can also land from the Black Sea, and if the daggers really stand on alert, then the flight time is 6 minutes.
      1. +2
        April 12 2018 13: 04
        For example, we can and from the Black Sea

        Through the territory of Turkey?
        1. +1
          April 12 2018 15: 46
          Pictures of Caliber launches from the Black Sea, take a look, find out.
        2. +3
          April 12 2018 17: 39
          Quote: Arakius
          For example, we can and from the Black Sea

          Through the territory of Turkey?

          recourse with a serious kneading, Russia will not ask anyone for the right to fly their missiles over someone’s territory !!! wink Yes
          1. +2
            April 12 2018 20: 02
            with a serious kneading, Russia will not ask anyone for the right to fly their missiles over someone’s territory !!!

            Those. will go on aggression against Turkey. How long can the Russian group in Syria hold out if Turkey blocks the Black Sea straits, and the USA and England - Gibraltar - a rhetorical question
            1. +2
              April 12 2018 21: 53
              I'm afraid that with a serious batch no one will ask Turkey. And others too. Serious kneading involves the absence of questions. The most important thing is not the possibility of groupings, but the determination of the leadership.
              In the 1940 year, France had both an army and a navy. And decisive generals. Like de Gaulle. But decided to capitulate.
              1. 0
                April 12 2018 22: 16
                Quote: Bakht
                I'm afraid that with a serious batch no one will ask Turkey. And others too. Serious kneading involves the absence of questions. The most important thing is not the possibility of groupings, but the determination of the leadership.
                In the 1940 year, France had both an army and a navy. And decisive generals. Like de Gaulle. But decided to capitulate.


                Decisive French generals were not given the opportunity to reorganize the army in accordance with the requirements of the time, and decisive generals were not able to overcome the resistance of the old crowd in the army and in the French parliament.
                1. +1
                  April 12 2018 22: 22
                  I am not talking about what had to be done before the war. In June 1940, France had the third fleet in the world, a huge army in the colonies, huge resources in the same colonies: Algeria, Indochina. It was necessary to withdraw five to ten personnel divisions in Algeria and prepare for a new battle. But the leadership decided to capitulate.
                  Suppose the Germans would take Moscow in November 1941 of the year. Would the USSR capitulate?
                  1. 0
                    April 13 2018 16: 30
                    Quote: Bakht
                    I am not talking about what had to be done before the war. In June 1940, France had the third fleet in the world, a huge army in the colonies, huge resources in the same colonies: Algeria, Indochina. It was necessary to withdraw five to ten personnel divisions in Algeria and prepare for a new battle. But the leadership decided to capitulate.
                    Suppose the Germans would take Moscow in November 1941 of the year. Would the USSR capitulate?


                    In the case of the capture of Moscow, which was the most important transportation hub of the country, where the most important railway communications of the western part of the USSR converged as the center of the web, the situation of the Red Army and the whole country as a whole became much worse since the USSR could no longer transfer troops along the front line so quickly from north to south and in the opposite direction. In this case, the Germans received a substantial advantage for the turnover.



                    As for the French army, France, having decent resources for a number of reasons, could not really use them effectively before the start of the German offensive. Then the Germans quickly occupied most of the territory of France and most of the French defense industry enterprises fell under the control of the Germans and even if the French continued to resist in North Africa, this would not be of real benefit to France. To rely on the real help of the British at this time was not worth it. The English metropolis itself from the second half of the 1941 year and until April 1943 year barely barely held. Another important factor was that the French themselves began to realize that in the event of their further resistance to the Germans, the USA and the BI would get real benefit from this, and the situation of France itself would not improve it in any way. Rather, a turn. As a result, soon after the defeat in 1940, the French and Germans began to try to somehow establish relations between the two countries. And this is despite the fact that Germany and France had been constantly at odds with each other for several centuries.
                    1. 0
                      April 13 2018 17: 34
                      I know the significance of the Moscow transport hub. The question was a little different. Would the USSR surrender after the fall of Moscow? I doubt it. Would it be hard? Of course. The outcome of the war is also difficult to predict.
                      France is a different matter. In general, say the truth, except for the little things. And in them the whole point. By relying on Algeria and a million-strong army, a long exhausting struggle in North Africa could have been avoided. England would not have had to disperse forces and send reinforcements to Africa. In general, it would be masculine. But it was believed that maintaining a peaceful life was more pleasant.
                      It was a psychological mood to fight. Moreover, it is the political leadership. Now Russia has much less resources than the USSR had in the 1941 year. And a much more powerful adversary. You can give up. Like the French in 1940. It is quite reasonable and pragmatic. Ask this question on the site and get an answer.
                      Again. There will be political will and determination of the leadership - the country will win. Will not - you can give up immediately. This was the point.
                      1. 0
                        April 13 2018 21: 13
                        Quote: Bakht
                        I know the significance of the Moscow transport hub. The question was a little different. Would the USSR surrender after the fall of Moscow? I doubt it. Would it be hard? Of course. The outcome of the war is also difficult to predict.
                        France is a different matter. In general, say the truth, except for the little things. And in them the whole point. By relying on Algeria and a million-strong army, a long exhausting struggle in North Africa could have been avoided. England would not have had to disperse forces and send reinforcements to Africa. In general, it would be masculine. But it was believed that maintaining a peaceful life was more pleasant.
                        It was a psychological mood to fight. Moreover, it is the political leadership. Now Russia has much less resources than the USSR had in the 1941 year. And a much more powerful adversary. You can give up. Like the French in 1940. It is quite reasonable and pragmatic. Ask this question on the site and get an answer.
                        Again. There will be political will and determination of the leadership - the country will win. Will not - you can give up immediately. This was the point.


                        I also don’t think that the USSR would give up even after the loss of Moscow. But I suppose that the situation of the USSR starting in the spring of the 1942 year would become much worse than it was in reality. Now, despite the fact that Russia is much weaker than the USSR on the eve of the Second World War, Russia still has the opportunity to inflict the USA or several leading NATO countries using nuclear weapons, the USSR was simply not capable of huge damage in the 1941 year because it had no means to with the help of which one could get the enemy overseas.

                        As for the relationship between BI and France during the WWII, their union was forced and in France they also understood this very well. And they knew that BI can’t be trusted. And why in this case, France to fight for the sake of saving the BI or in order for the US to use the victory results first of all? And pay attention to the fact that despite the shameful defeat of France in the 1940 year, relations between Germany and France began to improve, and relations between France and the BI / USA began to fade into the background. In France, they have not forgotten how BI from the beginning of the 30's tried its best to make Germany become on the mainland a kind of counterbalance to France.
            2. +3
              April 13 2018 02: 36
              Quote: Arakius
              Those. will go on aggression against Turkey. How long can the Russian group in Syria hold out if Turkey blocks the Black Sea straits, and the USA and England - Gibraltar - a rhetorical question

              recourse recourse recourse Apparently, you from the sofa, carried away by computer toys, do not quite perceive reality ... especially the reality that will be in the case of military kneading !!! what fool fool wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
              1. +3
                April 13 2018 15: 17
                Apparently, you from the sofa, carried away by computer toys, do not quite perceive reality ... especially the reality that will be in the case of military kneading !!! what fool fool wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

                Did you say that about yourself? Yes, and in the third person with emoticons (rejoice at the possibility of military kneading?)

