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Iran's military-industrial potential

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Soon, six years, as in Syria, there is a civil war - a multilateral armed conflict with foreign intervention.

Officially, in this war, the Assad government, supported by Iran and Russia, is confronted by a rather heterogeneous opposition of a moderate nature, whose interests are defended by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United States. However, there is a third party to the conflict, the most dangerous one is the extremist Islamic State, or ISIL (the organization is banned in Russia and other countries). They fight against all.

As often happens when the interests of several powers collide, the conflict has been protracted, with very large casualties. For the time being it is impossible to talk about more or less clear prospects for solving the Syrian problem.

Government troops of Bashar al-Assad are now greatly weakened during the more than four years of civil war. The mobilization (and especially human) resources of Damascus are close to exhaustion. Given this, an important task now is to attract the regular armed forces of Iran and Iraq to crush the IS and other terrorist groups. Last news and statements by politicians allow experts to say that it is possible to form a military-political bloc with the participation of Iran, Iraq and Russia in the war against the banned Islamic State group. China and Turkey are already attributed to the formed military bloc.

How realistic is the emergence of a military alliance between Moscow, Tehran, Baghdad and Ankara is a topic for a separate analysis, but the military potential, or rather its component - the military industry of the parties to the conflict, is of undoubted interest. And if the military industry of Russia, the United States, China is constantly in the center of attention and there is a lot of information about it, then the military industry of regional players does not enjoy such attention.

Undoubtedly, Iran is the most serious contender for regional leadership. In modern conditions, the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI), being a powerful regional power, in carrying out its policy is based on its own ideas about the features of wars and the principles of using its armed forces, the directions of military construction, the choice of potential adversaries, allies, etc.

The foundations of the military-political views of the military-political leadership (CDF) were laid by Ayatollah Khomeini and his colleagues before the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 year. Immediately after the seizure of power by the Shiite clerics based on the “Khomeini’s teachings” was formulated and then adopted by the parliament, the “Doctrine of national security of the Islamic Republic of Iran”.

Certain adjustments to military doctrinal views were made by the leadership of Iran in August 1988. These changes reflected the processes occurring in the country and around it in connection with the cessation of hostilities on the fronts of the Iran-Iraq war, and the Iranian authorities, under pressure from the objective factors, of certain military-political concepts. In the future, in the course of the development of military affairs, military doctrinal views are supplemented with certain provisions, based on the current military-political situation and an assessment of the prospects for its development.

Within the framework of the teachings of Khomeini, on the basis of its fundamental concepts, Iran’s national (state) interests are formulated, which are the guiding principle in determining the priorities and main objectives of its policy.

In accordance with national interests, the main goal of the Iranian leadership’s policy is to create, under the auspices of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the so-called world Islamic community, the Ummah. This provision, the essence of which is officially enshrined in Art. 11 national constitution is long-lasting.



The possibility of achieving this goal depends largely on the capabilities of the national military industry.

As a paramount direction in the development of the national military industry for the foreseeable future, the military-political leadership (CDF) of the country has determined the formation of a scientific and production infrastructure that has the capacity to serially produce modern weapons and military equipment based on its own developments using foreign technologies.

The construction of the research and production base of the military industry is carried out in accordance with the revised annual plans within the framework of the state program "Iran-1400", calculated for the period from 1997 to 2021 year. The issues of equipping national armed forces with modern models of weapons and military equipment are under the constant control of the state and are solved with its direct participation.

The centralized management of military industry enterprises is carried out by the Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics (MODAFL) by distributing government orders for the development and production of weapons and military equipment.

In the framework of the IESP, all military enterprises are consolidated into the following industry organizations:
- Organization of the rocket and space industry - the Aerospace Industry Organization (AIO);
- Organization aviation industry - OAP (Aviation Industry Organization - AIO);
- Organization of the defense industry - OOP (Defense Industry Organization - DIO);
- Organization of the shipbuilding industry - OSB (Marine Industry Organization - MIO);
- Radio Electronics Industry Organization - PIU (Iran Electronics Industries - IEI).

In turn, industry organizations unite individual companies, enterprises or industrial groups (GHGs), which include repair enterprises and research organizations (NIO) along with production ones. On the basis of the latter, in the interests of a particular type of aircraft, research and development activities are being carried out to create new models, modernize existing weapons and master the technology of repairing foreign equipment.

Iran's military-industrial potential


Iran’s rocket and space industry is a leading military industry with significant human and financial resources. Its development is identified as one of the priorities of the CDF in the field of ensuring the country's defense.



The structure of this industry includes a number of enterprises and NIOs, which have launched the production of medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBD), operational-tactical (OTP), tactical missiles, anti-aircraft systems, anti-personnel missiles, anti-tank missiles and anti-nuclear missiles. Its products, as a rule, are copies of Chinese, North Korean or Soviet designs.

At present, all enterprises performing work on rocket topics are united in the Organization of the Rocket and Space Industry of Iran - RPPU. OPU directs and coordinates research organizations and production centers in the development, production and technical support of rocket weapons and space technology. Among the most significant enterprises of the industry should include the industrial group (PG) "Shahid Hemmat" and "Shahid Bagheri".

IG Shahid Hemmat (Shahid Hemmat Industries Group - SHIG) conducts R & D and has started mass production of various types of MRSM and OTP with liquid rocket engines (LRE). The range of its products includes: Shekhab-3 BRSD (Shahab-3) and Shehab-3M / Gadr-1 / -2 (Ghadr-l / -2); OTP "Shehab-1" (Shahab-1), "Shehab-2" (Shahab-2) and "Kiam-1" (Qiam-1).



As an alternative to rocket engine missiles, Iran is actively developing a program to build rockets with solid-propellant rocket engines (TTRD) using mainly Chinese and Russian technologies. The leading in this area is the Shahid Bagheri diversified manufacturing enterprise (Shahid Bagheri Industries Group - SBIG). The production of BRSD and OTP has been launched at its facilities, both under license and in-house development, as well as with the participation of foreign specialists, solid rocket motors are manufactured. The company's main products are Sejil (Sejil), Fateh (Fateh), Nateat (Nazeat) and Zelzal (Opel) type OTP, Khalij-Fars anti-ship ballistic missiles (Khalij-e Fars) and others





The use of a solid-fuel engine instead of a liquid engine indicates significant progress in the field of rocket technology, which allows Iran to significantly increase the armed forces ’readiness by reducing the time required to prepare a rocket for launch, as well as improve the performance of the missile, such as safety and ease of maintenance.

Despite financial difficulties and technological lag in the rocket and space industry, Iran’s WFD managed to create a sufficiently developed scientific infrastructure. In addition to the research organizations that are directly part of industrial groups, the URWU has a large number of independent research and development centers, where new types of missile weapons are being developed.

Two test sites located in the cities of Qom and Semnan are used to conduct test launches of BR and other types of missiles, as well as for firing artillery systems.

In general, Iran managed to develop the country's rocket industry to the level of one of the largest and most modern in the Middle East. Its further development largely depends on the receipt of foreign technologies. In the future, the leadership of the PCU plans to comprehensively solve technical problems associated with the development of new types of missile weapons, by enhancing military-technical cooperation with China, the DPRK and India.

The aviation industry of Iran at the present stage has a sufficiently developed scientific and technical base to maintain the required level of combat effectiveness of the national air force. The industry includes enterprises that specialize mainly in extending the life of aviation equipment (AT), previously supplied by Western manufacturers, and refining it in accordance with the needs of the armed forces.

The basis of the aviation industry is the Organization of the aviation industry - OAP, which includes a number of companies, individual enterprises and research centers. The leading companies in the structure of the OAP are:
- "Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries" (Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries - LAMI, an abbreviation of Farsi - HESA);
- "Iran Helicopter Support & Renewal Company" (Iran Helicopter Support & Renewal Company - IHSRC, abbreviation in Farsi - PANHA);
- "Iran Aircraft Industries" (Iran Aircraft Industries - LAO, abbreviation in Farsi - SAHA).

"Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries" is the country's largest manufacturer of AT. Currently, its production facilities are equipped with the production of training aircraft (TCB), UAVs and aircraft engines. In addition, the company has modernized part of the existing F-5E / F "Tiger-2" American-made fighter jets, which were called Azarahsh. The aircraft features a new tail assembly, Russian-made engines, a new radar, and an increased fuselage length.



The result of the further modernization of the F-SE / A was the conversion of several machines into variants called Saje. At the same time, Iranian specialists are positioning these aircraft models as samples of their own production, although there is no information on the release of just such machines.

Also, “Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries” is actively developing the production of multi-purpose UAVs of the Ababil family and the Karrah drums (Karrar).



Along with the development and production of airplanes, UAV pays close attention to the development of helicopters. The main specialized company is "Iran Helicopter Support and Marketing Company", which performs maintenance and repair of more than ten types of foreign-made helicopters, which are in service with the Armed Forces of Iran. It has workshops for servicing engines, transmissions, radio-electronic equipment, navigation equipment and gyroscopes, as well as assembling helicopter bodies.

In addition to repairing helicopter equipment, the company's specialists make considerable efforts to modernize it on the basis of the existing AT fleet of foreign production. So, the Panha 2091 (PANHA 2091) helicopter was created based on the American Bell AN-1 Super Cobra. Bell helicopters 205 and 206 are taken as the basis for creating two modifications - Panha Shabaviz 2-75 (PANHA Shabaviz 2-75) and Panha Shabaviz 2061 (PANHA Shabaviz 2061), respectively.



Iran Aircraft Industries accounts for the largest amount of repairs, upgrades and maintenance of aircraft and helicopters performed in the aviation industry, including the F-5 Tiger-2, F-4 Fantom, F-14 fighters Tomkat, as well as military transport aircraft F-27 and C-130.

Thus, despite the measures taken to develop the aviation industry, it is currently not able to fully meet the needs of the national armed forces and is limited mainly to re-equipment, modernization and repair of the existing foreign AT. Creating your own samples, which involves the alteration of existing foreign aircraft, is difficult due to the inability to ensure the full production cycle.

On this basis, measures are being taken to modernize and re-equip enterprises, to increase the scientific potential of specialized NIOs through the active involvement of foreign specialists, and the acquisition abroad of military and dual-use technologies, modern equipment, and high-quality raw materials.

The armored industry is represented by enterprises that are part of the Organization of the Defense Industry and are mainly engaged in re-equipment, modernization and repair of armored vehicles. Manufactured products of own production is mainly analogous to Chinese, Soviet or British samples.

The main enterprises specializing in this field are part of the Wickle and Equipment Industrial Group. At the initial stage of development of this industry, the main task of the group was to create the necessary capacities for repairing foreign models of armored vehicles in service with the national armed forces. Subsequently, a number of industrial enterprises and NIOs entered the GHGs, which greatly expanded the capabilities of the armored industry. Currently, GHG enterprises have capabilities for licensed production of some samples, upgrades, and also for the production of armored vehicle components.

So, at the enterprise "Shahid Kolahduz" (Shahid Kolah-Dooz Industrial Complex) production of the main combat tanks "Zulfikar" (Zulfiqar), developed in the late 1990s on the basis of the Soviet T-72S and American M48 and M60. In addition, light tanks “Tusan”, BMP “Borag” (Boragh) and BTR “Rakhsh” (Rakhsh) are produced there.



Research and development in the field of armored vehicles (BTT) is carried out by specialists from the Research Institute (IWI) at the Wickle Equipment Equipment Industrial Group. The modern scientific and technical base of the institute allows the development of models of armored vehicles and various systems, in particular, fire control systems.

At the present stage, the armored industry is not able to meet the needs of the Iranian Armed Forces in full and is represented mainly by enterprises for the repair and modernization of existing models of armored vehicles. The nomenclature of samples of its own production is extremely limited and includes mainly adapted versions of foreign developments.

Further development in the development and production of our own armored vehicles is possible only with the active use of foreign technologies, the availability of the necessary qualified personnel and the building-up of a scientific and technical base.

The artillery and rifle industry is represented by a number of enterprises for the production of MLRS launchers, self-propelled and towed guns of field and anti-aircraft artillery, mortars, grenade launchers and other small arms that are part of the Defense Industry Organization.

The largest producers of artillery and small arms are the enterprises of the Hadid industrial group (HADID Industrial Complex), which have shops for conventional and high-precision casting, heat treatment and heavy billet processing. At its facilities, the production of large, medium and small caliber guns, self-propelled artillery, mortars and small arms.

The Fajr industrial group (Fajr) is engaged in the production of hand-held and machine-mounted anti-tank grenade launchers Saegheh, Nader (Nader) and Nafez, developed on the basis of Soviet designs.

The production of artillery and rifle industry meets modern requirements and fully meets the needs of the Armed Forces of Iran in the main types of small arms. In the future, it is planned to master the production of the latest types of artillery weapons.

The ammunition industry is represented by a number of manufacturing enterprises that are part of the PLO. The leading positions in it are occupied by Ammunition & Metallurgy Industries Group (AMIG), which includes more than ten enterprises.

So, at the factories of the Shahid Sajad Shirazi company and the ammunition manufacturing complex, artillery shells and small arms ammunition are manufactured. In addition, several production lines were built for the production of 324- and 533-mm torpedoes and sea mines.

Another large enterprise of the same profile is the PG-Chin-6 PG (Parchin-b), which is engaged in the production of its own developed ammunition for RDG-type grenade launchers. At its own capacities, the production of various types of powders, explosives, and electric detonators was adjusted.

Specialists of the Isfahan Chemical Industries (Isfahan Chemical Industries) are actively involved in the ammunition equipment.

In general, this industry is able to meet the needs of the armed forces of the country. In the future, it is planned to expand the range of products manufactured by it and to ensure the production of ammunition for all existing weapons and weapons that are accepted for service.

Iran's shipbuilding industry for a long time was not among the priority sectors of the military-industrial complex. However, in recent years, the country's leadership has been forced to pay special attention to the modernization and development of the naval component of the national armed forces. This is primarily due to the increased importance of ensuring the protection of territorial waters and the sea coast in the waters of the Caspian Sea, the Persian and Oman gulfs, as well as control over navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

The industry is based on the Organization of the Shipbuilding Industry (CAP), which includes a number of GHGs and research centers that produce samples of naval technology, as well as repairs and upgrades of surface and submarines already in service. Among the most important enterprises operating under the leadership of the PSP are Shahid Darvishi, Shahid Julai and Shahid Tamjidi.

The IG Shahid Darvishi (Shahid Darvishi) enterprises specialize in the design and manufacture of ultra-small, small and medium-sized diesel submarines, as well as repair and upgrade Russian 877EKM submarines of the Iranian Navy. In the process of creating submarines, the experts of the group widely use foreign experience and technologies, as well as the necessary production equipment and materials.



Thus, the North Korean super small submarine (SMPL) of the Iugo project (Yugo), in the design and construction of which technical support was provided by North Korean specialists, served as the basis for creating the Gadir SMPL series (Al-Ghadir).



Along with the construction of submarines, the Islamic Republic of Iran pays considerable attention to the production of other technologically complex samples of naval equipment. For example, the shipyards of PG Shahid Tamjidi (Shahid Tamjidi Industries) and Shahid Julai (Shahid Julaei Industries) are building frigates with guided missile weapons (URO) of the Moudge type with the assistance of Chinese and Indian specialists.



Shahid Julai’s production facilities are also implementing projects for the construction of combat boats, the most significant of which is the Sina type missile boat. The GHG includes a research and design institute that conducts R & D in the field of modern surface and submarine ships.

Currently, Iran’s shipbuilding industry is in the process of formation and can partially satisfy the needs of the country's naval forces. Most of the naval equipment produced at the enterprises is copies of foreign samples. At the same time, the construction of such ships as frigates of URO and DEPL testifies to positive trends in the industry and corresponds to the plans of the Party of People's Republic of Belarus. However, its further development is directly dependent on the receipt of foreign technologies and timely financing.

