Destroyers "Orly Burke". Record holders with rocket weapons

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In June 2011, the US Navy Command announced plans for the future of US Navy destroyers. The promising destroyers of the Zumwalt type proved to be too expensive for mass production, so it was decided to leave the Arleigh Burk project as the main destroyer of the Navy. In addition, ships of the Orly Burke type will replenish the fleet until the early thirties of this century. During this time, American shipyards will collect two dozen destroyers. Based on the ship’s usual life expectancy for the United States Navy, it can be assumed that the last Orly Burke-type ship will be decommissioned fleet only in the seventies of this century. Apparently, the US Navy command has its own considerations that allow these destroyers to fit into such a distant future.

Destroyers "Orly Burke". Record holders with rocket weapons


To provide an advantage over the USSR Navy in the middle of the 70, American naval sailors wanted to get destroyers of a new project. The recently appeared Spruences, although they were modern ships, still did not have great prospects and demanded, if not a replacement, then at least a serious addition. In addition to this, the Spruance class destroyers, in spite of the available weapons, were listed in official documents as ordinary destroyers of the destroyers, and time and situation required full-fledged destroyers of URO (with guided missile weapons). Work on the formation of the appearance of the new ship and the technical specifications for it took several years and the competition for the development began only in 1980 year. It took about seven years for seven shipbuilding companies to create competitive advance projects, after which three competitors remained: Bath Iron Works, Ingalls Shipbuilding and Todd Shipyard. The third firm was never able to get the “attention” of the competition commission, which is why the construction of the first two ships of the new project was entrusted to Bath Iron Works and Ingalls Shipbuilding, respectively. The project, as well as its lead ship, was named after Admiral Orly Albert Burke, who commanded various destroyer units for most of World War II. The contract with Bath Iron Works for 322 million dollars was concluded in April 85 th. However, the total cost of the head destroyer was several times higher. Taking into account all electronic equipment, weapons, etc. it cost the Pentagon 1,1 billion.

The construction of the USS Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) began at the end of 1988, and on the Independence Day of 1991, it was commissioned. In the future, two shipyards - Bath Iron Works and Ingalls Shipbuilding - another two dozen such ships were built. The first two dozen ships of the new project were made in accordance with the first version of the project, which received the name Flight I. However, soon after the start of construction of the lead project of the first series, American shipbuilders began to modernize. As a result, the USS Mahan destroyer ordered back in 1992 was being completed as the first ship of the second series. The construction of the destroyers Flight II version was more modest: only seven ships. It is alleged that the small second series was initially considered as a transitional link from the first to the third. And so it happened, but contrary to logic, the new version of the project did not have a troika in the index, but the designation IIA. This line was the most numerous. At the moment, the 34 destroyers Orly Burk of the IIA series have been built and their construction continues. The total number of ships under the old plans was to make 75 units, but for now only 62 are ready. Most likely, those 24 destroyers that will be ordered later will be made in the next version of the project.



All existing series of ships - I, II and IIA - have only minor differences in design. They are caused by the features of the installed equipment and the operation of helicopters. The rest of the design is similar. "Orly Burke" of all three series are single-hulled ships with a long forecastle. It is noteworthy that the vast majority of parts of the ship hull are made of high-strength steel grades. The fact is that after the Second World War, American shipbuilders began to actively use aluminum parts in the construction of ships of this class. In engineering terms, this was a good undertaking, but the experience of battles with the participation of aluminum ships forced us to return to steel. Of aluminum on the destroyers "Orly Burke" are made only some details, for example, the mast. The low-seating body has a relatively small camber of the frames in the bow and a relatively wide middle part. This form of the body slightly increases the water resistance, but improves stability and reduces pitching. On ships of the IIA series, a bow bulb was added, compensating for the worsening of the flow due to the characteristics of the hull lines. Watertight bulkheads divide the internal volume of the shell into the 13 compartments. It is curious that the lower decks have a layout that allows you to navigate the ship without limitation, without leaving the upper deck. This was done so that the crew was not at risk if the enemy used weapons of mass destruction. In addition to specially designed interior spaces, protection of the crew from chemical, biological and nuclear weapons is provided by a special ventilation system with multiple filtration of the air taken in from outside.

"Orly Burke" became the first American destroyer squadrons, whose hull and superstructure are made using stealth technology. To reduce radar visibility, the outer surface of the ship's superstructure consists of several large, even panels connected at acute angles, resulting in noticeable dispersion of radio waves. Chimney covers are similarly made. In addition, the exhaust of the power plant before release passes through a special mixing chamber, where it mixes with atmospheric air and is cooled. As a result, ships like the Orly Burke have almost two times less radar and thermal visibility than their predecessors of the Spryens type. The use of large parts to reduce visibility, among other things, allowed the design of the ship to be modular. Thanks to this, 10-15 weeks go by from laying the ship to its launching.

The two-shaft power plant of the Orly Burk destroyers of all series includes four gas-turbine engines LM2500 manufactured by General Electric. Each engine is equipped with a heat insulating circuit, which reduces fuel consumption by almost a quarter, and is installed on shock absorbing supports, which reduce noise. The entire power plant of the ship is a single module, which, if necessary, can be completely dismantled. The maximum possible power of the power plant is within 100-105 thousands of horsepower. As a backup engine for destroyers of all series there are three gas turbine engines Allison 2500. The power of the main and backup engines is transmitted to the two shafts, rotating the five-blade screws of variable pitch.



