Victory Day over Japan

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Victory Day over Japan

September 2 is celebrated in Russia as the Day of the end of the Second World War. The basis for establishing this holiday is considered the Japan Surrender Act, signed by 2 on September 1945, on board the American battleship Missouri by representatives of the allied states, including the USSR, who were at war with Japan and participated in hostilities. This document marked the end of the Second World War.

The holiday was established on September 3 of the year 1945, the day after the capitulation of Japan, by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR as Victory Day over Japan. But in a later period, the holiday was practically ignored in the official calendar of significant dates.



The capitulation of the Japanese Empire 2 September 1945, led to the fact that the last hotbed of world war on Earth was extinguished. Russian civilization, despite all the intrigues of obvious enemies and "partners", confidently entered the phase of the restoration of the Empire. Thanks to the wise and resolute policy of Joseph Stalin and his associates, the Soviet Union (de facto Great Russia) successfully restored its military-strategic and economic positions in the European (Western) and Far Eastern strategic directions.

The swift and powerful offensive of the Soviet Army, which led to the defeat and surrender of the Kwantung Army, dramatically changed the military-strategic situation in the Far East. All plans of the Japanese military-political leadership to drag out the war have collapsed. The Japanese government was afraid of the invasion of the Soviet troops in the Japanese islands and a radical change in the country's political system.

The blow of the Soviet troops from the northern direction and the threat of a consistent invasion of the Soviet troops through the narrow straits on the Kuril Islands and Hokkaido was considered more significant than the landing of Americans on the Japanese islands proper after they were transferred from Okinawa, Guam and the Philippines by sea. American troops hoped to drown in the blood of thousands of suicide bombers, and in the worst situation, to retreat to Manchuria. The blow of the Soviet Army deprived the Japanese elite of this hope. Moreover, the Soviet troops, with the rapid onset, deprived Japan of their bacteriological, biological weapons. Japan lost the ability to strike back at the enemy, use weapons of mass destruction.

At a meeting of the 9 Supreme Military Council on August 1945, the head of the Japanese government, Suzuki, said: "Joining the Soviet Union this morning puts us in a hopeless situation and makes it impossible to continue the war further." At this meeting, the conditions on which Japan agreed to the Potsdam Declaration were discussed. The Japanese elite was practically united in the opinion that it was necessary to preserve the imperial power at any cost. Suzuki and other "supporters of peace" believed that for the sake of preserving imperial power and preventing the revolution, it was necessary to capitulate immediately. Representatives of the military party continued to insist on the continuation of the war.



10 August 1945 The Supreme Military Council of Japan adopted the text of the statement to the Allied Powers, which was proposed by Prime Minister Suzuki and Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo. The statement was supported by Emperor Hirohito: “The Japanese Government is ready to accept the terms of the 26 Declaration of July of this year, to which the Soviet Government also acceded. The Japanese Government understands that this Declaration does not contain requirements that restrain the prerogatives of the emperor, as the sovereign ruler of Japan. The Japanese Government is asking for a specific notice on this. ” 11 August the governments of the USSR, the USA, Great Britain and China transmitted the answer. It said that the power of the emperor and the government of Japan from the moment of surrender will be subordinated to the supreme commander of the Allied powers; the emperor must ensure that Japan has signed the terms of surrender; the form of government in Japan will ultimately be in accordance with the Potsdam Declaration established by the freely expressed will of the people; Allied forces will remain in Japan until the goals set out in the Potsdam Declaration are achieved.

Meanwhile, controversy continued in the Japanese elite. And in Manchuria, there were fierce battles. The military insisted on continuing the struggle. 10 of August published a message from Army Minister Koretik Anami to the troops, which emphasized that it was necessary “to bring the holy war to the end.” The same appeal came 11 August. Tokyo Radio 12 August conveyed a message stating that the army and navy, "fulfilling the highest order, commanding to protect the homeland and the highest person of the emperor, went everywhere to active combat operations against the allies."

However, no orders could change the reality: the Kwantung Army suffered a crushing defeat, and it was meaningless to continue resistance. Under pressure from the emperor and the "party of peace", the military was forced to accept it. 14 on August at a joint meeting of the Supreme Military Council and the government in the presence of the emperor, it was decided to unconditionally surrender Japan. In the emperor's decree on Japan’s acceptance of the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration, the main place was given to the preservation of the “national state system”.

On the night of August 15, supporters of the continuation of the war mutinied and occupied the imperial palace. They did not encroach on the life of the emperor, but wanted to change the government. However, by the morning of August 15, the insurgency was crushed. 15 August the population of Japan for the first time in stories his country heard the emperor's speech on the radio (in writing) about unconditional surrender. On this day and later, many soldiers committed samurai suicide - seppuku. So, 15 August committed suicide by Army Minister Koretikka Anami. This is a characteristic feature of the Japanese Empire - a high level of discipline and responsibility among the elite, which continued the traditions of the military class (samurai). Considering themselves guilty for the defeat and misfortune of the motherland, many Japanese preferred to commit suicide.