The radio-electronic industry is represented by the Organization of the Radio-Electronic Industry (PIU), which is focused on the development and production of military communication systems, electronic weapons control systems, security systems, information systems, and other radio-electronic equipment.

The industry includes more than 20 companies. Among the most significant are enterprises of the companies Iran Communications Industries and Shiraz Electronics Industries.

Iran Communications Industries (Iran Communications Industries - ICI) is a leading manufacturer of equipment for communication systems. At the enterprise, about 100 production lines are involved, more than 80 items of military products are produced. The nomenclature of military installations includes portable radio stations of the HF, VHF and microwave ranges, telecommunication systems and information collection and processing systems. The development of new types of technology and the issues of scientific and technical support of production is carried out by its own research and development center.

Shiraz Electronic Industries (Shiraz Electronic Industries - SEI) specializes in the design and manufacture of electronic equipment for military and civilian use. The company has 50 production lines equipped with modern equipment. Capacities of the enterprise allow to develop and manufacture on-board systems "friend - foe", navigation tools, electronic warfare and radar, control and automation, electronic weapon control systems, night vision devices, radar and other radio-electronic equipment.

In the framework of the PIU, special attention is paid to the continuous improvement of the quality level of R & D in the interests of introducing advanced technologies into the production process in accordance with current international standards. The bulk of the work is entrusted to research organizations, the largest of which is the Iran Electronics Research Center (Iran Electronics Research Center - IERC). The capabilities of the center allow the use of modern technologies for the development and creation of communication systems, radar, microprocessors, optoelectronics, antennas and other radio-electronic equipment.

The organization of the radio-electronic industry almost completely meets the needs of the country in communications and telecommunications. At the same time, in the process of developing military hardware, the focus is on creating reliable communications capable in the conditions of a rapidly changing environment and the massive use of electronic suppression by the enemy to ensure successful solution of the tasks of operational and mobilization deployment of the Armed Forces, as well as sustainable command and control of troops. action.

At the present stage, the Iranian military industry is able to meet the needs of the national armed forces in artillery and small arms, ammunition, explosives, radio-electronic equipment, as well as in some types of naval equipment. Active work is underway in the field of rocket production and aircraft construction, the production of armored vehicles is being mastered, and almost all types of weapons and military equipment in service with the national armed forces are being repaired and modernized.

In the foreseeable future, the pace of development of the Iranian military industry will directly depend on the scale of funding for the development and production of weapons and military equipment, determined by the level of the country's economy, as well as opportunities to gain access to foreign technologies.

Material prepared: Dekabrist


Primary Sources:
Foreign military review. 2016, No. 8, p. 28-35
Foreign military review. 2016, No. 10, p. 8-17
The military potential of Iran. Manachinsky A.Y. M .: Publisher Vorobev A.V. Xnumx
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  1. SPB.RU
    SPB.RU 31 December 2016 06: 34
    +7
    And we bastards supported the sanctions against Iran :(
    1. tihiy
      tihiy 31 December 2016 06: 46
      +10
      Quote: SPB.RU
      And we bastards supported the sanctions against Iran :(

      not we bastards, but those in the Kremlin
      1. meshorer
        meshorer 31 December 2016 11: 39
        +4
        Bastards are not those who supported the sanctions, but those who lifted them (Barack Hussein Obama). The topic of Iran’s nuclear project and the construction of intercontinental missiles have not been disclosed.
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 31 December 2016 13: 36
          +10
          Quote: meshorer
          Bastards are not those who supported the sanctions, but those who lifted them (Barack Hussein Obama). The topic of Iran’s nuclear project and the construction of intercontinental missiles have not been disclosed.

          Build, like the DPRK! You also have ..? bully There is Hezbollah too, it helps us well in Syria .. But what, is Iran worse than Israel?
          1. meshorer
            meshorer 31 December 2016 15: 06
            +4
            Meehan, I don’t feed trolls like you. I don’t react to you and Vatnik.
        2. Ivanov17
          Ivanov17 31 December 2016 17: 11
          +7
          As well as the topic of nuclear weapons of the hypocritical Israel. Obama did the right thing. Or rather, one of his few correct movements. The US should not always go “in your favor”? Why should the US hard workers keep you on their necks and die for your interests? And then you all have to work out all over the world. "Mouth will not crack"?
          Quote: meshorer
          Bastards are not those who supported the sanctions, but those who lifted them (Barack Hussein Obama). The topic of Iran’s nuclear project and the construction of intercontinental missiles have not been disclosed.
        3. Ilja2016
          Ilja2016 31 December 2016 19: 26
          +6
          And when will sanctions be introduced against Israel?
        4. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 2 January 2017 00: 17
          +4
          Quote: meshorer
          Bastards are not those who supported the sanctions, but those who lifted them (Barack Hussein Obama). The topic of Iran’s nuclear project and the construction of intercontinental missiles have not been disclosed.

          I read the comments of the Israelis on the "Iranian" articles and every time they surprise and indignate me. You openly consider yourself the chosen one and do not hesitate to declare this on the Russian information resource.
          I have a very simple question for you - why did you decide that Israel has the right to have medium-range ballistic missiles in fact nuclear weapons, but Iran not ??? I, as well as you, are not very secretive of the idea of ​​the appearance of another member of the nuclear club at your side, but I must admit that Iran has the right to it, regardless of our desire or unwillingness.
          1. taypan
            taypan 2 January 2017 05: 28
            +2
            You have touched upon such a topic. Now they will come running and shaking the Talmuds will declare: Israel has not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. And Iran has signed. Well, and other nonsense. Everyone wants to stop them like that. The whole world is against them.
    2. taypan
      taypan 31 December 2016 06: 51
      +7
      Well, if you are sitting at the same table with Berl Lazar, then YES, YOU supported the sanctions against Iran. And if you are not a descendant of the Khazars, then nothing depends on you, and on us.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 January 2017 02: 51
        +2
        The article is large, informative, definitely ++++, but the topic is large and not often touched upon. Who knows, maybe the author plans to cover this "eastern" theme in other articles. After all, the region attracts attention and the topic will be of interest to many for a long time. Relations between the USSR, Russia and Iran have always been complicated. However, when Ayatollah came to power ---- Soviet specialists began to be invited to Iran, their guards accompanied, by the way, all the time. My grandfather told me that he was there on a business trip at that time in the forefront.
  2. SPB.RU
    SPB.RU 31 December 2016 06: 36
    0
    By the way, if they are Kent, then Kim can throw a nuclear bomb to Iran?)))
    1. acrshooter
      acrshooter 31 December 2016 11: 52
      +1
      I will still see how they will implement it. From North Korea to Iran, after all, there are not 2 bast shoes on the map, and the batononium is not a needle in a haystack.
      Plus, Israeli intelligence works like a Swiss watch ...
      Sincerely, Arthur
  3. SPB.RU
    SPB.RU 31 December 2016 06: 37
    0
    Happy New Year!
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 31 December 2016 07: 33
    +1
    To the author, about Iraq, I can say that with the efforts of the United States they will fight the whole history with a needle. Moreover, this country is independent, and in fact is not able to make serious decisions.
  5. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 31 December 2016 07: 39
    +5
    enemy of my enemy .. my friend .. this principle we now need to implement.
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 31 December 2016 15: 30
      +2
      I support your post

      But I will add. that this is - although the most important - but not the only reason. according to which Armenia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, and a little later, Russia began rapprochement and a course towards alliance with Iran (that is, almost all the countries of the CSTO and the Eurasian Union). The economic and trade aspects are also important.