The destroyers of the Orly Burk project are capable of speeds up to 32 nodes, but the maximum cruising range is achieved at economic speed in 20 nodes. In this case, the first series of destroyers can go up to 4400 nautical miles, and the ships of series II and IIA - for five thousand more. At the same time, in some American sources it is argued that reducing the speed to 18 nodes can bring the cruising range to six thousand miles. However, there is some doubt about this.

The first 28 ships of the Orly Burk type (series I and II) had a crew of 320-350 people: 22-25 officers and 300-330 sailors, warrant officers, etc. The difference in numbers was due to some differences in weapons and in the number of helicopters. On ships of the IIA series, the required number of crews were revised in a number of services and a maintenance group for two helicopters was added. All this led to an increase in the crew to 380 people (32 officer). Americans emphasize the fact that designers and ergonomic experts participated in the layout of the dwellings of the Orly Burk ships. Due to this, with an area of ​​about four square meters per person, it was possible to create all the necessary conditions for normal living.

The Orly Burk destroyer armament includes many systems, but its basis is the Aegis control system (read Idgis). This multifunctional combat information management system (CICS) combines a whole set of detection, control and destruction equipment. The structure of Aegis includes a multifunctional radar with a phased antenna array, radar detection of air and surface targets, electronic warfare equipment, communications equipment, etc. In addition, the Aegis has a number of subsystems for displaying information, transferring data to other ships, and direct weapon control systems.

The basis of the Orly Burk destroyers are various types of missiles. In the fore and aft parts of the ships of all series there are universal mine launchers Mk 41. On ships of series I and II, the bow and stern launcher incorporates 30 and 60 cells, respectively. On the IIA series, the number of cells increased to 32 and 64. A transport and launch container with a BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile, an SM-2 or SM-3 anti-aircraft gun, or a block of four containers with anti-aircraft missiles RIM-7 Sea Sparrow can be placed in one cell. Launcher equipment allows you to simultaneously prepare 16 rockets of various types for launch and launch them at a rate of one rocket per second. In addition to the launchers, the Mk 41 has several cranes for loading TPK with missiles. However, the features of the crane equipment and the design of the destroyer do not allow to overload Tomahawk or SM-2 / 3 missiles from supply ships. Loading of such weapons is possible only in the conditions of the base. This disadvantage is compensated for by the flexibility of the armaments nomenclature: if the ship is to attack ground targets, it will receive Tomahawks, if the ship performs air defense functions, Sea Sparrow or SM-2 / 3 are loaded onto it.



The "main caliber" of destroyers artillery armament is the 127-mm Mk 45 installation. At the same time on the first 30 copies of "Orly Burke" was installed Mk 45 Mod. 2, on the rest - Mk 45 Mod. 4. A bulletproof installation can direct 127-mm rifled guns ranging from -15 ° to + 65 ° vertically and in almost all directions horizontally, of course, with the exception of the sector being closed by the ship's superstructure. The rate of fire of the Mk 45 conventional shells reaches 20 rounds per minute, and in the case of guided ammunition, it drops twice. The maximum firing range of the unguided projectile in the Mk 45 mod. 4 is 35-38 kilometers. When using a controlled active-projectile ERGM, this figure increases to 115 kilometers. In the artillery cellar of the Orly Burk destroyers, the ammunition in 680 of various types of shells fits. It takes about 15-16 hours to load all this number of shells.

Anti-aircraft artillery "Orly Burke" can be equipped with various types of weapons. On ships I, II series, as well as on the first several destroyers of the IIA series installed six-barrel 20-mm anti-aircraft guns Mk 15 Phalanx CIWS with a rate of fire to 3000 shots per minute. Fewer ships were equipped with Bushmaster 25-mm automatic cannons, and almost all Orly Burk have several (from three to six) heavy machine guns Browning M2HB on board. Despite its original purpose, M2HB and Bushmaster are not very effective for air defense. Therefore, they are used only for training personnel and firing at small targets, like light boats and motor boats.

For the destruction of more serious surface targets on the destroyers of all three series there are two built torpedo tubes Mk 32 with a total ammunition load of six torpedoes. These can be Mk 46 or Mk 50. When creating the Orly Burk destroyers, the main focus was on rocket armament; therefore, the crew’s reloading of torpedo tubes after the shooting of all six torpedoes is not provided. In earlier versions of the project, engineers considered the use of depth bombs on Orly Burk, but even Flight I did not reach this tactical and technical solution.

One SH-60 helicopter could be based on the deck of the ships of the first and second series. Near the landing pad there was a kerosene tank and a small "warehouse" with weapons - nine Mk 46 torpedoes. Helicopters designed to be based on Orly Burke destroyers have the LAMPS-3 anti-submarine system integrated into the Aegis general integrated control system. Due to the limited volumes of the ships of the first two series, they did not have any means of maintenance or repair of the helicopter, except for those that are on board. Thus, any more or less serious damage led to the fact that the ship was left without rotorcraft "eyes". When creating the IIA version of the project, these shortcomings were taken into account and the shipbuilders made a special helicopter hangar in the stern of the ship's hull, due aviation the destroyer group doubled. This is what required the introduction of a crew for the maintenance of aircraft. Engineers also increased their arsenal for helicopter weapons: on the Orly Burke IIA series it can fit up to 40 torpedoes, air-to-ground missiles of various types, and even several MANPADS.

