For the Turks should be treated seriously

Well, kind of like a little abated seething masses about the incident with the bridge. What are the implications? The conclusion is simple, as a shot in the head. For the Turks in general and Turkey in particular, can not turn our backs. Punished.

There is an old story about an eternally drunken bell ringer who constantly fell from the bell tower. When he was alive for the first time, everyone said it was an accident. When the second is a coincidence. The third is a pattern.

Once turned back to Turkey. The result - a downed plane. Now is the second case. Well, that without human sacrifice on our part, but the damage is obvious, no less.

Here is an extract from the published record RSUDS Kerch Strait.

As the decryption in 23.20 management system operator transferred the ship's master course for movement through the strait. In 23.26 from Kerch received the first warning of a deviation from the designated course and the board to return to it. In response, the Turkish captain asks to repeat the message and then over 3 minutes did not get in touch.

All this time, the operator RSDS with amazing persistence continues to make recommendations. “Lyra”, I advise you to follow with a pilot next time, you are not ready to follow without a pilot ”,“ Lyra ”, enter the channel, now your position is 70 meters from the red edge, hold the red buoy from the left side”.

It is quite obvious that the Turks wanted to spit on the Russian control system and all its requirements. They had their own plan and your route.

Finally, the merciful captain of a Turkish vessel replies: “OK,” but the operator’s repeated repeated reports about the danger of rejection indicate that he did not follow the instructions - he followed his course for more than two minutes, after which he agreed to “change course to the left” . But it is actually late.

Next, the operator commands the captain to give "full back", after a minute to stop all the vehicles of the vessel. The captain allegedly agrees, but again clogs the connection.

In 23.37 from Kerch to be the question of the condition of the vessel, on that vessel to respond that check its condition.

And this is the logical result: a message comes from the ferry "Victory": "Judging how we passed, the lira stopped in between the piles." The finish.

Zvonar fell back from the bell tower. And alive again. The attack (and nothing else this disgrace can not be called) destroyed №80 support, piles diameter 1020 58 mm and a length of meters, crossbars and headroom. Affected individual score piles, two adjacent supports were damaged.

Was it possible to prevent this incident? Probably not. We, with characteristic simplicity, we believed that the incident with the plane enough. And the Turks come to their senses. We are hoping in vain.

One might predict that Turkey will be followed by other steps unfriendly? Can. One would expect aggressive action on our "construction of the century"? Can. Especially because the faithful dog of Turkish special services Dzhemilev openly said that we declare war on the sea.

We quite naturally and amicably laughed. But it turned out something like ...

And the eternal question arises: who is to blame and what to do?

Guilty, I think, is not worth looking for. Firstly, the attack has already been committed, and secondly, one must think what will happen next. Well, really, was it possible to take seriously the statements of the old clown Dzhemilev? Forgive everyone who laughed.

But put yourself before the fact: everything that makes Turkey near our borders and shores can be done us harm. And we have to act on the basis of these considerations.

For example, you agree that a single RTO type "Lightning", patrolling the waters of the building, could easily solve all the problems. And you can not even patrol. In order to save fuel and resource. Just moor it somewhere beside.

And in the case with the Turkish trough can be quite a nerve to save the operator supervisor, just in front of the nose sharahnuv very smart from an AK-630. Or is there on this boat even AK-176, able to show where it is not necessary to swim well.

Well, if this one does not properly respond, well ... Then there is the "termites", "mosquitoes" biting and other products that can solve the problem. It is necessary and our sailors sometimes work in earnest.

And in general, the trend is not very pleasant. In the sky we have spoiled the Turks. At sea, too. Either wait until the land is something happen with their participation, or, in general, to be more vigilant.

This much people those Turks ...

Comments

[apro]

The Incident once again shows the vileness of the Ottomans, judging by the negotiations on the air, the Ottomans deliberately went to the conflict, God forbid that the consequences of their thoughtless actions were catastrophic for their pocket.

[Voha_krim]

Well, it seems that the seething of the masses about the incident with the bridge has slightly subsided.

On the website of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko appeared a petition with a request to ban the construction of the Kerch bridge.

http://vz.ru/news/2016/3/24/801533.html

[sa-zz]

Pick up this vessel on account of repayment, captain for community service. The author verbs the topic, a security system is needed. And what in general, our naval department issued a decree that this place can be passed without a pilot? Maybe I don’t understand something?

[Darkmor]

And in my opinion, we are starting a massive insanity on the theme of universal conspiracies.
How do we conclude that this is a terrorist attack by Turkey? Out of 2 facts - the support of the (temporary) bridge is damaged and the tanker is registered in Turkey. Everything - there are no more facts, everything else is a bunch of conjectures, searches for an external enemy, theses "and I spoke", Vanga's predictions, etc.

With the same success, it can be argued that the Tajik, who brought down a Jew in an accident in Moscow, was an ISIS agent who reached Israel on the territory of a foreign state.

I will replace the pile, the money for this will be removed from the company of the owner of the tanker, this will not affect the pace of construction. That’s the whole incident.

[V.ic]

Quote: Darkmor

That’s the whole incident.

Have you read or "viewed" the article? The author points to a logical chain: 1 - downed Su-24; 2 - intentional damage to a strategic facility under construction; 3 - ??????????. And about the complete absence of military cover for a strategic object is correctly stated in this article.

[Nikolay K]

Have you read or "viewed" the article? The author points to a logical chain:

Skomorokhov forgot to include the fall of a Boeing in Rostov in a series of events. Indeed, it is clearly a terrorist attack, the Arabs were aiming at an important object in Rostov-on-Don, but missed and the plane crashed near the runway ...

Such "logical" chains in ordinary times beat like a fountain in homes for the mentally ill. But lately, as I watch, other inhabitants of our country are not averse to giving out another conspiracy theory. Yeah, apparently, they baked the head. ... ... near the TV.

[alicante11]

Such "logical" chains in ordinary times beat like a fountain in homes for the mentally ill.

And how do you explain the fact that the Turk-cap was stupid for twenty minutes in negotiations with the dispatcher and did not follow any of his instructions? Probably admired the technical genius of our bridge builders and decided to take a closer look?

[Nikolay K]

Do you want to get a LOGIC explanation of human STUPIDness and RAGUILITY? Hardly anyone will give it to you.
And there is such a thing as deliberate action.
For example, you are driving your car with speeding and bring down (God forbid)
man at the crosswalk. Are you guilty? Definitely. You have ignored warning signs about speed limits and crosswalks. But this does not mean that you intentionally wanted to cause grievous bodily harm to the person crossing the road. Unless, of course, is proved otherwise.

[ochakow703]

If you are speeding at a pedestrian crossing, then you are obviously a killer. And all subsequent events are deliberate.

[Nikolay K]

Do you think that half of the country is known to be murderers? I do not quite understand your term "knowingly", but terrorism is a pre-planned and therefore deliberate action. Have you often encountered pre-planned accidents other than pseudo accidents in the form of car stands? To classify the current incident with the ship as a terrorist act is as absurd as to declare the driver of a car who exceeded the speed limit and crashed into the fence of the bridge as a terrorist.

[Chiropractor]

Quote: Nikolai K

to declare as a terrorist the driver of a car that has exceeded speed and crashed into the fence of the bridge.

Exactly!!!
The bridge is a state value. The failure of the bridge is a diversion. In wartime - execution. In peace - a criminal.

Observe the speed limit!

[samuil60]

Who are you trying to explain this to !? There is a category of people who firmly believe that "no one needs it!" One of my acquaintances, whose interests do not go beyond "I have a full refrigerator", is convinced that all the talk about the US plans to create a naval base in Crimea is the invention of "conspiracy theory" lovers. And under this article, you can, if you wish, bring all the concerns about the country's security: they say, who is threatening us, who needs us? As for the bridge, it is necessary to wash up a spit of sand on both sides of the bridge so that the miracle sailors no longer have a desire to test the strength of the structure.

[Mwg]

To Nikolai K. Tell me, but if you hit your head on the lintel once, and then again, will you bend your head in front of it or proudly carry it through the doorway? If so, then something is clearly wrong with your perception of reality. Conclusions - from your examples and your argument.

[Nikolay K]

Even if I hit my head on a lintel ten times, this does not mean at all that I am doing it INTENTIONALLY.
Do you have information that the ship's captain has already crashed into the Kerch bridge?

[ochakow703]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ochakow703]

What are you, Nikolai K, about the "half of the country" then mahanuli. If it were so, then pedestrians would have been included in the Red Book. But not everything is so rosy. There are plenty of idiots, jerks, to whom the dads did not invest their minds, but put a couple of hundred mares under the hood. So, I'm 200% sure that if you are driving, then have a conscience to abide by the Rules, not the Concept. And further. You liberalize here, like "I'm in a hurry, I didn't notice the zebra", but in vain. For my taste - for "zebra" and alcohol in the blood would give twenty years without the right to parole, maybe on the roads it became calmer.
PS Driving accident-free experience of 30 years.

[nerd.su]

Quote: ochakow703

If that were the case, then pedestrians would be listed in the Red Book

Pedestrians are divided into fast and dead. The first in our country are the majority, so there is no need for a Red Book yet ...

[Foxmara]

There are still old and small ones. The former do not already understand and move quickly, while the latter have not yet understood.
Rules for everyone. A driver on a typewriter with a mass of 800 kg or more is a potential killer, this must be hammered into the head during training.

[nerd.su]

How seriously.

And why only from 800 kg? an adult man on a bicycle for a five-year-old child is no less dangerous.

[Nikolay K]

Tell me, in your life you have at least three times exceeded speed or otherwise violated traffic rules, as a result of which, could an accident occur? Only honestly, no nonsense.

I think 90% of drivers violated traffic rules and many of them have been in at least one road accident. So now they are terrorists or "knowingly" murderers.

[Foxmara]

Exceeded. God was merciful. Became smarter. Before the zebra, increased attention, if 2-3 rows, I brake, especially if other rows slow down. The road is always in control. In the case under discussion, the cap is definitely deliberately stupid, after repeated warnings and instructions. Arrest, court, fine. Intentionally creating a life threat is not something that a ship captain (!) Can afford.

[wax]

You have ignored warning signs about speed limits and crosswalks. But this does not mean that you intentionally wanted to cause grievous bodily harm to the person crossing the road.

If the traffic police inspector warns you to stop, and instead of that you stubbornly exceed the speed and ignore the signs, then you are acting INTENTIONALLY.

[tomatokin]

Stupidity and sloppiness ... yes no. The traffic rules, like many others (safety precautions, navigation rules, etc., etc.) -WRITTEN BY BLOOD !!! Their neglect, such as road signs, will initially lead to trouble !!! There is still criminal negligence. Negligence, but CRIMINAL !!!

[Nikolay K]

Negligence, possibly criminal. This, in fact, is the legal definition of stupidity and sloppiness, but it is not terrorism, as the author writes.

[Alone]

And if you, traveling with speeding, are warned for 20 minutes that there will now be a pedestrian crossing and a person will be walking on it, will you ignore this warning?

[Foxmara]

Quote: Nikolai K

You have ignored warning signs about speed limits and crosswalks. But this does not mean that you intentionally wanted to cause grievous bodily harm to the person crossing the road. Unless, of course, is proved otherwise.

Signs are for this purpose, so that everyone is alive and well. A deliberate violation of the rules and says mental problems, auto seize, the right to take away. In our country about 50 !!! a person dies daily on the road. This is a war in practice. Only tough implementation of traffic regulations. Like in Europe, by the way.

[Badger]

Remember the catastrophe of "Admiral Nakhimov", when the captains of both ships received a warning about crossing courses, then again more persistent, and both times they affirmatively promised to change!
When they recalled it was too late, maybe an eclipse occurred in this case too, or they ignored the warning due to sloppiness.

[SU69]

Quote: Nikolai K

Such "logical" chains in ordinary times beat like a fountain in homes for the mentally ill. But lately, as I watch, other inhabitants of our country are not averse to giving out another conspiracy theory. Yeah, apparently, they baked the head. ... ... near the TV.

That’s why we need a TV so that people don’t think, but believe what they are putting in their head.
The author mixed leadership and people.
By his logic, it turns out that if we have a president-Putin, then the Russians are all bad?

[Koshak]

Quote: SU69

The author mixed leadership and people.
By his logic, it turns out that if we have a president-Putin, then the Russians are all bad?

