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75 years to the Road of life: how Soviet science saved the besieged Leningrad

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22 November 1941 on the ice of Ladoga Lake to Leningrad drove the first trucks with food. Historians have told TASS little-known details of the operation, which saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of citizens


75 years to the Road of life: how Soviet science saved the besieged Leningrad


The name "The Road of Life", which Leningraders gave to the ice road through Lake Ladoga, which began work on November 22 on 1941, is not a poetic image. This was the only way that allowed besieged Leningrad to survive and even help the front, which received the weapons produced in the besieged city.

The road began to operate in those days when food standards in the city were reduced to the tragic 250 g of bread per day for workers and 125 for all the rest, people began to die of hunger by the thousands. Soldiers on the front line received 500 grams of bread. But even to preserve these norms, at least a thousand tons of food was required daily.

To save the city and help the front, it was necessary to do an incredible thing: to create from scratch a whole infrastructure, which had to operate smoothly the whole winter, solving many problems. Such a project seemed difficult even in peacetime. In fact, it was a victory for science, and first of all physics, over Hitler’s tactics, which used hunger as a means of warfare.

"The construction of the ice road through Ladoga is an absolutely grandiose and bold idea even for peacetime, especially considering that Ladoga was not studied enough at 1941 year, including its ice regime. The largest lake in Europe has a very changeable temper in general and has always been considered very difficult in all respects, including for shipping, "notes Sergey Kurnosov, director of the State Memorial Museum of the Defense and Siege of Leningrad.

“The way of life is usually presented to the average man as a road on ice, along which one-and-a-half moths with flour go to Leningrad,” says Kurnosov. “But in reality it’s a huge infrastructure created literally from scratch that allowed supplying Leningrad and Kronstadt during the years of the blockade , and the Oranienbaum bridgehead, and the troops of the Leningrad front, and the Red Banner Baltic Fleet. The Road of Life has many components: this is the "air bridge" with the mainland, and the Ladoga military flotillaprotecting Ladoga communications, and the North-Western river shipping company, which carried out transportation during navigation, when the lake was not covered with ice; this is a telephone and telegraph cable, which provided communication with Moscow, and a high-voltage electric cable, which made it possible to supply electricity to Leningrad from the Volkhov hydroelectric station — these cables passed along the bottom of the Ladoga. This is the pipeline, which also ran along the bottom of Lake Ladoga, supplying the city with fuel. "

Leningrad, as a metropolis, has never been and could not be self-sufficient in terms of food, emphasizes the director of the museum. It was self-sufficient only as a city-front, because it could produce most of the military armaments itself.

When designing the Roads of Life, the experience of the past was taken into account, when ice tracks became a convenient crossing, sometimes more reliable and comfortable than the autumn-spring roads, ice tracks were also used for military purposes. “Was the Road of Life an urgent invention of blocked Leningrad? Yes and no,” said Kurnosov. “On the one hand, it was certainly an urgent invention. On the other hand, the idea of ​​moving on the ice existed long ago. In St. Petersburg, before the revolution movement on the ice of the Neva in winter was a generally accepted phenomenon. These roads completely replaced bridges. "

But all the ice communications that preceded the Road of Life were short-term and were not designed for a huge transport and human flow that ran along the ice of Lake Ladoga in 1941 – 43.

Ice Intelligence

The idea of ​​an ice track has been discussed in Leningrad since September 1941. "24 of September to AA Zhdanov, members of the Military Council of the Leningrad Front were presented materials in the form of maps and text on 34 sheets. Then we reported on the expected nature of freezing and the duration of ice cover preservation. On this day, the draft Ladoga Life Road was born" , - wrote in his memoirs the head of the ice service of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet, Mikhail Kazansky.

He played a big role in organizing the ferry across Ladoga. "Kazan distinguished itself both as an organizer, and as a designer, and later as a pilot - both water and ice. He accompanied the ships during navigation and supervised the maintenance of the ice route. He had the nickname Ice Grandfather, and the" grandfather "was at the time of his work Roads of life were only 25 years ", - said Sergey Kurnosov.

The preliminary ice route between Kobona and Kokokrevo was laid on the basis of materials provided by scientific studies and surveys by fishermen - the old-timers Ladoga.

"12 began to explore the state of the ice along the routes of the planned routes," Mikhail Kazansky recalled. "Each step of the scouts was a step into the unknown. Where the springy ice crust sagged under the feet of the brave and cracked, you had to lie down and crawl."

On the night of November 16, hydrographs harnessed to sleds and with compasses, maps, lines (cables) descended on the bending ice in the area of ​​the Osinovetskaya flotilla base and examined first the route from Osinovets on the western shore of Ladoga to Kobona on the eastern shore.

Almost simultaneously with the sailors, the 30 fighters of the 88 th separate bridge-building battalion conducted reconnaissance of this route. The detachment left Kokorevo with a supply of landmarks, ropes and rescue equipment, accompanied by two experienced fishermen who served as guides.

The commander of one of the groups of this detachment, I. Smirnov, later recalled: "In camouflage weapons, hung with grenades, we had a warlike appearance, but ice pickers, sleds with poles, ropes, and lifebuoys made us look like winter men of the Far North. "The scouts moved one to three to five steps apart and after every 300 – 400 meters they froze in ice landmarks.

On the same day, on the orders of General A. Shilov, an authorized representative of the Military Council of the Front, machines with flour for Leningrad were sent westwards from the separate company to cross the lake. The first detachment of seven lorries (GAZ-AA), each of which carried seven bags of flour, moved north of the Zelentsy Islands on ice no more than 15 cm thick.

The drivers were standing on the steps and in case of danger of the car’s failure, they would jump out under the ice. The detachment drove from Kobona about 20 km, but there was no way further - the ice ended, the polynya began. The machines had to, after unloading flour on the ice, return.
On November 19, a horse-drawn sleigh train from 350 teams went from Kokokrevo. On November 21, he delivered tons of flour to Osinovets 63, but his way was extremely difficult: in some places, the carriers unloaded sacks of flour from sleds onto the ice, carried out empty sledding, transferred the flour on their hands and loaded them into the sledge.

It was obvious that the launch of automobile traffic on the thin November ice was an extremely risky undertaking, but it was not possible to wait.
Order No.00172 "On the organization of an autotractor road through Lake Ladoga" was signed on the evening of November 19 on 1941. Arrangement of the route, the construction of infrastructure had to go along with the launch of the ice road.

What is a trough?

Traffic rules on the Road of Life were developed not at the State Traffic Inspectorate, but at the Leningrad Physical and Technical Institute (Physico-Technical Institute, Institute of Physics and Technology of the USSR Academy of Sciences). The possibilities of Ladoga ice as a pavement were investigated by a group of scientists of the Physics and Technology Department headed by Peter Kobeko. Physicists determined how the ice cover on the lake deformed under the influence of static loads of different size, what fluctuations occurred in it under the influence of the wind and changes in the sweep-surge water levels, calculated the ice wear on the tracks and the conditions of its break.

To automatically record the oscillations of the ice, the scientist of the Physics and Technology Department Naum Reinov invented a special device - a bending device. He could record ice oscillations in a time interval from 0,1 seconds to days. With his help, it was possible to determine the reason why in the first weeks of work the Roads of Life went under the ice about a hundred trucks: the problem was in resonance, which arose when the vehicle speed coincided with the speed of the Ladoga wave under the ice.