Destroyers such as "Orly Burke" participated in several military conflicts, starting almost from the very beginning of their service. Iraq in 1996, 1998 and 2003, Yugoslavia in 1999, and a few more operations. Due to its large number (there are sixty ships currently in the ranks), these destroyers participate in virtually every campaign of the US Navy. However, in Russia these ships are better known thanks to the “mission” of the destroyer USS McFaul (DDG-74), which he performed in August 2008. Recall, then, a few days after the end of the infamous "War of Three Eights", this ship brought 55 tons of humanitarian supplies to the Georgian port of Batumi.



In addition to combat successes and interesting design destroyers "Orly Burke" are in some way champions in the US Navy. The fact is that with a full displacement of about 8500 tons (series I), 9000 tons (series II) and 9650 (series IIA), Orly Burk is the most massive American warship with a displacement of more than five thousand tons. This fact suggests that this type of ship is the undoubted success of American shipbuilding. Also in favor of the success of the project says the fact that they were once interested in the Japanese. The 1993-95 included four Congo-type destroyers in the Japanese self-defense forces. In fact, these are the same “Orly Burke”, but modified in such a way as to conform to the legal features of the Japanese fleet.

Like any other project, "Orly Burke" with time had to be replaced by a newer technique. But, unfortunately for US Navy, the promising project of the destroyer URO called Zumwalt turned out to be much more expensive than planned. Thanks to this failure of the Zamvolt, “Orly Burke” will remain in service in the future. When adopting these ships, it was planned that they would serve for about 35 years. But the lack of mass production of the Zumwalt destroyers forced the command of the American fleet to begin the creation of a new version of the project (series III) last year and to outline plans for the purchase of 24 ships over 75 already ordered. Together with the assumption about the possible duration of the Orly Burke service until the seventies of this century, this may help these destroyers set another record. This time regarding the service life.
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  1. -48
    9 March 2012 09: 52
    Judging by the armament of the ship, it’s extremely useless ... Unless it’s humanitarian aid ...
    1. putinfob
      +39
      9 March 2012 11: 07
      Quote: ward
      Judging by the armament of the ship, it’s extremely useless ... Unless it’s humanitarian aid ...

      Extremely moronic comment fool
      1. +7
        9 March 2012 17: 02
        A team of thirty scientists from the US Navy's Office of Combat Space and Marine Systems (SPAWAR), led by its leader Daniel Tam, solved the problem of congestion in warship antennas, reports The Economist.

        In the 2007 year, Daniel Tam concluded that if sodium and chloride ions contained in seawater conduct an electric current, then a stream of seawater can replace a traditional metal antenna.

        To create an 4-meter water column and get a clear signal, Tam needed a water pump, a rubber hose and an inductor connected to a portable radio transmitter. A few years later, his invention was finalized and was able to transmit signals over a distance of more than 50 km.

        First of all, it is necessary to connect the inductor to the antenna connector of the radio transmitter. The seawater stream passing through the opening of the coil receives signals through electromagnetic induction. The antenna can be tuned to the frequency of these signals by changing the length of the water column. For example, for short-wave antennas, a jet 18-24 meters high is sufficient. And to increase the signal bandwidth (i.e. transfer more voluminous data, for example, video), it is necessary to make the water column thicker. The numbers say that the system is economical - the coil consumes less electricity than three table lamps.

        A large warship carries over a hundred different antennas that have a number of shortcomings - large dimensions (many of them are more than 20 meters high and weigh about 3,5 tons), difficulties with being on board, mutual interference, radar visibility, vulnerability in battle and when storm, etc.

        Unlike standard metal predecessors, all elements of a water antenna are practically weightless, easily dismantled and have a host of other advantages. As you know, not all ship antennas are used at the same time, that is, the parameters of water columns can be constantly changed depending on the types of antennas needed at the moment. According to SPAWAR experts, ten such antennas can replace about 80 traditional ones. In addition, the reflecting effect of sea water is less than that of metal, i.e. if the ship needs maximum stealth (which implies minimal radiation work), it is enough for the ship commander to instruct him to remove all the water columns of the antennas.

        The only drawback of water antennas is their vulnerability to strong winds. Nevertheless, SPAWAR scientists came to the conclusion that a plastic tube with a closed top retains all the properties of such an antenna and allows you to reuse the same volume of water. The design of the closed pipe allows the invention to be applied not only in the fleet - an ordinary solution of fresh water and a few pinches of salt are enough for the antenna to work. In the absence of these ingredients, they can be replaced with a regular energy drink.
        1. +1
          9 March 2012 22: 34
          On shortwave and VHF - possible. But to create a water fountain and replace it with a PHA of the centimeter range - a chimera.
        2. +2
          10 March 2012 12: 27
          Cute Sixteen ...
          some nonsense .. about an antenna out of the water ...
          resembles fishing tales ... like catfish lure .. clapping his hand on the water ...
          not in the sense that it’s impossible ... maybe it is.
          but in that - that is nonsense.
          The sea surface is so good - as the underlying ... this is a term from the course of electrodynamics and propagation of radio waves.
          To achieve the efficiency of a water antenna ... you can ... but you need to decouple all parasitic connections from the "earth" ... in this case - from water, ocean, sea ..
          How is grounding arranged on ships, on ships - do you know at all?
          At the same time, take an interest in the invisibility principle - due to the airborne cloud, the principle of the magnetic plasma cloud in aviation.
          Invisibility ... he sees nothing.
          1. -1
            10 March 2012 12: 48
            Again I slipped by ... I didn’t enter right away ...
            “Nevertheless, SPAWAR scientists came to the conclusion that a closed-top plastic pipe retains all the properties of such an antenna and allows the same volume of water to be used repeatedly. The closed pipe design allows the invention to be applied not only in the fleet - a conventional solution is enough for the antenna to work. from fresh water and a few pinches of salt. In the absence of these ingredients, you can Replace with an ordinary energy drink."