But from this place in more detail. From what natural hole in your body did you pick this out?

[ochakow703]

Well, you see - inadequate. He grabbed a surplus, and that’s it. And your request will hang in the air ...

[shark]

No, Russians are not all bad. There are few like you.

[AllXVahhaB]

Have you tried to write in Russian? And then nothing is clear ...

[Achilles]

That’s why we need a TV so that people don’t think, but believe what they are putting in their head.
The author mixed leadership and people.
By his logic, it turns out that if we have a president-Putin, then the Russians are all bad?

What kind of TV are you talking about? Is everything all right with your head? The facts say that the dispatcher said many times to change course, and the captain simply ignored it, which means that he intentionally went to ram, there is no need to watch TV, there are facts for this, but they say that the Turkish ship intended to ram and did not here we talk about supposedly zombie Russians, if your head doesn’t boil, you don’t need to throw any nonsense on normal people

[ydjin]

Quote: SU69

Quote: Nikolai K

Such "logical" chains in ordinary times beat like a fountain in homes for the mentally ill. But lately, as I watch, other inhabitants of our country are not averse to giving out another conspiracy theory. Yeah, apparently, they baked the head. ... ... near the TV.

That’s why we need a TV so that people don’t think, but believe what they are putting in their head.
The author mixed leadership and people.
By his logic, it turns out that if we have a president-Putin, then the Russians are all bad?

Well, another epic master-masochist has appeared! To the daemon count SU69!

[Mwg]

For SU69. And where did you get the idea that Putin is bad? With liberal hysteria? Or from Radio Liberty, Voice of America? Anyone who is not satisfied with the president of the country in which he lives can be blamed where Putin is not. I and most of me are very happy with Putin.

[Brain Yurich]

SU69 will say right now that it’s Putin personally who put the bridge pile there so that the Turkish ship will directly enter it

[ruAlex]

Have you read the listing of the negotiations?

[AllXVahhaB]

What does the plot have to do with it? Typical provocation! Have you read the record of the negotiations? Or, in your opinion, the South Korean Boeing also accidentally flew to us ???

[kotvov]

Typical provocation! ,,
it would be a provocation if it were not for the destruction of the support. a typical diversion.

[the villain]

Quote: AllXVahhaB

Typical provocation!

This is my personal opinion, but it is necessary to respond to provocations so that there is no longer any desire to provoke

[Yasha Gypsy]

Quote: Nikolai K

Skomorokhov forgot to include the fall of a Boeing in Rostov in a series of events. Indeed, it is clearly a terrorist attack, the Arabs were aiming at an important object in Rostov-on-Don, but missed and the plane crashed near the runway ...

Skomorokhov is just here on the site "popped" a sufficient number. "People who have nothing to say never go into their pockets for a word." / B.Show/
And one more thing: some people hide their mind much more carefully than their stupidity.

[Grandfather Luka]

And this is a unique reserve. A good place to study various varieties of delirium and the types of those suffering from it.
For koment. a plus.

[Nikolay K]

Unfortunately, the varieties of delirium are quite uniform here. Everyone who is different from the gray mass is minuscated, and then with a sense of accomplishment, our sofa marshals again gather dust in their blue screens. Of course, smart thinking people are also found here, but they try not to stand out much here, otherwise the gray mass will instantly be trampled upon.

[Mwg]

Nikolay K. Nikolay, but imagine that you have grown tomatoes, which are all one to one - beautiful and appetizing, and one is rotten, gnarled and green. Will you eat a gnarled tomato or discard it as substandard? If you eat, you have something wrong with the perception of reality. An analogy to why you get negative. If the gray mass calls the dislocation of consciousness a dislocation, this is not because it is a gray mass, but because the dislocation in others is really incorrigible. I will tell you that the original meaning of the term "tolerance" means the body's non-resistance to the presence of a foreign body in it. So: the disadvantages of inadequate is the struggle of the adequate for the psychological health of the majority and all that. So if someone wants to indulge in their exclusivity and peculiarity and be glorified for it by others - go to ward No. 6. Well, or where tolerance blooms in makhras.

[Nikolay K]

You have grown tomatoes that are all one to one - beautiful and appetizing, and one rotten, clumsy and with green

Your analogy is incorrect. You did not give me life, but my parents and the Lord God. Not for you to decide. And then such a red tomato sits on a garden bed, grown on fertile manure, and declares that all tomatoes must be of the same height, or else we will write them in non-standard, or even worse - in liberals.

[the villain]

Quote: Nikolai K

All who are different from the gray mass are minus

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Nikolai K

. Everyone who is different from the gray mass is minuscated, and then with a sense of accomplishment, our sofa marshals again gather dust in their blue screens.

And then how!
90% of Internet Potsriots saw the sea from the shores of a shabby beach, with beer in hand.
KTM, MPPSS, SOLAS for them - terra incognita ....
But, my God, point them to their COMPLETE ignorance and nearness! Zapyuyut minuses and stupid comments ...
Roman Skomorokhov, not wanting it himself, stirred up a mass of turbidity from the bottom of the consciousness of those who were stubborn in his great conceit, similar to that which splashes out on the expanses of Banderostan.

[mihai_md2003]

agree with you !! spit on the cons. Full of insanity and schizophrenia, well, I do not believe that the Turks decided in this way to prevent the construction of the bridge.

[Mwg]

For mihai_md2003. Read the old tale about Thomas the unbeliever and understand why you are wrong

[Mikhail Harichev]

"Understand"

[sergant67]

Rather, in my opinion, this is an allusion to something more significant. But the Turks here have to say thanks. They let some morons know that it was time to take action and build a system of movement of sea vessels in the conditions of the constructed bridge ... And even children can know how to scream this terrorist attack.

[Mwg]

To Nicholas K. There is such a saying among the Chinese: ibu ibudi da Tao mudi - I go step by step towards my goal. What do you think, if there is a proverb, can it be that someone is guided by it? Or until the wolf begins to eat you in the forest, will you consider him a cute dog? If so, then your head is baked to you. Current do not be offended by objective conclusions from subjective comment

[Nikolay K]

There is such a popular sign: if it seems to you that your neighbor is Napoleon, then most likely you are lying in the cold with him.

[wax]

And why do not you read verbatim with the layout of the minutes of negotiations with this Lira?

[Darkmor]

The author points to a logical chain

This is not a logical chain - it is paranoia, that is, an attempt to connect together or find a justification for two unrelated facts.
The downed Su-24 and this damaged support are not connected in any way, except for the general adjective "Turkish".

intentional damage

Did the tanker captain admit to you that he intentionally rammed the support?
Or you conceived is it yourself? And none of the other options - for example, that the captain is inexperienced, did not seem worthy of attention to you?

and about the complete lack of military cover

And this is a continuation of paranoia.
If "they are watching us," then you need to arm yourself and shoot all the suspicious. A person, after such symptoms, is sent either to a psychiatric hospital or to a cemetery after the storming of his apartment by riot police.

What will military cover give you? Can you stop a loaded tanker that changes its course by 2 degrees and flies into the bridge support? Or you, along with the team, will shoot him - if only he would not accidentally damage a soulless piece of concrete?
Maybe you, as the captain of a warship, will then be ready to go on trial for the murder of a dozen innocent sailors - because that is how all world media will illuminate.

So in your opinion, Dear, you need to collect statistics

In my opinion, it is necessary to combine their capabilities with their needs.
You can’t find strong evidence of Turkey’s involvement - be silent and do not dishonor your country with empty threats to nowhere.

Wait until the "battle bridge" is destroyed?

Repairing a damaged support is several orders of magnitude cheaper and easier than blocking all water traffic through Kerch.

[mihasik]

Quote: Darkmor

will it give you military cover? Can you stop a loaded tanker that changes its course by 2 degrees and flies into the bridge support? Or you, along with the team, will shoot him - if only he would not accidentally damage a soulless piece of concrete?
Maybe you, as the captain of a warship, will then be ready to go on trial for the murder of a dozen innocent sailors - because that is how all world media will illuminate.

Our ships flying the Russian flag have also created an emergency in the Bosphorus Strait more than once, mainly due to the technical condition of the ships. One vessel entered the embankment altogether due to a steering failure and damaged a private villa (the vessel was in the way with a Turkish pilot). Should this also be considered a terrorist attack, only against Turkey? And the Turks to shoot ships approaching the coast at least 100 meters, because the Bosphorus is narrow by sea standards?
And there’s just a crucifix ..... in: The watchman fell asleep in the wheelhouse or just got drunk on the watch ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: mihasik

Our ships flying the Russian flag have also created an emergency in the Bosphorus Strait more than once, mainly due to the technical condition of the ships. One vessel entered the embankment altogether due to a steering failure and damaged a private villa (the vessel was in the way with a Turkish pilot). Should this also be considered a terrorist attack, only against Turkey?

He-he-he ... you can still remember how in 1985, in the midst of the hysteria of the Cold War (especially aggravated after the Korean Boeing), the Khasan ship sank the Turkish missile boat R-325 in the Straits.
So did the Turks declare war on us? Closed the straits? No. Both sides calmly figured out the causes of the incident.

[mihasik]

Quote: Alexey RA

He-he-he ... you can still remember how in 1985, in the midst of the hysteria of the Cold War (especially aggravated after the Korean Boeing), the Khasan ship sank the Turkish missile boat R-325 in the Straits.
So did the Turks declare war on us? Closed the straits? No. Both sides calmly figured out the causes of the incident.

So and about the same. Why whip up hysteria from a routine traffic accident? Moreover, "Lira" (this is the name of the ship that crashed into the support) has already been arrested in Taganrog, pending payment of the damage.

[Achilles]

Our ships flying the Russian flag have also created an emergency in the Bosphorus Strait more than once, mainly due to the technical condition of the ships. One vessel entered the embankment altogether due to a steering failure and damaged a private villa (the vessel was in the way with a Turkish pilot). Should this also be considered a terrorist attack, only against Turkey? And the Turks to shoot ships approaching the coast at least 100 meters, because the Bosphorus is narrow by sea standards?
And there’s just a crucifix ..... in: The watchman fell asleep in the wheelhouse or just got drunk on the watch ...

What the hell are you writing here?
The captain spoke specifically from the beginning, but ignored him at the right moment, if something hadn’t worked for him, he would have immediately reported a malfunction or then after the incident, but the captain didn’t do this, so he intended to ram

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Achilles

What the hell are you writing here?

Are you probably the smartest?
You acre of river steamboat, have you seen anything more serious?
Was on a modern ship?
Went to the sea?
So what did you fan your fingers out here, Internet patriot?

[Achilles]

Are you probably the smartest?
You acre of river steamboat, have you seen anything more serious?
Was on a modern ship?
Went to the sea?
So what did you fan your fingers out here, Internet patriot?

There is no need for brains, when the dispatcher tells you many times, go left, go left, he doesn’t (this is elementary, just go left as the dispatcher says), what kind of fingers are you talking about?

As far as I know, the dispatcher’s instructions must be followed unconditionally

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Achilles

There’s no need for brains

Quote: Achilles

Can you give a more serious argument instead of "fanning fingers"?

You will figure it out among themselves - who is the smartest, and then send a delegate to negotiations - I will explain ...
May be...
If you consider it necessary .....

[KaPToC]

Can you give a more serious argument instead of "fanning fingers"?

[mihasik]

Quote: Achilles

What the hell are you writing here?
The captain spoke specifically from the beginning, but ignored him at the right moment, if something hadn’t worked for him, he would have immediately reported a malfunction or then after the incident, but the captain didn’t do this, so he intended to ram

Did you write crap?
There is such a thing as walkthroughs. The Turk could stupidly confuse buoys or lights on the alignments.
Our own fault. It was necessary to introduce mandatory pilotage for ships flying a foreign flag, at least during the construction of the bridge! For one and additional income in a small capsule would be.
By the way, the Turks practice this in the Bosphorus! But this is for those who are in the "course", and not all kinds of crap!

[Nikolay K]

Ek busted over. And then they compared our good-natured Russian sloppiness with their Turkish deliberate cunning. Well, if they thump, it’s not from evil. And the Turks 100% deliberately wanted to make us nasty, they even sacrificed their ship, if only to delay the commissioning of our Crimean bridge for at least a day.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Nikolai K

Ek have you

These are not cons ...
This is the total intelligence level of minusers, Internet patriots ....

