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Russia remains to envy the American robots

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For the first time in the world stories The naval forces enrolled a full-fledged warship without crew. This is an American Sea Hunter ("Sea Hunter"), designed to search for enemy submarines. People on board are simply not needed. While the robot ship can not open fire itself. But in any case, the descent of the “hunter” into the water foreshadows a revolution - the era of the robot ships begins.


Russia remains to envy the American robots


The US Navy officially enrolled a warship on the fully autonomous “Sea Hunter”. The task of the ship, on which there will be no people, is to track down enemy noiseless diesel-electric submarines and sea mines.

The ship was built under the project ACTUV (Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel). This is an unmanned ship-trimaran, which does not require human intervention in the management and operation of onboard systems, writes the portal Evo-rus.com. The ACTUV displacement is 145 t, of which 40 is fuel. Reportedly, the “hunter” is able to reach speeds in 27 knots and swim by itself in the sea for at least three months.

The Hunter uses cameras and radars to track and locate other ships. While the ship is only a platform for observation, not having weapons on board.

On the beginning of the test "hunter" in the United States reported in May 2016 year. The tests were conducted by the Defense Advanced Research Agency (DARPA). Now, the development of the ACTUV launch will be handled by experts from the Navy Research Department. By the end of this year, as expected, he will begin combat operations, writes The Daily Mail.

Construction of the ship is estimated at 20 million dollars. You also need about 20 thousand dollars a day for maintenance, which is still much cheaper than ships with crews. Experts do not exclude that the appearance of the ship promises a revolution in military and commercial shipping - it can open the way to the development of a cargo vessel without crew.

“In essence, all modern merchant ships operate virtually independently: they are put on the course, and then the course is kept by the onboard autopilot. The crew itself actually provides only the withdrawal and entry of the vessel into the port, ”explained Konstantin Sivkov, Doctor of Military Sciences, captain of the first rank of the reserve, told the newspaper VIEW
“As for the combat drone, this task can really be solved already at this stage of technology development. Of course, there is a connection with such a ship, it is semi-automatic. To search for a submarine for him is real, because all modern sonar systems have an automatic tracking mode for detected targets, ”the expert continued.

“The main problem is that, unlike a ship with a crew, with a drone, difficulties may arise in unconventional conditions. For example, if an enemy submarine maneuvers in an unusual way, when using super-hydroacoustic suppression, and so on, ”added Sivkov.

“I think that such a drone will interact with conventional ships and bases aviation. In principle, this could be a new step in the development of the naval and commercial fleet, but not as a replacement for existing ships, but as an addition. This is fundamental, ”the source said.

“Anyway, there should be people somewhere who will ensure the maneuvering of the ship at the port entrance and at the exit. It will be very difficult for the automatics to do this, it is practically impossible, ”Sivkov explained.

“Similar developments are also under way in Russia. It is known that submarine unskilled ships have been created, whose tasks include the fight against underwater saboteurs. As for this kind of ships, like the Americans, I think the development is underway, but they are not yet advertised, ”Sivkov suggested.

But the deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Maxim Shepovalenko, is in no hurry to predict a great future for the ship. According to him, the Americans already have the development of solar powered underwater gliders, and the presented development can only theoretically be a technical breakthrough.

“Then we have to admit that the Americans have created a device that provides long patrols on anti-submarine lines. If this is a solar glider, then this is one moment. But if it is built on rechargeable batteries, then you need to see what their power reserve is, ”Shepovalenko told the VIEW newspaper. He is not sure that the current model of the “hunter” can indeed last itself at sea for up to three months.

As the VIEW newspaper wrote six months ago, a robotic surface submarine apparatus of the far sea zone (“Shadow”) is being developed in Russia, a source at the Defense Ministry’s Main Research and Development Test Center of the Ministry of Defense told the Army-2017 international forum.

In Russia, the expert confirmed, such projects are being worked out, but it is unlikely that they are still “at the development stage”.

