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The most acute problems of the armed forces of Ukraine

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The Ukrainian information agency Oboronno-promis kur'yr published a rather interesting interview with the deputy commander of the land forces of the armed forces of Ukraine (APU) for logistics, Major General Yuriy Tolochny, under the heading “The most acute problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not directly related to the ATO zone”.


In an interview, Major-General Y. Tolochny reports a number of characteristic problems in the current Armed Forces of Ukraine:

- the most acute shortage of funds for the construction of military accommodation facilities, newly formed or withdrawn from the ATO zone by rotation of the compound and parts are placed in tent camps;

- lack of funds to ensure the survivability and safety of arsenals and ammunition storage sites - 5-10% of the required amount is allocated;

- "The situation with ammunition is very serious. Today there are a number of deficient calibers. This is about rifle guns, and about artillery and missile ammunition." Introduced limits on the consumption of artillery ammunition. In a year or two, or a maximum of three, the shortage of ammunition will become critical;

- upgrade option tanks T-64BM "Bulat" was "unsuccessful in real combat." “The Bulat T-64BM tanks, due to their heavy weight and weak engine, were ineffective, were transferred to the reserve, and replaced with linear T-64s.”


Tent camp of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (c) IA “Defense promises kur'yr”

Since 2014, in matters related to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the attention of the overwhelming majority of experts and media has been focused on the war zone in the east of the country, its related problems and challenges. However, a significant part of the most acute problems of the army lies outside the ATO zone, and is concentrated in areas that are not directly related to military operations. Moreover, the revival of the APU, which began four years ago, turned out to be a whole series of new difficulties. On the difficulties associated with the equipment points of permanent deployment of troops, the situation with the bases and arsenals, as well as the growing problems in the ammunition industry to the information agency "Defense Industrial Courier" told a man who worked in the army logistics since its inception in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in its modern form - Deputy Chief Logistics Department of the Southern Operational Command, then Head of Logistics - Deputy Commander of the 6 Army Corps in Dnepropetrovsk, from 2009 to 2017, the Deputy Commander of Land The Armed Forces of Ukraine on logistics, Major General Yuri Tolochny.

- What are the basic needs of troops in the combat zone?

- When entering the winter, it is, above all, fuel for engines. It is necessary to switch to normal winter fuel. On this occasion there have already been a number of scandals. It is also a timely supply of coal and firewood. The completeness of the winter form - which has been changed several times in five years, and its quality to this day leaves much to be desired, although there is progress in comparison with the first samples.

But the key problem issues for the supply of troops now, ironically, are not connected with the ATO zone. The combat zone is under the scrutiny of both military and political leadership, so that the most pressing issues are solved there. It also helps us to stabilize the front line. The units that are rotated are located in the same places, and gradually equipped there the necessary conditions for life and service.

But when it comes to other regions ... In my opinion, the most acute problem now is the camps, where troops are assigned to restore combat capability. These camps are tent, and after a year and a half of exploitation these tents are no longer suitable for life. The second, related question is points of permanent deployment. To date, we have created a whole range of new military formations, but for them it is necessary to create new points of permanent deployment - stationary headquarters, houses for officers, dormitories or improved type barracks with laundries, bathrooms, etc. Otherwise, it turns out that parts of the field conditions at the front are displayed in exactly the same conditions in the rear, which does not allow restoring combat capability.

All this money is allocated catastrophically little. For example, there is a decision of the Minister of Defense to create a military camp at the Wide Lan range until the end of 2017. Initially planned for two brigades, then cut to one. There is still a tent camp, although precast shield barracks should have been built long ago. Construction is proceeding slowly, and the final deadlines for the object are still unclear. In any case, this year it will not be built.

- What needs to be done to resolve these issues?

- First of all, we need a clear understanding of how many such camps we need, and clearly determine their locations. And then start creating a full-fledged, long-term housing and infrastructure there. It is in my opinion, two points hinder this. First, of course, lack of finance. And secondly, in my opinion, often to do something in the ATO zone is loud, “piarno”, it sounds. And the arrangement of districts distant from the region of operations does not give such image, "rating" results. In addition, the creation of a military camp is a long and painstaking, costly process that does not provide instant information returns. Construction of barracks, hostels, houses for officers ... It’s much easier with the goal of “PR”, for example, to create a tank company, or to purchase several dozen cars, and to gain political points on this.