                In the case of “military kneading”, the Russian group in Syria will be torn up like a hot-water bottle, because the balance of power is very unequal, your commander-in-chief will limit himself to the usual growl from the bushes, and the next kiselevshin about the mnogohodovochka will be let down from the TV from the TV
      2. +2
        April 12 2018 17: 37
        Quote: zyzx
        Quote: russia2016
        In a direct clash between Russia and NATO, nothing good shines in Syria

        Yes, no one shines anything good. For example, we can also land from the Black Sea, and if the daggers really stand on alert, then the flight time is 6 minutes.

        can from the Caspian Sea "Caliber" rage on the Euro-Americans and their henchmen in northeast Syria !! request
    2. +9
      April 12 2018 08: 33
      You do not have to talk only about the air defense system, we are talking about a counter strike against the carriers in conjunction with the air defense work, Syria is an outpost, after it is Iran and through Turkey the Caucasus and Central Asia.
    3. +6
      April 12 2018 10: 11
      Quote: russia2016
      no matter how good the air defense systems at bases in Syria, they simply will not be enough in case of a massive attack on the subject with tomahawks

      In this case, it remains to prepare guaranteed unacceptable damage. So far, Russia will answer on carriers in the sea. Syria can shoot back even in Israel. Let them attend to not only “punishment”, but also responsibility for the desire to punish.
    4. +4
      April 12 2018 12: 38
      Quote: russia2016
      Nothing good shines in a direct clash between Russia and NATO in Syria, I think that the Russian military leadership understands this very well,

      The most interesting thing is that in this case, NATO does not shine anything good!
      For some reason, you are sure that the conflict will be limited exclusively to the territory of Syria - and that’s all. Imagine that an attack on our military will receive an adequate response. And the ships will sink, and the Patriots will try to repel a missile attack on the air force base. The answer to our means will already lead to global conflict and unpredictable consequences. At the same time, the West will have to lose much more than we - we are not starting this conflict, but we are ready for it. hi
      1. +2
        April 12 2018 13: 06
        The answer to our means will already lead to global conflict and unpredictable consequences.

        Well this is unlikely. If even some sort of Turkey was forgiven for a downed plane ...
        1. +2
          April 12 2018 16: 35
          Quote: Arakius
          The answer to our means will already lead to global conflict and unpredictable consequences.

          Well this is unlikely. If even some sort of Turkey was forgiven for a downed plane ...

          The answer by our means - it will not be in Turkey or Syria, but on the bases on the territory of Russia. And this is a threat to the existence of the country. And according to our military doctrine, the answer is ALL legitimate means, including strategic nuclear. Do not hope that this will not happen.
          1. +3
            April 12 2018 20: 05
            Hoping it's worth you. And to the Americans. Because I don’t care: in Ukraine no one will throw nuclear bombs, but the USA and the Russian Federation will cease to exist together with the majority of their population
            1. +4
              April 12 2018 20: 08
              The new plan of Ukraine, everyone will destroy everyone in a nuclear war, it will not be necessary to repay debts to the West and are afraid of Russian aggression. Go to Rada, there your plan is waiting)
            2. +1
              April 12 2018 21: 55
              The indirect action strategy assumes that Russian troops will enter the border between Poland and Hungary. And even without nuclear bombs. And even without the "Russian troops".
              1. +1
                April 12 2018 22: 57
                Another multi-path?

                Russian troops will enter the border of Poland and Hungary

                And even without the "Russian troops".

                She is good
                1. +1
                  April 12 2018 23: 09
                  Does it matter which troops will control the border? If these troops are not Ukrainian? Suppose they will be called "troops of New Russia." What claims to Moscow?
                  And let the rabbit's ears stick out of the hat. With such a mess that will be in Syria, no one will see a rabbit in a hat. The Poles will scream a lot ... But for them there is a carrot.
                  1. +1
                    April 13 2018 15: 19
                    Suppose they will be called "troops of New Russia." What claims to Moscow?

                    Is it you so reassuring yourself? Crimea and Donbass already cost you a dollar - 60 rubles., All of Ukraine will cost even more
                    1. 0
                      April 13 2018 16: 15
                      I don’t need to reassure myself. I look from the side. But unlike some, I can think broader than a dollar in my pocket.
                      Believe the person who knows what he is talking about. The increment of land, population, bases, resources is so important that it does not measure any ruble dollar.
                      Let's say Crimea holds the entire southern flank of NATO. Donbass is coal, ore, people. The mistake of the Russian leadership was that in 2014 Poroshenko was recognized. That is, they recognized the coup in Ukraine. But now there is an opportunity to correct this error.
                      With this view of things, the ruble-dollar ratio does not make any sense at all. Let's say you offer a ratio of 100 per dollar and in exchange Kiev. Swing without looking?
                      1. +3
                        April 13 2018 17: 54
                        The increment of land, population, bases, resources is so important that it does not measure any ruble dollar.

                        So can Tajikistan join you?) You have undeveloped Siibir and ramshat with jamshut at your side, why do you need Ukraine?

                        Let's say Crimea holds the entire southern flank of NATO

                        North of Crimea - Ukraine, Belarus, Russia - these are not all NATO countries. Further south, there is one NATO country - Turkey. You made a mistake in geography

                        Donbass is coal, ore, people.

                        Judging by the behavior of your leadership, they do not need anything from this list.

                        The mistake of the Russian leadership was that in 2014 Poroshenko was recognized. That is, they recognized the coup in Ukraine.

                        Poroshenko is the lawfully elected president of the country, so that you do not speak there in Russia
                        The mistake of your leadership is that it generally went on the adventure of capturing the Crimea and Donbass, in the spirit of the capture by Hitler Sudeten. The mistake is that it went to a new cold war with the West - while the Russian Federation is weaker than the USSR and therefore the Cold War will end the same as last time, only faster. The balance of power (economy, population, army) of NATO / Russia stupidly leaves you no chance, which is even evident from your propaganda - it exactly copies Hitler’s: 1) hope for a wunderwaffe (atomic bomb, petrel, etc.) ) and 2) confidence in the superiority of Russians over other nations, that’s all you really have

                        Let's say offer a ratio of 100 per dollar and in return Kiev. Swing without looking?

                        You don’t even understand what savagery you said. "Wave" the city in which people live. Are they slaves? Does their opinion mean nothing?

                        Well, how much your dollar will cost there, by and large it’s violet to me, but it’s clear that the higher the rate, the stronger you will have to tighten your belts, down to the spine
            3. 0
              April 13 2018 09: 09
              Quote: Arakius
              Hoping it's worth you. And to the Americans. Because I don’t care: in Ukraine no one will throw nuclear bombs, but the USA and the Russian Federation will cease to exist together with the majority of their population

              From your words, you might think that Ukraine is on another planet! In the event of an exchange of nuclear strikes throughout Europe, 90% of the people will be destroyed, no one will stand aside!
              Quote: Pissarro
              The new plan of Ukraine, everyone will destroy everyone in a nuclear war, it will not be necessary to repay debts to the West and are afraid of Russian aggression. Go to Rada, there your plan is waiting)

              good Great spotted! hi
              1. +2
                April 13 2018 15: 21
                In the case of nuclear exchanges throughout Europe, 90% of the people will be destroyed

                Countries with nuclear weapons in Europe make up less than 20% of its population. Russia threatens a nuclear terrorist attack on non-nuclear-weapon countries, do I understand you correctly?

                Are you on the way to the DPRK, comrades?
                1. 0
                  April 13 2018 16: 19
                  Remove the word "terrorist" and everything will fall into place. Yes, the military doctrine of the Russian Federation involves the first nuclear strike in the event of a threat to its security. Everyone in the world has known this for a long time. I personally know about ten years. And in Europe they are well aware of this. And for some reason no one is outraged. NATO generals said "at least honestly"
                  1. +1
                    April 13 2018 17: 59
                    The word "terrorist" in its place. Terrorism is a way of influencing the authorities by threatening to kill and killing its civilians (rather than soldiers on the battlefield). So, the threat of dropping nuclear bombs on cities of European nations that do not have weapons of mass destruction is essentially terrorist
                    1. 0
                      April 13 2018 18: 19
                      The bombing of Dresden and Vietnam were terrorist. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Terrorist attempts to change power in another country by worsening the lives of its citizens. This is all your terminology. Read carefully. "When threatening the sovereignty and integrity of the Russian Federation, nuclear weapons are used." There will be no threat, there will be no application. NATO will withdraw its troops from the borders of Russia and there will be no need.
                      And about the fact that someone has or does not have nuclear weapons ... Do not have yourself to blame. In war, any weapon is used. And if we need to withdraw from the war, say, Poland, then Poland will use any weapon. Including nuclear. The same applies to all other NATO countries. Kstavti, sobering well.
                      Your words resemble the lamentations of the Yagitleerites: guerrilla warfare is contrary to civilized methods of warfare and illegal. Nonsense. You can kill the enemy - kill. And with what: with a shovel or a nuclear bomb these are already details.
                      1. +1
                        April 13 2018 18: 45
                        Actually, with such maxims you dehumanize yourself in the eyes of the enemy and others. And it’s okay for you personally, but it’s what your state does in front of the whole world around you (which has put such thoughts into your head through propaganda)