            Wotan where, really, a womb ... wotan ..... it turns out that the American warriors are not being given enough energizers ... they convinced the SPAWAR office to do this. she decided that without energizers - the antenna - kirdyk ... And if you add - Codeine to the energizer - it turns out - Crocodile ....
            know what it is, huh?
            Addictive with the first dose, mortality 100% for 4 months ...
            Amazing stuff ...
        3. 0
          23 March 2018 19: 55
          Decided?!?! and which US floating shit has such antennas?!?!
    2. jamert
      +15
      9 March 2012 11: 34
      96 rocket mines, in your opinion a little?
      1. VIKING
        +13
        9 March 2012 12: 13
        Quote: jamert
        96 rocket mines, in your opinion a little?

        More than enough, and this despite the fact that the Mk.41 UVP is universal - it can be equipped in any proportion with anti-aircraft, including anti-satellite, anti-submarine, and cruise missiles in an attack or anti-ship version. By the way, in one cell instead of one "Standard" (or "Tomahawk", or "Asrok"), you can charge 4 ESSM missiles. So in response to this:
        Judging by the armament of the ship, it’s extremely useless ... Unless it’s humanitarian aid ...

        It can and must be said that these ships are much more versatile and better armed than any Russian ship, including the "Peter the Great". Only the Ticonderogs and the South Korean twins of the Burks are destroyers of the King Sejong type more powerful than the Arlie Burks - they have more missiles.
        1. +7
          9 March 2012 14: 49
          UVP Mk.41 is universal - it can be equipped in any proportion with anti-aircraft, including anti-satellite, anti-submarine, and cruise missiles in a strike or anti-ship version. By the way, in one cell instead of one "Standard" (or "Tomahawk", or "Asrok"), you can charge 4 ESSM missiles.

          It is not as simple as you wrote. There are 3 variants of the Mark-41, of which only the "longest" is suitable for "Tomahawks". There are only 7 eight-charge modules on "Arleigh Burks", capable of receiving 56 Tomahawks.
          So far from any proportion.

          and the South Korean Burke twin destroyers of the King Sejong class - they have more missiles.
          But these guys, like all NATO allies (Turkey, Australia), are supplied with only the "shortest" module, where only ESSM and ASROC are placed
          1. jamert
            0
            9 March 2012 15: 58
            But these guys, like all NATO allies (Turkey, Australia), are supplied with only the "shortest" module, where only ESSM and ASROC are placed


            And where are they then placing the harpoons? And by the way, can type 45 British destroyers be equipped with tomahawks?
            1. Tram boom
              +1
              9 March 2012 16: 14
              Harpoons in the ship version are launched with four-container PU Mark-141

              And by the way, can British 45 destroyers be equipped with tomahawks?
              Of course not. There is a different type of UVP - French SYLVER.
              Although it is possible in the future, the French UVP also has "long" modules
            2. +8
              9 March 2012 16: 18
              Harpoons in the ship version are launched with four-container PU Mark-141

              And by the way, can British 45 destroyers be equipped with tomahawks?
              Of course not. There is a different type of UVP - French SYLVER.
              Although it is possible in the future, the French UVP also has "long" modules
            3. VIKING
              +1
              10 March 2012 01: 17
              Quote: jamert
              And where are they then placing the harpoons?

              "Harpoons" are placed in separate containers, four containers per block, on the upper deck. Only on ships that had, or have a single-beam launcher Mk.13, the Harpoon anti-ship missile system was stored in a rocket store, and if necessary, fed to this launcher and launched from it, for example the Oliver Perry frigates.
          2. VIKING
            +3
            10 March 2012 01: 08
            I meant that not a single cell in each of the containers of eight missiles can be equipped as you want, but already, the container, for the upcoming operation, was equipped with the necessary ammunition. How many such containers are on the "burks"? Eight? So: all eight can be: either "asrok", or "tomahok", or "standards", or "es-es-em-mi" - this is theoretically, in reality - a mixed ammunition - and "standards", and "tomahoki", and "asroki" ...
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            But these guys, like all NATO allies (Turkey, Australia), are supplied with only the "shortest" module, where only ESSM and ASROC are placed

            Turkey does not have Aegis, and is not expected. Australia's Aegis ships are still under construction. The Korean "Burke" - King Sejong, is designed to apply "standards". So if the US supplies its friends with Aegis in a truncated form, but, IMHO, this "castrate" is still more effective than the Russian "fort", if the "fort" is taken as an analogue of "Aegis", which is not correct. It would be correct to consider the Soviet Mars-Passat as an analogue of Aegis, which was never brought to mind, and the topic was fucked up.
            1. +3
              10 March 2012 14: 47
              Turkey does not have Aegis and is not expected to. Australia's Aegis ships are still under construction.
              VIKING I was not talking about Aegis, but about its component, VPU Mark-41. One of the most common starting systems in the world.