- How can I correct the situation with ammunition? In particular, with the safety of their storage.

- In 2005, a survivability program for bases, warehouses and arsenals was adopted. The first question is that each stock of ammunition should be stored for which it is designed. We must clearly know how much and what we need: troop, operational, strategic reserve. Before the war, all ammunition depots were overloaded - as the combat units were reduced, the divisions were transformed into brigades, etc. their ammunition moved to warehouses. Since then, the war and the pre-war active, albeit rather stupid, disposal of ammunition somewhat improved the situation, but only partially. The second is that the warehouse should have a purpose. That is, if the warehouse is intended for the storage of high-risk ammunition - first of all, reactive - the storage should be at least dumped. And ideally, the ammunition should be in special underground arched vaults. Now you need to throw all the forces on the elimination of open storage areas. They are the most vulnerable to sabotage, and create an increased risk in case of negligence or natural and man-made disasters. In 2008, the fire on the 61 arsenal in Lozovoy began precisely because the open flame — nearby burned leaves — was blown over to openly stored mines that were stored with gunpowder bundles. It was they who caught fire. Fortunately, there were no jet ammunition in this arsenal, and the storehouses were rolled in, so the fragmentation of the fragments amounted to a maximum of 1,5 km, which limited the scale of damage and damage. The same reasons led to the catastrophe in Balakliya. Therefore, it is necessary to bring ammunition storage in compliance with current regulations.

Now that a significant part of the ammunition has been utilized or consumed during the war, a redistribution plan must be drawn up. Some arsenals are empty, others remain overloaded. It is necessary to install object alarm in storages - fire, and motion sensors - and perimeter, with tracking cameras. It is necessary to equip the perimeter - prune trees, if the object is located in the forest, to plow the ground around so that there is no dry grass. You also need to provide reliable perimeter security. After the start of the war, owing to the lack of military units, soldiers from the company’s supernatural units and platoons guarding the bases and arsenals were sent to the resupply, and the protection of the objects is often carried out by the VOKhR. What is WOCM? Pensioners with SKS carbines in Soviet-style bulletproof vests. The dogs needed for protection in the Ground Forces were only in one warehouse. How reliable is this guard? Bases and arsenals should be guarded by special units, trained and equipped with everything necessary.

Also in the composition of the nearest units and subunits should be rapid-response armored personnel groups, which, thanks to the well-established communications, can quickly advance to the arsenal in the event of an attack, and provide defense according to a previously worked out plan. Now, when the main combat units are at the front, there is nothing like this at the points of permanent deployment. The interaction with the Security Service of Ukraine and the police should also be debugged. All employees of bases and arsenals should be checked by these structures.

- Is the process of these changes going on, and if so, how fast?

- The process is on, but wavy. After the next disaster, funds are quickly allocated, but then their volume is reduced, and funding is reduced to a minimum. Then everything repeats again. If you look at funding by year, it is easy to notice the dependence on the state of emergency on various bases and arsenals. In the "quiet" years, I heard from high-ranking military officials the opinion that embankment is "burying money in the ground." Today, funds are partially allocated for signaling - about 10-15% of the need. The reconstruction of the allocated finance is enough, in fact, only to replace floors. A huge problem with the container - because the boxes eventually become useless. Little is allocated for the purchase of small automation equipment, the processing of wooden rafters fire-impregnated, recharging fire extinguishers ... For the construction of new facilities money is not actually allocated. Thus, we have approximately 5-10% of the necessary to solve tactical tasks of ensuring survivability. For strategic purposes - the construction of new storage facilities - no funds are allocated at all.

- How would you rate the project to build a new ammunition plant?

- This is a screaming necessity. The situation with ammunition is very serious. Today there are a number of scarce calibers. Speech and about the rifle, and about artillery and rocket ammunition.

In fact, there is nothing to replenish the ammunition, and it is constantly decreasing. Ukraine produces only small batches. By the nature of the service, I did not deal directly with this issue, but there are some considerations. For example, purchases abroad, which some see as a way out of the situation, will not help to solve this problem - firstly, there are not too many states that can satisfy our need for Soviet-style ammunition - and our weapons remain predominantly Soviet. NATO ammunition does not suit us. Secondly, ammunition is a lethal weapon. The attitude of our Western partners to the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine everyone knows. Knowing our politicians, if large quantities of ammunition were supplied from abroad, this would be accompanied by loud PR actions, so the absence of such noise suggests that such purchases, if any, their volume is insignificant.

