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Operation Observer. Is Russia from the front row looking at the clash between Turkey and the USA in the SAR?

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Last Saturday, the command of the armed forces of Turkey published a document that refers to the interim results of operations in the area of ​​the Syrian Afrin. The data from this document during his speech at a rally in Afyonkarahisar province was voiced by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. He said that during the operation “Olive Branch” from 20 in January, 1,6 thousand representatives of Kurdish armed detachments (in the terminology of Ankara - terrorists) were neutralized in the region of Afrin.
Erdogan:

Our troops cleared terrorists around 300 sq. Km. in northwest Syria.


Moreover, if you believe the data of the report to which the Turkish president refers, the losses of the Turkish troops made 30 people killed, and the losses of pro-Turkish armed formations, which in the summary are called “Syrian opposition fighters” - 60 people.

Further, Recep Erdogan made a statement that pays special attention to himself (quote Anadolu):
Despite the fact that from 18 million sq. Km of land under the control of our ancestors, we got only 780 thousand sq. Km, we do not claim the lands of other countries. Turkey is open to relations with countries ready for partnership. Those who are trying to darken the future of Ankara, waiting for a tough answer.


According to Erdogan, the Turkish army is not going to conquer the territory of a neighboring state, but is trying to “clear it of terrorists”.

Almost at the same time, the son of the President of Turkey Bilal Erdogan, speaking at the opening of the forum to stimulate traditional sports in Antalya, said that the current protracted conflict in the region is associated with such historical fact as a division of the Ottoman Empire. According to Erdogan Jr., "when the once united state was divided, many states were formed, and their borders were drawn without taking into account ethnic composition." Bilal Erdogan noted that this brought ethnic and religious conflicts to the land of the Middle East. After that, the son of the Turkish president accused the collective West of the fact that it was Western civilization that brought the bloodshed and strife into the region, brought for the reason that it considers the right to democracy to be unique to itself, not realizing that any state in the world has this right .

As you can see, both Erdogan made it clear that they remember very well the historical territory of the Ottoman Empire, and draw conclusions from this historical memory, they say. I remember that any historical references to the times of the Russian Empire or the USSR, ladies and gentlemen from Western states immediately accepted as a reason to accuse Moscow of “preserving imperial ambitions” and openly declared that they would do everything to ensure that these “ambitions” did not materialize. Regarding the statements made by the heads of the Erdogans family in the West, there is still a nervous silence, not counting the individual comments of experts and politicians in Germany, France, the USA. What is the reason for collective silence? - Well, if the statements of the same Erdogan ml. If you officially answer and accuse the Turkish army of expansion in Syria, you will have to comment on the likely inconvenient questions about what the "non-imperial" US Army with numerous representatives of private military companies is doing in Syria? ..

Against this backdrop, a meeting was held between the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and the President and Foreign Minister of Turkey. As announced, we agreed to search for ways to de-escalate in seriously "sagging" relations between Washington and Ankara. They even agreed to create a joint military contingent in the Syrian Manbij (Membij) area, while Ankara initially appealed to the United States to "remove" Kurdish armed units from there in order to avoid clashes between Turkish and American forces. It is in the area of ​​Manbija that an impressively large American military contingent is located. This is the same area in the north of the SAR, where previously, by agreement with the United States, the Russian forces of the coordination center were also located after the Syrian government army came close to the territories controlled by the Kurds.

The Russian forces, as announced in January, by agreement with Ankara, were withdrawn from the Manbij area, that the Kurds were declared a "betrayal" by the Russian Federation. The very Erdoganov Olive Branch began, during which, as stated, the 1600 terrorists were neutralized. The Kurds call this data "Turkish propaganda", and in the controlled media they note that "the second largest army of NATO" for almost a month has been unable to cope with "several Kurdish formations" in northern Syria.

From the material in the publication "Kurdistan Today":
Fierce clashes take place in 37 villages on five fronts. SDS use partisan methods of struggle. Partisans leave villages during the day due to bombing aviation, and at night they knock out Turkish troops from the villages. The depth of operation of the Turkish troops is limited to a 5-km zone near the border. The population continues to take an active part in the defense of Afrin, despite civilian casualties - 180 people.