[Ruslan67]

Quote: stalkerwalker

This is the total intelligence level of minusers, Internet patriots ..

The whole world is a mess All the women .... and
Ilyich said getting down from Nadi

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ruslan67

The whole world is a mess All the women .... and
Ilyich said getting down from Nadi

"I am a poet,
I am called Rus ...
From me to you all .... Xia "

[Ruslan67]

Quote: stalkerwalker

"I am a poet,

And to you the same end in the same place

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ruslan67

And to you the same end in the same place

Himself so ...
With a place and an end ...

[Ruslan67]

Now things have gone with a twinkle and a song And then here lately everything has become moldy ....

[stalkerwalker]

I recently met a Pensioner at Politicus the other day ... I repainted in Yurbana ...
But the liver still does not protect ....

[Ruslan67]

Quote: stalkerwalker

I recently met a Senior Citizen at Politicus ..

Here he is partisan for good I already got everyone with my begging Then he doesn’t have enough for his grandson for cartridges

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ruslan67

I already got everyone with my begging

You need to shake his nest egg, you look and brandy 30-year exposure nadybayu ...
But I say goodbye - we leave the Internet connection zone, the page does not load.

[73petia]

"... they will not forgive: if we underestimated the danger. And if our house suddenly smells of sulfur, we simply have no right to indulge in discussions about molecular fluctuations - we must assume that a devil with horns has appeared somewhere nearby, and take the appropriate measures, up to the organization of the production of holy water on an industrial scale. And thank God if it turns out that it was just a fluctuation, and the whole World Council and all the schoolchildren will laugh at us ... "-" A beetle in an anthill "

This style of behavior seems more suitable for this situation.

[97110]

Quote: Darkmor

than block all water traffic through Kerch.

We are introducing obligatory icebreaker assistance at +15. What prevents the introduction of compulsory pilotage for ALL ships. Because the flag reflects neither the ship owner nor the crew. And you won't have to block the "traffic through Kerch". Moreover, Kerch is somewhat aloof from what is happening in the Kerch-Yenikalsky Strait, through which the bridge is actually being built.

[DenZ]

If "they are watching us," then you need to arm yourself and shoot all the suspicious. A person, after such symptoms, is sent either to a psychiatric hospital or to a cemetery after the storming of his apartment by riot police.

What will military cover give you? Can you stop a loaded tanker that changes its course by 2 degrees and flies into the bridge support? Or you, along with the team, will shoot him - if only he would not accidentally damage a soulless piece of concrete?
Maybe you, as the captain of a warship, will then be ready to go on trial for the murder of a dozen innocent sailors - because that’s how all world media will cover

And if the combat swimmers lay down something obscene under the bridge piers from this tanker, and this whole thing will explode? The protection of the bridge is necessary, and the most serious, both from underwater sabotage (19 km there is a place to walk around) and from blind and deaf captains of ships passing through the strait.

[colonel manuch]

DO NOT WORRY, "SPECIALISTS" WILL CHECK AND INSPECT EVERYTHING! THEN THERE WILL NATURALLY FIND THE EXTREME. I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED THAT THE SQUARE OF COMBAT SWIMMERS IS ALREADY CREATED THERE (MUST BE CREATED!). NEITHER THE TURKS, NOR THE DILLS WILL NEVER GET ANYTHING OUT OF THEM. THE BRIDGE WILL BE !!!

[Achilles]

Did the tanker captain admit to you that he intentionally rammed the support?
Or did you conceive it yourself? And none of the other options - for example, that the captain is inexperienced, did not seem worthy of attention to you?

And what is a sober person recognizing his intention to ram the support? Or do you think that there is one and say, yes, I specifically wanted to ram the support, the facts speak for him, you don’t have to be experienced or not experienced, everyone knows that you need to strictly follow the dispatcher’s commands, and he ignored

What will military cover give you? Can you stop a loaded tanker that changes its course by 2 degrees and flies into the bridge support? Or you, along with the team, will shoot him - if only he would not accidentally damage a soulless piece of concrete?
Maybe you, as the captain of a warship, will then be ready to go on trial for the murder of a dozen innocent sailors - because that is how all world media will illuminate.

Here you are also wrong, as practice shows, when you see a warship, the desire to ignore the orders of the dispatcher immediately disappears, and immediately

[mihasik]

Quote: Achilles

And what is a sober person recognizing his intention to ram the support? Or do you think that there is one and say, yes, I specifically wanted to ram the support, the facts speak for him, you don’t have to be experienced or not experienced, everyone knows that you need to strictly follow the dispatcher’s commands, and he ignored

Also say that civilian flyers, when they ignore the orders of dispatchers, also do so intentionally, in order to carry out a terrorist attack.

[Achilles]

Also say that civilian flyers, when they ignore the orders of dispatchers, also do so intentionally, in order to carry out a terrorist attack.

In my opinion there are not many flyers who will ignore the dispatcher at night when visibility is proctically zero

[mihasik]

Quote: Achilles

Also say that civilian flyers, when they ignore the orders of dispatchers, also do so intentionally, in order to carry out a terrorist attack.

In my opinion there are not many flyers who will ignore the dispatcher at night when visibility is proctically zero

But did real visibility suicide bombers once stop visibility? After all, we are talking about the fact of a Turkish ship hitting a bridge support as a confirmed fact of terror, or is it just someone again just fart could not stand the surge and burst ?!

[ochakow703]

"What will the military cover give you? Will you be able to stop a laden tanker, which has changed its course by 2 degrees and flies into the bridge support? Or will you, together with the team, shoot it - so long as it does not accidentally damage a soulless piece of concrete?"
Military cover has a lot to offer. It’s elementary, even without shooting, any sea slob, knowing that the object is well guarded, and with it Musi-Pusi ​​will not breed, he will keep the watch as expected. There was such a case in 87, right in the Sevastopol Bay. We stood on the abeam of Sukharka, bowing and anchoring the ship's course, as it was necessary, torpedo carriers were working with us. And now, the torpedo hangs on the slings, there is a daily divorce on the quarterdeck, and we all see that the empty ore carrier is rushing along the sections, the nose has lifted up as much as the cabin is not visible. I don’t know what was happening on the bridge at that moment, only the signalman began to blind the ore carrier's cabin with a searchlight, the radio communication capabilities were probably already exhausted. At the time of the divorce, I was a senior officer, I was exhausted, and we all see that the ore carrier is walking along the sections on the atomat and are not going to toss and turn and stop. The first mate leaps from his place and rushes to the waist, there he takes a submachine gun from the watchdog PDSS and shoves it right under the wheelhouse. You should have seen how it worked! The ore carrier jumped out to crush everything, from the cook to the very cap, probably. They backed up, gave up the anchors, but the inertia was too great and the distance was in cables, but still there was no direct impact. He went to the right, sliding along our right cheekbone. I collected all the railings on the tank from the starboard side, got entangled in the anchors, but He did not cut us through the "storm" cellars. Think what the fireworks would be in Sevastopol. We were getting ready for combat and the ammunition was to the eyeballs, plus a torpedo carrier at our side, plus an arsenal in Suharka. And you say you will provide military cover. Will give, and if necessary, in the face.
PS And then it turned out that the guys on the ore carrier elementarily leavened washing the still-ending flight.

[mgfly]

your list of incidents is incomplete - after drying, there was another case when a Turkish trough went to our battleship: just like a perley drill, ignoring radio communications, but when a queue got in front of your nose - so immediately "cursing the chief"
PS: I think you can already talk about systematic ...

[Nikolay K]

The current Ukrainian media find approximately the same "consistency" when they trumpet about the worldwide support of Ukraine by the world community and notice national flags everywhere. ... .true then these flags turn out to be just blue and yellow towels or a bathrobe hanging out to dry ... Don't be like. ... ...

[tank64rus]

Russia has declared war, however, it does not stop. As much as our moneybags, who are shaking for their loot, would not want to present everything as coincidences, this is not and will not be. Oligarchs can be understood how to live, God forbid, to lose what was stolen. The West and Turkey can be understood the United States said Carthage (Russia) should be destroyed they are performing. Therefore, we can say about .. or. And to change the piles, believe me, hemorrhoids are still the same. This is not on land, the ground there is rather difficult. And from this "captain" shake out everything that he knows and does not know. Then they will start to respect.

[tank64rus]

Russia has declared war, however, it does not stop. As much as our moneybags, who are shaking for their loot, would not want to present everything as coincidences, this is not and will not be. Oligarchs can be understood how to live, God forbid, to lose what was stolen. The West and Turkey can be understood the United States said Carthage (Russia) should be destroyed they are performing. Therefore, we can say about .. or. And to change the piles, believe me, hemorrhoids are still the same. This is not on land, the ground there is rather difficult. And from this "captain" shake out everything that he knows and does not know. Then they will start to respect.

[Mwg]

Nikolai K. Judging by your comments, you are either blind-deaf-mute, or a conscious troll. Most likely - the second, because a smart enough (seen from the comments) person cannot blindly cling to some random cases and not see the system. Why are you a troll? Dengov pay? Or offended by the "evil authorities"? AND?

[Nikolay K]

I don’t complain about sight and hearing. Do not troll. Dangs do not pay. Our authorities are not evil, but thieving. But we ourselves are to blame for this, we have what we deserve.

[ride78]

The chain is clear, the conclusion is not clear. That is, it is necessary to make friends with the Turks again, or maybe it is better for them to bring down a thread? Or put more weapons for the Kurds?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: V.ic

Have you read or "viewed" the article? The author points to a logical chain: 1 - downed Su-24; 2 - intentional damage to a strategic facility under construction; 3 - ??????????. And about the complete absence of military cover for a strategic object is correctly stated in this article.

If there is a desire to prevent a potential saboteur from supporting the bridge (technical or under construction), then routine work should be done:
1. Designate the bridge construction area as "Area to be avoided" on nautical charts. This is the concern of GUNiO (Main Directorate of Navigation and Oceanography) through the appropriate Notices to Mariners.
2. Notify ALL seafarers in this area through the Coastal Communications system - NAVTEX "Don't go there, go here. Otherwise the snow will fall head off ..."
3. Put a boat or tugboat at the bridge, the task of which will be to alert all passing ships both through the AIS system and via VHF communications. Literally - to drive away the especially dull, as do support vessels in the North and Baltic Seas, when they are literally sent away from sin in English (and in Russian as well).
4. And the last. The language barrier. The English language, both of the Russian coast station operators and of Turkish boatmasters, is a thing that is sometimes incompatible ...
Introducing MANDATORY pilotage is problematic because you won’t get enough pilots (lack 0f pilots).

[mihasik]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Introducing MANDATORY pilotage is problematic because you won’t get enough pilots (lack 0f pilots).

Controversial! There are enough pilots there, the main thing is that there is a willful decision of the "leadership". But he is not. And since there is no solution, then no one needs pilots except the required number.

[stalkerwalker]

The administration of the port of Kerch and the pilotage service should be asked about this - do they have the physical ability to supply ships with all the ships passing the Kerch Strait?

[mihasik]

Quote: stalkerwalker

The administration of the port of Kerch and the pilotage service should be asked about this - do they have the physical ability to supply ships with all the ships passing the Kerch Strait?

It is not them who needs to be asked, but structures like GBUVPIS or Crimea are not ours yet? Well, like Sberbank and VTB, as soon as Crimea became Russian, so did these banks close ALL branches in Crimea?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: mihasik

It is not them who needs to be asked, but structures like GBUVPIS or Crimea are not ours yet?

The right thing ...
It’s not worth it to go too far ...
Do not be lazy, google the number of vessels passing through the strait in a month, find out how many pilots the pilotage service is available, how many boats it will take to deliver and remove pilots.
By the way, the pilot also has a work and rest schedule according to STCW.
And do not think that the organization of the pilotage service will be easier than the organization of taxi companies ....

[maai]

Strategic facilities must be guarded accordingly.
Not born yesterday, provocations in Soviet times went all the way up to downed planes. Now it’s better and never will be. It is always necessary to act in advance, and not to rely on chance and not wait when the fried rooster pecks. I hardly realize that the military (ours) do not calculate all the options for all the events and do not take measures. Either the plane turned its back, then the patrol ship in the right place ...

