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Pavel Grudinin: a real alternative to the election

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Communicating with representatives of various segments of the population of our country, we concluded that not all citizens of Russia are eager to express support for the existing government elections. This is normal. The whole question is what methods it is planned to do.


Some citizens are going to vote for the old memory of Zhirinovsky, for example. But this political map is a bit, and a bit long. Some are not going to go to the polls at all, well, that is their right. And from some have heard and such that "I'd rather vote for Sobchak!"

However, it turns out that suddenly even a non-party candidate went to the polls, but from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. In itself, this epoch-making phenomenon, to be honest, didn’t even occur to any of us that Zyuganov would get away from political distance.

Although it was high time.

But the fact is: Gennady Andreevich put forward a candidate, and, as it seems to us, very interesting. And the candidate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, non-partisan Pavel Grudinin, can become just that, normal and sane opposition and alternative, which was so lacking in these (and even more so in the next) elections.

Why we are primarily interested in it Grudinin?

Pavel Grudinin: a real alternative to the election


In order to answer this question, we will give a few points, which, as it seems to us, well characterize both Grudinina and the whole situation.

1. If you carefully go through the list of candidates for the presidency, then it will reveal only two people who are engaged in the real business. This Grudinin and Titov. But Titov is an oligarch, a billionaire who owns several joint international projects. It is difficult to say how much the London firm Solvalub, which constitutes the core of the Titov Empire, is Russian. A somewhat dubious figure for the president, we think.

Grudinin is, roughly speaking, an effective peasant. Chairman of the State Farm named after Lenin. Even if a very rich peasant, here is the work of the head and hands.

The rest (well, except for the current president), sorry, boltologi. Journalists, politicians, political consultants, public figures. There is nothing to comment at all.

2. Grudinin can plow. In the literal and figurative sense of the word. An important nuance. Moreover, everything that was built on his state farm, as he repeatedly noted in an interview earlier, was created without the slightest support of the state.

The results of the work of the Lenin State Farm in the Moscow Region are well known.





Someone, perhaps, will notice that the state farm is one thing, and the whole country is another. But we have in stories already an example, when the chairman of a collective farm turned out not the worst head of state. Yes, not without flaws, but nevertheless, the country is not ruined. This, of course, is about Alexander Lukashenko.

On the other hand, in our history there are two examples of how professional functionaries and party leaders seem to have done such things that they are still loosening up. This is about Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

The question of the ability to work does not arise. Lieutenant colonels of the KGB were also not taught to govern the country, if that.

3. Relationship with power. The fact that Grudinin is in some way an opposition figure is clear from the one who gives him support. The party "Left Front" Sergei Udaltsov and the Communist Party can and should be considered a real opposition. More precisely, they are the only constructive oppositionists, in contrast to Sobchak-Navalny-Yavlinsky and other Kasyanovs.

It is noteworthy that during all his labor activity, from the first to the last day at the Lenin State Farm, Grudinin was awarded only the sign "Honored Worker of Agriculture of the Russian Federation".

None, unlike fashion designers, pop singers and pevichek, has no awards like "For services to the Fatherland". Very revealing.

Back in 2000, the newspaper Kommersant mercilessly criticized Grudinin for the fact that he behaves like a master. He does not distribute land to the peasants so that they can sell it to Muscovites for dacha plots. (https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/16879). Highly recommend to read the material.

"Kommersant" put Grudinina as a satrap who did not want the peasants to tear the state farm away, sell the land, buy apartments in Moscow, put money in the bank and live on interest. This is all in the article.

Today it is a well-known enterprise in the whole region and the envy of many.


The “castle” is, by the way, not an office or personal accommodation of the “oligarch” Grudinin. This (!!!) state farm kindergarten looks like this.

The principle “not to squander, but to multiply” is in action. And he, by the way, can be applicable to the whole country.

4. Grudinin, based on his statements on television, is not just a patriot. He stands very firmly on the fact that it is possible to work even in modern capitalist conditions in accordance with the principles of a socialist society. He works.

Strange, why for the successful work of Pavel Nikolayevich do not need to rename the state farm? And for a successful life on interest to sell land for development? And plow, plow and plow again?

Probably, patriotism is not only about beating your chest in the shadow of the tricolor. And to do their work in their own land in this way.

Apparently, he was a very uncomfortable deputy. That's why they removed from the election, seeing extremism in the statements in 2013. True, the accusation of extremism was later dropped, but they were not allowed before the elections.

We watched with interest the performance of Grudinin on Channel One. I must say, the questions he was asked were not just provocative, but even filthy. It is with overtones that, they say, to command the state farm is one thing, and the country is another.

The only consolation was that the questions asked were just these aforementioned political scientists, public figures and other talkers. But what can be taken from the clique of the “First”? He is the “First” ...

And Pavel Nikolaevich answered very, very worthily, as in our opinion.


As a preliminary conclusion: we Grudinin, as a candidate, very much. Our person. Able to work, can go forward, not spitting back. Normal Russian man. From the earth.

Of course, this rejection of Pavel Nikolaevich by the "elites" of television is understandable. It is doubtful that they will like such a president. He will make work, as in his own farm!

And the right fear, the right one.

On the whole, Pavel Nikolaevich Grudinin is a very peculiar phenomenon in the political arena of Russia. And very timely.

Tired, I confess, this is an election show when “vote or lose” or “not Putin means Sobchak”. Well, not a choice, absolutely. Artificially created deficiency, nothing more.

We must pay tribute to Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, who arranged such a sudden coup. And it is worth even expressing gratitude.

At least, thanks to the leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, we have a certain intersection, and not a tunnel with the inscription "United Russia". And through 24 of the year of the board, some kind of change is possible. And not the fact that for the worse.

Understandably, we're talking about the 2024 election of the year. But it’s already good that there will be at least some alternative in 2018. Two worthy people will fight for real, and not the eternal and annoying clowning with one candidate and three pseudo oppositionists on dancers.

And the very idea of ​​a future president "off the ground" is not so bad as it seems to us.
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  1. Baloo
    Baloo 26 December 2017 06: 37 New
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    I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking. The maximum is the Prime Minister, but rather let him remain himself. hi
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 December 2017 06: 41 New
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      He participated in the elections once in 96g. There was a nasty, sticky impression. After that, he didn’t approach the polling stations. In 2018 I will try to step on this rake again
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 26 December 2017 08: 02 New
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        Quote: Chertt
        There was a nasty, sticky impression.

        It seems when ebn also on the site was the representative of the candidate in local elections. When he began to ask questions about the same signatures at different addresses, the cop immediately approached the captain very nervously began to mate. I’ll go to the polls, every mature responsible citizen is obliged to go to the polls, this is a civic duty, like serving in the armed forces.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 19 New
          +9
          Offenders ....
          1. your1970
            your1970 26 December 2017 15: 56 New
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            “These are Grudinin and Titov. But Titov is an oligarch, a billionaire who owns several joint international projects.” - and Grudinin is apparently poor ...
            The assets of the company (2015) are 7 billion with a tail - Grudinin has 40% of the shares (despite the fact that the initial 500 shareholders have only 56 left). And after that he is NOT a billionaire? Or are we just starting to consider dollar billionaires ???
            1. 1Leningrad
              1Leningrad 26 December 2017 16: 07 New
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              If Grudinin is telling the truth to the shareholders, dividends are not paid, and all income goes to salaries, production improvement.
              1. your1970
                your1970 26 December 2017 16: 56 New
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                Quote: 1Leningrad
                If Grudinin is telling the truth to the shareholders, dividends are not paid, and all income goes to salaries, production improvement.
                - And if not?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 27 December 2017 21: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  And if not?

                  Well, do not lie here.
                  You can’t work, but only with your finger in the keyboard and the tongue, so at least in a different place so that it’s not so .... it was visible.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 28 December 2017 10: 34 New
                    +2
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Quote: your1970
                    And if not?

                    Well, do not lie here.
                    You can’t work, but only with your finger in the keyboard and the tongue, so at least in a different place so that it’s not so .... it was visible.
                    -finger show WHERE I'm lying???
                    And even if suddenly I’m lying somewhere (what do you think !!!) - does this cease to be the owner of a 40% stake in the company?
                    It's not about dividends and its salary - it's about half of it property COMPANY...
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 28 December 2017 10: 39 New
                      +2
                      Quote: your1970
                      It is not a matter of dividends and its salary - the matter is that it owns almost half of the property of a closed joint-stock company ...

                      So what?
                      CJSC as a tool against raiding, what do you dislike?
                      Go work, do better than Grudinin did, you can’t, so don’t get under your feet with your speculations and lies ..
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 28 December 2017 11: 59 New
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                        Quote: badens1111
                        so do not get confused with your speculation and lies ..
                        - AGAIN - show with your finger WHERE Am I lying ??? He does not own a 40% stake? CJSC did not have a balance of 7 with a tail of billions in 2015.? CJSC did not have 40 with something shareholders?

                        If you can indicate a lie - indicate, you can’t and are only able to exclaim "do better than him !!" - well, it doesn’t look very good of you ...

                        Z.Y. Even if all the dividends / income goes to the CJSC for development - it will still automatically increase it, Grudinina, wealth - the price of shares (his share of property) is growing ....
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 December 2017 12: 43 New
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        show with your finger WHERE I'm lying ???
                        And even if all of a sudden I’m lying somewhere (what do you think !!!) - does this stop him from owning a 40% stake in the company?
                        It is not a matter of dividends and its salary - the matter is that it owns almost half of the property of a closed joint-stock company ...

                        Go to bulk, honesty of the best rules, the article of the Criminal Code yearned for it in terms of application really.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRqKibCxqaM
                        Do you want this again, Mr. liar?
                        and every time sisyphus stone
                        rolling downhill gets up
                        in the place where the gloomy Yeltsin
                        lies slowly on the rail
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 28 December 2017 13: 07 New
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                        Quote: badens1111
                        Go to bulk, honesty of the best rules, the article of the Criminal Code yearned for it in terms of application really.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRqKibCxqaM
                        Do you want this again, Mr. liar?
                        - i.e. show WHERE I lied, you can’t? You can’t say something essentially on my post?
                        Can you just throw labels - "liar", "lies", "lying"?
                        And unmotivated, to the lie you, in spite of all your attempts, did not catch me ...
                        When such tantrums are rolled up - it’s in the hands of Navalny, if that ...
                      4. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 December 2017 15: 07 New
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        - i.e. show WHERE I lied, you can’t? You can’t say something essentially on my post?
                        Can you just throw labels - "liar", "lies", "lying"?
                        And unmotivated, to the lie you, in spite of all your attempts, did not catch me ...
                        When such tantrums are rolled up - it’s in the hands of Navalny, if that ...

                        Hysteria, did you throw here, citing some rumors, gossip as "facts", and caught on this, tried to save your face, having saved your face?
                        Well, bulk to help you, it’s understandable why Grudinin is not nice to you.
                        "Domestic Politics ... this is the policy of the CHUBAIS ... damned by the people. ... our country ... in the area of ​​Somalia and Mozambique ..." (L. Ivashov)
                        Is this desirable for you further?
                        Well, honestly admit it, you are all nicer than the country and its people.
                      5. Prima
                        Prima 28 December 2017 22: 12 New
                        +6
                        Behind Grudinin there are such strong clans that created greenhouse conditions for him, all the investments to him, the Mokovsky market to him, no one could even approach him in the 90s, otherwise the bandits simply cleaned up. And this kindergarten with a school in the form of a castle this year is not easy. This is a carrot, look, you will live like that too if I am the president. This is nonsense. It is not independent, for all these conditions it is necessary to pay with money, and in the case of the Presidency, they will manage it, i.e. our country already has these clans that Putin is fighting. Therefore, they push him in order to take away votes from Putin, hang all the sabaks on him, and in 24g push Grudinin already. Everything is done to deter Russia, to remove Putin or to be able to put pressure on him.
                      6. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 29 December 2017 23: 31 New
                        +2
                        Quote: badens1111
                        So what?

                        Here I am wondering: is it a provocateur or a hysterical inadequate? Although it makes no difference: in any case, such posts are a discredit of Grudinin's socialist ideas in the person of thinking people ...
                    2. Victor Demchenko
                      Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 17: 51 New
                      0
                      Well, again, your moot point, namely:
                      why do you think that if not for PN Grudinin was the owner of shares, things on the farm would go better? Which side is better? Justify.
                      and yet: Are you sure that it is Grudinin who is the initiator of the sale of land? I personally believe otherwise. I don’t want pathetics, but in the last week or two I learned about it, soooooo that, compared to him, Mark Twain, who ran for US governor, is the lamb of God! (although remember that he wrote about all this ?!)
                  2. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 30 December 2017 10: 57 New
                    +2
                    Quote: badens1111
                    You can’t work, but only with your finger in the keyboard and the tongue, so at least in a different place so that it’s not so .... it was visible.

                    M-d-ah! The fountain of eloquence! “If you can’t scratch your tongue, then scratch it in another place!” Che ..... a fan of the tongue-tied Chernomyrdin?
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 44 New
                      0
                      Quote: Nikolaevich I
                      Che ..... a fan of the tongue-tied Chernomyrdin?

                      You? Undoubtedly.
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 31 December 2017 02: 33 New
                        +2
                        No need to blame from your sore head on my healthy ...
                2. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 20: 04 New
                  +2
                  and why if? he really is telling the truth, it’s just that this truth is by no means in the nostrils of both social activists, talkers, political scientists, and many Putinists. After all, it comes to a joke, listening to the same Khazin and especially ikspert Delyagin with their questions: How exactly do you ...
                  I would have given it in person, but where were these so-called iksperts on the direct line of our beloved guarantor, and why weren't they asked questions about his "May decrees"? after all the execution of laughter to say at ... 6% ?! So what?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 31 December 2017 13: 05 New
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                    Quote: Victor Demchenko
                    he really is telling the truth
                    - Yes, as much as dividends can go to the development of a closed joint-stock company - it is private property of a limited circle of persons.Increasing balance - increase the value of YOUR ownership share. So all over the world, all property owners are doing, he did nothing unusual here ...
                    1. Victor Demchenko
                      Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 17: 54 New
                      0
                      and what? I personally know a lot of so-called UMP (unitary municipal enterprises) if that, to which the APPOINTED directors successfully bring the company to bankruptcy with all the ensuing consequences!
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                4. NordUral
                  NordUral 17 January 2018 09: 18 New
                  0
                  Look at his village, eyes and head, because you have it.
                5. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 20 January 2018 17: 09 New
                  0
                  and if so ?! many spoke with farm workers, and you know, they (workers) are sooooo happy with life ....
              2. Prima
                Prima 28 December 2017 22: 05 New
                +6
                You are all fools who are used in the created project called “Our President’s Grudinin”. How many state farms we have, those who are engaged in agricultural, but for some reason only Grudinin is doing so well. No one has a simple question, but who is behind it? In the 90s, bandits attacked businessmen, their business, and who climbed With Grudinin, they soon all disappeared, Luzhkov had complaints against him, and not only him, and everyone quickly moved away. Grudinin works in greenhouse conditions, all investments go to him, the market is huge for him. He is supported by clan-corporate groups that create conditions for business, and which do not care about Russia and the people. And the promotion of Grudinin is only for that, and 20 candidates in general, in order to take away more votes from Putin. Globalists understand that Putin is trying to ensure that the country has gained sovereignty, but this must be prevented so that you can then put pressure on him, which is why they chose a candidate who will divert votes from Putin. It is not just that the slogans go so that Grudinin is the future of 2024, just what the future is. People feed a fairy tale, look at his state farm, so it will be in Russia as a whole. It will not, not for this push it, but to deter Russia, so that Putin could not completely deal with clan corporate groups, the entire Communist Party and others are aimed at the United States, to again give them the full sovereignty of the country that Putin partially won. All bots work for this.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 28 December 2017 22: 10 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Prima
                  You are all the fools you use

                  Start with yourself. Take a look in the mirror, here is what you wrote.
                  According to this principle, the Znamya plant is now operating in the Sverdlovsk region. The company manufactures products from asbestos and cement: pipes, facades and roofs. In Naberezhnye Chelny, national enterprises include the Cardboard and Paper Mill named after S.P. Titova ". It is one of the ten largest pulp and paper enterprises in the country; for Naberezhnye Chelny, the cardboard and paper mill is the second budget-forming enterprise. In the Stavropol Territory, the national enterprise - “Ternovsky collective farm”, in the Angara region - “Usolsky pig farm”, the largest in Eastern Siberia.
                  So shut up, yerovskiy talker.
                2. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 29 December 2017 20: 08 New
                  +4
                  another Putinist in our community! can I ask a question?
                  and specifically: how much did a liter of gasoline cost in 1999 and 2000? to remind? and how much is it now? and how much is a loaf of bread? can you explain to me, wretched, why there is NO inflation, but should I live badly at retirement?
                  1. ava09
                    ava09 30 December 2017 07: 15 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Victor Demchenko
                    can you explain to me poor

                    Can anything be explained to the wretched?
                3. NordUral
                  NordUral 17 January 2018 09: 21 New
                  0
                  And I, I don’t know why, don’t feel sorry for those disappearing ... The main thing is the result, and he says, or rather screams, for himself.
                4. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 20 January 2018 17: 14 New
                  +1
                  Dear, why do you consider us all idiots and suckers? man managed to put everyone in their place - honor and praise to him! but about the fact that the great Pu is trying, so answer, it’s possible in a personal way, so that the forum would not be loaded, the only question is: why do our money lie in a US bank? Kazakhstan’s body movements tell you nothing with attempts to unblock accounts in the USA?
                5. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 17: 56 New
                  0
                  Respected! and why is it you consider ALL of us, I apologize to the fools?
                  Or maybe you yourself are not a very smart person, or misled? Or simply put, just another bot that pours dirt on a real candidate?
            2. Ragoz
              Ragoz 26 December 2017 21: 04 New
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              sv1970:
              Do not mess around. Better count the billions of modern rulers of the Kremlin offices.
              1. your1970
                your1970 26 December 2017 22: 23 New
                +4
                Quote: Ragoz
                sv1970:
                Do not mess around. Better count the billions of modern rulers of the Kremlin offices.
                -we must be more honest, more honest .. And do not lie about the collective farm chairman and concern for hard workers ...
                in 1917 they were killed near their estates, I repeat once again - HE'S BILLIONAIRE ... and cannot have a relationship with the Communist Party ....
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 26 December 2017 23: 23 New
                  +7
                  And here is Grudinin, and why should there be poor candidates in the Communist Party, please explain?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 27 December 2017 00: 45 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Krabik
                    And here Grudinin and why in KPRF should be poor candidates please explain?

                    they have a word in the name - communist....
                    Only and solely because of this (and also because of the type of program of the Communists) - either communists or latifundists (billionaires). According to the classics of Marxism-Leninism - he should not be among them
                    If they allow billionaires, then they have a party: a socialist / Christian / conservative / ............... / cadet in the end, but not a communist one - which promised something to the expropriators there
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 27 December 2017 08: 56 New
                      +2
                      Do you want communism in one of the parties when the country is capitalist?
                    2. gig334
                      gig334 27 December 2017 10: 16 New
                      +9
                      Its 1970, and what’s in their name communist? does that mean they have to be homeless? Have you heard about a planned economy with market elements under Stalin?
                      Read about handicraftsmen and artels under Stalin; read the Constitution of the USSR from 1936. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has the most ideal program, in it it is good for simple workers, small and medium-sized businesses, and only oligarchs are bad. Grudinin is not an oligarch, but an entrepreneur, business executive, like Stalin at one time. Stalin was also a business executive. And why do you think the Communists should remain in the development of the 17th year of the 20th century? They also develop and adapt to current realities. And let communism itself be a general idea, for which people are not yet ready, have not matured to this, have not evolved. And I also wanted to say that socialism, and communism is the last stage of socialism to which humanity can go hundreds or thousands of years, does not exclude small and medium-sized businesses. Communism itself is a formation for advanced civilizations. I repeat, but socialism itself does not exclude market elements, small and medium-sized businesses. And also, it does not destroy faith in God, the Bolsheviks did not fight this, the imperialists did it (fifth column, Trotsky, Bukharin, Yezhov, etc.). And neither Lenin nor Stalin ever called for the demolition of churches and the destruction of church ministers .. But then Stalin later, as he destroyed the fifth column, actively restored the Russian Orthodox Church. There is even a documentary chronicle of the Stalin era, which shows how priests stand with orders and medals on their chests. So I don’t know what surprises you in Grudinin, about a business executive, entrepreneur, communist. Vote for him.
                    3. Greenwood
                      Greenwood 27 December 2017 11: 07 New
                      +6
                      You can’t understand in any way that the modern Communist Party has not rejected private property and private business for a long time. The Communist Party offers a mixed economy (the closest example is China), where the state will control only strategic large enterprises, defense, and mining industries. And the service sector, food, textile, etc. production - please into the small-medium business. here you have both competition, and the pursuit of quality, and that same invisible hand of the market. Accordingly, no one forbids making big money either. only earn them at your own production, and not at the privatization of public enterprises or the crowd at the budget feeder.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 27 December 2017 12: 01 New
                        +5
                        Once again for everyone - "either take off the cross or put on your underpants" © DDT

                        “According to Marxism, the“ communist socio-economic formation ”, or, briefly,“ communism ”consists of two phases: the lower — which in Marxism is called socialism and the highest — the so-called“ complete communism. ”Under socialism, there is a state, and state power is stronger than under other formations, elements of bourgeois law and other remnants of the capitalist formation. personal property exists small private production (household plots) and small private trade (markets). However, large social property under socialism is already absent. Since means of production become common (!!!) property, the word "communism" is already applicable to this phase. "-
                        1) The Communist Party, for this reason alone, does not have the right to be called communist — any other as much as you like: PRF, CDU / CSU, EKLMN, and at least “social democrats” ...
                        The presence of several oligarchs (albeit small ones) in the party deprives them of such a right
                        2)
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        only earn them in your own production
                        earn in CAPITALISTIC society can be one only way- exploitation of wage workers,not having their own means of production. Your statement categorically contradicts the ideas of Marxism-Leninism.
                        3) Grudinin OWNER 40% of capital goods (for 3 rubles) - he is even, according to current concepts, a co-owner of a LARGE business. Not receiving subsidies / kindergarten / large salaries for workers - does not change its essence: it is an exploiter. Similar examples existed until 000, when employers took care of their workers, but this did not change their exploitative nature.
                        4) from the site of the Communist Party - just show where you see the mixed economy here and where are the views of China
                        “Capitalism itself creates the prerequisites for the establishment of a more perfect social system. The main material basis of the inevitable onset of socialism is socialization of production."
                        "The third stage. Its content will be energetic work on the final formation of socialist social relations, ensuring the sustainable development of the socialist system on its own basis. Social forms of ownership of fixed assets will become dominant. "
                        5)read at least something of what the candidates / parties say from the stands, there are so many jokes running on, tin is simple !!!!

