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The experience of fighting in Syria: how the Russians taught the Syrian tankmen to fight

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The latest military conflicts in the Middle East once again forced military experts to reconsider their views on the strategy and tactics of warfare. Moreover, the conclusions that were made seem paradoxical at first glance, it is too early to allow the old equipment to be melted down.

What has changed over the past 20 years.

All the recent wars that are being waged on the planet have become conflicts of a new type. Direct clashes between technically advanced powers are unlikely today. Now, the clarification of relations between them turned into low-intensity hybrid conflicts, when the standard situation is the confrontation between the regular army and mobile mobile partisan groups coordinating their actions thanks to modern means of communication and armed portable, but highly effective weapon systems.

For example, anti-tank systems with a tandem warhead today weigh less than 30 kg (and some less than 20 kg) and are able to fight even with tanksequipped with dynamic protection. Moreover, today neither a thick composite armor nor even an active defense system can guarantee invulnerability to a modern tank.

The experience of fighting in Syria: how the Russians taught the Syrian tankmen to fight


News weapon led to the emergence of new tactics of warfare. And even to the emergence of new "armies".

The first bell of change was the Israeli army’s operation against Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. The Israelis in their "Merkavah" and could not break the resistance of the Shiite partisans.

Then came the time of Libya, Iraq and Syria. The armies of the local “opposition” that appeared here, as if from nowhere, were able to very effectively fight the regular troops, which were not helped by either an absolute superiority in heavy weapons, or the presence of aviation. Mobile and numerous enemy groups penetrated the army’s positions and delivered short and sensitive blows to it, which it could not oppose.

Libya fell after a short and heroic struggle.

Iraq is more fortunate. IG (banned in the Russian Federation) in the spring and summer of 2014, managed to inflict a complete defeat on the regular army, but it stumbled over the ethnocultural map of the region, and even more about the plans of its puppeteers.

The United States did not have to completely destroy Iraq. They had other plans for him.

But Syria was less fortunate. Bashar Assad didn’t suit either Washington or any other Western “democracy” as a state leader, and he didn’t want to leave in a good way. That is why here the worst war in recent years has erupted.

Stepping on a rake



The army of Bashar al-Assad was supposed to die. So she was destined to Washington headquarters maps. So it would have happened, do not interfere with these "damned" Russian, who did not come in time to help the legitimate government. But it was not only the new forces that came from the north, and the new technology that came from there, decided the outcome of the Syrian clash. The most important reason for Bashar Assad winning the war was retraining his army and mastering the skills necessary for survival on the battlefield in the 21 century.

Just do not think that everything happened immediately and suddenly. No, in the beginning it was all very difficult. The very first offensive operations of the Syrian army at the end of 2015 of the year showed that, if nothing was done with the tactics of warfare, there would not be enough strength to further win the war.

The offensive operation north of Hama, on the first day of the operation, turned into large losses of drugs, and then it stalled altogether in the defense of the enemy.

Absolutely ineffective tactics of warfare in urban areas combined with the straightforwardness of the Arab military thinking, which led only to losses and extremely weak progress.

There are no small things in war

The Russians quickly explained to their Syrian allies that there are no trifles in a war. What does not need to wait for some kind of super-weapon that can quickly solve all their problems. They already have everything themselves, it is only necessary to summarize the combat experience and attach a head, and what is not, can easily be brought from the mainland (not without it, of course).



Until October, 2015, the Syrian tanks began to "scald" nets, and on the old T-55 began to appear dynamic protection and a new electronic filling. Yes, little things in the war does not happen. The experience of fighting, including in the Donbas, was used in Syria completely. He defended the sides with a grid - he has already created problems for the enemy. He equipped his combat vehicle, even if not fully effective, but with additional protection, has already reduced losses by half, which means he saved equipment and crews and thereby sharply increased the combat potential of his troops. You see, already in half a year "saved" dozens of combat vehicles "and thousands of soldiers will turn the course of an important battle in your favor.

Good tank, he is a good tank in Africa

Of course, without new and modernized old Soviet technology in Syria has not done. Russian T-72, T-80 and T-90 of the latest modifications were tested in real combat conditions and showed themselves well. No matter how much progress has been made in the development of anti-tank weapons, the filling of modern tanks is also not frozen in the 90's. Tank builders managed to equip modern tanks with new equipment, which allowed them to remain on the battlefield as the main striking force.

As they say, for every tricky “javelin” (they haven’t been supplied to the militants yet) you can always find a no less tricky “blind”, “arena”, ... “Afghan”.

But here we get a very interesting situation. The same new electronic filling installed on such old tanks as the T-55 and T-62, makes these machines a formidable weapon in the hands of their crews. Sometimes in Syria they became more effective weapons than their younger counterparts.



For example, the smaller and more accurate rifled 100-mm gun of the T-55 tank was much more appropriate for the city during urban battles than the long-barreled 125-mm T-72 gun.

That is why the “old men” who did not finish the previous years of the war, having received new, more powerful engines, not only did not disappear, but, having put on dynamic protection and armed with active protection systems, modern SLA and other necessary stuff for today, became very popular among the troops (especially considering their price).

Having a good tank, learn to use it.

The tank itself is not a weapon. Without a crew that can control it, it's just a very expensive pile of metal. Plant her chimp levers, the result will be about the same. Skill crew, the ability to use all the capabilities of the machine - this is another factor in increasing the efficiency of the machine. If you figure out how the Syrians used their equipment in the initial period of the war, you can only be surprised at one thing: how they did not burn them all before the Russians arrived.

