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US media tried to determine the winner in the Su-57 battle with F-22

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American journalists compared the specifics of the two fifth-generation fighters Su-57 and F-22 Raptor and tried to figure out what the aircraft will focus on in air combat, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to The National Interest.




"A feature of the F-22 is the maximum use of stealth technology, which makes the aircraft less noticeable for enemy radar," writes the American edition, noting the high maneuverability of the fighter and good visibility from the cockpit.

The F-22 has more powerful engines than its predecessor, the F-15 Eagle, engines, as well as radar, thanks to which it can detect and classify a threat before it is detected by the enemy.

“Raptor has three compartments, two of which can accommodate an air-to-air guided missile with an AIM-9M / X Sidewinder infrared pointing head. Also in the F-22 can be placed six air-to-air missiles with a range of up to sixty-five miles AIMRA-120 AMRAAM ("Slammer"). In addition, the aircraft can carry adjustable JDAM bombs or four fuel tanks with a capacity of 600 gallons. And the 20 mm M61A2 cannon has enough ammunition to fire for about five seconds, ”the material says.

“About Su-57 is known much less,” writes the publication, nevertheless emphasizes that it has fundamental differences from the F-22: “If the Raptor designers focused on maneuverability and secrecy, then Su-57 is more oriented to maneuverability and speed. At the same time, the Russian fighter has much higher maneuverability at supersonic speeds than any other. "

It is also noted that “thanks aviation ”the Squirrel’s radar station N036, the Su-57 is capable of detecting invisible aircraft, in addition, the pilot can use the infrared search and tracking system.”

According to researchers, the Su-57 has “two capacious armory compartments, each of which can house four K-77M air-to-air missiles capable of engaging targets at ranges of up to 100 miles, in addition, the aircraft is armed with K-74M2 infrared homing melee missiles. ”

"The combination of maneuverability and infrared search system makes the Su-57 a deadly adversary," the authors acknowledge.

On the other hand, F-22, which is focused on stealth and maneuverability, can also detect the enemy at great distances, and if he manages to evade the enemy radar, "Raptor will be able to get the initiative early on in the battle."

“It’s hard to understand who will win if you consider that we don’t know how maneuverable the Su-57 is, but the infrared search and tracking system of the Russian aircraft, which the American invisible fighter does not have, will become the main advantage in battle,” says in the article.

In this case, the publication notes that if the F-22 and Su-57 ever converge in battle, it will be "the battle of the century."

We hope that we will only think about this meeting,
the researchers conclude.
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  1. himRa
    himRa 24 October 2017 13: 57
    +3
    Why compare?
    1. The_lancet
      The_lancet 24 October 2017 14: 03
      +2
      Very good. So far, they are compared in words on the Internet and not in battle.
      But I bet on F. The reasons for not doing this do not exist
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 24 October 2017 14: 07
        22
        Quote: The_Lancet
        But I bet on F.

        And we had no doubt. It is only surprising that NI did not write that the F-22 will win because where do we go to you, etc. etc., as they usually do.
        Quote: The_Lancet
        The reasons for not doing this do not exist


        Take a look at McCain's reasons))
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 24 October 2017 14: 08
        28
        Quote: The_Lancet
        But I bet on F. The reasons for not doing this do not exist

        And I put on the SU, as there is no reason not to do this. wink
        Quote: The_Lancet
        So far, they are comparing in words on the Internet and not in battle.

        This is a good idea. yes
        1. True
          True 24 October 2017 14: 38
          +2
          Quote: 79807420129
          And I put on the SU, as there is no reason not to do this.

          Well, as if there wasn’t such a car yet, but for you this is not the reason.
          1. free
            free 24 October 2017 15: 13
            +5
            Quote: True
            Quote: 79807420129
            And I put on the SU, as there is no reason not to do this.

            Well, as if there wasn’t such a car yet, but for you this is not the reason.

