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MIC and MAT. Results of the year

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As promised many times, I am writing material on the reforms of the Ukrainian military industrial complex, the army and the transfer of equipment to the APU for 2017 a year. All data is collected from public sources, rumors in the media and private conversations, do not apply to documents with admission, special importance or for internal use.

So, let's go.

Particular attention, like last year, is paid aviation and air defense. For many reasons. Mostly, of course, because if the Russian Federation has another “coercion to peace” combed out, then aviation and cruise missiles are the only ones that have not yet been used in eastern Ukraine.

And in the Russian Federation in the air and on the PRTR, there is still a tangible advantage that cannot be neutralized by calling for a reserve component, as is the case with ground forces. The superiority is not only in numbers, but also in the generations between the newest sides (Su-30 is 4 +), performance characteristics, launch range or a possible review of on-board radar. Taking into account these moments, large-scale work is underway - officially Su-27 and Mig-29 were transmitted during the celebration of Independence Day, and there were data on the arrival of fighters in brigades. Plus cars, restored by the forces of technical and operational parts. Airplanes sent for repair and restoration are regularly flashed, the same onboard 56 SU-27 PM1, which was shipped in August, or two “fresh” onboard 12 and 21, which were photographed in a killed state during transportation to MiGremont ".

Approximately in 2017-m eight to ten fighters were transferred to the troops. Today, spotters on the photo and video recorded 36 Su-27 and 46 Mig-29 of various modifications, including combat training. 85 flying fourth generation fighter. These are four abbreviated regiments. For a second, the Polish Air Force is the 48 F-16C / D, plus the 32 MiG-29. Suddenly 80 pieces. The same class (F-16 in the “Block 52 +” variant of course has a more modern radar, plus the ability to reset adjustable bombs and additional tanks). True, given that Poland spends three times more on defense - it is worthwhile to realize what kind of titanic work Ukraine is doing for such a modest price. After all, this is not just a repair and gradual budget modernization - this is training pilots, this is the restoration of airfields, this is the infrastructure for aviation commandant's offices, these are commonplace canteens for flight crews, an increase in spending due to flight hours and the generated glider life, many of which are already on 25-30 years old. Money, money and money. And at the same time, we already contain an aviation group larger than each of the countries of Eastern Europe, although a year and a half ago the spotters had confirmed numbers by about 20% less. Big step forward.

The average flight time of a pilot is up to 48-50 hours. This is a bit, but there are nuances. We do not need to conduct a deep aviation operation, break through the air defense system for hundreds of kilometers. The task of the Air Force of Ukraine is to stop the enemy air offensive over its territory. The whole logic of what is happening is subordinated to this task - the reconstruction of the runway in Chernivtsi (now the practice of military and civilian sharing is widely used in Ukraine), the transfer of the 204 brigade from Kulbakino to Lutsk, which revived the airfield in Uman, summer exercises of fighters in Cherkasy. To disperse the boards, not to allow the enemy to disable them with the first strike, to force him to enter the operational depth - the long-term goal of all these movements.

MIC and MAT. Results of the year


All the legends that it is possible to completely suppress air defense, remove aviation from the game and paralyze the control of only PTRK or cruise missiles, the practice rejects - on the same base Shairat in Syria was released before 60 "Tomahawks." How long did it start to function? In a few days. Because under any fire impact there will always be an underground fuel depot or a buried tank, unaffected caponiers, and driving tankers or repairing the lane is not the highest mathematics. In Serbia, they launched under a thousand cruise missiles, but still had to go into operational depth and conduct thousands of missions with a bomb load, produce hundreds of special ammunition against radar stations, and suppress jammers in quantities from 20-25% of all sorties.

And here we have a working scenario in case of an aggravation - to force the enemy's air force to change speed, train, maneuver, so that it falls into the zone of air defense action. It does not matter - by visual channel, by external target designation of the radar station or by the regular means of the divisions, target acquisition will be conducted. Spread out over dozens of airfields and even sections of the highway, take off, start a landfill and drag “guests” into prepared shooting areas and ambushes. That the northern neighbor was coordinating - we saw during the storming of the IG Palmyra and the battles in the area of ​​the artillery academy in Aleppo, when the militants in sneakers took positions from the mechanized units on the defensive side - how "quickly" and "effectively" VKS responded. Therefore, 48 flight hours are enough to have the skill, but not to kill the glider's resource and money for the flight hour. All the same, as in the case of aggravation, and for restraint, the main work will fall on the shoulders of air defense, where a lot of products were also shipped to 2017.