Tank attacks in front of the infantry, skating alone, unnecessary stops in the wrong place filled with excessive anti-tank weapons. As soon as the Syrian tankers did not bring their final defeat! I think they would succeed in this if the Russians did not appear and did not explain to them that so normal tank crews who want to return to their families do not act. A certain amount of perseverance, perseverance and some kind of “mother” —and the Syrian army was simply not to be recognized.

It would seem that the people in it remained the same, and the technique was largely the same, but the result was completely different..

For example, already in 2016, some previously unnoticed T-72 take and deceive the "opposition" ATGM. You let him rocket after rocket, but he evades, you know, he does not want to die. Also, Syrian tank crews weaned to work alone. You look at the chronicle and see how a pair of three tanks, covering each other, solve a task that seemed previously impossible for them. And then they went just virtuoso operations. Sometimes it even seems that this is not even the Syrians are fighting, and the aliens from Mars:



By the way, Turkish tankers have not yet learned this simple truth. And that is why so many tanks were lost by them in the vicinity of El-Bab a year ago. And neither the modern stuffing nor the armor saved them. And they do not save, if there is no brain.

There is such a joke in the army. Protection of the tank grows in direct proportion to its speed of movement on the battlefield. But here a joke and does not smell.

instead of an epilogue

According to the federal target program “Industrial utilization of weapons and military equipment for 2011-2015 years and for the period up to 2020 of the year”, approximately 10 thousand units of “outdated” Soviet-made armored vehicles were destroyed. But today, according to the chief of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Alexander Shevchenko, this decision has been revised. Utilization should not exceed 4 thousand units. The rest was decided to be restored and handed over to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation or transferred / sold to allied countries.

The experience of the Syrian battles, as well as this decision, made on their basis, suggests that it is still too early for the old Soviet tanks to “rip off their horseshoes”. In today's troubled world, they will still have the opportunity to distinguish themselves more than once on the battlefield and prove that there is still life in the old dog box.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 26 January 2018 06: 38
    31
    That's what “some kind of mother” does life-giving!
    I would not be surprised if not only the "mother" but also its life-giving organs were used.
    For until you lie, the Arabs poorly absorb the material.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 January 2018 07: 30
      26
      With program "Industrial disposal of weapons and military equipment" , stopped in time, and then, as usual, they would have broken wood, and then clutched their heads.
    2. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 26 January 2018 08: 08
      10
      Quote: Victor_B
      That's what “some kind of mother” does life-giving!
      I would not be surprised if not only the "mother" but also its life-giving organs were used.

      Mandatory reading in translation into Arabic by all Syrian army personnel:
      Akhmetova T.V. (comp.) Russian mat. Explanatory dictionary laughing
    3. bakhshiyan rachik
      bakhshiyan rachik 26 January 2018 10: 19
      14
      I know one old man who was an adviser to the Arabs so he told me that such a mother was used more often in training than a normal language and nothing was trained better
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 26 January 2018 11: 51
      +7
      According to the federal target program “Industrial disposal of weapons and military equipment for 2011-2015 and for the period until 2020”, it was planned to destroy about 10 thousand units of “obsolete” Soviet-made armored vehicles. But today, according to the head of the Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Alexander Shevchenko, this decision has been revised. Recycling is subject to no more than 4 thousand units.

      I wonder who submitted such "ideas" to the "furniture maker" ?! And liberal-striped ears stick out over the horizon! It’s good that there were clear heads in the General Staff!
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 January 2018 06: 55
    25
    Readable article, thanks to the author. With analytical calculations.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 January 2018 07: 34
      30
      Yuri Podolyaka (Yurasumy), the author is sensible, but there is a minus. It’s hard to dig into his articles tongue
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 26 January 2018 08: 00
        11
        Chertt Today, 07:34 ↑
        Yuri Podolyaka (Yurasumy), the author is sensible, but there is a minus. It’s hard to dig into his articles

        hi ! Good luck to the author!
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 7 2018 18: 52
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Readable article, thanks to the author. With analytical calculations.

      An interesting article, but not certain.
      In particular, it is concluded that, they say, the regular army cannot resist the bandit groups due to the fact that they have ATGMs and mobile weapons.
      Examples are given of Libya, the defeat by ISIS of the Iraqi army, the seizure of large territories in Syria, etc.
      But the reason for the creation of the Arab regular armies is not at all the mobility and gang formation and the presence of anti-tank systems, but in the rottenness of the above states and armies, and also in direct outside interference. I would see how Gaddafi would be caught, if not for the air operation of the Western countries. Yes, and in the ranks of the SSA, ISIS and other nusr many former military and weapons from the composition of the Syrian and Iraqi armies. Civil war, however.
      During the Second World War, there was no ATGM, but the tanks were much less perfect. They could be struck from PTR, fauspatron, guns with a caliber of 37-45 mm (heavy tank battalions were not sent against partisans, they were often sent to policemen). Yes, and tanks in parts of the Wehrmacht and the SS, which crushed, for example, the Slovak national uprising was not much, but they knew how to fight, that with the regular, that with the partisans.
  3. bionik
    bionik 26 January 2018 07: 18
    29
    Even before October 2015, Syrian tanks began to “weld” with nets,
    Everything is new, well forgotten old. Afghanistan. 1987.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 26 January 2018 08: 46
      28
      Everything new is well forgotten old ... and then there were problems with protecting the tower from attacks from the top
      1. Oleg Tolstoy
        Oleg Tolstoy 26 January 2018 11: 25
        22
        A strong thing is the armor mesh of an iron bed. I like - I protected the tank from ATGMs, I like it - I quickly buried it as a ground bus for a three-wire single-phase power network, I like it - sifted sand for the DSP. Hosh - the bridges over the stream instantly brought. We need a minimal plan for the production of armored beds purely for "defense purposes" to bring to commerce, otherwise the people are poisoned with chipboard furniture! laughing
        1. tsybin denis
          tsybin denis 26 January 2018 22: 09
          +2
          Oleg Tolstoy
          I heard that the experience with the beds and the chain link was unsuccessful. "Fausts" tore the net.
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 29 January 2018 13: 39
        0
        + 1000 !!!
        8-))
    2. John22
      John22 26 January 2018 11: 57
      +2
      Question: from what year in Afghanistan began to put lattice screens or "grids" on BT?
      1. fuch
        fuch 26 January 2018 14: 39
        +9
        85 - 87 did not see anyone.