              So if the US supplies its friends with Aegis in a truncated form, but, IMHO, this "castrate" is still more effective than the Russian "fort", if the "fort" is taken as an analogue of "Aegis", which is not correct.

              Again, not quite right. It is BIUS Aegis that supplies some allies (South Korea, Japan, Spain). Aegis is too expensive for some allies (Turkey, for example), but they are happy to install Mark-41 vertical launchers on their ships

              And this fort is just a long-range SAM
        2. gor
          gor
          0
          9 March 2012 14: 58
          ticonderoga is more powerful only in quantity and in quality they are equal
          1. 0
            26 May 2017 17: 39
            A huge difference in the number and effectiveness of radars.
  2. 755962
    +27
    9 March 2012 10: 02
    We must admit and give credit - these are some of the best ships in the world.
    1. Kibb
      +22
      9 March 2012 11: 44
      Great ship, you really need to do justice, and take an example
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +9
      9 March 2012 14: 09
      Quote: 755962
      We must admit and give credit - these are some of the best ships in the world.

      Unfortunately, but absolutely for sure!
      in terms of combat capabilities, it is comparable to the URO cruiser, and the saddest thing for us is that there are a lot of them !!!
  3. Gromila78
    +7
    9 March 2012 10: 45
    Each engine is equipped with a heat-insulating circuit, which reduces fuel consumption by almost a quarter, and is mounted on shock absorbing bearings that reduce noise.
    maybe not a heat insulating but a heat recovery circuit (TUK) - as on the 1164 project?
  4. raptor_fallout
    +19
    9 March 2012 10: 59
    Very, very not willing to admit, but the ship is really good!
  5. Gromila78
    +8
    9 March 2012 11: 07
    The video from Ren-TV made laugh again (at 0:51) - with a displacement of 5000 tons, the destroyers Arly Burke became the largest ships in the entire post-war history of the fleet laughing And we are mocking Discovery - we have our own dolbyotyaty enough.
    1. jamert
      +2
      9 March 2012 11: 37
      True ... from stupid people ... and a couple of times the destroyers were called a ship and not a ship
      1. jamert
        0
        9 March 2012 11: 40
        Sm-2 made anti-ship missile and at the same time anti-space
        1. VIKING
          +12
          9 March 2012 12: 22
          Quote: jamert
          Sm-2 made anti-ship missile and at the same time anti-space

          SM-2 is not literally anti-ship, this is its additional option, Russian ship missiles have the same function. But she cannot shoot through outer space, for this there is a specialized version of the SM-3.
          1. +1
            9 March 2012 14: 54
            SM-2 is not literally anti-ship, this is its additional option, Russian ship missiles have the same function.

            Nothing like this. On the basis of the SM-2, a specialized LASM (Land Attack Standard Missle) and the development of the 70s, an aviation version of the "Standard" for attacking ground targets, were developed.
            1. +1
              9 March 2012 15: 25
              it is just as dead as the RCC version of the tomahawk.
              1. Tram boom
                0
                9 March 2012 15: 40
                It’s not so categorical))) Aviation Standard ARM, together with Shrike became the main anti-radar tool in Vietnam, and in Israel they were generally launched from ground launchers
                1. +2
                  9 March 2012 16: 04
                  categorically not categorically this is a fact. RCC version of the tomahawk is not built into their application system
                  The same tomahawk as RCC has no advantages over the Harpoons of the extreme blocks.
                  BUT at the same time the harpoon has more carriers.
                  I want to hear about the two-medium application from the comrade Tram boom
                  How will target selection be carried out for SM-2 for ground and air targets. In the context of the mirror antenna for the radar.
                  1. Jaguar
                    +1
                    9 March 2012 21: 58
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    The same tomahawk as RCC has no advantages over the Harpoons of the extreme blocks.
                    A much longer range is not an advantage?
              2. Jaguar
                0
                9 March 2012 15: 52
                RCC version of the tomahawk. Again going to do
                1. +1
                  9 March 2012 16: 10
                  don't do it. And the more of this ....... put on the fleet the better for us.
                  But the question is what niche this weapon has.
    2. VIKING
      +13
      9 March 2012 11: 49
      Quote: Gromila78
      with a displacement of 5000 tons, Arly Burke destroyers became the largest ships in the entire post-war history of the fleet


      The destroyers of the 1st series (21 ships in the series, the lead ship "Arleigh Burke") have a standard displacement of 6630 tons and a total displacement of 8448 tons.
      Series 2 (7 ships, the first in the Mahan series) already weighs 6907 tons and 9073 tons, respectively.
      Series 2A (starting with Oscar Austin - 34 boards have already been built) - 7061 tons and 9648 tons - respectively.

      So the phrase from the "military secret" - destroyers Arly Burke became the largest ships in the entire post-war history of the fleet - not far from the truth, if of course you take into account what exactly was meant destroyersas a class of ships. And so, I agree, this transmission, that trash, must be filtered very carefully.
      1. Gromila78
        +1
        9 March 2012 12: 07
        Quote: VIKING
        So the phrase from the "military secret" - the destroyers of Arleigh Burke became the largest ships in the entire post-war history of the fleet - is not far from the truth, if, of course, you take into account that they meant destroyers as a class of ships.