                        ZYIn 1917 he would have been spanked by all means (rich landowner) - if he had not had time to escape to Paris / Constantinople / Berlin
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 27 December 2017 21: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        Z.Y. In 1917 he would have been spanked by all means (rich landowner) - if he had not had time to escape to Paris / Constantinople / Berlin

                        This is the opinion of the neo-Trotskyist.
                        And such people always go together with those against whom they "allegedly" fight .. For example, with Zhirinovsky, he is also yelling.
                        A loud phrase, banging and screaming, in fact, no results, except for the dirt ...
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 28 December 2017 10: 28 New
                        +7
                        Quote: badens1111
                        Quote: your1970
                        Z.Y. In 1917 he would have been spanked by all means (rich landowner) - if he had not had time to escape to Paris / Constantinople / Berlin
                        This is the opinion of the neo-Trotskyist.
                        And such people always go together with those against whom they "allegedly" fight .. For example, with Zhirinovsky, he is also yelling.
                        A loud phrase, banging and screaming, in fact, no results, except for dirt ..
                        - I wrote somewhere that this Я Would he have slapped him in 1917? Have I expressed joy somewhere about this? Have I written somewhere - that he is a bad person or “poured dirt on him in some other way?” Somewhere I expressed doubt about his ability as a business executive?
                        I stated a fact - that миллиардер (even if he gives all the profits to people / who builds kindergartens / apartments for workers - BUT does not cease to be the owner of the means of production, the exploiter, the owner of 40% of the means of production in this company)) Can not according to communist doctrine to be a member of the Communist Party.
                        Any other party - it can easily.
                        The Communist Party Program-directly indicates that the means of production will be taken from the owners. And then he nominates the owner - the billionaire as a candidate.
                        Sounds like this nonsense - billionaire - a communist (!!!!!!) belay belay -In VO no one understands ...
                      4. Victor Demchenko
                        Victor Demchenko 20 January 2018 17: 17 New
                        +1
                        I’ll also add from myself about China: and very strict control over the quality of products. if anyone remembers the first cars from China, and now .... the differences are very visible!
                    4. Victor Demchenko
                      Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 17: 58 New
                      0
                      Listen, comrade! and if you do not go to MAAAALENKY China, by the way, too communist country
                2. Nachkar237
                  Nachkar237 28 December 2017 13: 36 New
                  +1
                  in 1917 there were other communists - mostly ideological ... in the yard of 2017 there have been no ideological for a long time, or rather they can be counted on the fingers, and what is now called the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is just a successful and beautiful label, such a PR move and there was no smell of communism, only continuous blah blah blah ... they already had a majority in parliament, and what? Nothing ... personal .... just business ..... like that!
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 28 December 2017 13: 39 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Nachkar237
                    in 1917 there were other communists - mostly ideological ... in the yard of 2017 there are no ideological for a long time, more precisely, they can be counted on the fingers

                    Blah blah blah.
                    Do you want in leather jackets? Get it. The sooner than you think. You are already past.
                  2. Victor Demchenko
                    Victor Demchenko 20 January 2018 17: 18 New
                    +1
                    I don’t remember the majority of the commies in parliament, and the Duma also did not have a majority ...
                3. NordUral
                  NordUral 17 January 2018 09: 24 New
                  +1
                  Poke your finger on the estate of Grudinin. And yet, do not lie, he is a millionaire - a ruble, not a billionaire ruble, as the main TV channels lie. And even more so, not a dollar billionaire, like a crowd of power. And Zhirinovsky is an intelligent opportunist drowning a real competitor.
            3. badens1111
              badens1111 28 December 2017 12: 47 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              But Titov is an oligarch, a billionaire who owns several joint international projects.

              Titov is your choice, or an insignificant bulk, so stay with them.
              You wrote here about the Communist Party and its position on the PRC, well, the reader will learn what it is about, you are not, it’s not your role to understand what is written, yours is LIE.
              https://kprf.ru/party-live/cknews/169734.html
              1. your1970
                your1970 28 December 2017 18: 31 New
                +2
                Quote: badens1111
                Titov is your choice, or an insignificant bulk, so stay with them.
                You wrote here about the Communist Party and its position on the PRC, well, the reader will learn what it is about, you are not, it’s not your role to understand what is written, yours is LIE.
                - to be honest, I’m pretty tired of answering your screams / squeals — I quoted from the works of Marx-Engels and from the Communist Party’s website from the “Communist Party Program” —not from separate articles in the section “From the Life of the Party” (which describes personal opinion of Zyuganov and which you are trying to wave!) - and from PROGRAMS of the Communist Party (the main document developed by the party
                https://kprf.ru/party/program
                where it is clearly written what and how the Communist Party will do, including:
                "Capitalism itself creates the prerequisites for the establishment of a more perfect social system. The main material basis of the inevitable onset of socialism is the socialization of production."
                "The third stage. Its content will be energetic work on the final formation of socialist social relations, ensuring the sustainable development of the socialist system on its own basis. Will become dominant public ownership of fixed assets. "
                Go ahead
                Balance of CJSC (2015) - 7 528 620 000,00
                https://zachestnyibiznes.ru/company/ul/1025000658
                099_5003009032_ZAO-SOVHOZ-IMENI-LENINA / balance

                2015g.
                Cash flows from current operations
                Income - total
                including: 4110 1 183 943
                from the sale of products, goods, works and services 4111 865 364
                lease payments, royalties, royalties, commissions and other similar payments 4112 317 622
                from resale of financial investments 4113 0
                other income 4119 957
                https://e-ecolog.ru/buh/2015/5003009032

                Even if he has only 1% of the shares, this is property (on the balance sheet) of 75 million.
                1. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 1 January 2018 18: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  Even if he has only 1% of the shares, this is property (on the balance sheet) of 75 million.

                  and sho?!? and what the hell difference does it have in his pocket? he EARNED them! and again, WHEN you (you) will realize that universal leveling is a complete stagnation!
                2. NordUral
                  NordUral 17 January 2018 09: 27 New
                  +1
                  I think that almost everything in our country, with a life like that at his state farm (CJSC), would not have counted the money in his pocket.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 17 January 2018 09: 53 New
                    +4
                    Quote: NordUral
                    almost everything in our country, with such a life as his state farm (CJSC)

                    Right This is how lure works.
                    They showed you a beautiful showcase. The same as the Baltic states at one time, approximately.
                    I don’t care that this "window" for the whole country ... can’t be stretched, elementary dough isn’t enough for that. You have already tried it on yourself, like - in, choose (candidate G.) and - paned we will live like people ...
                    Schazz wassat
                    Do not remember the joke about hell? "Do not confuse tourism with immigration", yeah yes
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 17 January 2018 22: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      I don’t care that this "window" for the whole country ... does not stretch, elementary dough is not enough

                      Nothing to you, Golovan .. about 7.5 lard greens do not remember? Or will you still maintain Lemin !!! by looking at Cast Iron?
                      Who said that you need to "stretch the loot" throughout the country? Do you even know the principles of work of "national enterprises"? Take the collective farm yourself under your responsibility - AND PUNCH! And in .. eleven years you will also live well - that’s what we are talking about. And it’s not about “all at once” - it doesn’t. Only with the indicated organization of ownership there is something to butt off: people see the future! ..
                      However, to whom I am telling this: the "well-fed Muscovite" of the hungry provincials will understand only when Moscow closes all financial streams.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 17 January 2018 23: 11 New
                        +4
                        Whoa ... less pathos and text ...
                        Quote: avia1991
                        about 7.5 lard greens no longer remember?

                        Why should I "remember"?
                        "Addition" from candidate G. on the spot, on the CEC website.
                        It clearly indicates the same amount ...
                        True, not bucks, but rubles ... so you just thought up the bucks yourself, not me ...
                        Tie a lie, right? negative
                        Quote: avia1991
                        Do you even know the principles of work of "national enterprises"?

                        CJSC them. Lenin - a national enterprise?
                        I’m surprised, to be honest ... who are the shareholders there? And how many hired are there?
                        Time again?
                        Quote: avia1991
                        "full Muscovite" hungry provincials will understand only when ...

                        Don’t put pressure on pity, not worth it.
                        You can be hungry in Moscow, and "live in the provinces" with dignity.
                        Do not drown - do not rush. It has long been said, but still true yes
                      2. Victor Demchenko
                        Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 01 New
                        0
                        However, to whom I am telling this: the "well-fed Muscovite" of the hungry provincials will understand only when Moscow closes all financial streams.
                        oh not soon it will be!
        2. Alber
          Alber 26 December 2017 14: 17 New
          10
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: Chertt
          There was a nasty, sticky impression.

          It seems when ebn also on the site was the representative of the candidate in local elections. When he began to ask questions about the same signatures at different addresses, the cop immediately approached the captain very nervously began to mate. I’ll go to the polls, every mature responsible citizen is obliged to go to the polls, this is a civic duty, like serving in the armed forces.

          This Grudinen is similar to the Jewish Moses, who promises to his "God-chosen" everyone 2800 slaves for what they will believe him when he returns to this world
        3. Vvol
          Vvol 29 December 2017 14: 25 New
          +1
          "Every mature responsible citizen is obliged to go to the polls, it is a civic duty, like serving in the armed forces." - Alas, dear Balu, but then it is worth returning the column "against all"! For if a particular citizen does not understand, for whom in general one could vote from the list presented at the current elections - then what can you do ?! Accuse citizens of "unconsciousness" or "immaturity"? Insist on voting "for the only true candidate"? So much for democracy ...
          And then, I note - to myself personally: during the last elections of 2011-2012. I had such a non-conflict attitude that then I would not be lured to the site and the column "against all" fellow : none of the parties and none of the candidates I could not until the end to trust (and all sorts of arguments in the spirit of "if you don’t vote - your voice will be stolen" were not outweighed), but also to "send" them all at once (!!! belay laughing ) it would be somehow not “polite” (well, as well as spoiling the ballot - “why should I be so offended with them? !!”) lol ! And all the excitement and indignation of that time passed by me, I did not let him in; I didn’t understand why I immediately became a “non-political person!” when I said that I wouldn’t go to the polls (in fact, even then I was not indifferent to what was happening in the country and what would happen to it next). Though, especially for me, think up the column "but I don’t know which of the representatives to vote for?" laughing , a kind of "boycott of the elections with the appearance at them" lol ! .. Well, now that I can do what and "ripened", then I'm sorry - those for whom I would really I would give my vote - even for not completely satisfying my "ideas about the beautiful" - and would call for this and others: these are exactly those for the elections will not allow for no reason, and we won’t hear their agitation! (Do not confuse with Navalny, do not insult me! crying - Moreover, his campaign is climbing out of all the cracks laughing ) And just to vote for someone from the protest against someone else - that's dismiss. So here we are with the "civic duty"! recourse
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 2 January 2018 21: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Vvol
            And just to vote for someone from the protest against someone else - that's dismiss. So here we are with the "civic duty"!

            Do you want both in Moldova or in Ukraine? This is an ostrich pose, oh leave, I do not want to see anyone. Everyone wants a change for the better, but few people are trying to change anything at least in their area of ​​responsibility.
      2. midivan
        midivan 26 December 2017 11: 34 New
        24
        Quote: Chertt
        He participated in the elections once in 96g. There was a nasty, sticky impression.

        This is pranks, I’ve participated when choosing the GDP for the first time, well, I voted for it, and after they got together at the collective farm’s garage they discussed (the driver was before leaving for work), well, I’ll blurt out, they say for Putin, and Zyugan is talking about your country. ..l, so do not give me a bit of a whole garage --- whether laughing Then almost the entire region beyond the Communist Party was.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 26 December 2017 20: 48 New
        12
        A sticky and disgusting impression, in my opinion, is because about a quarter (or even less) of the total number having the right to vote (not the right to vote, but deliberately choose) go to the polls. Itself did not vote at all since Soviet times, my last vote was in the preservation of the Union (although I welcomed the changes, there was). For the first time in Russia, he voted in the last Duma elections for the Communist Party. The impression was vile, the people did not go to vote and edros stole his votes. He spent almost an hour in the polling station, voted before closing, about two hours before the end of the vote. The sheets of the journal where he signed were 80-85 percent without signatures. I am from Petersburg.
        So the conclusion was clear when the percentage of voters voted. We must go to the polls and vote, then we will force the government to either work for the country, or expel the unfit from the government.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 26 December 2017 21: 49 New
          +6
          No and no again. Although the whole country will come and vote, all who have the right to vote, to a single person. And they will vote, it is unlikely that an oligarchic lawlessness-the president has already been appointed. Look at all socio-political programs, such as Solovyov, Meeting place, etc. All in one voice and categorically, and very respected people. And the Maassons, because of the puddle, also gloriously promote the GDP.
          And most importantly, the issue of elections, it is a question of course, social structure. If Grudinin is ready to go to the end, in the execution of his election program, then this is an aggravation of the class struggle to the highest intensity. revolutionary situation. Moreover, from above, as in February 1917. I think he is not ready for this, in fact, Zyuganov No. 2. Yes, and the gadgets of the huckster have not yet been pulled to the maximum, they are twisted until the bowels of the hill are pumped over. The people have not come to a full realization.
          1. allaykbar
            allaykbar 28 December 2017 11: 56 New
            +7
            Fine! Ex Ambassador approves

            1. badens1111
              badens1111 28 December 2017 12: 50 New
              +4
              Quote: allaykbar
              Ex Ambassador approves

              The team passed? On all resources like you sculpt this balcony.
              Since the ENEMY does this, then Grudinin and those who put him forward are doing everything right.
              1. allaykbar
                allaykbar 28 December 2017 14: 07 New
                +4
                The team passed? On all resources like you sculpt this balcony.


                not at all, mcfol is only in the tweeter. or is it facebook. I'm not strong on social networks. But the occasion was given. For the appearance of this "nonsense"

                Are you worried that your candidate’s billionaire has begun to bring down the networks Do not worry, he has a colossal resource. Advertising will be provided, beautiful videos and conferences with the right slogans

                But do not even hope in case of victory to become close to the cooperative "Savkhoz". Well, as with the cooperative "Lake" you did not find contact

                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 28 December 2017 15: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: allaykbar
                  not at all, mcfol is only in the tweeter. or is it facebook. I'm not strong on social networks. But the occasion was given. For the appearance of this "nonsense"

                  Do not make excuses.
                  Obviously, the team passed, and you are pouring all sorts of nonsense.
                  Quote: allaykbar
                  Are you worried that your candidate’s billionaire has begun to bring down the networks

                  Is your candidate bulk or fat? Both are not needed for free by the country.
                  1. allaykbar
                    allaykbar 28 December 2017 15: 12 New
                    +6
                    My candidate KGB / FSB officer is Putin V.V. I generally love the office.

                    Obviously, the team passed, and you are pouring all sorts of nonsense.


                    Commands were given to me when I wore epaulettes. Alas, this glorious time has passed

                    Do not make excuses.


                    not about me at all. I mean, I already have seen enough billionaires as candidates.

                    And their stories about sweet life have already been heard. Show you Khodorkovsky’s election videos? So you look - the cutest person. And even the right ideas can be found. Yes, and I think their closest ones will also tell about Hodor - what a nice person he is. I think you can even find a thousand. The same Shevchuk and other stars.

                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 30 December 2017 18: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: allaykbar
                      My candidate KGB / FSB officer is Putin V.V.

                      So, well. And what will you scream in 2024?
                      How is it that we are at the expense of a change of power peacefully, honestly and without any bloodshed? Do you even think that you are bearing?
                      I will laugh very much if such an incident happens that Grudinin becomes Putin’s prime minister, then what will you yell?
                      Quote: allaykbar
                      Show you Khodorkovsky’s election videos? So you look - the cutest person. And even the right ideas can be found. Yes, and I think their closest ones will also tell about Hodor - what a nice person he is.

                      And you remind the EP Manifesto? A lot is promised, but the realities are completely different.
                      So that Khodor, that the dog with the bulk, it's all yours, just a break in the pattern happened, we thought we could get around clowns in politics, but that didn’t work out.
                      In general, as always, honestly, even according to our own laws, you don’t know how to conduct a clean fight, you use falshaki, lies, dirt, unlike political opponents.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 27 December 2017 09: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          For the first time in Russia, he voted in the last Duma elections for the Communist Party. The impression was vile ...
          So the conclusion was clear when the percentage of voters voted. We must go to the polls and vote, then we will force the government to either work for the country, or expel the unfit from the government.

          It’s worse with me! even - “worse” by an order of magnitude ... I am a provincial; and it happened in the late 90s - early 2000s to visit the election commissions ... Since then I haven’t been drinking beer (well, I haven’t drunk it before ...) and I don’t believe in elections!
      4. ava09
        ava09 30 December 2017 07: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        He participated in the elections once in 96g. There was a nasty, sticky impression.

        Do not hesitate, nothing has changed. So far, in the "elections", on the one hand, the "electorate" (90% are politically incapable), on the other hand, "projects" like Grudinin, everything remains in its place. It’s just unpleasant, not stupid ones like Skomorokhov and Staver, talk about the “candidate” in this vein: (c) we already have an example in history when the collective farm chairman turned out to be not the worst head of state (s) "strong peasant" champion of the interests of the people. One question: “If the power of those in the wild causes hatred of Lenin and everything connected with him, which prevents him from quietly crushing an economic bug like Grudinin, which clearly protrudes from his dissimilarity to modern business:“ State Farm named after Lenin "? Who, without connections in the highest" offices ", could promote without frank demarches, one of the most unstable businesses in the country, and even so" successfully "?
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 07 New
          0
          There are more than 100 enterprises such as the "Lenin state farm" in the Russian Federation, and nothing works, and even imagine how good they are!
    2. populist
      populist 26 December 2017 06: 53 New
      64
      Baloo
      ... weak for the president.

      The presidential candidate is real! good The article is well written. I'll give it to everyone I can.
      1. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 26 December 2017 07: 25 New
        32
        For a candidate from a non-liberal elite, the article is quite good. Because the liberal press itself coaches the dirt. This has been so for centuries. So they crucified Christ, but here it’s just a man.
        1. domokl
          domokl 26 December 2017 09: 25 New
          28
          Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin? The country has died out? Dumb? Today, 8 people have registered them. And who could be something out there? Filly Against Everyone? Huh ...
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 26 December 2017 09: 57 New
            10
            Quote: domokl
            Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin?

            Why do you need it? I don’t understand, is it all democrats? Do you need a choice? There is no national leader in this, there’s no doubt about it! There’s no alternative for that, because the backgroundGDP look so let's say not like yes
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 26 December 2017 10: 42 New
              47
              You Vlad Today, 09: 57 ↑ New
              Why do you need it? I don’t understand, is it all democrats? Do you need a choice? There is no national leader in this, there’s no doubt about it! There’s no alternative for that because everyone looks like well against the background of the GVP
              I agree, none of the candidates for the national leader is pulling. But it would not hurt the national leader to become truly NATIONAL at the last term, and not give out medals and bonuses to any trash like Alekseeva. And then, as in the light of recent events, more and more I want to spit.
              Yes, on the world stage we showed ourselves and showed not very badly. It is not for nothing that the entire collective West squeals like an undercut piglet. But inside the country ... ***** a white fluffy animal, and a complete one. Rampant liberalism and all bohemian scum. It is time and a very long time to turn from a "liberal Putin" into a "dictator of Putin." Tired of this liberal coven and the lawlessness inside the country nowhere else to go. We should not be afraid of external aggression, we will cope with it, we must be afraid of internal enemies, first and foremost bureaucrats of all ranks, well, do not forget about the fifth column.
              Dear presidential candidate Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, start to restore order in the country with a hard hand! And I’m afraid the country will not reach the presidential election of your successor.
              1. atos_kin
                atos_kin 26 December 2017 11: 16 New
                23
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                on the world stage we showed ourselves and showed very not bad.

                Especially in the Olympic field, and there are not so many sanctions.
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 26 December 2017 11: 55 New
                  44
                  atos_kin Today, 11:16 ↑
                  Especially in the Olympic field, and there are not so many sanctions.
                  Firstly, I don’t give a damn about sanctions. The more there are, the better.
                  Secondly, I don’t give a damn about the Olympics and the “athletes from Russia” who went there. For me personally, the Olympic movement has died a long time ago, from the moment when the Americans themselves issued a second set of gold medals.
                  Thirdly, we have shown ourselves in Syria and in the Crimea.
                  Fourthly, in France, what matters to us?
                  1. atos_kin
                    atos_kin 26 December 2017 13: 54 New
                    16
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    you then in France, what matters to our affairs?

                    It’s just a pity to watch the lying democrats drive the slaves of the oligarchs into the country of the most advanced country in the world for working people.
                    1. Baloo
                      Baloo 26 December 2017 17: 14 New
                      +7
                      Quote: atos_kin
                      It’s just a pity to watch the lying democrats drive the slaves of the oligarchs into the country of the most advanced country in the world for working people.

                      how pitiful, we, too, shed tears about the tender and sophisticated French women raped by Islamic refugees. What is going on, where does this grandmother's husband look, but not Grandfather Mikron !? You can’t do that, eh ... I really wanted to go to Paris ... crying now I won’t go, there is violence and lawlessness all around. belay
              2. Boris25
                Boris25 26 December 2017 12: 31 New
                55
                Putin WILL NOT restore order !! BEFORE THIS I DIDN'T DO WHY IT WILL BE DOING IT NOW !!!!!!!!!! ??????????????
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 26 December 2017 13: 22 New
                  30
                  Quote: Boris 25
                  Putin WILL NOT restore order !! BEFORE THIS I DIDN'T DO WHY IT WILL BE DOING IT NOW !!!!!!!!!! ??????????????

                  Your golden words !!!!
                  I support !!! ++++++++
                2. Ragoz
                  Ragoz 26 December 2017 21: 13 New
                  17
                  Bornis25:
                  Putin’s order is the complete and unconditional support of the power of the oligarchs.
                  1. kig
                    kig 27 December 2017 05: 44 New
                    +3
                    Perhaps (and most likely), the GDP, by an old habit, draws closer to itself and puts in ministers those who can be easily controlled. That is, those who are compromising. When the need for such a person disappears, or a problem forms around him, they compromise him and the problem goes away. Together with a person. Everything is as in the textbook.
                  2. Baloo
                    Baloo 2 January 2018 21: 08 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ragoz
                    Bornis25:
                    Putin’s order is the complete and unconditional support of the power of the oligarchs.


                    There is another point of view:
                    Krabik December 26, 2017 23:37 ↑
                    Putin did not climb and does not go into someone else's business, maintains a balance of power, if some kind of oligarch decided to go too far, like Khodorok, then he punishes.
                    This is normal and wise.


                    I see that GDP attracts oligarchs to large projects, and they do not steer them.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 2 January 2018 21: 35 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Balu
                      I see that GDP attracts oligarchs to large projects, and they do not steer them.

                      I can’t pretend to say that this data is somehow correct, it is impossible to exclude the vote of bots, as for one taki for another, but look at the tiny amount for the so-called candidates that you decided to act as rivals
                      Grigory Yavlinsky (293) 0.83%

                      Vladimir Zhirinovsky (1292) 3.68%

                      Alexey Navalny (2906) 8.27%

                      Maxim Suraykin (79) 0.22%

                      Sergey Polonsky (112) 0.32%

                      Alina Vitukhovskaya (60) 0.17%

                      Vyacheslav Maltsev (108) 0.31%

                      Vladimir Putin (10456) 29.77%

                      Elvira Agurbash U178 0.51%

                      Irina Volynets (74) 0.21%

                      Boris Yakemenko (38) 0.11%

                      Pavel Grudinin (17429) 49.62%

                      Mikhailov Vladimir (1092) 3.11%

                      Ksenia Sobchak (1062) 3.02%

                      Total Voters: 35
                      http://president-rf.ru/page/rejting-kandidatov
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                3. Krabik
                  Krabik 26 December 2017 23: 37 New
                  +2
                  Putin did not climb and does not go into someone else's business, maintains a balance of power, if some kind of oligarch decided to go too far, like Khodorok, then he punishes.

