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Thunder struck Hmeimim, it's time to be baptized

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Thunder struck Hmeimim, it's time to be baptizedIn the last hours of 2017, December 31, until an unidentified guerrilla group managed to quietly approach the Russian air force base Khmeimim on the range of targeted firing from mortars and carry out artillery fire raid, causing significant damage. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, two servicemen were killed. According to media reports, up to 10 Russian soldiers were injured. In addition, six Su-24 front-line bombers, one heavy generation 4 ++ Su-35S fighter, and one military transport aircraft were damaged aviation An-72, one aircraft for air surveillance and aerial photography An-30, one transport helicopter Mi-8. According to the Kommersant newspaper, on top of that, the runway was damaged and the ammunition depot destroyed. And this happened three weeks after the start of the withdrawal of a significant part of the Russian military group to their homeland. Let's try to figure out what really happened and what omissions of the Russian command in organizing the security and defense system of the Khmeimim base could lead to such disastrous results. Let us try to answer another natural question - is it possible to reliably protect this base from repeating similar destructive shelling of other sabotage actions?


ONLY ON THE FIRST VIEW

According to the first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Doctor of Military Sciences (DVN), Captain I rank of reserve Konstantin Sivkov: “Most likely, the blow was struck on the squares, not targeted, and those who were on guard posts in the area of ​​combat aircraft "(A quote from the material published in the newspaper" The View "). The same military expert believes that a “sufficiently serious artillery strike” was inflicted on the base, and the shooting was not only mortars, but also artillery. By DVN artillery, Sivkov may imply howitzers. But if mortars, say, 120-mm caliber can be transported in the back of a truck, then the howitzer will have to be hauled in tow, and this type of transportation cannot be called covert. In order to conduct shelling by area, it is necessary to use a large number of barrels, and this is the time that takes up minimal position preparation (if this has not been done in advance) and the deployment of guns. It is necessary to clarify the binding to the landmarks, verify the range to the targets and make sure that the targets are where they were supposed to be, that is, we need fairly accurate, relevant data. And this means that the reconnaissance of saboteurs either kept a constant observation of the object, specifying all of the above, or used the data of space reconnaissance, this is impossible without the participation of the Pentagon.

Assume that the howitzers were hidden near the base, in the prepared firing positions, for a long time. In this case, after the shelling, Russian military air and ground patrols were to discover them. But there is no information on this. And the fact that the Russian military did not conduct a search to identify all the circumstances of the shelling and the detection of positions and other traces is impossible to imagine. On the other hand, even 120-mm mortars in an environment where all security services are on their feet are difficult to take away, they are likely to be hidden at a distance of no more than 30 km from the positions from which shelling was fired.

base. Judging by the area covered by mines, several trunks were involved - from three to five. Even if it was assumed that highly skilled artillerymen fired, they could not do without adjustments. It means that the talks should have been aired on the air. The firing positions of mortars were dispersed, so that they could not be destroyed with a single air strike if detected. The interaction of calculations and their management could be carried out only by radio, otherwise they risked being immediately detected.

So it turns out that, on the one hand, a well-prepared sabotage group based on a local intelligence network, and perhaps using satellite intelligence data that only the US could provide, took advantage of the moment and suddenly caused sensitive physical and moral damage to the enemy. On the other hand, poorly organized security, the Russian military relaxed on the eve of New Year's Day and received, in general, the expected "gift." The Russian army must learn to organize the protection and defense of objects from the Russian special units (guarding particularly important state facilities) of the troops of the Rosguard and the Border Troops.

First of all, military counterintelligence was pierced, which did not provide operational cover for the space around the object. Here it is necessary to add the "help" of the Syrian allies, from which, apparently, there is little sense in everything, as they say in Russia, they can neither steal nor punish.

