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Israeli military will get drones capable of fighting in the city

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The Israeli Defense Ministry has ordered a batch of TIKAD compact drone-kopterov drones from the US-Israeli company for fighting in the city, according to News.



“TIKAD is an eight-propeller copter capable of carrying a variety of infantry weapons, from an assault rifle to an 40-mm grenade launcher. The main difference of this UAV from commercial models is the availability of a special platform, which allows you to extinguish recoil when fired and to conduct aimed fire at the enemy, ”the newspaper writes.

According to the developers, the drones "are intended primarily for the search and destruction of militants in urban areas with dense buildings and a large number of civilians." The main objectives for him are "snipers, calculations of mortars, grenade throwers, entrenched on the roofs of buildings."

It is reported that TIKAD can be transferred by the calculation of two people or transported on an army SUV. Kopter has no artificial intelligence which could carry out a role of the autopilot therefore the operator not only fires, but also operates flight. This circumstance, as experts note, greatly reduces the cost of the system.

The first customers of the drone were the military, but they can be useful and special forces police.

According to the expert in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles, the editor of the UAV.ru industry magazine Denis Fedutinov, the availability of weapons of destruction directly aboard the UAV is very significant.

Drones used to detect an enemy, and then the unit commander requested artillery fire support either aviation. This is expensive and often leads to the destruction of buildings and the death of innocent people. The presence on the drone of weapons allows us to solve the problem as quickly and as little as possible,
said the expert.

He added that “above the task of equipping the UAV weapons Currently, developers are working not only in the United States and Israel, but also in Russia and Belarus. ”
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 July 2017 11: 20
    +2
    Israeli military get drones capable of fighting in the city

    Probably "get drones capable of fighting ..." Already the title of the article could be edited?
    1. Maz
      Maz 10 July 2017 11: 55
      +2
      It seems that Israel wants to arm everyone and everything, provided that they will not fight with Isto. What ideology is inside and attitude to the rest ... from the outside
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 10 July 2017 14: 45
        0
        Quote: Maz
        It seems that Israel wants to arm everyone and everything, provided that they will not fight with Isto. What ideology is inside and attitude to the rest ... from the outside


        Rather, the feeling that they are ready to shoot themselves in the foot if only someone would pay attention to them.
        1. other
          other 11 July 2017 12: 57
          +3
          I'm interested here! when Russia sells weapons and they write a lot about it, then this is normal for you! as soon as Israel did something built and sells, then you begin to write here! Do you have envy or anger ?!
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 10 July 2017 21: 18
        +1
        A normal Jew will come up with what kind of gadget you want, if only he himself would not go to the front lines.
    2. Delink
      Delink 10 July 2017 13: 00
      0
      Good afternoon! I agree completely, but it is not readable at all.
  2. Partyzan
    Partyzan 10 July 2017 11: 22
    +6
    drones "are intended primarily for the search and destruction of militants in urban neighborhoods with dense buildings and a large number of civilians"
    and where is the Israeli military going to use them? not in Syria? recourse
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 July 2017 20: 09
      0
      Yes, even if there, since there are bearded bastards there. They must be extinguished everywhere and by any means.
  3. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 10 July 2017 11: 33
    +4
    It’s interesting that this thing is armored? After all, for anyone to aim, the drone should freeze for a while.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 July 2017 11: 38
      +2
      Good question ... Perhaps the Israeli military is counting on an international ban on shooting drones 8)))))))))
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 10 July 2017 15: 33
        +6
        And you first notice it in a dense urban area, and even at night. And then get in when there is a risk of getting a bullet in return. In the end, with equal chances of victory, the cost of the drone is much less than human life.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 July 2017 16: 44
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai K
          And you first notice it in a dense urban area, and even at night.

          In a dense city, and even at night? Let them fly ... Only now he will have nothing to do there at night. Yes, and it’s dangerous to fly.
          Quote: Nikolai K
          In the end, with equal chances to win

          Equal? Why do you think so?
          You are in the middle of the square with PPSh, I'm in the depths of one of the rooms of one of the buildings around this square with a sniper rifle. Do you think we have equal chances?
          1. Black5Raven
            Black5Raven 11 July 2017 14: 57
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Yes, and it’s dangerous to fly.