The Kurdish military command notes that the Turkish and pro-Turkish forces during the operation in the north of the ATS are losing "hundreds."

If you try to build at least some clear picture out of this information kaleidoscope about the events in the north-west of the SAR, then there will definitely be a fragment on which the following is captured: American troops will take part in the fighting, stationed at Mambidj.

The actual arrival of Tillerson to Ankara cannot really be called coincidence. The fact is that in the north of Syria, already completely geographical Turkish troops, deployed during the Olive Branch, approached the territories that the US troops had previously staked out and were planning to start creating so-called "new border forces."

Operation Observer. Is Russia from the front row looking at the clash between Turkey and the USA in the SAR?


In fact, there were prerequisites for real hostilities between the contingents of the two NATO armies in a third country. It is for this reason that Tillerson "fly" flew to Ankara to attempt to reach an agreement. Or push ... And theoretically they can agree - then a combined NATO military contingent will appear in the north of the SAR, which can be considered the actual loss of its northern territories by Syria and the loss of Russia (at least in the north of the SAR).

But this is theoretically, but practically ... As soon as Tillerson sat down at the negotiating table with Erdogan and Cavusoglu, he was immediately reminded of the Turkish conditions.

Condition one - no YPG, PKK and other “Kurdish abbreviations” with often sticking star-striped ears at the Turkish borders. That is, in fact, the very Kurdish troops prepared by the States are proposed to be thrown into a direct clash with the forces of Bashar al-Assad. Yes, only the Kurds, as they themselves have stated earlier, are not ready to shed blood for lands that they never belonged to, but to make war for their land, including American weapons, ready.

The second condition - Recognition by the United States of the organization of the preacher Fethullah Gülen as terrorist with the simultaneous extradition of Gülen to Turkey from Pennsylvania (USA), where he lives under the auspices of the American special services. As you know, the United States did not go to that before - even after Erdogan’s personal requests to the US presidents (first before Obama, then before Trump) and his visit to the White House. Will Ankara actually put an ultimatum now? There is an opinion that they will not go even now - simply Turkey will be “pressed” by the controlled groups until it finally gets bogged down in its “olive branches” with really hundreds of dead. Meanwhile, in Turkey itself, the next episode of the soap opera about the “undemocratic Erdogan” may well begin, recalling his (and his son's) statements about the “wrongness of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.” In general, who and to whom ultimatums exhibited - the grandmother said in two ...

And after the withdrawal of the Russian forces of the coordination center from the region of the same Manbij (Membij), Russia in the situation in the north of the country turned into a detached onlooker, waiting for what the internal battles would end with, and who eventually perebodaet. It seems to be good to watch from the sidelines, but ... The announced campaign of the Syrian army "to help the Kurds" in this situation is well regarded as an attempt to return to the "game" in the north of the SAR. After all, if you let everything go to chance, then with the idea of ​​the integrity of Syria, you can definitely say goodbye. And so - with the Syrian military inclusion in the process - it will still be possible to splash the kerosene into the NATO gadyushnik - since we are such “hybrid”, “toxic” and ... as there Russia is also called “partners”. Moreover, Turkey, the United States, has a legitimate zero presence in Syria.

So, the main events in the Syrian north are still ahead.
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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 19 February 2018 15: 08
    +3
    For some reason, it’s for us that it “flies” to this very “first row”. Maybe because we are not playing our game?
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    2. novel66
      novel66 19 February 2018 15: 30
      +5
      no, we are too passive. pick up rotten tomatoes and throw in the actors
      1. dSK
        dSK 19 February 2018 23: 58
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        too passive