There is a fucking barge of the home port of a foreign (read hostile) state and does not respond to the signals of the dispatcher ... that there is no instruction to patrol or military to lighthouse !? Where is going? What for!? With what? And what is the current situation in the world? This is an emergency or a threatening emergency situation! Where is at least a coastal support services boat? Bullshit!

Yes, we have patrols in the streets begin to go only after the next robbery and a corpse on the street. And then they do not go that long. In fact, it will be indicated when it is too late and again they are complete garbage for everything.
In My childhood, a policeman stood at every intersection and it was good. And now the "trend" is the Serdikovs, Vasilievs and tongue-tied, stupid Chairmen and others like them.

Dullness and incompetence, stupidity and greed bordering on treason and treason everywhere! And in the trends, there are still only words: "trend", "crazy", "business" and other garbage, coupled with the "most terrible" disciplinary punishment - dismissal ... for criminal acts!

[demchuk.ig]

Quote: V.ic

about the complete absence of military cover for a strategic object is correctly stated in this article.

It is stated that the safety of the supports will be ensured in the future, and now the AK-630 will help a lot!

[esso]

That's how much I read Skomorokhov’s articles, when he writes alone, such nonsense, well, he should be a jester on the square to work, when with someone, then the articles are less.
Now to the point, why the hype was raised, we have here that the fashion has gone, who will shout louder, the boss has all gone ...
The situation is commonplace, one Turk on his barge crashed into the supports of a temporary bridge, they will be restored, it will not affect the pace of construction. They are already interested in the incident, the relevant authorities and they, respected Skomorokhov, will figure out who is right and who is to blame, but make yourself a savior of Russia. Go work better.There is no need to speculate, we don’t underestimate the Turks, they blocked off oxygen, then Erdogan dug his own grave. The people himself would soon throw it off. Or maybe Erdogan himself called the captain and told him to take a bridge across the Kerch Strait onto the ram. just a Turkish captain is stupid and incompetent, and regardless of the team you are indifferent, you know where, the rest is the conjecture ...

[Brain Yurich]

in my opinion there are bastions, well, do not bullet them in civil courts

[ibu355yandex.ru]

So in your opinion, Dear, it is necessary to collect statistics before taking action? Wait until the "battle bridge" is destroyed? It doesn't matter who, Turks, Romanians, Choholopithecus ...

[esso]

Don’t be so afraid of the bridge, no one will ruin it, there are special services with weapons and equipment. They will carry out statistics and take measures. Well, if you feel so bad, buy a boat and a lantern and go on round-the-clock guard duty of the bridge under construction!

[ibu355yandex.ru]

So in your opinion, Dear, it is necessary to collect statistics before taking action? Wait until the "battle bridge" is destroyed? It doesn't matter who, Turks, Romanians, Chocholopithecus ... It is necessary to start protecting the structure now !!! To beat the tails - we can do that.

[Alexxeg73]

The conclusion is drawn from the fact that this "Lyra" has been sailing in these places more than once and knows the fairway. And then suddenly the captain persistently ignores the dispatcher's remarks and rams the piles incessantly. So this is like a "sleeping terrorist". For the time being, a respectable citizen, and one "fine" day he takes a machine gun and shoots a dozen people. The situation is similar here. Signal given - action. It is enough to read the negotiations, not the title of the article. It's not difficult, try it.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alexxeg73

The conclusion is drawn from the fact that this "Lyra" has been sailing in these places more than once and knows the fairway. And then suddenly the captain persistently ignores the dispatcher's remarks and rams the piles incessantly. So this is like a "sleeping terrorist".

I beg of you. In St. Petersburg, piles on piers and even ram bridges regularly occur - ships that sail in these places more than once and know the fairway.
For example, 2015:

In the past six months alone, four such accidents have occurred. For example, on July 30, the Irkutsk tanker, carrying more than 3 thousand tons of fuel oil, crashed into the support of the drawbridge of the Trinity Bridge at full speed. As a result of this collision, part of the fuel oil fell into the river.

[UNFAMILIAR]

Quote: Alexey RA

For example, 2015:

This is 2005 year

[97110]

Quote: Darkmor

And in my opinion, we are starting a massive insanity on the theme of universal conspiracies.

In 2004, in the fall, the steamer "Kent Shipping" (Turkish shipowner, I don't remember the name of the ship) broke the gates of the Nikolaev lock. Transit navigation on the Don has stopped. Stopped already a couple of days before the scheduled end. There was even no noise. But the Turks were convinced that it was enough to steer a little, and the losses of Russian exporters and the budget would be impressive. This is how many locks export tankers pass along the Volga, Volga-Don and Don. At that time, there were ships on VVP only flying the Russian flag. Such a flag clings to a Turk at a time - he gave an example. If it is possible to board Cambodian steamers - why is it impossible to travel to a Turk? It is the same for the border guards - during the five-day war I was loaded with bread from Georgians of the "Baltic" type, they were never interested.

[COJIDAT]

"If you want to live in peace - get ready for war!" If we sip Coca-Cola with bast shoes again as in the 90s, we will get a new Chechnya, at least!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

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Turks or something? Well, except for the prokhvesor ...

[Nikolay K]

I won’t say it for everyone, but I'm Russian. Just not a buffoon like some.

[Mwg]

Nikolai K. The most stubborn in Ukraine are also mostly Russian.

[aleksey980]

Quote: Darkmor

And in my opinion, we are starting a massive insanity on the theme of universal conspiracies.
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I will replace the pile, the money for this will be removed from the company of the owner of the tanker, this will not affect the pace of construction. That’s the whole incident.

Most likely you are right and this is a common ordinary incident, but ... On this topic, the Strugatskys have a wonderful expression in their book "A Beetle in an Anthill":

We are allowed to pass for ignoramuses, mystics, superstitious fools. They will not forgive us one: if we underestimated the danger. And if in our house it suddenly stinks of sulfur, we simply do not have the right to speculate on molecular fluctuations - we must assume that the devil with horns has appeared nearby and take appropriate measures, up to the organization of production of holy water on an industrial scale. And thank God, if it turns out that it was just a fluctuation, and the whole World Council and all the schoolchildren would laugh at us besides ...

Instead of "Us" you can substitute the Ministry of Defense, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the GRU, or any other involved department.

[Old old]

And in my opinion, we are starting a massive insanity on the theme of universal conspiracies.
What do we conclude that this is a terrorist attack in Turkey? Of the 2 facts, the support of the (temporary) bridge is damaged, and the tanker is registered in Turkey. All - no more facts ...

"Each bast - in a line!" The article contains a mistake: not an act of terrorism, but an act of sabotage (Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). Negotiations confirm the meaningfulness of the crew's actions. What else do you need, slogans on the air "Russians, get out of Syria"?

With the same success, it can be argued that the Tajik, who brought down a Jew in an accident in Moscow, was an ISIS agent who reached Israel on the territory of a foreign state.

Rain, RBC and others like them will write. And they will add that the Russian authorities are encouraging anti-Semitism.

I will replace the pile, the money for this will be removed from the company of the owner of the tanker, this will not affect the pace of construction. That’s the whole incident.

Have you heard such a thing as "the date of completion of the object"?
The process of replacing piles is more complicated than Ctrl / C and Ctrl / V.

[Mwg]

Well, judging by Darkmore’s comment, he can hammer a nail in his back, and then apologize and he will have no complaints)))

[30BIS]

Of course, everything converges, everything is right! The baby is not ours! - They didn’t block the water in Crimea (the North Crimean canal built by the forces of the entire USSR!), There is no Ukrainian food blockade in the Crimea. Power lines coming to the Crimea are not blown up. Until now, there has been a fan shutdown of EL. ENERGIES IN CRIMEA. RESIDENTS HABITED. And THERE ARE THE DIED CHILDREN IN THE UNLIGHTED STREETS UNDER THE WHEELS THE CARS WILL NOT RETURN .. THREATS TO KYRY-TATAR (EXISTING AND EXISTING MONEY TURK) ABOUT THE SEA BLOCKS AREA. WAIT THESE CITIZENS TOGETHER WITH TURKS WILL THROW OUT ANOTHER ORIGINAL. USAKALIA WILL TELL HOW TO MAKE IT!

[30BIS]

YESTERDAY AT 19:18
The crew of the Turkish "Lira" refused to apologize for the damaged support of the Kerch Bridge http://www.pravda.ru/news/accidents/26-03-2016/1296440-lira-0/а

[kuz363]

The ship is over 30 years old. Surely it has exhausted its resource and it’s just a piece of metal. And unprofitable. Turks will just say thanks. that you do not have to spend money on disposal.

[Nikolay K]

Even a scrap ship costs 200 thousand dollars. And it was on the move, 30 years of working life for the ship. No need to invent a deliberate ram, a simple human sloppiness.
According to international rules, a vessel will be arrested and sold at auction if the owner does not compensate for the loss, which will happen because no one wants to pay 120 million for a couple of supports of the TEMP technological bridge.

[smel]

our maritime department issued a decree that this place can pass without a pilot? Maybe I don’t understand something?
Mines !!! Only mines along the entire bridge. Then everyone will walk with the pilot

[alicante11]

Mines !!! Only mines along the entire bridge. Then everyone will walk with the pilot

Can you imagine the screeching of the "international community" if this Turk was blown up by a mine?

[simbirzit]

the dogs are barking .... the caravan is coming.

[COJIDAT]

The times of the second world war, why not? )

[Weyland]

Quote: alicante11

Can you imagine the screeching of the "international community" if this Turk was blown up by a mine?

EMNIP, in a similar situation to the same question Catherine the Great answered: "Don't give a damn! "

[alicante11]

EMNIP, in a similar situation to the same question, Catherine the Great replied: "I don't care!"

Well, we don’t have Catherine the Great now. Neither Potemkin, nor Suvorov, nor Stalin, nor Zhukov. So you have to pay attention to all sorts of Amer sixes.

[abrakadabre]

And such power that a large ship would fall apart at a time.

[Volgobalt]

I wonder only, the cost of this trough will cover the damage? And the captain must be judged according to our Russian laws, so that he rewinds three years in the colony, and then they stop spoiling the nits!

[Mikado]

Quote: Volgobalt

I wonder only, the cost of this trough will cover the damage? And the captain must be judged according to our Russian laws, so that he rewinds three years in the colony, and then they stop spoiling the nits!

Absolutely logical, I agree with you. It would be strange if the Turks drove into the piles with a brand new expensive ship. For it is a pity.
We must clearly make it clear that we should not shit quietly. Let in this case it will be in accordance with the Criminal and other laws of the Russian Federation. Criminal case + fines + compensation and all that. If they include a fool, then we can strictly adhere to the letter of the law. And you will not find fault with the word "absolutely".

[asiat_61]

This trough is more than 30 years old. Stop drinking beer.

[abrakadabre]

The captain doesn’t have to do community service. And under the article terrorism and what else can be soldered for attacking a foreign strategic object for them.

[Reserve officer]

But interestingly, underwater jetties are defined in the project that define the fairway for the passage between the supports? So that under no circumstances the bridge supports are damaged. Any deviation from the course is a collision with this pier even before approaching the support, but not with support.

[Manul]

Quote: Reserve officer

But interestingly, underwater jetties are defined in the project that define the fairway for the passage between the supports? So that under no circumstances the bridge supports are damaged. Any deviation from the course is a collision with this pier even before approaching the support, but not with support.

Can chains on underwater piles? Humanely, at least, so as not to provoke unnecessary international squeals and tantrums.

[Nikolay K]

This is a temporary technological bridge, which will then be dismantled. What are the moles?

[Sagittarius YaNAO]

Quote: sa-zz

Pick up this vessel on account of repayment, captain for community service. The author verbs the topic, a security system is needed. And what in general, our naval department issued a decree that this place can be passed without a pilot? Maybe I don’t understand something?

Take it to nothing, but to declare territorial waters and soak (bombing) someone's reputation.

[Brain Yurich]

the dish is probably not bad

[Dembel77]

I'm not laughing. In relations with Turkey, in particular, and in our international position, humor and satire in general are not appropriate. Everything is very serious. I repeat - very, very seriously, Turkey is just another performer of someone else's will. Whose? It’s not hard to guess!

[Nikolay K]

You have ALL the performers of someone’s will in your head, and it’s also not difficult to guess whose. Think primitively, don't you find?