            But interestingly, whose truth are you upholding?
          2. abc_alex
            abc_alex 24 October 2017 16: 41
            +9
            And which of the characteristics of the F-22 has documented evidence, and is not a "statement by the developers"? In fact, only statements from our and US developers can be compared. Moreover, the shtatovskie were repeatedly seen in the "creative understanding" of the parameters.
      3. esaul
        esaul 24 October 2017 14: 14
        14
        About the secrecy of the F-22 ... I remember that at the very beginning of our intervention in the Syrian epic, when the Russian forces were pumped in Syria, the Americans and Israel tried to take the horse under the bridle - they launched two ballistic missiles from the Israeli destroyer, and two F -22. At this time, between the Syrian coast and the squadron of the pro-American coalition stood our group of ships with electronic warfare. Completely unpredictable missiles "killed themselves." The Israelis then turned on the fool and stated that they were weather balloons. About F-22 - silence, although there was information that one of them was littered with Shell, which had already been delivered by express. Infa was not widely discussed, but the agility of amers subsided after that. After three weeks, infa indirectly passed that one of the F-22, nevertheless, was overwhelmed. It’s clear that the Americans will not talk about this, and ours at that time did not yet have an official mandate from Assad. East is a quiet matter wink
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 24 October 2017 14: 23
          10
          Quote: esaul
          two ballistic missiles from an Israeli destroyer

          have a bite, comrade
          1. esaul
            esaul 24 October 2017 14: 38
            +6
            Oh well. In Idlib, too, Western instructors were captured by a whole bunch. Western emissaries immediately became frequent - carried - they released without scandal. The focal point in Syria was destroyed by aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces. There were all kinds of creatures there - Qatari, and American, and Israeli, and Jordanian "advisers" were. Everyone has a cover. Our western partners swallowed.
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 24 October 2017 14: 50
              +6
              Don’t believe in vain. At this rate, you are not far from equestrian aviation. After ballistic missiles on destroyers.
              1. esaul
                esaul 24 October 2017 15: 08
                +2
                Plus for attentiveness, comrade.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 October 2017 02: 51
              0
              Quote: esaul
              Oh well. In Idlib, too, Western instructors were captured by a whole bunch. Western emissaries immediately became frequent - carried - they released without scandal. The focal point in Syria was destroyed by aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces. There were all kinds of creatures there - Qatari, and American, and Israeli, and Jordanian "advisers" were. Everyone has a cover. Our western partners swallowed.

              Forgot to mention the representative of the Masons, the Rothschilds and Barbara Streisand. The latter survived - She was captured and forced to sing for free for a year at the corporate events of Moscow Region.
          2. milling machine
            milling machine 24 October 2017 14: 39
            +4
            Quote: Sharansky
            Quote: esaul
            two ballistic missiles from an Israeli destroyer

            have a bite, comrade

            Yes, this is the sect of Super Khibin, and 29 Tomahawks - you can’t prove anything to them.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 24 October 2017 14: 58
              +4
              Quote: frezer
              Yes, this is the sect of Super Khibin, and 29 Tomahawks - you can’t prove anything to them.

              About ballistic missiles from the destroyer belay , This is of course a masterpiece of masterpieces ..., well, and at the expense of the Tamahawks, the question is really not completely clear ... what
              1. DMB_95
                DMB_95 24 October 2017 16: 29
                +2
                Quote: NIKNN
                Quote: frezer
                Yes, this is the sect of Super Khibin, and 29 Tomahawks - you can’t prove anything to them.

                ..... well, and at the expense of the Tamahawks, the question is really not completely clear ... what

                Clear or not, but half of the Axes did not reach the goal. And the flowners worked on the goal for the C grade with a minus. And so what prevented them? soldier
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 October 2017 02: 48
          +1
          Quote: esaul
          About the secrecy of the F-22 ... I remember that at the very beginning of our intervention in the Syrian epic, when the Russian forces were pumped in Syria, the Americans and Israel tried to take the horse under the bridle - they launched two ballistic missiles from the Israeli destroyer, and two F -22. At this time, between the Syrian coast and the squadron of the pro-American coalition stood our group of ships with electronic warfare. Completely unpredictable missiles "killed themselves." The Israelis then turned on the fool and stated that they were weather balloons. About F-22 - silence, although there was information that one of them was littered with Shell, which had already been delivered by express. Infa was not widely discussed, but the agility of amers subsided after that. After three weeks, infa indirectly passed that one of the F-22, nevertheless, was overwhelmed. It’s clear that the Americans will not talk about this, and ours at that time did not yet have an official mandate from Assad. East is a quiet matter wink