                  This is normal and wise.
                  1. dvvv
                    dvvv 27 December 2017 10: 28 New
                    +6
                    I agree! Behaves like a good beholder or thief in law
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 27 December 2017 22: 39 New
                      0
                      Or like a wise ruler does not crawl between the "hammer and the anvil", where he just slammed like a flea ...
                4. Freeman
                  Freeman 27 December 2017 02: 33 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Boris 25
                  Putin WILL NOT restore order !! BEFORE THIS I DIDN'T DO WHY IT WILL BE DOING IT NOW !!!!!!!!!! ??????????????

                  yes It will be. Only in his own way. And the "gadgets" twist.
                  And in VO soon we will not communicate under "nicknames", but according to passport data.
                  And buying goods in Chinese online stores (trying to save) - we will pay the fee, as for the import of "foreign cars".
                  And vodka will be 37,5% (* at the suggestion of senators Sergey Ryabukhin, Evgeny Bushmin and Vitaliy Shub).
                  Well, about the traditional price increase
              3. AA17
                AA17 26 December 2017 13: 32 New
                36
                Dear Varyag_0711. "... Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich, begin to restore order in the country with a hard hand! ..." - Your phrase. Putin V.V. is already putting things in order in the country - you are simply not yet in the know.
                "... The head of state advocated extending the amnesty of capital, and also proposed exempting business representatives returning their companies and capital to Russia from paying a 13% tax." ... We talked about the need to improve the regulatory framework for so-called CFCs - these are controlled foreign companies, that is, those companies that actually belong to our citizens, our citizens there are the ultimate beneficiaries. We were talking about it. But I have two more suggestions that I have not yet publicly talked about. The first is to extend the term of the amnesty of capital, bearing in mind those external restrictions that do not become less, but, on the contrary, it seems that they tend to increase.
                And the second proposal, which is to free business representatives who close this business abroad and transfer it to the Russian Federation, from paying 13% tax. On the whole, this can be an additional incentive, firstly, facilitating, and secondly, an incentive for the transfer of capital to Russia. We will continue to work in this direction. Thank you again for your joint work. "More: ttp: //www.vestifinance.ru/articles/95685
                P.S. The liberation of capital withdrawn from Russia in a dubious way from the payment of a 13% tax is a merit of Vladimir Putin. So the order in the country is being restored. These 13% of the tax will be paid by a small business that did not withdraw money to offshore companies and Russian citizens.
                1. AA17
                  AA17 26 December 2017 15: 44 New
                  18
                  P.P.S. In order not to be unfounded, regarding the fact that THIS tax will be paid by the people, I give evidence.
                  "... The government considers it necessary to increase the tax burden on consumers in order to accelerate economic growth. This was announced at the congress of the United Russia party by the head of the Ministry of Economic Development Maxim Oreshkin. According to him, the new tax regime, the introduction of which is being discussed after the presidential election in 2018, should include the redistribution of the tax burden from business to population. "The shift in the tax burden from investment activity to consumer activity is the structural change that will contribute to economic growth," said Oreshkin ... "
              4. E_V_N
                E_V_N 26 December 2017 14: 09 New
                25
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Yes, on the world stage we showed ourselves and showed not very badly. It is not for nothing that the entire collective West squeals like an undercut piglet.

                And what exactly is this extraordinary shown? Syria, so there are "our partners" and Izrail, and the Turks grabbed pieces of Syria. And what do we have after the “victory” parade? Has Assad Remained in Power? Not a fact yet. Syria retained territorial integrity? Not saved. Destroyed all ISIS militants? No, too, many quietly seeped through the territory of "our partners"
                Crimea? Yes, Crimea became part of Russia, but Sberbank, VTB, Aeroflot do not work in Crimea, that is, state corporations of Crimea do not consider Russia, since they are afraid of sanctions, and the guarantor "understands" them?
                I’m not talking about sanctions, I don’t care about them either))
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                2. shark20
                  shark20 26 December 2017 19: 36 New
                  +3
                  Well, what are you writing nonsense, by golly? From Aeroflot, A-330-300 and A321 fly to Simferopol. In the summer at 14:30 there were flights there. From there (from the Crimea) Aeroflot's three hundred and thirty arrived at 6:00. In Serebryany Bor, he tracked by flytradar ... In the mornings, the plane passed along the MKAD ...
                  1. shark20
                    shark20 26 December 2017 19: 39 New
                    +1
                    I continue ... FROM AK "Russia" B-747-400 and B-737-800, if interested ...
              5. 108- guards pdp
                108- guards pdp 26 December 2017 15: 40 New
                0
                I support the dictum of all-100!
              6. freddyk
                freddyk 26 December 2017 16: 03 New
                11
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                It is time and a very long time to turn from a "liberal Putin" into a "dictator of Putin."

                I wonder how you think a liberal can become a dictator. This is not a sex change operation for you. As for Putin, for someone he is a liberal (for his own), and for someone a very dictator. Cronyism in our politics goes through the roof.
                1. Mikhail Filippov
                  Mikhail Filippov 27 December 2017 09: 25 New
                  +2
                  And how did the communists become democrats? Have you changed your gender?
                  1. Freeman
                    Freeman 27 December 2017 13: 58 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Mikhail Filippov
                    And how did the communists become democrats? Have you changed your gender?

                    They did not become democrats, but evolved from the "Bolsheviks" to the "Mensheviks."
              7. freddyk
                freddyk 26 December 2017 16: 44 New
                +8
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Yes, on the world stage we showed ourselves and showed not very bad


                Of course you mean Syria. But with Ukraine, a complete failure. But Ukraine is much more important for the people, it is a brotherly people, many people there are just native people. And what about Syria, fighting for the interests of oil bosses. The only plus is the equipment was run in, but the experience gained
                1. your1970
                  your1970 26 December 2017 19: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: freddyk
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  Yes, on the world stage we showed ourselves and showed not very bad


                  Of course you mean Syria. But with Ukraine, a complete failure. But Ukraine is much more important for the people, it is a brotherly people, many people there are just native people. And what about Syria, fighting for the interests of oil bosses. The only plus is the equipment was run in, but the experience gained
                  -Do you propose to fight for Ukraine? the pros of the war there, remind you of the pros of the war in Syria described in detail ...
                  1. freddyk
                    freddyk 26 December 2017 19: 29 New
                    +8
                    Quote: your1970
                    -Do you propose to fight for Ukraine?


                    I do not propose to fight, especially for Ukraine. It seems I made myself clear, Ukraine is a failure in foreign policy. War could and should have been avoided. How? That's Putin and the president.
                    1. Mikhail Filippov
                      Mikhail Filippov 27 December 2017 09: 28 New
                      0
                      Well, in relation to Ukraine, the "Koch plan" acted. Yes, that same “liberal” and even “oppositionist” Alfred Koch clearly voiced Russia's goals - when there was a conflict on Tuzla. He clearly stated that Russia's interests extend to the South-East from Kharkov to Odessa. Only he proposed not to fight, but to buy Ukrainian assets, which until the 14th year they did
                    2. CONTROL
                      CONTROL 27 December 2017 10: 01 New
                      +4
                      Quote: freddyk
                      , Ukraine - a failure in foreign policy.

                      Since when did she become "external"?
                      Even after 3 years from the fascist coup - it remains a very "internal"!
                      1. freddyk
                        freddyk 28 December 2017 18: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: CONTROL
                        Since when did she become "external"? Even after 3 years from the fascist coup - it remains a very "internal"!


                        And you do not remember when? Since 1991 Crimea is already an internal policy, maybe Ukraine, whenever it happens.
              8. Wayfarer
                Wayfarer 26 December 2017 20: 00 New
                +6
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Dear presidential candidate Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, start to restore order in the country with a hard hand!
                Are you our patient, GDP of 17 years in power, are not tired of waiting? Go and vote for Grudinin and we will all be happy.
                1. CONTROL
                  CONTROL 27 December 2017 10: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Traveler
                  Go and vote for Grudinin and we will all be happy.

                  How are women there - in the sense of a wife! - in thought “to divorce this goat or take pity on children” - they say: “Happiness to change happiness - only time to lose!”
                  ... or is it not about "happiness"?
              9. kotvov
                kotvov 27 December 2017 14: 02 New
                +1
                Dear presidential candidate Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, start to clean up the country with a hard hand!
                are you so naive? haven’t you really understood yet, Putin’s goal of growing, grooming the oligarchs. Well, and certainly bureaucrats devoted to him.
            2. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 37 New
              +9
              Ok, what will happen after the GDP? The redistribution of power and property? Bickering? Palace coups? Of course you say they say he will appoint a successor. But where are the guarantees that all those who obey the GDP will obey his successor?
            3. invisibility
              invisibility 26 December 2017 13: 50 New
              22
              Quote: you Vlad
              There is a national leader, there is no doubt about that!

              And the leader, which, excuse me, country? Is it not the one whose flag the patriotic athletes will perform?
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              2. Plead
                Plead 26 December 2017 16: 06 New
                +1
                The invisible clever man, there’s not enough more mind to just whimper! Yes?
            4. Svetlana
              Svetlana 26 December 2017 14: 10 New
              26
              Quote: you Vlad
              Quote: domokl
              Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin?

              Why do you need it? I don’t understand, is it all democrats? Do you need a choice? There is no national leader in this, there’s no doubt about it! There’s no alternative for that, because the backgroundGDP look so let's say not like yes

              Against the background of Sobchak, Putin looks amazing. And Grudinin against Putin looks like the only uncontested and long-awaited candidate.
              1. north
                north 26 December 2017 20: 02 New
                +6
                G. Looks maybe normal, combed. But here his affairs for the good of the motherland, in doubt.
            5. psel
              psel 26 December 2017 15: 19 New
              +6
              So where did they find the national-patriotic forces? I see only national forces. Agree that it is strange to hear the following words --And we can! We Russians didn’t raise the country after this, are we worse than our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? - from the lips of a Jew Grudinin. Compare the photo of Grudinin, Gozman and Rodchenko! As they say, find five differences
              1. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 05: 27 New
                0
                Quote: psel
                -And we can! We, Russians, didn’t raise the country after this, are we worse than our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? a Jew Grudinin

                but for this it is possible in the face! I have nothing against the Jews, mostly smart people, and they, unlike us, are not left to their own devices! BUT! from which hangover Grudinin did you join them? he, unlike you, is a native Russian!
            6. Wayfarer
              Wayfarer 26 December 2017 19: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: you Vlad
              Therefore, there is no alternative, because everyone against the background of the GVP looks well, so to speak, not like yes
              Duck you forgot to take off your pink glasses. The country is heading for disaster, and you are all talking about everything: everything is fine, a beautiful marquise. American specialists write laws of the Russian Federation, billions go abroad, the manufacturing sector is not subsidized, industrial production is falling, the Russian people are impoverished and are dying.

              There are enough sensible patriots in Russia. Only one type of Rogozin will appear, his head, don’t stick your head out. They are not allowed to enter the central channels of principle at all, such as Strelkov, they will not filter speech, they will tell the whole truth-womb.

              Another thing is Grudinin, he is a representative of the Duma party, you just can’t push him like that, you have to reckon. And Grudinin himself filters speech, very diplomatic. But he could raise the question of how the choice of Yeltsin's successor in the 90s was made, what forces put forward the GDP, for what reasons, and so on.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 27 December 2017 11: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Traveler
                But he could raise the question of how the choice of Yeltsin's successor in the 90s was made, what forces put forward the GDP, for what reasons, and so on.
                It is better to raise these issues after the election if they win the election.
            7. Cossack 471
              Cossack 471 27 December 2017 22: 35 New
              +1
              Our leader pursues an economic policy against the people. How to make him work in the interests of the people? Come and vote. And about that. that Grudinin will not pull the post of president. how did actor Reagan perform it? Yes, and today's Putin vaguely resembles Putin in 2000. Remember him during the tragedy with the Kursk nuclear submarine
            8. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b 28 December 2017 08: 36 New
              +1
              You Vlad This leader is a liar and PR! And this is fraught with very serious harmful consequences.
          2. corporal
            corporal 26 December 2017 11: 06 New
            35
            Quote: domokl
            The country has died out? Dumb?

            11 normal players from all over the country can’t score, and you are talking about the future president ... wassat
            ==========================
            I will give a vote for Grudinin.
            1. sotnik53
              sotnik53 26 December 2017 13: 56 New
              14
              Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Well said! I am also for Grudinin.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 December 2017 14: 32 New
              19
              Quote: Corporal
              I will give a vote for Grudinin

              And I will go the same way, and likewise for Grudinin. And who "rinses" him here - read his biography and follow his career. hi
              1. SPQR1977
                SPQR1977 26 December 2017 16: 11 New
                19
                Honestly, I am shocked by what I watched !!! I am for him. GDP is a good man, but the feeling that his hands are tied ... speaks and does not). My vote for Grudinin !!!
                1. AndreyS
                  AndreyS 27 December 2017 23: 05 New
                  +2
                  Quote: SPQR1977
                  GDP is a good man, but the feeling that his hands are tied ... speaks and does not). My vote for Grudinin !!!

                  After reading this comment, I had a question for all respected members of the forum - Do you dear think that Grudinin will be given something to do ?! The same people who are: oligarchs, corrupt officials, etc.
                  Take off your pink glasses !!!! Everyone sincerely believes that the good king will come and immediately the boyars will stop taking bribes, stealing, etc. Holy innocence ... Or, right away, they will let us carry out reforms so that the new president could pour money out to the people ?!
                  As soon as Grudinin begins to press the oligarchy (seriously to the fullest), they bang him, and at the same time quickly and noisily, dumping everything on the broads.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 28 December 2017 07: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: AndreyS
                    bang him

                    This is possible. request
                  2. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 28 December 2017 08: 56 New
                    +5
                    Therefore, quickly and noisily it is necessary to bang the key individuals of the Russian oligarchy, so that this does not happen.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 28 December 2017 09: 06 New
                      +4
                      Preferably immediately after winning the election. To officially return the death penalty, and to bang exponentially. They managed to finish off the country with ice axes. Well, or soap (slipped in the shower) good
                      1. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 28 December 2017 09: 44 New
                        +1
                        I affirm. However, before soap or an ice pick, treat the carcass on the rack with a perforator drill and blowtorch fire to find out the account numbers in banks where money stolen from the people is stored.
                  3. Victor Demchenko
                    Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 05: 34 New
                    0
                    nothing lasts forever under the moon .... but as for the “bang”, well, again, the oligarchs can be “bogged down", something like that! and this scum will be soooooooooo nice!
              2. gaura
                gaura 27 December 2017 10: 10 New
                +5
                Potapenko ached that his business in Europe was being pinched. He says plainly about this, "how could one have a fight with Europe." Let's get Potapenko to the presidency. what really! "Who is the extreme king, there is nobody? Then I will be the first!"
                Gorbachev was slipped to you, as the country's rescuers from the clawed nomenclature, ate. They slipped Yeltsin, as a deliverer from the CPSU, in order to develop and enrich the market from scratch, also chewed. Then Putin instead of the Family clan, who plundered the country and organized a massacre in Chechnya. But he even stopped the war, but also am-am. Now Grudinin comes, I put things in order. It will save the country from the oligarchs. Tell me, have his Communists been actively promoting this for a year? Yes, in general, hell knows who shoves it. But again, the people are ready to rush at least for the bald one if only against Putin. Grudinin had done nothing with his finger, he had only spoken beautiful words, and now a new icon of the Savior of Russia. Bulk before him promised, probably, and Lech would be a good candidate?
                1. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 05: 36 New
                  0
                  go to the state farm and see what he did!
                  1. gaura
                    gaura 3 January 2018 17: 18 New
                    +1
                    Unconvincing. I saw what Tuleyev did for the region. Why has he never been promoted? The region is a higher achievement than the state farm, which, of course, the diligent Grudinin pulled out
            3. psel
              psel 26 December 2017 15: 24 New
              +5
              Why offend Yavlinsky? Ryhoriy is also a Jew and fights for the happiness of Russia much longer! But Gozman and Rodchenkov are doubles of Klubnichkin! And the party will now be called Strawberry PRF
          3. andj61
            andj61 26 December 2017 13: 27 New
            +9
            Quote: domokl
            Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin? The country has died out? Dumb? Today, 8 people have registered them. And who could be something out there? Filly Against Everyone? Huh ...

            You can name an alternative candidate to Putin - only they do not participate in the elections, although the people could vote for them. These are Lavrov and Shoigu. Grudinin is an excellent candidate, but he has very few chances to defeat Putin in a fair fight: he is completely unknown to the people. so his chances are in the next election cycle. If he shows himself in the best possible way, naturally.
            More recently - not a month has passed - comrades have already called him as a possible alternative to Putin in the article "Comments on the Orders to the Next President of Russia" .https: //topwar.ru/130625-commentarii-kn
            akazam-sleduyuschemu-prezidentu-rossii.html # comme
            nt-id-7611915
            Stirbjorn November 29, 2017 15:12 ↑
            Quote: andj61
            Do you have SPECIFIC candidates who would be better than Putin?
            Boldyrev, Grudinin

            Bull's-eye! good hi
            1. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 38 New
              +4
              Prokhorov was known to the people, if only by his adventures in Courchevel. However, in Moscow and Peter, he was ahead of Putin
              1. psel
                psel 26 December 2017 15: 37 New
                +2
                So where did you find the national-patriotic forces? I see only national forces. Agree that it is strange to hear the following words --And we can! We Russians didn’t raise the country after this, are we worse than our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? - from the lips of a Jew Grudinin. Compare the photo of Grudinin, Gozman and Rodchenko! As they say, find five differences
                1. andj61
                  andj61 26 December 2017 17: 40 New
                  +8
                  Quote: psel
                  We Russians didn’t raise the country after this, are we worse than our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? - from the lips of a Jew Grudinin.

                  Grudinin’s grandfather on the mother’s side was a Jew. Even under Jewish law, neither his mother is Jewish, nor himself. Apart from the Russians, those who did not have a Russian grandfather, the number of Russians will decrease by half, if not more.
                  So he is Russian - do not even hesitate!
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 28 December 2017 12: 56 New
                    +2
                    Dear fighters for the purity of the race. Fighters for the purity of Russian blood from the Jewish gene pool.
                    The candidacy of Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin was agreed with the RUSSIAN nationalists.
                    Russian nationalists and national patriots together with the Communist Party nominate P. Grudinin to the post of President of the Russian Federation.
                    So calm your peripheral and central nervous systems and don’t dust on the forums.
                    Separate remark for the Judeo-Orthodox. Christ also had part of the Jewish blood. And he opposed the teachings of the Jewish Jehovah, for which he paid with his life.
                    1. Vvol
                      Vvol 29 December 2017 15: 11 New
                      +1
                      Dear, how do you then explain the words of Christ that “I did not come to break the law, but to fulfill” (from memory). The law, of course, is Jewish, the Mosaic Law, that is, no matter what, is the "teaching" of the "Jewish Jehovah Himself." Or His own words: “I and the Father are one” (after this phrase, the Jews who were arguing with Him immediately took up the stones). What kind of Father is this, to which Jesus is constantly referring, incl. to the fact that His Father also sent to earth? Some other “god”, “real good god”, not like this false impostor of the sinister “Jewish Jehovah”? Well, yes, I’ve already heard of such views ... And the fact that the "poor" Jesus himself is no "innocent sufferer", but the "evil Jewish" himself, and that Christianity was specially invented so that the Jews would enslave the gentiles - and even more often ... It’s just that I somehow always perceived the Gospel story in the very sense that Christ was sent by the Father to people (remember how He “fell”, exposing the Pharisees and scribes: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem! He who beats the prophets, and stoning sent to you! How many times Я I tried to collect your children, like a bird of their chicks under the wings, and you did not want to! Behold, your house is left for you ... "? He who knows a little about biblical history knows that not only Jesus" suffered "with the Jews, and not only His immediate predecessor, John the Baptist, suffered from the king of Galilee Herod, but also many centuries before, Jews more than once turned away from the words of the prophets - the messengers of God - and persecuted them.), and didn’t deduct anything “like this” between the lines. ”That is, Christ spoke rather behind the teachings of "Jewish Jehovah," not opposed.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 29 December 2017 16: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vvol
                        That is, Christ favored the teaching of the “Jewish Jehovah,” rather than against.

                        I do not comment on the delirium of sectarians.
                    2. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 30 December 2017 05: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Separate remark for the Judeo-Orthodox. Christ also had part of the Jewish blood. And he opposed the teachings of the Jewish Jehovah, for which he paid with his life.

                      Here you are wrong. Yeshua campaigned just for the literal fulfillment of the laws of Yahweh. And he was destroyed during a special operation of the Zealot sect, after being rescued from a Roman prison dedicated to the middle level of Varrava.
                      Then the Zealot Shimon (Peter), using some ideas of Yeshua, created an adapted version of Judaism for the goyim.
                2. kotvov
                  kotvov 27 December 2017 14: 07 New
                  +1
                  Compare the photo of Grudinin, Gozman and Rodchenko! ,,
                  Well, put it out and compare what Grudini did and what your gozmans are with the relatives.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 29 December 2017 16: 28 New
                    +1
                    Oh well ... that they modestly kept silent about Putin’s good relationship with Abramovich? Or that Abramovich is a rather strange oligarch, and when he was "master of Chukotka" he built first-class schools, hospitals, airports there? It seems like something on the state farm named after Lenin, right? In light of this, it would be worth looking for connections between these three people. At the same time, think about what all this could mean.
                    Especially when you consider the old acquaintance of Zyuganov and Putin, since the days of the GDR. By the way, I recall Zyuganov’s recommendations to Putin.
                    And they are very closely connected by the personality of Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov. But Grudinin was quite closely acquainted with Primakov.
                    And Abramovich financed the Unity party, which led Putin for the first presidential term. Accidents? I don’t think so.
                    And one needs to understand this in order to understand the essence of what is happening.
                    But he made a foolish comment, hooked it on a stick and rushes about in the yard: “look what I have”. Just like a small, unreasonable child.
                  2. vsdvs
                    vsdvs 29 December 2017 21: 37 New
                    +1
                    Grudinin also calls for the abolition of our retaliatory sanctions, with the words - cancel, and then we'll see. Very far-sighted!
            2. north
              north 26 December 2017 13: 54 New
              11
              Grudinin, not very young. It’s not worth talking about rejuvenation. With the nomination from Zyuganov, the question is also interesting. The communists nominate the landowner, or rather the middle hand of the manager, he has another business besides the state farm as president. This is something. How to understand , communists, put forward by the bourgeois. The world has gone mad, or part of the world.
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              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 26 December 2017 15: 53 New
                +9
                Well, actually the Communist Party has not rejected private enterprise for a long time.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 26 December 2017 19: 23 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Well, actually the Communist Party has not rejected private enterprise for a long time.
                  -and there are members of the oligarch party (minor truths). The only question is - then what does the party have to do with communist teaching and ideology? if you want, I can confirm with quotes from the classics of Marxism-Leninism ..
                  either they are AGAINST human exploitation - a man or they are FOR (and Grudinin owns 40% of the shares of the CJSC - and the total number of shareholders is either 40 or 50).
                  Those. according to the teachings of Marx-Engels, it can be maximum - Savva Morozov, but not the main representative of the Communist Party ..
                  If his participation is permissible, then the Communist Party must be renamed the Social Democratic Party, or even the Cadets.

                  CPRF belay belay - then Voronenkova will warm up, then he will nominate a billionaire as a candidate ..
                  1. Victor Demchenko
                    Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 05: 41 New
                    0
                    sorry Zakharchenko is not a communist! in you it would be cool! soooo pebbles and ,,, will not work to throw request
              3. freddyk
                freddyk 26 December 2017 16: 12 New
                +9
                Quote: north
                The communists nominate the landowner, or rather the middle hand of the manager, he has, apart from the state farm, another business, for the presidency. This is something. It is understood, the communists are being nominated by the bourgeois.


                Grudinin is not a landowner, but a collective farm leader elected by the collective. And what would we have all of these bourgeois.
                1. north
                  north 26 December 2017 17: 59 New
                  12
                  Nobody chose him, that’s all. And he doesn’t have a presidential program either, he said yesterday. The state farm is a brand for promotion, under Soviet capitalism nothing happens, it’s an ear from a rooster, an inedible wenigret. He has a closed joint stock company. And plus family business. Do not be fooled by the temptation. In 1986 EVERYONE was led, until now we cannot disentangle.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 26 December 2017 21: 10 New
                    +8
                    Quote: north
                    Nobody chose him, fiction is all.