        I do not agree, we are talking about the largest series of ships with a displacement of over 5000 tons - and the article says this, Ren-TV says bluntly - the displacement of Arly Burke is 5000 tons and these are the largest ships after the war laughing And the Japanese, if I may say so, "destroyers" of the "Hyuga" type have a total displacement of about 18000 tons.
        1. VIKING
          +7
          9 March 2012 12: 42
          Quote: Gromila78
          Ren-TV says bluntly - the displacement of Arly Burke is 5000 tons and these are the largest ships after the war

          As for the displacement, they of course crawled, and crawled very much, but about largest ships, you probably did not carefully read this:
          Quote: VIKING
          if of course you take into account what was meant precisely destroyersas a class of ships.

          And about the Japanese "destroyer" Hyga, let them have a headache how to classify their ships. But the fact that this is not a destroyer can be seen even by non-initiated. For objectivity's sake, I must say that this is still a destroyerhelicopter carrier, by analogy with the Russian aircraft carrier cruiser "Kuzya" ... although what kind of cruiser is he?
          1. Gromila78
            +5
            9 March 2012 14: 00
            Viking, I tell you about Thomas - you tell me about Erema. I say that woodpeckers sit on Ren-TV in the "Military Review", you tell me - that Arlee Burke is a big ship, I had no doubt about it, and the Japanese can classify their miracle destroyers as they like, Arlie Burke is almost a missile cruiser ... (Project 956 destroyer, full displacement 7900, Project 1164 - 11400, Ticonderoga - 9800)
    3. Kibb
      +5
      9 March 2012 12: 16
      All this is from translation problems, people translate films, books on military subjects without understanding what they are talking about, I don’t want to switch to Latin alphabet like this: The ship is a ship of the line, it’s a sailing ship, and there will be no other and other ships
      1. Gromila78
        +2
        9 March 2012 12: 29
        I agree about the translation, but it means that when the program is being prepared, people will at least learn something about the object, and do not translate articles using Google and do not shorten the text to a complete loss of meaning. After all, any confidence in this program, which seems to have some kind of cognitive value, is lost among our youth, who are studying the army in these programs and games like WoT.
        1. Kibb
          +4
          9 March 2012 13: 31
          Yes, they don’t know nichrome, my wife knows three languages ​​perfectly, but she never undertakes to translate special literature
      2. gor
        gor
        -2
        9 March 2012 15: 03
        spike also applies to boat. craft is a ship or ship
        1. Kibb
          0
          9 March 2012 15: 27
          A thorn is a thorn if we talk about the navy. And this is Prusny Battleship in the modern sense, or in Russian Ship, EBC Vengard for example, or EBC Victoria, Battle Ship is another, hence the frequent misunderstanding of terms such as Battle Cruiser, etc.
        2. Kibb
          +2
          9 March 2012 15: 53
          Example: "The squadron consisted of two 66-gun battleships, 2 50-gun frigates, eight 40-gun frigates, one 18-gun frigate, more than 20 small sailing ships"
          So it’s clear to the modern reader, but it’s right:
          The squadron consisted of two 66-gun SHIPS, 2 50-gun frigates, eight 40-gun frigates, one 18-gun frigate, more than 20 small sailing SHIPS "
      3. 0
        26 May 2017 17: 54
        Discovery's "Translation Problems" ... I watched their film about drilling. Given that everything that was translated was accompanied by visual illustrations - I can say that the translation was accurate. Moreover, the meaning ... There are no decent words. I won’t write in detail, but it’s like seriously declaring that every green beret has a Captain America shield from the vibrium or whatever it is. After such "documentary" films, Discovery is perceived at the level of Ren-TV. At least with regard to technology (including military) and technology.
  6. flukked
    +12
    9 March 2012 11: 43
    One of the most successful ships in the history of the world Navy.
    1. 0
      26 May 2017 17: 57
      Will be. If you fix the catastrophic situation with radar. "British scientists decided to cross the mole with a rabbit. The hybrid sees almost nothing, but if it finds ..."
  7. +2
    9 March 2012 12: 41
    Stunning beauty photo number 3.

    Yeah, the destroyer is good, no words. But the series is more impressive - 60 ships in service.

    Okay, we’ll wait ... for an asymmetric answer.
    1. jamert
      +3
      9 March 2012 16: 03
      Okay, we’ll wait ... for an asymmetric answer.


      I think he will be underwater
      1. 0
        9 March 2012 19: 14
        No ... not to that extent ..
        It will be ekranoplan.
        I really want to.

        In general, since I myself am with the Navy, I see just a very tasty target. And someone will show the battle.
        1. slas
          0
          10 March 2012 01: 11
          Quote: Igarr
          Yeah, the destroyer is good, no words.

          look don't fall stunningly off the ramp winked the destroyer as a destroyer and we have beautiful ships
          1. +4
            10 March 2012 11: 43
            And Cho take offense ...
            the sailor cannot but admire the beautiful ship .. he is the enemy, if not.
            the sea - does not like ... amateurs ..
            not without reason the rules of salvation at sea - not a single madla has ever tried to challenge ... or what is there to contribute nationally.
            or the elements - or the ordinary human spirit, there is no other, either - or.
            and about our watchdogs, I spoke out when there was a publication about them.
            1. slas
              -1
              10 March 2012 13: 18
              Quote: Igarr
              And Cho take offense ...