Four C-300 PS (launchers 5P85С) were transferred to Independence Day, and 2-3 SAM also flashed by orders for medium repair and restoration. By the most optimistic alignment, we are now on alert to the 30 divisions of the C-300 PS \ PT, plus in the 201, the anti-aircraft missile regiment was transferred to the restored C-300 B - an excellent complex in our conditions, despite the absence of one of the new versions rockets. Work was under way to rebuild Bukov, there were flashes of overhaul contracts for something in the area of ​​two divisions, but we have minus Georgia there and minus lost XRUMPs in Crimea (their number is now physically close to the maximum). Two new OC regiments were raised, each with two divisions - partly from grass and storage bases, partly from the parks of two other regiments (two or three cars were transmitted at official events, and routinely without a pump from the media). Well, they actively brought back to normal “Shilka” and “Tunguska”, not to mention serious quantities of small anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS shipped to the troops.

The course was taken as correct as possible - upgrading Os, Strel-10 and Tungusok under the figure (Ukrradarproekt plus joint programs with the Poles), and engine recharging and maintenance work for Soviet medium-range complexes. As shown by numerous control starts, the engines operate smoothly and smoothly, the aviation P-27, under the 200, which were “filed with a file” in the 2016, also “leave” without any surprises. News that Ukraine has earned a closed loop for reloading solid propellant rocket motors - one of the best for 2017 a year. Both the shooting in Bulgaria and the mass shooting in Aleksandrovka show us that in the coming years the question of “whether Ukraine’s air defense has rotted or there is gunpowder” is guaranteed to be closed: more 2 thousands of missiles for reloading and modernization are a good start for the future .



The gradual restoration of the Torah regimental kit from storage, experiments with multichannel C-125 M can be criticized to the point of frenzy, but now we don’t have any money for R & D, no funds for purchasing Western air defense systems, or a lot of time. And it is a great success that there are capacities and a reserve for the restoration of the USSR reserves - that these missiles were not cut into needles and they were not transferred for another piece of "guarantees" that factories remained where they could upgrade their heads or re-equip the engine. Well, and that the transfer to the army of the upgraded Radar Malakhit, Iskra continues to bring the three-dimensional radar 80K6T Pelikan to mind, magnetrons and spare parts for in-flight repair are ordered - the 6-8 radar is transferred and returned to service in a year. The main thing to remember is that our enemy in the event of an aggravation is not a Coalition, which produces thousands of guided munitions and 80 thousand tons of bombs and missiles on Iraq - Russians will not have hundreds of missiles in one launch, there will not be 25% of DRLO aircraft departures and jammers, there will be no 300-400-500 beads simultaneously in several waves. They will have to either work from maximum heights with the risk of hitting their troops on LBS and destroying buildings, or descending under the fire of small anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS, or keeping outside the radius of air defense and “spamming” with cruise and tactical missile launches. In which the circular deviation of probable under 80 meters and they do not always fall into the sheds in Syria. Any massive use of aviation by the Russians, “Iskander” or “Calibrov” in the context of Ukrainian development would mean an immediate tightening of sanctions on the maximum, the cessation of gas transit to the EU, the most severe political pressure. Our investments in air defense are precisely a long-term strategy of deterrence, as well as work on the Ukrainian “missile shield” - a pill that the enemy did not plan to launch the next phase of the invasion, just roughly estimating the price.

Many have criticized the Ukrainian authorities for not having built a plant on small arms ammunition. arms, a problem is brewing on the NSVT machine guns, there are dozens of other issues, from the same sanitary armored vehicles or front-line transporters to digital communications at the battalion level and below. But here, too, there are nuances - the same consumables for small arms can be purchased in the former Warsaw Pact countries (which, judging by the numerous markings of Bulgaria, Romania and the Czech Republic on zinc and boxes, is being actively done), cars come here as part of international assistance, Soviet machine guns shipped through the Baltic countries. And who will sell us adjustable missiles with special warheads around Tornadoes 70? No one. Do we have the means to buy and has a political decision been made in the West to sell anti-ship and operational-tactical complexes here? Of course not. An honest answer in both cases will be - no.



Therefore, Turkish equipment is being purchased to build 300-mm missiles at Artem DAKH, tenders for the purchase of raw materials and materials have already flashed, there are reports of the start of the transfer of ammunition to the troops. The priority in fairly limited funding is quite obvious. And the news about the testing of the PTRK “Thunder” in a year, and the acceleration of work on the “Neptune”, and the beginning of the serial production of “Alder” are all links in one chain. Hiding the depth of the air defense system from the depths and rapidly changing positions, delivering strikes at stationary objects and infrastructure - fuel depot, emergency stations, communication centers, gearboxes, parks in RPM, surveillance radars, stop amphibious assault forces. All that will not allow the enemy to go to the operating room and fill us with impunity with their missiles. Do not expect a miracle - between R & D, development and series in the army for a few more years, and the cost of upgrading the "Tornado" and one volley will be quite high. This is not a miracle weapon of retaliation, but one of the elements of deterrence. But there is no other way for Ukraine for financial and political reasons.