        Screens over running rubber. Here are ragged. Caterpillars on the tower from a grenade launcher and in case of detonation. I ran into a mine and there are several tracks. The spare skating rink on the power is tied. This 200 (tank battalion) clearly ran into. The screens were blown off, the shelf was bent, the middle roller changed.
  4. vlad007
    vlad007 26 January 2018 07: 18
    +9
    The interesting thing is that for the 100-mm gun T-55 shells are still preserved!
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 26 January 2018 08: 10
      10
      Quote: vlad007
      The interesting thing is that for the 100-mm gun T-55 shells are still preserved!

      why not? the Vietnamese won su-100 is still in service)) the same 100mm gun))
    2. ASDik37
      ASDik37 26 January 2018 11: 32
      +6
      In our warehouses, despite all the expired storage periods, there are still 85mm and 76mm. And in the military unit in which I happened to serve, from small arms such antiquities as Nagans (emnip 1902-1905 years of release) and SKS carbines of the early 50s were listed
      1. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 26 January 2018 11: 49
        14
        SCS is an amazing thing. Shoots exactly where it is pointed
      2. Djimdi
        Djimdi 26 January 2018 12: 09
        +5
        SCS is not the worst value. If the arms are straight of course
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 30 January 2018 09: 25
          -1
          Shot from it. Great stuff!
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 26 January 2018 13: 58
        +1
        They picked up a weapon for a friend, and so, in the armory they still sell mosinki and SVT of the 40s, and it’s not cheaply 30-40k, they riveted it at that time, I thought laughing
      4. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 29 January 2018 14: 24
        +8
        "In our warehouses, despite all the expired storage periods ..."
        .
        By the end of November 1941, German troops in some sections of the front were able to approach Moscow 27 km, while maintaining an advantage in manpower and equipment. To encircle Moscow, the Wehrmacht troops had to break through the thin line of defense of the 16th army of Rokossovsky, bloodless by previous battles. According to German air intelligence, there were only two (!) Artillery pieces per kilometer of Soviet defense.
        On the last day of November 1945, a convoy of armored vehicles of the 3rd and 4th group of the Guderian tank army reached the line "Solnechnogorsk - Krasnaya Polyana", and it seemed that nothing could stop the Germans on the way to Moscow. But when the German tanks went on the offensive, they were met by a barrage of stunning force. - When a "anti-tank" shell is burst near a tank (T3-T4), the latter would roll over on its side or stand on its butt. The hit of a shell in a tank tower - tore it off and threw it back - TENS (!) Meters. And if the hit fell “on the forehead” of the tank’s hull, then the projectile went right through the tank and literally took out its engine from the stern of the tank ...
        - The Germans were dead. It was obviously some kind of terrible new Russian weapon.
        .
        In fact - Soviet intelligence managed to intercept the maps of the Nazis with the directions of tank attacks - and report back to the rate of the catastrophic situation.
        The headquarters turned to the Red Army artillery academy and the 71-year-old professor D.E. Kozlovsky remembered (!) About a dozen siege 1922-inch cannons of the 6 (!!!) model, preserved in 1877 (!!). They were in quite satisfactory condition ... but there were NO shells for them. But after the end of the British intervention in Murmansk (1918–20), they left a mass of F-531 shells for 152-mm Vickers howitzers (45 kg of steel and TNT!) ... Gunpowder and capsules - American ones were taken. The charge calculation was done by the old Russian professor Kozlovsky. He was worried that the trunks of the 1880s could not stand it - but he hoped that there would be enough shots for 5 of them. The trunks were enough for 15 shots. Firing were cadets of the Red Army Academy ...
        - from ambushes by shooting from distances of 500-600 meters (the guns had no sights and aiming was carried out “through the barrel”), German tanks were destroyed before the company.
        - The Nazis did not pass to Moscow.
        Eternal glory to the Heroes - and specialist gunners!
        1. philosopher
          philosopher 30 January 2018 21: 07
          0
          This means that the use of 152 mm shells against tanks long before the appearance of the ISU-152. And few people know that our bombers worked in Berlin back in June 1941. The Germans were definitely not ready for such surprises.
  5. NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 January 2018 08: 05
    15
    This decision has been revised. Recycling is subject to no more than 4 thousand units.