              They carry water on the offended lol I personally don’t get upset and didn’t want to upset anyone (if so, I apologize) You can take offense at me or not. I personally support the domestic manufacturer a little worse or not - everyone’s business. and foreign, what a swell fellow And the rules of salvation at sea --- where does it? belay Sorry a little off topic Compare - our handsome!
              1. +2
                10 March 2012 13: 19
                I already answered ... in PM ..

                But ... still, there is a difference in the ships ...
                Here comes ours ... with a long tank ... and it’s not ours ... well, he’s clumsy, some ... in my opinion .. officer of the USSR Navy
                1. slas
                  0
                  10 March 2012 13: 34
                  just read - understood
            2. 0
              26 May 2017 18: 00
              Do not share a link to the article? Or at least what to enter in the search. Curious.
    2. slas
      0
      10 March 2012 00: 55
      Quote: Igarr
      Stunning beauty photo number 3.

      look don't fall stunning recourse the destroyer as a destroyer and we have beautiful ships
  8. +7
    9 March 2012 12: 52
    I was on Mahan when he came to us in Tallinn. A serious ship was taken inside, but they were not allowed to shoot an empty passage. but on the bridge, please, even if the device is in the frame (on the antediluvian Estonian "cruisers" on the bridge it was not allowed to shoot at all). it was only possible to aim, not push through. and about the firing range of the gun, the sailor did not lie - 20 miles. indicated 38 km and it turns out.
  9. damba
    +1
    9 March 2012 13: 31
    Gentlemen, gentlemen, do not worry when reading this article and many others, I came to the conclusion that this is a little but betrays its bold minus despite the many advantages in that its modularity brings it
    Arly is just stuffed with weapons and is intended rather so that without any problems driving up to the enemy’s coast on the part of naval combat, I’ll say right away that it’s Yakhont that will fail because of the low degree of armor protection so I’ll say right away that I’m not an expert but you can see with it an armed powder barrel and all
    Well, yes, he can sting well and if you sting him.
    Yes, and about SM-3 this weapon is written for the destruction of ICBMs and not cruise missiles, and he will also make BRRS with grief across the floors that we draw conclusions
    1. Kibb
      +2
      9 March 2012 14: 56
      Unfortunately, the question is that Yakhont should be able to release it first, then it should fly, then it should not be knocked down to crap, and there are a lot of ... but there are 60 of these creatures. And so, without problems, a certain amount of explosives can destroy any ship, and you do not need to prove it
      1. 0
        26 May 2017 18: 48
        What is the problem of releasing Yakhont in the presence of an order and target designation, I did not understand. Problems so that it will fly if the Yakhonts start up one at a time. Such nonsense I hope will not be allowed.
    2. +5
      9 March 2012 15: 01
      The US Navy is a complex of assets, where the Ali Burke Aegis destroyers are just one component.
      Duties of the destroyer - air defense, missile defense, anti-aircraft defense, special operations in the zone of military conflicts, coastal attacks

      And for naval combat there is a much more powerful and reliable tool - carrier-based aircraft.
      1. slas
        0
        10 March 2012 01: 15
        In the United States, the main assignments of destroyers are the protection of aircraft carrier groups, the support of ground forces and landing forces, as well as the protection of convoys
      2. +1
        10 March 2012 13: 01
        Phew ... read at least what you write ... sixteen years old ..
        ".. And for naval combat there is a much more powerful and reliable means - carrier-based aircraft ..."

        What are the features of naval combat ... for carrier-based aviation.
        Aviation - I understand - is conducting an air battle ... with ships ... and does not go along the seas, on the waves ...

        Porridge in your head, I'm sorry if you are for 30.
        if before ... - go study ..
    3. +1
      9 March 2012 15: 29
      about "stuffed with weapons" this is for our new corvettes and frigates.
  10. +2
    9 March 2012 13: 41
    if interested, then the photo (albeit not so hot) with Mahan can be found here -http: //photo.qip.ru/users/hp415.photofile/4048365/
  11. Jupiter
    +2
    9 March 2012 13: 57
    Great ship!
    And so it does, firstly, the Aegis system, and secondly, the universal launcher Mk 41.

    It would be nice for our shipbuilders to take this into account, especially UVP.
    We seem to have air-craft, but so far separately for strike missiles and separately for anti-aircraft.
    More precisely, even normal UVP is available only for anti-ship missiles, and for missiles outdated drum sets.
    And I did not hear anything about works on the unification of anti-ship missiles and missile launchers for launch from a single UVP ...; (
    1. 0
      9 March 2012 15: 37
      No, not Aegis, its main feature, especially since many have claims to the radar just because of its versatility. And so the ships are wonderful. Particularly impressive is their series.

      why bother with a bunch. POSHNOY and POSHNOY
      I really like the idea and implementation on our frigates.
      With 9M96E2 and 9M100 missiles, which, in the presence of a long arm, provide full cover for the order.
    2. +1
      10 March 2012 12: 38
      Got this Aegis .... got it.

      In the 80-90 years of the last century, the United States wrote boiling water ... ah, SDI, ah, the defense initiative ...
      Zilch ... covered with a copper basin. And ate the dough - give me the way.