The effect was also provided by the wave reflected from the coast and the waves created by the neighboring machines. This happened if the lorry moved at a speed of 35 km / h. Scientists also did not recommend driving cars in columns and warned against overtaking on ice. When moving along parallel routes, the distance between the trucks should have been at least 70 – 80 m. The help of science allowed to reduce losses, and the route was exploited to 24 on April 1942 of the year. The last cars passed around Ladoga with the thickness of ice of all 10, see.

Leningrad meteorologists have compiled a special weather forecast for the winter of 1941 – 42 for Ladoga, constantly updated information on the lake regime, made detailed maps with ice surveys and a forecast of its development for two and ten days. Ice load capacity was determined anew several times a month; hydrological bulletins were predicted every ten days with predictions of ice thickness: it was measured more than 3640 times for the first blockade winter.

From horses to buses

The freight turnover of the Osinovets cape - Zelentsy Island with a fork into Kobona and Lavrovo was determined by 4000 tons per day. The transshipment bases of the road were arranged in Osinovets, Vaganovo, Kobon, Lavrovo and at the station Ladoga Lake. From November 22, pedestrian and horse-drawn traffic was opened along the road, from 25-th - car traffic. From 26 November 1941, the order for the rear of the Leningrad Front, the ice road became known as the Military Highway No. XXUMX (WAD-101).


Food Trucks on the Road of Life

“At first, sled carts were allowed on the ice because he could not stand the cars yet,” says Sergey Kurnosov. “The ice, sufficient for the then road transport to move on, had to be at least 20 – 30 thick. See November November 19 1941 of the year went on a horse-drawn sleigh ride to the eastern shore of Ladoga, which returned to Osinovets 21 in November with flour for Leningrad residents. On the evening of the same day, a specially formed reconnaissance column of ten empty lorries went from Leningrad through Ladoga to 22 in November. the ice in the direction of Kobona came out already 60 machines, which returned, delivering 33 tons of bread to Leningrad.The ice road Life Roads began its work.Each of the one-and-a-half machines was loaded with only five or six sacks of flour - they were afraid that more endure, he bent under the wheels of gravity. "

The ice tracks were only in 12 – 15 km from the German positions, therefore the threat of airstrike or shelling constantly existed. Shells, bombs left openings, which were literally immediately frozen with ice in such a frost, the snow masked them, and sometimes it was absolutely impossible to detect them. The failed cars tried to pull out, but it was not always possible. Not only cars were saved, but also cargo: they were brought to Leningrad breweries, dried there and then used for baking bread.

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The approaches to the Road of Life from the Kobona side were defended by the 1st NKVD Infantry Division, which defended Shlisselburg until September 8, from the Osinovets side - the 20th NKVD Division, which in October 1941 fought on the Nevsky Piglet. “The forces of sailors were brought up here, some of the artillery sailors were transferred to land units to service the artillery and anti-aircraft batteries that were installed along the route,” says Rostislav Lyubvin. “The huge forces of sappers constantly mined approaches from Shlisselburg.” She covered the road of life aviation Lenfront. From December 1941 to March 1942, pilots made more than 6000 sorties.

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  1. Cat
    Cat 27 November 2016 05: 34
    +12
    Thank you for the article!
    Rarely, topics raised on VO have an unambiguous relation to her readers, but "The Road of Life" is one of them. An unparalleled feat of people in the name of victory!
    A deep bow to the people who lived, worked, fought during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945! You are an example and a lesson for us.
  2. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 27 November 2016 05: 41
    +4
    If it were not for the Road of Life, Leningrad would hardly have defended.
  3. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 27 November 2016 06: 03
    +8
    Here is how the poet of Leningrad Anatoly Molchanov wrote:

    And somewhere in Ladoga, in a white expanse
    Ice and ice explode from bombs and frost
    And the motors howl and the moans
    And the cars loaded with bread
    In a blizzard and shelling, without sleep and rest,
    For the life and struggle of Leningrad is responsible.
    And there was such a movement on the track,
    As in peacetime on Nevsky Prospect.

    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 27 November 2016 15: 30
      +2
      I saw the photo more than once. Just now I thought: But what about them ... with the headlights on, you can see far away on the lake ... an ideal target for both aviation and artillery. Why without blackout ???
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 27 November 2016 16: 25
        0
        Why without blackout?

        What for? The Finns did not shoot at them. And the Germans did not have so many planes constantly hanging over the road.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 10 December 2016 09: 30
          +1
          Quote: Hupfri
          Why without blackout?

          What for? The Finns did not shoot at them. And the Germans did not have so many planes constantly hanging over the road.

          ??? The Finns were immature.
          There was a blackout - special visors were made on the headlights.
          But these were calming measures.
          The main thing - the road was guarded by the last drop of blood.
          There was a line of reference points on the ice, advanced patrols lay in the snow, ...
          German skiers tried to attack repeatedly ...

          Here it is appropriate to recall the generally not bad film "Leningrad".
          But historically containing a lot of outright nonsense.
          In particular. there, the forebear could reach the Germans in one and a half truck. and then come back ...
          And this is across the front line ...
          Apparently modern "scriptwriters" do not fit into the head that for the sake of the Motherland one can not only arrange carnivals, but also really live and really fight in an icy environment.
  4. EvgNik
    EvgNik 27 November 2016 06: 30
    +8
    At school we were told about the "Road of Life" and it runs like a red thread throughout. a life.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2016 08: 16
    +5
    Really "The Road of Life", how many lives it saved ... A deep bow to everyone who created, provided, defended ...
  6. midshipman
    midshipman 27 November 2016 08: 27
    +20
    The Road of Life began working in September 1941. Then the ships of the SZRP were armed with machine guns, the sailors stood behind them and fought off the Nazi aviation. Some of these steamers (small) with red crosses honored children. After all, the blockade of Leningrad began on September 8, 1941. The Nazis shot these ships. Our pilots gave themselves a vow not to leave a single fascist pilot alive from downed German and Finnish aircraft. They shot them in the air when they descended on parachutes. PS Kutakhov (our future Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force) told me about this. He fought on the Leningrad front. Tikhvin was freed from the Nazis on December 8, 1941. Working on the Road of Life has become a little easier. A hose was also laid along the bottom of Lake Ladoga, along which gasoline for tanks in Leningrad went. Our neighbor Parfenova A.V. Siberia was evacuated with her son to us. My mother and I left there at the end of August (my father evacuated us). She arrived, and her son died. Now evaluate the St. Petersburgers the role of Mannerheim in creating the blockade of Leningrad. Finnish troops captured the Kirov railway along the western shore of Lake Ladoga. If this did not happen, the blockade would not have happened. Finnish troops reached the right bank of the Svir River, cutting off Leningrad from food supplies. And the Minister of Culture of Russia tried to put up a memorial plaque for him. The river workers of the NWSC made a great contribution to the work of the Road of Life, so it is worth erecting a monument to them. Eternal glory to the defenders of Leningrad. I published an article on this topic in "VO" "Crisis month in the defense of the city." I have the honor. ...
    1. Hapfri
      Hapfri 27 November 2016 14: 54
      0
      Finnish troops reached the right bank of the Svir River, cut off Leningrad from food supplies. And to him, the Minister of Culture of Russia tried to put a memorial plaque.