      We all benefit from peace and cooperation on the continent - and external adversaries need chaos and war. This is now well understood both in the Russian Federation and in Iran. No wonder that in all the speeches of the entire Iranian leadership (not too lazy - I went to read) from Ahmadinejad to Sajidi or Rouhani, Russia and Kazakhstan are called exclusively friendly neighbors - in fact friends
      While the West and the USA with Israel are enemies

      In recent years, our KZ has developed extremely close cooperation relations with Iran - with the launch of railway and the meeting of our presidents, who openly declared (and it was surprising that our NAS was not afraid of US anger this time) that Iran and Kazakhstan would be strategic partners and the turnover would be increased by 5 times and so on ...
  6. Old26
    Old26 31 December 2016 12: 35
    +3
    Quote: Atlant-1164
    enemy of my enemy .. my friend .. this principle we now need to implement.

    It is not always necessary to realize what seems to lie on the surface. Do not forget that Iran is a large Muslim country and is by no means a secular one. To contact - yes, to sell something - yes. But "throwing yourself into arms" just because they are enemies of my enemy is also not worth it. Now Iran is kind of like a "friend" to us, a dozen years ago it put us on a par with the United States, considering us an enemy. Don't forget. that the country has a sufficiently developed rocket industry and if they become our enemy again, their missiles will reach not only Moscow and the Urals, as now, but much further.

    In some ways I agree with the comrade meshorer

    Quote: meshorer
    The topic of Iran’s nuclear project and the construction of intercontinental missiles have not been disclosed.

    The topic of ICBMs is not disclosed, nor is Iran’s nuclear project. There are already launch vehicles - just around the corner and the creation of ICBMs. Moreover, unlike North Korean carriers, they already use high boiling point SRTs such as heptyl and nitrogen tetraxide. As for the nuclear program. The level of industrial development in Iran allowed them to build quite serious uranium enrichment enterprises. Moreover, they worked, in principle, at half strength. Iran had plans to have about 2018 centrifuges by 2020-50000 (at the time of the conclusion, they had about half of this number). And the main thing is that once having learned how to create weapons-grade uranium, they will be able to do it again and again. especially if the processing plant remains untouched.
    And what about the enemy of my enemy. There was a time when the British were our enemy No. 1. And they were the same enemy No. 1 for Germany. You do not catch analogies ??

    Actually, ALL with the COMING NEW YEAR! And I wish, as Muslim Magomayev sang: "I wish you everything that you wish for yourself!"
    1. Dekabrist
      31 December 2016 13: 12
      +3
      The theme of ICBMs relates to armaments. Nuclear design is the topic of a separate article. You won’t put everything in one article.
    2. Ivanov17
      Ivanov17 31 December 2016 17: 06
      +2
      The USSR was considered the enemy because of the communist ideology and support of Saddam Hussein, but in the late 80s military-technical cooperation and arms supplies to Iran began. The interests of Iran and the Russian Federation in the Middle East coincide. Are secular Christian countries important to us allies? In geopolitics, this is not the main thing.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 December 2016 15: 09
    +1
    Iran is likely to continue its nuclear program. With science they are more or less. Of course, they have to be careful, there can be no question of testing, but ... Tests can be carried out in Korea. This one has nothing to lose. The more countries there are under sanctions, the more likely they are to unite and cooperate. As in that sad anecdote about the psychiatrist: "For now there are more of us. But this is for now ..."
  8. Justme
    Justme 31 December 2016 15: 26
    0
    By the way,
    on our technical forums, messages about working conditions and the specifics of developments conducted in Iran used to slip through ..
  9. Brave Schweik-2
    Brave Schweik-2 31 December 2016 15: 53
    +2
    Serious guys! But they need help ...
  10. Old26
    Old26 31 December 2016 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: ivanov17
    The USSR was considered the enemy because of the communist ideology and support of Saddam Hussein, but in the late 80s military-technical cooperation and arms supplies to Iran began. The interests of Iran and the Russian Federation in the Middle East coincide. Are secular Christian countries important to us allies? In geopolitics, this is not the main thing.

    I'll start with the last question. Yes, Christian countries are not our allies. But when religious leaders are in power in the country, it is also not a good option. And we were an enemy for Iran only under the previous President of Iran - Ahmadinijad. It was he who, in addition to calling on the steppe from the face of the planet, the same Israel, he also compared us with America, calling us, as in his time Ayatollah Khomeini, the little Satan (America - the big Satan). Numerously substituted Russia during the work of the group "6 + 1". So I do not believe in such a country. Cooperate - yes, be allies - thank you

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Iran is likely to continue its nuclear program. With science they are more or less. Of course, they have to be careful, there can be no question of testing, but ... Tests can be carried out in Korea. This one has nothing to lose. The more countries there are under sanctions, the more likely they are to unite and cooperate. As in that sad anecdote about the psychiatrist: "For now there are more of us. But this is for now ..."

    Alternatively, such an outcome is possible. And I don’t want to have another nuclear country nearby.

    Quote: Brave Schweik-2
    Serious guys! But they need help ...

    Mandatory. How otherwise. It’s so wise to produce another nuclear power next to you
    1. Ivanov17
      Ivanov17 1 January 2017 14: 26
      +2
      Nonsense and nonsense. Nowhere did Ahmadinejad call Russia an enemy. Was this "analyst" Satanovsky opened his eyes by Tel Avision?
    2. alone
      alone 4 January 2017 10: 19
      0
      Greetings Old! Actually, the words about Russia and the United States do not belong to Ahmednidzhat, but Ayatollah Khomeini, who was the architect of the current Iranian system. Ahmednijat compared to him is a small fry.
      As for Iran, despite enthusiastic exclamations and urapatriotic cries, I see nothing super-important in the Iranian military-technical potential. A lot of modernized
      junk, besides a lot of American production.
      Aviation develops due to the cannibalism of technology. And the spare parts that are manufactured in Iran do not save Iranian military aviation. But no matter how hard you try, these are still 3rd generation airplanes and they will not be able to properly confront potential opponents.
      the ground forces and the level of training are not the best. It is enough to remember how many generals were killed in battles in Syria. The generals raise the infantry to attack (as in 1941).
      the only combat-capable ground units are the IRGC, which is similar to the Republican Guard of Iraq. And as we know, the guard failed to save Saddam alone.

      From all we can conclude: A very average state militarily. There are simply a lot of advertising and screams. And there are problems up my throat.
  11. Type 63
    Type 63 31 December 2016 18: 17
    +1
    Iranian armored personnel carrier "Raksh" - own development
  12. Sars
    Sars 1 January 2017 10: 05
    +2
    Iran is such a locomotive, which "rushes" regardless of Medvedev's pits.
    I think that Russia is more interested in friendly relations with Iran than they are with us.
    For fifteen years, the Euro-Troichniks have been managing the economy of the Russian Federation - the "fascist regime of Ayatols" will overtake us in all respects. "
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 January 2017 12: 04
    +3
    Currently, 60-70% of the needs for military equipment and chemistry can be met from open civilian developments that are on the open market ... if there is political will, then there are no barriers. Civilian electronics, diesel, and chemistry are also available.
    1. Justme
      Justme 1 January 2017 14: 39
      +2
      Here you can say even more rude ..
      For example, our military want their Javelins ... Well, what are the problems? ..
      Now in the public domain there are gorgeous CCD arrays, multi-core processors adapted for stream processing of data .., it is possible to abandon complex mechanics in the form of gyroscopes and shift the emphasis of project complexity to mathematical processing ..
      That is, shooting with such a Javelin - this will no longer be shooting with a bag of dough ..
      Well? .. We are waiting for the Iranians or the Chinese to offer such developments? ..

      What does not suit you? An industial or automotive grade kit is much better than nothing or chewing snot with prehistoric porn ... In fact, the main problem is the creation of mathematics and its debugging in the general configuration of the project .. When its own adequate element base comes up, there will be no more problems to translate . After all, a simple example - our airborne radars with HEADLIGHTS were made and worked out initially at Tiger Sharks, now all this has been transferred to the domestic analogue.