Ground forces are consistently encouraging in terms of increased capabilities. In addition to transferring two tank battalions T-64 BV and T-72 in several modifications on Independence Day, there were also planned shipments - in the summer, the acquisition of equipment for tank brigades of the reserve corps was completed, apparently, in each operational command, as of 2017, there is a tank brigade in the state. Part of the "Bulatov" in an incomplete configuration from combat units was sent for revision - dynamic protection "Knife", engine, sights. Walkie-talkies are being actively put on (another delivery of "Harris" has arrived, sets are being purchased from the Turks). The 30th brigade was shipped BMP-2 instead of their "kopecks" in one of the units, the 81st brigade partially moved from the BTR-70 and surrogate MTLB to "kopecks", in March the BTR-3 were transferred, the delivery of the Kozak-2 armored vehicle began "In the Armed Forces of Ukraine - about 15 pieces were noticed in open sources, but judging by the fact that Praktika's workshops work in three shifts, their number in the White Book can be a pleasant surprise.

Launched by the Korsar ATGM and under the 80 missiles to it, they continue to actively buy Stugna and 500-600 RC-2С per year - for the current stage of the conflict, there is enough headroom, 60-70 launches per month were done in Syria at the peak of the war during the storming of Aleppo. The troops entered 400 vehicles - special in the format of tanks and tankers, repair shops, sanitary, passenger and cargo. Production of 23-mm guns was mastered, more than 250 30-mm guns were handed over, “Grads”, at least six “Hurricanes”, self-propelled guns in therapeutic quantities, cannon artillery from storage were transferred, there are several modernization programs, for example, the same “Bastion” or works over the "Hurricanes", is being implemented ASU "Obolon", GIS "Arta", "Nettle". The number of mortars produced from 120 to 60 mm is calculated in three-digit numbers.



And, of course, the main thing for today is not only technology. The same Russians in 2017 conducted about 100 battalion exercises for fifty of their brigades in the ground forces. In the APU - 107, this is in view of the fact that a third of the 20 + combined brigade is located in the ATO or in points of permanent dislocation, recovering from performing tasks on the battle line. In the assault troops on the 7 brigades - 23 BTU, and in the Navy for one coastal defense brigade and separate battalions - as many as 34. Even a person far from the army will consider something interesting here. For example, the second part of the reserve, not called up to the line units, but in “doubles”, which are built on the basis of the reserve body or out of state, because it is physically impossible to conduct four dozen battalion maneuvers in the same units of the Navy. In total, with territorial defense, separate groups and teams, mobilization of reserve officers and direct conscription to combat units in 2017, the training of the reserve component involved 80 thousands of people. An impressive figure against the background of recent mobilizations in 30-50 thousands.



Two complexes of the Mandat electronic warfare were put in, capable of clogging communications, interfering with decimeter radar, blocking the command channels of the homing heads of the missiles. The 20 kits of various tactical UAVs arrived, Polish patrol ammunition is being actively purchased, their production is localized in Chernigov, where they are trying to double the weight of the warhead. In general, the classical containment strategy works - separation of air defense and radar fields, creating a network of alternate aerodromes, emergency radar control stations and complexes to indicate the target of air defense, re-launch missiles, preparing a large-scale call for a backup component in the event of an exacerbation and resolving flow moments in parts of maintenance (repair regiments, automobile battalions, communications, bringing the subunits to their regular strength). Once again - only deterrence. The advantage of separation, depth, three lines of equipped engineering positions, minefields and air defense works only in active defense. And the enemy has regular units of the 20 Army and 1TA, powerful post-Soviet air defense, a considerable amount of barreled artillery and samovars, plus a long eastern border and an isthmus — work so that they quietly expire gold reserves under the sanctions and portrayed the miners without aircraft, and did not try to stir up aggravation, many more. And, in my opinion, they quite clearly formulated their policy in terms of not being allowed to finish the puppet "republics" by force of arms - there will be either a stalemate with bloody fuss, or another round, where the Cossacks are no longer on that side either, Igor Ivanovich and several BTGr.



Yes, we have never purchased a digital connection for three brigades at once, but now they buy and localize Turkish production at the same time. Yes, a couple of years ago in Ukraine 30-mm ammunition, mortar mines were not produced, there were no 60-mm mortars as a class, there was no VOG, 152-mm shells, and now small series are produced. Yes, we are one of a dozen countries on the planet that have a cycle to create radars capable of monitoring the air situation on 350 km in terms of interference. Ukraine is among the few countries capable of producing tank guided missiles, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces receive them for a couple of hundred a year. Began active development of thermobaric ammunition, disposable grenade launchers, the purchase and development of mobile equipment for electronic warfare against the UAV. International assistance continues to actively enter: small arms are sent to the brigade through the same Lithuania, from the Czech Republic 60-mm mines, grenade launchers are delivered from the USA, dozens of ambulances, radios, night vision devices are likely to be sold for corvettes under construction, there is data about emergency shipment radar. We started with two artillery brigades, and today there are nine of them, we started with two tank brigades, and today there are five of them. We had two boats in the Naval Forces of Ukraine on the 1450 km of the coast, and now there are eight of them. This is an unambiguous and noticeable movement forward.