    Whatever the apologists of the Abrams and Leopards say, but Russian (Soviet) armored vehicles are the most fighting in the world. The old T-72, in comparison with the leopold, is less protected and the cannon fires at shorter ranges, but he has repeatedly proved throughout his fighting life that he can burn the same vaunted Abrams and Leopards, and even in urban battles without losing their relevance.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 26 January 2018 08: 47
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      but he has repeatedly proved throughout his fighting life that he is able to burn the same vaunted Abrams and Leopards

      Could examples be where it was?
    2. anykind
      anykind 26 January 2018 08: 52
      +2
      In Africa, MB and Yes, but with the modern army everything will be wrong. in the 41st year they also considered themselves cool, but in fact the tanks on the move were 25% and even they profiled because of logistics and lack of education. Well, and the lag in the communication systems of troops at the tactical level.
  6. Strashila
    Strashila 26 January 2018 08: 42
    +9
    “For example, the smaller and more accurate rifled 100-mm cannon of the T-55 was much more out of place during urban battles than the long-barreled 125-mm gun of the T-72" ... that's right, the T-55 was designed immediately after the war, taking into account the experience and realities of that time ... and in particular the battles of human settlements. Given that for 100 mm guns there is also ATGM ... very relevant in modern combat conditions.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 26 January 2018 16: 04
      +2
      When in Prudboy "partisan", they told how a good gunner class showed on the T-55A - 1 km from the gun of another 55-ki "flower" did, laying a shell in the barrel ... request
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 27 January 2018 09: 24
        +3
        Quote: Aqela
        When in Prudboy "partisan", they told how a good gunner class showed on the T-55A - 1 km from the gun of another 55-ki "flower" did, laying a shell in the barrel ...


        how many shells?
        such a hit is unlikely. even if the shooter is from god. ammunition errors, wind ...
        but the story is good, young people raise the bar
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 30 January 2018 09: 26
          -1
          Perhaps one time it happened by chance, and a legend was born.
          But the legend is needed, right.
      2. AID.S
        AID.S April 2 2018 18: 46
        0
        [quote = Aqe laughing la] how a good gunner class showed on the T-55A - for 1 km from the cannon another 55-ki "flower" did, laying a shell in the barrel ... [/ quote]
        And excellent gunners only hid condescending smiles.
  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 January 2018 08: 44
    +6
    Good article, respect to the author. In fact, it’s not a tank that is fighting, the crew is fighting, and in cooperation with others. And it gives a result.
  8. anykind
    anykind 26 January 2018 08: 49
    12
    a good article, in few places dullness is called "straightforward military thinking")))
  9. Rostislav
    Rostislav 26 January 2018 09: 00
    +8
    Yes, no armor can replace the lack of brains.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 27 January 2018 09: 26
      +3
      Quote: Rostislav
      Yes, no armor can replace the lack of brains.


      100%

      shot and lazy / forgot to instantly change position, physical education.
  10. uskrabut
    uskrabut 26 January 2018 10: 11
    +8
    The correct idea was expressed in the article that the main thing in war is brains. And brains are command and control of troops at the strategic and tactical levels, and competent actions of personnel, and knowledge of the capabilities of weapons of both their own and the enemy. A competent motivated warrior wins, having advanced weapons, using modern means of intelligence and communication (control). And you won’t throw anything away.
  11. bakhshiyan rachik
    bakhshiyan rachik 26 January 2018 10: 20
    +1
    Quote: K0
    Quote: Victor_B
    That's what “some kind of mother” does life-giving!
    I would not be surprised if not only the "mother" but also its life-giving organs were used.

    Mandatory reading in translation into Arabic by all Syrian army personnel:
    Akhmetova T.V. (comp.) Russian mat. Explanatory dictionary laughing
  12. panfil
    panfil 26 January 2018 10: 24
    +2
    It should also be noted that our tanks are more adapted for urban conditions. They are smaller in size, faster, more maneuverable, due to this they can move along narrow streets, and not just along avenues and highways. In the conditions of urban fighting, this is very important.
  13. Simon
    Simon 26 January 2018 10: 26
    +3
    Yes, well done our instructors, well trained Syrian soldiers and tankers. I watched this tank instructive battle for the first time. Loved it! good soldier
  14. Simon
    Simon 26 January 2018 10: 34
    +4
    Quote: Victor_B
    That's what “some kind of mother” does life-giving!
    I would not be surprised if not only the "mother" but also its life-giving organs were used.
    For until you lie, the Arabs poorly absorb the material.