[Bacha]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being followed. N. Fomenko "Russian Radio".

[Cat man null]

Quote: Bacha

N. Fomenko "Russian Radio"

This phrase is a hundred years old at lunch. Fomenko was not in the project when she was ..

Oh, damn .. two times said the same thing for some reason

[Observer2014]

Yes, let anything print on the website of the President of Ukraine. But the Sea of ​​Azov needs to be done by the inland sea of ​​Russia! I printed about this two years ago. We would have forgotten about the whining of Kiev a long time ago. Yes, you need to break through to the land by the Dniester River It was necessary to act immediately, and not to breed this tyagomotin! Yes, and parashenko in Kiev did not recognize!

[mervino2007]

Quote: Voha_krim

Pick up this vessel

How stupid are we? The plane miscalculated elementary. And we appreciated it - a stab in the back? (Dumb). Nobody even bothered to calculate the words of Dzhemilev. Nobody is responsible for anything? To completely. Waiting for a command from above? Big giraffe, he knows better? And now, where are you missing? Are there really no independent commanders and leaders of the regional, at least, level? Initiative steers? Thoughts are short, like a pinocchio? .... Get the full.

[Brain Yurich]

It’s interesting to see what happens when they forbid building a bridge? Workers drop their helmets and go home ...

[Aleksander]

Quote: apro

The Incident once again shows the vileness of the Ottomans, judging by the negotiations on the air, the Ottomans deliberately went to the conflict, God forbid that the consequences of their thoughtless actions were catastrophic for their pocket.

The incident showed, first of all, blatant irresponsibility government bodies for the assigned case.
And find and punish the perpetratorsREQUIRED!
The novel offers absolutely elementary, obvious the right things - MRC, gun, etc. . But why is it obvious to us, ordinary people, and is not visible at the top ?!
Either, getting into the bosses, people are stupid, or only the gps

[PAM]

so many strategists and clever people - to shy away, to mine, it never occurred to you that this is what they are trying to achieve. The reason is needed to complicate the passage of our ships through the Bosphorus and raise the rating (or rather, at least somehow to reinforce the words "these insidious and belligerent Russians") to Erdogan. And so it is necessary to punish both the captain and the shipowner for the damage and potential losses in full (by legal means).

[PAM]

As an option, it’s time to start actively spoiling countries (secretly and with third hands, although they will still say and blame Russia (as always they are guilty without guilt)). For example: to deliver to the Kurds weapons that are still being decommissioned and disposed of (MANPADS of previous generations, shots to grenade launchers) and their use is dangerous (and for us that). You look at the number of blinking heads of state simply diminishing, and even less so.

[abrakadabre]

Based on the transcript of the negotiations. There is no smell of randomness or sloppiness there. In addition, in case of shelling, a warning volley in front of the nose is always first made at the course of the intruder. If this does not work, then the next salvo to damage. And only when completely ignored - already to destruction.
In addition, in such cases it is necessary to take the lead in diplomatic support - immediately, even before the news is distributed, call the ambassador of the respective country on the carpet, schedule a press conference and make a statement there.
And do not wait until all the dogs howl.

[97110]

Quote: abrakadabre

first a warning volley in front of the nose

A volley with the whole board? Why is it obligatory to "VALP"? Or a tank cannon shot from October 1917 is always "ZALP" !!!

[UNFAMILIAR]

Quote: Aleksander

The novel offers absolutely elementary, obvious right things - MRK, gun, etc. . But why is it obvious to us, ordinary people, and is not visible at the top ?! belay

The crews of the "lightning", of course, are pleased that their RC was produced in the MRK, and now think about how the 76-mm gun will stop the ship at least 7000 tons, and even the main armament of the "lightning", how it will stop the ship several cables from the construction site (captain, the watchman, navigator, chief officer is much cheaper if punished, then pulled onto the deck by the inspection team and shot )? And the bloodthirsty decision to use anti-ship missiles a few miles from the Kerch bridge, really to cause irreparable damage to the construction site, to use the "lightning" onboard, is a direct way to repeat the feat of the Turkish missile boat in the "Bosphorus battle" with "Khasan".
My version (like Roman, I’m not a sailor, but I have many relatives of shipbuilders, worked at hydraulic structures and shipbuilding enterprises ): "rook" from underwater friends, "patrol" of the FSB for solidity and inspection of "sane" and not so and ..... two sea tugs of ice class, on both sides of the bridge, change course insane or lost control. Expensive, of course, and even considering that the ship is not a passenger car, and tugs are constantly kept "under steam" until the 18th

[Saffron]

It’s just that the captain of this ship Erdogan does not understand Russian, this silver carp needs to be explained several times until it becomes painful

[Normal ok]

Quote: Saffron

It’s just that the captain of this ship Erdogan does not understand Russian, this silver carp needs to be explained several times until it becomes painful

Negotiations between the controller-pilot-captain are conducted mainly in English. Unless of course the captain is not Russian-speaking.

[larand]

Quote: apro

The Incident once again shows the vileness of the Ottomans ...

The incident once again showed our razp..stvo. Several times we were threatened from all sides to disrupt the construction site, and so what? Are we prepared for the reflection? In no way. Where are all the structures protecting the state from enemies?

[Tatar 174]

A couple of combat boats need to be on duty there, so that the construction is guarded ...

[Blondy]

Well, that - the evidence is irrefutable. Captain to plant according to Russian laws, to recover damage, the ship under the hammer, against the penalty. Business then. Let bloggers drive foam. Well, we swell in the forums.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Blondy

Well, that - the evidence is irrefutable.

From the point of view of jurisprudence, there is no evidence here. Only indirect ones that will not be able to influence the court decision in our favor.
A more detailed study of this emergency is required than wiretapping of only the radio.

This is if you want to prove a deliberate ram.

[Pasha]

while arrest the ship and crew
conduct an investigation and according to the results to the court for damage
or until a judicial settlement is possible, because the owner of the ship on other vessels needs to earn a point

[RUS96]

"When you deal with a Turk, don't let go of your hand" (Armenian proverb)

[chikenous59]

Quote: apro

The Incident once again shows the vileness of the Ottomans, judging by the negotiations on the air, the Ottomans deliberately went to the conflict, God forbid that the consequences of their thoughtless actions were catastrophic for their pocket.

Sit here zombie each other, no different from the censor's posters.
Everywhere you see conspiracies, you don’t even need proof of anything, you immediately begin to blame, considering it normal.

Turn on the brain, start considering alternatives.
Why is it that here 90% of readers reject the version of an unintended emergency, in view of the fact that the Turks did not understand the language, and yet, that the ship is old, decrepit, its spent resource.

About our crucifix .. food in general, only a few people said.
A strategic object and without proper protection, as if we are living in a world of peace.
Read already disgusted by such comments. We don’t want to move our brains at all. For all the news, the same firmware is installed, all comments are as in the script.

It's a shame to talk about most of our "marshals". There is no logic. Only some slogans need to be shouted out like "hurray hurray", "we are the strongest, the rest envy us" ...
Pay them for it or something on the site.

[Shark Lover]

it would be interesting to know and announce the real ranks of local marshals. You read the comments of others, namely specialists, directly interesting, informative. But most will simply write in the forefront "Glory, Glory!" etc. Well, this is by the way.
And no one in my comment noticed the Turkish trace?))) You never know. Whether there is intentionality or not there (on the bridge), we don’t understand, I think there are guys who will figure it out, so what, and no one will forgive the grandmother, especially at that level. And the level is higher, so there are our other guys. What is, I think no one doubts, they will figure it out.
By the way, I left as a major, a long time ago, in '98.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Shark Lover

it would be interesting to know and announce the real ranks of local marshals. You read the comments of others, namely specialists, directly interesting, informative. But most will simply write in the forefront "Glory, Glory!" etc. Well, this is by the way.
And no one in my comment noticed the Turkish trace?))) You never know. Whether there is intentionality or not there (on the bridge), we don’t understand, I think there are guys who will figure it out, so what, and no one will forgive the grandmother, especially at that level. And the level is higher, so there are our other guys. What is, I think no one doubts, they will figure it out.
By the way, I left as a major, a long time ago, in '98.

[SU69]

Quote: Shark Lover

It would be interesting to learn and voice the real ranks of local marshals.

and volunteers all in the Donbass.

[alone]

Quote: chikenous59

Turn on the brain, start considering alternatives.
Why is it that here 90% of readers reject the version of an unintended emergency, in view of the fact that the Turks did not understand the language, and yet, that the ship is old, decrepit, its spent resource.

But why turn on the brain? The main thing is that the ship is Turkish. It is interesting that Skororokhov would write if the ship belonged to a country that is loyal to Russia? He would write this: an unintentional state of emergency.

The alarmists got divorced here.

[Lelek]

Quote: apro

Incident once again shows the vileness of the Ottomans

And if they are not "Ottomans", but Dzhemilevites on a fire-ship with explosives? How to control the "boxes" passing under the bridge? For me, there is only one way out - to lock up all the Ukrainian ports on Azov. Or not?

[chikenous59]

Quote: Lelek

to lock all Ukrainian ports of Azov.

Have we become the masters of the world? How to take it and ban it? We are not in a fairy tale)

[siberalt]

It was late in the evening (essentially at night). It is a fact. Is there any information about the illumination of these supports or the presence of luminous buoys near them with danger warning signs. Did the captain know the technological features of the supports? I don’t think the captain did it on purpose. For there was a great risk of damaging the hull. There are a lot of misunderstandings and for an objective conclusion only recording of radio conversations will not be enough.

[chikenous59]

Quote: siberalt

It was late in the evening. It is a fact. Is there any information about the illumination of these supports and the presence of luminous buoys near them with danger warning signs. Did the captain know the technological features of the supports? I don’t think the captain did it on purpose. For there was a great risk of damaging the hull.

Try to make consider such a version of the local experts. Peck)
It’s easier for them to think when they are sure that the United States, NATO, and now Turkey in particular, are to blame.
You can always write the same thing and earn pluses from the same ...

Sorry, accumulated ...

[alicante11]

For there was a great risk of damage to the hull

If the shipowner was paid out of the pocket of the Turkish special services or NATO, then the hole in the ship's hull is not such a big price. Legal costs can be more expensive. But any court under the influence of the "world community" will acquit blindfolded only because the Turks have destroyed the object of the Russian aggressors, which should not be there at all. And the decisions of our ships will be rubbed there, so that the shipowner needs not to take the freight to Russian ports and he is not in danger.

[97110]

Quote: siberalt

Is there any information about the illumination of these supports or the presence of luminous buoys

In the negotiations, the reference to "Red Bui" is heard repeatedly.

[Mwg]

Sybarite. And if for the ship’s hull, and even for the ship itself has already been paid enough? Then - maybe intentionally, or, all the same, not?

[marlin1203]

"Mosquito" on a dry cargo ship?! .. "Ah f tar zhzhot!"

[Max_Bauder]

As a result of the attack (and this disgrace cannot be called anything else), support No. 80, piles with a diameter of 1020 mm and a length of 58 meters, deadbolts and heads were destroyed. Separately clogged piles were damaged, two neighboring supports were damaged.

the terrorist attack is real, and the Ukrainians left Crimea also a terrorist attack without light, wait more

P.S. until they hit on the head they will continue

[Mariner]

When he is not able to do anything meaningful, all that remains is to do little harm.

[Maxom75]

the conclusions are not correct. Here you have to think about something else, it is necessary to fill shallows along the bridge, so that, in principle, the ship's approach to the bridge no longer works. however, there may be a problem of ice backing in the bridge area. Well, you can put breakwaters along the bridge to cut the wave, dampen the excitement and serve as a buffer for "tough navigators". In general, work for hydrologists and bridge builders. I'm afraid I won't get off with a simple flight. I would like to see a map of soundings and fairways in the area of ​​the bridge construction, but I think it is classified as a secret.

[Michael67]

There is only one conclusion regarding the incident:
To be extremely attentive and tough (up to the use of weapons) to stop attempts to violate rules, boundaries, etc. To respond to provocations harshly. Also down to the warning light.
The Turkish by nature is cowardly. If he carefully and politely cracked his teeth, bow and crumble in thanks would be a very long time.
Here is an example:
"In September-October 1985, the Khasan Management Company, performing a training trip with cadets of the A.S. Popov VVMURE (1st and 4th faculties), at the entrance to the Bosphorus Strait," did not notice "the Turkish coast guard boat. can be seen in this photo:

https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/soustov/album/7067/view/197919

[family tree]

The third is a pattern.