      Cutting off? Where does such knowledge come from? So, what is next? Has the road stopped functioning? Not. Here it is. That's for this and thanks to Mannerheim from the Supreme. The name of the marshal was personally deleted from the lists of war criminals. Mannerheim was not only not held accountable, but remained in power, respected by the end of his life.
      1. murriou
        murriou 27 November 2016 21: 18
        +2
        Quote: Hupfri
        for this and thanks to Mannerheim from the Supreme.

        We are waiting for a link to the document announcing this gratitude. lol

        Quote: Hupfri
        The name of the marshal was personally deleted from the lists of war criminals.

        ... for surrendering Finland in 1944 and turning it against Hitler. Then it was more important than a well-deserved execution.
        1. Hapfri
          Hapfri 27 November 2016 23: 04
          0
          ... for surrendering Finland in 1944 and turning it against Hitler.

          Was the Finnish army of one hundred thousand, almost without tank tanks, a serious obstacle for the veterans of Stalingrad and Kursk? In the 44th, our troops stitched the Mannerheim line like a butter knife. Mannerheim was allowed to turn weapons against Hitler. None of the German satellites have received such an honor. Antonescu and Mussolini were executed in a similar situation. The loss of manpower and equipment of the Soviet command never stopped. Even in April of the 45th they made their way through the Zeelovskie heights, suffering unjustified losses when everything was already decided. Give a reference about the loss?
      2. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 10 December 2016 10: 06
        +1
        Quote: Hupfri
        ... Mannerheim was not only not held accountable, but also remained in power, respected by a person for the rest of his life.

        ??
        Who is respected?
        Do not confuse political actions with a moral assessment.
        In terms of morality, manneigram is a fiend of hell, however, like most Nikolaev generals, who, by the results of their worthless lives, betrayed everyone and everything.
        They betrayed the monarchy - did not resist abdication, then betrayed their class - without defending at least the bourgeois republic., And without even trying to organize it, betrayed common sense - without defending the foundations of their way of life, betrayed their epaulettes - without defeating and not dying "for the faith , the Tsar and the Fatherland, "betrayed that same Fatherland - for the sake of saving their skins, having scattered around the world, many of them betrayed their families and the families of their comrades - it is not fashionable to remember Tolstoy's novel" Emigrants ", I will point out the world-famous American Miller - he figuratively wrote about the whores countesses.

        It is not fashionable to talk about the moral character of the Russian nobility.
        But if the nobility had moral principles, conscience and honor and intelligence .... there would be no populists, no "Black redistribution", no revolutions.

        Read the true Russoils of Leskov, for example, all the beginnings of the collapse of the monarchy are immediately understood.

        And now, corruption, nepotism and the stupidity of managers (the creative class, the elite of society - the language does not dare to call them that) clearly lead the country to the abyss.
        One, albeit very strong, manager for Russia is very small.
        Yes, and EBN still not reclassified as criminals.
  7. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 November 2016 09: 34
    +9
    This topic of the Road of Life is always near, since I live in Leningrad. I heard the stories of an elderly woman about how they took them out. Of all the buses of that day, only 1 reached the mainland.
    There is such a poem --- The Ballad about Infernal Piece. Just to tears! And there was the expression "seven-year old man."
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 27 November 2016 10: 56
      +4
      Greetings, Dmitry. Yes, the Road of Life. Two words, followed by human destinies, saved lives. My mother survived thanks to her. The stories are really hard to listen to, so the attitude towards mannerheim is unambiguous - an accomplice of the Nazis.
      A low bow, honor and praise to the People who built, provided and defended this road.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 27 November 2016 19: 43
        +3
        Hello, Elena! Glad your mother was alive, that she overcame the difficulties.
        I remember all that woman. She wrote poetry about it, but she couldn't read it. She cried. I think I should have talked to her, then ... Several times I took part in the "Blockade Readings."
  8. igordok
    igordok 27 November 2016 10: 29
    +3
    29 March 1942 year in Leningrad arrived from the Pskov and Novgorod regions partisan convoy with food for residents of the city. The event was of great inspirational importance and demonstrated the enemy’s inability to control the rear of their troops, and the possibility of releasing the city by the regular Red Army, once the partisans managed to do this.

    This train was also delivered to Leningrad along the "Road of Life". Through the Pskov and Novgorod swamps, through the front, but the partisans delivered bread to Leningrad. And then many of them returned to their units.
    After the legendary first campaign, residents of the Novgorod and Pskov regions continued to collect food in the starving Leningrad. They managed to equip another 110 supply.
    Already in September 1942, the "partisan region" ceased to exist. The Nazis simply wiped out the countryside and the people who lived there. Almost all the heroes who participated in the transfer of the food convoy to Leningrad died.

  9. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 27 November 2016 10: 29
    +6
    It would be nice to arrange a fierce exterminatus for this !!! How do I want these geyropeyskie creatures ever provoked us to the most harsh answer. In this war, one of my great-grandfather died, and the second became disabled. I will never forgive this Geyropeiskaya trash. Thermonuclear weapons give us an excellent opportunity to take revenge on our enemies by decomposing them into atoms.
    1. Hapfri
      Hapfri 27 November 2016 11: 55
      0
      Thermonuclear weapons give us an excellent opportunity to take revenge on our enemies by decomposing them into atoms.

      Well, they will give us, it will not seem a little. You will live in a nuclear garbage dump
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 27 November 2016 12: 05
        +1
        Americans will never fit in for them, there are NO idiots in their elite. Or do you think that the United States will sacrifice New York, Chigako, Los Angeles, Philadelphia because of the destruction of Berlin, Hamburg and Frankfurt? We do not risk anything AT ALL, it would be a war with zero losses on our part and millions with them.
        1. Hapfri
          Hapfri 27 November 2016 14: 58
          +1
          We do not risk anything,

          Well this is too bold a conclusion. In the 39th, Hitler also believed that Poland’s business would end.
          1. mr.redpartizan
            mr.redpartizan 27 November 2016 17: 14
            +5
            So he and so all Europe bent, except Britain. If it were not for the war with the USSR, then the Europeans would have been freed until now.
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 27 November 2016 23: 10
              +1
              if it were not for the war with the USSR, then the Europeans would have been freed until now.

              We just had no choice. If we had not finished off Hitler, Germany would have carried out a rearmament, having reached a higher technological level. We freed the Europeans along the way, for the company. The liberation of Europe was not the goal. The main thing was to finish Hitler
  10. Caretaker
    Caretaker 27 November 2016 10: 56
    +3
    Memorial in memory of the defense of the city in 1941-1944. "Green Belt of Leningrad Glory" - 'Broken Ring ".
    Two reinforced concrete arches (weight 32 tons, height 7 meters) symbolize the blockade ring, the gap between them - the Road of Life. On the site under the arches in concrete - traces of the tread of cars. Near the memorial there are two reinforced concrete balls imitating floodlights and an anti-aircraft gun of caliber 85 mm (52-K).
    It was erected in 1966.
    http://lenww2.ru/index.php/region01/area04?id=245




  11. Caretaker
    Caretaker 27 November 2016 11: 01
    +2
    Branch "Road of Life" of the Central Naval Museum
    http://lenww2.ru/index.php/region01/area04?id=318


  12. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 27 November 2016 11: 42
    +6
    The article is good. For the authors, the remark: "the turret was removed from the tank, thus reducing the area of ​​pressure on the ice" - clearly written by a humanist. The area remains the same, it is determined by the size of the tracks. But the pressure on the ice decreases, since the tower has already been removed.
  13. Hapfri
    Hapfri 27 November 2016 12: 06
    0
    It is interesting why 10 roads and 1000 cars could not be laid across the lake.
    Why in this endless field it was impossible to withdraw the inhabitants leaving only soldiers. Where the truck passed, a person will pass. What is the meaning of starvation death. On the day of the journey, the pedestrian may well go to the mainland, what’s the cunning plan.? Did the residents just spit?
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 27 November 2016 12: 54
      +11
      Quote: Hupfri
      It is interesting why 10 roads and 1000 cars could not be laid across the lake.
      Why in this endless field it was impossible to withdraw the inhabitants leaving only soldiers. Where the truck passed, a person will pass. What is the meaning of starvation death. On the day of the journey, the pedestrian may well go to the mainland, what’s the cunning plan.? Did the residents just spit?