    Yes, apparently our instructors and the Syrian military taught these "Russian magic words" that help to fight and win. laughing soldier
    1. Dmitry Kuzhilney
      Dmitry Kuzhilney 26 January 2018 11: 08
      +1
      In the matter of training / retraining of the military personnel of the Central and Central Asian countries, "Rus Dzhangi Mushaver", first of all, must learn to masterly use obscene language. And everything will go like clockwork. smile
  15. uhu189
    uhu189 26 January 2018 11: 00
    14
    You will excuse me, of course, but the article is not about analytics, but about pathos. What would poor Syrians do without Russia? And at the same time, it doesn’t bother anyone that they alone fought for some 3 of the year, and for some reason even managed to use no one - but to keep the tank fleet. Not without problems, of course, but they had tanks, and they knew how to use them. The video attached to the fights for Jobar, shot by Anna-News, if I am not mistaken in the 2013 year, long before our forces entered there. It’s at least ridiculous to say that the Syrian army, which alone fought against militants of all stripes from the 2012 of the year, was not able to use tanks. And at least it is, to put it mildly, not clever. And then ours came - and that’s all, a miracle happened ... I don’t say that we didn’t make any contribution to the training, we naturally made it, but the same parts of the national guard who fought near Damascus had very good preparation before our intervention.
    And another point - I would very much like to know from the author about active protection on T-55 tanks, what kind of system are we talking about?
    1. zyzx
      zyzx 26 January 2018 14: 07
      12
      Hmm, before the entry of our troops, the battles were near Damascus and Assad controlled less than 10% of the territory. time has passed now he controls at 80% and the assault on Damascus is not expected .... coincidence ....
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 26 January 2018 14: 29
        +6
        The battles near Damascus have been going on since 12, the front there was relatively stable. And as for the control of 10% of the territory, it’s on my conscience that I leave those who voiced these numbers. I followed the situation in Syria and have been monitoring for a long time, and in 15, after the loss of Idlib, 40% of the government’s control of the territory was announced. Now, of course, you can fantasize retroactively as you please for the sake of market conditions.
        1. zyzx
          zyzx 26 January 2018 14: 55
          +1
          Look at the card.
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 26 January 2018 15: 10
            +6
            Which one? For that period? Or the ones that are now drawing? This is for June 2015, after the loss of Idlib . Where is 10% here?
  16. Glory1974
    Glory1974 26 January 2018 11: 03
    +3
    Apparently the time has come when revolutionary transformations in tactics will occur. The experience of militants fighting in jeeps with machine guns to cross with army units armed with armored vehicles. the result is a module that is talked about a lot, but few people understand what it is eaten with.
    It will turn out to be a mobile unit armed with all types of weapons, having support from the air and from the sea, which can advance deep into the enemy’s defense without fear of falling into the environment and destroying everything in its path. And if the enemy gets in the way in 10-20 times superior in numbers, then he will immediately be defeated by strikes of "calibers" and aircraft. Such a symbiosis of blitzkrieg. modern experience and army realities.
    1. Firework
      Firework 26 January 2018 14: 07
      +3
      WWII experience, defense breakthrough, enemy encirclement
      21 century war ...?
      and destroying everything in its path

      the purpose of warfare is not only the destruction of the enemy, it is more important to isolate him to fetter his actions
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 26 January 2018 22: 43
        +3
        WWII experience, defense breakthrough, enemy encirclement
        21 century war ...?

        NOT! The fact of the matter is that no blows to the forehead, no surroundings.
        the purpose of warfare is not only the destruction of the enemy, it is more important to isolate him to fetter his actions

        This is only the first stage, to bind his actions. the second is to destroy him, or to persuade him to surrender.
        the third stage is to achieve what you want.
    2. Ivanov IV
      Ivanov IV 26 January 2018 17: 10
      +1
      Almost everything is correct. But jeeps with machine guns, this is the Middle Ages. For this there is a BMP. And the rest I agree in everything. This is so obvious. I think they should work out.
      1. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 27 January 2018 18: 26
        +1
        IVANOV. Jeeps with machine guns in Libya drove along the highway 130-140 km \ hour. after 3 hours, they occupied positions at a range of 400 km .. no BMP is capable of this. In local warfare, what is needed. Sand-colored Land Cruisers with a body and ZPU-2 in it were in Libya back in 1987 and are still in demand in the Middle East.
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 27 January 2018 20: 31
      +4
      "... a mobile unit armed with all types of weapons, having support from the air and from the sea, which can advance deep into the enemy’s defense without fear of falling into the environment and destroying everything in its path."
      Directly described the good old Soviet ODShBr drinks
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 27 January 2018 20: 52
        +1
        Yes, probably something close in terms of mobility drinks
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 28 January 2018 19: 46
          +3
          Not only in terms of mobility, but also in terms of armament - everything was there: Grad, D-30, ATGM and LNG, BMD, anti-aircraft guns, etc. + air cover (helicopter regiment). In the company’s mouth was not only DShK / NSV, the rest was in abundance. The idea was right, far ahead of the siotrel, however.
  17. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 26 January 2018 11: 38
    +2
    But the Russians gained combat experience with heavy losses in Chechnya and learned from their mistakes before teaching others. This is sad, the main thing is that you yourself will not step on a rake somewhere
  18. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 26 January 2018 12: 09
    17
    We have the richest tank experience
    Leading
    Fine good
    1. Dante
      Dante 27 January 2018 13: 07
      +1
      I’m not going to figure it out, I recently read the comments that the newest and richest experience in fighting with tanks is Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
      And where did the Rlssian army fight? Chechen and Ossetian, and in Syria were only advisers.
      This is not criticism, it’s just less than just words that are interesting but also facts, and if they confirm this hypothesis that (Tank experience in Russia is rich, Leading) then I’m just happy for a strong Russia.
  19. The Grubby
    The Grubby 26 January 2018 12: 11
    +2
    Libya fell after a short and heroic struggle.
    Iraq was more fortunate.