                    I agree, I did not choose. But he went against the trends of the 90s, and arranged a decent life in a single state farm. Have you seen kindergartens similar to state farms somewhere?
                    Or do you think it would be better if the local population drank too much, and another cottage village grew on this land?
              4. andrew42
                andrew42 28 December 2017 11: 26 New
                +1
                There is nothing new under the sun. The Bolsheviks, and even the "great Lenin," at the time of the NEP, also pushed with a bang. Nothing more, as they say. So what? - Nothing! If the New Economic Policy was needed by the new Trotskyist "red elite", who sat down in the place of the Russian nobility shot by them, then it was needed. He grabbed power, straddled the masses - twist the shafts wherever you want, and whoever blathers - there are Latvian arrows and Chinese battalions on that. As a result, the wish is this: gentlemen and comrades, look at the “form” less, ask yourself about the “content”. And in slogans at all times on the fly they changed their shoes, and it will be so forever.
              5. Baloo
                Baloo 29 December 2017 23: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: north
                Grudinin, not very young. It's not worth talking about rejuvenation.

                And this is a bad sign in terms of working capacity in the mode of irregular working hours, when everything is scheduled every minute for years to come.
          4. E_V_N
            E_V_N 26 December 2017 13: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: domokl
            Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin?

            I don’t know how alternative it is, but I would love to vote for Shoigu, quietly, without hysteria, he does the task and achieves the results.
            1. domokl
              domokl 26 December 2017 14: 12 New
              14
              Quote: E_V_N
              I would love to vote for Shoigu

              I had the same opinion. But after much deliberation, I came to the conclusion that Shoigu, like Lavrov, were necessary in their place. Very "specialized".
              Now it is important not to tighten the nuts, but to change the domestic policy. To drive the oligarchs from power by a filthy broom ...
              1. woron333444
                woron333444 26 December 2017 16: 03 New
                +5
                domokl Who will drive the oligarchs if the oligarch comes to power? There will be a simple limit of dough and property, again the 90s.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 26 December 2017 22: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: domokl
                that Shoigu, like Lavrov, are necessary in their place. Very "specialized".

                Well, I don’t know how specialized Shoigu is. The Ministry of Emergencies, the Governor of the Moscow Region, the Army, very diverse areas in his track record
            2. psel
              psel 26 December 2017 15: 41 New
              +1
              No worse than Serezha Ivanov quietly and quietly preparing transport (including pipeline) Karachun to Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states.
            3. seos
              seos 26 December 2017 15: 46 New
              +3
              Shoigu was the governor of the Moscow region .... to say that either good things cannot be said about him ...
              1. freddyk
                freddyk 26 December 2017 16: 15 New
                +4
                Quote: seos
                Shoigu was the governor of the Moscow region .... to say that either good things cannot be said about him ...

                Yes, because Shoigu is a soldier who knows his job well, namely, to carry out orders without discussion, and to execute them perfectly.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 26 December 2017 16: 53 New
                  11
                  Quote: freddyk
                  Yes, because Shoigu is a soldier who knows his job well, namely, to carry out orders without discussion, and to execute them perfectly.

                  read his biography. Do not make him an idol, he is not worth it.
                2. Sergey Cojocari
                  Sergey Cojocari 26 December 2017 16: 57 New
                  13
                  Soldier??? Did he serve urgent? Graduated from the highest military? General Staff Academy? By the way, the place of "the best minister of defense of all time" is also taken. Pasha Mercedes. if anyone forgot.
          5. Svetlana
            Svetlana 26 December 2017 14: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: domokl
            Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin? The country has died out? Dumb? Today, 8 people have registered them. And who could be something out there? Filly Against Everyone? Huh ...

            You are correctly answered this question in the article: artificial shortage. Grudinin was nominated due to Zyuganov. Apparently, patriotic forces put a good pressure on him and he did not oppose public opinion, otherwise he would have discredited himself in the end.
            1. north
              north 26 December 2017 20: 11 New
              +3
              Is it Zyuganov, patriotic forces? They have fun. This is a revenge-seeker, many-sided and vicious.
          6. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 26 December 2017 18: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: domokl
            Interestingly, can anyone name at least one alternative candidate to Putin?

            According to the mind, Putin and Grudinin should work together for the good of the country. But democracy requires sacrifice! Therefore, they will spend their strength, resources and time on butting in the elections. The crowd needs a show ...
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          7. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 09 New
            0
            Rum, hi yeah! you know, they got these screechs, they can’t oppose anything, and every guano is happy to pour, if only the dollar drops into the bill!
        2. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 26 December 2017 13: 18 New
          22
          Quote: Rey_ka
          For a candidate from a non-liberal elite, the article is quite good. Because the liberal press itself coaches the dirt. This has been so for centuries. So they crucified Christ, but here it’s just a man.


          It’s a normal presidential candidate. Whether they choose it or not is not a question. They will not choose. In our country, the vast majority of the people always vote for the current government. If at the time, Yeltsin did not appoint Putin acting president, then Vladimir Vladimirovich simply would not have a chance to go to the polls.
          But the fact that the current government has been wary is already visible. According to all the central channels of Grudinin, they call it "the millionaire Grudinin". In order to appeal to the genetic level of grandparents and instill in them hostility to the candidate.
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          2. Mestny
            Mestny 26 December 2017 15: 50 New
            +2
            But he is not a millionaire, but rather, an ordinary state employee?
            1. your1970
              your1970 26 December 2017 19: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Stock Officer
              According to all the central channels of Grudinin, they call it "the millionaire Grudinin". In order to appeal to the genetic level of grandparents and instill in them hostility to the candidate.
              - he actually NOT millionaire-he миллиардер. CJSC according to the balance of 2015 worth 7 billion, and he has 40% of the shares
              1. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 09 New
                0
                well got it! aren't you tired?
          3. Romey
            Romey 26 December 2017 17: 52 New
            +8
            Quote: Stock Officer

            It’s a normal presidential candidate. Whether they choose it or not is not a question. They will not choose. In our country, the vast majority of the people always vote for the current government.

            I agree. But the main task of P.N. Grudinin, on the eve of the most serious economic and systemic political crises, is to show the country that it has healthy political forces, standing on different ideological positions, but having a common unified view on solving problems with a common program. This is very important, as well as to refute Putin’s lie about the absence of political programs among his competitors. That there is a real alternative and this is not necessarily Bulk.


            Quote: Stock Officer

            But the fact that the current government has been wary is already visible. According to all the central channels of Grudinin, they call it "the millionaire Grudinin". In order to appeal to the genetic level of grandparents and instill in them hostility to the candidate.

            I don’t know, but apparently the presidential administration "strongly recommended" Gennady Andreich to go to the polls himself ...
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          5. north
            north 26 December 2017 20: 18 New
            0
            Not only the authorities were wary, but also sane people. The millionaire is quite suitable. If he owns 40% of the shares of SOVkhoz CJSC plus a fair business, just one land next to the Moscow Ring Road will pull this amount. no longer politics, but simply lyrics.
      2. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 00 New
        13
        Why should Grudinin choose that?
        Just because he is fresh and young and tired of the old deck?
        Like Gorbi came to power in 85, I also remember that everyone was happy ...
        Putin is better, probably ...
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 December 2017 08: 31 New
          16
          Quote: Mu Dialer
          Why should Grudinin choose that?

          It is written there in Russian, he
          plow
          knows how, well, he’s just good! It’s easy to manipulate them, to the world elite, as if to China with cancer, they will circle around a finger yes
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 39 New
            12
            Gorby was also a combiner ... It all fits together :-)
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 26 December 2017 08: 43 New
              16
              Quote: Mu Dialer
              Gorby was also a combiner ...

              So I would plow further, the country would be more whole!
              1. novel66
                novel66 26 December 2017 09: 57 New
                14
                let this one plow better
                1. Mavrikiy
                  Mavrikiy 26 December 2017 19: 23 New
                  +1
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  let this one plow better

                  Yes, he would be glad, but not learned.
                  The last diploma is a lawyer. He knows where the dough is rich.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 1 January 2018 22: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mavrikiy
                    The last diploma is a lawyer.

                    To live ... to live with wolves, howl like a wolf, and with the laws adopted at the direction of the Gaidar HSE, your Laws must be known in order to survive in your wolf world.
                    1. Mavrikiy
                      Mavrikiy 29 January 2018 18: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: badens1111
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      The last diploma is a lawyer.

                      To live ... to live with wolves, howl like a wolf, and with the laws adopted at the direction of the Gaidar HSE, your Laws must be known in order to survive in your wolf world.

                      What did you eat, heartfelt? Amanita from the basement or Victoria Grudinina tasted? Go to the air, you can circle.
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 26 December 2017 14: 18 New
              18
              Quote: Mu Dialer
              Gorby was also a combiner ... It all fits together :-)

              You say as a combiner ... well, well. I sat down at the combine a couple of times and already a combine? Gorbachev is a classic party careerist, the Komsomol party is the Secretary General.
            3. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 05: 48 New
              +1
              Oh! don’t tell my grandmother! never humpback was a combiner! in the Komsomol, the SECOND secretary of the district committee was, and then he worked with his tongue and not his hands
            4. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 11 New
              0
              Are you sure that he (humpbacked - tagged) was a combine harvester? me not!
          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 26 December 2017 09: 49 New
            15
            Quote: you Vlad
            knows how, well, he’s just good

            Ahem, that’s just good. So many good people request If you can cope with the state farm, then you can cope with the country? But here are the most important questions, don’t offer the old man as an example, there wouldn’t be Russia, there wouldn’t be any old man. The humpbacked agricultural man was also where the USSR was.
            Quote: you Vlad
            It’s easy to manipulate,

            And who is behind him. There are many questions, there are no answers yet. request
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 26 December 2017 09: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: 79807420129
              And who is behind him. There are many questions, there are no answers yet.

              Zyuganov is behind him, the Zyuganov Embassy of the United States repeat
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 26 December 2017 10: 04 New
                11
                Quote: you Vlad
                Zyuganov is behind him, the Zyuganov Embassy of the United States

                Well, about the US Embassy, ​​you certainly got a little excited Colleague, but close to the truth. hi
              2. Lesorub
                Lesorub 26 December 2017 14: 08 New
                +7
                Quote: you Vlad
                Zyuganov is behind him, the Zyuganov Embassy of the United States

                By this logic - then name at least one candidate who is not behind the US Embassy))))! Grudinin, at least, doesn’t “yulit” and does not give false promises - although it’s clear that he won’t win the elections, he’ll really be able to take a post in the government.
                1. seos
                  seos 26 December 2017 15: 49 New
                  +5
                  Nobody will let him into the government .... there you are either torn to the ears or a corpse .... examples are Evdokimov, Swan, etc. ....
                2. Rustic i ......
                  Rustic i ...... 26 December 2017 23: 17 New
                  0
                  So more than once flashed on the Internet pages Dyumin Alexey Gennadievich - the governor of the Tula region, lieutenant general. By the way, as one of the future candidates for the replacement of GDP. Something a lot of praise was about him.
            2. north
              north 26 December 2017 14: 06 New
              +6
              Yes, there are more sensible people on the military review. After YouTube, it’s easier, there are just solid COMFERS Grudinin and Zyuganov, and tears of tenderness flow in the river. It’s right that the impression is that they will start to jump (
            3. 34 region
              34 region 26 December 2017 14: 07 New
              14
              79807420129, 09:49. Putin, who stood at the helm of the state, did not manage more than one enterprise at all. Do not propose Putin ?! Bulk somehow led the forest. We put him as president ?! Ksyusha, what was she leading? She brought up the younger generation with examples of Dom-2. We put her president of Russia? She even has a program, 123 steps. Let's discuss her program at VO and vote on the chapters of the program. You can have one chapter a week. Does Putin have a program? Or does he only have a cunning plan about which he will not tell anyone?
              1. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 05: 51 New
                0
                Quote: 34 region
                Does Putin have a program? Or does he only have a cunning plan about which he will not tell anyone?

                yeah! how do you answer the question of evidence: we have them, BUT we won’t show them to you, since they are SECRET!
            4. freddyk
              freddyk 26 December 2017 16: 34 New
              +9
              Quote: 79807420129
              If you coped with the state farm, then coped with the country? And here baaaalshie questions

              The question is not only for you, but for everyone with such doubts. Do you really think that Putin is coping with the country?
            5. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 December 2017 16: 57 New
              10
              Quote: 79807420129
              And who is behind him. There are many questions, there are no answers yet.

              These are questions in your head.
              Go to the site of the PDS of the NDSR, there is everything there.
        2. vlad.svargin
          vlad.svargin 26 December 2017 12: 49 New
          16
          Mu Dialer
          Why should Grudinin choose that? ... Like how Gorbi came to power in 85, I also remember that everyone was happy ...

          Grudinin was proposed as a single candidate as a result of the preliminary election of 6 candidates from the PDS NPSR (Permanent Meeting of the National Patriotic Forces of Russia), which includes the Communist Party. It is unlikely that he would have passed through the filter of the Electoral Commission simply from a party not included in the State Duma, the liberals would not have let him through, too dangerous for them!
          1. north
            north 26 December 2017 14: 12 New
            +5
            He is in no way dangerous to the liberals. He agrees with everyone, was a member of the Unified Democratic Republic, left because he wasn’t put forward somewhere. He was friends with Zhirinovsky, it seems that he had been looking at the “springboard” for a long time.
        3. 34 region
          34 region 26 December 2017 13: 59 New
          16
          Mu Dialer, 08:00. So when Putin was elected, he (Putin) was also fresh and young! *** Why should Grudinin choose that? *** And why did Putin choose that? *** Putin is better, probably ... *** Well, yes! Putin is prettier! Prettier! And achieved what? The country at the Olympics is already lower than the plinth. Is this the success of Russia !? What high-tech products and technology did Russia begin to sell under Putin? In which countries did Russia begin to invest under Putin? What economic and military alliances did Russia create under Putin? Which country in terms of living has Russia surpassed under Putin?
        4. domokl
          domokl 26 December 2017 14: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: Mu Dialer
          Putin is better, probably ...

          There are no romantics. Putin will win these elections. And then what? Cat in a bag from the former president? And if you're not lucky, how lucky with Putin? If again vote with your heart and something like EBN?
          Let it appear in the elections. Thus, Putin’s next term will be under the gun. don’t mess up, choose ...
        5. psel
          psel 26 December 2017 15: 45 New
          +2
          He is not so young, but the 5th column of the questionnaire - a Jew, is generally a failure. Ryhoriy Yavlinsky, by the way, is more a shit for Russia. He is full of well-deserved. And this one, under the guise of a "strawberry farm," fed Moscow with azero-Turkish strawberries.
      3. vikmar64
        vikmar64 26 December 2017 13: 35 New
        12
        Such articles are now raining down from a leaky bucket. The situation in brief is:
        In the late 90s, the ruling elite (representatives of Kotolroy Gaidar, Chubais, etc.) were looking for a replacement for the old and sick Yeltsin. What was needed was a figure without a name or ambition that could be easily manipulated. We found a successful one, as it seemed to them on that option - Putin. And he take and take care of the fate of Russia. He began to push the oligarchs from power and the west from resources. But he didn’t have the opportunity to fight the elite representing the west, he had to agree that the incomes between Russia and his pocket would not be too clear. Over time, Putin’s influence grew, and on the geopolitical site, he generally crushed his beloved corn to the owners of our elite. They decided: it's time to bring down Putin. The West simply cannot wait another 6 years. The government did not do poor preparatory work to worsen the situation of the economy, reporting through the Federal State Statistics Service (which is at the disposal of the government) about economic growth (playing the role of kamikaze with a reserve parachute in the form of bank accounts in the west). And the next day, after Putin’s announcement of overcoming the recession, a Rosstat report on the largest decline in industry is released. They began to translate arrows of discontent of the people on Putin.
        They noticed that Putin went to the polls as a self-nominated candidate, without linking himself to any party. It is in order to start a battle with this elite. And then this hero-latifundist appears. Nobody knows how this plowman managed to become the owner of one of the most expensive agricultural land in the country. And no one cares how much and from whom Zyugonov received compensation?
        Putin now has two ways: to leave quietly, having lost the election or win the election and fight with the elite. Because she already put an end to it (by decision of the Western Regional Committee). Whose nominee Grudinin is generally clear, as is the fact that Putin will not be allowed to win these elections. And goodbye great Russia - the West does not need you ...
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 December 2017 14: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: vikmar64
          What was needed was a figure without a name or ambition that could be easily manipulated. We found a successful one, as it seemed to them on that option - Putin.

          You’ll figure it out for yourself, would you take a special service for such a role? belay (they are all muddy by the way, I can’t) yes It was a coup, quiet (which is very good for the country) and for Yeltsin (quietly and quietly left and bargained for his own) That this coup was shown by further actions of the GDP at the post, well, they differed very much from the actions of Yeltsin!
          Quote: vikmar64
          and fight with the elite.

          With the support of our elite in the west, for this, the GDP was rebuilding the army (since anything could happen in such cases) Syria is an example yes
        2. sotnik53
          sotnik53 26 December 2017 14: 10 New
          13
          Something not very zealous GDP fights with the "elite". Whatever the minister, the billionaire or his wife, children, deputies are basically the same. Cluster overwhelmed the country. The protagonists of this process are the "elite", they plant someone, release steam. While the current cabinet of ministers and the attached oligarchy steers and will steer in domestic politics, the victory in the fray of GDP does not shine.
        3. domokl
          domokl 26 December 2017 14: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: vikmar64
          Putin now has two ways: to leave quietly, having lost the election or win the election and fight with the elite.

          laughing But there is a third. Quietly change the government and just bring everything down again is not the prime minister. What is he to fear now? There will be no next deadline. And it's too old to steer ...
        4. psel
          psel 26 December 2017 15: 48 New
          +2
          So where did you find the national-patriotic forces? I see only national forces and they have been unchanged since 1917. Agree that it is strange to hear the following words --And we can! We Russians didn’t raise the country after this, are we worse than our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? - from the lips of a Jew Grudinin. Compare the photo of Grudinin, Gozman and Rodchenko! As they say, find five differences
          1. tv70
            tv70 26 December 2017 17: 20 New
            +8
            Change the record, put another, put any, but please don’t put this one! Not about you, dear sang this song?
        5. seos
          seos 26 December 2017 16: 09 New
          +4
          If Putin wanted to restrain the liberals, he would organize a referendum and get absolute power and support from the people, disperse the parliament and make the necessary reforms, etc. ... he is not a conflict pioneer who wants to please and please everyone .....
          If Putin becomes president, do not expect economic reforms from him; the same attempts will continue to persuade thieves not to steal ...
          According to Grudinin, he has no power, and without a bloody war, the liberals will not give up power .... they will not give him the same power .... they will try to sabotage his work ...
          In any case, the ass .... the right decision does not exist today
          1. seos
            seos 26 December 2017 16: 47 New
            +2
            And as a minus to Grudinin can be attributed the uncertainty of his actions in the Crimea and the East of Ukraine .... As for the counter-sanctions, he spoke out strongly negatively, which is very alarming ....
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 30 December 2017 19: 35 New
              0
              Quote: seos
              And as a minus to Grudinin can be attributed the uncertainty of his actions in the Crimea and the East of Ukraine ....

              Why did the grandmother take a walk? Where did you get what you didn’t talk about and why do you ascribe your speculations to him?
        6. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 December 2017 17: 06 New
          +9
          Quote: vikmar64
          it seemed to them that option - Putin. And he take and take care of the fate of Russia.

          From this moment on, you don’t want to read your nonsense.
          Throw it all out of your head, this is the Waloshino-Surkov propaganda.
        7. Romey
          Romey 26 December 2017 18: 24 New
          15
          Quote: vikmar64
          Such articles are now raining down from a leaky bucket. The situation in brief is:
          In the late 90s, the ruling elite (representatives of Kotolroy Gaidar, Chubais, etc.) were looking for a replacement for the old and sick Yeltsin. What was needed was a figure without a name or ambition that could be easily manipulated. We found a successful one, as it seemed to them on that option - Putin. And he take and take care of the fate of Russia. He began to push the oligarchs from power and the west from resources.

          Well, ka in more detail about pushing back ... What, red-haired Tolenka in sunny Magadan, and not at the cut of the dough in the office is rooted? And why would Forbes's list swell regularly? Or are you for Berezovsky, Gusinsky and Hodor. Well, the first one suffered from a cunning **** ti, and the latter were foolish. Would be smarter would live in chocolate like Abramovich and Deripaska. And yes, yes. As a superhero, Putin pushed the West away from our resources. Did we get off the gas noose?
          Quote: vikmar64
          Over time, Putin’s influence grew, and on the geopolitical site, he generally crushed his beloved corn to the owners of our elite. They decided: it's time to bring down Putin. The West simply cannot wait another 6 years. The government did not do poor preparatory work to worsen the situation of the economy, reporting through the Federal State Statistics Service (which is at the disposal of the government) about economic growth (playing the role of kamikaze with a reserve parachute in the form of bank accounts in the west). And the next day, after Putin’s announcement of overcoming the recession, a Rosstat report on the largest decline in industry is released. They began to translate arrows of discontent of the people on Putin.

          An old song about the main thing ... They say the patriot Putin is not sparing himself struggling with his own government, regularly expressing satisfaction with his work. Cool. wink Attention to the question: for hell we have 6 years to endure the president who is so desperately fighting his own government?
          Quote: vikmar64

          They noticed that Putin went to the polls as a self-nominated candidate, without linking himself to any party. It is in order to start a battle with this elite.

          Do you hold us for idiots? In vain, my friend ... "United Russia" of course is not here. And 18 years of course were necessary for the preparation of this epic struggle. And, tram pam pam the moment has come !!!! Epic.
          Quote: vikmar64
          And then this hero-latifundist appears. No one knows how this plowman managed to become the owner of one of the most expensive agricultural land in the country. And nobody cares how much and from whom Zyugonov received compensation?

          No need to measure everything with the raider psychology of a standard member of EdRO. It is customary for yours, if you have not calculated the profit in your pocket, then it compensates for it by hard workers. The enterprise of Grudinin is the standard of work of a normal business, when shareholders receive a salary, and dividends spend on social programs and development. Zyuganov, by the way, AP strongly recommended nominating himself as a loved one. But he found courage in himself.
          Quote: vikmar64

          Putin now has two ways: to leave quietly, having lost the election or win the election and fight with the elite. Because she already put an end to it (by decision of the Western Regional Committee). Whose nominee Grudinin is generally clear, as is the fact that Putin will not be allowed to win these elections. And goodbye great Russia - the West does not need you ...

          And here I agree. The label of the princes lost, but no agreement. There was hope for Trump, but here the bastard - threw it. Only in vain did they use shampoo for his health. Dumb gold reserve and again sacred friends, which he, unlike Donbass, never throws, can very much ask. Snuffbox on the head. But he will be a good child and will do what they say. Taki yes! Goodbye Great Russia if Putin is chosen for the last time. In the literal sense, because by the age of 24, trouble can happen and the sacred person will leave the stage by the efforts of his partners.
          1. your1970
            your1970 28 December 2017 12: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: romey
            The enterprise of Grudinin is the standard of work of a normal business, when shareholders get paid, dividends spend on social programs and development. Zyuganov, by the way, AP strongly recommended nominating himself as a loved one. But he found in himself
            -those. you do not know what
            1) 40% of the shares belong to Grudinin, the remaining 60% - or 40, toli 50 people
            2) "A closed joint-stock company (CJSC) is a commercial organization whose charter capital is divided into a certain number of shares certifying the obligations of the participants of the company (shareholders) in relation to the company; CJSC shares are distributed only among its founders or other predetermined circle of persons. The shareholders of the company can be both individuals and legal entities (Russian and foreign). The total number of shareholders of a company cannot be more than 50.and if the number of shareholders in a CJSC exceeds 50 people, then the CJSC must be transformed into an OJSC. "
            3) workers are obviously not shareholders - simply because they are obviously much larger than the possible number of shareholders.
            4) if dividends go to the development of a closed joint stock company - this increases BALANCE BALANCE CJSC and accordingly the share of each shareholder.
            5) the book value of CJSC for 2015 is 7 billion with a tail, respectively, about 40 billion of property and means of production account for 3% of the shares
            1. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 21 New
              +1
              once again: SO WHAT? AND WHERE IS THE CRIMINAL HERE? WHAT ARE YOU CLICKING TO THEIR MONEY?
              you'd better ask the same spokesman for our “beloved” guarantor, where did he get the watch from the green leaves and where are the children of our rulers?
        8. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 December 2017 18: 31 New
          +9
          Quote: vikmar64
          They noticed that Putin went to the polls as a self-nominated candidate, without linking himself to any party.