      It’s not immediately on these Internet sites that you’ll understand who is kidding and who is the real one.

      You seem real.
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 27 November 2016 15: 02
        0
        You seem real

        I communicate with donkeys like you, that's why such an impression. Do you have a tattoo "Glory KPSS" between the boobs itching?
    2. murriou
      murriou 27 November 2016 21: 26
      +5
      Quote: Hupfri
      Did the residents just spit?

      Hello, Latynina. Log in, Julia Leonidovna! laughing

      It is not a secret for everyone else that the evacuation of Leningrad residents was carried out before the blockade with the maximum use of all opportunities, and during the blockade too.

      And Hapfrey strongly recommend that you go through several in the winter yourself. tens of kilometers in snow and ice, on an empty stomach, after prolonged non-therapeutic fasting, without a supply of food, without enough suitable clothes and shoes, under the constant danger of air raids.

      After such an attempt, there is a very high hope that one illiterate racket in this world and this forum will become less. lol
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 27 November 2016 23: 39
        0
        Hello Latynina

        Hello Trotsky
        It’s not a secret for everyone else that the evacuation of the inhabitants of Leningrad was carried out before the blockade with the maximum use of all opportunities,
        Doubtful thesis. There were a large number of refugees from the Baltic States in Leningrad. Why were they kept there? Why weren't they sent to the East? Why weren't the factories evacuated? And therefore. Because they had no idea about the real state of affairs. How can you then talk about "using all the possibilities"
        And Hapfrey strongly recommend that you go through several in the winter yourself. tens of kilometers on snow and ice, on an empty stomach, after prolonged non-therapeutic fasting

        I went and more than once. Is quite real. And walked on the ice. And the fire from one match lit. The winter of the 41st was early and harsh. It was possible to leave. Why without clothes and shoes. Under communists, did people even have no boots? And a batting coat?
        German spies went there perfectly and in all directions. And here is the question of life and death.
        After such an attempt, hope is very high,

        I don’t know what your hope is there, but I travel 10 km daily. 20 km is also real, but of course tired, but if necessary, it is possible. For the infantry unit, 40 km per day is the norm. So do not write nonsense.
        So they didn’t let out of the city. Organize the supply, too, could not. The road is not through gorges and tunnels. A winter road. Pave there at least 10 tracks and carry food day and night. The convoy with bread passed through the front and through the lake without any problems. The bosses were crooked. Or there was nothing to carry. Since Voroshilov ordered everything. And Zhdanov. It’s good to have fools and stupid assistants during the years of victories and triumphs, and not when you need to work.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 28 November 2016 01: 37
          +3
          Hapfrey, you think like a puberty mentally ill teenager.
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          In April 1943, the Leningrad City Evacuation Commission summed up its activities: from June 29, 1941 to April 1, 1943, 1 people were evacuated from Leningrad, including 743 Leningrad residents, 129 residents of the region, 1 residents of the Baltic republics.

          A unified evacuation plan, in fact, did not exist and it was carried out on the basis of a specific, rapidly changing situation at the front. Therefore, the evacuation was carried out in several stages according to the target directives from Moscow. The first of them followed already on June 27, 1941 and ordered to evacuate equipment and personnel of 7 aviation plants to the Urals and Siberia. On July 11, 1941, the State Defense Committee adopted a resolution on the evacuation of 80 plants and 13 design bureaus from Leningrad. After a month and a half on August 26, 1941, the GKO delegates all the powers to evacuate a special commission consisting of: V.M. Molotov, G.M. Malenkov, N.G. Kuznetsov, A.N. Kosygin, P.F. Zhigarev, N.N. Voronov.

          On the day when the last branch of the railway was cut - August 29, 1941 - the commission only approved a plan for the evacuation of some of the most important enterprises from Leningrad for 10 days. It is clear that in the context of the embargo, it was fraught with great difficulties. A relatively small part of the equipment and personnel of 86 enterprises and organizations of the city was taken to the rear, 2 thousand 177 cars of dismantled equipment remained in the blocked city. In the future, some of the equipment and specialists were transported by air and along the "road of life".
          From July 1941 to October 1943, 92 largest enterprises of various industries were evacuated from Leningrad, the capacity of the Leningrad industry decreased by 70% compared with the pre-war level.
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          1. midshipman
            midshipman 28 November 2016 17: 39
            +2
            Dear Parsec, add to this pest of our country that even paintings from the Hermitage were evacuated (though not much). The evacuation plan was controlled by the Red Cross. I have kept an extract from the protocol, which confirms that my mother and I were evacuated on August 25, 1941. there is a train number and a carriage number. I do not want to be rude about this guy, but his callsign, I would say "drove", remember. I have the honor.
          2. Hapfri
            Hapfri 28 November 2016 18: 22
            0
            Hapfrey, you think like a puberty mentally ill teenager.

            I'm shy to ask, do you work in a fool? A big craziness specialist? Usually such doctors themselves are not much. For example, you are not able to understand what is at stake. Do you have dementia?
            From July 1941 to October 1943, 92 largest enterprises were evacuated from Leningrad

            I say so. People didn't care. Scrap was taken out. You write yourself. Or do you not realize the meaning of what is written?
            After a month and a half on August 26, 1941, the GKO delegates all the powers to evacuate a special commission consisting of: Molotov, G.M. Malenkov, N.G. Kuznetsov, A.N. Kosygin, P.F. Zhigarev, N.N. Voronov.

            Is this a list of guilty partocrats? I wrote above that they were incapable of anything. They are more at rallies dedicated to anniversaries to tear apart much. It turned out to be more than a month to evacuate. You wrote it yourself. The population was not evacuated. Resulting in a million starvation
            ....- the commission only approved a plan for the evacuation of some of the most important enterprises from Leningrad for 10 days.
            The plans to write and the commission to create these guys were great masters. You yourself write that the plan has been approved by the code of departure already cut. These guys just to write pieces of paper for reporting.
            I asked a very specific question. Why people were not released into the field and were not allowed to leave the city. Why, having a field, didn’t put 10 roads along the field and didn’t let 1000 cars go. With bread.
            You posted to me from the "history of the KPSS" the number of factories and wagons taken out and not taken out. But that's not what I was interested in.
            The answers are painfully unpleasant for the Communists.
            1. murriou
              murriou 29 November 2016 00: 03
              +2
              Quote: Hupfri
              Why people were not released into the field and were not allowed to leave the city.