        The main forces of the aerospace forces were withdrawn from Syria at the end of the year. Experienced generals also changed. Assad now has no resources for the complete liberation of the country. Abama brazenly kept saying "Assad must leave," they don’t say that now.
        January 10 American Edition The Huffington Post stated that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, CIA head Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor to the President Herbert Macmaster jointly formed US foreign policy on Syria. It lies in the fact that the US armed forces, in violation of international law, will remain on the territory of Syria and will in every way put sticks in the wheels of Russia and Iran.
        Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov February 16 commented on all recent US actions and statements on Syria: "They are already working to ensure that a huge piece of Syrian territory separate from the rest of the country in violation of the sovereignty of the territorial integrity of the ATS. There they create quasi-local authorities, are trying in every possible way to create some kind of autonomous formation there, relying on the Kurds. " "South Korea 2,0?"
    3. 210ox
      210ox 20 February 2018 06: 39
      0
      Not your own game?! Yes, let's not play, as we did in Libya, and even earlier in Yugoslavia, and in many countries ... We have to play, the world is so gaddy. And is it our own game or not, well, here we are not decide ....
      Quote: lexus
      For some reason, it’s for us that it “flies” to this very “first row”. Maybe because we are not playing our game?
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 February 2018 14: 46
        0
        Why is everyone so alarmed? What's wrong?
        I just think that it’s not in the good of the Russian army to constantly get “in the face”, otherwise it will become a habit. I think that the speakers “letting roosters” (Konashenkov and Co.) are just a clumsy attempt to maintain a “good mine with a bad game”, that one Israeli plane shot down with hundreds of air raids made since 2011 is ZERO air defense effectiveness. I also look at the map of the “partition of Syria” and I see the destroyed and impoverished territory under the control of the SAA and resource-rich and relatively uninjured areas under the control of the “coalition”, where, believe me, the Russian plane will be shot down if it appears there (therefore, not go there), while in the area of ​​responsibility of the Syrian Air Force and Air Force, everyone is in charge.
        Did the Americans lose at least one plane shot down for a Syrian company?
  2. You Vlad
    You Vlad 19 February 2018 15: 26
    +3
    Well, the United States has already forgotten how to agree, especially since there probably aren’t any left who would believe the promises of the United States! yes But Erdogan can slam the United States' famous Ottoman slap in the face ... We'll see.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 19 February 2018 16: 19
      +3
      Quote: you Vlad
      Well, the US has already forgotten how to negotiate this, all the more so there probably aren’t anyone left who would believe the promises of the United States.

      Until they get it in their mouths, in one form or another, they won’t understand anything.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 February 2018 06: 34
        0
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Until they get it in their mouths, in one form or another, they won’t understand anything.

        from the Turks or what? do not tell my slippers ...
  3. New Year day
    New Year day 19 February 2018 15: 26
    +2
    those who are in the forefront are always getting something from the fans and from the stars themselves. Yes, and my ears hurt from the noise level, and the microphone may fall off the stage
  4. Stalingradpobeda
    Stalingradpobeda 19 February 2018 15: 29
    +1
    The confrontation of large powers in a small territory may not lead to good. Aggravation can go into the third world war.
  5. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 19 February 2018 16: 32
    0
    Operation Observer. Is Russia from the front row looking at the clash between Turkey and the USA in the SAR?
    Or from the second?
    Or from the gallery?
    What kind of questions? One author of the campaign ...
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 19 February 2018 16: 58
    +4
    Moreover, in Turkey, in the USA the legitimacy of presence in Syria is absolute zero.
    ... And what ... like the UN, Turkey and the United States will adopt a resolution on this, frightened by this decision, how scalded will flee from Syria with the hooting of the world community? ..
    So, the main events in the Syrian north are still ahead.
    - Complicated story. “How true, Watson ...”
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  8. unsinkable
    unsinkable 19 February 2018 17: 19
    +2
    Quote: You Vlad
    about Erdogan, the United States can also slap the famous Ottoman slap in the face ... Let's see.