          I don’t know about F 22, the Israelis launched a ballistic missile, which was shot down by a David Sling missile as part of a test of the latter.
          The Russians recorded the launch and raised kipish about the tests during the passions.
          Ah, yes - 2 Israeli crafts - a missile and a missile - were self-destructing. One shot down another. About participation in this Russian EW funds, I have not heard.
      4. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 24 October 2017 14: 17
        10
        The winner will be the Su-57 !!!! I see no reason for the victory of F22 (especially 35) .... well, you continue to believe in the exceptionalism of American weapons ..........
      5. Kurare
        Kurare 24 October 2017 14: 28
        +6
        Quote: The_Lancet
        But I bet on F. The reasons for not doing this do not exist

        "Good argument!" It reminds the phrase: this cannot be, since this cannot be.
      6. Now we are free
        Now we are free 24 October 2017 14: 38
        +6
        Ufff, really? Really SU-57 finally began to compare with the F-22 but not with the F-35?!?
        In any case, such a comparison is still premature, because the SU-57 is a multifunctional platform (initially) designed to work equally efficiently for both air targets and ground sea targets. The F-22 was originally planned with the goal of gaining air supremacy, moreover, the SU-57 has not yet been commissioned and is still undergoing tests, moreover, the final version of the aircraft must be equipped with a completely different engine, which is just being created ( and possibly already undergoing testing).
        In general, another comparison written on the water with a pitchfork ... wassat
      7. ydjin
        ydjin 24 October 2017 16: 22
        +1
        Quote: The_Lancet
        Very good. So far, they are compared in words on the Internet and not in battle.
        But I bet on F. The reasons for not doing this do not exist

        And I put on Su, and so far there was no reason to doubt him.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 24 October 2017 17: 34
          0
          Quote: ydjin
          And I bet on Su

          Bet on zero, you will not lose lol
        2. MadCat
          MadCat 25 October 2017 03: 22
          0
          Quote: ydjin
          And I put on Su, and so far there was no reason to doubt him.

          Undoubtedly, there is no reason to doubt what is not in the troops! fellow
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 24 October 2017 13: 58
    16
    C500 wins
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 24 October 2017 14: 17
      +7
      even S-300, S-400
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 24 October 2017 14: 36
        11
        Quote: Alexey-74
        even S-300, S-400


        if only not C125, it’s generally a shame laughing while she still leads in the account ..
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 October 2017 02: 54
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: Alexey-74
          even S-300, S-400


          if only not C125, it’s generally a shame laughing while she still leads in the account ..

          S125 - a lot of honor! 37mm anti-aircraft gun of WWII times!
      2. Sharansky
        Sharansky 24 October 2017 15: 12
        +2
        Quote: Alexey-74
        even S-300, S-400

        Syria has clearly demonstrated this. If the Earth were still flat ..
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 24 October 2017 18: 22
          +2
          Quote: Sharansky
          Syria has clearly demonstrated this. If the Earth were still flat ..

          And what did Syria demonstrate?
          All countries bring their samples there for testing, and if they would fill up the American, then what?
          To the whole world, the United States announced the failure of an invisible aircraft? No shit, everyone would shut up.
          It is worth recalling Yugoslavia All the mythical properties of the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk crashed on an old air defense system. Before that, it was just a super weapon, invisible, and at the same time .................... .....
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 24 October 2017 18: 25
            +2
            Quote: APASUS
            And what did Syria demonstrate?

            that Russian air defense workers thought the earth was flat.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 24 October 2017 18: 59
              +2
              Quote: Sharansky
              Quote: APASUS
              And what did Syria demonstrate?

              that Russian air defense workers thought the earth was flat.

              What word should I laugh after?
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 24 October 2017 22: 30
                +1
                After the word "shovel"
            2. not main
              not main 24 October 2017 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: Sharansky
              Quote: APASUS
              And what did Syria demonstrate?

              that Russian air defense workers thought the earth was flat.

              Sharansky from what will you be?
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 25 October 2017 19: 05
                +1
                Quote: non-primary
                Sharansky from what will you be?