The USSR and the Western powers differed in their assessment of the Japanese government’s statement of surrender. The United States and Great Britain considered that the 14-15 of August were the last days of the war. 14 August 1945 was the "day of victory over Japan." At this point, Japan did indeed cease hostilities against the US-British armed forces. However, hostilities continued in Manchuria, Central China, Korea, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. There, the Japanese in several places resisted until the end of August, and only the Soviet offensive forced them to lay down their arms.

When it became known about the readiness of the Japanese empire to capitulate, the question arose of appointing the supreme commander-in-chief of the Allied powers in the Far East. Its function was to include the adoption of the general surrender of the Japanese armed forces. The American government of August 12 proposed for this post General D. MacArthur. Moscow agreed with this proposal and appointed Lieutenant General KN Derevyanko the USSR representative under the supreme commander of the allied armies.

15 August, the United States announced a draft "General Order number 1", which indicated the areas of acceptance of the surrender of the Japanese troops of each of the Allied powers. The order stipulated that the Japanese would surrender to the Commander-in-Chief of the Soviet troops in the Far East in Northeast China, in northern Korea (north of the 38 parallel) and on South Sakhalin. The surrender of the Japanese troops in southern Korea (south of the 38 parallel) was to be accepted by the Americans. The American command refused to conduct an amphibious assault operation in South Korea in order to interact with the Soviet troops. The Americans preferred to land the troops in Korea only after the end of the war, when there was no risk.

Moscow as a whole did not object to the general content of General Order No. 1, but made several amendments. The Soviet government proposed that all the Kuril Islands, which by agreement in Yalta were transferred to the Soviet Union and the northern part of Hokkaido, be included in the surrender area of ​​Japanese forces to Soviet troops. The Americans did not raise serious objections to the Kuril Islands, since the issue of them was resolved at the Yalta Conference. But the Americans still tried to nullify the decision of the Crimean Conference. On August 18, 1945, on the day the Kuril operation began, Moscow received a message from US President Truman stating the desire of the United States to obtain the rights to create aviation bases on one of the Kuril Islands, presumably in the central part, for military and commercial purposes. Moscow resolutely rejected these claims.

Regarding the question of Hokkaido, Washington rejected the Soviet proposal and insisted that the Japanese troops on all four islands of Japan itself (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu) surrendered to the Americans. At the same time, the United States did not formally deny the USSR the right to temporarily occupy Japan. "General MacArthur," the American president reported, "will use symbolic allied armed forces, which, of course, will include the Soviet armed forces, for the temporary occupation of that part of Japan itself, which it deems necessary to occupy in order to fulfill our union surrender conditions." But in fact, the United States relied on unilateral control in Japan. Truman 16 August spoke at a conference in Washington and said that Japan would not, like Germany, be divided into occupation zones, that all Japanese territory would be under the control of Americans.

Thus, in fact, the United States refused allied control in post-war Japan, which was provided for by the Potsdam Declaration of July 26. 1945. Washington did not intend to let Japan out of its sphere of influence. Japan before the Second World War was under the great influence of Britain and the USA, now the Americans wanted to restore their positions. The interests of American capital were also taken into account.

After 14, the United States more than once tried to put pressure on Moscow to stop the Soviet offensive against the Japanese. The Americans wanted to limit the zone of Soviet influence. If Russian troops did not occupy South Sakhalin, the Kuriles and North Korea, then American forces could appear there. 15 August MacArthur handed over to the Soviet General Headquarters a directive on the cessation of offensive operations in the Far East, although the Soviet troops did not obey the Allied command. Then the allies were forced to admit "error." Like, they passed the directive not for “execution”, but for “information”. It is clear that this position of the United States did not contribute to the strengthening of friendship between the allies. It became clear that the world is moving towards a new clash - now between former allies. The United States tried to stop the further spread of the zone of Soviet influence with rather tough pressure.

Such a US policy was in the hands of the Japanese elite. The Japanese, as before, and the Germans, to the last hoped that a major conflict would occur between the allies, even an armed conflict. Although the Japanese, as before the Germans, miscalculated. At this point, the United States relied on Kuomintang China. The Anglo-Saxons first used Japan, provoking it to the outbreak of hostilities in the Pacific, to aggression against China and the USSR. True, the Japanese dodged and, having received tough military lessons, did not attack the USSR. But in general, the Japanese elite lost, being drawn into a war with the United States and Britain. Weight categories were too different. The Anglo-Saxons used Japan, and in 1945 it was time to put it under complete control, up to and including the military occupation, which persists to the present. Japan became at first practically a colony of the USA, and then a semi-colony, an dependent state. To this day, Washington controls Tokyo through its military bases in the Japanese islands.