          And who will collect his signatures? Himself go to the porches? laughing
          Laughter, laughter, but on Sunday, for the first time in several months, I turned on the Time program. Powerful propaganda for Putin, supported by ONF, who in turn proved his steadfastness in the fight against corruption, after told about Grudinin, who is a co-owner of AO, behind the Moscow Ring Road, where the land costs millions. I won’t watch more time, it’s sickening.
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 29 January 2018 18: 22 New
            +2
            you look Russia 24 look! there’s a complete zhetushnik, you believe, but I didn’t expect from such a serious program ...
      4. harkin victor
        harkin victor 26 December 2017 13: 59 New
        +7
        The business elite will not let him implement what he intended. On the first channel, he told some moments of his actions, so that people began to live better. He will have to block the main channels for the profit of our thieves, who have been taking the country away from the 90s and storing everything in the West and offshore. They will unite, but will not let his plans come true. If he just will not conduct a tough policy, like Saakashvili in Georgia in the first years of his presidency.
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 26 December 2017 17: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: harkin victor
          They will unite, but will not let his plans come true. Unless he has a tough policy,

          Of course tough, he's not a liberal. They will unite in groups at the logging if they do not have time to dump.
      5. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 26 December 2017 15: 30 New
        +5
        And since when did VO start playing politics?
        Why aren't the other obituaries dedicated to the other candidates? Well, if such a democracy has gone?
        As for Grudinin, they say that his enterprise is strong. Perhaps there will be a sense in state power. But not at once. You see, after the election, if it is noticeable against the background of "racehorses" and put in office, maybe even the prime minister. And then we'll see ...
        In any case, a leader will need a replacement. Siluanov didn’t leave the country "with feeding" with the Sechens.
        It’s time for new, unsullied ones to be pulled from the deck, and give trial periods. And there, the work will show who is worth what.
      6. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 26 December 2017 19: 56 New
        +9
        Judging by the likes, the majority of forum visitors are for Grudinin - it pleases and inspires some optimism.
      7. ava09
        ava09 30 December 2017 07: 11 New
        0
        Quote: populist
        Baloo
        ... weak for the president.

        The presidential candidate is real! good The article is well written. I'll give it to everyone I can.

        Sometimes it becomes insulting for those who have taught some incapacitated (politically) to read ...
    3. Letnab
      Letnab 26 December 2017 06: 56 New
      18
      Quote: Balu
      I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking. The maximum is the Prime Minister, but rather let him remain himself. hi

      This, too, I noticed, in a discussion of one of the previous articles on this topic, I drew attention to this. I have nothing against him, quite an adequate person, there is no such shocking as Zhirinovsky, Sobchak-bulk, etc. But I would have pulled the prime minister’s place to connect him to the same runway. And there on the trail. the term could be judged ...
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 26 December 2017 07: 53 New
        11
        Though kill, but in reality, the manager raised the state farm on strawberries? Berry processing? Or is land still near the Moscow Ring Road worth the money? Offhand: Shopping Center Vegas, car dealerships, Shopping Center Constructor, a bunch of STS, a new microdistrict at the state farm itself (the price tag for housing on the Internet), the Molokovo microdistrict I don’t know for sure.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 02 New
          +3
          In our store (Pyaterochka) his cheese is for sale ...
          1. Evil543
            Evil543 26 December 2017 08: 12 New
            +4
            What is the number of livestock? How much cheese is obtained? What is the yield?
            1. Mu Dialer
              Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 21 New
              +1
              Absolutely no idea.
              39 rubles per 100 g.
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 26 December 2017 08: 38 New
                +5
                Now calculate how many liters of milk are needed to produce kg of this cheese, production costs, logistics and retail margins. And what kind of cheese do you eat?
                1. Mu Dialer
                  Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 53 New
                  +1
                  Yes, I have no penetration, I buy different ones, usually 45 rubles per 100 grams, or feta cheese.
                2. 34 region
                  34 region 26 December 2017 14: 21 New
                  +5
                  Evil543, 08:38. Is cheese for 390 rubles per kilogram already not cheese !? And have you not snickered the cutest! People need to work a shift for a kilo of cheese! Well, 1 thousand rubles per day. It does not even earn a kilo. Given that a day is 24 hours and a shift of 8 hours. Minus 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour (anyone like that, lunch). They already wrote how, after the imposition of sanctions, the import of milk powder and palm oil increased, but the yield of milk increased! Especially where there are no cows! Evil! When we eat slop, are we kind !?
                  1. Evil543
                    Evil543 26 December 2017 15: 32 New
                    +3
                    Well dear, calculate the cost of milk production in the suburbs and how much cheese will cost him in the end. There is no free milk in the suburbs. Danone chooses everything. And the request not to distort, snickering did not snicker.
                3. seos
                  seos 26 December 2017 16: 12 New
                  +5
                  For this money, the ideal cheese will turn out ... because the purchase price of milk by wholesalers in our country is 12 rubles per liter (not the packaged shit that is on the shelves in the store, but from under the cow) ... Country cheese price 300 rubles kg ... but they don’t let this cheese go to Moscow ... they sell soy shit for 400 rubles ...
                  1. Evil543
                    Evil543 26 December 2017 16: 47 New
                    +2
                    It's about the suburbs, two years with feed problems
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 December 2017 17: 21 New
              +6
              Quote: Evil543
              What is the number of livestock? How much cheese is obtained? What is the yield?

              Look at the state farm, but the interior view is not up to .. a lot
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 26 December 2017 18: 30 New
                +2
                Every day I drive past from work to work, for about 15 years.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 26 December 2017 18: 34 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Evil543
                  Every day I drive past from work to work, for about 15 years.

                  So once near then, go to a friend, ask everything, study, conduct auditors, and then tell the respected audience of VO. good
        2. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 26 December 2017 10: 19 New
          +7
          From the biography of the candidate:
          1. "The beginning in politics .." In 1997-2001 - deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma of the second convocation. On December 14, 1997 he was elected in the single-mandate constituency No. 2 (Vidnoe, Leninsky district, Moscow region). He was a member of the economic policy committee, and was deputy chairman of the budget, financial and tax policy committee.
          In 2000, Pavel Grudinin was the confidant of the presidential candidate Vladimir Putin. Until 2010, he was a member of the United Russia party.

          http://tass.ru/info/4838426
          2. About ZAO "State Farm Named After Lenin" Registered capital: 4.65 million. Number of staff: 314
          Number of founders: 318
          And the property and service sector of the go!
          No comments

          http://www.list-org.com/company/9532
          3.How different CJSC and OJSC were created at that time, probably you don’t need to talk.
          http://www.compromat.ru/page_29725.htm
          4. The actions of the Communist Party and personally of its head Zyuganov are surprising. Substitute the party. not finding a candidate in her ranks. What is this.? Dead end party or ordered?
          in these elections, the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Victory will be at a rating of 86 percent for Putin B. There is no one in the country. Yes, and beyond the hill does not doubt. Yes, and "horses do not change at the crossing" Time is NOT that !!
          The main thing is to legitimize the elections themselves. In the case of the second round of elections, you need a candidate from the Communist Party of the non-partisan and former member of United Russia .. so that he succeeds. Has lost Yes and the Head of his staff will look after this .. he has. As they wrote, elections. ..
          And the most surprising. Many candidates of different party movements are under social slogans
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 26 December 2017 14: 27 New
            +9
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Victory will be at a rating of 86 percent for Putin VV

            I’m always interested in why the rating is 86%, and in the elections 63% with a turnout of 65%. That is, it really votes for 35% of GDP, and this despite the fact that doctors, teachers, military, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, officials, and other state employees vote in an orderly manner?
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 26 December 2017 15: 27 New
              +6
              Quote: E_V_N
              That is, it really votes for 35% of GDP, and this despite the fact that doctors, teachers, military, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, officials, and other state employees vote in an orderly manner?

              no one ordered me fool
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 December 2017 18: 42 New
                +6
                And I was somehow offered to participate in the carousel. For a hundred rubles.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 26 December 2017 22: 57 New
                0
                Quote: Balu
                no one ordered me

                For whom to vote and they didn’t openly order me, but 5 times they called “did you go, did you vote?”
                1. your1970
                  your1970 27 December 2017 00: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  Quote: Balu
                  no one ordered me

                  Who to vote for and they didn’t openly order me, but 5 times they called "you went, voted?"
                  -You were reminded of your civic duty so that you can cheat as little as possible in the elections THIS dissatisfied ???
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 28 December 2017 00: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    reminded you of your civic duty

                    I just don’t need to remind of a civic duty, I always vote.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 28 December 2017 10: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: E_V_N
                      Do doctors, teachers, military, Ministry of Internal Affairs, officials, and other state employees vote in an orderly manner?

                      Quote: E_V_N
                      Quote: your1970
                      reminded you of your civic duty
                      I just don’t need to remind of a civic duty, I always vote.
                      - here they are reminded by order - that they should go to the polls. Why do you think that they are ordered to vote for a specific person? How can this be controlled? The slogan is about "not thrown into the ballot box and the bulletin brought out for control" - who doesn’t give in the drop put 2-3-5 checkmarks / cross out?
                2. Baloo
                  Baloo 27 December 2017 06: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  For whom to vote and they didn’t openly order me, but 5 times they called “did you go, did you vote?”

                  You see how important your voice is. But they didn’t call me. In the morning he got up and led the family to vote. Everyone voted without discussion.
          2. 34 region
            34 region 26 December 2017 14: 39 New
            +1
            To be or not to be, 10:19. And what is the question? If you count the votes for Putin 100%, for Grudinin a maximum of 50%. Explicitly will not enter the presidency. Maximum, post of prime minister, minister of agriculture, or chief in the Moscow region. You can sing as much as you want about the totalitarianism of the one-party system. But the multiparty system is still that trap. The main candidate may not be satisfied with the majority. But many parties of different interests are being created. And as a result, the main candidate receives an advantage. An infinite number of parties, this is the dictatorship of one. Here in the United States made a brilliant decision. Multiparty system. Popcorn is salty and popcorn is sweet! There is a question, either-or. There is no third. Now, if there will be a Putin-Grudinin fight! Then it will be a struggle. But the experience gained in Putin’s political life will not give the amateur Grudinin any chance. Although Putin at the beginning of the presidency was still a kid by the standards of politics. But Putin did not have competitors. Yes, and no today. Social slogans !? Zhirinovsky already has experience with slogans.
        3. north
          north 26 December 2017 14: 15 New
          +2
          So with strawberries, interesting things. During harvesting, seasonal workers work like Gaster.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 26 December 2017 19: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: north
            So with strawberries, interesting things. During harvesting, seasonal workers work like Gaster.

            Strawberries from 300 r, Turkish and Azeyr-Bajan 250. Strawberries are not the main, more areas under crops, gardening, animal husbandry.
            Well done! Salaries with vacancies from 22 thousand to 200 thousand (your own truck with a cart).
            An article in a comedian buying up, without drooling, probably it is. All the same, for starters, the Prime Minister. All our moans in comments are more in the competence of the prime minister, Medvedev is clearly not pulling. Not that he has experience and education.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 30 December 2017 19: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Balu
              An article in a commerce

              Zakazukha AUCHANA, then gossip with Kompromat .. are these all your sources?
              Dragged Abramovich .. black PR certainly makes sense, for those who already do not feel confident. It’s disgusting to even such behavior.
      2. domokl
        domokl 26 December 2017 09: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Letnab
        And there on the trail. term could be judged ..

        So talk about it. And then in 6 years we’ll get a pig in a poke again ...
      3. atos_kin
        atos_kin 26 December 2017 11: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Letnab
        connect it to the same Runway

        And give the term GDP.
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 06: 10 New
          0
          in the special regime zone, instead of Kvachkov?
      4. 34 region
        34 region 26 December 2017 14: 11 New
        10
        Letnab, 06:56. Yolas are fallen! But when Putin was elected for the first time (and not the first too) He was tortured because they are torturing Grudinin? And who tortured Medvedev?
        1. Letnab
          Letnab 27 December 2017 08: 16 New
          0
          Quote: 34 region
          Letnab, 06:56. Yolas are fallen! But when Putin was elected for the first time (and not the first too) He was tortured because they are torturing Grudinin? And who tortured Medvedev?

          When did Putin come? It must be remembered that he became prime minister under Yeltsin, shortly before his departure from power. Let us recall how exactly under Putin there was a change in the Chechen war in a positive direction. You can still recall ... It was then that the people no longer needed anything, just some certainty in life appeared, and the people voted. Let us recall how Putin refused to debate in the election for a second term, he had enough results from already completed affairs.
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 27 December 2017 11: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Letnab
            Let us recall how exactly under Putin there was a change in the Chechen war in a positive direction.

            They won in Chechnya because our army fought to victory, despite the betrayal of the Yeltsin clan, whom Putin had sworn allegiance to. How he helped the army became clear in 2008.
          2. 34 region
            34 region 27 December 2017 12: 25 New
            +2
            Letnab, 08:16. Well then, let's put Grudinin instead of DAM. And you can immediately and the president. Maybe there will also be shifts on the world stage. An interesting question with Chechnya. They argue over it. Either Russia won in Chechnya, or the Chechens imposed a tribute to Russia. Okay, we drove through Chechnya. Today something is ripening in Tatarstan and the Siberian Emirates. The US gently hinted at the arrest of accounts. Weird! Developed Russia, and the accounts are there! Why is money not invested in Russia?
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        1. Baloo
          Baloo 26 December 2017 19: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: psel
          Is it liquid again at the premieres?

          And there are many such farms in the country, led by what you call them, like the state farm named after Lenin? sad
          1. tv70
            tv70 28 December 2017 16: 57 New
            0
            Well, in Usolye Sibirsky a good enterprise, the products are very high quality, the Communists are at the helm.
          2. badens1111
            badens1111 30 December 2017 19: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Balu
            And there are many such farms in the country, led by what you call them, like the state farm named after Lenin?

            Do not you know? Or do not want to know?
            “One of the most successful national enterprises in the CIS is the Tiraspol NGO Elektromash CJSC. This enterprise not only ensured the possession by each employee of a certain share of the share capital, but also created the conditions for real control over the use of this property and its disposal ”

            “Today in Russia there are only a few dozen national enterprises. Among them are CJSC NP Naberezhnye Chelny Cardboard and Paper Mill, CJSC NP Turinsky Pulp and Paper Mill, CJSC NP Sukholozhskasbocement (Sverdlovsk Region), CJSC NP Arkhangelsk Bread, CJSC NP Zavod Iskozh (g. Yoshkar-Ola), NP Confil CJSC (Volgograd), Krasnaya Zvezda NP CJSC (Udmurt Republic), NP Zhukovmezhraigaz CJSC (Kaluga Region), NP Nadezhda CJSC (Sverdlovsk Region), NP NP CJSC Volga Plywood and Furniture Plant ”(Republic of Tatarstan), ZAO NP Chelyabinsk Ore Mining and others. Enterprises belong to such sectors of the economy as pulp and paper, light, food and fuel industries, mechanical engineering, woodworking, construction, agriculture ”
            Would you like to emphasize that this form of management exists and is quite successful? What prevents it from being seen and applied in the country?
            Interests of large, comprador capital?
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 26 December 2017 07: 31 New
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      Do not confuse Gudinin with Lukashenko. This was the chairman of the collective farm. And Grudinin is the director of CJSC State Farm named after Lenin. As they say in Odessa, these are two big differences. lol
      1. Moore
        Moore 26 December 2017 08: 20 New
        10
        Oh yes, there are a lot of differences. The first headed the state farm under the name "Gorodets", and the second state farm under the name "Name of Lenin". One was a deputy in the Armed Forces of Belarus, the second was a deputy in the city of Vidnoe. Feel the difference.
        I believe that the purpose of his nomination is still the same: to take the votes from Zhirinovsky, as at one time Lebed took the votes from Zyuganov. About Ksyushad and other Polonsky and I’m not talking. And then give them to Samiznaetekom. Then the people were waiting for a strong-willed general who had a desire to restore order in the country, now the people’s expectations are reduced to an honest candidate who will give Pendal a liberal cube of financiers and put at least some framework for the oil and gas pumps that have lost their shores. The move is not original, but, IMHO, the people will lead.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 33 New
          +6
          Take the votes from Zhirik? Are you serious? :-)
          1. Vvol
            Vvol 29 December 2017 15: 34 New
            0
            I'm afraid he's serious. Zhirinovsky is a “naphthalene” candidate, so that popular love may well spread to the new and fresh. And yes - I'm serious.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 26 December 2017 09: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: Moore
          One was a deputy in the Armed Forces of Belarus, the second was a deputy of the city of Vidnoe.

          At the same time, Grudinin was a member of United Russia.
          1. Sargas
            Sargas 26 December 2017 09: 42 New
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            I do not know about you, but in Kemerovo, directors forced join the EP.
            1. Blombirus
              Blombirus 26 December 2017 09: 54 New
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              Quote: Sargas
              I do not know about you, but in Kemerovo, directors forced join the EP.

              Oh how! Directly forced? They do not climb there themselves, bulging eyes from the strain? Laughing out loud! Sufferers. Schyas cry from pity.
              1. seos
                seos 26 December 2017 16: 17 New
                +6
                Students are also forced to sign for EP, without fail either you sign up or do not pass the session and still sign up but also pay extra money ...
                1. Blombirus
                  Blombirus 26 December 2017 16: 54 New
                  +3
                  Quote: seos
                  Students are also forced to sign for EP, without fail either you sign up or do not pass the session and still sign up but also pay extra money ...

                  Bulk you compensate for granny losses, maybe. Well, or promise, there is something to wait. When he gets drunk and burps you under the table.
            2. vlad.svargin
              vlad.svargin 26 December 2017 12: 23 New
              13
              Sargas
              in Kemerovo, directors were forced to join the EP.

              That's for sure! Yes, and Tuleyev ceased to "spread rot" when he was forced to support the EP ... It even came to the threat of the division of the Kemerovo region between Altai and the Novosibirsk region ...
        3. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 26 December 2017 09: 15 New
          +3
          Dear Moore, I support, I myself have the same feelings.
        4. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 26 December 2017 09: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: Moore
          I believe that the purpose of his nomination is still the same: to take the votes from Zhirinovsky, as at one time Lebed took the votes from Zyuganov.

          aah ... conspiracy! Well, Grudinin wouldn’t advance, so what? do you think Zhirik would win? yeah, well. with this, the Communist Party is much more likely to gain something than with the already bored everyone Zyuganov. however, I do not believe in victory for anyone other than GDP.
          1. Moore
            Moore 26 December 2017 09: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: K0
            do you think Zhirik would win? yeah how so

            No, of course I don’t think so. It’s just that these voices must be economically selected so that they don’t disappear in vain.
            Agree that VVZh is not a competitor of GDP from the word at all. And here, IMHO, political technologists introduce a new face, symbolizing at least some kind of competition. By the way, with the possible occupation of the seat in the government - a la General Lebed.
        5. 34 region
          34 region 26 December 2017 14: 48 New
          0
          Moore, 08:20. As for the general, the question is interesting. Hoping on Putin as a KGB officer. Here ours has come and it will hurt everyone not ours! But alas! They gave him. Hoping on the Swan. The swan sang a swan song. Can I blame the Swan !? It is still unknown what situation he was in and it is not known what YOU would personally do in this case. People will lead !? Also an interesting question. That yelling that not voting is bad, then yelling that the people will lead. And then what should the people do? Can I have a recipe?
        6. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 26 December 2017 15: 42 New
          +1
          You and the results of the chairman of the collective farm "Gorodets" also do not put in absolute. Russia will not have a backup country like the Republic of Belarus, and if something “goes wrong” with the president-chairman, it will not seem to anyone.
          The President of Russia needs a team, and for this it is necessary to work in the structure of state. authorities and team to assemble.
          Not sure what is left up to the next. this is possible, but there is a chance, especially with the help of GDP. But for this you need to be in state. power and enjoy first-person support. And step through the steps sequentially to gain experience.
          Maybe the same Kiriyenko consider as the next candidate? Then he should be put in place of Medvedev now. Also a person with experience and management in a crisis and successful management of an entire industry nationwide.
          Почему нет?
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 4 January 2018 21: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Vlad.by
            Maybe the same Kiriyenko consider as the next candidate? Then he should be put in place of Medvedev now. Also a person with experience and management in a crisis and successful management of an entire industry nationwide.

            There is a black spot in biography-shura-moore with Scientologists. I object.
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    6. askme
      askme 26 December 2017 08: 15 New
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      Something on the Internet, passions run high):
      SENDED KAZACHOK- BOURGE BREAST. LEARN HOW TO Hang Noodles!
      ZYUGA TIRED-HE'S MUZHUZHUK! AND GIVEN A PARTY TO HUNDREDS, FUN CASES!

      Grudinin: MISSP in 1977 had a checkpoint of 17,5, 17,5–3,5 (idiots certificate) = 14. Two triples, two quadruples :) Should have been distributed somewhere in the Ministry of Agriculture and Agriculture - distributed in the Ministry of Agriculture, although there are mechanics for this in agricultural institutes. He brought the distribution to MISSP home, in the suburbs, to the state farm. Well, in general, instead of armor, I decided closer to the spare parts.



      He did not serve in the army. Not a leader for the communists.

      Muddy BOGRAPHY. NO PAPU, NO MOTHER NOBODY SEEN. WHERE APPEARED - UNKNOWN.
      NEITHER SCHOOLS WHERE STUDYED, NO PHOTOS OF YOUTH AND CHILDHOOD, NO FRIENDS AND FRIENDS.
      REMINDS A Worshiper WITH HER BIOGRAPHY.
      FOR THE BOURGEOUS AGAINST THE BOURGEUISE IS SOMETHING NEW IN THE Communist Party!
      [IMG]
      GRUDININ ABOUT SCHOOL

      You do not need physics and chemistry, you do not need to think big and understand the essence of the process, you must be able to work with your hands. Qualified, but without claims to development.
      A classical education is unnecessary for you, because we train workers, not engineers.

      Not so long ago, about a year and a half ago, a certain friend Grudinin burst into the information field, whom 99% of not only Russians, but also residents of Moscow and the region, where this friend owns a certain settlement called "state farm", burst into the information field "yesterday" " And not just appeared, but immediately famously swung at the presidency.



      [IMG]

      All recent history teaches us that never and nothing / nobody suddenly appears in the information field, because any mention in the media and herds of PR "bloggers" are worth the money. A lot of money. And the number of "supporters" of sternum for the year grew simply exponentially. I climbed out to look for information about this comrade, and for some reason I was not at all surprised that this “chairman” who had converted to communists was once a member of United Russia, for which he was supposedly expelled, it is known only from the words of the sternum who want to study the issue they will find his interview themselves.
      It is much more interesting in this situation, who took up the PR of this “communist” and the sources of income of a “successful state farm”, rumored to be selling Turkish strawberries under the guise of their own, and it’s very expensive.