“Russia also has underwater drones and gliders. There are autonomous crewless boats ",

- The expert said, adding: “But given the priority of the fleet in the system of the military organization of Russia in general and the budget for the state armament program in particular, this is not the highest priority task now. If Americans with such a budget can afford such developments, then they can be envied in a good sense. ”

Shepovalenko does not exclude that in the future unmanned ships will be equipped with weapons. "But people are not inclined to trust them, and there will always be a person to make a decision - as the Americans say, man in the loop." Neither ground or air drones, which are constantly being improved, are still not equipped with autonomous means of destruction, Shepovalenko reminded.

“There are armed air drones, but these are not autonomous systems. It would be correct to call them remotely manned vehicles. In general, it is unlikely that a person will ever be able to fully trust in this car, ”Shepovalenko predicts.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 February 2018 06: 48
    +8
    Russia remains to envy the American robots

    And what did this robot prove to be, except for the campaign propagated by the merikatos !? Well, we know that the difference between advertising and the combat work of any weapon or weapon is a huge gap. Whatever the child was amusing, if only he was eating ... he didn’t ask. bully
    1. Vard
      Vard 11 February 2018 07: 15
      +1
      The USA has stationary means of detecting submarines ... A chain of hydrophones ... And still, our boats float where they want ... So another toy ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 11 February 2018 08: 05
        +7
        Well, firstly, they go. Secondly, in this direction something is alike, although it’s about envy. Yes, it is. If we had apparatus like the Reaper, we might not send attack pilots .
        Quote: Vard
        The USA has stationary means of detecting submarines ... A chain of hydrophones ... And still, our boats float where they want ... So another toy ...
        1. ingener1966
          ingener1966 11 February 2018 10: 34
          +2
          Submarines are floating, submariners don’t have such skills as pilots and surface guards, read at least Ovechkin https://legal-alien.ru/akuly-iz-stali/. And their last outlet to the sea, and not the last one. laughing hi
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 11 February 2018 13: 53
          +1
          tongue As far as the "majority imposes its opinion on the minority" and the "right sailors" are much less than land people, then - Floats good . And animals "walk" on the earth.
          But about drone UAVs, or rather about their absence, you are unfortunately right. It’s necessary to switch from attack aircraft to UAVs and even if you lose by the ratio of MANPADS / UAVs, you won’t lose at least good men.
      2. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 11 February 2018 10: 22
        +3
        Yes, they do, but not knowing whether it is under control or not? Buoys are passive. But we do not see what the Americans see.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 11 February 2018 13: 02
          +2
          Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
          Yes, they do, but not knowing whether it is under control or not? Buoys are passive. But we do not see what the Americans see.

          Yes, we do not see what they see. The main thing is that they no longer see when we need it. For a long time I watched on TV, where the submariner told how they "disappeared" near enemy buoys.
          1. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 11 February 2018 15: 15
            +5
            And how did he know that? And by the way, I want to note that it’s not always profitable for the persecutor to show the victim that he is on the hook. The British did not actively use the results of the Enigma hack to combat submarines, so that the Germans would not have guessed this, for example.
    2. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 11 February 2018 07: 16
      +8
      It is quite possible to smell something on him, there are no witnesses, ends in the water. It is not a fact that he will season his SOS with any information.
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 11 February 2018 13: 58
        +1
        And let's put the question differently - who generally carefully read the news, against which boats is this device? Against - diesel, and this is where the Merikasy were going to use this miracle? If on our shores - then drown it mercilessly and with the wording "you were not called here." If on the Baltic Sea or, all the more, to the coast of China, then even ships with crews fight and sink on the tanker lol , and this crap will either be crushed or stolen by local "robin buzzes" for a couple of days.
        Who doubts that they will be stolen or drowned - find the news how the Chinese grabbed the merikas hydro-scanner from their shores and what screech the mattresses lifted, but they couldn’t put anything real until the Chinese themselves “overboard” threw this crap as “nothing interesting” tongue
    3. AID.S
      AID.S 11 February 2018 07: 49
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      And what did this robot prove to be, except for the campaign propagated by the merikatos !?

      But what, he had to sink our submarine?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 11 February 2018 09: 47
        +1
        AID.S Today, 07: 49And what, he had to sink our submarine?

        the ship is only an observation platform without weapons on board.