All the preparatory work on the organization of the official Surrender Act was carried out at MacArthur’s headquarters in Manila. 19 August 1945 representatives of the Japanese headquarters, led by the deputy chief of the General Staff of the Imperial Army of Japan, Lieutenant-General Torasiro Kawabe, arrived here. It is characteristic that the Japanese sent their delegation to the Philippines only when they finally became convinced that the Kwantung Army was defeated.

On the day of the arrival of the Japanese delegation at MacArthur’s headquarters there was received by radio from Tokyo a “denunciation” of the Japanese government to the Soviet troops, who launched an operation in the Kuril Islands. The Russians were accused of violating the “prohibition of military actions” that allegedly existed after 14 in August. It was a provocation. The Japanese wanted the Allied Command to intervene in the actions of the Soviet troops. 20 August MacArthur stated: "I sincerely hope that in anticipation of a formal signing of the surrender, a truce will prevail on all fronts and that the surrender can be carried out without spilling blood." That is, it was a hint that Moscow was to blame for the "shedding of blood". However, the Soviet command was not going to stop fighting before the Japanese ceased resistance and laid down their arms in Manchuria, Korea, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.

The Surrender Act, agreed by the Allied countries, was handed over to Japanese representatives in Manila. General MacArthur 26 of August notified the Japanese bid that the American fleet had begun to move to Tokyo Bay. The structure of the American Armada was about 400 ships, and 1300 aircraft, which were based on aircraft carriers. 28 on August at Atsugi airfield, near Tokyo, advanced American forces landed. 30 August began the mass landing of American troops in the area of ​​the Japanese capital and in other areas of the country. On the same day, MacArthur arrived and took control of the Tokyo radio station and set up an information bureau.

For the first time in the history of Japan, its territory was occupied by foreign troops. She had never had to capitulate. On September 2, 1945, the ceremony of signing the Act of Surrender took place on board the American battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay. On behalf of the Japanese government, the Act was signed by Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu, and the Chief of the General Staff, General Yoshiziro Umezu, signed the Act. On behalf of all the allied nations, the Act was signed by the Supreme Commander of the Allied Armies, US Army General Douglas MacArthur, on behalf of the United States - Admiral fleet Chester Nimitz, from the USSR - Lieutenant General Kuzma Derevyanko, from China - General Xu Yongchang, from Britain - Admiral Bruce Frazer. Representatives of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Holland and France also signed.

According to the Surrender Act, Japan accepted the terms of the Potsdam Declaration and declared the unconditional surrender of all armed forces, both its own and under its control. All Japanese troops and the population were ordered to immediately cease hostilities, save ships, aircraft, military and civilian property; the Japanese government and the General Staff were ordered to immediately release all allied prisoners of war and civilian internees; the authority of the emperor and the government was subordinated to the supreme Allied command, which should take measures to implement the conditions of surrender.

Japan finally stopped resistance. The occupation of the Japanese islands by American forces began with the participation of British forces (mainly Australians). Co 2 September 1945 ended the surrender of the Japanese troops who opposed the Soviet Army. At the same time, the remnants of the Japanese forces in the Philippines capitulated. The disarmament and the capture of other Japanese groups has been delayed. September 5 British landed in Singapore. September 12 Singapore signed the Surrender Act of the Japanese Armed Forces in Southeast Asia. September 14 the same ceremony took place in Malaya, September 15 - in New Guinea and North Borneo. September 16 British troops entered Hong Kong (Hong Kong).

The capitulation of the Japanese troops in Central and Northern China took place with great difficulty. The Soviet offensive in Manchuria created favorable opportunities for the liberation of the rest of China from invaders. However, the Chiang Kai-shek regime adhered to its line. The Kuomintang now considered not the Japanese, but the Chinese Communists, as the main opponent. Chiang Kai-shek made a deal with the Japanese, imposing on them the “duty of maintaining order”. In the meantime, the people's liberation forces were successfully advancing in areas of northern, central and southern China. Within two months, from 11 August to 10 in October 1945, 8-th and New 4-I people's armies destroyed, wounded and captured more than 230 thousands of Japanese and puppet troops. People's troops liberated large areas and dozens of cities.

However, Chiang Kai-shek continued to bend his line and tried to forbid accepting the surrender of the enemy. The transfer of the Kuomintang troops on American planes and ships to Shanghai, Nanjing and Tanjing was organized under the pretext of disarming the Japanese forces, although these cities were already blocked by the people's forces. Kuomintang was thrown to increase pressure on the people's army of China. At the same time, Japanese troops took part in the hostilities on the side of the Kuomintang for several months. The signing of the October 9 capitulation by Japanese troops in Nanking was formal. The Japanese were not disarmed, and until the 1946 year they fought as mercenaries against popular forces. Japanese soldiers formed volunteer units to fight the communists and used them to guard the railways. Thus, a few months after the capitulation of Japan, tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers did not lay down arms and fought on the side of the Kuomintang. General Teiji Okamura, the Japanese commander-in-chief in China, was still sitting in his headquarters in Nanking and was now subordinate to the Kuomintang government.