Secondly, the system of protection and defense of the base is built, to put it mildly, sloppy. It seems that even visual observation of the approaches to the object was carried out very badly. Otherwise, sooner or later the glare from the optics of the saboteurs who were monitoring the object would be detected. The security and operational services did not adequately conduct reconnaissance of the surrounding area in order to determine the most dangerous areas and places where it is possible to deploy firing positions of mortars. Here you have to put yourself in the place of saboteurs. In addition to the firing positions, it was necessary to determine in advance the locations of possible approaches and waste of sabotage and reconnaissance groups and to take preventive measures, including mining them with controlled land mines in sections and providing technical monitoring and signaling equipment. In short, the proper security and defense complex was not created.

As for the territory of the airbase, here the puncture was already at the command level, since, apparently, they did not bother to prepare a military base in engineering terms. Neither you have reinforced concrete caponiers for storing aircraft, nor you with blocked gaps for sheltering personnel during the artillery attack.

OPINION OF MILITARY PENSIONERS

Former commander of the 4-th Air Force Air Force and Air Defense, Lieutenant-General Valery Gorbenko believes that to protect the base from the ground, the entire territory at the range of a mortar shot must be blocked by patrols and other units. By the way, the patrol is a military outfit, not a unit, forgive the old man for forgetfulness. He also claims that all driveways to the base are controlled (misplaced arrogance), and right there he remarks that there are settlements near the base from which they can shoot at it. But what about the fact that the locals are loyal to the regime of Bashar al-Assad and are inhabited by the Alawites, who, in theory, should resist attempts to attack the base and notify the authorities of those?

This retired general is sure that for a reliable base cover within 10 radius or at least 5 km a large number of troops is needed, completely forgetting about the golden rule: they fight not with numbers, but with skill.

Konstantin Sivkov explained for the newspaper “Vzglyad” that “there are three zones for covering such objects as a military base. The first zone of self-defense provides cover from attacks rifle weapons at a distance within 1,5 – 2 km. The middle zone is a zone of protection from heavy weapons, infantry, mortar attacks. The depth of its cover usually fluctuates within 8 – 10 km. The third, distant, zone covers from heavy weapons, long-range artillery systems. It provides protection at a distance of 30 – 40 km depending on the strength of the enemy. ” According to him, “with the base in Tartus, the same situation as with Hamim.”

Sivkov also stressed: "We built a defense system there, focused on protection against the regular army, that is, powerful air force strikes from the sea and land." But then he made a reservation that it was “not effective enough” against sabotage and reconnaissance groups.

A military pilot, Air Force Colonel, Hero of Russia Valentin Padalka referred to the Afghan experience. According to him: “Kabul and all our aviation divisions, military units were organized by guards right up to the triple ring with different distances from the center of this object.” The first ring had a radius of approximately 1 km, the second, average, - 5 km, the third - about 10 km, also mobile groups were created, which quickly responded to the attack attempts. Padalka indicates that the range of “mortar shelling is usually 3 – 4 km, up to a maximum of 5 km.” In fact, 120-mm mortars can conduct aimed fire at a distance of up to 7 thousand and even more kilometers (the pilot does not have to know this).

According to Valentin Padalki, in the radius to 5 km there should be “no movement, incomprehensible unidentified people”, there should be “an absolutely clean zone”. In the immediate vicinity of the object are settlements, therefore, this recommendation is impracticable. Along the western front of the perimeter of the base there are two busy motorways, on the same side, a little more than 2 km, the seashore. In the east, around 6 km, mountains begin, which immediately was worth determining as the most dangerous course of action of the DRG. What was done is unknown, but the general results of the organization of the protection and defense base on 31 December 2017 of the year can draw conclusions.

UNRESTORABLE CONCLUSIONS

In addition to these shortcomings, there are also complaints about the organization of the placement of aircraft for refueling and maintenance vehicles, as well as for the storage of ammunition. Published in the Arabic English-speaking blogosphere images indicate that the planes are open-air and located almost close to each other. Moreover, the bloggers noted that sometimes there is an open placement of ammunition near the aircraft landing area.