                Is it not clear?
  3. seat9969
    seat9969 24 October 2017 14: 02
    +3
    compared a plane flying 10 years and a plane that doesn’t understand whether it will just do .....
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 24 October 2017 14: 07
      25
      Yes, yes, yes ... and the Crimean bridge was shot at Mosfilm laughing
    2. Dobron
      Dobron 24 October 2017 14: 18
      +6
      Yes, it’s hard to compare an airplane discontinued and an airplane whose production is just beginning
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 24 October 2017 17: 36
        +2
        Quote: Dobron
        Yes, it’s hard to compare an airplane discontinued and an airplane whose production is just beginning

        And both have never been in battle wink
    3. Uryukc
      Uryukc 24 October 2017 14: 52
      +2
      The aircraft from the beginning of development, which has passed 30 years, is compared with the aircraft that began to be developed 10 years ago.
    4. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 24 October 2017 15: 09
      0
      Drying still does not fly, yes, but they are already afraid of it, to put it mildly.
      And why?
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 25 October 2017 03: 26
        +1
        Quote: Vlad.by
        Drying still does not fly, yes, but they are already afraid of it, to put it mildly.

        NI and "fears." They have such a job, by the way they work for a salary from Russia.
    5. just exp
      just exp 24 October 2017 15: 59
      +3
      compared a plane flying 10 years

      he didn’t fly for 10 years, since 2009 he started more or less.
      and before that, it was funny because the pilots lost consciousness and lost one car and the pilot.
      only in 2009 they corrected the school of oxygen supply to the pilots and they began to fly regularly.
  4. pupsik
    pupsik 24 October 2017 14: 03
    +2
    This Amer’s publication is something like the Nashensky slaggy ren-tv, which carries nonsense.
    I think that amersky cars will win the battle with our stealth, because for ours, as usual, communications, intelligence and quality of control will be lame - our long-standing and, it seems, incorrigible troubles.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 October 2017 14: 07
      +9
      Quote: pupsik
      I think that amersky cars will win

      therefore, you and the "baby-boy" ... wassat about the pilots, not a word ... namely, they play a decisive role. soldier
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 24 October 2017 14: 11
      12
      Quote: pupsik
      .to. for ours, as usual, communications, intelligence and quality of control will be lame - our long-standing and, it seems, incorrigible troubles.

      And in general, our equipment is rusty, everyone has stolen, pensioners are starving, and in general they have sold everything. good laughing just a genius of analytics. laughing
      1. Sharansky
        Sharansky 24 October 2017 14: 24
        +5
        But in fact, the technique is painted and pensioners live and travel around the world. Nothing is sold or stolen.
        1. True
          True 24 October 2017 14: 43
          +3
          Quote: Sharansky
          But in fact, the technique is painted and pensioners live and travel around the world. Nothing is sold or stolen.

          Didn’t you watch the ads !? Retirees are fattening, even as.
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 24 October 2017 14: 48
          0
          Good sarcasm, but you need a little thinner ...)))
        3. not main
          not main 24 October 2017 22: 10
          +2
          Quote: Sharansky
          But in fact, the technique is painted and pensioners live and travel around the world. Nothing is sold or stolen.

          And how to deal with this troll? When there is no possibility, the same minuses! And these ... well, in short, you understand! I think they’ll ban me, maybe Shiransky and KO will surely annoy modders!
  5. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 24 October 2017 14: 05
    +1
    When the Su-57 (T-50 PAK FA) of the first stage, will begin to flow into the front of the VKS? If you look through the Internet, you can meet the dates of 2016, 2017 years ...
    1. askort154
      askort154 24 October 2017 14: 15
      +1
      Nevsky_ZU .....When the Su-57 (T-50 PAK FA) of the first stage, begin to arrive in combat units of the airborne forces? If you browse the Internet, you can meet the dates of 2016, 2017 ...

      What is the use of F-35 since 2000 ?! . All in "sores", and they are afraid to start a fight even with 3 countries. yes
  6. san4es
    san4es 24 October 2017 14: 13
    +3
    US media tried to determine the winner in the Su-57 battle with F-22