General Umezu Yosidziro, Chief of the General Staff, signs the Japan Surrender Act aboard the American battleship Missouri. Behind him is Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs Shigemitsu Mamoru, who has already signed the Act.

General Douglas MacArthur signs the surrender of Japan aboard the battleship Missouri

Lieutenant-General K. N. Derevyanko on behalf of the USSR signs the Japan Surrender Act

Photo correspondents and viewers aboard the American battleship Missouri during the signing of the surrender of Japan

Modern Japan is worth remembering the lesson of September 2 1945. In recent years, Japan again goes on the path of militarization. In Tokyo, they recall their “rights” to the Kuril Islands. Relations with China are deteriorating, both sides recall old grievances. The US is strengthening its military positions in Japan and the Asia-Pacific region. Again, the masters of the West want to make Japan a “ram” aimed at China, North Korea and Russia. The masters of the West have already unleashed the Fourth World War (the Third ended with the death of the USSR and the collapse of the social bloc), and for many years the Middle Eastern front has been blazing, covering more and more territory. They also plan to form the Pacific Front, to use the Japanese civilization again as a “fuse”. Japan is aimed at China and Russia.

therefore Japanese should realize that it was the Anglo-Saxons who set them off in 1904-1905. with Russia, and then for decades set Japan on Russia (USSR) and China. What exactly the United States subjected the Yamato race to an atomic bombardment and turned Japan into its semi-colony. That only friendship and a strategic alliance between Moscow and Tokyo can provide a period of long prosperity and security in the Asia-Pacific region. The Japanese people do not have to repeat the old mistakes in the 21st century. Otherwise, the Asia-Pacific region will again become the scene of a brutal and bloody struggle. Enmity between the Russians and the Japanese is beneficial only to the owners of the Western project. There is no fundamental contradiction between Russian and Japanese civilization, and they themselves are doomed to friendly coexistence by their very history. In the future, the axis Moscow-Tokyo-Beijing-Delhi can provide peace and prosperity in most parts of the eastern hemisphere for centuries. The union of four great civilizations will allow to keep the world from chaos and catastrophe, to which the masters of the West are pushing humanity.
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  1. +6
    2 September 2016 06: 39
    "... The holiday was established on September 3, 1945 - the day after the surrender of Japan - by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR as the Day of Victory over Japan. But in a later period, the holiday was actually ignored in the official calendar of significant dates ..."

    Not only the Holiday, but also the Day Off ...
    1. +4
      2 September 2016 10: 03
      All with a victory !!!!!!!!
      1. +5
        2 September 2016 15: 40
        Great article! Sin - cannot be read and analyzed!

        All Russians on the Victory Day of the USSR in the Soviet-Japanese War!
        Veterans-winners Glory!
        1. +3
          2 September 2016 22: 51
          Glory to the people of the victor (peoples of the USSR)
    2. +2
      2 September 2016 11: 19
      If I am not mistaken, the day off lasted until the 47th. As in other days off on May 9. But Victory Day May 9 was always. Sorry about the Victory Day over Japan forgotten.
  2. +2
    2 September 2016 06: 46
    I learned that it was precisely a holiday day off at VO just a year ago. And as a day off, some elderly people remembered it.
    This year is a very detailed article. I will return to it again.
    1. +1
      6 September 2016 15: 57
      We have always remembered this on Sakhalin, from that momentous date!
  3. +3
    2 September 2016 07: 32
    Happy Veterans. Happy World War II Day. Happiness, health and long life. You have so few left, so doubly health and long life.
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  5. +7
    2 September 2016 07: 42
    If suddenly the current owners of the Russian Federation decide to give the islands to Japan, American bases will immediately appear there. And rockets, of course.
    And the war against Japan itself was carried out brilliantly! The Red Army showed such a "blitzkrieg" that the Germans did not even dream of in 1940/41.
    1. +2
      2 September 2016 22: 57
      100% agree. Cetata from Amo Saayan - the country belongs to the rulers, during the war they call it the Motherland and give it to the people.
  6. +2
    2 September 2016 07: 42
    Crowd in Times Square on Japan's surrender day.
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    2. +1
      2 September 2016 07: 46
      Crowd in Times Square on Japan's surrender day.
  7. +2
    2 September 2016 07: 49
    Unknown American sailor and nurse kiss on Times Square in New York after reports of surrender of Japan. Famous photo taken by Life magazine photojournalist Alfred Eisenstadt.

