For the Turks should be treated seriously

March 25 2016 319

Well, kind of like a little abated seething masses about the incident with the bridge. What are the implications? The conclusion is simple, as a shot in the head. For the Turks in general and Turkey in particular, can not turn our backs. Punished.

For the Turks should be treated seriously

There is an old story about an eternally drunken bell ringer who constantly fell from the bell tower. When he was alive for the first time, everyone said it was an accident. When the second is a coincidence. The third is a pattern.

Once turned back to Turkey. The result - a downed plane. Now is the second case. Well, that without human sacrifice on our part, but the damage is obvious, no less.

Here is an extract from the published record RSUDS Kerch Strait.

As the decryption in 23.20 management system operator transferred the ship's master course for movement through the strait. In 23.26 from Kerch received the first warning of a deviation from the designated course and the board to return to it. In response, the Turkish captain asks to repeat the message and then over 3 minutes did not get in touch.

All this time, the operator RSDS with amazing persistence continues to make recommendations. “Lyra”, I advise you to follow with a pilot next time, you are not ready to follow without a pilot ”,“ Lyra ”, enter the channel, now your position is 70 meters from the red edge, hold the red buoy from the left side”.

It is quite obvious that the Turks wanted to spit on the Russian control system and all its requirements. They had their own plan and your route.

Finally, the merciful captain of a Turkish vessel replies: “OK,” but the operator’s repeated repeated reports about the danger of rejection indicate that he did not follow the instructions - he followed his course for more than two minutes, after which he agreed to “change course to the left” . But it is actually late.

Next, the operator commands the captain to give "full back", after a minute to stop all the vehicles of the vessel. The captain allegedly agrees, but again clogs the connection.

In 23.37 from Kerch to be the question of the condition of the vessel, on that vessel to respond that check its condition.

And this is the logical result: a message comes from the ferry "Victory": "Judging how we passed, the lira stopped in between the piles." The finish.

Zvonar fell back from the bell tower. And alive again. The attack (and nothing else this disgrace can not be called) destroyed №80 support, piles diameter 1020 58 mm and a length of meters, crossbars and headroom. Affected individual score piles, two adjacent supports were damaged.

Was it possible to prevent this incident? Probably not. We, with characteristic simplicity, we believed that the incident with the plane enough. And the Turks come to their senses. We are hoping in vain.

One might predict that Turkey will be followed by other steps unfriendly? Can. One would expect aggressive action on our "construction of the century"? Can. Especially because the faithful dog of Turkish special services Dzhemilev openly said that we declare war on the sea.

We quite naturally and amicably laughed. But it turned out something like ...

And the eternal question arises: who is to blame and what to do?

Guilty, I think, is not worth looking for. Firstly, the attack has already been committed, and secondly, one must think what will happen next. Well, really, was it possible to take seriously the statements of the old clown Dzhemilev? Forgive everyone who laughed.

But put yourself before the fact: everything that makes Turkey near our borders and shores can be done us harm. And we have to act on the basis of these considerations.

For example, you agree that a single RTO type "Lightning", patrolling the waters of the building, could easily solve all the problems. And you can not even patrol. In order to save fuel and resource. Just moor it somewhere beside.

And in the case with the Turkish trough can be quite a nerve to save the operator supervisor, just in front of the nose sharahnuv very smart from an AK-630. Or is there on this boat even AK-176, able to show where it is not necessary to swim well.

Well, if this one does not properly respond, well ... Then there is the "termites", "mosquitoes" biting and other products that can solve the problem. It is necessary and our sailors sometimes work in earnest.

And in general, the trend is not very pleasant. In the sky we have spoiled the Turks. At sea, too. Either wait until the land is something happen with their participation, or, in general, to be more vigilant.

This much people those Turks ...

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dvg1959

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26 March 2016 11: 24

We need to develop effective countermeasures to such actions of our “partners.” It must also be assumed that similar acts will still be undertaken by “sworn friends”, and Turkey is not alone among them.
Moreover, our actions must be decisive and carry serious consequences for violators.
Amper

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26 March 2016 11: 48

Quote: mihai_md2003
agree with you !! spit on the cons. Full of insanity and schizophrenia, well, I do not believe that the Turks decided in this way to prevent the construction of the bridge.