            Better a dozen drones be shot down than a soldier shot.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 11 July 2017 16: 51
              0
              Isn't it better to do something more necessary for the same money?
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 12 July 2017 20: 10
                0
                Everything that helps to fight without substituting people is necessary.
    2. Alexey g
      Alexey g 10 July 2017 13: 09
      +2
      Well, the man is also not armored, what's next?
  4. A1845
    A1845 10 July 2017 11: 36
    +7
    what you need for urban battles
    so as not to waste people and equipment, as in Grozny ..
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 10 July 2017 11: 43
      +3
      A drone in the city itself is a good target (for both small arms and electronic warfare). Will there be any sense in it if you consider that everyone sees the drone in the urban area and the drone still needs to try to find the one you need. It seems that here the efficiency from solving the problem is clearly not in favor of the drone.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 July 2017 11: 46
      +2
      This is not "what you need."
      Imagine the usual group - sniper, machine gunner, grenade launcher. A sniper fires from the depths of the premises on one of the floors of a high-rise building. How can such a drone solve this problem? Hangs, takes aim, falls after "lead poisoning"?
  5. anjey
    anjey 10 July 2017 11: 38
    +4
    will Israel take cities? take Zurich there Izy banks!
  6. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 10 July 2017 11: 55
    +4
    The creator of Duke Airborne Systems Ltd. is Raziel “Razi” Atuar, a veteran of Israeli special forces (1998-2004) and a special agent MOSSAD (2005-2013) with two army colleagues, specialists in “robotics” (robotics in terms of)
    1. anjey
      anjey 10 July 2017 12: 05
      +4
      golimit militarism, make better a shovel with a motor for the good of the world
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 July 2017 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: Oleg7700
      Founder of Duke Airborne Systems Ltd. - Raziel “Razi” Atuar, Israeli special forces veteran (1998-2004) and MOSSAD special agent

      You, as we have, of these special forces are like dogs, uncut (perhaps it was from you that we caught this infection)
      Therefore, in your heroic past, you and our “special forces veteran Vasya Pupkin” could equally well conduct reconnaissance behind enemy lines and beat up rioting convicts.
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 10 July 2017 12: 56
      +1
      My first two photos are not displayed. recourse
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 10 July 2017 12: 25
    +6
    Judging by the brief TTX device carries 4,5 kg payload.

    This is a suspension with an automatic weapon, a telescopic sight and a recoil compensator.


    The video is just to illustrate how to shoot with a light drone.


    Video five years ago. Prototype quadrocopter carrying weapons. Possibilities of application. Over the next five years, as everyone understands, there are significant advances in this area.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 10 July 2017 12: 32
      +1
      Well, yes, shooting unarmed targets at point blank range is "very cool."
    2. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 10 July 2017 13: 30
      +5
      Even have already noted a premium of 100 thousand dollars.
      "In June 2016, the Robotic System was awarded the top award at the Counter Terrorism Conference hosted by the US Department of Defense Technical Support (CTTSO), Israel Defense Department, Defense Research and Development Authority (DDR & D / MAFAAT), and Forum MIT enterprises in Israel ".
  8. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 10 July 2017 12: 27
    0
    so really soon?
  9. Operator
    Operator 10 July 2017 13: 56
    +3
    Another pilsen of the Israeli (read American) budget.

    In a city setting, helicopter drones should be as miniature as possible - strong winds in urban development are not observed, and the firing distance from hand-held weapons is such that the eight-screw drone described in the article will be shot down a few seconds after departure.

    The only rational function for a mini drone is reconnaissance and external target designation for guided weapons of the ground-ground and air-to-ground classes.

    On the other hand, as it was rightly said by the VO members from Israel, this giant drone is intended not for military operations, but for anti-terrorist operations, which fundamentally changes things.