        Question - what will drown? Go for a ram?
        And the next question - why exactly “ours”? Other than our boats, others do not go? Northerners, Chinese, etc. for example?
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 11 February 2018 10: 58
          0
          Quote: aszzz888
          Question - what will drown

          It is good to actively participate.
          Quote: aszzz888
          And the next question - why exactly “ours”? Other than our boats, others do not go? Northerners, Chinese, etc. for example?

          And because the Chinese here do not throw American equipment over their caps. There are no Chinese here.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 11 February 2018 11: 01
            +1
            AID.S Today, 10:58 ... No Chinese there.

            And "here" is where? Excuse me, have you already “cut” them into action areas?
            1. AID.S
              AID.S 11 February 2018 14: 39
              0
              On the site. Not on a submarine !!! The Chinese here do not try the mantras that am. VPK sucks.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 11 February 2018 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: AID.S
        But what, he had to sink our submarine?
        No to you, say hello!
    4. Dead duck
      Dead duck 11 February 2018 11: 32
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      And what did this robot prove to be, except for the campaign propagated by the merikatos !? Well, we know that the difference between advertising and the combat work of any weapon or weapon is a huge gap. Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would eat ... he didn’t ask

      If they bring "to mind" and rivet a hundred or two, then there will be a dangerous thing for our square.
      They will sit on their tail when leaving the base (or somewhere else) and will slowly fall ... with all the consequences.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 11 February 2018 13: 07
        +2
        Vit, you think very badly about our ichthyander. This is not good ...
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 11 February 2018 17: 31
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          Vit, you think very badly about our ichthyander. This is not good ...

          don't underestimate the enemy ... yes
          and I didn’t write anything about ours ... you don’t need to invent for me request
          and I kind of like Vitaly, not Victor wink
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 11 February 2018 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: Deadush
        If they bring "to mind" and rivet a hundred or two, then there will be a dangerous thing for our square.

        What about his seaworthiness? There were so many cries about the Russian mosquito fleet - and you - 145 tons of displacement.
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 11 February 2018 14: 03
        +1
        We will go out to sea under the supervision of a pair of destroyers who will shoot this shit-robots from onboard artillery. And we don’t need to hang up noodles here "these are declarations of war", but figurines - according to the "Maritime Law", a crew who finds a ship without a crew in the sea can declare it his good . Therefore, mattresses are very at risk promoting the topic of crewless ships. Here they fall into the very muddy waters of jurisdiction, and even if everyone starts drowning these "boats", then apart from the Wiggs nothing to do to the Merikas. Well, they will not really end their lives by suicide by attacking Russia or China for drowned crewless boats.
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 11 February 2018 17: 29
          +3
          Quote: Mih1974
          Our will go to sea under the supervision of a pair of destroyers

          What would be easier to search for? winked
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 12 February 2018 04: 19
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Well, we know that the difference between advertising and the combat work of any weapon or weapon is a huge gap.

      America starts and gets involved in all kinds of wars, bringing chaos and unrest, and at the same time testing its weapons. It has been repeatedly shown how shock drones participate in liquidations.
      In general, it is unlikely that a person will ever be able to completely trust the machine in this, ”Shepovalenko predicts.
      And the so-called homo sapiens overseas seem to soon trust robots to destroy people who do not inspire confidence in the star-striped!
  2. corporal
    corporal 11 February 2018 06: 50
    +2
    In Russia, the expert confirmed, similar projects are being worked on, but they are unlikely to be “at the stage of development work” so far.