The cap can only be “justified” by:
- the captain and the whole team were on alert, the ship’s parrot answered on the radio;
- the captain was on the bridge for the first time in his life;
- the captain always confused left and right, secretly hiding it from doctors;
- the cargo ship was allowed to ride with the girls, previously the captain only drove a motorboat.
Otherwise, it’s sabotage. The Turks promised to spoil it, but they did it.
The Kerch energy bridge and the bridge are strategic objects, next to two insane countries at war with Russia with the support of NATO, protection must be at the appropriate level. Incl. from combat swimmers, ships, submarines, aviation.
It should have been a long time ago that we took control of the South-East of dill - and it’s in the trash. If only gas would be cut off in the winter..., Alaska should be returned... Texas should be liberated..., well, where else! Cuba is already gone... or not. Lawyers suck!
Chaos

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26 March 2016 12: 14

Quote: Darkmor
And in my opinion, we are starting a massive insanity on the theme of universal conspiracies.
How do we conclude that this is a terrorist attack by Turkey? Out of 2 facts - the support of the (temporary) bridge is damaged and the tanker is registered in Turkey. Everything - there are no more facts, everything else is a bunch of conjectures, searches for an external enemy, theses "and I spoke", Vanga's predictions, etc.

With the same success, it can be argued that the Tajik, who brought down a Jew in an accident in Moscow, was an ISIS agent who reached Israel on the territory of a foreign state.

I will replace the pile, the money for this will be removed from the company of the owner of the tanker, this will not affect the pace of construction. That’s the whole incident.

If your wife or mother or other close relative does something wrong in public. Who will you protect? a relative or a stranger who did the right thing? In any case, we must protect our own. Accordingly, you must always defend your homeland!
YGV-97219

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26 March 2016 12: 55

It was necessary to do this, it was necessary to do that! After the fire, Horseradish Pump, as my Dad said, God rest upon him! The Turks had a task and they fulfilled it! Our disgrace is ineradicable!
SCHWERIN

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26 March 2016 15: 03

Who has not worked with the Turks.
You just need to understand that the Turks (specifically) have a different logic, a different understanding, mentality, etc. The decision is made spontaneously, often without analysis. The result of living in Turkey, in this environment. As the classic said, Existence determines consciousness. I can say the same about the Bulgarians, Poles, and Ukrainians. Each nation has its own understanding of life. It's like - that a German feels bad...... It's like housemates. Everyone has their own truth, their own vision of life, principles, actions. We are Russians - we measure everything and everyone to our own yardstick. And if the actions of people (nations) do not fit our standards, then we condemn them. We begin to impose our view on things, etc.
Example - Europe, terrorist attacks. Talk shows are on. The police are bad, the intelligence services are bad, etc., etc. Frankly speaking, I don’t care about Europe and its problems. Yes, it’s scary to fly on planes, sit in the airport, ride the subway. There is a choice - not to fly, not to take the metro. We are always in danger. Terrorist attack in Brussels, ugh, nonsense. And look at the excitement. And no one seems to notice that in the DPR or LPR people have been living and dying under constant shelling for 2 years now. What does Merkel not understand about what is happening in these areas? War in the center of Europe! Women and children are dying. But she doesn't even talk about it. He knows, understands, but does not speak. Europeans do not bring flowers to our consulates in these countries, as a sign of concern and compassion for the murdered children and civilians who were born and live in these territories against their will.
So why should we solve THEIR problems for them? In the 30s, the USSR had an agreement with the Czech Republic on providing assistance in the event of aggression. The Soviet Union highlighted that Germany was preparing to seize the Czech Republic. We were ready to provide them with military assistance. But Poland was stubborn and did not want to give a corridor for the passage of our troops. Negotiations have reached a dead end. And the Fuhrer, realizing that the West did not want to deal with the USSR, effortlessly captured the whole of Europe. The result is World War II, with concentration camps and victims. The USSR, having a good army, equipment that was in some ways better than German, and knowing that the Germans would attack, for some reason showed peaceful relations towards Germany. Everyone knows the result.
VVP is doing the right thing in relation to a potential aggressor. He invited the States and Europe to take part in the operation in Syria. Don't you want to spin it? OK. we can handle it ourselves. Now we cannot repeat Stalin’s mistake in the 40s. We need to show everyone - if you poke your nose in, we’ll hit you. And right up to the use of nuclear weapons. In this world they understand only strength. Alas.....
Mikhail Harichev

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26 March 2016 16: 14

Quote: Voha_krim
Well, it seems that the seething of the masses about the incident with the bridge has slightly subsided.