    ... they are incompetent am
  7. Berber
    Berber 24 October 2017 14: 15
    +1
    We hope that we will only reflect on this meeting.[B] [/ b]
    Here I agree with the authors. Better try it on the sites and that’s it.
  8. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 24 October 2017 14: 16
    +5
    Five times have already been compared.
    It’s better not to bother with an air incident, but to simulate a battle or even a major Air operation using all the different types of combat aircraft, drones, air defense and electronic warfare systems, fleets, with enemy attacks on the ground infrastructure of the Air Force, broken down by echelon and with an approximate strength parties. For clarity, you can arbitrarily determine the place of the simulated war --- this is the area of ​​Poland-the Baltic states. Damantsev would have done it.
    1. himRa
      himRa 24 October 2017 14: 34
      +3
      Yes, let them simulate what they want! Our wars are convinced that we have a good and solid weapon! When I served, I thought just like that ... this conviction helps the soldier to fight ... there are those who will not be able to convince despite a possible paralysis ....
      We will defend ourselves and whoever goes to serve the enemy will be our enemy!
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 24 October 2017 14: 16
    +2
    Alas, there is nothing to compare yet ... The US Air Force has about 200 F-22s, while the Russian Federation has less than 20 Su-57s.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 October 2017 14: 50
      +1
      We do not have a Su-57, we still have an experimental T-50, I hope that I will see it as an SU-57.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 24 October 2017 15: 15
        +3
        In 2008, the Russian Federation had only one Su-34, not yet accepted for service, which did not prevent it from being thrown into battle ...
    2. purple
      purple 24 October 2017 14: 53
      +1
      the most interesting thing is when they make a radar that will detect stealth ... all these tricks with invisible planes will become useless ... and all these 200 raptors will become a bunch of useless expensive scrap metal.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 24 October 2017 15: 13
        +3
        Stealth is even detected by the S-125 Pecher air defense radar, which in Yugoslavia shot down the F-117. Stealth reduces the visibility of the aircraft without making it invisible to radar. Aircraft make less visible, radars make more sensitive. This is the development and competition of technology. Improving defense and attack comes from the time of the sword and bow ....
  10. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 24 October 2017 14: 18
    +2
    Again 25, tired already. F-22 has been flying for a long time, is already becoming obsolete (for example, avionics), SU-57 is not present and it is not known whether it will be at all (since it’s expensive and there is no money). There is nothing to compare.
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 24 October 2017 14: 29
    +6
    It is pointless to compare, since there are no data on Su-57, and only advertisements on Raptor. And advertising is not information. Lockheed still claims that F-16 has never been shot down in battle laughing
    By the way, I looked at leisure, remembered Latin and laughed. Raptus in Latin - rape. So the raptor is apparently just a rapist. In this case, oral-cerebral. Brain tormenting people laughing
  12. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 24 October 2017 14: 33
    +2
    American journalists from Fu-tu-tu .... Change your lifestyle. And our plane is intended to play.
  13. chidoryan
    chidoryan 24 October 2017 14: 45
    +2
    Is there any point in comparing what is and what is not yet? The entire Su-57 is not yet in the series, there is no engine, and all these troubled affairs with the Indians are alarming - they are unhappy with the performance characteristics of the joint FGFA project. While the Raptor is not only in the series, and in such normal quantities, it is already in operation, and serial production is completed. By the time ours bring their fifth generation (given the discontent of the Indians, there are still questions about whether it is the fifth), the mattresses are already the sixth unmanned to rive. With railgun lasers and a flock of mini-drones to boot.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 24 October 2017 15: 55
      +3
      If you want to ruin a country, give it F22, a few. The release of these planes was frozen due to the fact that even for Americans it is expensive, besides, not all shortcomings and miscalculations have been eliminated. For real combat operations, when the runway has no time to sweep techniques for three days without sleep, the American technique is not good. Remember the same M15, and shoots accurately and the cartridges are easier and the ergonomics are better, and the soldiers threw them and picked up the AK, in the states nothing has changed since then, the advertisement is always a lie, only real indicators (God forbid).
      1. chidoryan
        chidoryan 24 October 2017 16: 09
        +1
        About picked up AK and threw M15 heard that this is a myth. What was picked up as a trophy. In addition, the rifles of this line today are not as capricious as they were before. All these myths about worthless American weapons to a critical mind can not spread. Yes, not everything is smooth with them, their own school, their own specifics, their own schools. Duc and we have the same.
  14. sanches-nk
    sanches-nk 24 October 2017 15: 12
    +2
    Something seems to me that in the front hemisphere their ESR is equally low and there will be either Avax guidance devices. And other things being equal, the SU-57 seems to have a much cooler radar.
  15. Andrey Panov
    Andrey Panov 24 October 2017 15: 27
    +4
    What is the argument about? Who am I ... cooler? Compare the forces used, and the result in Syria. This will be the truth.
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 24 October 2017 15: 29
    +4
    For me, history has also proved that when ours fight the enemy on an equal footing, they will fly from those "fluff and feathers" ... however, it didn’t come out on equal terms, and more than once!
    If only there weren’t those who started screaming FU ... they gave the FAS command and the enemy will be defeated !!!
    Avon how it turned out ... in fact, it is not proven that, technically, the Yankees are ahead of the rest.
    For all their cunning / dear little things, there’s Vanya with a crowbar and cartilage ...
  17. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 October 2017 15: 37
    +1
    A joke about comparisons.
    "A man went over a hill on a business trip. A couple of weeks later he comes and tells his wife:
    - I went into a restaurant, and there at the entrance you take off your coat and carry it yourself to the wardrobe. It seems a trifle, but nice. At the entrance to the hotel, the doorman opens the doors in front of you. It seems a trifle, but nice. At the company there is a boss with everyone, even with the cleaners on "you". It seems a trifle, but nice ....
    The wife in response:
    - And I gave a godfather last week. So he’s two centimeters longer than yours. It’s a trifle, but nice .... "
    Morality - it is necessary to measure real, not virtual repeat soldier
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 October 2017 15: 49
      +4
      Let's not really measure ... I don't want anymore.
      We’ll have a chat in our “mug” and go have a drink or something!
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 24 October 2017 15: 58
        +2
        Okay smile let the generals on the cards fight soldier
        and we will stay in the kitchens each with his own drinks
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 24 October 2017 16: 03
          +3
          Why is it each with his own ... sales when he does not agree with the appan, there is an incentive to understand the topic more thoroughly!
          It is possible in the kitchen, with a beer and a roach ... all the more so in this year's class! and a lot was caught!
          Any dialogue is interesting to me ... without rudeness and insults of course.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 24 October 2017 16: 09
            0
            I mean that “white and fluffy” would think about the power of their cuttlefish, and we will praise our swans fellow wink drinks hi
        2. ydjin
          ydjin 24 October 2017 16: 54
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Okay smile let the generals on the cards fight soldier
          and we will stay in the kitchens each with his own drinks