                        And therefore, if the Russian Federation gives slack, then no one will regret it. Even Poland
  7. +14
    April 12 2018 08: 39
    in Syria, combined air defense of the SAR and the Russian Air Force
    under the control of ACS Foundation, Polyana Д4М, Baikal, as well as ACS are interfaced with radars of the type Sky-SV
    total number of missiles in salvo exceeds 2000
    so that neither the 1 phase (550 KR) nor the 2 phase (680 KR) present particular difficulties in parrying
    + EW the same Krasukha and REP on various media
    and for the 3 phase there are Su-35, Su-30, MiG-29 (CAP) and all the same combined air defense (!)
    1. +1
      April 12 2018 10: 11
      Actually, they forgot about the submarines.
      1. +6
        April 12 2018 10: 16
        In fact, they forgot the sub

        this is from a series of shock measures
        yes, DEPL ave. 636.6, I also think Kirp had already lurked a couple from Schuk ave. 971 and Antey ave. 949
        + Tu-22M3M with anti-ship missiles X-32, DBK Bastion with anti-ship missiles P-800 Onyx - TsU from the spacecraft 2525 already over Syria
        * By the way, OTRK Iskander and SLCM Caliber perfectly shoots at the control center from "2525" on US infrastructure
    2. +4
      April 12 2018 11: 03
      All this is good, but you forgot about the electronic warfare of our opponents ... Nobody has tested them in action yet and we are not aware of their effectiveness.
      1. +3
        April 12 2018 11: 18
        EW of our opponents I do not even take into account
        Boeing EA-18 "Growler" so it does not even fit into the radar radius of the S-400, C-300В4, C-200 air defense systems
        especially in the radius of the electronic warfare Krasukha
        * The coastal complex EW Murmansk-BN is also in Syria, but its radius is impressive specifically in 5000 km.
        1. +3
          April 12 2018 11: 24
          Israel can intervene and help EW complexes
          1. +2
            April 12 2018 11: 37
            Israel can intervene and help EW complexes

            see above, * OTRK and SLCM
            Well, we also have KR Alabuga - electro-magnetic weapons with explosive generator which operate at an altitude of the order of 200-300 m, which made it possible to "cover" ground objects within an 3,5 radius of km with an electromagnetic pulse
    3. +3
      April 12 2018 12: 41
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      total number of missiles in salvo exceeds 2000

      Right? But such a quantity of missiles in a salvo absolutely does not correspond to the official amount of air defense systems. Or did you consider ALL SAMs, including military air defense and air defense of the battlefield? hi
      1. +1
        April 12 2018 13: 29
        Sane SAM The combined air defense of the SAR and the airborne forces is:
        18 Buk-M2, 36 Shell-1С + 3 at VKS, 16 ПУ С-400, 6 ПУ-300В4, 10 ТУ, 16 ПУ С-300 ПУМУ1, 48 ПУУ
        Air defense missile defense in salvo is: 862 SAM
        and also YES, there is an anti-aircraft defense:
        60 Wasp, 60 Arrow-10, 100 Arrow-1
        BK SAM air defense system in salvo is: 1100 SAM

        Total BC ~ 1962 SAM
        Not confirmed the presence of old air defense systems S-125 - 150 PU = 600 SAM., After so many years of war
        1. 0
          April 12 2018 16: 43
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          Sane SAM The combined air defense of the SAR and the airborne forces is:
          18 Buk-M2, 36 Shell-1С + 3 at VKS, 16 ПУ С-400, 6 ПУ-300В4, 10 ТУ, 16 ПУ С-300 ПУМУ1, 48 ПУУ
          Air defense missile defense in salvo is: 862 SAM
          and also YES, there is an anti-aircraft defense:
          60 Wasp, 60 Arrow-10, 100 Arrow-1
          BK SAM air defense system in salvo is: 1100 SAM

          Total BC ~ 1962 SAM
          Not confirmed the presence of old air defense systems S-125 - 150 PU = 600 SAM., After so many years of war

          Cross out from the Shell-Tori and below - these only protect themselves, and what is next to them. And it’s not a fact that they will work effectively with axes. But our Syrian S-200s, it seems, have modernized and restored - they must be taken into account, but there is no such information about 125. But how many of them - no one knows. Next - S-200,300,400 - at least two missiles per target. Given the terrain - there will be more. You can really fight successfully with hundreds of targets with a massive raid - this is according to your numbers and an optimistic forecast. hi
          1. 0
            April 12 2018 18: 23
            At the head of the combined air defense are ACS Foundation and Polyana, so that the relief can be discarded immediately. A control center is issued by a specific air defense missile system, and even an anti-aircraft missile system, up to the Tor air defense system and the Pantsir-S1
            * By the way, ZRPK Pantsir perfectly cut down two OTRK Points in the Donbas, at a speed of 1100 m / second
            1. 0
              April 13 2018 09: 24
              Quote: Romario_Argo
              At the head of the combined air defense are ACS Foundation and Polyana, so that the relief can be discarded immediately. A control center is issued by a specific air defense missile system, and even an anti-aircraft missile system, up to the Tor air defense system and the Pantsir-S1
              * By the way, ZRPK Pantsir perfectly cut down two OTRK Points in the Donbas, at a speed of 1100 m / second

              Syrian air defense as part of the ACS does not work, as for the military - like the Shell and Thor (but they are also mostly Syrian), similarly big doubts. Etm ACS in general for the air defense, which was previously designated as the country's air defense. Target designations on the Shell, of course, can be issued, but this will not be a full-fledged work as part of the ACS. It is not necessary to compare the obsolete Point flying along a ballistic trajectory without maneuvering with a cruise missile, using the terrain and having a small EPR. The tactics of using the Kyrgyz Republic in this region involves launching them under the cover of mountains, for example, the Antilivan mountain range between Syria and Lebanon, and then the Kyrgyz Republic falls to a minimum height, following the topography. The carapace, especially the Syrian, can neither detect nor destroy on its own in a timely manner. And besides, historically, Syrian squadrons have always shown themselves extremely poorly in confrontation with Israel. And they do not have any work experience as part of the ACS. God forbid, of course, that this has now changed, but we really need to hope only for Russian forces and means, and there are very few of them. The hope here is different - without aviation, it is impossible to cause serious damage to the SAA alone with cruise missiles, especially since now the forces of the SAA are already dispersed. And the use of aviation will inevitably lead to the risk of unacceptable losses - this is extremely sensitive in the USA after Vietnam. And the risk of sinking ships - carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic also acts sobering. hi
  8. 0
    April 12 2018 08: 51
    I would very much like common sense to triumph ... But such is hardly available in the minds of American leaders ... We'll see. If in Syria we cling to the Americans and begin to press them, the ground operation to invade the Russian Federation will begin. From three directions, at least ...
    1. +4
      April 12 2018 10: 18
      Quote: AleBors
      I would very much like common sense to triumph ... But such is hardly available in the minds of American leaders ... We'll see. If in Syria we cling to the Americans and begin to press them, the ground operation to invade the Russian Federation will begin. From three directions, at least ...

      And the operation "teacher" will begin - some in the euro and American schools will become a double!
    2. +5
      April 12 2018 10: 26
      Do not hope that in their heads there is no place for common sense, everything has long been supplanted by the meaning of profit, robbery and impunity. They do not stick to us, how to profit if they are guaranteed to be destroyed! They know this very well. Could do it with impunity, would have slipped in a long time.
      1. +5
        April 12 2018 10: 44
        Your words to God’s ears ... And who will give the order for destruction? Is there enough will? It’s only Un’s steel testicles .... Do not forget that the authorities today are people who are not our compatriots. And for the sake of preserving their wealth, they will go to any meanness .. And a few patriots with a serious kneading will either block or destroy.
        So it’s not so simple.
    3. +8
      April 12 2018 10: 41
      With three, which ones? From the Baltic states, Ukraine and the Far East? Do not make me laugh. To start a massive invasion, it is necessary to concentrate the massive shock parts. Armored fists and motorized shock formations. Where are you watching such forces?
      Hitler before the attack on the USSR how many divisions concentrated? Or do you think that those few brigades deployed in Poland and the Baltic can wedge deep into Russia?
      Ground invasion is possible only if the Merikos succeed in completely suppressing our air defense, then working out all the troop concentration places by aviation, and only after the suppression is completely suppressed can they risk a ground operation. This is their standard tactic, otherwise they simply are not capable of fighting. Or do you really think that the "brave" American Marines, like in a Hollywood movie, will go chest on machine guns?
      1. +2
        April 12 2018 10: 58
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Where are you watching such forces?