The main thing is to competently organize this production, to establish the production of calibers that we need. For small arms, at least close the range of calibers from 5.45 to 14.5 mm. As for the artillery ... Only in the last year has tightened control over the flow of artillery ammunition. Returned supplying and so on. In the first years of the war, the consumption of shells was completely uncontrolled, and enormous.

- When, in your opinion, under the current state of affairs the lack of ammunition will become critical? Provided that the creation of a new production will not move from the dead center.

- I think a year or two. Maximum - three.

- What key problems would you highlight in other types of troops, besides ground?

- In the Navy, the housing issue is very acute. As far as I know, the Air Force has a difficult situation with spare parts and the degree of deterioration of the fleet. They endlessly extend the life of equipment, but you understand - it is one thing to extend the life of, say, a tank, and quite another - an airplane. The consequences of failure are completely different. Therefore, a significant part of the fleet in aviation does not rise into the air. Also, over the years of independence, the airfield network was destroyed.

- You mentioned tanks. What is the situation with armored vehicles?

- In general, the reserve of equipment is still large, but all of this equipment is obsolete, and the potential of modernization is almost exhausted. Some upgrades turn out to be unsuccessful in real combat. For example, the T-64BM “Bulat” tanks, due to their heavy weight and weak engine, turned out to be ineffective, were transferred to the reserve, and replaced with linear T-64. Thus, it is necessary to create new patterns. But there are other problems. BM "Oplot", for example, in the Armed Forces is available in a single copy - at the Kharkov Institute of Tank Forces. So the question is in the possibilities of the state in purchasing, and in the industry, in the mass production of new machines.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 15 December 2017 05: 45
    +6
    The problems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in what are similar to those that were in the first Chechen campaign in RUSSIA.
    The same corruption, a mess in logistics, a dumb command, the ever-drunk president of the country ... almost one to one.
    And if he draws an analogy further, Kiev now has no other choice but to go to a forced peace with LDNR .... naturally, which will then be violated under favorable conditions.
    Further, the rupture of all ties with RUSSIA for the Ukrainian population and the economy as a whole is a painful thing and after 2019, if the Kremlin does not extend the subsidies to the Kiev junta in the form of payment for gas transit, it will be even more painful ... where to get the sources of income about this in KIEV they think last .
    A typical example is when the stupidity of politicians destroys the well-being of an entire nation ... we have already passed this and are reaping the fruits of it so far.

    I think that under the current political elite in UKRAINE
    happiness Ukrainians can not see for a long time.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 15 December 2017 06: 02
      +6
      That's right, Alexei ... This army is somewhat similar to the Russian Armed Forces since the drunkard ... But there is a fundamental difference, it is an ardent nationalism planted in the ranks of the Armed Forces ... What will happen next ...? It’s difficult to guess. And the question lies The Kremlin, with its slurred politics towards events in ruin.
      Quote: The same Lech
      The problems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in what are similar to those that were in the first Chechen campaign in RUSSIA.
      The same corruption, a mess in logistics, a dumb command, the ever-drunk president of the country ... almost one to one.
      And if he draws an analogy further, Kiev now has no other choice but to go to a forced peace with LDNR .... naturally, which will then be violated under favorable conditions.
      Further, the rupture of all ties with RUSSIA for the Ukrainian population and the economy as a whole is a painful thing and after 2019, if the Kremlin does not extend the subsidies to the Kiev junta in the form of payment for gas transit, it will be even more painful ... where to get the sources of income about this in KIEV they think last .
      A typical example is when the stupidity of politicians destroys the well-being of an entire nation ... we have already passed this and are reaping the fruits of it so far.