On the website of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko appeared a petition with a request to ban the construction of the Kerch bridge.

http://vz.ru/news/2016/3/24/801533.html

An absolutely critical situation...
NGK

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26 March 2016 18: 06

This incident is definitely not malicious and certainly not an act of terrorism. In the 80s, a lot of Soviet ships went to the States up the Mississippi to load grain for the Union. The passage takes 16-20 hours along the river, on which there are a lot of different bridges and ships. Pilotage was mandatory, but still there were some incidents. I myself was a participant in one of these on board the NMP bulk tanker, when the ship’s mast was demolished at full speed on a bridge in front of New Orleans. You should have looked at the American pilots when they “sniffed” from the bridge before the collision. None of the Americans later called it a terrorist attack, despite the height of the Cold War. They put the anchor under arrest, the authorities, insurers and other riffraff came in large numbers. We figured out the reasons and released him for loading in Baton Rouge. An ordinary incident, there are thousands of them. Old sailors should remember how terribly a Romanian tanker burned in the Bosphorus. And no one shot the Romanians afterwards, they just took money for the damage. And the behavior of the Turkish captain does not cause much surprise, believe my maritime experience. No wonder there is a proverb - are you a Turk? Currently, there are a lot of clowns and idiots on the bridges of foreign ships. The way they operate ships is horrifying and surprising - why are there so few accidents and incidents with such navigation? Particularly noteworthy are the Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, and of course the Arabs. Many interesting cases could be cited, but not the place and not the time.
kukan913

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26 March 2016 20: 57

The Turks are like a mangy cat who can shit in his slippers on the sly
Nikto-74

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26 March 2016 21: 46

I personally completely agree with Darkmor. There is no need to look for conspiracies where most likely there are none, and certainly there is no need to inflame passions by building logical chains of links in which will be the downed Su-24, the airbus over Sinai, and therefore the like. In fact, there is actually little logic in such conclusions, but there is an attempt to “play” on emotions and people’s grief and thereby find supporters. and, in my opinion, calls to shake AKs, termites, mosquitoes and other maces are completely wrong. do we want blood?
Most likely, an unpleasant, but only naval incident occurred. The ship will obviously be, if not already, arrested. There will be an investigation. The relevant Russian authorities will issue an appropriate invoice to the shipowners. Most likely, the shipowners' insurance company (mutual insurance club) will issue the necessary financial guarantees. And I may surprise someone, but it is likely that the Russian authorities will most likely “release” the ship if they find the issued guarantees satisfactory for themselves.
Unfortunately, such incidents are not uncommon and occur in the Suez Canal and on the roadstead of Singapore, and have happened in the Bosphorus (during the construction of the bridge, by the way, in the Dardanelles.... it’s hard for everyone to burn in a nuclear flame because of a pile!!!???
I have some idea of how work is done on some Turkish merchant ships. With regret I must admit that the sloppy approach is characteristic not only of sailors of this nationality.... I mean both Ukrainian and Russian crews.... but anyone can screw up anything! Thank God in this case only iron and concrete were damaged! My regards!
colonel manuch

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26 March 2016 22: 14

STOP RUNNING WITH THE TURKS! THEY ARE THE SAME LIKE EVERYONE else. NO NEED TO FLIRT! THE OTTOMANS RESPECT ONLY THE STRONG, IN MY TIME THE TURKISH STATIONER IN THE STRAIT ALWAYS “LOSSED” THE FLAG FIRST, BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A USSR NAVY SHIP IN FRONT OF HIM!
1. Gippo
  
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  26 March 2016 23: 45
  
  What other inpatient? You have confused the Nakhimov and Brezhnev times into one pile.
  Have a snack, sleep off, and then welcome.
  At the same time, turn off the caps.
Gippo