        I observe in Europe.

        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Or do you really think that the "brave" American Marines, like in a Hollywood movie, will go chest on machine guns?

        They won’t go. To do this, there are all sorts of ukrosumery, Balts and Poles.

        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Ground invasion is possible only if the Merikos succeed in completely suppressing our air defense, then work out all the places where troops are concentrated by aviation and only after the resistance is completely suppressed

        In terms of aviation and means of suppression on the European theater of operations, the alignment of forces is unfortunately not in our favor.
        The Far East is being hastily strengthened. But so far this direction is rather weak.
        Conclusions are made by me based on the information collected. And she is not always reliable. Own a large volume, share))
        1. +11
          April 12 2018 11: 26
          I will share it if you want. How many specific NATO forces are gathered in Europe? Notice the ready troops, mobilized, trained and fully equipped?
          I see this for now, and you?
          I hope you will not argue that the forces of the countries of Tribaltia pose at least some serious threat? The main chain dog is Poland, but its army is unlikely to be able to pass through Belarus. The only threat to Kaliningrad will be stopped by blocking the Suvalkinsky corridor. All Tribaltics will be withdrawn from the war within one to two days. It’s just that they will not be able to transfer NATO’s combat-ready contingent there, it will not have time. Yes, and whom to transfer? Germans or French? But will they want a repetition of 1945 or 1814 with the Cossacks, well, or our paratroopers cooking near the Brandenburg Gate or on the Champs Elysees? I somehow strongly doubt it.
          And no one has canceled the concept of a massive nuclear strike against a NATO bloc in our Defense Ministry.
          So I think the scenario with a full-fledged invasion is unlikely, rather we should wait for a massive, possibly non-nuclear attack on key points on the territory of the Russian Federation, but this again is fraught with an answer, and possibly a nuclear one. Is NATO ready for such a development? I personally am not sure ... recourse
          1. +1
            April 12 2018 11: 55
            Thank. Your point of view is clear. I agree in many ways. And in the Baltic states and non-nuclear strike. I also agree on the moral-volitional component of the soldiers of Europe. It is unlikely that they will want a repetition, but information from any hamster can make a maniac am . And a lot of time is not required.
            And I have doubts about the answer. I do not believe that there is enough will for the current leadership to order the use of nuclear weapons. request
            1. +6
              April 12 2018 12: 19
              I believe that nuclear weapons will be used only as a last resort. It’s not a hunt to die for anyone, but even more so with big money and power. But there is one caveat. Our elite, how not to treat it, is still not made up of fools, and therefore perfectly understands that since we have entered into a confrontation with the Anglo-Saxon world, there is no turning back. The Anglo-Saxons never forgive anything to anyone, which means that in the event of Russia's defeat, none of them and their children will survive or hide, and even more so they will not be able to use the “honestly acquired” assets, even if they raise them right now paws to the top and run to give up. They will be destroyed anyway, and I think they are fully aware of this. And since they will have nothing to lose, as indeed all of our people in case of defeat, then as the famous film said: SO DON'T REACH ANYONE TO YOU! In general, the whole world is in ruins ... It is sad of course, but in my opinion this is a fact.
              1. 0
                April 12 2018 12: 33
                Maybe you are right. But for "do not get it to anyone," you also need a strong will. I suspect that with this, “our” elite is just not very ... They will dance to the end to the tune of the hosts. And to the end, believe that they will be given "to live for themselves" ...
                In both cases, the development of the situation is a sad prospect ...
                1. +4
                  April 12 2018 14: 05
                  Quote: AleBors
                  Maybe you are right. But for "do not get it to anyone," you also need a strong will. I suspect that with this, “our” elite is just not very ...

                  You forgot about the replica of the GDP - "Why do we need a world without Russia?"
                  1. 0
                    April 12 2018 15: 12
                    Wow ... Only GDP a) is not eternal b) alone does not solve anything.
    4. +1
      April 12 2018 11: 02
      If they turn to us, this will be the most stupid and thoughtless step on their part.
    5. +3
      April 12 2018 17: 46
      Quote: AleBors
      ground operation to invade the Russian Federation will begin. From three directions, at least ...

      and it will end for the "intruders" is very sad !!! Yes wassat wassat wassat
    6. +3
      April 12 2018 20: 10
      Who will invade, who else have soldiers not pregnant?)
      1. +2
        April 13 2018 02: 38
        but hell knows !!! request wassat wassat it is necessary for the "genius" to whom I answered, ask !!! wink Yes laughing laughing laughing
      2. +2
        April 13 2018 02: 40
        Quote: Pissarro
        Who will invade, who else have soldiers not pregnant?)

        but hell knows !!! request wassat wassat it is necessary for the "genius" to whom I answered, ask !!! wink Yes laughing laughing laughing
        1. 0
          April 17 2018 15: 39
          Very witty ... what
  9. +4
    April 12 2018 08: 54
    There comes a moment of truth. wink
    1. +5
      April 12 2018 12: 21
      In the sense of "grandmother came" ?! lol
  10. +3
    April 12 2018 09: 40
    Quote: 210ox
    Uh, no ... Trump just needs a victorious war. He is completely sure that ours will not get involved.

    It may also be that the leaders of this world purposefully plunge the world into chaos, for the arrival of a world leader.
    It may also be that they want to collapse the same global, western financial system, and at the same time write off debts.
    Another option could be a confusion of the center of power in Israel, because the puzzle of events speaks of this, the recognition of Jerusalem, the annexation of the Golan Heights, will soon reach the destruction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque (Umar-Omar). Further on the scenario .......
  11. +2
    April 12 2018 09: 49
    Crimean war number 2 with the same results
  12. +2
    April 12 2018 10: 07
    Third article one cowards
    They are afraid of war and will receive
    No one will use nuclear weapons. Authors liberal underpants
  13. +1
    April 12 2018 10: 30
    Damantsev, he is such a Daman-HEAD. Everything will be different.
  14. +17
    April 12 2018 10: 34
    So the time came X, where WE, and where the "partners", the prime minister spoke at the State Duma yesterday, all went into eloquence, but in fact, EMPTY, more than 22 million Russian citizens live below the poverty line, but the palaces of the "elite" the so-called corruption and corruption are just “pleasing”. Since the 90s, normal politicians, experts and specialists, just the PATRIOTS of Russia, said they rang the bells, you need to develop your industry, no, they stubbornly lagged behind the Anglo-Saxons. They scold STALIN, and for 13 years from 1928 to 1941 he generally created a new Russia, more precisely the USSR, which became the second largest power in the world in economics, for 13 years, you have ruled more than 27 in the country, poor fellow, mediocre, cowardly, thieving. Now everything will be decided - INDUSTRY, and NOT YOU lawyers sitting in power.
    1. +1
      April 12 2018 11: 07
      What are the palaces? What is the elite? In the war, everyone is equal and rich and poor ....!
      1. +6
        April 12 2018 12: 05
        This is who is equal in the war: Sechin, Dvorkovich, Medvedev, Miller, Usmanov. Abramovich, etc., or those who receive a pension of 10 thousand rubles a month? What are they equal?
        1. +2
          April 13 2018 15: 23
          This is who is equal in the war: Sechin, Dvorkovich, Medvedev, Miller, Usmanov. Abramovich, etc., or those who receive a pension of 10 thousand rubles a month? What are they equal?

          The first make mistakes, and the second pay for them
      2. +2
        April 12 2018 15: 33
        Quote: MAZANDARAN
        What are the palaces? What is the elite? In the war, everyone is equal and rich and poor ....!