But here it should be clearly understood that in the end it is not a panacea at all. And despite the dozens of positive calls (the introduction of a new combat ration, large-scale construction projects at landfills, plans for the construction of hostels for contract servicemen), we should not expect a quick solution to dozens of the most trivial problems in the army, even domestic ones. The fact that there are still not enough nets, thermal imagers, generators in a particular unit, and you are driving on an old Uazika, does not mean that we are all washed with eyes by the “Potemkin villages”. This only means that there are a lot of more pressing urgent issues for strategic deterrence of the enemy and urgent long-term projects. Reloading engines for rockets "Os", "Strel", "Tungusok", deep modernization of T-64 and T-80, modernization of fighter aircraft, which, moreover, is rapidly developing a resource.

We essentially do not fleet, there are not enough boats for physical control of the long coast, serious investments are needed in the SPSU and an engineering border fence in case of attempts of raids by SPN. Digital communications at the company level, nightlights, automobiles, automation of artillery and air defense, arsenal equipment, work on creating batteries for MANPADS, simulators - that’s hundreds of millions of dollars as of yesterday. We fired a couple of hundred rockets in 2014 for ATGMs. Excellent, and in 2024 they already need to carry out routine maintenance and possibly recharge. We have already purchased hundreds of sniper rifles. Not bad, but weather stations, rangefinders, hundreds of rounds per year for training, instructor training, infrastructure for them also appeared? The state was filled with Soviet infantry fighting vehicles in many units. And what about remotorization, walkie-talkies, combat modules for "cents" and "twos"? Thermal imagers and NVD came. And in the year their batteries lose capacity by a few percent - soon we will need to repair the dies and purchase batteries.

And so in everything. Growing opportunity means an immediate increase in spending. Do not wait for a miracle. The main problem for today is personnel training, but if you continue to carry out hundreds of battalion exercises a year, carry out coordination, field exits, call thousands of reservists in all formats from 80-100, from territorial battalions to retraining through the MES, then in a few years the situation gradually will change. Our efforts in terms of the military-industrial complex and the reformation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are quite adequate to the severity of the conflict and the current budget, but the problem is not only that Ukraine is a poor country. When it was necessary to find 5 billion dollars in just a year for the reconstruction of stadiums, hotels, roads and staff training for Euro-2012 - money was found. For foot in the emergency mode. For a third of this amount, over the course of 10 years, it was easy to purchase a Gripenov regiment, an ARL board, a couple of mouths of modern tanks, or a couple of modernized battalions. The problem is that the majority of Ukrainians and then waited for the wizard in a blue helicopter, looking in the mouth of the storytellers, politicians, and now they are waiting for the Messiah, who tomorrow will rearm and train under three dozen brigades in a couple of years. It will not happen. It will be hard and painstaking work. In 2017, we made a significant step forward, but there is a lot more ahead. And it is necessary to clearly understand what we are doing and why, and what distance we have yet to come. To go the way that Poland or Finland have already passed - to forever break away from a dying empire.
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  1. seti
    seti 23 December 2017 15: 25 New
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    Correct would not hurt. Not "ATO" but a punitive operation. And in general, the emphasis of the article is incorrect. RF naturally in the understanding of the wretched aggressor and I'm not so I wait for the tram.
    1. seti
      seti 23 December 2017 15: 32 New
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      By the way uv moderators and who allowed such propaganda ...? And the advertisement of the APU ..? Have you not noticed the spirit of the article where it is clearly said that Russia is a "dying empire" and the country is an aggressor. ..? Advertising Russophobian site and more.
      1. Buffet
        Buffet 23 December 2017 17: 45 New
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        From the “other” side, too, sometimes I would like to read the opinions and development of their defense industry. The person who wrote is clearly not. Let the article with a choke. But in general, he is right at 75%. And as for the propaganda, the “achressor” is already, as it were, possible not to pay attention ...
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 December 2017 18: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: seti
        By the way uv moderators and who allowed such propaganda ...? And the advertisement of the APU ..? Have you not noticed the spirit of the article where it is clearly said that Russia is a "dying empire" and the country is an aggressor. ..? Advertising Russophobian site and more.