Even to the end, on the fourth, he himself was shattered, and the galoshes, as new, the tendency, however, of God, you can get it too

[papas-57]

'' Well, if no one reacts to this properly, well ... Then there are Termites, Mosquitoes and other biting products that can solve the problem. Sometimes our sailors have to work it out seriously. '' The author has lost his mind! Or maybe immediately `` Topoli '' in Ankara and Istanbul, why waste time on trifles. Add to the heap on Geyrop and the United States. That will be fun. All who live will laugh.

[vkfriendly]

It is interesting that the shipping company disowned this steamhead, who owns the HZ. The conclusion is, a diversion of rogues, they paid a cap.

[derik1970]

The incident once again shows gouging of both special services and the army, border guards and everyone involved in building safety and everything else, it’s good that there are no casualties! JV Stalin is not at all those who are in charge there, or shrugs his hands ... and the fact that money will be sawed in addition during construction will not be surprised ...

[Mikhail Harichev]

How Erdogan Israel punished
November 28, 2015
The conflict between Turkey and Russia (as if because of the downed Su-24) is expanding rapidly, and now Moscow is preparing a package of economic sanctions against Erdogan, starting with a ban on the import of harmful products and ending with a ban on tourist trips. I involuntarily recall a very similar situation when in the summer of 2010 the same Erdogan was furious that the Israeli special forces attacked ...

[skrabplus.ru]

it was not difficult to guess a few gatekeepers to send to guard the bridge ... in advance ... so that without the right to leave ...

[as150505]

These basurmans still can’t calm down. And the bridge needs to be protected, otherwise provocations will repeat

[aszzz888]

It is quite obvious that the Turks wanted to spit on the Russian control system and all its requirements. They had their own plan and your route.

And you don’t need to go to the grandmother - the Ottomans deliberately made this ram. And in this story, it is very possible that the donkey ears of ukrokaklia are visible. And for the future - it is necessary to provide for such a thing, and to act faster than before.

[chikenous59]

Quote: aszzz888

It is quite obvious that the Turks wanted to spit on the Russian control system and all its requirements. They had their own plan and your route.

And you don’t need to go to the grandmother - the Ottomans deliberately made this ram. And in this story, it is very possible that the donkey ears of ukrokaklia are visible. And for the future - it is necessary to provide for such a thing, and to act faster than before.

You’d better go to the grandmother, along with most commentators on this article.

Sit here zombie each other, no different from the censor's posters.
Everywhere you see conspiracies, you don’t even need proof of anything, you immediately begin to blame, considering it normal.

Turn on the brain, start considering alternatives.
Why is it that here 90% of readers reject the version of an unintended emergency, in view of the fact that the Turks did not understand the language, and yet, that the ship is old, decrepit, its spent resource.

About our crucifix .. food in general, only a few people said.
A strategic object and without proper protection, as if we are living in a world of peace.
Read already disgusted by such comments. We don’t want to move our brains at all. For all the news, the same firmware is installed, all comments are as in the script.

[97110]

Quote: chikenous59

in view of the fact that the Turk did not understand the language ...

Imagine a Russian crew walking along the Bosphorus and not understanding the language? Nobody listens to what they talk in Turkish on the air - it is perceived as interference. In 1994, at the entrance to the Kerch-Yenikalsky Strait, he witnessed how Ukrainian border guards asked on the air in Russian: "What steamer goes from Tuapse ..." Russian sailors answered: "You mean this one, with a yellow superstructure and a blue chimney? Turks, does not understand Russian. " The border guard changed the text of the request: "What Turkish steamer with a blue pipe goes from Tuapse ...?" I'm not lying, I really heard. May 1994. Have we really adopted even this hohlot tradition, persuading the Turks on the air in Russian? You couldn't use English?

[parusnik]

And in Ukraine ... for the third day this incident is celebrating .. judging by the responses in the Ukrainian networks ... How is it .. zrada or overwhelming .. I confuse these words ..

[Alexanast]

Zradomoga or overdrive, not to be confused

[Bacha]

“Do not believe the three: don’t believe the woman, don’t believe the Turk, don’t believe the drinker. »Peter I

[inkass_98]

The casket opens simply - you need to change the rules of the passage of the strait and without fail to impose a pilot. The Turks did not officially violate anything, the current rules for ships of this class leave the captain with the right to choose - if you want to spend money on a pilot and sleep peacefully, but if you want, no. That's all.
A terrorist attack can be called anything. Skomorokhov is likened to Kabardin and begins to blow into the water. Just do not forget that ships flying Turkish flags or with the Turkish team in the Black Sea are not uncommon, and even vice versa - in the majority. Any trough of mines - the Turks will be, such is the specificity of the pool.
It is necessary to protect the fairway normally and, again, change the rules for passing the strait.

[sa-ag]

Quote: inkass_98

change the rules of passage of the strait.

And this doesn’t unilaterally change, the Turks will change the rules for the passage of the Bosphorus on a precedent, greetings to tankers from Novorossiysk

[inkass_98]

Quote: sa-ag

duck Turks rules of passage of the Bosphorus on a precedent will change

Do not confuse different things: the Bosphorus is held with the pilot without fail, only for military courts there are some concessions.
Simply, when passing the Kerch Strait, ships with a draft less than 4,5 m and a displacement of less than some tonnage (I don’t remember, I repent) take the pilot at their discretion.

[Victor Demchenko]

Quote: inkass_98

Skomorokhov is likened to Kabardin and begins to blow into the water.

I have two questions for you:
1. Was the ship in the inland waters of the Russian Federation?
2. Based on the record of negotiations, did the captain refuse to fulfill (ignore) the dispatcher's recommendations?
then why the hell do you say that Roman is likened to Kabardin? do you have few terrorist attacks in Brussels, do you want what would have exploded in our country too? got liberals! it’s necessary to crush you, you bastard, and it’s arguing here! and Roman writes correctly, you need to put a box there and, at the slightest hint of an attempt to damage the bridge under construction, take adequate measures. when trying to damage the bridge in San Francisco I don’t remember in which shaggy year the ship was shot and ... no one squealed! and here in a blatant rush and we ... и maybe it's time to use power!

[asiat_61]

The trick is that the recommendations of the coastal service are not binding. I read it at Vzglyad. It turns out and there’s no one to ask. The dispatcher said, but the Turk did as she wanted.

[inkass_98]

How many de.bil.ov bred, you can go nuts. It is necessary to be treated, dear. We didn’t drink at brotherhood, we don’t need to talk to strangers for “you”, you just show your nonsense.

[Aleksander]

Quote: inkass_98

Turks nothing did not break officially,

Officially by the rules of the Turks required go in the channel, according to nautical signs (they can do it themselves, they don’t know how, with the pilot). And this rule they are -violated.
PS If there is intent, the pilot will not prevent anything - this is not special forces.

[Bureaucrat]

They should arrest the cargo ship until they compensate the amount of damage, while for a downtime in our harbor at the time of arrest, it is not childish to fight.

[Victor Demchenko]

this trough, at best, when handing over for scrap will be estimated at 50 lyamov our village, and so what? in my opinion, it is easier to set up protection both cheaper and calmer. why now even the provincial stations are guarded quite seriously, and here such a construction and ... In general, there is only one conclusion:
to put protection on and to the one who slaped - by cap and into the national economy, as a janitor, if he confirms professional suitability!

[Andrey NM]

So the first ship appeared - a candidate for flooding as a barrier in a dangerous area ...

[sisa29]

By your logic, if everyone drowns, then we are the first in the queue.
Here fellow countrymen for the New Year became famous. They cut the serpentine, could not get between the buoys.
The cargo ship "Ivan Bobrov" (home port - Arkhangelsk) followed from British Ipswich to Riga and passed through the Danish Öresund Strait in the morning of January 1. According to the Danish television channel TV-2, the ship deviated from the course, after which the Danish maritime search and rescue service contacted him on the radio, who suspected that the crew of the bulk carrier might be drunk. The police called to the site found that the level of alcohol in the blood of the captain, his assistant and senior mechanic exceeds the permissible norm of 0,5 ppm by Danish law. Three out of nine crew members were arrested, the vessel, at the request of Danish law enforcement officers, anchored in the port of Elsinore.

[Victor Demchenko]

So what? to deprive these rams of navigation rights and all matters. and it will be right if the shipowner also strips ALL losses from these woodpeckers. maybe the brains of others will turn on! because of vodka about. shit .or USSR, and here we can! sorry for the highlight modders! did not pick up other words.

[Nymp]

Interestingly hohlopressa on this occasion probably arranged a holiday on the air? And the captain of the Turkish trough was appointed to the heroes of the Maidan?

[VP]

We are damaging them no less, the damage from our actions (both financial, and geopolitical and reputational) is far more widespread than damage to a pair of supports of a temporary technological bridge.

[oracul]

We do not shit them, but answer. These are two big differences. Judging by your remark, you have a different opinion. Well, God bless him, stay with yours.

[VP]

I always liked people who, in principle, lack irony, a person who always perceives everything seriously, seriously evokes respect. And a smile.

[Ros 56]

So move to Turkey, what are you grazing here, and you will be happy.

[VP]

Where do you "go" or are you quick-witted?

[tundra]

The Turks must be taken more seriously .......
Wet them, not allowing them to get out of the toilet.
It will be cheaper.

[Good cat]

Small dirty tricks that the Turks that Svidomo.

[pv1005]

They built a bridge. Appointed a director, chief accountant and cashier, hired a watchman (to protect a strategic object). Everything works, everything is great. But chew, optimization. Guess who reduced (optimized) if it is not a cashier? Look.

[koksalek]

Just wondering if our ship in America crashed into their bridge, would the Americans also silently swallow it all?

[97110]

Quote: koksalek

would the Americans also silently swallow it all?

Most likely they would have arrested the vessel before receiving guarantees for covering losses - not even money. A confirmation from the insurance company would be sufficient. IMHO.

[33 Watcher]

Could this incident have been prevented? Probably not.

How is it not? The border boat and a couple of tugboats at the entrance to the strait on duty, that's all. They can’t walk by themselves, carry out tugboats, and bill for services.

As a result of the attack (and this disgrace cannot be called anything else)

Well, it’s still necessary to investigate, maybe his connection is messing up, or maybe the captain speaks poorly languages, because in English there. negotiations were ongoing, as I understand it ..?
In general, of course, behind the Turks, an eye is needed. And it is necessary to guard the entire construction site. Where is the coast guard? On what FSBshnikam boats built with saunas?

[oracul]

Unless otherwise proven, this is disgrace. Moreover, if you believe the information, with the complicity of clever men from the Ministry of Transport, who determined that ships of similar dimensions can go without a pilot. There is a check for carelessness. Further option. We start an even smaller ship with explosives, and when the bridge is built, go without a pilot and modestly crash into a support. And there are big problems. No indiscriminate witch hunt is needed, but a demonstration inherent in our mentality, naivety and innocence, which is worse than theft, is not permissible. Without planning, thought-out organization of business, personnel selection and systematic control, management does not exist even under socialism, even under capitalism.

[sa-ag]

"... Then there are Termites, Mosquitoes and other biting items that can solve the problem."
You came up with this great idea, otherwise you see how the Turks are breaking their brains how to block the fairway? :-)

[Chak]

Build a strategic bridge without cover !!! Lavrenty Palych turned over in his grave! Guys, how can this be so ??? In the Sea of ​​Azov, Ukrainians are still hanging out ...

[Alexander 3]

This can happen again and what can be protected? What is the machine gun really set up? Take this vessel from the Turks.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, a permanent headache for the protection of the bridge under construction is guaranteed. I just can’t imagine how it will be organized (not a sailor), but it should be. And then the next time the Turks will push a barge with some saltpeter. Five hundred tons of TNT.

[97110]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Five hundred tons of TNT.

In Mariupol I saw "St. Peter" under loading, then his photograph on the shore near the Bosphorus, broken in half. Along Azov, he carries 9 thousand to the strait, there he used to load up to 25 at anchorages. There are still such "old men".