        You do not understand, dear! The author had in mind that the country was torn apart by pockets, making profits and building palaces, and now industry is very important, which, in fact, is not!
    2. 0
      April 12 2018 11: 18
      Learn to count) since the death of Stalin passed 65 years, not 27 bully
  15. +3
    April 12 2018 10: 51
    So the time has come when directly to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia and Moscow as a whole it is necessary to gather all the military-political will into a fist and give a tough answer
    Yes, we’ve already gathered, we’re just waiting for us to be given a real reason, after which some will finally lose their world dominance.
    A serious blow to Syria untie our hands for a very tough response against provocateurs of all stripes. Let us recall everything: the poisoning of the violins, and the demolitions of the monuments to our soldiers by the Poles, and of Bandera ...
  16. +5
    April 12 2018 11: 01
    The whole point is that Russia is now in an advantageous position! If you look closely, everything around Russia is very “dangerous” in appearance! But it’s easier to defend than to attack! Because all weapons are defensive! For Russia, the more complicated the easier!
  17. +2
    April 12 2018 11: 13
    In these situations, the chances are not enough ... but also but. Many, many factors will affect the development of the already "hot" phase. The first is a blow to the aggressors themselves, the second is what gentlemen do ... not to polites !!!!
  18. +8
    April 12 2018 11: 16
    As Mowgli said, “Now we can only fight.” - "Red dogs" in the face of the United States, Britain, France and Israel, are going to kill.
  19. +10
    April 12 2018 11: 17
    Russians! I crossed my fingers for you! Good luck I hope everything ends with positive results for you.
  20. +5
    April 12 2018 11: 35
    Eugene, today you are the third all-round proponent at VO together with Skomorokhov and Samsonov. And before you wrote, apparently, this is your credo? Three stages, five-went bunny for a walk. We observed all this whistle-blow with threats and demonstrations at the beginning of the year on the example of the DPRK! And what? How did it all end? And why did you decide that the Russian Federation is somewhat inferior to the DPRK? Are the people demoralized, or have the Sun fled somewhere? $ jumped up so this old favorite striped toy. What are the real signs of the beginning of the Apocalypse you found? Or highly like? No need to sow panic in the minds
    1. +2
      April 12 2018 18: 53
      Lovers of Hailie Likely will end up embracing with lovers of Hail Schicklgruber!
  21. +1
    April 12 2018 11: 52
    The "first phase" of the strike may include more than 1 - 450 air attack weapons .......
    and the forces and means that Syria now has, how much can theoretically intercept from this amount? Do you know how many launchers and missiles our air defense now has? and how is that very “umbrella” over the Syria about which we spoke a couple of weeks ago, the GPS jammer in operation or the signal suppression turned off?
    1. 0
      April 12 2018 13: 36
      a year ago they said that we could intercept a maximum of 50 missiles under the condition of small interference. But now it is not clear how much air defense we have there. Plus, if the information about 40 pansers is correct, then they can still shoot + 100. Purely physically without reb, probably 20 percent of the first wave will be able to tumble down.
      1. 0
        April 12 2018 17: 58
        Thanks, I found above that 2000 anti-missile systems are ready, I don’t understand where the "dome" that prevented the Americans from flying .....
  22. +1
    April 12 2018 11: 55
    What will Russia choose shame or war? But he who chooses between shame and war receives both shame and war. This is an axiom.
    1. 0
      April 12 2018 23: 15
      ..who chooses shame, gets both shame and war.
  23. +4
    April 12 2018 11: 58
    These are all military aspects of the situation. The question is much simpler and more primitive. The defeat of Syrian forces is possible only in one case. If Russia leaves its ally. Then you can forget about the foreign policy of Russia. As well as her presence at the UN. If Russia defends Assad and begins to shoot down missiles and (most importantly) destroy carriers, then this is a direct war. And talking about Syria no longer even makes sense. The stakes are much higher.
    So the question is one: is there enough for the political leadership of the Russian Federation to order the destruction of the aggressor? That's all there is to talk about.
    1. +2
      April 12 2018 18: 55
      Attention - a question!
      How many allies will run to Russia if it leaves Syria?
      1. +1
        April 12 2018 18: 57
        Quote: Quzmi4
        Attention - a question!
        How many allies will run to Russia if it leaves Syria?

        The next question is how many allies do Russia have now?
        1. 0
          April 12 2018 23: 17
          One less than Israel.
  24. 0
    April 12 2018 12: 11
    Concerning China: I am interested in China - and so: American in Chinese is a “beautiful state man”, and Russian is “this, unexpectedly, a network” —to whom is friend?
  25. +2
    April 12 2018 12: 38
    Who could have suggested that we have such a huge number of military-political experts. I would never have thought without reading the comments on this topic. Not tired of scaring each other, friends?
    1. +1
      April 13 2018 18: 49
      You're right. Unfortunately, there are a lot of belligerent voivode-shtafirs here. Hasek also made fun of such people in the immortal Svejk. * We will strike ... * * And our missiles ... *
  26. 0
    April 12 2018 12: 59
    Capitalism.

    Under capitalism, the contract system does not work.

    Who remembers the USSR? Remember how much a lawyer earned under socialism? It's funny to think it over. They were practically not needed. Because the system did not create conflicts.

    We look now. Lawyer is the most paid profession. Very comfortable. And also does not bear any responsibility.
    Competition lays down conflicts. Therefore, you need a legitimate fighter for your property. You can’t get Colt and equalize yourself in law?

    Therefore, in order for society to be in balance, to exclude a huge number of conflicts, it is necessary to change the macroeconomic system.

    The main source of social problems is the interests of the financial system.

    Definition

    A system is a field of choice of possibilities in which the choice necessary for the system always lies on the surface.
  27. 0
    April 12 2018 13: 01
    Mr. Damantsev, you are very detailed, even scrupulously analyzing the alignment of forces between Russia and the United States in Syria. So calmly make predictions. You yourself do not understand that there will not be a simple collision. This will be the third world, in which there will be neither winners nor losers.
    1. +1
      April 12 2018 13: 26
      Here is her one interesting player .... Israel.
      Will bomb Syria? You can get a couple of Iskanders in Tel Aviv. No one has enough spirit for Jerusalem. But Tel Aviv is a great target.
      Otitsitsya aside? Given the previous attacks, it is unlikely to succeed. Conclusion: you need to sit on the pope very quietly. Even the media does not say anything. When the winner is determined, it will be possible to cast a vote.
    2. +2
      April 12 2018 17: 57
      Quote: Dmitri Kopilenko
      in which there will be neither winners nor losers.

      not a fact .. it all depends on the state and capabilities of the nuclear triad and air defense / missile defense !!! there is a possibility that the Americans will be zilch ... then there will be no third world war, and America will cease to exist !!! wink Yes wassat wassat wassat
      1. +2
        April 12 2018 21: 47
        The fact is that until the weapon fired, no one knows its capabilities. The whole Internet is filled with the miracle of missile defense like S-300, S-400, Armor and Torah. Where were they used really? Both sides are at risk here. If the Russian missile defense proves impenetrable (well, not absolutely of course), then the States will surrender instantly .. And all the others, too. If the Tomahawks break through the Russian missile defense, the alignment will be completely different. There will be a massive attack.
        But ... who can accurately predict the result of a massive strike by Tomahawks or other missiles? It seems that Israel conducted reconnaissance in battle. 5 out of 8 is a good result for both sides. What will be the result of the launch of suppose 100 rockets? Subsonic or supersonic? What is their cost. What will be the result? The Russian missile defense system will have to be supplied with ammunition in wartime mode.
        Questions are few answers. No matter how cynical it sounds, but Syria is just the perfect training ground for testing the capabilities of opponents in the Third World War. Conclusion: the attack will be, but not so large. Reconnaissance in battle and probing the determination of the enemy. Will the Russian leadership decide to drown this Cook, who is the most annoying of all? Or maybe immediately fuck Truman at the transition?
        1. 0
          April 15 2018 07: 37
          Quote: Bakht
          what is their cost.

          This question is not clear, why do you need to know this?
  28. +1
    April 12 2018 13: 02
    Quote: 210ox
    But what about our units in the Duma, in other places?