    The magazine instructed its correspondents to make a series of photographs dedicated to the celebration of Victory Day over Japan, which were posted in the issue of August 21. Many shots were sent from all over the United States, but only the shot taken by Eisenstadt in a crowd near Broadway became the American symbol of victory in World War II, along with a photograph of hoisting the flag on Mount Suribati on Iwo Jima Island.

    According to the memoirs of Eisenstadt, the picture was taken by chance, and he did not have time to meet his heroes.

    For a long time, the heroes of photography were considered unknown. In the late 1970s, Eisenstadt was written by Edith Shain, who claimed that she was the girl from the photograph. In August 1945, she worked as a nurse and that day she heard on the radio that the Second World War was over. She went to Times Square, where the celebration took place, and when she got off the subway, an unfamiliar sailor grabbed her and kissed her. She said that she thought she could let him do it, "since he fought for her."

    As for the sailor, 11 people claimed to be recognized as the hero of photography. According to the results of various studies, George Mendonça and Glenn McDuffie are considered the most likely candidates.
    1. +3
      2 September 2016 22: 42
      Quote: bionik
      According to the memoirs of Eisenstadt, the picture was taken by chance, and he did not have time to meet his heroes.
      ... beautiful, as usual in Hollywood ... well, US has its Heroes of This War! ... Richard Sorge! ... hi
  8. +4
    2 September 2016 07: 58
    There are no fundamental contradictions between Russian and Japanese civilization, and they are doomed by the history to friendly coexistence.
    ... But the Japanese government doesn’t think so ... but sorry ..
    1. +2
      2 September 2016 09: 15
      There are no fundamental contradictions between Russian and Japanese civilization, and they are doomed by the history to friendly coexistence.
      ... But the Japanese government doesn’t think so ... but sorry.

      Not the government of Japan, these are puppets, but the US government. Unfortunately, in the 60-70s, relations between the USSR and Japan were better.
  9. +5
    2 September 2016 09: 48
    A good article, but do not forget about more than 30 000 thousand dead our soldiers and officers! Eternal memory to the heroes who fell for the freedom and independence of the countries enslaved by militaristic Japan!
    1. +1
      2 September 2016 10: 43
      [Quote] [/ quote]
      Irrecoverable losses of more than 12 thousand

      Sorry. that we got into this war so quickly. Could return Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands without a fight, the Japanese were ready to give Hokkaido for rent, if only we would not intervene in the war (joke).
      In Potsdam, Stalin had to "break down", they say, the country was in ruins and before a year later was not able to fight, at the same time they pulled out more under the Lend-Lease.

      Well, the Americans and the British would have pulled the bagpipes for a long time. Nuclear bombing would not help.
      After the first bombing, the USSR would raise the issue of violations of the rules of war (the use of nuclear weapons against civilians).
      And against the army of nuclear weapons (in the form that was) is extremely ineffective.

      So that the Allies would be busy for a very long time and with great losses.
      From here, trying to draw the USSR into the war, it would be necessary not only to financially help, but also to make a number of political concessions (in Potsdam it was similar).
      And moreover, they had the right - the allies delayed the opening of a second front in Europe for 2 years, and we had more reasons for such a delay.

      And this
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        2 September 2016 18: 12
        Quote: chenia
        Sorry. that we got into this war so quickly. Could return Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands without a fight, the Japanese were ready to give Hokkaido for rent, if only we would not intervene in the war (joke).
        In Potsdam, Stalin had to "break down", they say, the country was in ruins and before a year later was not able to fight, at the same time they pulled out more under the Lend-Lease.

        But Stalin for some reason decided to support the allies. And he was not a fool.
        Quote: chenia
        Well, the Americans and the British would have pulled a bagpipe for a long time

        Not for long. But the Americans had nuclear weapons.
        Quote: chenia
        Nuclear bombing would not help.
        After the first bombing, the USSR would raise the issue of violations of the rules of war (the use of nuclear weapons against civilians).

        Did you teach history well? There was then no ban on the use of nuclear weapons (as the Americans were the first to invent it).
        1. +1
          2 September 2016 19: 09
          This falls under the prohibited methods of warfare - the deliberate destruction of civilians. And punishable. Japan would have raised a howl (the USSR would not have fought, and, as a mediator, could have condemned such use of nuclear weapons, and would have unequivocally condemned it, even though we did not have it, and the advanced public would have condemned it.

          Thus tying the hands of the United States.
          I have nothing against the use of nuclear weapons against troops (I indicated the effectiveness of the then nuclear weapons).

          And the usual bombing is Germany. Vietnam and Korea. Findings.