              If you had done so - * talented individuals * like Latynina and you would squeal in hysteria that people had been kicked out of the city into the snowy fields for certain death. laughing
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 30 November 2016 07: 24
                0
                If they had done so - * talented individuals * like Latynina

                I don’t know who Latynina is and where she lives, and how sideways she is to this topic, you remember her every minute, you see she pinched her tail. But with the evacuation, you and Zdanova and Mehlis screwed up very seriously. That is, they did little and until the last minute did not itch at all. In the baths with PAP, they were taking a steam bath and the reports were sent upstairs, saying that everything was in order, they had meetings, they spoke in tongues. Adopted a resolution. Branded. Made in print. They sent a militia somewhere west. Things are good.

                The progress of the Germans was judged by the work of observation posts for enemy aircraft. The stall does not answer, so the Germans are there.
                You should already start to develop somehow, read something to start, and not spend time with Latynina
                1. murriou
                  murriou 30 November 2016 09: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Hupfri
                  I don’t know who Latynina is and where she lives, and how sideways she is to this topic.

                  Latynina are among the first classics in the genre in which you have subscribed today. Well, except that the perestroika "light" could have been earlier, and then she was just there, it seems, she managed to check in, but still under a pseudonym.
                  She is also a regular contributor to Echo of Matza and many other similar resources.

                  Many immortal pearls belong to her, for example, "the arrow of an oscilloscope", "cast in granite", "the burning of Galileo", and "I am not a rocket scientist, I am a philologist" (as an introduction to her long cart that the Chelyabinsk meteorite is actually unsuccessful rocket launch). Russophobic and ardent anti-Soviet.
                  In general, a well-deserved and rare reptile.

                  You need to know, Hapfrey, whose pale imitation you work here and whose enemies you repeat hard laughing

                  Quote: Hupfri
                  In the baths with PAP soared

                  You forgot to tell how the diabetic Zhdanov ate cakes and drank vodka laughing

                  Quote: Hupfri
                  screwed up very seriously.

                  Forgot to ask advice from Hapfrey, who has no idea about the state of railway traffic in 1941 lol

                  Quote: Hupfri
                  until the last minute itched at all.

                  You, a deceitful creature, already for the 4th time at least "do not notice" the information that in reality, and not in your wild fantasies, the evacuation measures from Leningrad were started on June 29, 1941.

                  You also "do not notice" the fact that people are reluctant to abandon their homes for the sake of resettlement, and in Leningrad people were no exception - even the first months of the blockade, many refused the opportunity to evacuate.

                  But now you itch, like itch, inventing fables.
            2. murriou
              murriou 29 November 2016 08: 58
              +2
              Quote: Hupfri
              I say so. People didn't care.

              You're lying brazenly, as usual.
              You diligently "did not notice" that the answer told you FIRST about people.
              For * especially talented * and the most shameless I repeat again:
              Quote: Parsec
              In April 1943, the Leningrad City Evacuation Commission summed up its activities: from June 29, 1941 to April 1, 1943, 1 people were evacuated from Leningrad, including 743 Leningrad residents, 129 residents of the region, 1 residents of the Baltic republics.

              More questions?

              Quote: Hupfri
              Scrap was taken out.

              This is for you everything that does not directly serve your consumerism.
              And then for the country it was a defense enterprise.
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 29 November 2016 16: 40
                0
                More questions?

                Why in the 43rd? Why not in the 41st. When the Germans took Pskov. I asked questions, but did not receive an answer. So I will answer myself. So that the sailor soldiers do not run. Therefore, Stalingrad was not evacuated. The people under the bombs died immeasurably
                This is for you everything that does not directly serve your consumerism.

                Rude boy. They ruined your ideological brethren of the people immeasurably. Only now there are no problems with the plants. Razz - and the spaceport, razz - the bridge to the Crimea. With this case is now simple. This is enough. There are problems with another now. With people. With Russian people. Russian is most lacking in Russia. Russian people whom you ruined. And your system could not work differently. She was so created. A million over there, a million over here.
                You diligently "did not notice"

                You didn’t answer why you didn’t do several Roads, and why the supply was not established. . And because the bosses were crooked. There is such a field - you can pave 100 roads. Without any blockade, they could not establish anything. The army in the 41st was constantly on a starvation diet, no shells, no food.
        2. murriou
          murriou 28 November 2016 05: 50
          +2
          Quote: Hupfri
          I went and more than once. Is quite real. And walked on the ice. And the fire from one match lit.

          Well, let's believe.
          Now put in this place not a seasoned tourist and unprepared German saboteurs, but old women and children, for whom liberal anti-Soviet activists like the same Latynina allegedly are most worried.

          Quote: Hupfri
          Why were they kept there?

          Who held something? But people didn’t want to go on foot, and transporting several million at once in a matter of days is an unrealistic task. It is only for couch strategists now everything is simple.

          Moreover: before the blockade and even in its first months, people still did not want to leave! Even when they were offered the opportunity to evacuate!
          They did not believe that this was a long time, that there would be food problems, and so on. People believed in the power of the Soviet regime, no matter how the anti-Soviet contorted from recognizing this simple truth. And the Soviet government did everything possible to justify this trust.

          Quote: Hupfri
          Why without clothes and shoes.

          For the most, ahem, alternatively gifted - spell: because some people were evacuated from the Baltic States in a hurry in the summer and what they were, and even the indigenous Leningrad residents did not all keep a full set of tourist extreme equipment at home.
          How do you understand the reception?

          By the way, you traditionally distort my words and try to mow under the fool. I did not speak about the absence of clothes / shoes at all, but about the lack of ADEQUATE for a long winter trekking on a route that was not too suitable for this.
          How do you understand the reception?

          Quote: Hupfri
          The bosses were crooked.

          When I start to ask such "smart guys" questions, and how would you act in that place in a real situation - you either dodge the answer altogether, or carry such nonsense that you would not broadcast about someone else's curvature and unreasonableness laughing
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 28 November 2016 19: 11
            +1
            And now put in the same place not a seasoned tourist and not trained German saboteurs

            A tourist has a hike for entertainment, a saboteur has a task, and for a blockade, the price of a hike is life. Own and loved ones. Got b
            Who held something? But people didn’t want to go on foot, and transporting several million at once in a matter of days is an unrealistic task.

            To leave the city you had to have permission. Pass These passes were not given. As the Jews did not give them in Kiev and we now know this as Babi Yar. The commissars were afraid that they would accuse of alarmism. Price - millions of lives of civilians
            In the 41st October 16 in Moscow, people just walked along the road, and there was no need to take anyone out. We went on foot ourselves. If only away from the enemy and the "native" VKPB
          2. Hapfri
            Hapfri 28 November 2016 19: 20
            0
            People believed in the power of the Soviet government, no matter how the anti-Soviet contours from the recognition of this simple truth

            And the German bombers illuminated targets in the night sky with green missiles.
            A million Soviet people fought on the side of the Germans
            And the Soviet government did everything possible to justify this trust.

            Well, for example, carried out confiscation monetary reform of the 46th year. One to ten
            Leningraders did not all keep a complete set of tourist extreme equipment at home.