      Land reprofiling is underway there. The state farm sells, and sometimes simply transfers, the land closest to Moscow to various developers. Forests and oak forests are being cut down, and commercial housing is being built in their place, which already has no relation to the state farm. Where is the money zing? And how farmers were deprived of plots ...
      I will not stoop to rumors, I just give a link to the draft budget 2018-2019 of this state farm (file is downloaded): http: //www.pos-sovhozlenina.ru/acts/index.p
      hp

      From the draft budget, it turns out that 89% of its revenue is funds from leased land and property, not agriculture or any other productive type of activity.

      And here is the story of the "success" of the "communist" sternin. In the 90s, this leader squeezed the golden land from the workers, divorced the villagers, as in the game of thimble, set up shopping centers and residential complexes, and the peasants were left without land and shares. Grudinin, with a handful of companions, took 90% of the shares and actually became the owners of all state farm land, which is about 2 hectares literally a meter from the MKAD, on which numerous shopping centers began to grow uncontrollably.

      It uses the Lenin State Farm CJSC itself as a cover for its real estate operations and tax evasion (while those who watched its video must have noticed how persistently they are broadcasting with the same scale Bender Potapenko about the need to reduce taxes, that is, Comrade Stroginin strongly dislikes paying taxes). Grudinin at one time was very lucky that this so-called state farm turned out to be the owner of land on the Moscow Ring Road, where there is active development and where they built anthill houses with apartment prices from 7 million rubles.

      Only the first two houses were built with state farm money, money from outside investors was invested in the rest, but taking into account the transfer of 30% of apartments to the “communist” sternum. These apartments were already sold at market prices. The billionaire chairman sells apartments to his collective farmers with a 50% discount. With this “prosperity” he binds the collective farmers for many years, since with an average salary of 70 thousand rubles, half goes into the breast pocket, like repaying a loan for at least 10-11 years.

      Totally here: https://glav.su/forum/13/791/m ... 4169 / ...

      And more: http://www.compromat.ru/page_29725.htm

      Here is such a "communism." That is, this is absolutely equivalent to the fact that Russia would surrender 80% of its land, for example, to China, and in the remaining territory 20% of the population lived quite well on rent money, while not forgetting to replenish the pockets of its “benefactor”.


      Now about who moves it (my assumption).

      For the first time on the federal channel, the surname of chestinin was sounded by Norkin from a member of the Union of Right Forces first, then of the Right Cause (the left candidate is PR right, which in itself is not only funny, but also very strange) Boris Nadezhdin. In the biography of Nadezhdin there is a fact related to the case: in August 2005, Nadezhdin was a member of the initiative group for the nomination of Mikhail Khodorkovsky to the State Duma at the by-election in the 201st University District of Moscow.

      The nomination did not take place due to the entry into force of the verdict in the first Yukos case. Since the “liberals” were biting each other and failed in all elections with their maximum of 2%, I would venture to suggest that the restless liar - revanchist Khodorkovsky estimated the potential of the left from numerous polls, because nostalgia for youth and exaggeration of the advantages of the past will always move by large masses of people, especially when you have the opportunity to heat it all up through the media and countless bloggers and experts, and decided to fashion a candidate from the left who would not be old and seen on trips to the US Embassy as Zyuganov, stupid like Rashkin, smeared with Swamp, as Udaltsov and aggressive, as Semin.

      Grudinin’s candidacy in this sense is ideal if you don’t delve into his story and listen carefully to what he says, listening only to populist slogans, looking at his touching photo surrounded by busts of Lenin and sighing nostalgically for the word “state farm” ... Now it’s being decided the fate of the country, therefore, I urge everyone to be very careful in choosing a candidate, opposite which you put a checkmark on March 18, 2018.

      Do not succumb to provocations and do not buy populism. Now there is no lack of information, so it’s not so difficult to figure out who and what is themselves.

      Yes, there was suspicion about the candidate’s “leftism” even when she first heard him. It will be sad if the old people peck at this capitalist in a Bolshevik mask.

      > It would be necessary for the prosecutor's office to see the progress of this citizen. Such accusations do not arise from scratch. As if Grudinkin didn’t have to get out on the zone in Glavpetuhi.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 26 December 2017 09: 33 New
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        Quote: askme
        Muddy BOGRAPHY. NO PAPU, NO MOTHER NOBODY SEEN. WHERE APPEARED - UNKNOWN.

        Well, he honestly says something, for example, about grandfather, and he does it right, I don’t see anything unacceptable. (See from 11 sec.)
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 26 December 2017 10: 45 New
          +6
          Mom, dad, of course, nothing to do with it ..
          But his promotion has been going on very strongly lately. Yes, with what words: - "red director" ..- "socialism"
          (under the capitalist private company and Ilyich state farm! "")
          Yes, and long-range. connected .sam Fedorov .. from the Duma and United Russia ...
          1. psel
            psel 26 December 2017 15: 55 New
            +2
            Fedorov is still that Petushara, ready to serve the payer with what’s what before
          2. badens1111
            badens1111 30 December 2017 21: 46 New
            0
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Yes, and long-range. connected .sam Fedorov .. from the Duma and United Russia ...

            And I got the Fedorov on the kumpol .. you would have carefully watched what an asshole got the Fedorov.
      2. marline
        marline 26 December 2017 10: 18 New
        +3
        Wow ... The Lenin State Farm is such a state farm ... They haven’t seen Burenok there for thirty years ... If only strawberries from the fields near the Don highway (from Domodedovo).
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 26 December 2017 19: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: merlin
          They haven’t seen the cows there for thirty years.

          Read the article in Komersant at the link of the Lenin State Farm. No need to slander.
          147 vacancies with salaries from 22 to 200 thousand
      3. Metlik
        Metlik 26 December 2017 10: 31 New
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        And is that a compromising evidence? What is the FSB capable of? Or for a man who honestly worked all his life in front of everyone, nothing can be cooked up?
        1. psel
          psel 26 December 2017 15: 56 New
          0
          Well, ka something about "All Life" He is an American farmer.
        2. Romey
          Romey 26 December 2017 18: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Metlik
          And is that a compromising evidence? What is the FSB capable of? Or for a man who honestly worked all his life in front of everyone, nothing can be cooked up?

          Nothing, everything is ahead ... 1996 with the newspaper "God forbid" will be for our happiness ... That's what, what, and they learned to brazenly lie without a twinge of conscience.
      4. atos_kin
        atos_kin 26 December 2017 11: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: askme
        Something on the Internet

        Have you tried to think with your own head?
      5. BecmepH
        BecmepH 26 December 2017 11: 46 New
        +4
        As if Grudinkin didn’t have to get out on the zone in Glavpetuhi.
        What is it? Report from the state farm newspaper?
        Phew, how low ...
        1. tv70
          tv70 26 December 2017 17: 36 New
          0
          Well, girls, they are on emotions! [I] [/ i] repeat
      6. badens1111
        badens1111 30 December 2017 19: 44 New
        0
        Quote: askme
        It would be necessary to look at the prosecutor’s office

        Have you collected all the rubbish on the Internet?
        Mdya .. a lasting impression is created that the candidate is serious and poses a threat to someone, that mercenaries scurry around, rivet all nonsense everywhere .. solidly.
    7. Pravodel
      Pravodel 26 December 2017 08: 20 New
      19
      I am joining. I also looked at him at the 1st in a talk show: the ability to manage a collective farm does not at all imply the presence of the ability to manage the state of Russia. Undoubtedly, from the collective farm shed it would be possible to transfer, for example, the president of some Baltic states, replacing Grybauskaite, with the prospect of ceasing to croak on Russia, but it is hard to imagine that there would be enough urine to control Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and even more so , Russia. Such a candidate will not be prevented from initially trying himself in the chair of the governor, especially since in Russia there are provinces equal to or greater than, for example, France and Germany combined, and only then go to the presidency of Russia.
      Another position by which this candidate will give a light to all patriots is foreign policy. His focus on world peace by any means is very reminiscent of a policy of betraying one past of our labeled secretary general, who also sought peace in the world and, as a result, selling Russia with his gang, an alliance to everyone and everything .. It is known how it ended: the union collapsed, and the labeled one - God marks the assault - remained tagged, with which he went down in the history of Russia. Russia will soon be harmed by such a rule for 30 years. Do we need a repeat ?! Let everyone think before putting their vote in the ballot box.

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, an invincible Fatherland.
      1. askme
        askme 26 December 2017 08: 27 New
        15
        From my interview yesterday I personally had enough words about “evil spirits” policemen and about how he was going to slaughter oligarchs, being himself not a poor person. With such bloodthirsty and stupid things in the head, one cannot seriously go to the presidential elections. It is also clearly visible that he does not say what he thinks, it is visible that he filters speech and is very careful. Slippery. There is no real obsession, like Zyugan, but there are bloodthirsty ideas in my head, cold-blooded in this sense and prudent, which is more dangerous. In general, just hanging out or starting the massacre is such a candidate. Not serious ... The first impression was better from YouTube from him. Anyway, an interview on the federal channel shows a person much better. The economies of scale when a person flattens, if he really has skeletons in the closet are capital ...
        1. Nonna
          Nonna 26 December 2017 10: 08 New
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          Quote: askme
          There is no real obsession, like Zyugan, but there are bloodthirsty ideas in my head, cold-blooded in this sense and prudent


          Are you friends with your head? What do we need in place of the president - obsessed? Or is he a red girl to swim in emotions? And in terms of the degree of snake-headedness and prudence of Putin, no one will surpass. Sheinin and Kuzichev work out their millionth royalties from the owners. How old is Shaynin spinning around Pozner? And to whom does the First belong? Those questions that they asked Grudinin none of them would have asked Putin. The clowns completed the order. And I do not like that zealous propagandists here have already begun about nationality (by the way, not only here - the team of fas has already sounded) And now we recall that the entire Russian government and the so-called elite are 70% Jewish, are there any complaints? Why don't you voice it? So the "small trunks." Grudinin is put forward as a candidate - to unite all left forces, as a normal opposition to the authorities. And it is right. Thanks to the authors for the article and citizenship.
          1. atos_kin
            atos_kin 26 December 2017 11: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Balu
            GDP zone of responsibility and MO-Russia.

            Think small, and there are not enough letters.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 26 December 2017 11: 51 New
        +2
        Yes, you are a provocateur, my friend
        Quote: The Truth
        A strong state, a united people, an invincible Fatherland.

        This still looks like a slogan. And then: "The people minus the state minus the Fatherland."
      3. dvvv
        dvvv 26 December 2017 12: 19 New
        14
        and if so, then down with Grudinin and again for Putin? Such a conclusion? This man knows how to steer and think big and not a collective farmer. But the trouble ... Singapore is not able to build. Listen to Boldyrev and it may come that they will again cut Chubais’s mldr and will again invest petrodollars for US oil sold to US banks and take loans for food there and lose it all with the next scam of American banks and funds, eat up everything accumulated for 3-4 of the year. Everything is done right and such a good goose, but the country is not developing, people are impoverished, the company of the same thief is sitting there and stealing all the same, while Volodka beautifully steers a fig before your nose.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 26 December 2017 14: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: dvvv
          and if so, then down with Grudinin and again for Putin?

          No, why so radical? The only trouble is that I do not know who Grudinin is. I did not hear about him in Perm. And Muscovites do not all know him, for sure. Right?
          Or do you want, like in a fairy tale: "Go there without knowing where, bring that .....?
          1. dvvv
            dvvv 26 December 2017 21: 22 New
            +9
            Quote: BecmepH
            I did not hear about him in Perm. And Muscovites do not all know him, for sure. Right?

            - but everyone knows the heap! And there’s nothing to wait there! For 5 years, he gathered tattered Russia, reveled in his greatness for 5 years from high oil prices, and then he was engaged in politics, foreign, and bazaar twice a year with the people, and the country stood by. After 2008, when Russia escaped the crisis almost like Venezuela, it was no longer possible to grow. If he does not understand on collective farms, then he could find a competent prime minister, and not put a faithful iPhone, with whom you can always exchange chairs. And now he is already developing senile greatness. Again he will cry with happiness at the coronation and will do great things, not collective farms to raise and launch the economy.
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 27 December 2017 06: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: dvvv
              but everyone knows the heap!

              Are you attacking me? You didn’t even ask my opinion about GDP, but you let all the males go to me. I just meant that it was not good, purely on emotions, to entrust the state into the hands of a little-known person. Let him first spin in the higher circles, and then we will see. My position is close to yours, but here emotions are useless.
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      4. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 41 New
        +7
        Alexander III was also aimed at peace. Under him, Russia did not wage wars. However, for some reason he is not a traitor, but almost a primordially Russian Tsar
      5. 34 region
        34 region 26 December 2017 15: 00 New
        15
        The Truth, 08:20. And how did Putin intern in the province (region) before becoming president? Has he had much experience already? And how did Oreshkin replace Ulyukaev? What is his experience?
      6. E_V_N
        E_V_N 26 December 2017 15: 08 New
        +9
        Quote: The Truth
        Undoubtedly, from the collective farm shed it would be possible to transfer, for example, the president of some Baltic states, replacing Grybauskaite, with the prospect of stop croaking on Russia, but it is hard to imagine that there would be enough urine to control Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and, even more so , Russia.

        Polish Walesa was a simple electrician in a shipyard, so what? Stalin did not even have a secondary education, not to mention higher education. So what?
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 4 January 2018 21: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: E_V_N
          Polish Walesa was a simple electrician in a shipyard, so what?

          And he was friends with the Gosder. Look at his estate. A simple electrician in a Polish mine could earn only a manor, not counting the hidden lard with psekachekami in Swiss banks?
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        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 27 December 2017 09: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: psel
          So where did they find the national-patriotic forces? I see only national forces. Agree that it is strange to hear the following words --And we can! We Russians didn’t raise the country after this, are we worse than our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? - from the lips of a Jew Grudinin. Compare the photo of Grudinin, Gozman and Rodchenko! As they say, find five differences

          Listen, you got it. Is this already such a message? In the training manual, nothing more is written, or are you waiting for an update from the curators?
      8. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 26 December 2017 17: 34 New
        +9
        Quote: The Truth
        Also looked at him on the 1st in a talk show:

        The most moronic talk show you can imagine is ala litter.
        Quote: The Truth
        the ability to manage a collective farm does not at all imply the presence of the ability to manage the state of Russia.

        and carry a briefcase for a dog, and then jump into the chair of the president is it like? Fine?
        Well, then your koment propaandonsky nonsense negative
        1. Ragoz
          Ragoz 26 December 2017 22: 20 New
          +4
          Sling cutter:
          Not only carry the dog’s portfolio, but also share the huge revenues from the transportation of metal from Leningrad.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 06: 27 New
          +2
          somewhere on the net I saw a picture of Putin in those days: a raspberry-colored jacket, and not the size of it, and Adidas trainers with elongated knees, and this is ..... our president ?!
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 2 January 2018 14: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Victor Demchenko
            somewhere on the net I saw a picture of Putin in those days: a raspberry-colored jacket, and not the size of it, and Adidas trainers with elongated knees, and this is ..... our president ?!

            Tire fitting, pah fotogabazh, pah not that, I remembered the fotozhop, i.e. the photoshop works wonders. Your photo can be made in a general's uniform with a helmet on his head, do you want?
    8. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 December 2017 08: 37 New
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      Someone may notice that the state farm is one thing, and the whole country is another. But we already have an example in history when the collective farm chairman did not turn out to be the worst head of state. Yes, not without flaws, but nevertheless, the country did not collapse. This, of course, is about Alexander Lukashenko.

      Well, what not to ask dear authors hi I don’t argue with the state farm, God forbid everyone yes And our great respect, but the state farm to them. Lenin, this is not the whole of Russia, not even a region or a district. Batko Lukashenko say so look at someone and lean on, he has huge Russia in his props, he manages to sit on two chairs, and Russia leaves, Batka leaves and Since multivectorness will not save him, there was a representative from Stavropol at the time, even studied in the Kremlin for the wisdom of Soviet policy and under his masturbation where is the USSR? Titov’s and other abominations, but one has to look and look, think and think whether Pavel will cope with external pressure, and it will be colossal both within borders and from outside, and he does not have resources of the USSR. what Let's see, there are already two real candidates, thank God. hi
      1. SOF
        SOF 26 December 2017 10: 12 New
        +2
        On Sunday, in the evening, at Solovyov’s, he and Titov, very revealingly, began to measure peep-peers at whom the enterprise is larger, but where the average salary is better.
        ... the poured leader of the largest state in the world lol
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 26 December 2017 13: 10 New
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          Quote: SOF
          On Sunday, in the evening, at Solovyov’s, he and Titov, very revealingly, began to measure peep-peers at whom the enterprise is larger, but where the average salary is better.
          ... the poured leader of the largest state in the world lol

          Just Grudinin did not do this, and Titov measured his pussy, there is no need to spread the lie here.
          1. psel
            psel 26 December 2017 16: 00 New
            +1
            And why Svarog pulls the jewel for a Jew? Change Nick to Jehovah then will be in the suit.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 26 December 2017 16: 11 New
              +9
              Quote: psel
              And why Svarog pulls the jewel for a Jew? Change Nick to Jehovah then will be in the suit.

              For more accurate expressions, otherwise the article is not far away.
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 30 December 2017 19: 49 New
              0
              Quote: psel
              And why Svarog pulls the jewel for a Jew?

              For a Jew?
              Since when is it with us, the presence of only the grandfather of a Jew, in the presence of a Russian grandmother and mother with his father, a person is declared a Jew?
              Are you a xenophobe or just not a very smart person?
              Surname Pischik = In the XIV century, the Slavs from Western Europe came to the tradition of creating surnames as special inherited clan names. Initially, it established itself in Poland, as well as in Ukraine, which at the end of the XNUMXth century merged with Poland into a single state, and only then in Russia. By the beginning of the XVII century, the vast majority of Russian surnames was formed by adding to the name or nickname of the father the suffixes -s / -ev and -in, which over time turned into the most typical indicator of Russian surnames. For the Ukrainian and Belarusian lands, as well as in Western Russian lands, the formation of family names with the help of the suffixes -enko and -uk / -yuk or the fastening of a nickname as a surname without any special special family suffix was characteristic. So the name Pischik, without any changes, was transformed into a surname passed from father to son.

              When and where exactly the nickname of the ancestor formed the basis of the surname, today it is difficult to say for sure, since the process of forming Russian generic names lasted for centuries. However, it is undoubted that the name Pishchik is a wonderful monument of Slavic writing and culture. Https: //www.analizfamilii.ru/Pishchik/pr
              oishozhdenie.html
              Surname Grudinin-The generally accepted model of Russian family names was not formed immediately, but by the beginning of the XVII century, most of the names were formed by adding to the base - the name or nickname of the father - the suffixes -s / -ev and -in, which gradually became typical indicators of Russian family names. By their origin, such naming was possessive adjectives, patronymics. At the same time, the suffix -ov / -ev was added to the bases for the consonant or -o, and the last names in -in were formed from names and nicknames ending in -a / -y. Thus, the descendants of a man who bore the name of Grudin could get the inherited name of Grudinina.

              The adoption by the family of the personal nickname of the ancestor as their family name means that the founder of the surname Grudinin was a great authority for households, and was also a famous and respected person in his native settlement.

              When and where exactly the nickname of the ancestor formed the basis of the inherited family name, today it is difficult to say for sure, since the process of forming Russian generic names lasted for centuries. However, it is undoubted that the surname Grudinin is a wonderful monument of Slavic writing and culture.
              https://www.analizfamilii.ru/Grudinin/proishozhde
              nie.html
          2. SOF
            SOF 26 December 2017 16: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            do not spread lies here

            ... and you reconsider the transmission again and moderate the ardor of utterances.
            Titov said that he has a bigger company, to which your “candidate” objected: “And what is your average salary?” Measured ???? Meeeeee .... laughing
            ...Well?...
            In my words there is not a word of lies, unlike yours, which are here on the site, in different tops (any where you can bite the president - on the topic or not - it does NOT matter), you can collect two hundred pounds.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 26 December 2017 18: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: SOF
              Titov said that he has a bigger company, to which your “candidate” objected: “And what is your average salary?” Measured ???? Meeeeee ....

              The key here is what Titov said, and by the way the debate, Grudinin was forced to answer, but Titov started the dispute, which means he began to measure his pussy.
              1. SOF
                SOF 26 December 2017 18: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                like a debate

                Nah laughing
                Keyword - "eit was NOT a debate", and Sunday evening with Vladimir Solovyov.
                Quote: Svarog
                but Titov started this dispute, which means he began to measure his pussy

                ... and Grudinin supported him in this endeavor lol
                Pal Nikolaitch, but aren't you, in person?
                Then sorry, but nevertheless, for starters, try on a smaller position to show that you can handle it on a larger scale than the sandbox, and only then swipe at the guarantor.
                The state-owned millionaire state farm is honorable, but, excuse me, how many state farms around have announced your sanctions, how many taxes you collect, how many enterprises the state finances, how many pensioners the state farm receives and what kind of army you have, and the special services, your state farms, how to deal effectively with terrorists ... and the fleet, and aviation, and how many schools, but there are enough children. Sadikov ... etc. etc....?
    9. Boris55
      Boris55 26 December 2017 09: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: Balu
      I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president.

      Yesterday, in "Time will tell" - he does not pull on the president. In my opinion, his nomination for him was a complete surprise. He does not have a program, but he has not yet read the one that the Communist Party has.
      In general, the Communist Party signed its complete incapacity. It seems that Zyuganov still pulled the handle of the toilet bowl of history and completely merged the Communists.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 26 December 2017 11: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: Boris55
        He has no program


        There is a program - this is a program of a large national-patriotic bloc of parties. http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/169852/
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 26 December 2017 12: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Metlik
          There is a program - this is a program of a large national-patriotic bloc of parties.