    PS Military campaign in Israel turned into gendarmes laughing
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 10 July 2017 14: 41
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      PS Military campaign in Israel turned into gendarmes

      Yes, this drone was clearly designed not for military operations, but for the "shooting" of peaceful Palestinians in Gaza and Palestinian cities temporarily occupied by the Israeli regime.
      1. kpotr
        kpotr 10 July 2017 15: 07
        +6
        Palestinian civilians in Gaza laughing
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 10 July 2017 15: 09
          0
          Quote: kpotr
          peaceful Palestinians in Gaza laughing

          And what's so funny?
          Or are you a Jew from Israel?
          1. kpotr
            kpotr 10 July 2017 15: 50
            +9
            1) peaceful Arab
            2) peaceful Arab from Gaza
            This causes a certain dissonance))
            3) "Jew from Israel"
            And it strengthens him. Why a Jew? Why do you think a Jew from Israel, I can’t be a Jew from another country or what? Or not a Jew from Israel? To summarize, are you a racist?
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 10 July 2017 16: 00
              +1
              Quote: kpotr
              Why a Jew? Why do you think a Jew from Israel, I can’t be a Jew from another country or what? Or not a Jew from Israel?

              Logically, in other countries there are Jews and their "admirers" lol
              But judging by your expression about the Palestinians, you are from there.
              Quote: kpotr
              To summarize, are you a racist?

              What are you asking with some kind of sub-secret?
              Are you from Mossad? lol
              1. kpotr
                kpotr 10 July 2017 16: 09
                +3
                Quote: quilted jacket

                Quote: kpotr
                To summarize, are you a racist?

                What are you asking with some kind of sub-secret?
                Are you from Mossad? lol

                Simply, you use the word "Jew" as an abusive word. And about racist it was rhetorical.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 10 July 2017 16: 16
                  0
                  Quote: kpotr
                  Simply, you use the word "Jew" as an abusive word.

                  Does it just seem so to you, or I'm writing with the wrong tone lol
                  Quote: kpotr
                  And about racist it was rhetorical.

                  Yes? But this is very similar to a provocation laughing
                  1. kpotr
                    kpotr 10 July 2017 16: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Quote: Operator
                    PS Military campaign in Israel turned into gendarmes

                    Yes, this drone was clearly designed not for military operations, but for the "shooting" of peaceful Palestinians in Gaza and Palestinian cities temporarily occupied by the Israeli regime.

                    Not much like this post
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 10 July 2017 17: 18
                      0
                      Quote: kpotr
                      Not much like this post

                      So I was not mistaken, you are a Jew lol
                      1. kpotr
                        kpotr 10 July 2017 17: 28
                        +3
                        I always had a couple of questions:
                        1) Why a Jew?
                        2) Why is there any mention of my nationality in this thread?
                        3) Are you a racist?
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 12 July 2017 20: 21
        0
        Quote: quilted jacket
        to “shoot” peaceful Palestinians in Gaza and Palestinian cities temporarily occupied by the Israeli regime.

        As well as for the shooting of the ayatollahs that temporarily occupied Iran.
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 10 July 2017 16: 09
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      Another pilsen of the Israeli (read American) budget.
      In a city setting, helicopter drones should be as miniature as possible - strong winds in urban development are not observed, and the firing distance from hand-held weapons is such that the eight-screw drone described in the article will be shot down a few seconds after departure.
      The only rational function for a mini drone is reconnaissance and external target designation for guided weapons of the ground-ground and air-to-ground classes.
      On the other hand, as it was rightly said by the VO members from Israel, this giant drone is intended not for military operations, but for anti-terrorist operations, which fundamentally changes things.
      PS Military campaign in Israel turned into gendarmes laughing

      I would not artificially narrow down the specialization and possibilities of using drones in urban environments.
      They are virtually silent. Precision motors can achieve noise levels around 40 dB. At a distance of several meters drone is no longer audible at all. They fly perfectly at night, respectively, they are not so easy to shoot down, etc.
      This model has already been used for more than six years. The noise level is 35 dB. In hang mode 20 dB. flight time 40 min. Originally used as a scout. Recent modifications are already indexing IM - Impact of Mini-drone (mini drone shock) ...