      I think that under the current political elite in UKRAINE
      happiness Ukrainians can not see for a long time.
    2. camo
      camo 15 December 2017 14: 42
      +2
      The problems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in what are similar to those that were in the first Chechen campaign in RUSSIA.
      The same corruption, a mess in logistics, a dumb command, the ever-drunk president of the country ... almost one to one.
      one nuance, Russia in 1994 had a bunch of relatively new weapons and unexpired ammunition left over from the Soviet Army
    3. ando_bor
      ando_bor 15 December 2017 20: 53
      0
      Yes, the first thing that came to mind was that it was like in Russia twenty-plus years ago.
      1. saigon
        saigon 17 December 2017 13: 02
        0
        VVO about kent tents they didn’t let them squeeze, so I wanted to compare it with the end of 80!
    4. max702
      max702 15 December 2017 21: 47
      +3
      Another thing is interesting why the DPR and LPR DRGs do not work in the enemy’s deep rear destroying the ammunition depots and storage facilities, all the more so as they are not guarded especially from the article and the security measures are minimal .. You’ll excuse me in war as in war .. all means are good more that ukrohunta does not particularly think about it ..
      .
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 16 December 2017 02: 17
        0
        Quote: max702
        Another thing is interesting why the DPR and LPR DRGs do not work in the enemy’s deep rear destroying the ammunition depots and storage facilities, all the more so as they are not guarded especially from the article and the security measures are minimal .. You’ll excuse me in war as in war .. all means are good more that ukrohunta does not particularly think about it ..
        .

        Apparently to avoid the actions of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
        1. max702
          max702 16 December 2017 23: 36
          0
          With the DRG's QUALITATIVE work, there can be no complaints .. And with the policy pursued by the 404th, they don’t need any enemy DRGs .. They can .. They’re crap, they can’t crap .. Everything ..
          RS: If they start on the territory of the Russian Federation, then the independence will end very quickly .. They perfectly understand it ..
  2. Chichikov
    Chichikov 15 December 2017 06: 27
    +1
    After reading the "interview" - a stormy and prolonged applause! fellow good wassat
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 16 December 2017 15: 28
      0
      Quote: Chichikov
      After reading the "interview" - a stormy and prolonged applause! fellow good wassat

      What are you talking about? In the case of external aggression from the West to Ukraine, how will it defend itself? I think the Russian Federation is not profitable, it is one thing to reduce the Armed Forces at the expense of the National Guard, voluntary territorial battalions and combat units ...., etc. the matter is the complete disintegration of the Armed Forces ...
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 15 December 2017 09: 15
    +2
    The completeness of the winter form - which has been changed several times in five years, and its quality to this day leaves much to be desired, although there is progress in comparison with the first samples.
    AS TEXTBOOKS AT US IN THE SCHOOL CHANGE- feeding trough.

    As for artillery ... Only in the last year has the control over the consumption of artillery ammunition tightened. The supply limits returned and so on. In the early years of the war, the consumption of shells was completely uncontrolled, and colossal.
    ALL CAN BE SITTED ON KOLYMA-- THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SHOTS OF DONBASS IS TOLD ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!
    INSTEAD OF POLYGONS, LEARNED ON PEACEFUL RESIDENTS
  4. atos_kin
    atos_kin 15 December 2017 11: 52
    +1
    The most acute problems of the armed forces of Ukraine

    Only Wosight experts will help discuss the most pressing problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 15 December 2017 14: 45
      +2
      nothing prevents Ukrainian experts from crawling on the Runet and discussing the combat readiness of Pak-fa or the competence of our government

      so why don’t we discuss the interview of the Ukrainian general, since we have been at war for 3 years with this under-state, according to the statement of their under-politicians.

      1. atos_kin
        atos_kin 15 December 2017 16: 08
        +1
        It is a pity that the editorial board of Vosayt is engaged in the "crawl on ukronet".
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 15 December 2017 18: 48
          +1
          You can write an explanatory article here and it will be published, by the way.

          So do not judge strictly. And you better take part in the formation of sensible content.

  5. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 15 December 2017 15: 44
    0
    the biggest problem is not the full banderization of personnel. Individuals have doubts about the GREAT PERFORMANCE business.
  6. Romanych.by
    Romanych.by 15 December 2017 16: 43
    +3
    Poor and unfortunate Ukrainian military. They will soon miss shells and other weapons to fire at the civilian population of Donbass ... I just want to take it and regret it ...
    It is clear that this article is 100% custom-made in order to soften the world community and justify the decision of the US government and Canada on the supply of arms to the Ukrainian army.
    Where is the world heading ... ??
  7. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
    Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 16 December 2017 00: 58
    +1
    VELYKA pEREMOKHA cancelloTsTstso shorter :-)))
    Eternal ganba - theirs fsyo ...