          But for some reason he doesn’t know. I could not answer a direct question from the hosts.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 December 2017 16: 54 New
            0
            Video topic:
        2. psel
          psel 26 December 2017 16: 00 New
          0
          Taki you are absolutely!
    10. Blombirus
      Blombirus 26 December 2017 09: 45 New
      +9
      Grudinin that, Grudinin sho! Either he catches up in edrosia, then he quickly briskly strung on the Communist Karig. Typical rascal. A kind of Figaro. I’ll give everything to everyone! Lukashenko's laurels do not give rest? What did the Selyuks do with Ukraine? What do the Selyuki lead to Belarus? Russia, this is not a collective farm, this is the oldest civilization in the first place. In order to effectively manage such a unique country, you need to be a grandmaster, and not a weather vane-adapter.
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        1. askme
          askme 26 December 2017 13: 31 New
          +6
          Whose mumbled ... The CPSU has been steering and taxiing for 70 years before the collapse of the country. It is only 18 years old. Of which the first eight raked from the abyss, in which it was your fault ... Sit and do not bark. Cleanse karma. To begin with, repent for the collapse of the USSR, which the rats from the CPSU organized — there were no other authorities besides you — all the other parties were cleaned by you, and you drove to complete insanity, to the shaking hands of Yanaev, without any alternative in the country ... Everything is on your conscience hanging, and you bark here, without repentance ....
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 26 December 2017 15: 13 New
            +7
            askme.
            Let those who sold those resources in the 90s, which the army and navy owned, repent.
            what they bought in the west. These people should not only repent, but face trial. And these werewolves still teach people how to live.
            1. woron333444
              woron333444 26 December 2017 16: 24 New
              +5
              nikvic46 These werewolves left the Communist Party and the Komsomol.
          2. 34 region
            34 region 26 December 2017 15: 20 New
            +6
            askme, 13:31. What is 18 years old? Since 1985 can? When did Gorbachev come to power? How did he taxi? How did Sobchak steer? A board in his memory hangs on the house. And who ruined the USSR? Those who are against the ideas of Stalin. Here they seized power. AND? What have they achieved? Rats!? Are Yakovlev and Chubais carriers of communist ideology? Which rats? Whom did they betray? Your ideology? They haven’t sold it at all, and hold on to her teeth today. They are opponents of communist ideas !? But why are they using the principles of communism in their circle and are ready to bite their throats for these ideas? The principle of needs in higher circles is observed sacredly (without any economic justification). The principle of equal responsibility before the law is ignored and elevated to the rank of law. After the arrest of Karimov, Seagull, Gref, Prokhorov (and probably others too) protested against this. In their opinion, persons of this rank are completely not subject to jurisdiction under general laws! And the arrest of people of this rank is bewildering and worrying! And who today enjoys Bavarian beer, sausages and BMW? Who today curses those who refused this on June 22?
            1. askme
              askme 26 December 2017 15: 41 New
              +6
              Hang these snot on your ears - others do not. Fact is a fact. Your Communist Party of the Soviet Union steered until the 1990s. All the leaders who really ruled the country in the 90s, who made all the final decisions in the CIS, are all the party nomenclature of the former CPSU. That is, those people who were grown by the CPSU itself. All your rotten ideology gave birth to those rats that ruined the USSR and staged a bloody massacre on the ruins of the USSR. The rest is lyrics. Therefore, stop flabbering and portray the snot as if the CPSU had nothing to do with it. With all your rotten Communist Party. You have proven yourself. And no one except you is to blame for the collapse of the USSR. The CPSU, its cadres did everything, everything collapsed. Ghouls! Forever do not wash off! And do not you bark at the new government, which in the early 2000s took power at the edge of the abyss in a country torn by you and led the country away from perdition ... It’s not for you to brand it! At first, repent for brainwashing people, and then throwing them in the 90s. Without any remorse! To perdition. Everything is on your conscience. And no Chubais justify you, because you yourself, your cadres brought Chubais to power, you ultimately controlled them. Now snot and hatred come.

              ps Once again: finish barking. All that I wrote is a call to this. And not to hate. This is a call for adequacy and reality, and not for stubborn accusations. You are not in the position to blame someone, because on your part there was no repentance for the insanity of the end of the USSR in which you were guilty, the CPSU itself and the cadres it raised were guilty, because there were no other authorities or other personnel besides you ! You destroyed every alternative for yourself during the 70 years of rule and do not excuse yourself from responsibility for what happened to the USSR!
              1. 34 region
                34 region 27 December 2017 03: 56 New
                +3
                askme, 15:41. What are the leaders of the CPSU of the 90s? Those who later admitted that they joined the CPSU for its destruction from the inside? Gorbachev himself admitted this. And is he a communist !? laughing The Communists staged a bloody massacre? But Yazov did not give orders to the troops. And in Syria, not the Communists are fighting against Assad either. What are the communists ghouls? What created the second economy in the world and encroached on US leadership? The new government took Russia in 2000. And what did you achieve? Where are the successes and growth records of the new housekeeper? What are the scientific and technological achievements of Russia since the 2000s? No time to do science and technology? It is necessary to push the country from the abyss? How? What did Oreshkin say there? All documents for privatizing state-owned enterprises are ready! If there were no elections, trade would have already begun! Besides privatization, is there no alternative? Why does capitalism strangle alternatives to itself? The CPSU did not grow personnel like Gorbachev. It was such shots that penetrated inside and destroyed it from the inside. And such an alternative to the CPSU crawled out. Tolerance destroyed the communists.
                1. askme
                  askme 27 December 2017 05: 53 New
                  +1
                  And after all, it is precisely from such inadequacies and visionaries that the present Communists consist ... People deny self-evident things. For example, the full responsibility of a political party for its rank-and-file members, and even more so for its leadership. And even more so for the course of the party.
                  1. 34 region
                    34 region 27 December 2017 06: 34 New
                    +3
                    askme, 05:53. Well, those who came in the 90s, those realists? Yes, Putin is responsible for his government and satisfied with the work of his government! Is the work of the current government real or is it fantasy? What is the course of our leadership today? Where does Putin lead the country? Why is he silent about this as a partisan? Which swamp are we going to?
                    1. askme
                      askme 27 December 2017 06: 51 New
                      +1
                      And typical manipulation, when the gut is responsible for your words and deeds, is immediately followed by the transfer of arrows to the opponent.

                      And these people are yapping something about their readiness to take responsibility for the country? Let first take responsibility for their BUSINESS in the past. And then too many cunning asses divorced, to translate arrows, to forgive your own mistakes, to remove from yourself, from your party the responsibility for behavior in the past. These cunning asses, these bloodthirsty infantiles, of course, dream of cutting political opponents, as the CPSU cut them out in the USSR for 70 years, while dreaming of relieving themselves of all responsibility for the fate of the USSR, despite the fact that it was the CPSU, the cadres it raised that governed the USSR until the collapse ... at the same time, they obviously also forgive their future "mistakes" ...

                      Go through the forest and that your spirit was not here!
                      1. Metlik
                        Metlik 27 December 2017 11: 20 New
                        +2
                        Quote: askme
                        Let first take responsibility for their BUSINESS in the past

                        I agree with that. If Putin says at the debate, I and no one else are responsible for destroying the heritage of a great country: science, education, healthcare, advanced technologies, industry, etc. I will respect him more.
                      2. 34 region
                        34 region 27 December 2017 12: 40 New
                        +1
                        askme, 06:51. Eco my friend how you suffered however! The Communists in a short time made the country Great! What did the 90s reformers do? Lowered the country! Did they take responsibility? No. They blame everything on an uncle from the West, who must come and do everything right! No, of course they themselves privately tried to play the role of adults. But alas! The child’s mind is not capable of adult judgment. Therefore, all of their private companies are safely and bankrupt. They are like small children asking for help from the audience. Help is provided. And bankruptcy again! And already the president declares publicly about the inefficiency of the state! What do his words mean? The president publicly admits his inability to rule the country! What are the solutions? It is proposed to privatize all state participation. Documents are ready! But here on the nose elections. You cannot privatize. The people will not understand! And what will happen after re-election? Total sale. Already partners are in a hurry, and threatened with sanctions. Do not understand what the elections are on the nose? Stoke your agent? Did the Moor do his thing? So who are the infants here? USSR cut out all the opponents? Where did Gorbachev come from?
                      3. badens1111
                        badens1111 30 December 2017 19: 52 New
                        0
                        Quote: askme
                        Go through the forest and that your spirit was not here!

                        It would be better for you to go somewhere to ventilate, it’s painful for you as a dreamer, as a mass-media-secretary ... So much verbal trash, myths and gossip ..
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      2. Svarog
        Svarog 26 December 2017 13: 11 New
        12
        Quote: BlombiRus
        oh, he catches in edrosia, then briskly strung on the communist Karig

        But nothing that Putin has sworn an oath?)) The loser is Putin with his retinue of oligarchs
        1. north
          north 26 December 2017 14: 42 New
          +2
          What kind of oath? Then all the men who served and who served changed.
          1. tv70
            tv70 28 December 2017 16: 51 New
            0
            Sorry, dear, I didn’t change my oath, as the USSR gave, it didn’t overshoot. The son asked, dad, the war will begin, will you go to fight? Looking with whom son? That I live, all the people, PEOPLE for me, despite the fact that there is no common state for a long time, but in any nation, they were, are and will be. Well, with a probable opponent of my time, no options. Oath!
            1. tv70
              tv70 28 December 2017 16: 52 New
              0
              goats removed
        2. Blombirus
          Blombirus 26 December 2017 16: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: BlombiRus
          oh, he catches in edrosia, then briskly strung on the communist Karig

          But nothing that Putin has sworn an oath?)) The loser is Putin with his retinue of oligarchs

          They would be ashamed to take such a nickname. Why would you take a thread like GOD! Simple and modest, the Almighty you are ours. He pulled out the country's GDP from the next world, where the liberals drove her with party cards to the Communist Party.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 26 December 2017 16: 38 New
            +9
            Quote: BlombiRus
            They would be ashamed to take such a nickname. Why would you take a thread like GOD! Simple and modest, the Almighty you are ours. He pulled out the country's GDP from the next world, where the liberals drove her with party cards to the Communist Party.

            Yes, I pulled it from the other world, I don’t argue that I worked for the first 4 years of norms. But then, he created his oligarchs from his inner circle (his friends) and continued to slowly rob the people, as he likes to do it - slowly)) Yes, and there was oil to help him. As oil fell, so immediately all its achievements surfaced and we are rapidly approaching the 90th. At the same time, Putin is the main liberalist, as he himself has repeatedly said.
            but on Nick’s account, you’ll learn who such a scandal is and what it’s patronizing .. don’t bother me ..
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              1. Svarog
                Svarog 26 December 2017 18: 55 New
                +3
                Quote: BlombiRus
                Ah, what! SWAROG descended to us! And I thought that this is another god Kuzya. Excuse me, O most beautiful, observers. Don't you feel shy? Just like a proctologist at the reception?

                When there is nothing to say in the case, do you always flood? Read for what on this site bans hang dear and continue to open the mouth essentially)
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          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 27 December 2017 09: 22 New
            0
            ABOUT! Did the bazaar go by hairdryer? Petusharu from the bucket has not yet been released!
      3. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 44 New
        +5
        So what? All yesterday's functionaries of the CPSU suddenly became "democrats." Doesn’t resemble anything?
      4. Romey
        Romey 26 December 2017 19: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: BlombiRus
        What do the Selyuki lead to Belarus?

        Well, tell me what Belarus is leading Selyuk to? In all the details. Remembering the lack of democracy.
      5. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 06: 38 New
        +1
        then, under the leadership of the “grandmaster,” we SO thrived, I don’t know whether to buy bread or pay for a communal apartment ...
    11. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 26 December 2017 10: 10 New
      13
      Quote: Balu
      I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking.

      Excuse me, does Ksyusha have it?) Or maybe Medvedev once again with his “strategic” thinking? You see, Americans will merge Syria, but the next one will be banned for an effective increase in tariffs.
      1. Blombirus
        Blombirus 26 December 2017 10: 24 New
        10
        And he advertises iPhones with stupid enthusiasm on his face. Half-wit.
    12. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 26 December 2017 11: 10 New
      +5
      As you know, people absolutely definitely know three things - how to teach, how to treat and how to manage the state.
      One familiar gynecologist argued that the best ways to prevent pregnancy can be heard in line for an abortion.
    13. midivan
      midivan 26 December 2017 11: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking. The maximum is the Prime Minister, but rather let him remain himself. hi

      In elections, he is needed, as they say - for that and pike so that crucian carp does not doze off. yes
    14. Sergey53
      Sergey53 26 December 2017 12: 49 New
      0
      And when to start trying? "Old Man" also began with the collective farm. True, he remained at this level. Ours will be better after all.
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 26 December 2017 15: 32 New
        +3
        Well, in general, according to the standard of living, the Russian strategists of the Belarusian chairman didn’t overtake them especially. You can look at the statistics. And if you start to drive a fool about oil and gas again, you have the same price because it’s small, but there is no overtaking of the ruble, but only penny jerks. And why so with such strategists then?
    15. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 26 December 2017 12: 57 New
      17
      Quote: Balu
      I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking. The maximum is the Prime Minister, but rather let him remain himself.

      And how do you not knowing a person from one of his speeches suddenly determined that he is weak? Was our president non-dim, not weak? And the GDP from “she drowned” is not weak, she will lead the national team under the white flag.
      I explain to you that Grudinin was not initially proposed by the Communist Party at all, but by the PDS NPSR, a broad coalition of non-systemic opposition, which, for coordination with the Communist Party, put forward five candidates Boldyrev, General Sobolev, Ivashov, Grudinin + KVACHKOV!
      At the congress of the PDS NPSR, the Government of the People’s Trust was formed, which the current one is not good even to run for a beer.
      Grudinin goes as a representative of the TEAM.
      The list of government you can easily find on the internet.
      After reading the materials and express your opinion is weak or not.
      Here are two videos for you to familiarize yourself with:

      1. psel
        psel 26 December 2017 16: 34 New
        0
        As they were before the hell of these Potsriots! And here it’s not pi .. but you have to turn over.
    16. Kurochkin
      Kurochkin 26 December 2017 13: 41 New
      11
      And when Lieutenant Colonel Putin was brought to power he had experience ??? I think Grudinin will gain experience faster and accelerate corruption !!!! Need a power shift !!!! Putin is great, but he did his job and now the retinue is holding him in power !!! I think Putin wants to retire and his retinue does not let go, he is afraid of redistribution !!!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 26 December 2017 14: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: Kurochkin
        And when Lieutenant Colonel Putin was brought to power, he had experience

        He was at the regional level, then at the federal level: the head of the FSK, the prime minister.
        Need a change of power !!!

        Of course, only not every 4 years. Look, Trumpampam has not yet assembled a team, how many people have changed, how many blunders and scandals.
        While the new person will delve into the state of affairs, while changing the team, and those will also delve into the affairs ...
        Then the development of a new concept, etc.
        I think Putin wants to retire and his retinue does not let go, he is afraid of redistribution !!!

        This is not the case - GDP holds a sense of duty, not finished business. I think so. Critics of GDP per second represent the amount of work, responsibility and the pace at which GDP works? Is this for every willing chairman of the state farm or any kind of media chicken on the shoulder?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 December 2017 17: 50 New
          +7
          Quote: Balu
          Was at the regional level

          are you talking about case No. 144128?
          Quote: Balu
          Critics of GDP per second represent the amount of work, responsibility and the pace at which GDP works?

          When the Kursk nuclear submarine was drowned, and then, when he arrived in Vedyaevo, he said to sobbing women that everything was “dummy”.
          Quote: Balu
          Is this for every willing chairman of the state farm or any kind of media chicken on the shoulder?

          Grudinin worked for 24 hours.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 26 December 2017 19: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Stroporez
            are you talking about case No. 144128?

            What is this mysterious thing? About when he arrived in Vedyaevo, he said to sobbing women that everything was “dummy” here. no need to repeat other people's words, I saw a completely different fragment when he spoke to relatives.
            1. Giants
              Giants 26 December 2017 21: 53 New
              +5
              Quote: Balu
              What is this mysterious thing?

              a criminal case of fraud and corruption on an especially large scale by members of the Leningrad organized crime group (organized criminal group) under the leadership of V.V. Putin It was necessary to try very hard that during the time of EBN a criminal case was brought to the bureaucrat! But Vova could! The Zaputinites have such a selective memory: here I remember, here - I do not remember.
      2. psel
        psel 26 December 2017 16: 35 New
        0
        Where are you from, identical, who and how much do you pay for selling the Motherland !?
      3. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 28 December 2017 19: 57 New
        +1
        Putin dragged a briefcase from Sobchak! So, his real experience was much less. Adjutant of His Excellency, in a word. But now, oh and oh.
    17. Alber
      Alber 26 December 2017 14: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: Balu
      I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking. The maximum is the Prime Minister, but rather let him remain himself. hi

      Absolutely no president. Apparently, the director of a closed joint-stock company under the name "state farm ..." was helped by him from the Kremlin, or Edrosy ... Billions of money were poured into his joint-stock company from the Russian budget to feed the Kremlin elite. Now he has a state farm millionaire ...
      In this way, a sly-cheated beggar-cheesemaker develops approximately mordenia by the name of Serota.
      Now, if you send him to restore some destroyed collective farm in Birobidzhan, or an area in the Primorsky Territory with killed enterprises, without the help of the Kremlin, then you can look at him as a person. And so he is nobody and his name is nothing
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 2 January 2018 06: 43 New
        +1
        before sending someone somewhere, look at YOURSELF! and what have you achieved? What did you do?
    18. Kokarev Mikhail
      Kokarev Mikhail 26 December 2017 14: 25 New
      +5
      VV is wonderful, but look at him in the 2000th. There he looks much weaker than Grudinin today. We’ll practice a little, PiAr, international law, a good plan to add and the president will succeed, but not today ... in a year or two. Although "do not steal" is a cool slogan, but it’s absolutely not a plan for action. But how not to steal? What not to steal? And what if you have already stolen? How to return? And to whom to return? Oh many questions I have ....
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 26 December 2017 15: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail Kokarev
        Oh many questions I have ....

        All the answers to the questions are on YouTube. https://youtu.be/e1i3VrPtvc8
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 26 December 2017 15: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail Kokarev
        VV is wonderful, but look at him in the 2000th. There he looks much weaker than Grudinin today.

        GDP in 2000 was tougher and harsher than it is now.
        Now it softly stretches, but some people on the bunks are not comfortable sleeping.
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      1. Romey
        Romey 26 December 2017 19: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: GOR_XVII
        Stunned how modern komunyaki fell below a plinth.
        They nominate the modern landowner, capitalist and multimillionaire as their presidential candidates.
        Apparently, the ideas of communism and the principles of socialism are no longer accessible to modern communists.
        This "comrade" owns 40% of the shares and, accordingly, is the owner of a closed joint-stock company, received in the 90s by deceit, blackmail and threats from workers of the former state farm, and in fact is no different from the oligarchs so criticized by the communists. This is not a state farm, but a capitalist enterprise CJSC. And no, he is not the chairman of the state farm, but the owner of factories, ships, etc., in short, bourgeois. Especially remarkable is the fact of his life when he was kicked out of United Russia for nationalistic, rather Nazi statements. Defender of Russians with Jewish roots, how tolerant. Commies "picked up, warmed, robbed." It is especially touching as this Grudinin criticizes the authorities for attracting migrant workers to the country, and he himself uses them as slaves on his plantations.
        Nothing else but a grabber, an adventurer, a brawler, able to splurge about this figure is impossible to say.

        Another fighter for the purity of leftist ideas from the defenders of semi-colonial compradorism. winked
        1. GOR_XVII
          GOR_XVII 28 December 2017 13: 44 New
          0
          Romey, what's wrong with my message? Where in my message is comprador protection?
          Do you even know what it is?
          The stupid illiterate loafers defend the fraudster Grudinin from the rank of Chubais only because he divorced them as suckers, calling his landlord estate "state farm" and even the name of Lenin himself. Commies lied to us for 70 years, though beautifully, and now they continue to lie, only wretchedly and stupidly.
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    21. fa2998
      fa2998 26 December 2017 16: 55 New
      +5
      I’m really looking for a real alternative - let him go, see, listen. If he remains himself the chairman of the collective farm, then we will remain in the elections. Talking about the previous candidates - Sobchak and the company are not decent! hi hi hi
    22. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 27 December 2017 10: 37 New
      +1
      Baloo. +100500. There is no thinking and a clear vision of solving problems that are internal, that external .... hi
    23. Prima
      Prima 28 December 2017 22: 03 New
      +2
      How many state farms we have, those who are engaged in agricultural, but for some reason only Grudinin is doing so well. No one has a simple question, but who is behind it? In the 90s, bandits attacked businessmen, their business, and those who climbed with Grudinin, they soon all disappeared, Luzhkov had complaints to him, and not only him, and everyone quickly moved away. Grudinin works in greenhouse conditions, all investments go to him, the market is huge for him. He is supported by clan-corporate groups that create conditions for business, and which do not care about Russia and the people. And the promotion of Grudinin is only for that, and 20 candidates in general, in order to take away more votes from Putin. Globalists understand that Putin is trying to ensure that the country has gained sovereignty, but this must be prevented so that you can then put pressure on him, which is why they chose a candidate who will divert votes from Putin. It is not just that the slogans go so that Grudinin is the future of 2024, just what the future is. People feed a fairy tale, look at his state farm, so it will be in Russia as a whole. It will not, not for this push it, but to deter Russia, so that Putin could not completely deal with clan corporate groups, the entire Communist Party and others are aimed at the United States, to again give them the full sovereignty of the country that Putin partially won. All bots work for this.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 4 January 2018 21: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Prima
        but for some reason only Grudinin is doing so well

        Earth is expensive. See how many vacancies for realtors are now at the farm them. Lenin.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 4 January 2018 21: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Balu
          Earth is expensive. See how many vacancies for realtors are now at the farm them. Lenin.

          Maybe we’ll look at the Fridmanov. Usmanovs? Something about these "patriots2 you meanly keep quiet. Why so?
          The situation is such that the country, for the first time in 18 years, has a real chance to change the oligarchic regime. And only finished ones can not use it. If we neglect it, it will be something that Khodorkovsky predicts with good reason. And Khodorkovsky is the LIBERAL and Bloody MAIDAN revenge. You still do not understand, or are you pushing for such a finale?
          It seems that in order to completely and convincingly defeat the regime of the entire opposition, one should preserve one's personal ambitions and unite around a single candidate - Grudinin.
          ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/110796/22421/-?utm_sou
          rce = politobzor.net
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 January 2018 21: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: Pancir026
            Quote: Balu
            Earth is expensive. See how many vacancies for realtors are now at the farm them. Lenin.

            Maybe we’ll look at the Fridmanov. Usmanovs? Something about these "patriots2 you meanly keep quiet. Why so?

            IMHO only because none of them claims to be the President of the country in which I, for example, live.
            For a long time, you know, I live, I'm used to it already request
            PS: And the fact that the same Friedman is his own is somehow I know better than you. It was necessary, you see, to cross, in youth yes
            ZZY: Transferring arrows (from Grudinin to Fridman) is a purely trolling technique, by the way.
            Quote: Joke about Little Johnny
            Pancer is not a troll ... Pancer is not a troll? Pancer not a troll ?? !!
            Well, sorry ...
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              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 4 January 2018 21: 46 New
                +4
                Quote: Pancir026
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                in which I, for example, live.

                Right?

                Absolutely yes
                Quote: Pancir026
                Who will win?

                What am I, Wang, or what? An autopsy will show ...
                Quote: Pancir026
                ... your other dogs ...

                This is not my dog. I leaned on them ... laughing
            2. Siban
              Siban 4 January 2018 22: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              ZZY: Transferring arrows (from Grudinin to Fridman) is a purely trolling technique, by the way.
              Well, of course wink who knows if not the fat troll about it bully
              Long ago I heard that your company has moved .. And how do you like in a new place lol ?!
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 6 January 2018 16: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: Siban
                Long ago I heard that your company has moved .. And how do you like in a new place

                And in their new place, the tasks are the same — to lie, distort reality, ban the unwanted.
                Removing a comment that DOES NOT MATCH RULES .. it’s just some kind of unworthy fuss.
    24. Siberian
      Siberian 29 December 2017 14: 57 New
      +2
      better let it remain itself.
      The most true, in my opinion. Since the 14th year (anti-sanctions) I constantly see him and hear in the media. Whining: all lies. To farmers and peasants, everything is unbearable, the state does nothing to help (everyone lies), agriculture is bent, it will only get worse, they did a lot of stupidity. All the time, the same thing as a button on a tape recorder pressed. How and how is he going to be president? How will the EBN call Biden - agree on a course?
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        1. Siberian
          Siberian 5 January 2018 09: 18 New
          +2
          I work in medicine, and I'm not interested in agriculture. I just squeeze in that without the breastbone whining, we have open-air farmer's shops in Novosibirsk, without strawberries, but greens, tomatoes, and cucumbers grown all winter. There have never been so many sausages, butter, cheese, meat (and their derivatives). This is despite the fact that competition from Asia (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan) is huge in terms of assortment and prices. We have a natural product (a big city) and from the Kemerovo region, from Altai, Tyumen, Tomsk region, Omsk. And everywhere without Grudinin do. And without whining. Maybe he really learn in Siberia and the Urals, and not hang around in the suburbs. The country is big. But he doesn’t know ...
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          2. Baloo
            Baloo 5 January 2018 20: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Siberian
            And everywhere without Grudinin do. And without whining. Maybe he really learn in Siberia and the Urals, and not hang around in the suburbs. The country is big. But he doesn’t know ...