    One thing is good that if the "Judgment Day" happens, it is not our fault. wassat
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 11 February 2018 07: 19
      +8
      Yes, the forum will not be able to discuss it. smile
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 11 February 2018 13: 09
        +2
        Vitaly, why. Has Baba Vanga already abandoned her prophecy about Russia? wink
  3. Graz
    Graz 11 February 2018 07: 52
    +3
    what to envy, the next cut of the budget and the provocation to the arms race where we, with our modern economy, are obviously losers, do not spray. it is necessary to identify several priority projects where we will always be the first and to promote them. I remind the author that we have a budget somewhere 15 times less than that of the United States, do not chase two birds with one stone, we will not catch a single
    1. AUL
      AUL 11 February 2018 23: 54
      0
      “Cutting the budget” is the catch phrase of “not very competent” commentators. And the thing turned out pretty promising. One thing is embarrassing - they and the crew then fuck with other ships regularly. And if this drone goes out into the open, then "whoever didn’t hide, I’m not to blame"!
  4. lance
    lance 11 February 2018 08: 19
    0
    with stationary toys they poked the entire oceans, now they took up mobile ones. What is the radius of action from the base and where is the confidence that they will not drag it or sink it from the air?
  5. Tsoy
    Tsoy 11 February 2018 08: 34
    +1
    At the headquarters of the PLA Navy they looked at the press release and called the "fishermen" so that they prepared the nets. Take away how to drink to give, like an underwater drone.
  6. duchy
    duchy 11 February 2018 09: 16
    +1
    Hmmm, and what prevents our defense industry from releasing a couple of hundred underwater autonomous gliders with simulated parameters of a big-oh-oh submarine. Let them chase and scream about the threat, look and the sailors in the Navy fleet sharply decrease. laughing
  7. prior
    prior 11 February 2018 09: 29
    +1
    It’s curious how this “prodigy” will dissect on the ice of our native Arctic Arctic? how do white bears look at it? otherwise they will take them for an ice floe and begin to "rock".
  8. alavrin
    alavrin 11 February 2018 09: 52
    +2
    This reminds me of a plot when the Americans spent a million dollars on developing a capillary pen in space, and the Russians just took a pencil with them)
  9. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 11 February 2018 10: 14
    +5
    I remember in the late 90s a meeting of the military-industrial roofing felts of the commission was shown in Russia, roofing felts of something else: so there bellied "generals", along with assentive "jackets" from industry, thoughtfully stated that "drones" were a thing of the distant future and "drone "will never replace the" manned "version and the type should concentrate efforts on already tested, familiar samples, and not engage in" fantastic "" nonsense ".... Here we are reaping the results ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 11 February 2018 13: 16
      +2
      Darling, why remember the end of the 90s? Let's better remember this ...
  10. HAM
    HAM 11 February 2018 10: 33
    +4
    And who will carry out maintenance of this ship at sea?
    For three months at sea crying not only oil seals can leak, but just the case can fall apart without maintenance ... or is it guaranteed to be highly reliable? I doubt it when I look at the Zumvolt.
    Technique is technique, without lubrication and caress does not work.
  11. dauria
    dauria 11 February 2018 10: 43
    +1
    [quoteHe is not sure that the current model of the "hunter" can really survive in the sea for up to three months.] [/ quote]
    Counted a little. No solar panels needed. Even with a household diesel it turns out. Diesel power station JCB-Broadcrown ACBCМ 33-50 Power 24 kW (30 horses) Basic diesel 4-cylinder 1500 rpm liquid cooling, Mitsubishi (Japan) S4S Fuel consumption at 75% load 6,3 l / h Weight diesel generator in soundproof casing 850 kg Under the condition of continuous operation 3 months 24 hours x 3 months = 2400 hours x 6,3 l / h we get 15120 kg of diesel fuel

    a boat made of carbon fiber, 40 m long and weighing 145 tons. It is quite possible to allocate 16 tons for a generator and diesel fuel.

    And for the maximum moves, combinations of diesel engines can be invented.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 11 February 2018 13: 29
      +1
      Quote: dauria
      Basic diesel 4-cylinder 1500 rpm liquid cooling, Mitsubishi (Japan) S4S Fuel consumption at 75% load 6,3 l / h Weight of the diesel generator in a soundproof casing 850 kg Assuming continuous operation 3 months 24 hours x 3 months = 2400 hours x 6,3 l / h we get 15120 kg of diesel fuel

      Motorist needed.
      1. dauria
        dauria 11 February 2018 14: 25
        +2
        Motorist needed.