      Generally speaking, it is necessary to put things in order in the practice of using imported equipment - this should not be a zone where all sorts of brain and degenerates are being fooled ..
  14. samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 January 2017 18: 46
    +3
    Interesting review. A good example for Russia of how to overcome sanctions. The development of weapons systems in the face of a severe asset freeze, Israel's "acts of humanism" and sanctions on trade and technology. In Iran, the leaders demonstrate non-phony patriotism, ingeniously adjusting foreign and domestic policies. Iranians are interesting in show business, sports, cinema. Russian politicians have a lot to learn!
  15. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 1 January 2017 19: 41
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Relations between the USSR, the Russian Federation and Iran have always been complicated. However, when Ayatollah came to power ---- Soviet specialists were invited to Iran, their guard accompanied, by the way, all the way. My grandfather told me that he was on a business trip at that time in the forefront.

    The relations of the USSR with the Iranian Shah were excellent. Iran's ground forces under the Shah were heavily armed with Soviet weapons. In addition, the USSR built a tank repair plant in Iran, without which Iran would have lost the war with Iraq quite quickly.
    But with the advent of Ayatollah, relations between the USSR and Iran became very complicated. And now they are far from simple with Russia.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 January 2017 09: 56
      0
      [quote = Captain Pushkin] [quote = Reptiloid] From

      But with the advent of Ayatollah, relations between the USSR and Iran became very complicated. And now they are far from simple with Russia. [/ Quote]
      Grandfather said that the security was serious and it was impossible to deviate from the route. All these events took place long before my birth, it is necessary instead of always ----- to choose another word.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 January 2017 10: 10
        +2
        I read one historian that Hitler was going to start a war with Iran, and our troops had to let him through, and in turn declare war on the Melkobrites. Rudy Hess fucked up ... crying
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 4 January 2017 15: 10
      0
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      The relations of the USSR with the Iranian Shah were excellent.

      The relations between the USSR and Iran during the Shah were very tense on the basis of the Americans, and in particular, U-2 spy planes (over the USSR) were flying along with a lot of provocations at the borders.
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      Iran's ground forces under the Shah were heavily armed with Soviet weapons

      Arms purchases from the USSR to Iran were carried out at Mossodyk, which, in connection with the nationalization of the oil industry that belonged to England and the United States, was overthrown and the Soviet armament was replaced by the Soviet armament, which remained in the army due to its reliability and unpretentiousness.
      Shah of Iran did not purchase weapons in the USSR
      Well, if only spare parts for previously delivered equipment.
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      In addition, the USSR built a tank repair plant in Iran, without which Iran would have lost the war with Iraq quite quickly.

      Where does this information come from?
  16. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 1 January 2017 19: 47
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Zaurbek Today, 12:04 PM New
    Currently, 60-70% of the needs for military equipment and chemistry can be met from open civilian developments that are on the open market ... if there is political will, then there are no barriers. Civilian electronics, diesel, and chemistry are also available.

    Well yes. On the Su-24, shot down by the Turks, a black box was made on civilian electronics. Do you know the result?
    The box itself was intact, and the memory chips scattered in the trash.
    Some regular effective managers once again did not frailly cut the dough for easy.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 1 January 2017 21: 55
      0
      During the production of the Su-24M this could not be, this time. Even in civilian aircraft, black boxes were given by military standards these are two.
    2. Justme
      Justme 3 January 2017 20: 32
      0
      When such things are designed, there are three options
      1. "To score on everything" ... and immediately make a hack
      2. First, read a million of instructions, OSTs, GOSTs, STP ... and then with a clear conscience ... make a hack ..
      3. Turn on the brains, break up the problem into its component parts, .. carry out the necessary practical micro-research, .. carry out computational studies, ... prove yourself as a design assistant, ... perform total final testing ..., instantly turn to the "second circle ".. and" roll "the problem for the second time, eliminating residual defects ...

      There are two outrageous points in the latter approach.
      - This is firstly, it is not right! Does everything mean that in the morning you don’t knock your head on the Talmud of RK-75? (RC-2000 or what else? ...) .. Isn't it ...
      - But ... let's say ... here we have, by some miracle, this super-result ... (professional solution to a non-obvious problem ..) .. And after that, someone here hints at his authorship ?. ..
  17. Aviagr
    Aviagr 2 January 2017 19: 15
    +1
    Iranians are good copiers (this is the fate of all those who catch up), but their weak point, like ours, is electronics - more precisely, its underdevelopment in the form of industry. And if we take the oil equipment and the same shock UAVs, then in the "hardware" they even overtook us somewhere, but the electronics and algorithms are lagging behind.
    I read an article about their weapons exhibition - a lot of ground-based robots and UAVs, but not a word about marine ones. I would like to find out how things are going in this direction.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 4 January 2017 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Aviagr
      Iranians are good copyists (this is the fate of all those catching up)

      To China they are far from sanctions against Iran since 1979, hence the general backlog of industry.
      Quote: Aviagr
      the same drone drone

      In any case, their strike UAV Shahed-129 fly and fight.

      Quote: Aviagr
      but electronics and algorithms are lagging behind.

      Undoubtedly.
      Quote: Aviagr
      but not a word about the sea. I would like to find out how they are doing in this direction.

      Poor - surface ships of the corvette class (light frigate) as well as various missile and patrol boats, small submarines of the Gadir type and experimental submarines
      Light Frigate Jamaran

      There are such patrol catamarans, although this is more of a "perversion".
      1. Aviagr
        Aviagr 4 January 2017 18: 19
        0
        Yes, I was talking about this ... But I asked - about robots. Still, they need to protect the sea borders - and not with these aluminum coasters for coffee .. bully
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 4 January 2017 18: 27
          0
          Quote: Aviagr
          But he asked - about robots.

          And what are robots in your view?
          "Terminators" or what?

          So Iran does not have them. smile
          1. Aviagr
            Aviagr 4 January 2017 18: 37
            0
            No, they had at an exhibition like Nerekhta, Companion-land; All kinds of UAVs, but they didn’t show sea UAVs ... I’m interested in ..
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 4 January 2017 18: 50
              0
              Quote: Aviagr
              they had at the exhibition such as Nerekhta, Companion-land

              They exist, but in a "rudimentary" state.

              Quote: Aviagr
              All kinds of UAVs

              UAV many different above I gave a video from Shahed-129
              Quote: Aviagr
              but they didn’t show marine ones ... I’m interested in ..

              About marine robots, if you mean ships, I myself haven’t seen them most likely they simply don’t.
              But the Iranian UAVs the Persian Gulf and other bodies of water are patrolling.
              1. Aviagr
                Aviagr 4 January 2017 20: 27
                0
                Yes, thanks, I already read about it, I’m saying .. hi
                But I have not met the "sea" ones myself.
  18. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2017 11: 02
    0
    Quote: ivanov17
    Nonsense and nonsense. Nowhere did Ahmadinejad call Russia an enemy. Was this "analyst" Satanovsky opened his eyes by Tel Avision?

    That is, if someone else has a look at this problem, is this rubbish and he is an accomplice of Tel Aviv? I’m many years old to have an opinion, maybe even different from others. I see nothing wrong with what Satanovsky writes and says. At least it is more accurate and more honest than the mass of our ANALitegs.
    The fact that under Ahmadi there were serious tensions in relations, in particular during the construction of Bushehr, is known not only from media reports. What he set up for Russia during the 6 + 1 period of work - only those who do not want to see this can turn a blind eye. About the expression. I know perfectly well what Khomeini said, but our media in the television broadcasts and ascribe the same phrase to him. But even if he did not say this, the first two positions: Bushehr and 6 + 1 are enough to treat Iran at least with caution, and preferably with suspicion. This is still the East ...

    Quote: lonely
    Greetings Old! Actually, the words about Russia and the United States do not belong to Ahmednidzhat, but Ayatollah Khomeini, who was the architect of the current Iranian system. Ahmednijat compared to him is a small fry.
    As for Iran, despite enthusiastic exclamations and urapatriotic cries, I see nothing super-important in the Iranian military-technical potential. A lot of modernized
    junk, besides a lot of American production.
    Aviation develops due to the cannibalism of technology. And the spare parts that are manufactured in Iran do not save Iranian military aviation. But no matter how hard you try, these are still 3rd generation airplanes and they will not be able to properly confront potential opponents.
    the ground forces and the level of training are not the best. It is enough to remember how many generals were killed in battles in Syria. The generals raise the infantry to attack (as in 1941).
    the only combat-capable ground units are the IRGC, which is similar to the Republican Guard of Iraq. And as we know, the guard failed to save Saddam alone.