          Only a ground operation with the corresponding consequences (I think the Americans lost a million losses for mebel little
          1. +1
            2 September 2016 22: 32
            Quote: chenia
            Quote: chenia
            This falls under the prohibited methods of warfare - the deliberate destruction of civilians. And punishable.

            Who is punishable? Who could say something against the country with nuclear weapons (meaning the United States)? And why was Stalin not opposed?

            and the advanced public would condemn.

            And the advanced public was just in the USA and Great Britain. Do you think they would blame?
          2. +1
            2 September 2016 22: 53
            Quote: chenia
            And moreover, they had the right - the allies delayed the opening of a second front in Europe for 2 years, and we had more reasons for such a delay.

            If they were late, then the Americans would have gained control of Korea and Manchuria.
            Particularly great attention was paid to Manchuria. It was in it that the Japanese military group was located. And next to it is a rather long border with the USSR. And it is unlikely that the Americans would just leave from there.
            In addition, confrontation between the Communists and the Kuomintang was growing in China (the United States supported the latter). If the USSR lost to Manchuria (after the liberation, the training of PLA fighters took place there), the Kuomintang supporters would have gained an advantage, and all of China would become pro-American. But between China and the USSR there was a long border.
          3. +1
            3 September 2016 16: 01
            Quote: chenia
            This falls under the prohibited methods of warfare - the deliberate destruction of civilians. And punishable

            after Dresden and other German cities? After plans for a bacteriological war? After 30 million Chinese?
            In war as in war. A lot of civilians died in cities. And no conventions and morality protected them. Primary target ... like that. Cities are the source of wealth creation and labor concentration.
            In what way can a country (Japan) insist that the enemy used prohibited methods?
            Here, like Stepanov’s, you need to protest not with words, but with cannon fire.
            1. +1
              3 September 2016 20: 40
              I agree, but not really. In all newspapers, children are charred, etc. The world is at least used to it, but tired of violence. And then the USSR already controlled the floor of Europe, so that the noise could be raised.
              About Japanese warriors, they should not be taken prisoner in any way.

              But here is one caveat. The bombs in the USA are over, and any infection of BO among the Japanese in bulk.
              Hands are untied, blows to the AG and a bunch of "Flying Dutchmen".
  10. +3
    2 September 2016 10: 59
    The author, Alexander Samsonov, as always sees the hand of the "Anglo-Saxons" everywhere. It doesn't matter that the British and Americans also fought the Japanese and the Germans. Apparently, the author heard this nonsense on RenTV.
    Therefore, the Japanese should realize that it was the Anglo-Saxons who pitted them in 1904-1905. with Russia, and then for decades pitted Japan on Russia (USSR) and China.

    Oh really. The author believes that the Japanese fought without benefit for themselves?
    Incidentally, in all wars with Russia, Japan pursued personal interests. Indeed, if Japan had not defeated the Russian troops in 1904-05, then one could forget about the further expansion into Korea and Manchuria.
    In the long term, the Moscow – Tokyo – Beijing – Delhi axis can provide peace and prosperity in most of the eastern hemisphere for centuries.

    The author has no idea about the relations between the countries named by him.
    Firstly, Russia and Japan have always been competitors, and it is unlikely that they will make peace in the near future, since the contradictions between them are huge.
    Secondly, I was surprised when I heard India and China on this list, because these are essentially enemies!
    The author should read the history of the contradictions in the region, and not blame the "Anglo-Saxons" for everything
  11. +3
    2 September 2016 12: 22
    Glory to the Soviet Army
  12. +6
    2 September 2016 14: 12
    Memorable day. Congratulations to all readers on the day of the end of World War II! Moreover, we should not forget about this day, since our duty is to honor the memory of those 12 thousand soldiers and officers who died in battles with the Kwantung Army. Not so much nuclear strikes as the rout of the last reserves on the mainland, followed by the threat of a strike in northern Japan, forced the Japanese to capitulate.
  13. +1
    2 September 2016 22: 46
    Zabili dabavit Moskva-Tokio-Beijing-Deli-Islamabad-Washington-Lond
    on obespechut mir na dogie nedeli.
  14. +1
    3 September 2016 15: 48
    Quote: Lord Blacwood
    The author, Alexander Samsonov, as always sees the hand of "Anglo-Saxons" everywhere

    Well so, this is the only explanation for the bakers.

    Someone always interferes with a bad dancer.

    And here - the short-sighted and, frankly, boorish policy of the Republic of Ingushetia led to a war with Japan; total theft on military orders, starting with persons of the imperial family, undermined the combat effectiveness of the empire; RI’s incapacity in militarily led to many shameful failures in this war and a total loss - and the British, the Bolsheviks and other Martians are to blame for everything. laughing
  15. +1
    3 September 2016 15: 50
    Quote: erased
    The Red Army showed such a "blitzkrieg" that the Germans did not even dream of in 1940/41.