It is alarming that none of the Sunni Islamist militant groups claimed responsibility for the shelling. On the contrary, there is information about a certain organization, Free Alawites, which occupies a tough anti-Assad position, and its involvement in the events described is possible. And this suggests a lack of solidity in the Shiite camp in Syria. However, one should not dismiss the version that the allies of Moscow, Tehran and Damascus, may thus have begun the process of gradually squeezing Russia out of the region.

It is certainly possible to organize reliable security for the Hmeymim base, but for this it is necessary to attract intelligent people.
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  1. Ham
    Ham 14 January 2018 06: 57
    11
    Thanks to citizen chief Putin for world peace!
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 14 January 2018 07: 19
      23
      Quote: Ham
      Thanks to citizen chief Putin for world peace!


      What are you talking about?

      Was it a shame for shit?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 14 January 2018 08: 51
        10
        It's a shame probably for world peace .. And so anyhow, just to blurt out ..
        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: Ham
        Thanks to citizen chief Putin for world peace!


        What are you talking about?

        Was it a shame for shit?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 14 January 2018 07: 40
      17
      I don’t understand anything! The author didn’t oversleep after the New Year’s holidays, or was he like this in life? belay
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 14 January 2018 07: 56
        18
        or such a life?

        Most likely in life. What advice did the "sensible" give in conclusion
        for this it is necessary to attract sensible people.
        You would think that there are no-brainers today.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 14 January 2018 08: 53
          +1
          No, it’s not dumb. But maybe there is ..
          Quote: rotmistr60
          or such a life?

          Most likely in life. What advice did the "sensible" give in conclusion
          for this it is necessary to attract sensible people.
          You would think that there are no-brainers today.
      2. NIKNN
        NIKNN 14 January 2018 13: 28
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        I don’t understand anything! The author didn’t oversleep after the New Year’s holidays, or was he like this in life? belay

        Probably. request Analytics from the kindergarten, criticism is not constructive, speech is not coherent ... Test pen after NG .. lol
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 14 January 2018 15: 06
          +1
          Yes, and "In fact, 120-mm mortars can conduct targeted fire at a range of up to 7 thousand and even more kilometers" - also from the author’s fantasies.
          1. captain
            captain 14 January 2018 16: 32
            +1
            Quote: Igor V
            Yes, and "In fact, 120-mm mortars can conduct targeted fire at a range of up to 7 thousand and even more kilometers" - also from the author’s fantasies.

            7100 m firing range from 120mm mortar. The mortar 2Б23 "Nona-m1" has a maximum range of 12800 m.
    3. turbris
      turbris 15 January 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Ham - well done! How did you manage to bite on time, just probably live on the site?
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 January 2018 07: 05
    +7
    If you believe the newspaper Kommersant, in addition to everything, the runway was damaged and the ammunition depot destroyed.

    In the newspaper you can write EVERYTHING !!! And the not “worse the facts”, the more they believe. Security must be done and it will be done, as well as shelter of aircraft, but
    It is certainly possible to organize reliable security for the Hmeymim base, but for this it is necessary to attract intelligent people.
    with "sensible people" we just do not have problems.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 14 January 2018 07: 21
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      If you believe the newspaper Kommersant, in addition to everything, the runway was damaged and the ammunition depot destroyed.

      In the newspaper you can write EVERYTHING !!! And the not “worse the facts”, the more they believe. Security must be done and it will be done, as well as shelter of aircraft, but
      It is certainly possible to organize reliable security for the Hmeymim base, but for this it is necessary to attract intelligent people.
      with "sensible people" we just do not have problems.


      With sensible experts - YES, but with sensible managers ...

      QUESTION open!
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 14 January 2018 07: 26
        +4
        but with sensible leaders ... QUESTION open!