    From all we can conclude: A very average state militarily. There are simply a lot of advertising and screams. And there are problems up my throat.

    Greetings, Omar! As for the authorship of the phrase about the two Satans - I know. But at least several times, replicating the statements of Ahmadi, sometimes almost simultaneously, our media, including and federal, attributed AND HIM this phrase.
    The only locomotive of Iran's military-technical potential is its missile development. They are, let's say, quite advanced for a country like Iran. As for the aviation and the navy, I agree. Yesterday. Air Defense - based on the developments of the 60-70s. And even the presence of several S-300 complexes and a couple of dozen "shells" do not and will not do the weather.

    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Relations between the USSR, the Russian Federation and Iran have always been complicated. However, when Ayatollah came to power ---- Soviet specialists were invited to Iran, their guard accompanied, by the way, all the way. My grandfather told me that he was on a business trip at that time in the forefront.

    The relations of the USSR with the Iranian Shah were excellent. Iran's ground forces under the Shah were heavily armed with Soviet weapons. In addition, the USSR built a tank repair plant in Iran, without which Iran would have lost the war with Iraq quite quickly.
    But with the advent of Ayatollah, relations between the USSR and Iran became very complicated. And now they are far from simple with Russia.

    But many people think that it is necessary ... it is necessary ... it is such an ally, such an ally ... And they cannot be convinced that rushing headlong into the arms of Iran, concluding an agreement on alliance and mutual assistance is not worth it ... But this is their opinion, and I am not going to persuade. Each has its own ...

    Quote: Zaurbek
    During the production of the Su-24M this could not be, this time. Even in civilian aircraft, black boxes were given by military standards these are two.

    Nevertheless, the video and photographic fixation showed exactly what it says Captain Pushkin. Broken boards and microcircuits, although they should have remained unharmed.
    1. alone
      alone 4 January 2017 11: 17
      0
      Iran's missile development is based on research with North Korean missiles. Even if you look closely at the photographs of the missiles, one can state one fact: You want to name the missile 100 times Shehab, Qadr, etc., but the rocket says in black and white "His Majesty SCUD" ))))

      But in fairness, it should be noted that they are working hard on these projects with the help of the Chinese and Koreans. They do not have such specialists. And those who have long been in another world with the help of Mossad
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 4 January 2017 15: 39
      0
      Quote: Old26
      That is, if someone else has a look at this problem, is this rubbish and he is an accomplice of Tel Aviv?

      The fact is that your "different view" completely coincides with the opinion of Israel. lol
      Quote: Old26
      I’m many years old to have an opinion, maybe even different from others.

      Yes, no one disputes your opinion, you just do not need to invent it.
      Quote: Old26
      The fact that under Ahmadi there were serious tensions in relations, in particular during the construction of Bushehr

      Oh, do not just once again tell "horror stories" and to put it mildly - exaggerate. Relations are always between all countries of the world - complicated and Bushehr had its own troubles.

      Quote: Old26
      but our media in television broadcasts and they attribute the same phrase to him

      Do not read the Israeli press, she will not write to you lol
      Quote: Old26
      What he set up for Russia during the 6 + 1 period of work - only those who do not want to see this can turn a blind eye.

      Framed laughing it is you, apparently, Old26 we just saw.
      THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN AHMADINEJAD IN RUSSIA!


      Putin: Dear Mr. President! Dear colleagues, friends! Let me greet you warmly.

      Iran is our long-standing traditional partner, our neighbor, our closest partner in Caspian cooperation. Russia and Iran have long-standing traditions of mutual communication and cooperation. We respect the history and today of Iran and its people with great respect.

      Today we have a fairly large volume of economic cooperation. We are constantly in contact on all issues of the international agenda.
      http://www.kremlin.ru/catalog/countries/IR/events
      final match.
      Quote: Old26
      and better with suspicion

      This is the right thing to be suspicious of people like you.
      Quote: Old26
      As for the authorship of the phrase about the two Satans - I know. But at least several times, replicating the statements of Ahmadi, sometimes almost simultaneously, our media, including and federal, attributed AND HIM this phrase.

      Let's bring this phrase of Ahmadinejad so that everyone knows otherwise you look like a dreamer again.
      Quote: Old26
      and a couple of dozen "shells"

      If you read more, you would know that Iran never had "Shell".
      So stop writing what you simply don’t know and sit down, read books and don’t engage in fantasies.
  19. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2017 12: 32
    0
    Quote: lonely
    Iran's missile development is based on research with North Korean missiles. Even if you look closely at the photographs of the missiles, one can state one fact: You want to name the missile 100 times Shehab, Qadr, etc., but the rocket says in black and white "His Majesty SCUD" ))))

    But in fairness, it should be noted that they are working hard on these projects with the help of the Chinese and Koreans. They do not have such specialists. And those who have long been in another world with the help of Mossad

    And I didn’t claim that these were their developments. The development of the SC is really the basis, and our SCAD was really the progenitor. And I must say that, nevertheless, the absence of such a sanctions blockade, as in the UK, allowed Iran to move a little further.
    1. alone
      alone 4 January 2017 16: 04
      0
      undoubtedly. The missile industry, the only link where they have undoubted successes.
  20. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2017 19: 14
    0
    Quote: quilted jacket
    The fact is that your "different view" completely coincides with the opinion of Israel.

    So what? Should I be deprived of my Russian citizenship for this? Send out of the country? Or something else? I very often have "my opinion" does not coincide with the opinion of the majority of those who write here, what of this? Especially in areas where I understand something.

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Yes, no one disputes your opinion, you just do not need to invent it.

    That's good. Everyone remains meaningful in their opinion. You are yours, I am yours

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Oh, do not just once again tell "horror stories" and to put it mildly - exaggerate. Relations are always between all countries of the world - complicated and Bushehr had its own troubles.

    That is, you yourself confirm that there were some troubles between Russia and Iran in Bushehr? I am not telling, mind you, any "horror stories." I just state the fact that there is a rather ambiguous and sometimes negative attitude towards our builders in Bushehr. As for the exaggeration. It’s probably easier to believe our press than the person who worked there. But I have more faith in the person who worked there. Although not in everything, of course

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Do not read the Israeli press, she will not write to you

    And I don’t read. I now have absolutely nothing to it. About 20 years ago, I read translations from her ...

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Framed laughing is you probably Old26 we just saw.

    Well, of course. Officially, he is so truthful, he must initially believe 100%. Based on this, since BB called Obama, our American friend, we must understand that he is such a friend to us that we do not need to dispute. And if you knew the Iranian nuclear problem better, as well as that and how Iran agreed to the proposals of Russia, and when everything was "on the ointment" did everything 180 degrees against what it negotiated with Russia - this is I call it "substituted". You know how the Iranian side boarded us with TVEL? I'm afraid not. Otherwise, they would not say that I am inventing

    Quote: quilted jacket
    This is the right thing to be suspicious of people like you.

    Treat. As I understand it, those who do not express thoughts similar to you are suspicious to you. In general, you would sometimes have to trust those who say something that does not correspond to your views. There is so much in our history that we have not been told before. And now for many, such data is sometimes a revelation. Do not believe. It is believed that the same USSR IS ALWAYS acted correctly

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Let's bring this phrase of Ahmadinejad so that everyone knows otherwise you look like a dreamer again.

    Ahmadinijat repeated the phrase of Ayatollah Khomeini that the United States is the greater Satan that Iran is fighting with, and Russia is small. Only Khomeini spoke of the USSR, while Ahmadi repeated this about Russia

    Quote: quilted jacket
    If you read more, you would know that Iran never had "Shell".
    So stop writing what you simply don’t know and sit down, read books and don’t engage in fantasies.