      The military in Israel does not need to retrain.
      MagAv - Israeli militarized unit.
      This unit is organized according to the “gendarmerie” system, that is, Magawa officers have police powers, but in the case of the use of force they act as a military organization. The personnel is formed from contract policemen and draftees. The military service in the troops Magawa is 3 of the year and is equivalent to the service in the Israel Defense Forces.
      1. Operator
        Operator 10 July 2017 16: 22
        +2
        Ten to one that I will shoot your eight-screw drone with the very first shot from the SVD at a distance of 100-300 meters (the characteristic shooting distance in urban areas), and in the dark with the use of a simple NVD. The noise level of the 35 decibel in combat conditions is almost silent, but the detailed apparatus in the dimensions of the indicated drone against the sky is like an eyesore.

        You do not understand - since the drone is intended for anti-terrorist operations and is simultaneously being pushed into the arsenal of IDFs, the latter is the gendarmerie, and not just the MAGAV border police. Judging by the nature of recent conflicts with Palestinians and Lebanese, the Israeli army the farther away, the more it ceases to be an army and slides into the position of a punitive detachment.
        1. Cataphract
          Cataphract 10 July 2017 16: 47
          +2
          is the drone able to conduct targeted fire at a distance of more than a kilometer, and why should it hang "against the sky"? And if it hangs against the roof of a high-rise building? This is even if you do not take into account that with the first shot you will give out your location, and after a few seconds your house will turn out to be a card house due to an air force strike ... nobody will cancel them.
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 10 July 2017 16: 48
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          Ten to one that I will shoot your eight-screw drone with the very first shot from the SVD at a distance of 100-300 meters (the characteristic shooting distance in urban areas), and in the dark with the use of a simple NVD. The noise level of the 35 decibel in combat conditions is almost silent, but the detailed apparatus in the dimensions of the indicated drone against the sky is like an eyesore.

          If you put at a distance 100 - 300 m, on a contrasting background, then why not get there ?. However, an unexpectedly appearing maneuverable target, even trying to shoot down a sniper rifle is not worth it.
          1. Operator
            Operator 10 July 2017 18: 13
            0
            This article is about an impact drone. For him to fulfill his functions in urban development, he will need to go down to the level of the windows of houses, in the depths of the rooms of which are located the firing points of machine gunners, snipers and grenade launchers. Moreover, before hitting a firing point, the drone will have to fly for a certain time at this altitude in the target detection mode.

            At this time, the shock drone can be shot down "from a slingshot" (figuratively speaking).

            Once again - in reconnaissance combat in an urban environment only reconnaissance mini-drones survive, in which it is difficult to get from 100 meters.

            It’s another matter to track in the urban development hidden terrorists who will not open fire until the last moment, but what does the task of the army units have to do with it?
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 10 July 2017 19: 28
              +4
              Operator, you imagine the work of a combat drone in the image of household toys. Intelligence drone works almost like any home. However, shock drones do not work at all. The simplest option: the drone is controlled by a joystick, two displays - one displays a picture from the drone's camera / cameras, and the second - a touch screen. It shows the style of the drone where to fly and what to do. For example, fly up to such a window and strike (shooting, shock or smoke grenade, etc.) where to fly. After the command "Execute", the drone with the speed of 35-40km / h performs the task - flew, hit, flew. It takes seconds. After that, it is again joystick driven. Such standard actions and "closed" commands in presets and can be easily invoked by the operator. The operator, of course, can intervene at any stage.
              1. Operator
                Operator 10 July 2017 20: 04
                0
                You are wrong:
                - firstly, in order to know in advance where to fly an impact drone, you need to have another reconnaissance drone, and if you have already scouted a target, then it is easier to destroy it remotely with the help of ground-to-ground munitions;
                - secondly, if a ground target (firing point) is visible in the picture transmitted directly from the aircraft's impact drone, then the target will also see a drone, and the latter will be a contrasting air target against the sky.

                Therefore, the drone will be shot down before it is transferred to the target strike mode in urban areas.

                By the way, at a distance of 100 meters, a drone moving at a speed of 10 meters per second is guaranteed to be lost by concentrated fire from several machine gun and machine gun barrels.