    I look at Iraq and think, lucky so lucky the country! So that everyone lives like Iraq lives now (joke)!
  20. The Grubby
    The Grubby 26 January 2018 12: 26
    +3
    The video with the wandering tank "shot - disappeared" was very impressive. Interestingly, our conscripted tankers whose service life is 1 year is taught this?
    BMP-2 is a beauty, only MTLB is steeper than her.
    1. fuch
      fuch 26 January 2018 15: 11
      +6
      Shooting from a place, shooting short, shooting on the move standard training of tankers. He served a long time, but I don’t think that something has changed. In its conservatism, the army is akin to the church. We have not been fighting for a long time, but there is combat training.
      1. The Grubby
        The Grubby 26 January 2018 15: 32
        +3
        Quote: Fduch
        He served a long time, but I don’t think that something has changed


        You then served 2 years, not a year, like today's warriors. I mean, the year in the army is about nothing.
  21. groks
    groks 26 January 2018 12: 39
    +6
    getting new, more powerful engines
    ??
    And everything else is no better. It turns out that the Syrian tankmen who fought without interruption for several years did not want to return home. Not even kamikaze - suicides. And our tankmen, who didn’t fight at all, finally taught them. Get fucked up.
    Someone at the notorious BBB forum had such a phrase in the signature. "As they fought in the year 45. Our infantry cannot take on a certain height, asks for support. Heavy artillery, BM-13, works in height. Arriving attack aircraft grumble and turn home:" Once again, intelligence has mixed up - there is no height there. "
    Total Having gained a strategic, tactical, technical and ideological advantage, the exhausted Syrian army began to win. It would be strange if it were the other way around. The attached video demonstrates this. Combat in CTO mode, with full advantage in technology, surveillance and communications.
    It was just ours that gained valuable experience. Experience again in the CTO.
  22. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 26 January 2018 13: 09
    +1
    Leave the tanks and upgrade them - the NATO team will completely go down.
    1. Cetron
      Cetron 26 January 2018 13: 56
      +3
      The Romanians left the T-55, modernized it and piled on the "Abrams" at the NATO exercises.
  23. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 26 January 2018 13: 34
    0
    fine!!!
  24. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 26 January 2018 15: 55
    +6
    As I understand it, one of the main thoughts of the article: it’s early and stupid to write off old tanks (up to and including T-55) into the scrap; crews must be trained, including the new conduct of hostilities. I would also add that the modernization of the BMP-1 and BTR-60,70 is possible. There are many such techniques. If the BMP-1 replaces the turret with a remotely controlled module with a 57-mm gun, then in terms of armament it will approach BMP-3. And armored personnel carriers can replace engines and install another weapon module. They will not become Boomerangs, but they will be equal to BTR-82A.
  25. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 26 January 2018 16: 28
    +5
    ) In Damascus, part of the SAA forces were transferred to Dara, perhaps the offensive will begin there. Eastern Ghuta is a relative draw. The SSA was not able to defeat the base near Harasta, the SAA was not able to take a huge number of territories, only part of the buildings. Both sides suffer heavy losses.
    2) In Hama, a total cleaning of the boiler with ISIS and survivors of the HTS is planned.
    3) Positional fights are going on in Idlib, the KhTSh is planning an offensive. A large mass of SSA stopped fighting with the SAA and attacked the SDS.
    4) In Dara there is a glow between the SSA and the SAA, ISIS attacked the city of Haight.
    5) In DEZ, IS forces attacked 2 villages near the Meyadin and Abu Kemal highways, attacked T2, all attacks were repelled. Now the militants are storming the village, which is in contact with the SDS. Garaing is firmly behind the SDS loss of Kurds in the last hours of 100 soldiers, ISIS 200 militants.
    6) In Afrin, losses among the Kurds, Turks, and the FSA increased sharply. Turks again occupied several territories. SDS knocked out SSA from Bulbul. SDS announces the downing of their aircraft.
  26. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 26 January 2018 17: 00
    0
    Thanks for the clever article!
  27. andrewkor
    andrewkor 26 January 2018 18: 13
    +2
    Waiting for the Syrian tankers at Tankbiathlon 2018!
  28. Wolka
    Wolka 26 January 2018 18: 17
    +2
    Thanks to the author, everything is just like in the famous Soviet film ... the commander is obliged to think, think, and not just wave his saber ... it would seem corny, but that’s why NATO is afraid of Russia ...
  29. VladikAA
    VladikAA 26 January 2018 22: 08
    0
    Video beauty !!!!!!!
  30. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 January 2018 22: 14
    +8
    About the video. Cutting old frames, and they could be put together better. A commentary on the footage is needed, confirming the theses expressed in the article, and if no such illustrations were found, then these episodes of the video clip are not necessary. In particular, the moments of the tank’s hunting on the Basmachi crossing lane remained behind the scenes, then three pieces were well laid. For some reason, they showed twice a blasting of a tree near the BMP, but it was necessary to show that there were no casualties in the personnel, only the chassis was damaged, and the BMP went under repair on its own. After all, everything was in the original video.
  31. raid14
    raid14 26 January 2018 22: 32
    +1
    Yeah, tell "to a drunk pioneer how you taught the Syrians in urban conditions, I can save the tanks, I can personally from the videos on YouTube in 2012, your comments on the benefit of installing additional DZ" Contact "and" self-made "REs on tanks.
  32. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 26 January 2018 23: 08
    +4