        This is not propaganda. Rather, excuses for shortcomings. And information from that side also needs to be known. A comparison of the author of the APU with the militants of the Islamic state is still quite interesting.
        1. seti
          seti 23 December 2017 19: 16 New
          +5
          Information and a thorough analysis of the state of their army can be found here: http://kloch4.livejournal.com/
          1. Uxus
            Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 47 New
            +2
            Scrupulous analysis from a person who has the word "junta" and "Wehrmacht" in the lexicon? Truth?)))
        2. Astoria
          Astoria 24 December 2017 00: 34 New
          +4
          This is not propaganda.
          And you still read the materials on this site, a very nice resource calls for inciting ethnic hatred, a slight glorification of Nazism. Either the editorial board of VO already has NG or you need a request to Roskomnadzor for advertising this lovely resource.
          https://petrimazepa.com
      3. Astoria
        Astoria 24 December 2017 00: 21 New
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        As I understand it, the editorial staff of VO will soon sink to publications from Censor.net for the sake of hype. A shame.
        1. Uxus
          Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 25 New
          0
          Well, you compared PiM and the garbage dump that the Censor turned into))
  2. Kosya Queen
    Kosya Queen 23 December 2017 15: 31 New
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    What is this???? Ode to the enthusiastic banderlog of punishers from the Ukrainian-terrorist type of army? Well, I’m in shock. I would not be surprised if patriotic Bandera films will be broadcast here soon. Why should I be surprised, over in St. Petersburg whole movie screenings have already passed just before. I look forward to the next visit, the inscription: "Glory to Ukraine - death to the thieves." This is sarcasm, if Che.
    1. seti
      seti 23 December 2017 15: 33 New
      +8
      Here I am talking about. Not enough heroes of fat and Bandera flags with Nazi symbols.
  3. Kosya Queen
    Kosya Queen 23 December 2017 15: 34 New
    +6
    And the censor, along the way, is a latent banderlog.
  4. assa67
    assa67 23 December 2017 15: 35 New
    +6
    the author is trying to intimidate someone, or to convince himself that without a war with Russia, no matter how ..... otherwise there will be no money or patronage ..... I want to ask, I’m not tired of being "the greatest country in Europe" as a mustard jar in a non-standard dining room, into which everyone is lazy to shove what’s the matter? ... and when it’s empty, at best, it’s used as a container for analyzes ....... and how do these get into here " experts "?
  5. AleBors
    AleBors 23 December 2017 15: 45 New
    +9
    Scared, already hid under the table. belay .How did this nonsense turn out to be? am
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 23 December 2017 15: 45 New
    +9
    Well done!
    Are growing!
    The armats had already burned everything, not one division of the Buryat armored cavalry was destroyed ... Well, etc. Only with miners, hairdressers and taxi drivers can not cope.
  7. BMP-2
    BMP-2 23 December 2017 16: 09 New
    +4
    It seems to me that Kirill Danilchenko and the “talking helmet” -Tymchuk are one and the same character! yes
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 26 New
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      No, these are different people.
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 28 December 2017 17: 49 New
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        Yes, it’s clear that people are different. Symptoms are just the same ...
        1. Uxus
          Uxus 29 December 2017 12: 50 New
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          Normal sympotomes, correct)) Then you read a little Ronin))
  8. Romanych.by
    Romanych.by 23 December 2017 16: 10 New
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    Oh you ... What a strong army of dill. Trained soldiers. What are they trained for ?? Shelling schools, kindergartens and high-rise buildings with civilians? I care about Ukrainians as a nation, but once again I’m convinced that they can only scratch their tongues, to praise ourselves and scandalize from under the silence. Remove this dill propaganda from the site. It’s only to make everyone laugh.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 23 December 2017 16: 45 New
      +7
      I also think that posting this article on the site is a mistake. However, it is strange: for some reason, Ctrl + enter does not work! what

      You are right: if you open the source, you can immediately understand that this is an ordinary propaganda (to put it mildly) dill site, not claiming any serious analytics, taking figures from Facebook, from the ceiling and other "reliable sources".

      The repost of this article on VO, I can assume, is the result of the actions of Ukrainian hackers from the "minstets." laughing Although, in light of recent events at "Artdocfest", perhaps the site is simply trying to follow fashion trends! lol

      Place this material - on the "Censor". Here, I think that it needs to be moved to the "Ganba. Into the furnace" section! yes
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 23 December 2017 17: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Romanych.by
      Trained soldiers. What are they trained for ?? Shelling schools, kindergartens and high-rise buildings with civilians?