    Is there really military personnel, not PMCs and "vacationers-military advisers"? Practice has shown that if they die from American missiles, the Moscow Region will pretend that it has nothing to do with and nothing happened
    1. +1
      April 12 2018 20: 15
      The Duma is controlled by the military police of Russia, plus our sappers work there. Official servicemen
      1. +1
        April 14 2018 19: 11
        Quote: Pissarro
        The Duma is controlled by the military police of Russia, plus our sappers work there. Official servicemen

        In the light of recent events, I repeat:
        Practice has shown that in the event of their death from American missiles, the Moscow Region will pretend that it has nothing to do with and nothing happened
  29. +1
    April 12 2018 14: 55
    I read, read and thought. It is necessary to go to a neighboring swamp, dig a cozy dugout. Rulers will betray us, it does not matter. Weapons will simply be lying on the ground a lot, in which case. There will be blood to the Saxons. I just do not want to speak English, I'm too lazy. The rulers will not betray, even better, no one has canceled the “For Battle” command.
  30. 0
    April 12 2018 15: 04
    I don’t understand a little if the USA openly supports terrorists? Why isn’t the issue raised at the UN? If there is evidence explicit or indirect?
  31. +1
    April 12 2018 15: 23
    Americans are waiting. Likely give Putin a chance to leave Syria without loss.
    1. +1
      April 12 2018 20: 16
      Americans s.su.t
  32. +1
    April 12 2018 15: 25
    Eugene, as usual, exaggerated a little ... how to say it ..., exaggerated everything. I forgot to mention two mattress-like bases - in Iraq and Syria, on which, in the case of the beginning of such full-scale actions about which he writes, you can be the first to strike to thin out manpower and add problems in order to occupy the people. I also forgot to remind about Iran - the closest ally of Syria, and therefore ours. who does not mind helping. I mean, Trump is not so terrible as his little one! Break through, as always!
  33. +2
    April 12 2018 16: 24
    Everything is described quite logically. But I have such an idea, where did the 12 ships of the Russian Navy that left Tartus get to? I assume that they are located along the coast of Syria. And I don’t think that volley with cruise missiles in the direction of our warships is a good idea. Therefore, if "our partners" are not quite shell-shocked, the marine component in this situation drops out.
  34. +1
    April 12 2018 17: 50
    Need to explode a few megatons in
    Switzerland - to bang the hornet's reptiloid nest and all, send our MTR to help Trump - eliminate their fifth column, well, ours - there, and peace and quiet will come.
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  36. +1
    April 12 2018 17: 56
    Well, once you need amers and friends to answer for everything !!! For Everything, starting from any point of insult :-) Remember, at Vizbor .. "Honor must be saved instantly !!!" You see ... instantly !!! Otherwise, a coward and a wimp. And we have already tightened the situation too much. We make excuses, interpret, explain, comment
    we dig ... We spit in borsch, and we wipe ourselves ... It’s impossible ... "The boys will not understand." Own and foreign ... Since we are claiming a "second place" in the World, if not the first, then it is simply necessary to give doubts to the insolent in the teeth ... It's like two and two !!! Putin has such a rating of people's trust that there is no need to doubt, at the same time we will clear ourselves of all the hangers-friends-allies ... So, guys, now or never! Milestone!
  37. +1
    April 12 2018 18: 07
    why did he transfer the economy to war rails?)))) he has a thin gut to bend thieves and oligarchs to work for the country ...
  38. 0
    April 12 2018 18: 34
    Lasers, S-400, EW. How to cover the sky of Syria?
  39. 0
    April 12 2018 18: 47
    we still have submarines and underwater fighters with mines
  40. +1
    April 12 2018 20: 30
    Article, a fairy tale about a white bull
    Seen enough by the author of the Hollywood film
    It is especially interesting how they will squeeze the territory of the army hardened in battles)))
    With all these f22 and f35 and with 6 a10


    There will be no real blow, there will be a salvo into the milk, and this will be the end.
    1. +1
      April 15 2018 07: 40
      Quote: Dimon Krasnodar
      It is especially interesting how they will squeeze the territory of the army hardened in battles)))

      Well, somehow they all squeezed east of the Euphrates, and this is the most resource-rich territory, why do they need the rest?
  41. 0
    April 12 2018 20: 34
    The main thing is that Comrade Putin shouldn’t stop eating, otherwise we will graze quietly again and smoke bamboo. We’ll lose everything that we conquered in Syria. This is a lice test.
  42. 0
    April 12 2018 20: 53
    But what if we act according to their rules! Coughing for them, do not care from what, the main thing is painful, but to make our eyes like a cat in Shrek, and to say this is not us, this is some kind of opposition that shot in the wrong direction. Or more than that, it’s you yourself who blew yourself up, out of shame fellow
  43. 0
    April 12 2018 21: 00
    Uv Eugene, you wrote a lot and convincingly, and finally, you finished writing up specific actions. If we are waiting for 400-450-500 pieces of air attack equipment, then we need to go to the draft board. Went - do not take. I am sure that the Drandins and their relatives will be accepted on the way. Nevertheless, your forecast (Dolgoprudny not only B. Nadezhdin lives, but also V. Rybin, it seems).
  44. +2
    April 12 2018 23: 45
    An interesting "chess game" was arranged by the author. And what exactly would I like? Three, five-fold superiority over the enemy. This alignment has always been tempting. And not just because the phrase: "not by number, but by skill" has become a classic.
    Let's try to spin the “chessboard” at some interesting points.
    So in this case there will be not so many goals for the Kh-32, Bastions and Kh-35U, at best, the destroyer Donald Cook,
    About the X-32 trumpeted everywhere, but where is the guarantee that there is still nothing else. And so, the first “axes” went into business, the launch was detected from the shore. A missile (no X-35) with a warhead from the Alabuga series, a hypersonic carrier, will launch from the shore from the coast. Given the nature of the work of the warhead, the carrier needs to quickly deliver it to the area of ​​detonation. What will happen on Kukish at this moment? They will continue to launch axes. Well, if a tungsten point, then yes. Of course, the launches cease, the mode of evasion, "died out" somewhere nearby. Let's hope that nobody is on board with pacemakers. Laughter, laughter, but if the damage to the Kukish equipment is serious, then an airlock will not sail to the coast of Syria. Because, in which case, dragging a "dead mammoth" through a puddle is a very problematic and costly task.
    A dozen strategic B-1B “Lancer” strategic bombers can carry up to 240 JASSM-ERs launched from Saudi Arabian airspace.
    Well, flew. Ships of the Caspian flotilla from the Caspian and strategists from Iran strike the Kyrgyz Republic. Objectives: El-Dafra (UAE), PMTO Naval Forces "Muscat" (Oman) and of course - the Prince Sultan base (KSA), where the U.S. aerospace operations are located in the region. If the missiles are 5 or 10, that’s okay, and if 40. Given the recent adventures of a foreign-made air defense system, the chances of interception are not very large, moreover, Iran will use its jammers.
    Seeing our active actions, Iran announces that as a result of the actions of mattresses in Syria, their military personnel were killed and strikes at the bases of mattresses in Afghanistan.
    After such a turmoil in the region, the price of one barrel will jump to values ​​that many analysts have not dreamed of in nightmares, and the “fever” will begin to spread around the world.
    The development of events may be so.
  45. 0
    April 12 2018 23: 55
    I hope that the Germans will refrain from participating in this gang raid. As for the rest, only the Lord God or the devil knows.
  46. +2
    April 13 2018 00: 21
    According to Twitter, the tone of the amers has changed. Trump has not yet decided on a strike on Syria. Old military men in the USA grabbed their heads and shouted that it was suicide. Maybe those who are younger will hear them? Some of the state officials said that a strike on Syria would occur only if at least one US military suffered from a chemical attack. Perhaps this is "washing" the ears, or maybe they themselves are really afraid that the war will get out of control.
    I think it’s high time to prepare the “Governor” with a head of 50 Megatons and, in the event of a strike against Syria, strike at Yellowstone. Maybe nothing else is needed.
  47. 0
    April 13 2018 04: 17
    We are building the same developed capitalism of the consumer society, if we discard the lyrics where a handful of VASSALOV rules, the same societies as the partners, with not much difference, the partners invested in industry and the army in long-term profit with their own printing press, our consumers in oil and gas short profit and they are working for themselves, in Syria, a clash of economic interests, a war for resources, and if a real clash ensues, the earth’s consumer society will cease to exist on the planet earth, nuclear weapons will bring about parity in this, you can and should love your homeland, you need to understand who to give this love to ......
  48. 0
    April 13 2018 08: 30
    Almost all commentators came to the conclusion that Russia should not retreat from Syria. It is a fact.
    But take into account another state that cannot give the back one.
    This state is Israel.
    Yes, Trump was showing off, but mind you, he said that he would strike in Syria IF THE CHIM ATTACK EVIDENCE IS FIND. It turns out he had prepared a loophole for his retreat. Tomorrow will announce that no evidence was found and that’s all, the person retained.
    But Israel has nowhere to escape from a “submarine” called the Middle East! In any case, they will need to bring all this mess to the final, otherwise a stronger Iran and its allies will simply be demolished by this filthy state.
    Therefore, I personally predict the ongoing air raids from Israel with varying degrees of intensity.
    And if the United States completely goes into passivity, right up to leaving Syria, then they will have nothing to fight off the Arabs with except nuclear weapons. So we follow the Jews and all sorts of Jacob Kedmi, who endlessly praise the Russian army.
    About Trump. Trump himself does not want to attack Syria. They force him. Trump has problems above the roof inside the US. He pursues a policy of nationalizing the Fed, and he is specifically being bullied precisely within the United States itself. In order to lull the globalists, he makes such "stupid" statements about attacks on Syria. What Syria is for him - he has not figured out the Obama / Clinton team yet, and his management capabilities are very limited ...
  49. 0
    April 13 2018 12: 36
    The set of options for Moscow in the event of a military strike by the American coalition in Syria is not very large. One can, like a year ago, be outraged aloud, but do nothing, that is, “wipe oneself” with the inevitable loss of face after the well-known statement of General Gerasimov.