        A company is worthless if its diesel does not work for 30 days.
        Diesel fuel 43000 kJ / kg with an engine efficiency of 30% we get 12900 kJ / kg
        Li-ion batteries 360-648 kJ / kg te instead of 15 tons of diesel fuel you need 300 tons of batteries.
        You can take and charge less. But what? From solar panels? 120 watts per square meter, we take into account 12 hours at night - with the same power of 24 kW we get 24 x 2 / 0.12 = 400 square meters. - it is necessary to cover the entire deck, and that is not enough.

        They say that energy does not arise from nothing and does not disappear without a trace. Can they lie?
        1. dauria
          dauria 11 February 2018 14: 44
          +2
          Actually, I dig something here http://www.korabli.eu/galleries/oboi/voennye-kora
          bli / sea-hunter

          The unmanned vessel Sea Hunter was developed by the Pentagon agency DARPA and defense firm Leidos as part of the Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV) program.

          The vessel is intended for autonomous navigation at a distance of several thousand nautical miles and the search for "hidden" submarines.

          The ship was built by Vigor Industrial. The launch and the baptism ceremony took place on April 07, 2016 in Portland, Oregon, on the Willamette River. The construction cost amounted to $ 20 million, and the Pentagon allocated $ 120 million for the development program.

          Key Features: Displacement full 145 tons. Net weight 135 tons, including 40 tons of fuel. Length 40 meters. The design is a trimaran (central building with two outriggers). Equipped with two diesel engines, has two screws. The maximum speed is 27 knots (50 km / h). The fuel reserve is sufficient for a 70-day cruise. Range at sea is 10000 nautical miles at 12 knots. Designed for operation in the sea with waves up to 2,0 meters and a wind power of up to 21 knots.

          This prototype vessel has no weapons. The crew is missing.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 11 February 2018 15: 00
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          A company is worthless if its diesel does not work for 30 days.

          Motorist needed.
  12. cormorant
    cormorant 11 February 2018 11: 41
    +4
    “In essence, all modern merchant ships operate virtually independently: they are put on course, and then the onboard autopilot keeps the course. The crew itself, in fact, provides only the withdrawal and entry of the vessel into the port ”
    Well, yes, autopilot is used only in conditions ideal for safety of navigation. It is easy to blame the human factor in marine accidents, but no one counts how many times people on board saved the ship and the environment from serious accidents with their actions.
  13. Sergey Koryagin
    Sergey Koryagin 11 February 2018 13: 22
    +1
    Shepovalenko belongs to the wizards, and Sivkov is a storyteller!
  14. aries2200
    aries2200 11 February 2018 13: 30
    0
    REP will kill all this amerskoy toy. and from the 80s we have a robot boat stuffed with 500 megatons automatic rifle full range of 20 km ... quietly approaches the coast of the antminics and bang ......
  15. TOR2
    TOR2 11 February 2018 13: 34
    +1
    Then we have to admit that the Americans created a device that provides long patrols at anti-submarine lines.

    What will happen to this device when it falls into bad weather conditions is of course an interesting question. A long patrol means different weather.
    1. cormorant
      cormorant 11 February 2018 13: 49
      +1
      But there are no questions. He will drown ... This is a toy for coastal waters, in fine weather and with a support vessel nearby.
  16. Lexus
    Lexus 11 February 2018 13: 58
    +1
    Russia remains to envy the American robots

    What can I say? They work.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 11 February 2018 15: 14
    0
    A ship with a displacement of 45 tons will go to sea for 90 days. It's just fantastic whether this ship will survive even one storm is not yet obvious, but the fact that the Russians are crushing saliva at the sight of this wunderwaffe is already written in all American newspapers!
    Typical snowstorm for lovers of American values!
    I remembered something: the American rush in the media from the appearance of information about the Status 6 project
    Russian Status-6: The Ultimate Nuclear Weapon or an Old Idea That Won't Die?
  18. fedotow
    fedotow 11 February 2018 23: 57
    0
    This thing cannot be used against Russia: they will soprut and surrender to metal. Great freebie!
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 February 2018 15: 49
    0
    The thing is very good ... one point is interesting, if anyone landed on it? What will happen?
    1. mejik
      mejik 15 February 2018 13: 53
      0
      stick a flag and declare property