      Aegis - from the same time ... only brought to reality.
      Only since then radio equipment has not stood still ...
      and universality in itself is flawed.
      Enough..and this.
    3. slas
      0
      10 March 2012 15: 57
      JupiterGreat ship!
      And so it does, firstly, the Aegis system, and secondly, the universal launcher Mk 41.
      I don’t understand --- so the ship is beautiful or the weapon is fun
  12. +1
    9 March 2012 19: 05
    The ship is good, but to build the Aegis BIUS into a fetish ??? Well, maybe she can accompany many targets, etc. But make a scarecrow out of this ??? And then the American show-off on the theme of the late 80s, when a poster was unfurled on the deck of the destroyer: "Fear, we now have Aegis!" BIUS can evaluate everything and issue target designation, but missiles and guns are firing. And they hit the enemies. And here everyone is running around "Aegis - Aegis" ... The number of missiles is a good thing, but the quality of these missiles is also important. And what is better "Harpoon" or "Yakhont" - the question ... As correctly noted, the underdeck placement of missile launchers makes it possible to place a lot of them, but if they hit .... You can recall the miserable fate of the US corvette, which during the Iran-Iraq war was mistakenly attacked (by a couple of "Exosets" only!) from an Iraqi plane. SOS could only be supplied from a boat radio ... and then they were lucky that one of the missiles did not explode, but with its mass smashed the central electricity distribution board - and that's it! firewood...
  13. Kibb
    +2
    9 March 2012 21: 58
    Quote: nnz226
    "Fear we now have Aegis

    Who's scared?
    Quote: nnz226
    but rockets and guns fire.
    And also management systems and people who manage these systems
    Quote: nnz226
    The ship is good
    This fact is simply stated, and it’s not brighter, it’s good, really good, but no one said that it’s invincible or unsinkable, just with a “hat” we can get another June 22
    1. Kibb
      +1
      9 March 2012 22: 24
      I don’t understand what the minus is for; if you want, be afraid, I don’t.
  14. 0
    10 March 2012 23: 18
    Of course I’m sorry, but firstly with a mass of 30 kg. initial speed 1000 m. sec. Well, no way 30 km. it doesn’t work ..... Large-caliber machine guns ... for defense against boats ... Finally ... Missiles or tomahawks or anti-aircraft ... And if there is a war ... A boomed scandal for war with ... well, it will go with Libya. .. To protect the aircraft carrier groups from boats, too, probably ... A friend in the 70x served ... so they are subsonic missiles from anti-aircraft 30 mm. they shot down the guns ... It's about the tomahawks ... And from our anti-ship rockets they have nothing to shoot down .... And about the unheated .. he has no water-proof partitions ... If the hole he’ll definitely drown ...
    1. Jaguar
      0
      10 March 2012 23: 47
      Quote: ward
      A friend in the 70s served ... so they are subsonic rockets of 30 mm anti-aircraft. shot down guns ... I'm talking about tamahawks ...
      It’s one thing to shoot down one subsonic missile (and sometimes it’s not possible), and another thing is a couple of dozen of such missiles
  15. -1
    11 March 2012 15: 49
    So two were allowed, two were shot down ...
    Main characteristics
    Caliber, mm - 30
    · Rate of fire, rds / min. - up to 5000
    · Initial projectile speed, m / s - up to 900
    Ammunition, cartridges - 300
    · Survivability of trunks, shots - 6000
    · Mass of installation, t - 9
    · Angles of vertical guidance, deg. - from -12 to + 88
    · Angles of horizontal guidance, degrees. - 180 from the axis of the ship
    · Speed ​​of vertical / horizontal guidance, city / sec. - 50 / 70
    · Firing range on surface targets, m - 5000
    · Firing range inclined by air targets, m - 4000
    Speed ​​Tamahawk 880 km. hour. or 250 msec .... in the zone of fire there are 16 seconds ... What else do you need ... Shalanda will approach the shore will shoot the savages ....
    And about the gun, you think what is the most important indicator when shooting ... This is accuracy, but they do not indicate accuracy anywhere .... Not really ... And this is about an ellipse 250 * 120 meters ... Dig a trench and sleep peacefully ....
  16. Sergeev
    +1
    15 March 2012 10: 59
    Impressive
  17. Vitalievich
    0
    30 August 2012 16: 55
    Very interesting video. Is a positive attitude .., and to the captain and to the whole team .. it’s a pity that we are enemies .. and greedy and deceitful politicians push us together with their foreheads ..
    1. 0
      26 May 2017 19: 43
      What? You still say that such destroyers are weapons of defense. They are suitable for defense as well as hand grenades for home security. A drop of imagination - and you will understand what I mean. Have you seen many security workers with grenades? This ship is completely unsuitable to guard their native shores. It is imprisoned for two purposes: 1) to approach the coast of the country with wild tyranny and democratize it to the state of the Stone Age so that everyone knows which system is better; 2) so that nothing comes back from a country with wild tyranny to the country of Good and Light. Have you ever thought of making friends with a psycho-cannibal? He can be very positive in communication, work. Just like the captain and crew of this pretty boat. But - the cannibal will get tired of talking with you and will want to eat, and the captain and team will receive an order. And that’s it. Thinking about people well is often unhealthy. Alas.