                On the Internet there are several videos of the defeat of much smaller drones (compared with the eight-screw) of shotguns.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 10 July 2017 22: 46
                  +3
                  It is not simpler and very expensive.
                  So it was done in the summer of 2014



                  Now, to eliminate a pair of thugs, do not throw out tens of thousands of greens. TIKAD with skillful use may well cope with this task.

                  Theoretically, you can knock anything. In 1964, I personally witnessed how, under Evpatoria, the AN-2 plane, sprinkling some kind of filthy forest belt, was hit by an empty vodka bottle. However, this does not mean that the bottle is a means of defense.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 10 July 2017 23: 24
                    0
                    On your commercials, targets are not located in urban areas and, most importantly, they were clearly previously explored before the strike.

                    The mortar with a guided mine, which is an order of magnitude cheaper than the use of an impact drone, can quite cope with the task of destroying depicted in videos and previously explored targets.

                    PS It is theoretically possible to bring down An-2 with a bottle, but with the probability of 1: 1000. But to shoot down a large-sized drone with concentrated automatic fire from the infantry squad is practically possible with the probability of 1000: 1.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 11 July 2017 00: 06
                      +3
                      Where shooting at the windows, it is quite a city building-up. And this is the answer to the shooting of these apartments.

                      The infantry squad must expect the drone to approach in order to meet it with concentrated automatic fire. In the course of the battle, the squad will have other tasks. This type of drone is unlikely to be used against infantry units.
                      The discussion turned into circling. Sorry for the time. We'd better wait a bit and I'll try to show you the footage of the destruction of terrorists with such a device.

                      In the meantime, here's how to eliminate them with rockets from large drone drone:
                      Osama al-Hasumi and Mohammad al-Pasiah. Both were field commanders of the terrorist group "Committees of the National Resistance". Strip. 27 June 2014 of the year. Outdoor camcorders.


                      Three terrorists belonging to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Mahmoud Vallad, Hazm Balush and Allaa Abd al-Nabi drove in a car across Gaza and were destroyed by a rocket fired from a drone drone. 10 July 2014 of the year. Shooting Air Force IDF.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 11 July 2017 00: 14
                        0
                        Your videos show not multi-storey buildings in urban areas (the goal is a specific room), but detached single-storey buildings (the goal is the whole house).

                        After detecting the drone and giving the appropriate command, the infantry squad will focus for several tens of seconds on destroying the target in the form of a drone (otherwise the drone will focus on destroying the squad).

                        PS No need to show videos with shots of anti-terrorist operations to destroy freestanding / moving cars and single-story buildings as evidence of the applicability of shock drones in an army operation, and even in a dense urban area from multi-storey apartment buildings bully
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 12 July 2017 20: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  Easier to destroy remotely using guided ammunition "ground-to-ground";

                  And then people like you will yell about the "disproportionate actions of the Israeli aggressors," because Hamas, like other barmels, likes to organize firing points in the attics of kindergartens and clinics. A drone, unlike a missile, precisely eliminates barmaleya without causing much collateral damage, and a shot from a grenade launcher or a burst from a machine mounted on a drone will cost less.
        3. Cataphract
          Cataphract 10 July 2017 16: 53
          +6
          Quote: Operator
          Judging by the nature of the recent conflicts with the Palestinians and Lebanese, the Israeli army the farther away, the more it ceases to be an army and slides into the position of a punitive detachment.

          judging by how skillfully the militants of Hizbullah and Hamas are hiding behind civilians like a human shield in your place, I would shut up about the "punitive squads." The Arab armies do not pay any attention to anyone what Syria and Yemen show by destroying everything and everyone with carpet bombings ...
          1. Operator
            Operator 10 July 2017 18: 15
            0
            I especially liked about the threats from Yemen by carpet bombing laughing

            What do you smoke?
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              1. Operator
                Operator 10 July 2017 20: 09
                0
                Fool, carpet bombing and single bombing of Syrian / Saudi aircraft are completely different things (see carpet bombing of American aviation in Vietnam).
  10. Cord127
    Cord127 10 July 2017 15: 33
    +6
    Hmm, the warriors are couches. Have any of you, in your ordinary sight, seen a target in human height of 500 - 600m? Now hit the airborne maneuvering target at an altitude of 500 - 1000m.
  11. Doliva63
    Doliva63 10 July 2017 15: 57
    +9
    "Previously, drones detected the enemy, and then the unit commander requested fire support of artillery or aircraft."