    You can symbolically bring down a couple of American cruise missiles if they fly within the reach of the Russian air defense systems (and not bypass the last time), get outraged loudly, but otherwise not interfere and allow the Americans to punish Assad harder. Gerasimov’s statement quite narrowly interprets the possibilities of a Russian response - only if there is a threat to the Russian military - that is, a blow to Syrian sites where ours are not, and even more so to the Iranian response of the Russian Federation does not require. That would be a reasonable scenario. It will be possible to save the face as a whole (they have not lost it), and the Americans will not respond with an escalation to a couple of downed cruise missiles.

    And it’s possible, as some hotheads suggest, “to hit the platforms” from which cruise missiles were launched, or to the bombers participating in the strike. A strike on an American warship is a pretext for war, even under international law. The sides regularly shot down each other's military aircraft during the Cold War, but even his advisers do not know how Trump will react to this today.
  50. 0
    April 13 2018 14: 01
    I read the article, an interesting fantasy and reminds fortune-telling on coffee grounds. You can assume anything, then a real shock group will form, then you can start to evaluate it, but for now it’s all about the fact that there will be no blows, Trump posed as a cool cowboy and was quickly blown away.
  51. 0
    April 13 2018 16: 21
    I think in the worst case scenario, you can think about using tactical missiles with low-power nuclear ammunition to destroy suitable AUGs and other floating rubbish, I think the daggers stationed in the Southern Federal District are precisely for these purposes...
  52. 0
    April 13 2018 18: 10
    Arakius,
    There is clearly something wrong with your logic.
    Anyway. Why argue? There is no point in discussing the idiocy of the Ukrainian coup. You still won't understand. There was a revolution in Ukraine. Only the lazy don’t talk about this. It was you who linked the ruble exchange rate with the return of the people. Which is like comparing warm and wet. But no financial costs are worth what Crimea provides. Money is nonsense, people are everything.
    Well, the most important thing. Which directly relates to this topic. Crimea is what makes the Black Sea an inland sea of ​​Russia. The absence of Crimea turns the Black Sea into a NATO lake. Crimea is held by NATO's southern flank. I repeat this especially for those who learn geography using the Ukrainian globe. These are Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Türkiye, and the Eastern Mediterranean. Possibly southern Poland. This will not allow the deployment of American bases near Kharkov. Considering that no one knows the real range of all systems, it may be more.
    About everything else. Until 2014, no one in the Russian Federation even remembered Crimea. So it's your own fault. For this same reason, no one now remembers Tajikistan or the South Caucasus. If there was a revolution here, the situation would change.
    For some reason you are denying the Russian Federation the right to guard its borders. Study history and learn from the Yankees. No state opposing the US government will exist near its borders. These are Panama, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela. The same applies to the Russian Federation.
    I'll tell you my own guess. It is not backed up by anything. I just watch the actions of politicians, read their speeches. I try not to miss anything. I have a strong feeling. that Putin did not want to take Crimea. I think the General Staff forced him. There are not at all sentimental people sitting there. And not "partners". Having solved the problem of Crimea, Donbass did not become very important to them. But if there was a mess in Syria, everything would change.
    Continue to believe in your uniqueness. Ukraine is already a suitcase without a handle. No one needs or is interested in her. For now.
  53. +1
    April 13 2018 19: 57
    Russia has put itself in a very difficult position. A failed foreign policy left the country without allies. An attempt to return to the Big Club through Syria and the joint fight with the West against terror failed - but resulted in support for Assad, hated by his people.
    Now the likelihood of a direct NATO-Russia clash, in my opinion, is very high. If such a clash occurs with the use of conventional weapons and is limited to Syria, everything will end quickly. Russia does not have the forces and means in the region to resist the NATO group. There are also no reliable supply routes. In the event of a massive cruise missile attack on Syrian targets, an interception attempt will simply leave all Russian air defense without ammunition. Respond with a strike on the ships? How? Let's be realistic and not operate with mythical means of destruction. If, God forbid, someone's nerves can't stand it -
    both Russian bases will be suppressed in about 30 minutes. Well, realistically estimate the forces and means. a dozen dry fighters, albeit magnificent ones, but a dozen. They will not be able to fly to the AUG. Coastal complexes? - Why approach their zone of action? If you manage to stop here, catch your breath and start a conversation, God willing, after all, there is no threat to Russia’s security from Assad’s scraps. If we go further -
    Thanks to everybody, you're free.
    And one last thing. There are many people here who like to shoot at Israel. Well, actually, Israel had its own Calibers earlier than Russia, and they fly just as far. And Israel’s air defense is powerful. And Israeli aviation (about 800 aircraft) is almost stronger than Russian aviation; the level of training is very high. And pay attention - while Assad was butting heads with his opposition, we heard nothing about Israel in connection with Syria.
    Israel's position at that moment *we wish success to all participants*. Until Iran and Hezbollah appeared. Then the strikes began on the Iranians and Hezbollah, the Syrians shot at the planes - in one day they lost 20% of their air defense. Russia would really like to get such an ally. It's real. There are plenty of benefits. Strengthen influence in the East through an attempt to reconcile Israel and Iran, Israel and the Palestinians - seize the initiative from the EU and the USA... and much more. The inability to find allies is the reason for Russia’s failures in particular, and in Syria.
    1. +1
      April 14 2018 03: 12
      Have you served somewhere, do you understand how the Unified Command of all branches of the Modern Russian Army works, I am informing you. I served where you and others like you never dreamed. And I know that as soon as Tomahawk missiles fly towards Syria in greater numbers and an armada of US and NATO Air Force aircraft will fly after them, approximately they can raise up to 500-600 units, they will work on them, first they will be turned into visible. And do you think there are not 10-15 planes in Khmeimim, but there are already more than 100 of them there, and I’m sure as many more are on Iranian territory nearby, so they will all be ready to intercept these planes, of which 70-80 percent are bombers and bomb throwers, they will not approaching a distance closer than 300 km due to air defense, they will be hunted by Russian fighters, plus they will use laser weapons and they are there, these planes will also not leave, and will also follow up to the bases from which all these aircraft took off, cruise missiles will fly and all landing airfields will be are defeated and where will they fly with their short range since all the bases in the Middle East will be attacked, where they will land is the question of those that will survive. That is, those who will be able to carry their feet after the fall on Syria, but their airfields will all be destroyed? All ships from which axes and other missiles will fly will also be destroyed. Don’t forget that after shooting the S400, they will still be protected by more than several hundred small-radius air defense systems and electronic warfare, which I’m sure more than 70 percent of the axes will knock down, since last year there was only one Krasukha and now there are powerful electronic warfare systems, dozens of them were brought in at the head of the most powerful station in Imre " The Murmansk operating zone, a radius of 5000-8000 km, will turn off all electronics or temporarily remove them. Yes, they may destroy our base and ships, but they will lose all their base ships and more than 70-80 percent of aviation. And then there will be nuclear strikes. They were afraid of napsat in the DPRK Yes, they won't attack Syria. Believe me, they want to live longer than you and me. The Russians The Russians and all the peoples living nearby have fought and are fighting for their lands not for 1000 years but for more than 7500 years. And they have developed an immunity and are not afraid to die, but they will never go to die, they are bluffing to intimidate Russia so that they leave Syria if it doesn’t work out, as with the DPRK, they will also leave as they came. You heard what Israeli political scientist Yakov Kedmi said: in the event of war, Russia will destroy in 30 minutes all bases in Europe and the Middle East. And it will wipe out the United States and its allies in Europe and the Middle East from the face of the earth, since the United States is more than half the size of Russia and will lose only 50-70 percent of its territory. So who will survive later and who will disappear and then all humanity will die anyway, so do some people think? I think that there are countries that will remain neutral and their part of the population will survive because their territory will not be hit by attacks such as: China, India, Africa, South America and Australia, even Canada, an ally of the United States, refused to go into conflict with Russia. Why should they die for some kind of Syria? I think all these threats against Syria and Russia are bluff and intimidation.
    2. 0
      April 16 2018 18: 43
      shahor (nicholas)
      Excellent, balanced comment!!!
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    1. 0
      April 14 2018 23: 58
      Dear Jamila!