    Exactly. A huge operation was carried out in a staggeringly short time and with record-low losses (for us).
  16. 0
    3 September 2016 15: 57
    Quote: Scoobidubida
    and today it turns out "we won Japan"!

    Yes, no matter how unpleasant it seems to the Americanophiles.

    Islands in the Pacific were a matter of prestige for the Japanese, but not a question of their existence.
    But from the Asian mainland, Japan received the bulk of its resources - both food and ore, which has already been depleted on the Japanese islands themselves, and coal, and oil.

    The nuclear bombing was a significant event, but the "regular" carpet bombings of Dresden and Tokyo were much more destructive. and the Americans ran out of atomic bombs. and they had nothing to continue for a long time.

    It was the defeat of the Japanese on the Asian continent that was a decisive blow for them. By the way, the number of troops there was much more Japanese than on the Pacific islands.
  17. +1
    3 September 2016 16: 04
    Quote: Scoobidubida
    Behind the rear, the RESERVE group of Japanese troops, consisting of recruits, cripples, and equipment of the 20-30s, numbering a couple of hundred thousand at least some combat-ready snouts.

    It is clearly a big secret to the interlocutor that the reserve forces of Japan were held on the Japanese islands, and not so far removed from them.

    It is also a secret for him that the armament of the production of the 30s was the main one for Japan in WWII everywhere, where it did not turn out to be more massive even earlier. wink

    And that there was not a couple of hundreds of thousands of cripples, but an elite army in the 30s, which then reached a strength of one and a half million. Subsequently, the transfer of reinforcements to the Pacific Theater weakened the Kwantung Army, but not at times, and the main skeleton remained there until 1945.

    But some especially talented individuals it doesn’t matter what it really was, and anyway, what a shame it’s a shame to just lick the ass of the USA and charm the USSR.
    1. +2
      3 September 2016 19: 46
      To all, Skubidubidu simply does not understand the reasons for the low losses and the transience of the Red Army operation in the territory of the state of Manchur-Go (the future northeast of China); - the main blow Soviet troops inflicted from the western direction to the rear The Kwantung Army, all of whose defense lines were deployed east and north.

      It is as if the Germans on 22 of June 1941 of the year would attack the armies of the Red Army cover from Leningrad, Smolensk, Kiev and Odessa.
  18. 0
    3 September 2016 16: 14
    Happy World War II.
    Eternal memory to all who died in the war with Japan (and Germany with the allies).
    The date is current, as Japan leaves no attempt at revenge. And the current situation is very similar to 1904. At least in my opinion. Methods may be different. But in general, an alliance with the United States and the World Bank as it helped then, and now there is a long time ago.
  19. +1
    3 September 2016 16: 14
    Quote: Scoobidubida
    There was not, there was no rout, it was invented by the Bolsheviks.

    Yes Yes Yes. Tell us that the Mukden battle, which for a long time became one of the symbols of shame in the RJV, was won by us, and our army decided to drape 175 km to the next fortified positions purely for training on the run.

    Tell us that the almost equal losses of the Japanese and Russian armies killed and wounded during the Japanese offensive (!) To fortified Russian positions are normal, and 21,1 thousand prisoners near Mukden, almost 40 thousand prisoners in Port Arthur and almost 80 thousand prisoners for the entire REE, against less than 2,5 thousand Japanese prisoners, this is an indicator of our high combat effectiveness.

    Tell us that an even more obvious defeat at Tsushima, with almost zero enemy losses, and the loss of almost everything on the theater of war of our pre-war fleet in Port Arthur were invented by the Bolsheviks.

    Tell us that the Bolsheviks are to blame for the loss of the RJV battles, which for the Russian army and navy were all unsuccessful, despite the fact that by the beginning of the revolutionary events, almost all the RJV battles had already taken place, and the outcome of the rest did not depend on events in Russia.

    With great interest, I look forward to the next edition of science fiction on the topic of alternative history in the crystal bakery galaxy.
  20. +1
    3 September 2016 16: 31
    Quote: Scoobidubida
    having a superior power, she suffered crazy losses, several times greater than ours


    LIES.

    Even the Wikipedia-edited articles on Russian bakeries allow us to bring a little clarity to the bakery mythology with its attempts to whitewash the loss of the Republic of Ingushetia in the RIA - if you read them carefully.

    Crystal bakery myths rely on the fact that for the Japanese, TOTAL losses are taken out, which are presented as the number of killed, many times less - and for the Russian side only the number of those killed in the battle is taken, while officially (!) Taken into account.
    In reality, about as many unaccounted for were killed, recorded as missing. On the Japanese side, in this category of losses, there are units of people against hundreds or thousands from the Russian.
    And there were also a considerable number of prisoners on the Russian side, about whom the crushers diligently "forget".