      Second-hand romanich, - listen less to the Kiselevs, you will better understand what they are trained in.
      1. Uxus
        Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 48 New
        +1
        You don’t have to think there, just listen ...
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 28 December 2017 17: 48 New
          +1
          Well, suppose listening to Poroshenko - you don’t need to think either: you just have to believe! laughing lol
          1. Uxus
            Uxus 3 January 2018 14: 19 New
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            To begin with, 90% of Russian channels have one point of view and an assessment of events. One. In Ukraine, each channel gives at least its own version. Plus the internet. so past)
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 3 January 2018 15: 21 New
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              To begin with, this is purely your personal opinion. Looking at the Ukrainian channels, one can easily notice that there can really be any version there, provided that “Russia is an aggressor”. The incidents with the channels "Inter" and "112" - only confirm this rule. With Internet sites - similarly. Blocking "VKontakte", Yandex, Rambler and Mile.ru - generally a drop dead show of freedom of speech! laughing So, you can keep your "past" to yourself! yesEnjoy. laughing It doesn’t matter to me. hi
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 3 January 2018 15: 24 New
                +1
                Ps: yes, if it does not, remind me at least a couple of cases where Poroshenko told the truth. lol
  9. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 23 December 2017 16: 36 New
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    Thank you for the interesting analytical article.
    According to the Air Force and Air Defense, there it is.
    Just fly over the territory of Ukraine as in Syria will not work.
    By MLRS similarly.
    For other types of troops xs.
    But rather described close to the current situation, judging by the data relating to the Air Force / Air Defense / MLRS.
    1. Lock36
      Lock36 23 December 2017 18: 06 New
      12
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Just fly over the territory of Ukraine as in Syria will not work.

      And was someone going to?
      With regard to Ukraine, the best strategy is to let the Kiev regime die by itself. IMF loans, Eurointegration and other changes will drive them into the coffin more reliable than Russian VKS.
      ... But we still have to earn our occupation. laughing
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 25 December 2017 15: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Lock36
        And was someone going to?

        grabs
        Quote: Lock36
        With regard to Ukraine, the best strategy is to let the Kiev regime die by itself. IMF loans, Eurointegration and other changes will drive them into the coffin more reliable than Russian VKS.

        fiction is a good thing, but still you need to really look at things
        1. Lock36
          Lock36 27 December 2017 20: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: prosto_rgb
          fiction is a good thing, but still you need to really look at things

          Has something to argue about the economic situation? Maybe you have Belarus what kind of insider is available and we do not know?
    2. AshiSolo
      AshiSolo 24 December 2017 16: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Thank you for the interesting analytical article.
      According to the Air Force and Air Defense, there it is.
      Just fly over the territory of Ukraine as in Syria will not work.
      By MLRS similarly.
      For other types of troops xs.
      But rather described close to the current situation, judging by the data relating to the Air Force / Air Defense / MLRS.


      And do not fly there. And poke in there too. Can't you see that Ukraine has recently been a current sadomasochistic nympho: she asks, demands, prays to be hit. And only then will she experience true pleasure. Cries of aggression, the defense of democracy and the front-line frontier in the struggle against the Empire will fly with cries of cocks. Expand with might and main projects for knocking out dough and weapons.

      And if you don’t touch it now and quietly laugh, then either it will die down itself, or later it will creep quietly to apologize and put up. This has already been done in politics dozens of times. Only Georgia was surprised in this regard: they were able to get around the topic and return to cooperation. A thin world is better than a good quarrel ...
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 25 December 2017 15: 27 New
        0
        Quote: AshiSolo
        And do not fly there. And poke in there too.

        absolutely right,
        Quote: AshiSolo
        And poke in there too.

        but it's' too late
        but poked back in 2014
        1. AshiSolo
          AshiSolo 28 December 2017 20: 58 New
          0
          Yes, I didn’t even snoop ... I remember the experience of my urgency, I understand that at 14 it was not necessary to meddle. They themselves were substituted.
    3. Uxus
      Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 27 New
      0
      This author has never suffered from the topic of what he writes and hatred.
  10. Dart2027
    Dart2027 23 December 2017 16: 50 New
    0
    To go the path that Poland or Finland have already passed - forever break away from a dying empire
    One Polish politician spoke about the role of Poland in politics
    https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/26246.7/3127018/
  11. Spez
    Spez 23 December 2017 16: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: prosto_rgb
    Just fly over the territory of Ukraine as in Syria will not work.

    did I recall the Malaysian Boeing at these words?
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 25 December 2017 15: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Spez
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Just fly over the territory of Ukraine as in Syria will not work.

      did I recall the Malaysian Boeing at these words?

      it looks like someone else is recalling
      And here I recall the conflict in Georgia in 2008
      1. Spez
        Spez 25 December 2017 15: 30 New
        +3
        Moreover, the article has a direct reference to those events
  12. BLOND
    BLOND 23 December 2017 17: 32 New
    +3
    aviation and cruise missiles - the only thing that has not yet been used in eastern Ukraine.

    Deer
    I shot air-to-ground launches at my checkpoint in LPR on my phone
    And Lugansk in 2014 - the first "explosion of air conditioning"?
    1. Antares
      Antares 24 December 2017 00: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: BLOND
      Deer

      the author meant aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic "from the mines", not Ukrainian
      BG did not use aviation and
    2. Uxus
      Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 29 New
      0
      Do you understand the difference between a cruise ship and a VZ rocket at all? And the difference between "wz" and NURS?
      1. Antares
        Antares 30 December 2017 00: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Uxus
        Do you understand the difference between a cruise ship and a VZ rocket at all? And the difference between "wz" and NURS?

        are you me I understand the difference between KR and RVZ and NURS.
  13. Romanych.by
    Romanych.by 23 December 2017 18: 14 New
    +6
    Quote: Normal ok
    Quote: Romanych.by
    Trained soldiers. What are they trained for ?? Shelling schools, kindergartens and high-rise buildings with civilians?