    The author is cunning, like without Russia, he writes that Israel lost the Second Lebanon type, I was there and didn’t see this, but the fact that we broke their ass and their mother, too, is a fact. The only mistake Israel made on that war is an underestimation or neglect of the possibility of a quick build-up of firepower, that is, the ATGMs kindly provided by Syria, for which they are now paying the lives of their soldiers and citizens. 42 tanks were shot down in the Second Lebanon, 4 of them were destroyed, one Merkava-2 and 3, and two Merkava-4, with one Merkava- 4 was torn apart by a powerful landmine. We tankers there in Lebanon were more afraid of landmines than missiles. Regarding active defense, the only country in the world that has real combat experience in using active defense is Israel, and where Syria used KAZ, in the minds and fantasies that they hung birdhouses with some kind of light bulbs, not the fact that it worked and where the evidence and facts, as Stanislavsky said, I don’t believe. Russia really has a huge and invaluable experience in waging wars and especially tank ones, but for some reason it’s always forgotten until gr The 200 doesn’t start to arrive in trains, it’s a shame. In Israel, many shoulder straps and goals flew for mistakes in the Second Lebanon, and then they made conclusions and began to modernize the army abruptly and quickly. Regarding lattice screens, this is also not a salvation, especially from powerful missiles, those who don’t believe let them go to the website of the Research Institute of Steel and see a report where a probability of a maximum of 0,7 is given, and this is with specially designed and correctly installed, and specifically for each tank, a whole range of protective systems, such as reflective screens, polymer, and so on. And here is the trellis bush polar hung up and all you can drink Borjomi, this can be said to write only diletant.State minus, with a fat
  33. Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 January 2018 23: 10
    +2
    "Syrian tank crews" are those who have lost 70% of the entire tank fleet of Syria and whose crews have been replaced in full force more than once, which even in a shahidmobile moving on a tank cannot be reached from a distance of 300 meters or less, which leave their undamaged tanks as a terrorist at the sight of the attack of the latter, but we taught them a lot, but we ourselves did not understand the truth - how many Arab idiots do not train, the output is the same cannon fodder that was before the training.
  34. steelmaker
    steelmaker 27 January 2018 00: 52
    +3
    Thanks to Perdikov, tank schools were closed in several cities. And training there was carried out for the currency. Maybe it's time to rediscover them?
  35. beeper
    beeper 27 January 2018 01: 36
    +6
    I liked the promise of the article, such an outrageous one! Analysis-background, too, seems to be nothing. But somehow it struck that the author, referring to the "lack of help" of government forces, for example in Libya, forgot to say about the "no-fly zone", which played a very detrimental role in opposing the army to the mercenary mercenaries of the "common people"? The same is true in Syria, until the Russian Air Forces unexpectedly (the Washington "regional committee" and its satellites) entered the business of the Russian Air Force, because everything went to the same NATO declaration of a "no-fly zone" over the "moderate" and "immoderate" terrorist formations, with the aim of ensure the success of their offensive against the Syrian army? So, aviation plays a big role in ensuring military operations, both of government ground forces (for example, the "no-fly zone" completely eliminates the advantage in aviation) and of "opposition" units (for example, supplying "their village sons" by air - " erroneous "dumping of weapons and ammunition by gangs of" moderate "terrorists and their" immoderate "allies attacked by government forces, evacuation from the environment, helicopters of" neutrals ", valuable gang leaders), help is by no means the last!
    In addition, in my opinion, not all Syrian tankers were such hopeless tactical amateurs in the use of tanks yes , many of them competently fought before the "explanation" smile , many Syrian military leaders studied at Soviet military schools and academies, where they learned the science of "tank driving", and not from the floundering bay, to the SA command posts. IMHO
    Also in the war, morale is of great importance - with the advent of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the defenders of the Syrian Fatherland, who had already become ignorant and "tired" in the long-standing battles with the "multi-dimensional opposition" organized and comprehensively supported by the collective West, were very perky, and "spirits", on the contrary, "Hit", this is at the level of fighting spirit, and even increased many times, in terms of effectiveness and power, combat action from the air, timely provision of air and space reconnaissance data!
    Everything, including many other things, “grew together” in a complex and in a real “hopelessness” a real victory loomed, so the Syrian defenders of the Motherland appeared fighting courage, and here the new technique, to match it, there were new theoretical ideas brought to life - " the process has begun (as Michael the Tagged used to say) "on an increasing, but in an optimistic manner yes ! Tanks are just one of many instruments of war in the mountainous desert Syria, which in itself, isolated, is only a “temporary cart” for a gun, like a “martyr’s car”.
    By the way, in the video cut to the Article, I didn’t see a “literate tank battle” - of course, there are moments of actions that, with a stretch, can be called literate — speed, “blinding (anti-tank) smoke”, firing (with a rise in the mass of masking dust - where is that "liquid (diesel sparing" throw out the smoke "or what?) infantry into ruins, while repeatedly creating a pre-emergency situation and redposylku for the destruction of the group, because after all, special counter was not seizure-storming buildings and streets is also not shown, of this "vidyuhi" nothing literate and do not learn? request
    100mm tank gun D10T-2C I myself like it, on the T-55 I learned the basics of tank science winked although our mentors, veterans of the Second World War and the post-war “conflicts” more than her, praised the “thirty-four” 85, saying: “there was a gun, you can go from there to aim it!” It turns out that each generation of Soviet tankers has their own favorite of guns yes
    I hope that I didn’t put the Author of the Article to shame (I didn’t set such a goal) with my "five-kopeck" comment, but only drew his attention to the clearly superficial preamble and the need for a better selection of "video", since there are a large selection of "videos" shot on the Web from the side of the SA, and from the side of the erasing "AA!" hired kakby "mujahideen".
    hi
  36. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 27 January 2018 09: 18
    +2
    The experience of fighting in Syria: how the Russians taught the Syrian tankmen to fight


    taught them in 1967, 1973, 1982, at the end of 2018 what began to leak out (?).
    1. karish
      karish 27 January 2018 09: 23
      +2
      Quote: Maki Avellievich
      and finally by 2018 what began to leak out (?