        But here the question is not unique. There are very sensible leaders and bosses ... good
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 16 January 2018 14: 25
      +1
      But so that there is no misunderstanding, It is necessary to truthfully inform the interested public! Not stupidly mumble, about the "minor damage", and truthfully show the flaws in the protection of the base and the consequences of the incompetence of the commanders. And you don’t have to blame it on your health, and about the secrecy of information, because they are secret only for Russians, everyone else is in the know!
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 04
    +6
    until an unidentified partisan group managed to imperceptibly approach
    that is, the author insists that after all it was a partisan group.
    How long have we been in Afghanistan? So in Syria it will be even cooler. In the sense of a lie. What we did in Afghanistan, of course, is the question. But in Syria, people are dying for the interests of the Russian oligarchs.
    1. groks
      groks 14 January 2018 17: 39
      +9
      What we did in Afghanistan, of course, is the question.
      They blocked the production of raw materials for heroin, the income from which goes to subversive work against our country. They blocked drug trafficking in our country, thus saving orders of magnitude more lives than died there.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 January 2018 17: 56
        +3
        Blocked the production of raw materials for heroin ... Blocked drug trafficking in our country,
        I agree.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 14 January 2018 08: 20
    +6
    Already with the phrase "partisan group" the author justifies the actions of the militants - you see, they don’t give life to poor killers and thugs, so they went to expel the Russian army from Syria by shelling a military base! And according to the person who arrived at the base, I agree that there is a lot of mess. To discourage the fact of preparation for shelling, for this you need to remove epaulettes, and for 20 years without the right of amnesty, those of the military who are responsible for guarding the base.
    1. Vard
      Vard 14 January 2018 11: 29
      +3
      This is a civilian airfield ... A road is nearby ... It seems to have arrived along it ... Zeros fell several times and further ... I think the blackout regime on the civilian part is not respected ...
  5. Vard
    Vard 14 January 2018 08: 26
    +9
    A military expert is a captain of the first rank ... That’s if I don’t confuse anything with the moreman ... But he judges by the use of mortars ... Okay, we’re already used to that yesterday’s paramacher speaks out about politics .. And that kind of like a military ... But put hand on the most expensive you will not go to treat the prostate to the dentist ...
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 16 January 2018 14: 33
      +1
      I’m generally a “jacket”, but leafing through the “Wikipedia”, I easily found out that a 120 mm mine gives up to 700 fragments that fly apart within a radius of 60 meters. That is, they cover an area with a football field. Rate of fire 15 shots per minute. Total: one mortar, sows 10500 fragments, 15 football fields. In this area, it is DEADLY DANGEROUS for humans and extremely unpleasant for airplanes and helicopters ...
  6. unignm
    unignm 14 January 2018 08: 37
    +3
    1 more ... but how much did you applaud?
  7. k174oun7
    k174oun7 14 January 2018 08: 41
    +1
    It’s almost like Zhvanetsky’s - an assistant professor, referring to the author of the article, of course dumb - but there are problems with the defense. What's in hockey, what's in the Syrian VKS group. Let us recall the unpunished attack of the Su-24 by a Turkish national fighter. In this case, be baptized i.e. to cover the bombers began after the destruction of the aircraft and the death of the pilot. Hopefully, in this case, measures will be taken. The most important thing is not the number of sorties, which generals like to cheerfully report, but the security of the air base. If planes or infrastructure are destroyed, then there may not be any sorties and non-combat sorties at all.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: k174un7
      Let us recall the unpunished attack of the Su-24 by a Turkish-national fighter. In this case, be baptized i.e. to cover the bombers began after the destruction of the aircraft and the death of the pilot. Hopefully, in this case, measures will be taken.