    Second-hand romanich, - listen less to the Kiselevs, you will better understand what they are trained in.

    I don’t need to tell anyone to listen to. I have my own opinion and my own vision of the political and military situation in the southeast of Ukraine. And I, unlike dill, do not have their eyes covered in the shit of fascist propaganda. hi
  14. German Titov
    German Titov 23 December 2017 20: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: seti
    Correct would not hurt. Not "ATO" but a punitive operation. And in general, the emphasis of the article is incorrect. RF naturally in the understanding of the wretched aggressor and I'm not so I wait for the tram.

    Following your logic, “Colleague and Zema,” the troops of the NM DLNR conduct a “CTO” (counter-terrorist operation). In principle, I agree with the terminology. Take care of yourself!
  15. German Titov
    German Titov 23 December 2017 20: 24 New
    +6
    Quote: BLOND
    aviation and cruise missiles - the only thing that has not yet been used in eastern Ukraine.

    Deer
    I shot air-to-ground launches at my checkpoint in LPR on my phone
    And Lugansk in 2014 - the first "explosion of air conditioning"?

    And people were “mowed down” by families in 2014 in Zugrasse on the beach. I hope now the Luftwaffeans will not fly, - they’ll really land. What if "the military doesn’t have time for the pilot’s landing place"? Not everyone is "lucky to be captured."
  16. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 December 2017 20: 38 New
    +4
    Whenever the Ukrainians put up a monument to our government for the fact that it contributed to the revival of their army.
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 30 New
      0
      The monument will not be put. And contributed to the revival of not only the army)
  17. nickname7
    nickname7 23 December 2017 21: 34 New
    +7
    In general, they are not going to break up in the near future. They carry out militarization. The cities of Yekaterinoslav, now Dnipro, Odessa, Kharkov, the third largest scientific and industrial city of the union, all these old Russian territories, will use their potential against the Russian Federation. It is sad that one part of the Russian Federation will look at another part of the Russian Federation, through the sight and minefields, such is the monstrous mistake of Yeltsin, who did not return back, these lands, from temporary use, of three Ukrainian regions. Geopolitical catastrophe in all its "glory".
    1. Antares
      Antares 24 December 2017 00: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: nickname7
      In general, they are not going to break up in the near future. They carry out militarization.

      Well, it was so clear from the beginning (I also wrote about this back in 2014). Having received an injection and loss of territory, that the Russians are Ukrainians, that the Chinese, etc. begin to live with the idea of ​​returning their own. For a territory where there was no idea at all, this is a spicy leaven. Almost in Soviet times.
      Quote: nickname7
      The cities of Yekaterinoslav, now Dnipro, Odessa, Kharkov, the third largest scientific and industrial city of the union, all these old Russian territories, will use their potential against the Russian Federation

      They will be completely. The same is the “New Russia” which needed to get up off the couch and call Russia smile But the Russian Federation they were not needed.
      However, many Russians though bring down a flurry of Caliber and Iskander in these cities (well, also Kiev and Lviv).
      Quote: nickname7
      the monstrous mistake of Yeltsin, who did not return back, these lands, from temporary use, of three Ukrainian regions. Geopolitical catastrophe in all its "glory".

      the collapse of the USSR, the destruction of the socialist idea, the capitalist idea (Money above all)
  18. Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 December 2017 23: 34 New
    +1
    Well, take all the AFU units into the boiler, on the territory of the LPR, our troops may well be in one night.
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 32 New
      0
      And then in three days to reach Kiev. Yes!
  19. shuravi
    shuravi 24 December 2017 00: 45 New
    +6
    Hooray-patriotism itself is comical, but in the new Ukrainian version it is something.
    It is no secret that present-day Ukraine is the country of the victorious Selyuk, and in the most vile, zapadensky version.
    hence the relation to technology.
    author -> author -> author of the article so cheeks that almost farts from the exertion. But what is still on the exhaust?
    Yes, actually nothing. All the same repaired Soviet equipment.
    Here he writes:
    After all, it’s not just repair and gradual budget modernization - it’s training pilots, it’s restoring airfields, it’s infrastructure for air commandant’s offices, it’s banal canteens for the flight crew, spending growth due to flying hours and the airframe’s resource many of which are already 25-30 years old.