[chikenous59]

What we are naive is also patient, polite.
After each incident, we think that this will not happen again.
In fact, what prevented a fire at least from the water for warning?

[Korsar4]

Thank you for extracting from the audio recording.

[poma]

It looks like a planned action, and so you need to carefully understand it. And make effective conclusions.

[Alex_59]

For example, you must agree that a single MRK of the "Lightning" type, patrolling the water area of ​​construction, could easily solve all the problems.

Not MRK, but RCA. He could not solve any problems. If a Turk decided to become a banzai kamikaze, no rocket boat would have hindered him. Our missile boat must, apparently, closely watch and accompany everyone passing through the straits - there will not be enough boats there. And what should he do if the Turk rushes to the support? Lie under the stem of this multi-ton colossus and die? Shoot him with an AK-176? Don't tell me, such a steamer from Ak-176 will not stop and sink, type Chinese seiners from these 176 on YouTube as border guards - they do not sink even after dozens of hits, and these are seiners. It's just that hysteria in the world media will be added to the destroyed pillars with headlines - "Russian barbarians shot a peaceful Turkish cargo ship, as a result of which it crashed into the pillars of a bridge under construction." It's scary to talk about the shooting of Mosquitoes in a closed water area with dense civil traffic - the same Victory ferry with our citizens can easily become a victim if the Mosquito GOS decides that Victory looks more like an enemy aircraft carrier than the Turks.

[97110]

Quote: Alex_59

He could not solve any problems

I agree. Only bureaucracy will save. Introduce pilotage - at least there will be a witness to a deliberate bulk. Only how to ensure the safety of the pilot?

[pts-m]

The Turks wanted to conduct a free test of the supports of the passage of the Kerch Strait, but did not grow together. It’s necessary to pay, although they can even hit the horn like a ruin with a return on debt.

[1536]

The people building the bridge to Crimea have not yet realized that they are at war. The foreman of the builders who built the Olympic Sochi excitedly tells how he still managed to work on the BAM, or saw how it was being built, I don’t remember exactly. But BAM is a construction site of the Soviet era, when there was peace and friendship between peoples, Sochi was guarded as a military facility. And what about the bridge? Again the thought that the Ukrainians have this temporary, that they are our brothers and sisters, and the Turks are the best friends of brothers and sisters? By the way, this Dzhemilev fulfilled all the norms of international law. He publicly, a few months before the start of hostilities, announced the beginning of a war with Russia. And what, it was impossible to put at least a border boat on the fairway? And now we have to lay minefields, nets, etc. Or will we wait for the next "Turkish tanker"? And when we build the bridge, when the trains go along it, will the Turks stop fighting with us, and will the "brothers and sisters" love us again? No. It will not happen. This means that the bridge to Crimea is the Road of Life, exactly the same one that was laid across Lake Ladoga to besieged Leningrad in September 1941. No more and no less!

[V.ic]

Establish a "fortress" minefield. After self-detonation of the first intruder, the number of "stupid" captains will sharply decrease.

[alex-712]

Quote: Observer 33

Could this incident have been prevented? Probably not.

How is it not? The border boat and a couple of tugboats at the entrance to the strait on duty, that's all. They can’t walk by themselves, carry out tugboats, and bill for services.

As a result of the attack (and this disgrace cannot be called anything else)

Well, it’s still necessary to investigate, maybe his connection is messing up, or maybe the captain speaks poorly languages, because in English there. negotiations were ongoing, as I understand it ..?
In general, of course, behind the Turks, an eye is needed. And it is necessary to guard the entire construction site. Where is the coast guard? On what FSBshnikam boats built with saunas?

He can’t just mess up the connection there, almost everything is duplicated there, but he made fun of English, he’s obligatory in a sailor from the first year.
Do not go to the fortuneteller, the Ottomans mischief, they play on the nerves.

[Viktor fm]

In such cases, an analogy always arises. The tale is as follows. The lass comes to the grandmother, complains - my husband is always drunk, pounding me mercilessly and regularly meets with other women. In general, he is a bastard and is to blame for everything. To which the grandmother of the lass said - your husband is not guilty of anything against you, but you are guilty of not understanding people. After all, his such behavior was before meeting you. So it is with Turkey. She behaves like this for centuries. And the fact that she regularly abandons us is our own fault.

[Dynamic systems]

Quote: sa-zz

Pick up this vessel on account of repayment, captain for community service. The author verbs the topic, a security system is needed. And what in general, our naval department issued a decree that this place can be passed without a pilot? Maybe I don’t understand something?

Most likely the vessel costs much less than the damage done. The Turk again stupidly climbed where he wanted and with ... he wanted to all calls Traffic Control. Remember how the same Turk stupidly barged against our ship anchored. Even then, it was necessary to soak the Turk, because all his maneuvers were a threat, and the MPPSS and other maritime laws were on our side.
Now about the crossing. This is a strategic object and in the current conditions it must be protected. 100% puncture of our officials. But 100% no one will answer for this except the Turk, but it is a pity.

[colonel manuch]

THE CAPTAIN'S JUDGMENT, "TO TAKE THE POSITION (IF IT'S WORTH IT!) THE TURK IS STRICTLY WARNED, WELL AND IF YOU WILL BE, THEN ALL COURTS WILL BE DRIVING BY RUSSIAN PILOTS THROUGH THE BOSPHORUS !.

[Saffron]

Even if the ownership of the vessel is denied, it has already been arrested and judging by the dimensions and condition of the vessel, its value should be enough to cover the damage

[Victor Demchenko]

a very big question on the cost of the court. I can confidently say that this option was calculated by the shipowner, and he already had grandmother for the pelvis surpassed the same kakly and dzhamilev. so not a fact.

[Cap.Morgan]

REMEMBERED HOW TO ...
Realistically recorded conversation between Spaniards and Americans on the frequency "Extreme situations at sea" of the navigation channel 106 in the Finisterre Strait (Galicia). October 16, 1997

Spaniards: (background noise) ... says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving directly at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.

Americans: (background noise) ... we advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us.

Spaniards: The answer is no. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south into
collision avoidance.

Americans (other voice): The captain of the ship of the United States of America speaks to you. Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.

Spaniards: We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate; we advise you to turn south by 15 degrees so as not to crash into us.

Americans (in elevated tones): CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD SAYS WITH YOU, COMMANDER OF THE USS LINCOLN AIRCRAFT, Navy OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SECOND LARGE OF THE SHIP. We are escorted by 2 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 4 submarines and numerous support ships. I DO NOT "ADVISE" YOU, I "ORDER" TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE FOR 15 DEGREES IN THE NORTH. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP. PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!!!

Spaniards :: This is Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara speaking to you. We are 2 people. We are accompanied by our dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and a canary who is now asleep. We are supported by the radio station "Cadena Dial de La Coruna" and channel 106 "Extreme situations at sea". We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and are the A-853 lighthouse of the Finisterre strait on the Galician coast of Spain. We have no idea what place we occupy in size among the Spanish lighthouses. You can take whatever steps you think are necessary and do whatever you want to ensure the safety of your ship, which will crash to smithereens on the rocks. Therefore, once again we strongly recommend that you
do the most meaningful thing: change your course to 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.

Americans: ok thanks

[Victor Demchenko]

listened in the original. neighing to tears. especially from the change in the tone of the americos, when it came to him ... one word - woodpecker.

[Alexandr2637]

Quote: Viktor Demchenko

and here in a blatant rush and we ..

And we, as always, wiped ourselves out, sighed, muttered something inaudible under our breath ...
When will our government ripen for a tough response to the provocateurs?

[Tatar 174]

It will never ripen ...

[okunevich_rv]

I agree that the strategic object should have appropriate protection, however, the bridge supports from the bulk must be protected with artificial shallows and concrete structures. Shooting of ships in such cases is unacceptable in my opinion, an uncontrolled ship will not stop its movement, inertia will do its job. The arrest of the ship and crew for the period of the check on the fact of the bulk is simply obligatory.

[iomoe]

a strange kind of "stab in the back" - to shit with your vessel on the pile of an unfinished bridge.

[asiat_61]

This is not a mess, it’s a test of communication.

[thinker]

A detailed analysis of the situation here - https://cont.ws/post/231804

In 2015, the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation issued order No. 313, which freed ships with a draft of up to 4,5 meters or a length of up to 140 meters from pilotage in the Kerch Strait. It was in accordance with this order that Kara Kazim did not take the pilot ...
Strengthening the protection of the strait is all the more likely that not everything in the case of the Turkish cargo ship is obvious and understandable. For example, on March 24, a statement by the head of the port operations department of Turkuaz Shipping Corp, Jemal Kaya, was suddenly published, in which he said that the ship “Lira” “is not in our company. We checked all our documents and were convinced of this "...

[Zomanus]

Well, this is our flaw, I think so.
From the very first day of construction, it was necessary to introduce mandatory pilotage
and escort of vessels passing in the construction area.
Just someone did not think about it or decided not to strain.
And what about the Turks, so maybe they don’t care about our dispatchers' recommendations.
According to the latest news, the owner of the vessel refused it, sort of like ...

[Kenneth]

The confiscation of the vessel and its auctioning will completely cover the costs

[72jora72]

A petition appeared on the website of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko

.....Beer! A couple more! Moscow seamstress, Moscow seamstress! Abyrvalg!(C)

[ABAZA]

You can turn your back on the enemy only in one case - to conduct a throw.

[Victor Demchenko]

and before that - unsettle the enemy ...
from the teachings of the master Aiki-jutsu.

[Stauffenberg]

It is very difficult to understand the logic of those who laugh about the attack of the Turkish trough. Thank God that this happened now, when the bridge has not yet been built. Imagine if he was carrying a ton of explosives? And would it explode when a stream of cars, buses and trains was walking along the bridge? Let us be bad Russians, but every bastard who comes closer to the pillars must be destroyed. And at the same time, you can shoot Jamilev.

[Kenneth]

They are not completely jerked. This is a direct cause for war. And a ton of explosives can be put on any Khokhlyat’s layba. But the supports will be protected, you will not approach them. You can explode in the aisle, but here the damage is still less

[Kenneth]

They are not completely jerked. This is a direct cause for war. And a ton of explosives can be put on any Khokhlyat’s layba. But the supports will be protected, you will not approach them. You can explode in the aisle, but here the damage is still less

[Nikolay K]

It is very difficult to understand those who, with foam at the mouth, offer to organize the defense of the bridge, starting from the pier and ending with minefields, but without even realizing that we are talking about the support of the TEMPORARY bridge, which will be dismantled when the main bridge is commissioned.

[Alexander S.]

Only one problem - we still absolutely no one understands that we are in a state of war ... which we officially announced .. and constantly remind us of this.

[VeterS]

Dozens of Ukrainian guest workers who took part in the ATO and destroyed our people in the Donbass are working on the construction of the bridge. Who are they now, what are their thoughts and thoughts in their heads? Who knows? With our stubborn striving for criminal complacency and crucifixion, I will not be surprised if "STROYKA VEKA", ie. bridge on its opening day stupidly take off.

[Baloo]

One might predict that Turkey will be followed by other steps unfriendly? Can. One would expect aggressive action on our "construction of the century"? Can. Especially because the faithful dog of Turkish special services Dzhemilev openly said that we declare war on the sea.

I’m not a competent person in such events, but I suppose that something is necessary to protect the navigable canal from the supports of the bridge. Or maybe the experience of the Second World War will tell you something? Judge the captain according to the laws of the Russian Federation (+ recover damages) seriously and permanently. So long that candy wrappers for this diversion he would never need.

[Dmitriy51]

Hmm ... again the special services and the protection of the area overslept.
And do not think that this could not have been foreseen. Only the lazy did not trumpet about possible "actions" on the bridge.
The bottom line? The result, as always, "oh, what is it, Mikhalych?"

Whether they will draw conclusions from this or not, we will see in the near future.
Another thing is that no one will probably climb into the supports or something like that on a steamer. But the imaginary for "them" works somehow faster than ours. Unfortunately.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Dmitriy51

Hmm ... again the special services and the protection of the area overslept.

What overslept? There is a peaceful cargo ship in Taganrog. Well, he's a little dumb. Idiocy is not a crime. He’s walking, walking and drove a little off the road. Household in its purest form. What, for every idiot who goes through the bridge, should the KGB officer put chtoli?