            Yes, I know that the people under the Bolsheviks were poor, there were no woolen and fur things, this is not news. But in some ways they walked along the snowy streets of St. Petersburg. Everyone had felt boots and quilted jackets with earflaps. Valenoks and quilted jackets
            quite suitable clothes. Our soldiers fought the whole war in them, not like hiking
            1. murriou
              murriou 29 November 2016 00: 07
              +1
              Quote: Hupfri
              million Soviet people fought on the side of the Germans

              You are illiterate, or knowingly, but in any case you're lying, confusing the number of so-called Khivi with the number of combat units ROA and SS.

              Quote: Hupfri
              in something they walked along the snowy streets of St. Petersburg

              Are you fooling around, or do you really not understand the difference between urban and hiking shoes and clothing?
              Do you understand what it is like to walk in a snowy field, for example, in a city long beautiful coat, long skirt and high-heeled boots?
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 29 November 2016 22: 31
                0
                the so-called Khivi with the number of combat units ROA and SS.

                Look, buy yourself a calculator. Now on a piece of paper write "Soviet citizens" on top. Emphasize. And immediately below the line write UNA UNSO UPA 250. Balts 000. Belarusians 150. Russian policemen 000 battalions 50, Vlasov 000rd div, air unit, officer school, center, headquarters. - 80. This is without the Cossacks. And without nats eastern legions. + 40th building! SS. Let's throw another 000 on them. Plus the saboteurs of the Abwehr - the release of the schools of Saturn, Merkur, 3-50 a year., Brandenburg. I haven't even counted hivi yet. Did you think you are our literate? Or teach to add in a column? And besides the Khivi, there were voluntarily forcibly driven off workers, numbering up to 000 million. Of course, they did not fight, but the German front-line soldiers were replaced at the machines. In particular at Junkers factories. We made planes. Are there any complaints about the quality of German aircraft? No complaints. Made to last.
                You understand what it is like to go in a snowy field, for example, in a city long beautiful coat

                I lived under socialism. And unlike you, I remember everything perfectly. Not everyone had shoes and coats with evening dresses. But quilted jackets and boots, old overcoats, terrible rough boots, bots, downy shawls were in every family. Can you imagine a German sample of Stalingrad? In an Indian sweater and a woolen shawl? Where did he get this, brought with him from Germany? No, he took the junk from the locals. So you can fight 2 months in this form. And 5-6 and even 10 hours on the ice you can’t go? You have some strange logic.
          3. Hapfri
            Hapfri 28 November 2016 20: 16
            0
            acted in a real situation - you either completely evade the answer

            No, I’m not evading. Export civilians by trains from St. Petersburg, Kharkov, Stalingrad, evacuate the Stalingrad and Kharkov tractor tractors to Siberia, surrender Kiev, without waiting for the boiler, break the distance with the Germans and gain a foothold on the banks of the rivers. Beat prepared armored fists, and not sending troops into battle battalion. ....
            Let’s ask, I’ll answer everything
            but about the lack of ADEQUATE for a long winter pedestrian crossing on a route not too adapted for this.

            A padded jacket, earflaps and felt boots are the most adequate clothing and was for everyone
            1. murriou
              murriou 29 November 2016 00: 10
              +1
              Quote: Hupfri
              Export civilians by trains from St. Petersburg, Kharkov, Stalingrad, evacuate the Stalingrad and Kharkov tractor to Siberia,

              Oh, another smart theoretician drew himself.
              I am waiting for you to calculate the number of locomotives and rolling stock necessary for these tasks, and to fit these traffic into the existing railway schedule.
              laughing

              Quote: Hupfri
              Let’s ask, I’ll answer everything

              So far, your "answers" are empty nonsense, devoid of specifics and without taking into account real conditions.
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 29 November 2016 07: 49
                +1
                So far, your "answers" are bullshit

                You have nothing to answer.
                Waiting for you to calculate the necessary

                Colleague Shpakovsky tried especially for you in the article
                "Dissertation ..."
                How could you not evacuate the Stalingrad plant? Kharkov?
                The inhabitants of Stalingrad only had to GIVE PERMISSION to leave the Volga. What are the locomotives. The same story with Leningrad. In order not to leave 100 km, locomotives are not needed
                1. murriou
                  murriou 29 November 2016 08: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Hupfri
                  The inhabitants of Stalingrad only had to GIVE PERMISSION to leave the Volga.

                  Permission for what?
                  If a person was an employee of a defense enterprise, it is clear that he was obliged to work at this enterprise. With this, even you are unlikely to argue.

                  And nobody forbade anything else. What, there were detachments with machine guns around each city and checked all exit permission? There was nothing like it and close. So rubbish is grinding.
                  1. Hapfri
                    Hapfri 29 November 2016 22: 48
                    +1
                    And nobody forbade anything else. What, there were detachments with machine guns around each city and checked all exit permission?

                    Exactly. Exactly. What do you think? In addition, everyone worked, and for absenteeism, even for being late - a period. Those who were late for work got involved in a fight, broke glass and received 15 days, not 5 years. No weekends and holidays. The nearest day off was on May 9th. It was often possible to get into the car only on the list with a purple print. Without printing, no one will sell you a ticket. Is this the first time you hear about this? It was necessary to have an order for any movement. If your factory is being evacuated to Magadan, then you are going to Magadan. , And not to Ashgabat or Ferghana. There is no order for evacuation - everything, sit, sniff into a tube. You are confusing the times of Brezhnev and the times of Stalin.
                2. murriou
                  murriou 29 November 2016 08: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Hupfri
                  You have nothing to answer.

                  There were answers, but you, as always, diligently "did not notice" them.

                  Your wise plans for the evacuation of the population and enterprises, with the calculation of the need for locomotives and rolling stock, with a schedule of the necessary events for this, are still waiting, sir.

                  And without such calculations, all your stupidities are not worth a penny.
                  1. Hapfri
                    Hapfri 29 November 2016 23: 13
                    +1
                    And without such calculations, all your stupidities are not worth a penny.

                    This is your nonsense. There are 20 wagons in a train, 100 people in a wagon, 10 trains a day for a month we export more than half a million just trains. These are skilled workers to Siberia to new plants.
                    The population can easily leave on foot. May Day, your favorite demonstration saw. On a six-lane highway with a length of one kilometer, it fits 100, at a speed of 000 km / h, they travel 5 km per day. At 50 km fit a million. We have a narrower track, which means the people will fit 10 times less. But we don’t have to leave everybody in 3 day.
                    And it could be done. And defend an empty city, supplying only a soldier. But they didn’t. Because the Communists were afraid that they would be put to the wall for the collapse, and the victorious relay sent upstairs saying that everything was fine, a beautiful marquise. And only when the environment became a fact, it was only then that they began to think on this topic. Because they begin to talk about it earlier - immediately an alarmist and a defeatist. A coward - and to the wall of you. Cheaper Voroshilov and Zhdanov to miss the situation by substituting millions, but then reassuringly reporting, and then, well, what are we, we are nothing, the German is rushing. ... They saved their skin, and did not think about people.
                    "How did you get such an idea, to surrender Kiev," Stalin said to Zhukov. A million was surrounded near Kiev. The boiler lasted for a whole week.
                    And a month before, they had whispered the counter of Pavlov and Co., Smushkevich, Rychagov there. What an evacuation there! There was no time to climb with stupid initiatives.
                    1. murriou
                      murriou 30 November 2016 02: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Hupfri
                      The train has 20 wagons

                      0. You obviously did not even try to think - though, what am I talking about? lol - that the situation on the railways in 1941 was not the same as it is now.