      Drive baboons through the desert?
      In the years you mentioned in the USSR, the same was reported that the Syrian army good
      And how I ran into a normal opponent - so request
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 27 January 2018 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: karish
        Drive baboons through the desert?


        meaning in 2018 Russia was able to train baboons to wear uniforms and control tanks, so do you think?
        then you Arabs are baboons, then valiant warriors of freedom and light. decide ..
        1. karish
          karish 27 January 2018 09: 39
          +3
          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          meaning in 2018 Russia was able to train baboons to wear uniforms and control tanks, so do you think?

          Yes
          Lieutenant Mowgli (we don’t name the officer’s real name) took this call sign for a reason: everyone has their own quirks in the war, and this soldier always walks barefoot in principle. Even in the heat at +45, when the asphalt warms up to 60-70 degrees. Many yogis can envy a man.

          “It really helps to feel the car, every movement of it. I was also a mechanic driver (driver), I know how to work as a tower worker (shooter in a tower), and recently I became the commander of this excellent tank, and may God preserve its designer, ”says the Syrian tanker.



          Quote: Maki Avellievich
          then you Arabs are baboons, then valiant warriors of freedom and light. definite

          I have ? belay
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 27 January 2018 09: 51
            +2
            may Allah save Mowgli and his friends, Balu and Bagheera. well, Ka too

            ps I suspect that from Mowgli this mechvod is the same as a shooter and commander
  37. realist
    realist 27 January 2018 12: 34
    +1
    knowledge can be given, is it possible to give the ability to think and character to realize the plan?
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 1 February 2018 13: 10
      0
      "... the ability to think and character to realize the plan ..."
      - this is not called knowledge, but SKILL (SKILLS).
      And the skills - they also LEARN. So they write to teach practical skills ...
      And the method - one - training / repetition ... the very thing that the mother ...
      8-))
      1. realist
        realist 1 February 2018 19: 06
        0
        the ability to think is trained poorly. character to realize the plan - not to run headlong at the first sign of danger, no matter how it is given to everyone — the arabs are very shy.
        coaching / repetition is the development of practical actions to automatism in standard situations - so I do not agree with you, you can not teach everything.
  38. Coward
    Coward 27 January 2018 15: 40
    +2
    Afiget. There are military operations, and people are driving along the road.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 27 January 2018 18: 37
      +2
      ETOGES TRADERS. fight during the day. in the evening they trade with those who fought. Recently, I liked the Arabs' protest against the arrival of some American - “we will close the shops and will not trade” So teach them how to fight is an extremely difficult matter.
      1. dvaposto
        dvaposto 28 January 2018 00: 34
        0
        because the war resembles fuss with the Indians. 10-30 people in the same quarters for months running after each other. all ISIS bandits in the war 60 thousand are scattered throughout the country. it is 4-6 divisions in the Second World War. and then with those weapons, and with mutual aviation, such forces for 2-3 months in ruin.
  39. dvaposto
    dvaposto 28 January 2018 00: 27
    +1
    do not understand. Why land the ass backwards. getting so close, you don’t have to turn around. what if there is at least one barmaley sitting there? and then, the cannon could turn towards the landing, just in case. why doesn't BMP shoot at all on different videos? anything but BMP. BMP everywhere only landing and silently.
    here the tanks are running. as far as I remember, there is a wide and adjacent track. BPM behind the tanks the second line could also run and extinguish from their automation. there the walls are not silicate and concrete.
    1. Coward
      Coward 28 January 2018 02: 53
      0
      from 6:27 a beha shoots in motion.
  40. The brightest
    The brightest 29 January 2018 19: 54
    0
    Syria had t-55 with DZ, t-55MV So-called anti-merkava.
  41. Pimply
    Pimply 29 January 2018 20: 07
    0
    Pro and could not break the resistance of the Shiite partisans - a good joke. This is the exit to the Litani River and the active offensive in the second phase of the operation
    1. The brightest
      The brightest 29 January 2018 22: 05
      0
      That's why Sayerets draped a wound with scrap, already bought the corpses - victory))
  42. Fanat85
    Fanat85 29 January 2018 20: 48
    0
    Speaking of the video presented, I watched this video before the appearance of our aircraft in Syria. so either Syrians had sensible tankers before us, or our advisers were long before 2015
  43. Pacifist
    Pacifist 30 January 2018 08: 55
    0
    the “old” technique should still serve if a resource is not exhausted. In any victory, the lion's share belongs to a competent military economy. Modernization can also make a T-34 splinter in the back of the spirit. Put the suppression complex and dynamic protection for the BMP-3 and the enemy will be very surprised.
  44. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 30 January 2018 11: 42
    0
    What a disgrace - they do not give themselves to knock out! :)))
  45. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 1 February 2018 09: 16
    0
    This video is three or four years old)))) oh and the article, the analyte.