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26 March 2016 23: 37

Oh, that's your division!
Well, I drove into a bridge, so what? And the fact that the Turks are supplying and building this bridge - who will remember about it?
Three pages of sofa analytics about the Erdogan and Sevastopol bridges...
Have you even tried to work? To live for yourself and your family? Hands and head?
I strongly doubt it, because it’s just one continuous illiterate squeal interspersed with the same “bloggers”.
complete zero

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27 March 2016 00: 07

Quote: Nikolai K
Have you read or "viewed" the article? The author points to a logical chain:

Skomorokhov forgot to include the fall of a Boeing in Rostov in a series of events. Indeed, it is clearly a terrorist attack, the Arabs were aiming at an important object in Rostov-on-Don, but missed and the plane crashed near the runway ...

Such "logical" chains in ordinary times beat like a fountain in homes for the mentally ill. But lately, as I watch, other inhabitants of our country are not averse to giving out another conspiracy theory. Yeah, apparently, they baked the head. ... ... near the TV.

You are in vain making jokes by accusing people of phobia, the relationship with Turkey is really no better than with Ukraine... and if I were in Erdogan’s place I would be completely crap (so everything is reasonable)
Dal arya

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27 March 2016 01: 53

Someone says that we, in the person of Turkey, have lost one ally. Nonsense, we did absolutely nothing bad to Turkey, but they showed us their true colors. Well, in this situation, we can only wish good luck to the Kurds in the difficult task of collapsing this non-state.
Evil 55

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27 March 2016 07: 09

The rhinoceroses undertook reconnaissance in force... It's time to break the horn...
Dax

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27 March 2016 11: 27

The idea is correct - we must treat non-Christians (and even “enlightened” Eurocannibals) not with the notorious openness of the Slavic soul, in short: with stupidity, but at least learn from our own mistakes. As we know, fools learn from their mistakes, but it’s not so offensive that over and over again for the same reason we dig into the trough, and we again “openness”, “hospitality” and other nonsense from fools or from traitors in power .
Mentat

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27 March 2016 17: 17

Quote: stalkerwalker
Quote: V.ic
Have you read or "viewed" the article? The author points to a logical chain: 1 - downed Su-24; 2 - intentional damage to a strategic facility under construction; 3 - ??????????. And about the complete absence of military cover for a strategic object is correctly stated in this article.

If there is a desire to prevent a potential saboteur from supporting the bridge (technical or under construction), then routine work should be done:
1. Designate the bridge construction area as "Area to be avoided" on nautical charts. This is the concern of GUNiO (Main Directorate of Navigation and Oceanography) through the appropriate Notices to Mariners.
2. Notify ALL seafarers in this area through the Coastal Communications system - NAVTEX "Don't go there, go here. Otherwise the snow will fall head off ..."
3. Put a boat or tugboat at the bridge, the task of which will be to alert all passing ships both through the AIS system and via VHF communications. Literally - to drive away the especially dull, as do support vessels in the North and Baltic Seas, when they are literally sent away from sin in English (and in Russian as well).
4. And the last. The language barrier. The English language, both of the Russian coast station operators and of Turkish boatmasters, is a thing that is sometimes incompatible ...
Introducing MANDATORY pilotage is problematic because you won’t get enough pilots (lack 0f pilots).

Judging by your comments, you consider yourself terribly smart. In fact, you didn’t bother to look at the data of the incident, but the show-off is over the top.

And there was a warning, and the area was marked, and there were “boats at the supports” (lighthouse piles), everything was there. But you don’t even have the time to lift a finger on the Internet, and you really want to show off your self on the forum.

To get specific: “The information center [of the Crimean Bridge] also said that construction and installation work on the bridge does not interfere with navigation. Wherein all ships, passing through the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal, informed about construction work. In addition to the mandatory notification, which has been in force since last summer, the work area is limited by special navigation signs"(http://vz.ru/incidents/2016/3/23/801203.html)

In other words, the captain of the ship or the person operating the ship could clearly see that he was entering, according to navigational warning signs, in the area of construction work. The vessel was previously notified of the area of these works, and was warned in real time about the wrong course by the dispatcher.

In addition to the supports of the auxiliary bridge, two lighthouse piles were demolished [same source]. The ship headed straight for the warning signals.