            You are absolutely right.
            Firstly, Grudinin’s strawberries are mostly Polish or Turkish, he has established contacts for the supply of this berry through one-day firms. In general, a win-win scheme for profit on stupid consumers.
            Secondly, it is known that the State Farm of Grudinin is far from the state farm. This is an ordinary ZAO, just the oligarch decided to keep the “brand” familiar to Russians who left the USSR. The land is owned by shareholders, among whom there are no ordinary people, and some part of the territory was completely sold.
            There is only one conclusion: the gallant candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is a simple oligarch who aspires to power.
            ➡ Source: https://publizist.ru/blogs/108991/22448/?utm_sour
            ce = politobzor.net

            The secret of popularity is the emphasis on populism. People want not only stability, but also changes for the better, so that laws are enforced, that officials do not abuse and that there are no such incidents as with Karimov, and majors respect the law, and do not spit on it defiantly. hi
    25. Pancir026
      Pancir026 7 January 2018 18: 52 New
      +1
      Judging by the mass of deleted comments for which you have no answers, your "fight against Grudinin has a slightly different dimension.
      It remains to be assumed that the ideological struggle has nothing to do with it.
      All who bring Grudinin to clean water are given an amazingly repeatable argument. All unanimously cried out that he was not a communist at all. Today the liberals have an amazing reaction to the elections - they, it turns out, amicably tackled the purity of the communist ranks. No, to at least pay a little attention to what is happening in their ranks.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 26 December 2017 06: 38 New
    24
    I’ll vote for him. Maybe there’s the only business executive in the entire recent history of Russia who is going to the polls .. But I’m not sure about the real applicant. Now what is the trend in the Russian domestic struggle? Will we raise our production? Most likely not. Here the fight against corruption is YES! Here if they had let in bulk, they would have turned out to be that very dangerous "challenger"
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 December 2017 06: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      they’ll make it, they would turn out to be that dangerous “challenger”

      So what did you have to rewrite under the bulk law, or did you urgently cancel the sentence?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 December 2017 06: 46 New
        +7
        So the law has not been written to him at all ... Like him, for example, with a criminal record, travels freely over a hill.
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: 210ox
        they’ll make it, they would turn out to be that dangerous “challenger”

        So what did you have to rewrite under the bulk law, or did you urgently cancel the sentence?
    2. jonht
      jonht 26 December 2017 06: 52 New
      +2
      So under them it is necessary to change the constitution, in the general contingent there are mostly teenagers from 12 to 18 with a maximum of 21 with rare retirees .... and with a partially diffracted brain ....
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 December 2017 06: 54 New
        17
        These "teenagers with a partially diffracted brain" will be in power in twenty years ... And even earlier. This is to say that if our guides continue only endless blah blah without real results .. then they will wait for These ..
        Quote: jonht
        So under them it is necessary to change the constitution, in the general contingent there are mostly teenagers from 12 to 18 with a maximum of 21 with rare retirees .... and with a partially diffracted brain ....
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 December 2017 11: 32 New
          0
          These “teenagers with a partially diffracted brain” will be in power in about twenty years ... They won’t, and .. that’s where the path is closed, they will have another fate for them - the scum of society.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 26 December 2017 18: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          These "teenagers with a partially diffracted brain" will be in power in twenty years ... Or even earlier

          That you just noticed, here is our liberal education and upbringing in our country ..
      2. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 08: 05 New
        +5
        Oh, but don’t ...
        Full of adult educated people for him, I personally know one.
        In Moscow, he received 630 thousand goals in the mayoral election, if I'm not mistaken of course.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 26 December 2017 08: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      Maybe the only business executive in the entire recent history of Russia is going to the polls .. But I’m not sure about the real applicant. Now what is the trend in the Russian domestic struggle? Will we raise our production? Most likely not. That's the fight against corruption, YES! would turn out to be that dangerous "contender"

      There is an even more urgent problem - external threats. Therefore, the President of the Russian Federation must have, in addition to legal and economic education, the profession of defending his homeland. I do not see an alternative to GDP yet. Grudinin looks older than his age, a bad sign (in terms of performance), gestures, self-doubt. The rest is a real candidate for the post of prime minister.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 December 2017 09: 15 New
        10
        Defend the profession of the Motherland? And what about Shoigu? How did the nods go when he had the same GDP and the Kremlin’s seven kept him?. About Donbass? When did all evil spirits kill Russian people?
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: 210ox
        Maybe the only business executive in the entire recent history of Russia is going to the polls .. But I’m not sure about the real applicant. Now what is the trend in the Russian domestic struggle? Will we raise our production? Most likely not. That's the fight against corruption, YES! would turn out to be that dangerous "contender"

        There is an even more urgent problem - external threats. Therefore, the President of the Russian Federation must have, in addition to legal and economic education, the profession of defending his homeland. I do not see an alternative to GDP yet. Grudinin looks older than his age, a bad sign (in terms of performance), gestures, self-doubt. The rest is a real candidate for the post of prime minister.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 26 December 2017 09: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          Defend the profession of the Motherland? And what about Shoigu? How did the nods go when he had the same GDP and the Kremlin’s seven kept him?. About Donbass? When did all evil spirits kill Russian people?

          The zone of responsibility of GDP and Shoigu is not the whole world, but Russia. The dead "vacationers" and "volunteers" were buried throughout the country, who knows how many of them?
          Sending people to death is not an easy thing.
          Once again, I emphasize: the zone of responsibility of GDP and MO-Russia.
          1. twviewer
            twviewer 26 December 2017 14: 24 New
            +2
            Once again, I emphasize: the zone of responsibility of GDP and MO-Russia.

            and so long ago? Is Russia an island or rather a planet? and the Russian in France is no longer a citizen and it is not necessary to protect him ??
            or only Karimov who, according to the law, has in. citizenship \ residence permit and senator that could not be?
            and nakoy president diplomas without strategic thinking? so that Minsk plans on the knee were more convenient to write ??
            Well, a little about the rhetoric that you suddenly nicknamed self-doubt:
      2. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 26 December 2017 11: 17 New
        +5
        Quickly change your mind, this means that tell a lie. that is, according to your president, he does not deserve “he doesn’t know how to defend his homeland,” but he can be prime minister, because you can trade your homeland at this post.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 26 December 2017 13: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
          Quickly change your mind, this means that tell a lie.

          belay I don’t know how to answer stupid things, I carefully read you, what else?
    4. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 11: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      Maybe the only business executive in the entire recent history of Russia is going to the polls ..

      But I’ve never heard of such a state farm and its leader. Do you think I'm the only one? Do Muscovites know everything about this state farm?
      But everyone knows about Sobchak!
      I mean, "How can a person be considered at such a post, which not everyone knows about?"
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  3. apro
    apro 26 December 2017 06: 53 New
    11
    Is there an alternative to Grudinin? I think not. It’s a nationally oriented capitalist. Although it’s kind of a country man. He doesn’t reject capitalism. He adapted to it. They are close to Potapeko.
    Does he want to support him? I think so. At this stage it is necessary.
    1. passing
      passing 26 December 2017 09: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: apro
      Is there an alternative to Grudinin? I think not. It’s a nationally oriented capitalist. Although it’s kind of a country man. He doesn’t reject capitalism. He adapted to it. They are close to Potapeko.
      Does he want to support him? I think so. At this stage it is necessary.

      They are all capitalists, at this stage there is no possibility of returning to the USSR. Now we need to change the constitution, strictly observe the principle of equality before the law and the inevitability of punishment. Which of the candidates can actually accomplish this, unfortunately no one
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 December 2017 12: 02 New
      0
      Quote: apro
      it is a nationally oriented capitalist. although peculiar. with a village vein
      This reminded me of an excerpt from the movie "Piranha Hunt", where the hero of Mironov, having arrived in the Old Believer’s village, changed his talk - he began
    3. psel
      psel 26 December 2017 16: 40 New
      0
      . It is a nationally oriented capitalist. So you are right, he is a Jewish nationally oriented capitalist. What about me? Let him try to break into the Israeli Knesset!
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 27 December 2017 10: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: psel
        So you are right, he is a Jewish nationally oriented capitalist. What about me? Let him try to break into the Israeli Knesset!

        Well, damn it, the record to the gramophone tightly stuck. What else can you say, dear?
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 December 2017 06: 56 New
    +9
    Everything is clear with the election result. But Grudinin is a good alternative. True, we know little about him.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 26 December 2017 07: 12 New
      +7
      Well, but, if, in his election program, in his future activities, he undertakes to introduce the concept of “enemy of the people”, with all the ensuing consequences, then this will probably add great votes to him.
      And, as a consequence of this: the death penalty of embezzlers, corrupt officials at the highest echelons of power, deprivation of citizenship, confiscation ...
      For heavy articles of the Criminal Code, execute or life imprisonment for "northern work" (hard labor), and not be supported by the state, and then released for relapse ...
      Then the Russian people will see their desire to improve the society, the country and the state apparatus. Wake up, so to speak.
      1. psel
        psel 26 December 2017 16: 41 New
        0
        Such a self is the "enemy of the people" for a Jew.
    2. Vladimir K
      Vladimir K 26 December 2017 09: 10 New
      +4
      On the results: Trump did not believe in the victory either. Wait and see. There is a struggle between balabol, some koker, loafers - on the one hand, and real creators, workers - on the other.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 26 December 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir K
        On the results: Trump did not believe in the victory either.

        They have an original election system. The bunch of people who makes the choice can be bought, well, or intimidated.
        We also have an original election system ... but, differently
        1. Vladimir K
          Vladimir K 26 December 2017 14: 51 New
          0
          There was no screech in the media about the intimidation or the purchase; they dumped it on Russia, so your arguments are not true.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 27 December 2017 06: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Vladimir K
            There was no screech in the media about the intimidation or the purchase; they dumped it on Russia, so your arguments are not true.

            So these are not conclusions, but thoughts. But you are so categorical in vain. Or did you sit in the campaign headquarters of Trump?
            They will give me a couple of million dollars and I will be mute like a fish. And if you intimidate your family? Will you scream? I am not saying that I am right. So ... thoughts out loud ...
  5. Knowing
    Knowing 26 December 2017 06: 58 New
    +4
    However, it is not enough to be able to plow and to be a business executive, because the President is the HEAD of the State with all the consequences ... Let him be the Minister of Agriculture, experience is on a slightly different scale, but the profile is the same. We are consonants. repeat
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 26 December 2017 09: 26 New
      +4
      Apparently which head is the state. This chapter certainly does not deprive itself and friends.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 26 December 2017 12: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Apparently which head is the state. This chapter certainly does not deprive itself and friends.

        Under Khrushchev, they were "carried away" by corn, and now, in the future, "strawberry"?
        1. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 46 New
          +1
          And under Khrushchev, Cuba was dragged out of the sphere of influence of the United States
        2. sapporo1959
          sapporo1959 30 December 2017 20: 33 New
          0
          Well, for some reason, you also missed the period of hobby for competitions and championships.
    2. psel
      psel 26 December 2017 16: 43 New
      0
      He doesn’t plow like that, he pawned all the chocolate and sits on a percentage — a sort of Abramovia much lower for Forbes.
  6. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 26 December 2017 07: 04 New
    +9
    Quote: Balu
    I looked at him at the meeting place, rather weak for the president. He does not have strategic thinking. The maximum is the Prime Minister, but rather let him remain himself. hi

    Well, you didn’t see or know the previous ones. So what? And, here and now you have a real choice.
    And by the way, strategies and tactics are learned, not born with it. Yes, and the article clearly states what and how, who is / was who.
    Some kind of ridiculous comment you got. As if the choice depends on your opinion and you decide on the appointment of a candidate.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 26 December 2017 08: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Pax tecum
      Some kind of ridiculous comment you got. As if the choice depends on your opinion and you decide on the appointment of a candidate.

      Sorry that yours had not read before, otherwise you would have abstained.
  7. svp67
    svp67 26 December 2017 07: 16 New
    +3
    Pavel Grudinin: a real alternative to the election
    But not in the 2018 elections ... In the next - it is quite possible that there is just time to gain "political weight" and knowledge ....
  8. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 December 2017 07: 17 New
    +7
    Here the authors very much recalled Father But. Only now they forgot to develop the topic: as he was the chairman of the state farm, he didn’t rise above, we will be objective. But the country did not collapse just because it promptly orientated itself in priorities, choosing Russia as a backup.
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 26 December 2017 11: 33 New
      +8
      But you forgot to say that this “Father’s” didn’t shoot at his parliament, saved the KGB and the police, didn’t dismantle a single factory, didn’t ruin a single collective farm, didn’t change the colors of the Flag, didn’t fight with his own people, didn’t let him plunder army property, and much more did not give anything. He gave his people the main thing, law and order, work and prosperity, Unlike some of the Old Men, cellists and governors do not buy yachts, and they do not build palaces in New York ...
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 26 December 2017 11: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
        Unlike some, the Old Man,

        Unlike the Old Man, Russia will leave, the Old Man will leave and begin
        Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
        cellists and governors do not buy yachts, and they do not build palaces in New York ...

        So
        Quote: inkass_98
        But the country did not collapse just because it promptly orientated itself in priorities, choosing Russia as a backup.

        hi
        1. Sergey Cojocari
          Sergey Cojocari 26 December 2017 22: 27 New
          +1
          And what did the “orientation toward Russia” give him? As soon as the Kremlin once again has the illusion of mutual understanding with its Western colleagues, Belarus immediately roughly moves aside, and after the next “Kremlin Kremlin sucker”, they immediately recall the Old Man. Here it is, as they say, and spins like "in a frying pan." Now about what if "Russia leaves". There is a good example, DPRK. Around industrial and military monsters, the States are embittered by the impotence of "bring democracy", and yet the country exists.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 26 December 2017 12: 55 New
        +1
        I returned the flag, I agree. But almost the entire economy is focused on Russia, and industries that Belarus itself does not need, such as the MZKT, are on the verge of survival only because they do not want to sell them to us, and there are practically no other consumers of products. And what will happen if KAMAZ completely occupies this niche?
        And prosperity, no offense to the inhabitants of Belarus, was very modest and was based on the ability to trade in oil, gas and processed fuel received from the Russian Federation at low prices. Well, a small gesheft on sanctioned goods should not be forgotten.
        1. Sewer krainiy
          Sewer krainiy 26 December 2017 16: 19 New
          +5
          But almost the entire economy is focused on Russia, and industries that Belarus itself does not need, such as the MZKT, are on the verge of survival only because they do not want to sell them to us, and there are practically no other consumers of products.
          Somehow, it’s not quite right ... In Soviet times, Belarus was the assembly shop of the Union, therefore, after its collapse, all the industries and agriculture that are currently working were hardly preserved. Those. give jobs and jobs to related enterprises outside Belarus (tractor, MAZ, BELAZ, the same MKTZ, and others). The products go not only to Russia, BELAZ works all over the world. As for the MKTZ, please buy tractors ... but your oligarchs wanted to grab a plant on the cheap. Sorry, Uralkali taught us.
          Well, why be offended, wealth is really modest, but permanent. And not only due to the ability to trade oil.
          And as for the sanctioned gesheft - that's how they catch us, and you catch them. Crime knows no boundaries.
          I like "shrimp from the Belarusian sea" ... as soon as they are cited as an example. So, for information, nobody forbade purchasing over the hill and processing sanctioned products with subsequent export. Brest - "Santa Bremor", in Grodno - a shrimp processing enterprise (already, in my opinion). Something like that.
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      4. Plead
        Plead 26 December 2017 17: 41 New
        0
        And lives at the expense of Russia ...
    2. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 26 December 2017 13: 48 New
      0
      And who to choose? Poland will not give a lot of dough, the United States also will still have control over what it has spent. But Russia does not care for control. Spend as you want the main thing is to fulfill our conditions
  9. engineer74
    engineer74 26 December 2017 07: 27 New
    +1
    I would like to believe, but "Trick 22" is recalled ....
  10. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 26 December 2017 07: 38 New
    +1
    I also read an article from Kommersant with some kind of "darling" everything seems to be right and "care" under the law on people, but as you know, "well-intentioned ...".
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 26 December 2017 07: 47 New
    +6
    One embarrassing thing, the former United Russia party, then there was a story when he asked Zhirinovsky with all his household in the Liberal Democratic Party to write down, now he is a single nominee from the left forces, if he throws him so politically .. How will he be “thrown” when the president becomes ..... Puppet pulling the strings .. They are all puppets in dexterous and strained hands .. Eh .. elections, elections ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 26 December 2017 08: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      .Dolls are pulled by threads

      He has already stated at the Venue that Zyuganov will head the council for the implementation of the program.
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 4 January 2018 22: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Balu
        He has already stated at the Venue that Zyuganov will head the council for the implementation of the program.

        So what?
        we look at the Programs of the last elections. ER, LDPR and SR, what do we see? Can we still recall the manifesto of EP? From which they are now denied as hell from incense?
        And we see from 70 to 90% of the stolen text from the Communist Party program, the only difference is that neither the EP nor its spoilers did not fulfill what they promised. And these, the Communist Party and the NPSR, can and will.
    2. psel
      psel 26 December 2017 16: 46 New
      +2
      Typical Jewish prohindkey.
    3. Plead
      Plead 26 December 2017 17: 39 New
      +2
      Six Grudinin and all, but six with Ace's ambitions ...
  12. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 26 December 2017 07: 52 New
    +7
    Obviously, Grudinin will not become president. At least in the election of-18. But the change that has occurred on the left, I hope, will force the right flank to be updated, today almost entirely usurped by the Nazis and fundamentalists. It would be extremely good if, in the next six years, sane conservative, liberal, nationalist and Christian-democratic forces will recover and occupy their niche in the political system.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 26 December 2017 08: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Obviously, Grudinin will not become president.

      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      It would be extremely good if, in the next six years, sane conservative, liberal, nationalist and Christian-democratic forces will recover and occupy their niche in the political system.

      The most objective and realistic koment.
      And yet, my sympathies are on the side of people professionally trained to defend their homeland, with an economic and legal education, with successful experience and achievements in the civil service of at least regional level. hi
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 26 December 2017 11: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Balu
        And yet, my sympathies are on the side of people who are professionally prepared to defend their homeland, with an economic and legal education, with successful experience and achievements in the civil service of at least regional level

        Where to find them?
        Of the old cadres, it means returning to a planned economy, and this implies the presence of industry and the state economy, which has not remained. Yes, and the people were so brainwashed that only the mention of a return to the basics of Soviet farming would immediately lead to a convulsive reflex: "But they haven’t confiscated anything from me yet?"
        True, under the current policy of the authorities, devaluations, defaults and simple robbery of the population by “effective” tariffs are for some reason not considered by the population as confiscation).
        Of the new cadres, this means the continuation of global oversight of the remnants of the national economy of the IMF, WTO, etc., with the help of the nestlings of the HSE in the field, with the continued transfer of resources from Russian subsoil to the banks of "partners".
        But the main thesis of their economic policy is: “Nothing personal, just business”!) In which social policy is not a priori included in the expenditure agenda. From there, a triple "transport" tax and toll roads and "free" electricity tariffs, according to Chubais.
        So which specialists do you prefer, because they are all professionals in their field?)
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 26 December 2017 14: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Where to find them?

          Those who replaced the governors have a reserve. They all have specialized legal and economic education, a civil service academy and not only young people who have successful experience in public service or business.
      2. Pancir026
        Pancir026 4 January 2018 22: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Balu
        conservative, liberal, nationalist, and Christian-democratic forces.
        The most objective and realistic koment.

        What are you ... And who is it with us as part of these "sane" -can you list?
        Quote: Balu
        And yet, my sympathies are on the side of people professionally trained to defend their homeland, with an economic and legal education, with successful experience and achievements in the civil service of at least regional level.

        Oh .. so the Communists from the Communist Party do not have them? But are you ... really surprised that you are not aware that there are quite a few, including in the kachets of governors and mayors of large cities.
        In the environment of those. Who make up the NPSR, is there no one? Well, well ... but where is it?
        Judging by your enthusiasm. From liberals these are tithes with a girik, well, just the same "wonderful" managers .. from conservatives with a liberal douche, Isaev with Makarov, from nationalists a pan with a cane, and from "Christian Democrats", what a whim, in general some sort of ecumenist like Illarion? Eh no .. enough of these experiments already ..
    2. fiberboard
      fiberboard 26 December 2017 09: 02 New
      +4
      Yeah, after the RONS is defeated, the other right in the regions forbidden what you want. MOTHERLAND is actually beheaded after election success. Duma adopts anti-extremist laws against whom? Where is Baburin? So different gentlemen make up the right flank, it’s convenient to show and speak - choose, they will pour blood all over the country .. And then comes Kandalaksha, Butovo, Petukhovo and so on.
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 4 January 2018 22: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: fiberboard
        RONS

        Only the fascists we lacked ...
        Quote: fiberboard

        MOTHERLAND actually beheaded after election success

        What are you ... her non-current leader cried out that the "homeland" along with ER. Rescuers were found ...
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 26 December 2017 09: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      ... conservative thinkers ...

      Those who have everything in chocolate may dream of fixing the current state of affairs in the country, but out of a significant minority compared with those who are not happy with this.
    4. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 26 December 2017 09: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      But the change that has occurred on the left, I hope, will force the right flank to be updated, today almost entirely usurped by the Nazis and fundamentalists.

      Well, actually Grudinin already, is a single candidate from the Communist Party and PDS NPSR hi
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 December 2017 10: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        ... is a single candidate from the Communist Party and PDS NPSR

        Yeah. Papa Zyu’s seams at all ...
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 30 December 2017 21: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Yeah uzhzhzh

          Buzz buzz, only here is your buzz sign of confusion.
    5. andrew42
      andrew42 26 December 2017 16: 15 New
      0
      "conservative, liberal, nationalist, and Christian-democratic forces," is this an hour not from the German alignment? We actually live in Russia. Of all the clumsy clichés listed above, only the “conservative” ones cannot count for swearing. And then, the question is, "canned" what kind of socio-political system do they want to preserve? Conservatives WHAT exactly? How we are accustomed to enduring different cliches in the language for hundreds of times, without delving into the essence of the subject, shifting and eroding the concepts! a nightmare.
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 26 December 2017 21: 19 New
        0
        Conservatives WHAT exactly?

        Cucumbers and mushrooms winked as well as traditional human values, national culture and the natural path of development of society and the state.
    6. psel
      psel 26 December 2017 16: 46 New
      0
      I’ll tell you the same and the left and right Nazi Zionists.
    7. Plead
      Plead 26 December 2017 17: 37 New
      0
      There is no change on the left! There is stagnation and grace, the brain is filled with fat! We found a Cossack girl on the collective farm with ambitions and high self-esteem!
  13. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 26 December 2017 08: 11 New
    +3
    Of course I like Grudilin and now it makes sense to go to the March 18 elections. But the farther, the more doubt creeps in, and not the tricky move of the “Kremlin”, so that the elections look more legitimate ?! Well, firstly, the percentage of those who "torn off their ass" will increase. Secondly,% of the “opposition” will be “consolidated”, not “blurred”.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 26 December 2017 09: 29 New
      +1
      I think it’s not worth going to the polls. Create a crisis of power in the country so that Putin and the government and the opposition stir!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 26 December 2017 10: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        I think it’s not worth going to the polls. Create a crisis of power in the country so that Putin and the government and the opposition stir!

        Dvizhuhi wanted extremal-informal? Pensioners and large families need a crisis, they just sleep and see. I’ll go along with the police to drive the maydauns and lovers to arrange crises. fool angry angry
        1. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 26 December 2017 10: 30 New
          16
          They forgot to write about the "boat" that cannot be "rocked". And the fact that the people in this boat are knee-deep in "shit" is that how? From the "zombies" they say one thing about the growth of the economy and how year by year we become better off. But in life everything is different. I remember very well the end of the 70s, 80s and 90s. Everything begins to repeat and this is alarming. Some oligarchs changed to others. Give advice on what to do when an official on TV declares that the average salary of a doctor in the country is 50 thousand, and my wife with 20 years of experience and a category 1 doctor receives 25 thousand with four shifts per month, this