    If you read not only Wikipedia, but also used other sources of information, you might know that the contract for the supply of "Shell" to Syria was paid by Iran. It has been written quite a lot. And starting from about 2010 in reference books such as "Military Balance" as part of the air defense of the ground forces of Iran it appears as at least 10 "Shells". About the same amount - in the IRGC .. So, dear, I write what I KNOW. But it would not hurt you to read something on the subject, to learn materiel
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 4 January 2017 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      So what? Should I be deprived of Russian citizenship for this? Send from country? Or something else?

      Who needs you? Old26 is still messing with you. Live here that in our country besides you there are not many representatives of the "fifth column" lol
      Quote: Old26
      Especially in areas where I understand something.

      And you could not specify what kind of areas in which you "understand something"?
      Quote: Old26
      Everyone remains meaningful in their opinion. You are yours, I am yours

      Here I am talking about only when something write, let's link a photo video and not just unfounded statements.
      Quote: Old26
      So you yourself confirm that in Bushehr there were troubles between Russia and Iran?

      Of course there were troubles, because we had to finish building what was originally built and designed not by us.
      Quote: Old26
      It is probably easier to trust our press than the person who worked there. But I believe more in the one who worked there.

      Who was it? And it just looks like your own composition again.
      Quote: Old26
      I now have absolutely nothing to it.

      Of course, of course now you are directly receiving information from Rouhani Un and Assad lol
      Quote: Old26
      And if you knew the Iranian nuclear problem better, as well as that and how Iran agreed to the proposals of Russia, and when everything was "on the ointment" did everything 180 degrees against what it negotiated with Russia - this is I call it "substituted"

      Well, let's not "be ashamed" and tell us how everything really was, because as I understood you Stary26 enter the highest circles of our and not only our government and know all the ins and outs of agreements with Iran lol .
      Quote: Old26
      How did the Iranian side board us with TVELS know? I'm afraid not. Otherwise, they wouldn’t say that I’m making up

      And how did the Iranian side kick us?
      Iranian experts conducted an audit of fresh fuel for the Bushehr NPP at the NCPC 19.10.2016
      The Novosibirsk Chemical Concentrates Plant PJSC (part of the TVEL Fuel Company of Rosatom) was visited by representatives of the Iranian Atomic Energy Production and Development Organization, Iran’s Nuclear Safety Supervision Department and Bushehr NPP.

      Iranian partners inspected fresh nuclear fuel for the third transshipment of Bushehr NPP, familiarized themselves with the production of fuel rods, the assembly of the frame, the manufacture and packaging of fuel assemblies.
      Experts from Iran noted the high competencies of employees of the Novosibirsk enterprise of the Fuel Company of Rosatom TVEL. “During the inspection, we asked a lot of questions about technology. Directly in the workshops, they showed and explained to us all the features of the production process, ”said Meisam Shahabizade, a fuel expert at the Iranian Atomic Energy Production and Development Organization. - The control was carried out in accordance with all standards and we were satisfied with the quality of the products. We hope for long-term and fruitful cooperation with TVEL JSC and the Novosibirsk plant of chemical concentrates, ”said Meisam Shahabizade.
      http://www.tvel.ru/wps/wcm/connect/tvel/tvelsite/
      presscentre/news/776feb004ea6b80f86dacfea560238df

      In Iran, laid the first stone of Bushehr-2, the second block of the previously constructed nuclear power plant

      Quote: Old26
      In general, you would sometimes have to trust those who say something that does not correspond to your views.

      You do not support your words in any way, so far these are only your fantasies.
      Quote: Old26
      Ahmadinijat repeated the phrase of Ayatollah Khomeini that the United States is the greater Satan that Iran is fighting with, and Russia is small. Only Khomeini spoke of the USSR, while Ahmadi repeated this about Russia

      Where was it?
      The answer is nowhere smile .
      So stop Old26 - compose.
      Quote: Old26
      And since about 2010, reference books such as "Military Balance" have at least 10 "Shells" in the air defense of the Iranian ground forces. About the same number - in the IRGC ..

      Show me where they at least once in these six years flashed in Iran?
      The answer is nowhere smile
      So stop reading Old26 and then write various unconfirmed data.
      Quote: Old26
      So, dear, I am writing what I KNOW. But it wouldn’t hurt you to read something on the topic, to learn the materiel

      Yes, you don’t know anything Old26 but just spreading various fabrications and rumors so read books and other press and not only Israeli. lol
  21. Old26
    Old26 4 January 2017 21: 40
    0
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Who needs you? Old26 is still messing with you. Live here that in our country besides you there are not many representatives of the "fifth column"

    Fifth? Or maybe the sixth? Or the seventh column?

    Quote: quilted jacket
    And you could not specify what kind of areas in which you "understand something"?

    State Technical Commission. Analytical direction. More specifically, space rocket technology

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Here I am talking about only when something write, let's link a photo video and not just unfounded statements.

    You know, dear Vatnik (nothing, what am I writing your nickname with a capital letter?), Having a sufficiently large personal archive, including and technical, I never collected it based on the fact that I need someone to prove something, give links, etc. If something is interesting to me, I fix the fact itself (maximum - where it came from). A policy in its purest form is not in my circle of interests, unless it concerns a field related to the military-industrial complex. Therefore, the statements of Ahmadinijad do not interest me in terms of where he is when he said this. I recorded information for myself - this is enough.
    You can assume that Ahmadi is an angel in the flesh and didn’t say anything (if it’s easier for you), but I came up with all this to denigrate him

    .
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Of course there were troubles, because we had to finish building what was originally built and designed not by us.

    This is not about the fact that there were construction and technical problems, but the problems of relations with our builders, up to the offensive inscriptions on the walls "Russians get out"

    .
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Who was it? And it just looks like your own composition again.

    You are interested in his name. surname, installation data?
    Surname - Pavlenko. First name - Andrey Mikhailovich. Specialty - civil engineer. The last two construction sites are Volgodonsk and Bushehr NPPs. Will this give you something? Do not want to believe that not everything was so blessed - do not believe ...

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Well, let's not "be ashamed" and tell us how everything really was, because as I understood you Stary26 enter the highest circles of our and not only our government and know all the ins and outs of agreements with Iran

    In order to know this, you do not need to be included, as you say, in the higher echelons of our and Iranian authorities. It is enough to read and not only what you like. But also that which is not particularly desirable to read. For events that are several years old, look for and read materials on program negotiations "SIX PLUS ONE", how and what happened, about the "freaks" of Iran. If you really want to know what and how, read it. Analyze. The range of materials is extensive. From ROSATOM materials to Foreign Ministry materials. There is nothing extraordinary about this.

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Of course, of course now you are directly receiving information from Rouhani Un and Assad

    Well, you think so. I did not state this. Do you get directly from them? Or through the messengers?

    Quote: quilted jacket
    And how did the Iranian side kick us?
    Iranian experts conducted an audit of fresh fuel for the Bushehr NPP at the NCPC 19.10.2016

    But to read carefully that it was during the period of the "SIX PLUS ONE" program, religion no longer allows you. Because of what was, I do not believe what is now.

    Quote: quilted jacket
    You do not support your words in any way, so far these are only your fantasies.

    And I won’t back it up. Do not expect. Someone to prove something? I fully enough answer the questions asked to me, and to give links to something - dismiss. In fact, in many forums in the RULES section they write. That the writer should either give a link, or in his own words is sufficiently lengthy to explain. The first option does not suit me. A lot of what I know cannot be supported by links. And not because it is secret, I just don’t know if these materials are online and in what form.

    Quote: quilted jacket
    Where was it?
    The answer is nowhere smile.
    So stop Old26 - compose.

    Well, okay. You know for sure that Ahmadi did not say this. Keep counting. We assume that I composed this in order to slander Ajmadi and Iran ....
    By the way, can you give a link that he never said this ??? Link to audio and video recording of his speeches or to their transcript

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    Show me where they at least once in these six years flashed in Iran?
    The answer is nowhere

    Well, everything is clear with you. Time YOU DID NOT SEE THEM - THERE ARE NOT. Do you know the famous gopher phrase? Here is your phrase from the same series ...