          And here is a more interesting problem for me. This year I couldn’t eat on our Sakhalin Fresh Pink Salmon and five-minute red caviar! On Sakhalin, salmon was completely beaten out if the rivers were blocked for many years by the so-called RUZ (fish-counting barriers), and everyone was scooped up under this brand without letting the fish out for reproduction! If this year hungry bears who have not accumulated fat for hibernation terrorize Sakhalin villages, and villages hunt chain dogs and even climb into houses! Who is to blame and what kind of officials rule the ball by plundering Russia? Appoint me to the firing squad, although murder is disgusting to me, but for betraying our people I am ready to sacrifice principles in the name of Life! IMHO.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 October 2017 23: 19
            +3
            By the way, we have the biggest poachers at the ecologists too ... the foodstuffs and huntsmen don’t bother with them, the feds, so to speak, our local people are not given a decree.
            Our company had a chic vacation spot ... fish, crayfish as much as necessary and catch it. We never hooligans, thought for the future ... and then they arrived, and the place was covered with brass ...
  18. lazy
    lazy 24 October 2017 16: 11
    0
    in addition to invisibility, there are also electronic warfare equipment, which it would be useless to see if you cannot strike. and to see, you need your radar to work, such a fi22 ninja with a flashlight
  19. Awaz
    Awaz 24 October 2017 18: 27
    0
    comparisons are certainly strange, but there is a story. And if you do not teach history, you will constantly step on the same rake. Historically, Russian fighters and pilots are still no worse than the most experienced and well-trained opponents. American pilots are hardly the best right now. The only trouble is that there are too many .....
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 October 2017 21: 59
      +3
      The Americans have a baa alsha problem with the flight crew ... if the question arises is to go into a real battle, against a really strong opponent, how much will this problem become bigger ???
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 24 October 2017 18: 34
    0
    it's all “iron”, and most importantly it’s the readiness of the flight crew ...
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    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 October 2017 22: 06
      +3
      Hide Wishlist everyone, Schaub was not visible. Stop fooling however.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 24 October 2017 22: 17
        +1
        Is this the battle of an invisible unicorn with a tyrannosaurus?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 24 October 2017 22: 48
          +4
          Invisible - funny. Okay, dream for now. When this bird will be plucked in the tail and mane, we can begin to recall old Russian sayings, those of the former
          Popular wisdom, however, is not simple and not so.
  22. viktorch
    viktorch 25 October 2017 15: 39
    0
    plastic toys compare? I like f23 more