    In the 82nd, Israel used UAVs armed with missiles, I remember.
    1. kpotr
      kpotr 10 July 2017 17: 33
      0
      Only drones IAI Scout, Mastiff - do not carry weapons and Shriki - anti-radar missiles
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  13. padded jacket
    padded jacket 10 July 2017 17: 30
    +1
    Quote: kpotr
    I always had a couple of questions:
    1) Why a Jew?
    2) Why is there any mention of my nationality in this thread?
    3) Are you a racist?

    Again, continuous provocations you still from the Mossad admit kpotr laughing
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    2. kpotr
      kpotr 10 July 2017 17: 55
      +3
      What are the provocations here? Or do you call provocation my questions about why, as you write, my nationality is Jewish or why do you need my nationality at all? And yes, why exactly from Mossad? Vatnik, you yourself do not mimic the case of a Jew, otherwise I asked so many questions and not a single answer, and you, in fact, support the conversation so deftly.
  14. anjey
    anjey 10 July 2017 19: 09
    +2
    Quote: Cataphract
    is the drone able to conduct targeted fire at a distance of more than a kilometer, and why should it hang "against the sky"? And if it hangs against the roof of a high-rise building? This is even if you do not take into account that with the first shot you will give out your location, and after a few seconds your house will turn out to be a card house due to an air force strike ... nobody will cancel them.

    it’s worse than Herbert Wells, what kind of perverted minds you need to have in order to fold in seconds at home and invent such trinkets ....
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 10 July 2017 19: 11
    +1
    To teach the UAV so that it could fly into the window and carry a payload in the region of 500 gr in TNT equivalent, the use distance is up to 5 km That is, make the machine disposable which will make the machine cheap enough to manufacture
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 10 July 2017 21: 11
      +1
      Such devices exist long ago and are used.

      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 July 2017 21: 31
        +2
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Such devices have long existed and are used.

        I kind of know

        Switchblade ammunition

        Battlehawk from Textron Systems

        Terminator of Lockheed Martin

        Hiro-30 from Israeli UVision
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 10 July 2017 22: 34
          +2
          Well, that's nice! good drinks
          By the way, for some reason my first three photos are not displayed.
          1. Operator
            Operator 12 July 2017 23: 39
            0
            Here's a drone for urban development (the latest development from the Michigan Institute of Technology)

            Israeli crafts before him as before the moon.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 13 July 2017 10: 32
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              Here's a drone for urban development (the latest development from the Michigan Institute of Technology)

              Israeli crafts before him as before the moon.

              I will not argue with you. Time is a pity. However, what you give out here for the "drone for urban development" is nothing more than an illustration of the article. Images of such toys is full on the net.
              For example, here: https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/mini-dro
              ne-368819213?src=eEifqvpfosqCwlDB1G8ViQ-1-36

              I will not defame the achievements of the Michigan Institute of Technology, just tell you an old joke.
              I quote from memory, but "Sapienti sat", as they say.
              - Abram Aronovich! Taki smear smear - strife! This I tell you, as a urologist artist say.
              1. Operator
                Operator 13 July 2017 10: 43
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                Why would I, a Russian, argue with a representative of a microscopic country eking out alms from overseas? laughing

                We have a different countdown - from the technological level of the United States.
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  17. Love is
    Love is 11 July 2017 23: 30
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    The brain of the 60-year-old general of the Republic of Armenia is not able to find application for such devices. This means that the company commander will not receive it. It's a pity of course. But to me, as a company commander, such a thing in Grozny would be useful. one hundred%.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 July 2017 21: 03
      0
      If you had such things then, now Kadyrov would have grazed sheep, if only he had survived.