      Yes ??? Started to cover? Why did they already forget the earlier case when the American F-22 prevented the Su-25 attack aircraft from carrying out a combat mission ?! It turns out that the Su-25 "worked" without cover, and the Su-35 appeared "after"!
      1. NKT
        NKT 14 January 2018 21: 30
        0
        But should he be a couple of meters away from them? Garaged 10-20 km from them.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 15 January 2018 00: 45
          +1
          Quote: NKT
          Fenced in 10-20 km from them

          Maybe so, or maybe "differently" ...
  8. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 14 January 2018 10: 03
    0
    1. Could the attackers try out the photo telegraph communication system (possibly electronic) that transmitted commands through flickering blended lamps? This would preserve the radio silence mode by misleading Russian observers.
    2. Fighting in the mountains, ours cannot introduce aerostatic observation systems in any way. (But they are widely used by the Americans.)
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: M. Michelson
      1. Could the attackers try out the photo telegraph communication system (possibly electronic) that transmitted commands through flickering blended lamps? This would preserve the radio silence mode by misleading Russian observers.

      And why ... remember the "deep legends of old"? You can "keep communication" using cellular ("civilian") communications ... you can use special radio simulating the work of "civilian mobile phones" ... satellite radiotelephones ... directional MM radio relay disguised as satellite "dishes" - choose ! fellow
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: M. Michelson
      2. Fighting in the mountains, ours cannot introduce aerostatic observation systems in any way. (But they are widely used by the Americans.)

      But this idea I "enjoy"! Only, I will "add" ... multicopters ... "tethered" can be ... so that "hung" ..... "roll knows how much time"!
  9. Camel
    Camel 14 January 2018 10: 25
    +7
    It is understood that a typo:
    In fact, 120-mm mortars can conduct aimed fire at a range of up to 7 thousand and even more kilometers

    but I want myself a Strategic Mortar! wassat
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 16: 16
      +1
      Well, you and Wishlist! Only 420-mm Oka will suit you! fellow wink
  10. slaventi
    slaventi 14 January 2018 10: 28
    +7
    An article in the spirit of American propaganda. The American terrorists were affectionately called partisans. They poured all the information, including the fake Komersant, into one cauldron ... An article ... no. So that the attacks will continue in the future, you do not need to be a visionary to understand this .Since Russia and Syria do not have the opportunity to finish off the terrorists from Isil and Alkaida in the American zone of responsibility, because the US is covering them. The war there will continue for a long time, the only question is on what scale.
  11. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 14 January 2018 11: 46
    0
    To cover important objects, an air defense complex is needed, capable of shooting down mines and shells in flight. Powerful SAM systems are not designed to destroy small drones, mines, and shells, and the supply of SAM missiles is limited. If terrorists want to shell a Russian millionaire city or chemical plant, then what can we oppose them? Where is the domestic "Iron Dome"?
    1. faiver
      faiver 14 January 2018 12: 57
      +1
      those. if the city is not a millionaire and the plant is not chemical, then you do not need to protect it? negative
      1. Northern warrior
        Northern warrior 14 January 2018 13: 44
        0
        It is necessary, but at first it is necessary to cover the most vulnerable targets for terrorists and enemy DRGs. These are large cities, military bases, closed cities, and objects of increased danger. No one will shoot at Muhransk, risking his ass, and there will be no proper effect in the media. The goal of the terrorists is to spread fear and panic among the inhabitants of the capital, forcing them to put pressure on the authorities.
        1. faiver
          faiver 14 January 2018 14: 18
          +4
          why, let's take my city of Yakutsk, about 350tys. of the population, yesterday it was minus 50 degrees, it is enough to bang gras and in five hours you will receive at least a third of the population of the city frozen to death
          1. Northern warrior
            Northern warrior 14 January 2018 14: 51
            +1
            It’s not so easy to get to you, and moving away after the attack will be very problematic. I think that the "friends" of Russia have already started a big dirty trick for World Cup 18 in order to disrupt its holding or scare away many tourists. If mortars can be a problem, then launching civilian drones with an explosive charge and sending them into the crowd is not difficult. There is only one way out - to put jammers on mobile communications and GPS signals in crowded places, but this is unrealistic for obvious reasons.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 16: 13
              +1
              Quote: Northern warrior
              then to fill civilian drones with a charge of explosives and send them into the crowd is not difficult. There is only one way out - to put jammers on mobile communications and GPS signals in crowded places, but this is unrealistic for obvious reasons.