                      1. If 100 people are crammed into a standard carriage, compassionate people like Latynina will immediately scream about the inhuman conditions in which the Soviet government drove the Soviet people, and at the same time that the terrible Soviet government did not allow enough people to evacuate lol

                      2. Actually, the normal capacity of the most standard biaxial car of the sample of the 30s is about 40 people, you can ram up to 60 and above, of course, but with a complete loss of comfort.

                      3. The weight of an empty wagon is about 40 tons, people with the usual supply of belongings plus the load of life support - water, coal, food - bring the weight to at least 45 tons.

                      20 cars, about which you broadcast based on modern realities, are at least 900 tons, with a steam locomotive - per 1000 tons.
                      In the time under discussion, such heavy trains were not the norm, but a rarity, they required special locomotives, and the most massive "sheep" could pull about half as much.
                      Quote: Hupfri
                      10 trains per day

                      And here you lie. The railway capacity is not unlimited, the number of free wagons and locomotives is also not unlimited, and there is already an increased load on railway during the war due to priority military needs and the needs of the defense industry.

                      Quote: Hupfri
                      in a month we export more than half a million just railway

                      It is in your illiterate fantasies, in which on each point you overestimated real opportunities every two times, about an order of magnitude in the end.
                      That's the whole price for your "calculations". laughing

                      The more realistic figure is 5 * 10 * 50 = 2,5 thousand per day, up to 70-80 thousand per month, about a million per year - and this is not taking into account the intensive bombing and storming of the railways by your favorite Nazis.

                      Quote: Hupfri
                      at a speed of 5 km / h, they travel 50 km per day.

                      And again, you diligently "forget" that you are not talking about soldiers, for whom 50 km per day is one and a half times higher than the norm for walking.

                      And about the old people and old women, about women and children, whom your hypocritical lamentations allegedly regret most of all.
                      1. Hapfri
                        Hapfri 30 November 2016 08: 35
                        0
                        In the time under discussion, such heavy compositions were not the norm, but a rarity,

                        You asked for a calculation, I brought it to you. There is an error in any calculation but the order of numbers is this. 20 cars is a normal length. See the chronicle of trains carrying tanks. Weight 34 matches 26 tons. Tiger over 50. And they drove normally. Two locomotives clung and rode. It turns out you don’t understand it, the victim of Uchpedgiz
                        And here you lie. Railway capacity is not unlimited, the number of free cars and locomotives is also not unlimited,

                        Do you need to chew everything? Troops evacuated to the rear are evacuated by the same trains to the front. Or do you think trains in Siberia disappear? Ask questions, I’ll chew you all. You are too lazy to open a book. You study Latynin from morning to night
                        When the land lease was being taken, the driver of the previous train saw the tail of the previous one. On a track of tens of thousands of kilometers. This is about the capacity and number of trains.
                        your favorites are fascists.

                        Nonsense. I did not say a word about the Nazis. It was you, the Communists, who signed the treaties with them and supplied them with everything you need, until the last second, then they reached Moscow with our oil, and the bombs from our ore were cast. . You sold it all to them.
                        A more realistic figure is 5 * 10 * 50 = 2,5 thousand per day, up to 70-80 thousand per month, about a million per year

                        Go to the .... library.
                        For 3 months, 25 million people were exported to Siberia and the Urals. Minimum. 25 million. Mostly by rail. And you have a miserable million a year! You would have evacuated for 25 years and completed the evacuation under Brezhnev. It’s funny. So your calculations are not worth poking on the clave with which you tapped them. So in Ukraine they were able to withdraw. Neither the Germans nor the way they were disturbed. But in St. Petersburg - no. What's the difference? And in the bosses. In zhdanov and Voroshilov. And still in fear. Before the Boss
                        And about the old people and old women, about women and children, whom your hypocritical lamentations allegedly regret most of all.
                        Not hypocritical lamentations, but the pain of the Russian patriot for the ruined senseless and criminal people. Your ideological brothers.
                        Let not 50 km. Let 10. And the road would take more time. But people could be saved
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 10 December 2016 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: Hupfri
      It is interesting why 10 roads and 1000 cars could not be laid across the lake.
      Why in this endless field it was impossible to withdraw the inhabitants leaving only soldiers. Where the truck passed, a person will pass. What is the meaning of starvation death. On the day of the journey, the pedestrian may well go to the mainland, what’s the cunning plan.? Did the residents just spit?

      I'll try not to offend ...
      1. "The Road of Life" is a very capacious and complex concept. The title "How Soviet Science Saved Siege Leningrad" is extremely accurate.
      Even in the article there is a photograph in which several lines are visible ... There were many stripes in one direction. The strips had to be prepared - frosted over 1 meter thick, repaired after artillery and air raids ...
      As much as they could and did.
      But they made it so that with the beginning of spring, the road was flooded, but still functioned in parallel with the Ladoga Naval Flotilla, which had begun work ...
      1000 cars ... I think there really were more cars.
      That's just how the cars could withstand the tests on the radiator in the water ... The drivers did several flights a day, while the car withstood. Then the car was repaired by the bulkhead .... Then again a day on flights, again bulkheads ...
      By the way, the GAZ lorry and ZISA ran.
      Photos of Students on the Road did not see ...

      2. People are self-propelled ...
      The NKVD troops were not admitted under pain of execution.
      The thing is, what happened.
      A lot of people drove along the railway, but they could not be taken out. And people rebelled - let's go ... ourselves
      Some people broke through the ice - no one reached the mainland.
      If the hungry could reach, and the cars would not be needed, food stations, doctors everywhere, anti-aircraft guns, anti-aircraft crews, observers, camouflage equipment ...

      Dilettantism is normal.
      They don’t even scold for this.
      It is terrible to hear in the form of an unambiguous sentence - such as the authorities are to blame.
      My grandmother and my teenage father were taken to the Kirov region along the Road of Life. The remaining relatives in Leningrad died.
      Lying on Piskarevka. All together - April 1942.

      Output.
      "The Road of Life" is written with a capital letter.
      Ladoga Road of Life - The Greatest Feat of Our People.
      Winter Road of Life is a very difficult scientific and technical task.
      The people who participated in this are national Heroes.
      A low bow to them and Eternal Memory through generations.
      It is sacred. Rather, it is in this that Holiness is.
  14. tundra
    tundra 27 November 2016 12: 43
    +2
    The last cars passed through Ladoga with an ice thickness of only 10 cm. \\\\\\
    Br I'm generally afraid of ice, and here 10 cm,
    you will not envy those carriers here.
  15. tundra
    tundra 27 November 2016 12: 52
    +6
    I had to travel a lot in the mountains and all sorts of ravines,
    with all the descents, ascents and inclines, for all kinds of fords and wild impassability.
    Well, as soon as I leave for ice, I get numb, my phobia is ice.
    Indeed, all that remains is to take off the hat and kneel.
    before the drivers and everyone who served on that road.
  16. Igor V
    Igor V 27 November 2016 17: 00
    +7
    For many years on May 9, during a minute of silence, the announcer said: "Let's remember those ... who carried bread to besieged Leningrad ..." Now he does not speak. “Values” have apparently changed on television ...
    1. murriou
      murriou 27 November 2016 21: 29
      +6
      For our current authorities there is no worse enemy than the USSR and the memory of the Soviet people about him.
      And Mannerheim, Kolchak, Hitler, Wrangel and other svolota - their heroes.
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 27 November 2016 23: 45
        0
        And Mannerheim, Kolchak, Hitler, Wrangel and other svolota - their heroes.