    That's right, let's see. Because Erdogan is a sharp and unpredictable politician. You can expect anything from him. Today he smiles at you, and tomorrow he will hit you in the back with the same pious smile. Moreover, he met with Tillerson, who was pleased with the result of the meeting. So we are waiting, sir.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 19 February 2018 17: 42
    +1
    just like cockroaches in a bank, now the main thing is not to endure our own ...
  10. Square
    Square 19 February 2018 17: 44
    +2
    What a clash there
    Faithful satellite
    So, the view does
  11. serge siberian
    serge siberian 19 February 2018 18: 50
    0
    Well, as they say, we won’t die alive, wait and see how it swims there. request
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 19 February 2018 19: 11
    +2
    Alex in vain, we rejoice. Events in Syria are no doubt ahead, however, these events will tell me something that will not be very good for Syria and for Russia.
  13. seacap
    seacap 19 February 2018 20: 59
    +1
    And when will our star-mattress “partners” begin to suffer losses and damage to the unacceptable? Studying the history of Sorov’s textbooks, have you forgotten about Kovpak and Kuznetsov, organization of guerrilla and RDG organizational work, underground work with the resistance movement? , even so (this, by the way, concerns our non-brothers). Why are there no Needles or Arrows "accidentally" in the corridors of their aircraft’s passage, and even more so when reflecting a raid directly on the troops. Why does any meanness get away with it, and we sun we sit and look, wearing white gloves and wiping the snot after another slap in the face, to the joy of our "partners", encouraging them with their inaction and helplessness to the next villainy, giving completely the initiative in their hands? What can not be meaner and more cynical than them, education, or rather its destruction, of the last generations, seems to allow, among themselves, to what baseness we reach in life.
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 February 2018 22: 18
    +1
    Believe Turkey do not respect yourself! Moreover, they themselves said that this is their territory! It was impossible to let the Turks into Syria, they will not leave, after their losses. It was necessary to negotiate with the Kurds! Lavrov can only show concern, cannot solve a single problem!
    1. protoss
      protoss 20 February 2018 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: steel maker
      It was necessary to negotiate with the Kurds!

      so the Kurds didn’t want to negotiate until their Turks began to press.
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 20 February 2018 13: 14
    0
    Moreover, in Turkey, in the USA the legitimacy of presence in Syria is absolute zero.
    And what follows from this ...? winked
    1. andrson
      andrson 25 February 2018 15: 20
      0
      Somehow squeezing them from there .. Through the UN Security Council it will not work. They will not support us there.
  16. shinobi
    shinobi 20 February 2018 16: 50
    0
    Everywhere where the Russian Yankees' army is actually present in one form or another, and everyone else, they got their teeth. Even in Afghanistan, the army fulfilled its tasks. The political dividends from victories are different, here we have historically been problematic.
  17. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 21 February 2018 16: 16
    0
    Almost at the same time, the son of Turkish President Bilal Erdogan, speaking at the opening of the forum to stimulate traditional sports in Antalya, said that the current protracted conflict in the region is associated with such a historical fact as the division of the Ottoman Empire. According to Erdogan Jr., “when a once united state was divided, many states were formed, and their borders were drawn without regard to ethnic composition.” Bilal Erdogan noted that this has brought inter-ethnic and interfaith conflicts to the land of the Middle East. After that, the son of the Turkish president accused the collective West of having brought bloodshed and discord to the region, it was Western civilization that brought it because it considers the right to democracy to be unique to itself, without realizing that this right exists in any state on the planet .


    At the end of its existence, the "sick man of Europe" - the Ottoman Empire refused to recognize even the Arabs, from whom the Turks adopted Islam, to say nothing of "some kind" Christians like Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians or Balkan peoples?

    However, one thing is good, if in Turkey they started talking about claims for the Ottoman inheritance, then, obviously, you will have to pay for Ottoman debts.
  18. andrew42
    andrew42 22 February 2018 10: 40
    0
    The legitimacy of finding remained only as a phraseological turn in the conversations of diplomats. As the Prussian King Frederick said, "God is on the side of the large battalions." Who and in what quantity will win over the Kurdish “battalions” will take possession of the north of Syria. If the Kurdish leadership does not realize that the United States will not protect them from the Turks, then Turkey will receive a smoldering conflict on the southern border, and the Americans will use the Kurds as logs until the Kurdish people burn out. But since the leadership of the Kurds was bought by the Americans in the bud, without changing it to pro-Syrian-oriented leaders, the war in northern Syria will be without end. The Kurds will not have a normal life until they cling to Damascus. the guys from Washington in the moment gained a foothold in their position, changing the “tool of production” from ISIS to the Kurds, and consider themselves clever. But here is that in the medium term, it seems that the Americans do not know this, just a rod according to the old methodology "divide and conquer". And they hope that the Kurds will endlessly allow themselves to be "divided" and used.