              Oh, don’t hack! I drive such thoughts away myself! Do you say "not real"? But perhaps something can be done ... and you need to start "urgently now!" 1. Now the "question" is being solved about the mandatory registration of UAVs when buying (fix, of course, but you need to do it); 2. Legislatively introduce a mandatory system similar to a friend or foe identification system. 3. Involve a territorial passive radar system like "French radar" (in my opinion, there have already been reports that in Russia it is supposed to introduce such a system); 4. Organization of a warning system about threats (including from "air") 5. Organization of special points (for example, within the "framework" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ministry of Emergencies) to intercept "illegal" drones.
              1. faiver
                faiver 14 January 2018 16: 34
                +1
                let's start small that even the ussr could not control the entire airspace of the country, and you are talking about control over drones, which are sold in almost every transition
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 16: 57
                  +1
                  Oh ho ho! Well ... have to explain! "Sold in every transition" because there is no "control"! And I'm talking about "control" ... more precisely, not me, but the deputies of the State Duma! And the speech is dumb about the control of "the entire airspace of the Russian Federation"! You can take care of the “problem” cities, even the city blocks (those and that “time slot” when mass events are held) Unfortunately, for me the time is already late, I’m leaving the Internet and now I’ll not be able to develop the plan ...
          2. passerby5
            passerby5 14 January 2018 19: 19
            +1
            yeah, and by ourselves after banging-freezing tries)))
            1. your1970
              your1970 17 January 2018 10: 41
              0
              Quote: passerby5
              yeah, and by ourselves after banging-freezing tries)))

              - So you don’t know about the martyrs? Which YOURSELF blast-to kill 5-10-15 people?
          3. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 16 January 2018 14: 41
            +1
            Come on! Children at home with stove heating, adults for logging, there are probably spare diesel generators! In stores and bases, probably full of Chinese household generators ... You are like a non-Russian, honest word!
            1. faiver
              faiver 16 January 2018 15: 49
              0
              it remains only to look for these houses with stove heating, they are almost gone - civilization laughing
    2. slaventi
      slaventi 15 January 2018 05: 35
      0
      And where is the dome? There are no such systems yet only in perspective. And those that are ineffective ... If the terrorists want to bombard the city with a population of one million. So their sponsors should know that an answer will come to them ... and maybe it's clear with nuclear stuffing ...
  12. faiver
    faiver 14 January 2018 12: 58
    +2
    article to be honest about anything ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 15: 42
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      article to be honest about anything ..

      Actually, you can say that with that in mind. That the author "rushed after the departing train"! What the author "voiced" was already "written-rewritten" ...
    2. kush62
      kush62 14 January 2018 16: 15
      +2
      faiver Today, 12:58 PM New
      article to be honest about anything ...

      I agree. And what will the comrades say about several billions inadvertently found on foreign accounts. one of the presidential contenders? That would be an article and an argument. laughing
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 14 January 2018 23: 32
        0
        Well, if it suddenly turns out that he also hired militants for these billions to shell our base in such a way as to discredit our commander-in-chief, then the comrades will probably not only have to talk ...
  13. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 January 2018 13: 04
    0
    completely forgetting the golden rule: they fight not by numbers, but by skill.