    The ONLY battle in the entire ROW, in which the Japanese army has seriously suffered more losses, is the battle of Liaoyang, where the Japanese army stormed perfectly prepared positions in extremely favorable conditions for defense. Three echelons of defensive lines in the mountains!

    According to the most optimistic (!) Information for the Russian army, the loss ratio there was 24 thousand versus 16 thousand, i.e. even much less than under such conditions can be expected. At the same time, prisoners and missing persons, which are usually bashfully silent, are not included in 16 thousand Russian losses. And some Russian data recognize a total loss of 18 thousand and the existence of prisoners not included in this number, while Japanese GENERAL losses could be limited to 22 thousand.

    Still, it was possible (!) There was an excess of Japanese losses over Russians under JinZhou, where the number of killed + missing from the Russian side was even greater than from the Japanese side, despite the almost ideal position for us, and the number of wounded from our side was not fully taken into account due to the rapid evacuation of the wounded to the near rear. And there were slightly more Japanese losses in the battle of Tashichao, which was insignificant in scale.
    At the same time, the Japanese were advancing all the time, and the Russian army was retreating!

    In all the battles where the fighting was symmetrical - the oncoming battle and the alternate offensive - the Japanese casualties killed and wounded were LESS by 2-3 times than the Russians.
  21. +1
    3 September 2016 16: 39
    Quote: Scoobidubida
    superior in strength

    Also a lie. Before the start of the war, the Japanese armed forces on the Asian mainland were NOT at all, and in most battles the forces were approximately equal or even superior to the Russian army, as a rule - 270 thousand Japanese against 280 thousand Russians in fortified positions under Mukden. Sometimes - with a significant, for example 210 thousand Russians against 170 thousand Japanese under Shahe.

    At the same time, the Japanese all the time advanced and won.
  22. 0
    3 September 2016 16: 49
    Quote: Scoobidubida
    they signed it on the terms of the Russian side


    Yes Yes Yes! Tell us that Witte, on a personal initiative, pushed half of Sakhalin onto the Japanese; the entire railway to Liaodong with a dowry, including coal mines; fishing law in formerly Russian waters; the right to occupy Korea, the right to completely occupy Port Arthur and Dalniy, etc. - and the Japanese kicked out a whole week from this gift laughing

    You can also try to explain why Russia paid Japan 46 million rubles. gold "for the maintenance of prisoners of war", even if the full salary of these prisoners at the highest rates was less than 2 million rubles.

    Quote: Scoobidubida
    in particular, we received Mongolia

    Tell us more about it! laughing
    Especially about how Japan had relation to Mongolia and how she could give us something that she herself did not have. I love good fiction, but I can also tolerate bad fiction if the plot is so funky. lol

    Quote: Scoobidubida
    the former reaction of the Japanese public to the defeat of Japan in that war!

    Yes, yes, and about the Japanese defeat in the REV there, thanks in advance laughing lol
  23. +1
    3 September 2016 21: 51
    Well, RYAV is a separate issue, of course. And although you can consider the victory over the Quatun army revenge for 1905.
    But the USSR sample 1945 was the best experienced ground army. And the RI sample of 1905, and even in the Far East. It's hard to say how strikingly different was the spirit and capabilities. As the saying goes, "the coach was different" And the people. And the situation. Then the USA and the World Bank were in favor of Japan and actively helped her. And in 1945 they themselves fought against their offspring.
  24. +1
    3 September 2016 23: 28
    Quote: Retvizan
    Then the USA and the WB were for Japan and actively helped it.

    Yes, not so active. Japan won all the battles in the REV quite independently, both on land and at sea.

    Well, they supplied weapons to Japan (mostly from the British), so what? In the Russian fleet, according to the British designs, there were even more destroyers built in front of the RYA than I was in the Japanese, some "falcons" according to the Yarrow design were 27 copies in the series! And there were also German "Killer Whales" produced by Shihau and "Trout" made in France, as well as their subsequent development.

    The "Russian" cruiser "Varyag" was built in Philadelphia, the "Russian" cruiser "Askold" and the "Russian" cruiser "Novik" were built in Germany, while the "Russian" cruisers were much better in all respects than the Russian-without- quotation marks are analogues by class and generation.

    Ships of foreign construction in the Russian Navy were listed 152, including 58 German, 41 English (2nd place!), And this is not counting those built in Russia, but according to foreign projects and designs - there were even more of them! Just a business, nothing personal.

    After the Gull incident - also a separate shame - England could not allow the 2TOE to go to the Far East at all. And nothing, escaped with a delay during the international arbitration with the payment of a small, subject to circumstances, monetary fine.

    So the attempts to shift the blame onto any Martians and the assertion that "Russia in the RYAV fought against the whole world" is one of a series of common excuses for a bad dancer. Russia itself used foreign aid no less actively than Japan.