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    So stop reading Old26 and then write various unconfirmed data

    And you do not read. And indicate less what to do. I read your posts, most often this is not a description of the technique or your thoughts on this topic, but most often a collision with those who have a different opinion. Well, continue on in the same vein.

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    Yes, you don’t know anything Old26 but just spreading various fabrications and rumors so read books and other press and not only Israeli.

    Well, then you are with us Connoisseur
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 4 January 2017 22: 21
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      Fifth? Or maybe the sixth? Or the seventh column?

      Maybe out of the sixth or seventh we now have a lot of such "experts" lol
      .
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      State Technical Commission. Analytical direction. More specifically, space rocket technology

      Fiction again?
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      You know, dear Vatnik (nothing that I write your nickname with a capital letter?)

      So continue as they say - you are on the right track smile
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      You are interested in his name. surname, installation data?
      Surname - Pavlenko. First name - Andrey Mikhailovich. Specialty - civil engineer.

      In short, another fantasy from the series - Vasya Pupkin told me that there is life on Mars lol
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      As for the events that are several years old, look for and read materials about the negotiations on the SIX PLUS ONE program, how and what happened, about the "freaks" of Iran. If you really want to know what and how, read it. Analyze. The range of materials is extensive. From ROSATOM materials to Foreign Ministry materials. There is nothing extraordinary about this.

      I have nothing more to do than sort out mountains of material to refute your fabrications.
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      Well, you think so. I did not state this.

      I’m just reading the press and not only the Israeli one like you lol
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      But to read carefully that it was during the period of the "SIX PLUS ONE" program, religion no longer allows you.

      Are you "delusional"? The Bushehr NPP, which we built to Iran, was not refueled with fuel other than Russian.
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      And I won’t back it up. Do not expect. Someone to prove something?

      That is, in other words, continue to make stuffing and invent? lol
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      By the way, can you give a link that he never said this ??? Link to audio and video recording of his speeches or to their transcript

      Should I give a link to what Ahmadinijad never said?
      Are you that old26 is not a Jew by chance?
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      We will assume that I composed this in order to slander Ajmadi and Iran ...

      Well, in principle, I am not surprised at this, and you can expect this.
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      Well, everything is clear with you. Since YOU DID NOT SEE THEM - THERE IS NOT.

      Well, apparently you saw "Armor" in Iran? Then don't hesitate and show us them.
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      I read your posts, most often this is not a description of the technique or your thoughts on this topic, but most often a collision with those who have a different opinion.

      So if you frankly invent it is quite logical that I mind.
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      And indicate less what to do

      So you are an expert here lol build and write on topics in which there is clearly little to understand.
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      Well, then you have a connoisseur

      Well, unlike you, I know something rather than invent it.
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    Old26 4 January 2017 23: 47
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    Fiction again?

    And what for me to invent it? That which was, that was. Because of this, he was banned from traveling abroad for 15 years. What should I come up with? And for 99%, this name says nothing at all.

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    In short, another fantasy from the series - Vasya Pupkin told me that there is life on Mars

    You know, frankly, I don’t understand what you are trying to achieve? You asked who - I gave the name of the person who worked there. Although it’s completely not clear why you needed it

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    I have nothing more to do than sort out mountains of material to refute your fabrications.

    Well, do not read, these are only your problems. For example, I read, and my hands did not fall off. But you need everything to be brought to you on a silver platter.

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    I’m just reading the press and not only the Israeli one like you

    And I read only what interests me. Unfortunately, I can only read in English. so I can’t read the Israeli press.

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    Are you "delusional"? The Bushehr NPP, which we built to Iran, was not refueled with fuel other than Russian.

    Damn, do you even know that the SIX PLUS ONE program was before the construction of the station.

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    That is, in other words, continue to make stuffing and invent?

    Do you think that this is fiction and stuffing? If you think so, then yes, I will. Who cares - they will read, such as you - you can not see my nickname in the subject. I am not writing specifically for you, and not in order to prove something to anyone. Want to stay with your opinion - stay. At least I do not pretend to the truth in the last resort. If I'm interested in a topic, I write in it, and without cheers-patriotism.

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    Should I give a link to what Ahmadinijad never said?
    Are you that old26 is not a Jew by chance?

    No, not a Jew. But what is your proposal to give you a footnote that Ahmadi said this is different from my proposal to give a link that he did not say ?? Requirements of approximately the same order

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    Well, in principle, I am not surprised at this, and you can expect this.

    Keep waiting. True, it will take a long time

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    Well, apparently you saw "Armor" in Iran? Then don't hesitate and show us them.

    I? have not seen. And I don't strive. But the reference materials are there for you to use. I have given you a reference book where it is written. Are you unhappy with this source? Well, these are your problems, not mine. Apparently you only believe what you can feel with your hands or see with your eyes. If you see "Armor" on TV, then they are. If they didn’t see them, they didn’t. So it is with the "Torah", and with the S-300

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    So if you frankly invent it is quite logical that I mind.

    Keep going in the same vein ...

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    ak you are building yourself as an expert lol and write on topics in which you obviously understand very little.

    Oh well, and where am I building myself an expert? in which topics?

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    Well, unlike you, I know something rather than invent it.

    I'm very happy for you. Truth in absentia to judge knowledge of a person whose posts you do not like - talks about knowledge
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      padded jacket 5 January 2017 00: 47
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      And what for me to invent it? That which was, that was. Because of this, he was restricted to travel abroad for 15 years.

      How do I know why you need to invent, maybe you are doing this out of boredom.
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      You know, frankly, I don’t understand what you are trying to achieve?

      I do not achieve anything just the level of your words spoken from the words of a friend who allegedly built the Bushehr nuclear power plant are equal to the words of Vasya Pupkin about life on Mars. That's all.
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      But you need to bring everything to you on a silver platter.

      So far, in addition to nothing unconfirmed information, or rather, stuffing you brought nothing lol
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      Damn, do you even know that the SIX PLUS ONE program was before the construction of the station.

      Well, then please explain to me where does the fuel elements?
      After all, you wrote above:
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      How did the Iranian side board us with TVELS know? I'm afraid not.

      Explain how Iran "sank" us, otherwise you keep saying "secret" in riddles, you are our expert analyst lol .
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      Do you think that this is fiction and stuffing? If you think so, then yes, I will.

      I have no doubt about the other you are hardly capable of.
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      Want to stay with your opinion - stay.

      That is, I can not express my opinion? You do not allow lol
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      If I'm interested in a topic, I write in it, and without cheers-patriotism.

      Yeah, and write - without absolute knowledge of the topic laughing
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      No not a jew

      A very similar lol because it’s simply not possible to give a link to a video or a statement of what simply wasn’t in this case that Ahmadinizhad’s talk about what he called Russia — because he never said that.
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      True, it will take a long time

      Why long? You are already disgraced with the words ascribed to you by Ahmadinijad lol
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      But reference materials exist to use them

      Not all directories and not everything can be trusted, especially if you are trying to portray Old26 as an analyst.
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      If they didn’t see them, they didn’t. So it is with the "Torah", and with the S-300

      The Tor air defense system, as well as the recent S-300 air defense systems, are present at military parades in Iran.
      But the air defense system of the Shell which there, according to your words, is allegedly for some reason no one has ever seen.
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      Oh well, and where am I building myself an expert? in which topics?

      As I saw you in the topic about the DPRK, now it’s here and everywhere it’s extremely dubious information, to say the least.
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      Truth in absentia to judge knowledge of a person whose posts you do not like - talks about knowledge

      Well, if by this person you mean yourself, then I "don't care" about you, I just pointed out to you the fact that you are inventing attributing this statement to Ahmadinijad.
  23. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 January 2017 09: 15
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    There is such a proverb: one stupid person can ask so many questions that a hundred scientists will not answer them ...
  24. topal pasha
    topal pasha 18 January 2017 23: 10
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    Explanatory article and necessary. To the author, a little little lady. :)