    Ability in military affairs means maximizing the number, and those who do not understand this have nothing to write on military topics at all.
  14. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 14 January 2018 13: 43
    +4
    What a nonsense! The author can take materials in Kiev backyards ?! Found authority - liberal Kommersant! )))
  15. akm8226
    akm8226 14 January 2018 23: 09
    +2
    In fact, 120-mm mortars can conduct targeted fire at a range of up to 7 thousand and even more kilometers (the pilot does not have to know this) .... what kind of mortars are such - 7 thousand kilometers ??
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 16 January 2018 14: 44
      +1
      "Poplar M", for example. Take a closer look than a non-self-propelled mortar? :)
  16. iouris
    iouris 15 January 2018 01: 07
    0
    Just everything needs to be done correctly. There is only one correct option. “Save” on this issue will not succeed. What base can we talk about if the issue of preserving the regime of Bashar al-Assad is not closed, but "covered" for reasons far from the political, operational and tactical situation in the region.
  17. turbris
    turbris 15 January 2018 13: 11
    +1
    Well, of course, the most sensible of the people who need to be involved in the defense of the Khmeimim base is the author, only for a start you need to learn its name correctly. “Sivkov also emphasized:“ We built a defense system there, focused on defense from the regular army, that is, powerful air strikes from the sea and land. ”But he made a reservation that it was“ not effective enough against sabotage and reconnaissance groups, and Sivkov means for This role does not fit. "Padalka indicates that the range of" mortar fire is usually 3-4 km, up to a maximum of 5 km. " In fact, 120-mm mortars can conduct targeted fire at a range of up to 7 thousand or even more kilometers (the pilot does not have to know this) "and Padalka doesn’t roll. There is only one" cool "specialist and this is Alexander Sharkovsky, who has been around for a long time figured out and knows everything, just managed to write such an article, only creative success can be wished for such an "analyzer".
  18. Old26
    Old26 15 January 2018 15: 09
    0
    Quote: Vard
    This is a civilian airfield ... A road is nearby ... It seems to have arrived along it ... Zeros fell several times and further ... I think the blackout regime on the civilian part is not respected ...

    There is not just a road. There are several settlements around the airfield, the distance to some 200-300 meters, in addition to the highway there are a dozen or two country roads plus gardens. It is not necessary to use a 120 mm mortar ... Someone already wrote that they could use 1-2 mortar "Cornflower"
  19. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 15 January 2018 17: 05
    +1
    I propose to all sofa experts to open satellite maps of the Khmeinim Base area on Google. THERE AROUND THE CITY BUILDING FOR SEVERAL KILOMETERS. This is what makes us think that there was no mortar attack, and on the 31st they simply snapped the first wave of drones. Thank God, quickly made conclusions
  20. Old26
    Old26 15 January 2018 18: 42
    0
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    I propose to all sofa experts to open satellite maps of the Khmeinim Base area on Google. THERE AROUND THE CITY BUILDING FOR SEVERAL KILOMETERS. This is what makes us think that there was no mortar attack, and on the 31st they simply snapped the first wave of drones. Thank God, quickly made conclusions

    Kamrad! As far as our media can be trusted, the 31st was mortar fire. Cornflower has a rate of fire of the order of hundreds per minute. 2-3 minutes of shelling and several tens of mines lay on the territory. And the emnip is 5-6 km east of the ridge of hills. Making full use of a couple of mortars and knowledge of the terrain get off in jeeps
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 15 January 2018 20: 52
      0
      Firing range 82 mm mortar? Up to 4 km approximately?
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 January 2018 10: 44
        0
        and from the ruins of houses if you shoot? from whole houses with a hole in the roof, easily maskable?
  21. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 16 January 2018 00: 56
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    swallowed confiscation of dip property
    swallowed a spit in the face on the olympics

    swallowed and this

    after all, "partners" are the same!
  22. Old26
    Old26 16 January 2018 09: 38
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    Quote: Captain Nemo
    Firing range 82 mm mortar? Up to 4 km approximately?

    Somewhere like that. They jumped out from behind the hills in two jeeps, approached a distance of 2-3 km (this is not a problem among the buildings there), shot back in a couple of minutes and again tear over the hills
  23. Victorio
    Victorio 16 January 2018 22: 37
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    I’d better write what happened on the 31st
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 16 January 2018 22: 47
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      You yourself understood what you wrote. This is years through 10 ... when the Shoigu team leaves.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 17 January 2018 12: 29
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        Quote: Shahno
        You yourself understood what you wrote. This is years through 10 ... when the Shoigu team leaves.

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        you know better in Israel what I understood and when the shoigu will leave