In such conditions, the probability of an accidental incident is not zero, but extremely low.

What follows from this? The level of attention to the actions of the Turkish side will increase. Now it is already close to the maximum. To attribute everything to chance with a rational point of view. impossible, it is necessary to provide for all options and probabilities.

Naturally, Russia will respond to this provocation strictly within the legal framework. The owners of this trough will be sued. In the future, if this happens again, proactive measures will most likely be taken.

The bridge itself (in accordance with the project) will be protected from such actions, intentional, accidental or “accidental” by special hydraulic structures, firewalls. It will be impossible to ram the supports of the existing bridge.
1. kig
  
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  28 March 2016 06: 32
  
  In fact, you didn't bother to look at the incident data
  
  You seem to know how to use the Internet, but in fact you haven’t bothered to familiarize yourself with similar cases in world practice. Try it, and you will be surprised how ships, with good visibility, with pilots on board, under absolutely favorable conditions, with navigational maps with all the signs on them, etc., etc., managed to run aground and collide with other ships, bridges and berths. If you follow your logic, then all these cases can be classified as a terrorist attack, and it is best to shoot the captains in advance.
  
  One of Murphy's Laws: If something can be done wrong, there will always be someone who will do it.
  
  Let's still wait for the results of the investigation. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have to apologize later for hot, thoughtless words and expressions.
duchy

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27 March 2016 19: 20

Well, write --- The Turks were, are and will be TURKS, As they say: “this is for life”
Mentat

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28 March 2016 14: 00

Quote: kig
If you follow your logic, then all these cases can be classified as a terrorist attack, and it is best to shoot the captains in advance.

Read the messages you respond to carefully.

In such conditions chance random incident not zero, but extremely low.

So that there is no idle speculation about other people's words.

By the way, out of all the variety of cases mentioned, can you give at least one example of similar games with a motion controller? “Yes, I’m turning” - in fact, it’s going on the same course; “Yes, stop the car” - in fact it’s a ramming attack.

When you find something similar, continue the comment about idleness, surprise and attentive reading background information.
1. kig
  
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  29 March 2016 04: 05
  
  the probability of an accidental incident is not zero, but extremely low
  I read it carefully, but I still don’t understand where you got such confidence from. But in general, our dispute is useless, because you have already decided everything in advance and condemned everyone. You weren’t there, you don’t know what the weather was like, visibility, etc., you didn’t read the actual recording of the conversations (like all of us, by the way), but the verdict is already ready.
  
  At the same time, clarify this mysterious story - a terrorist attack is clearly visible
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ31K5ZDfMQ
2005 Aleksey

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30 March 2016 17: 24

It was necessary to develop appropriate countermeasures long ago. Similar incidents will befall us more than once. You need to be prepared for this.
kig

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31 March 2016 08: 26

Although a lot of time has passed since the appearance of this cry from the soul of a certain A. Skomorokhov and the passions in the discussions have subsided, I will still add my 5 cents.

http://vz.ru/news/2016/3/30/802582.html

The cargo ship Sormovskiy-48, sailing through the Kerch Strait without a pilot, almost crashed into the supports of a bridge under construction last night.

According to NDNews, the ship was flying the flag of the federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis (an island state in the Caribbean). According to Kerch pilots, the cargo ship turned at the wrong buoys and passed right between the supports of the future bridge, almost hitting them.

Experts note that the ship was saved by the fact that the captain realized his mistake and sharply reduced speed. Thanks to its shallow draft, Sormovskiy-48 was able to navigate through shallow water.

It is noted that floating cranes “Sevastopolets” and “Zinoviev” were operating in this area. Fortunately, they had not yet managed to drive piles in this place.

“The ship Sormovskiy-48 constantly navigates the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal, and the captain knows well how to act. But this time, when making the turn, the captain did not take into account hydrometeorological conditions, and the ship was carried by the current beyond the red edge of the canal,” the publication quotes local experts as saying.

Tenacious terrorist hunters may be able to expand on their theories, this time blaming an island nation in the Caribbean. However, I am absolutely sure that the entire crew of the “foreign” ship consisted of purebred Russians. You can, of course, delve into their biographies and see if there is a Turkish trace there.