        Put everyone in one pile. Mehlis with Goebbels to help you. And Suslov with Khrushchev. The death of millions of starvation victims is your conscience
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 10 December 2016 10: 52
          +1
          Quote: Hupfri
          And Mannerheim, Kolchak, Hitler, Wrangel and other svolota - their heroes.

          Put everyone in one pile. Mehlis with Goebbels to help you. And Suslov with Khrushchev. The death of millions of starvation victims is your conscience

          Frankly want?
          What you wrote is meanness.
  17. murriou
    murriou 28 November 2016 05: 51
    +2
    Quote: Parsec
    Hapfrey, you think like a puberty mentally ill teenager.

    The word "think" in this context, unless an undeserved compliment will do laughing
    1. Hapfri
      Hapfri 28 November 2016 20: 25
      0
      The word "think" in this context, unless an undeserved compliment will do

      Is this your personal thought? Pretty bad. No comedian of you. Better as before - quotes from the editorials of Truth and the journal Communist
  18. murriou
    murriou 28 November 2016 05: 52
    0
    Quote: Hupfri
    The death of millions of starvation victims is your conscience

    "And I also destroyed the chapel?" (C) laughing
  19. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 28 November 2016 06: 37
    +3
    Thank! To remind once again about those difficult days (my grandmother lies in Piskarevsky cemetery - February 1942). Just think about it! What they did in the most difficult conditions, with that outfit! Under the bombs! In the cold, damp. And laying pipelines, cables!
    Yes ... And now?
  20. murriou
    murriou 30 November 2016 01: 59
    0
    Quote: Hupfri
    It was often possible to get into the car only on the list with a purple print. Without printing, no one will sell you a ticket.

    You just lied that the Soviet people were not allowed to leave the city on foot. That for some reason someone forcibly kept them in the city.

    And as soon as I started asking questions about this invention of yours, you immediately "forgot" about it and started broadcasting about train tickets with a purple seal. I will not even ask the standard question where the fireballs come from.

    I can even assume for a change that at least this time, for a change, you are not lying lol

    Do you have any idea that there are objective limitations on the number of trains, on the number of cars in a train, on the presence of locomotives and rolling stock, on the capacity of railways?

    And yet, what about your previous painful ravings about the ban on foot evacuation? Do you already admit that you are lying, or will you try to splurge for this version to entertain the public? laughing
  21. murriou
    murriou 30 November 2016 02: 42
    +1
    Quote: Hupfri
    Why in the 43rd? Why not in the 41st. When the Germans took Pskov. I asked questions, but did not receive an answer.

    Once again you are brazenly lying.

    And once again in your lying face - the same quote, which you are already trying to "overlook" for the third time lol
    Quote: Parsec
    In April 1943, the Leningrad City Evacuation Commission summed up its activities: from June 29, 1941 to April 1, 1943, 1 people were evacuated from Leningrad

    For the most stupid and arrogant liars - spell:
    1. The answers you received are quite sufficient and even exhaustive, and even many times, but every time you try and try to pretend that it wasn’t.
    2. Evacuation activities started on June 29, 1941. Even before the Germans captured Pskov you mentioned.
    3. In the first place is the number of evacuated PEOPLE, and you are trying to lie, as if the Soviet government did not think about people.
    4. This amount is huge, and is at the limit of real opportunities.
    5. In 1943 this activity was not started, but its TOTAL was calculated by that time.
  22. murriou
    murriou 30 November 2016 10: 13
    +2
    Quote: Hupfri
    You asked for a calculation, I brought it to you.

    Hapfri, you brought illiterate delirium, not calculation.

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    There is an error in any calculation but the order of numbers is this.

    You "made a mistake" twice at every stage of your fantasies, and in the end by about an order of magnitude. I have already analyzed your mistakes, but you diligently "did not notice" laughing

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    20 cars is a normal length.

    Now yes. Or with a powerful locomotive - then - yes too.
    But for the most typical locomotive in 1941, the level of about "sheep" is unrealistic.

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    Weight 34 matches 26 tons.

    The weight of the platform is about 20 tons, together just at the level of a loaded passenger car. So what?

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    Two locomotives clung and rode

    And even these locomotives were, as a rule, not "sheep". A FD.
    And it didn’t come to you, victim of perestroika "Ogonyok", that this is a double expense of already missing locomotives?
    That locomotives were destroyed by German aviation as one of the primary goals?

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    And you have a miserable million a year!

    Miserable and inept you cheater. We are talking about Leningrad, if anyone had time to forget laughing
    And you give me the figures for the evacuation for the whole of the USSR in comparison.

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    Communists signed agreements with them

    Are you still clinging to the long-gone myth that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a treaty of alliance? And not a non-aggression pact, as in fact? Somehow you are too far behind life, stop reading the perestroika files "Ogonyok" laughing

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    they reached Moscow on our oil

    You, an ignoramus, urgently need to learn about synthetic gasoline and its role in providing fuel for the Wehrmacht, Panzerwaffe and Luftwaffe. Discover a lot for yourself if you do not close your eyes as usual laughing

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    Let not 50 km. Let 10.

    Just think, only 5 times "wrong" Humphrey lol

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    And the road would take more time.

    Just 4-5 days instead of one day. In winter, in the snow. In city clothes and city shoes. Despite the fact that refugees from the Baltic states and the region did not even have their winter clothes and shoes, they fled in the summer.
    Without food, without the possibility of an overnight stay and heating.
    For already hungry and exhausted people - certain death, not even considering the risk of German raids.

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    But people could be saved

    And then you would just as hysterically "worry" about innocent people. whom the evil Soviet government drove out of the city to certain death according to your own current advice laughing
  23. murriou
    murriou 30 November 2016 10: 44
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    Quote: Hupfri
    Quote: murriou
    And nobody forbade anything else. What, there were detachments with machine guns around each city and checked all exit permission?
    Exactly. Exactly.

    Otkeda firewood? How can you confirm your next nonsense?

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    What do you think?

    I thought and I think, unlike you, lol that in wartime, without particularly good reason, no one will spend considerable strength on such stupid undertakings.

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    Everyone else worked

    Not all. A able-bodied population.
    Well, have you recently tried to portray experiences for children and pensioners? laughing
    And for workers, yes, there is a duty in war to work. This is absolutely normal.

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    It was necessary to have an order for any movement.

    Including on foot movement of grandparents, women and children? lol
    Again, waiting for the sources of your amazing stories laughing

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    If your factory is being evacuated to Magadan, then you are going to Magadan.

    Yes. Otherwise, desertion. What do you dislike about this?
  24. SEER
    SEER 5 December 2016 01: 36
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    Quote: Hupfri
    It is interesting why 10 roads and 1000 cars could not be laid across the lake.

    you seem to have read the article "carefully"?
    from the article:
    "In total, more than 60 tracks were built on the Road of Life... Some were intended for transporting equipment, the ammunition went along a different route, and in such a way that in the event of an explosion, it would not damage neighboring vehicles. "

    Well, what do you call ??
    character with avatar. definitely ...