    I wonder where he ripped 25 years? After all, if you count from the moment of the collapse, then the newest aircraft (helicopter) is already over 26. Only even this in Ukraine did not remain. Everything that was relatively new was sold out in the very first years of independence. So the main fleet has long been behind 40.
    In principle, even at this age, helicopter planes fly. But only with proper maintenance and repair, as well as work to extend the resource.
    But this is not about Ukraine. the triumph of Seljuk ideology led to the fact that part of the Soviet inheritance was sold out, the rest was deposited. Like this:

    Essentially abandoned.
    And if someone thinks that the blades are removed in accordance with the rules of storage, then in vain. They are removed, but only in order to finish off the remaining resource on more successful machines. For Selyukov’s attitude to technology is this:


    That is, to quit and all. What is the removal of the blades? What is conservation, cover?
    A crane is needed to build huts. and grease and covers on the farm come in handy.
    With aircraft storage, the situation is no better.

    And what, do they seriously believe that after a quarter century of such “storage” something can be restored?
    Blessed is he who believes.
    1. Uxus
      Uxus 28 December 2017 15: 33 New
      0
      That is, all lies and armies, in principle, are not in Ukraine? Well, OK)))
    2. Antares
      Antares 30 December 2017 00: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      after a quarter century of such "storage" can something be restored?
      Blessed is he who believes.

      Николаев

      aerodrome

      takeoff
  20. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 24 December 2017 03: 44 New
    +2
    Hooray-ism in the most stupid and funny way. Moreover, the author also lies godlessly. Although, the pots all shavat:
    Particular attention, as in the past year, is paid to aviation and air defense. For many reasons. Basically, of course, because if the Russian Federation combines the next “peace enforcement”, then aviation and cruise missiles are the only thing that has not yet been applied in the east of Ukraine.

    The losses of the Ukrainian Air Force in the ATO are even on Wikipedia. Having received lard over the wort in the summer of 2014, the pots had already stopped using aviation, since they had simply run out of them. And horses, wishing to fly to certain death, were not found among the pilots. Now, if the militia did not have MANPADS, then of course, these same pan-and-ball pilots with pleasure would still bomb peaceful cities and villages.
  21. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 24 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +3
    Opponents cannot be underestimated. All sources of information are subject to analysis. Plus, they will last 10 days.
  22. bandabas
    bandabas 24 December 2017 12: 48 New
    +1
    Do I have a nightmare? Or we are going to seriously fight with the ridge Ukraine. Roll it out, but what's the point?
  23. Lexus
    Lexus 24 December 2017 16: 42 New
    +3
    Ukrovermaht rearm
  24. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 27 December 2017 00: 13 New
    +2
    Anal from super. Awe, fear and horror. Muscovites will come, we’ll die right away. I don’t know exactly how many battalion exercises were held in the Russian army, but by the end of 2017, there are only 15000 of them all together. I’m not very sure that there will be in the Ukrainian army 85 serviceable fighters, they also break down, and not only return to duty, and there should be a lot of money, but I won’t argue. There’s another question, if they even exist, how they will look for goals, and how they will hide ? The Russian VKS will search for targets with both ground-based radars and A50,100 guidance aircraft., Ukrainian radars will suppress interference and destroy, there will definitely not be normal operation. Anyone who takes off will be like a blind kitten on a shepherd. Thirty divisions of c300, is that even where it comes from? Or is each launching unit now a division in Ukraine? But if so then with the air defense system then it’s completely sad. There is no fleet, there is no production of ammunition, there are no artillery systems, there are no tanks, there are still a lot of things, and what’s being done in scanty quantities. MIC of Ukraine for 2017
  25. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 14: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Antares
    Quote: Uxus
    Do you understand the difference between a cruise ship and a VZ rocket at all? And the difference between "wz" and NURS?

    are you me I understand the difference between KR and RVZ and NURS.

    No, to the Blond. I won’t get used to how the binding of answers goes here.
  26. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 01 New
    0
    Quote: BMP-2
    To begin with, this is purely your personal opinion. Looking at the Ukrainian channels, one can easily notice that there can really be any version there, provided that “Russia is an aggressor”. The incidents with the channels "Inter" and "112" - only confirm this rule. With Internet sites - similarly. Blocking "VKontakte", Yandex, Rambler and Mile.ru - generally a drop dead show of freedom of speech! laughing So, you can keep your "past" to yourself! yesEnjoy. laughing It doesn’t matter to me. hi
    Doooo, vkontaktik and one-eyed people are of course resources for obtaining information))) They smiled, there are no words)) And you can appeal to the Human Rights Court. In Ukraine, freedom of speech is being pinched, in America blacks are being lynched, what else is there? Your opinion consists of watching what Ukrainian channels? Do you really know how to move it?)) I have, for example, a dozen Russians coming from satellite.
  27. Uxus
    Uxus 3 January 2018 16: 02 New
    0
    Quote: BMP-2
    Ps: yes, if it does not, remind me at least a couple of cases where Poroshenko told the truth. lol

    Are you implying that he lied? So give an example)