      Judging by the way you write in Russian, you really served where you say - in a construction battalion.

      Well, I won’t even comment on the rest of the stream of consciousness. Work hard, good luck to you!
  55. 0
    April 15 2018 11: 02
    Arakius,
    You are a funny person. That is, bombing with conventional weapons is an act of humanity? Fine. If the country is threatened, the Russian Federation will send a pair of Iskanders with non-nuclear warheads to Warsaw or Bucharest.
    Understand one simple thing. By deploying missile defense systems in their countries, governments have made themselves a potential target. So the responsibility is entirely on their conscience. By declaring a course to join NATO (an enemy of the Russian Federation), the government in Kyiv made its country an enemy of the Russian Federation. And there can be no talk of any humanity towards the enemy.
    An analogy with 1939. General Dumenk begged Admiral Drax not to mention Poland. But Drax was so intoxicated by his eloquence that he told Voroshilov, “If Poland does not join our agreement, then its territory will become a springboard for Germany.” According to General Dumenk, Voroshilov at that moment was already suffocated with rage. Negotiations stopped.
    Here's the transcript

    Similarly. “If Poland, Romania and Ukraine decided to become NATO provinces, then the Russian Federation itself will decide what to do with them.” This is why Russian generals needed Crimea. Putin himself didn’t need it for almost 20 years.
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  57. 0
    April 15 2018 13: 50
    http://argumenti.ru/live/2018/04/569503
  58. 0
    April 15 2018 17: 14
    Dear author of the article - Evgeny Damantsev! You are inaccurate - Russian bases are protected by the Pantsir-S2 anti-aircraft complex, not the Pantsir-S1, this is not the same thing... And your article says nothing about the Kinzhal complex, which is in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces! And it’s a thankless task to write an article of such a plan, excluding and not knowing (due to secrecy) all the means of destruction that Russia can use against NATO countries... For them and not only - it will be fatal! However, your article and opinion are interesting from the point of view of strategy and tactics of using various weapons in a possible, but not obligatory, conflict!
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    April 15 2018 18: 06
    Quote: Dreiko11
    "The enemy does not surrender our proud" Varangian ""

    Nothing changes - again WE ARE FEW, BUT WE ARE IN VESTS! As Admiral Golovko said, the Russian fleet was best at accomplishing impossible tasks!...
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    April 17 2018 07: 11
    I would like to express a couple of positive thoughts that have appeared in the last month and a half. This is not directly about a possible clash between the Russian Federation and the United States in Syria (I hope that everything will gradually calm down), but about the defense capability of the specific territory of our country.
    The first thought, like many, came after Putin demonstrated the latest weapons. It is clear that much of what is presented is still in small quantities, but I think that in 2-4 years the arsenal will grow to a sufficient level. It is important for us to hold out these years without war... then, I think, the West will think 1000 times before risking attacking us. In principle, we are still strong enough to destroy the entire world (alas, along with ourselves), but extra muscles will not hurt anyone. Especially if they are capable of inflicting unacceptable damage on the enemy even without nuclear charges. All this will push back the likelihood of a major war.
    The second thought, of course, is not so reassuring, but it still adds a little peace of mind. This is a Syrian lesson with fantastic statistics of downed missiles (I don’t know why, but I assumed that much more than half of the missiles fired reach their targets), reduces the panic mood when you read all sorts of scary articles about the terrible NATO, which can drive, for example, into the Black Sea several ships and fire a salvo at our territory. Different numbers were named (hundreds of missile launchers), for each of them the targets separated into molecules were colorfully painted (our missile defense, artillery, headquarters, warehouses, etc.) After this, it was concluded that within an hour all the weapons of Crimea would be represented only by machine guns and pistols. .. in short, it was complete.
    Now it looks like the picture will be somewhat different. All the same, our missile defense systems will be more impressive than the Syrian ones + probably not all carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic will have time to discharge their clips. If a massive response begins instantly (and maybe even a proactive one, if the reconnaissance works well), then the number of explosions on the shore may not be in the hundreds, but in the dozens. Of course, there will also be grief and death, but in general the defense capability will remain intact.
    It is obvious that the data from this rocket attack in Syria will be analyzed by the Ministry of Defense for a long time and the necessary conclusions will be drawn.
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      April 17 2018 23: 41
      I completely agree with you and wish you only positive news. God forbid that the scenario of possible events indicated in this analytical article dated April 12.04.2018, 13, on the eve of the missile attack by the Americans and allies on “Friday the XNUMXth” (as a test, training of their capabilities), the required type of missiles and immediately after the attack resume combat operations of the ISIS fighters, as well as testing the response of the Syrian troops - as training for them at the moment can be repeated, only with the support of the AUG with Theodore Roosevelt, who, according to press reports, should arrive from the Pacific Ocean and enter the Mediterranean Sea approximately in the last dates of April. Of course, I’m not a strategist, but as an ordinary person, based on press publications, I have the impression that Trump is preparing another adventure and is not going to make any concessions, namely:
      1. Prepares bridgeheads (dig in and strengthen) for opening fronts in the Deir ez-Zor area (diversionary direction) (French mercenaries are already there, in addition to ISIS, Kurds and Americans.
      2. Creates a strike force of Saudis and other Arabs to strengthen the fist, which the Americans will control in the event of a simultaneous attack (the diversion from point 1) from the areas near Damascus and the area where the al-Tanf base is located. Accordingly, under the cover of the AUG and after possible strikes, as written in this analytical article.
      3. Also, in my opinion, he is pulling his weight (in order to frame and confirm the absence of a peace treaty with Russia) in the coalition of Japan, on the terms of “the fight against ISIS” (especially since T. Yamamoto’s rapid reaction brigades have been created in Japan), with promises of preferences from the United States and a promise to resolve the issue with Japanese prisoners in the DPRK. S. Abe is currently staying with Trump until April 19.04.2018, XNUMX.
      4. Also, Israeli planes have been constantly, recently (before the attack on the 13th and today on the 17th) monitoring our and Syrian air defense with missiles.
      The goal is a scenario for the elimination of B. Assad in Damascus (with massive strikes on the city) which they had previously tested and understood what missiles to use, as well as reinforced groups on two fronts from the suburbs of Damascus, the American base at Tanf and the line (distracting ) attacks from the areas of Deir ez-Zor in order to cut off the territories where our bases are located in sovereign Syria. All this, according to their scenario, will happen on May 3 or 4, 2018. Why do I have such a possible “vision” of events - Americans, as the history of the late 20th and early 21st centuries shows, are always ready for insidious plans for Russia, especially before taking office (in different periods of government) of our President, and besides, the Russians will soon have our Victory Parade on May 9th.
      It would be desirable (in my opinion) to maintain readiness No. 1 for our troops, with holding exercises of our fleet in the Mediterranean Sea (moving the Amarikan AUG further away, or closer to the Bastions;))) and with periodic coverage (overlapping) of the entire territory of Syria with our GLONASS communications from interventions of Jewish, Amer and Franco-Sank flying blanks. Something like that.