[Tatar 174]

This is where it says that he is peaceful? When the war, everything peaceful is mobilized, and they indirectly declared war on us when they shot down our plane! Many are right - it is necessary to drown on the way, especially since in our territorial waters! We are liberal! What if this "peaceful trough" was thrown into the bottom of it several tons of explosives? Where are our warships, why aren't they guarding? Once, a couple of shots would be fired from a cannon in the direction of the offender after a warning and no unnecessary conversations.

[vladimirvn]

Well? Turks need to say thanks for the lesson. It’s better to get it now, at the construction stage, than later, with a ready-made bridge.

[Kolyma_]

Turks are undoubtedly enemies.
But, how could the possibility of an attack be allowed? Those. the security system is either not thought out or not supported. Today ship, tomorrow kamikaze, etc. Absurd.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Kolyma_

Today ship, tomorrow kamikaze, etc. Absurd.

it is sad that the idea of ​​a kamikaze would only recently provoke a series of caustic remarks) Today this is not even a metaphor. How things are changing fast, however.

[Bashibuzuk]

An interesting movie - who is to blame and what to do?
From the article itself is not clear, or what?
Who is Kerch traffic? With what fright does this traffic command the passage of narrownesses?
Well, I’m sure that it’s not from floundering bay!
What is a captain, or as he can now be correctly called, the waters of the Kerch Strait.
There is a government agency managing the TRAFFIC of ships in the strait. The state structure has a boss, but how.
There are a bunch of instructions and documents, including international ones.
There is, I am sure, a mechanism of influence on the reckless .... who without pilots can not.
There are, after all, maritime inspections that can turn all this Kerch traffic out with their fur. And then screw back.
And - now we will ask - who is to blame and what to do?
Offended by the Turks.
...
We are building a bridge of strategic importance there!
And the safety of the bridge and construction was left to the Traffic-Kerch.
What do you want after that?
...
Shame on you.
One word - a joke about the American warrant and the Spanish lighthouse.
And here - the Kerch station and the Turkish captain.

[97110]

Quote: Bashibuzuk

There is a government agency managing the TRAFFIC of ships in the strait. The state structure has a boss, but how.

And there is a call sign on the air. Or command me to read the WHOLE title, ending with DAM?

[pacific]

Ship traffic control systems exist all over the world and the implementation of their instructions is MANDATORY (!) For all skippers (captains and navigators). And need very weighty arguments so that this instruction is not consciously executed.
So, KERCH-Traffic (and this is the call sign of the traffic controller in the Kerch Strait) really commands the movement of ships in the strait.

So, your philippics, dear Bashibuzuk, are rather unprofessional. Which is generally not surprising, as navigation is a very specific area of ​​activity.

[Bashibuzuk]

Well, both of you got into trouble that the Pacific is 97110.
Clever men, damn it, turned up.
...
Have you at least answered my question?
Issued a break, like dumb students?
...
You guys seem to have not learned to read. Not to mention - between the lines.

...
My philippics are unprofessional ... burst my eyes ... who would say?
I drove boats along the Don in the Murmansk-130 bay. Into the fog.
And at that time you had gyus hanging up to the water there.
So - our professional, Pacific ... go get some tea.
On the klotik.
And then climb to the knock.
Between the cleaning of the paws. Anchors.
...
...
We bought it ...- someone like that Kerch-traffic ...... boy, damn it.
..
Then what is written - read .... SURE ...
if you read instructions like that ... ohhhh

[Aliv]

Our officials are beside themselves with happiness. The Turks worked as they should. Now it will be like in the movie. Two suede jackets, two imported tape recorders .... How much money will be written off to repair the poles? Now they will suddenly find some more damage. But no one will crush money from the Turks and never will. Again we will pay for everything in someone’s pocket, as we did in Chechnya.

[Pvi1206]

You can’t turn your back on the Turks in general and Turkey in particular. Will be punished.

To what extent should Russia not respect itself in order to be afraid of the Turks !?
Always beat, and beat this time.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: Pvi1206

To what extent should Russia not respect itself in order to be afraid of the Turks !?

well, we are not talking about "fear of Turks", I think.
And no one is safe from mistakes in navigation)

[Pinkie F.]

For some reason, the Anek radio talks reminded of two lifeguards with a megaphone and beer:
- Boat number 99, do not swim for buoys!
- What are you, bro, what a 99, we have only 70 boats!
- Ah ... Ehh ... Boat number 66, are you all right?

[Mikhail Harichev]

Is it really already, people? You just need to make a corridor of mines along the fairway.

[garnik64]

Just along the fairway make a corridor of mines.

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: garnik64

Just along the fairway make a corridor of mines.

[Winter cherry]

You can just out of the buoys at least.

[vlavek]

Quote: garnik64

Just along the fairway make a corridor of mines.

They brought us tomatoes

[Million]

Now Türkiye has also joined the pack of dogs set against Russia by the states.

[garnik64]

She was always the first in this pack.

[Mikhail Harichev]

Jokes aside, the construction site must be protected very seriously, and after the construction of the bridge, all movement of foreigners in the area of ​​the bridge must be prohibited. Although you can buy ours too. Let the experts think, but we need to come up with something. One thing is good, the Turks hurried, they would have stuck into the finished bridge, no one knows how it would have ended.

[Ros 56]

Jokes aside, the construction site must be protected very seriously, and after the construction of the bridge, all movement of foreigners in the area of ​​the bridge must be prohibited. Although you can buy ours too. Let the experts think, but we need to come up with something. One thing is good, the Turks hurried, they would have stuck into the finished bridge, no one knows how it would have ended.

[Baloo]

At VO, one of my colleagues claimed that there was 80 meters of mud in this area. Is 50 meter supports not enough?

[ALJEBRAIL]

An airplane, a bridge to a ram, what’s next??? How long can you smooth out the provocations of the Turks and other riffraff??? Everyone to the bottom...

[Nasty]

Quote: Darkmor

And in my opinion, we are starting a massive insanity on the theme of universal conspiracies.
How do we conclude that this is a terrorist attack by Turkey? Out of 2 facts - the support of the (temporary) bridge is damaged and the tanker is registered in Turkey. Everything - there are no more facts, everything else is a bunch of conjectures, searches for an external enemy, theses "and I spoke", Vanga's predictions, etc.

With the same success, it can be argued that the Tajik, who brought down a Jew in an accident in Moscow, was an ISIS agent who reached Israel on the territory of a foreign state.

I will replace the pile, the money for this will be removed from the company of the owner of the tanker, this will not affect the pace of construction. That’s the whole incident.

There is a war going on against us, and we have not posted a guard during the construction of a strategic facility. Couldn't there be Islamist suicide bombers on ships? Or they were paid well, and all they had to do was put their feet firmly “on the dashboard”, in general, it was safe.

[Victor Demchenko]

firstly: we are not talking about a tanker, but about a dry cargo ship.
secondly: the owner stated that this particular vessel was not on his lists.
thirdly: dear, before writing on the forum, be so kind as to surf the Internet a little and study the material on the topic. the amateurs got it. they hear the ringing and ... they ring all over Ivanovskaya. damn guru.

[Holsten]

It is necessary to treat the Kerch Bridge as the strategic object that it is. The next Turkish cargo ship will accidentally carry a cargo of something explosive and accidentally explode in the right place.

[Every]

Quote: Voha_krim

Well, it seems that the seething of the masses about the incident with the bridge has slightly subsided.

On the website of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko appeared a petition with a request to ban the construction of the Kerch bridge.

http://vz.ru/news/2016/3/24/801533.html

I wonder who will ban and, most importantly, who will listen to them.

[Prutkov]

It was lucky that the bridge was unfinished. If there was a functioning one.... Therefore, measures to protect and defend the bridge must be taken. About the ship. The Turkish company does not seem to recognize the ship as its own... Therefore, there is only one slob captain left, from whom there is nothing to take, unless there is some kind of contraband on the ship, say drugs...

[Bogdanov Artem]

This is certainly not a terrorist attack, but it is definitely a warning. Like, “What are you guys doing, are you building a bridge? Well done, well done. We accidentally passed by a buoy here, and a little bit of the pile, that one... was scratched. It’s good that the bridge is still unfinished, traffic is not open. But imagine if it were open. And there's a bit of explosive on the cargo ship, but again by accident, past the buoy. No bridge, no buoy. Sorry, we were by accident, but you still leave Syria completely, on the buoy." That's what Ottomans are like.

[evgenii57]

Mandatory paid presence of our pilot. And now we can’t let it go. It is advisable to promote it in full and collect such an amount that it would be disgraceful. MRK Molniya no. There is RKA Molniya. This is so true.

[Mama_Cholli]

Residents of the Southeast could best secure the Crimean Bridge in the future.
If the entire coast of the Azov Sea to the Crimea were under their control, then the Turks would have nothing to do there.

[Seraphimamur]

Why is the bridge under construction not guarded? Today this abortion victim rammed a bridge support in an old trough, and tomorrow the ISIS fighters could actually blow him up!

[iouris]

The bridge's safety system is in poor condition. Thanks to the Turks, we poked our nose into the problem. The price of a mistake is 120 million wooden ones. There could be more.

[DimerVladimer]

You started to worry early about the terrorist attack on a Turkish cargo ship - the usual carelessness in the Turkish commercial fleet. I once watched how a Turkish sailor almost burned a catamaran with 300 passengers while cooking fish on a baking sheet over an open fire, which spread to oil and only selfless fire extinguishing by the entire crew saved the ship from serious trouble - this is carelessness, and in this particular case, the captain saved on the pilot.

You have to be an idiot to intentionally cause damage to a technical bridge - the damage is negligible, most likely the ship received damage to a much greater amount than the stationary structures of the auxiliary bridge. To look for the underlying reason in this is to suffer from a neurotic disorder (do you see conspiracies everywhere? increased anxiety? sweating? - see a specialist!). Will this incident delay the construction timeline? Yes - for a maximum of a week. The damage is negligible - well, break 2 piles (representing a standard 1020 mm pipe).

Measures to eliminate this are pilotage support for all vessels.

But when the stationary supports are erected, the design requires measures to protect the supports from the pile-up of ships, because this ship could turn out to be a real fire ship, and the damage would be colossal.

[iouris]

This ship is worth nothing at all. And the timing of the bridge’s commissioning is of strategic importance.

[DimerVladimer]

oh well - it’s strategic :))
The economics are still going anywhere - so that the tourist does not stand in traffic jams at the ferry crossing.
It’s just that in the press, journalists know how to write scandalous headlines and presented a training incident as an attempt on the construction of a bridge - so all the hot heads “got excited”, spring is the season of exacerbations of mental illness...

[Victor Demchenko]

You are a very calm comrade. Aren't you the sent Cossack?! Thank God I didn’t fight at 41, my grandfather and father had to. But from my grandfather’s stories, I remember very well those instructions when our General Staff squealed in response to direct provocation: do not open fire, do not respond to provocations. the only one who gave in to this bullshit of the General Staff was the People's Commissar for Military and Marine Admiral of the USSR Fleet Kuznetsov, who gave the order to FULL COMBAT READINESS OF THE FLEET allowed us to avoid huge losses at sea! so there is no need to reassure us, but the kakly have declared war on us, and hence the conclusion: ALL UNFRIENDLY ACTIONS MUST BE CONSIDERED EXACTLY military actions. If I'm wrong, try to prove it. just WITHOUT GETTING PERSONAL, AND WITHOUT swearing, PLEASE. I'm tired of woodpeckers.

[vladimirw]

It’s kind of strange that all this is happening here. The plane was shot down; it turns out that it was not armed with air-to-air missiles.
People died, they were declared Heroes, right. But who was punished for not arming the plane, that he was flying alone and not in a pair?! I did not hear.
Now the steamboat is ramming our bridge; before this they tried to arrange a collision at sea. Tell me, would an order be given from above to control and protect our facilities from the Turks? Apparently not, and again no one is guilty. Of course, the ship needs to be seized for damages, but so should the captain. Let him sit down for a couple, three years. This is war, even if the Turks did not declare it.
If our rulers had studied history not on the Internet, then they would have known for sure that the Turks are our “bosom” enemies and this is a historical fact.

[iouris]

You can’t just plant a Turkish capudan. We must punish our own people for losing their vigilance. I think that the initiative will be taken up and sabotage will continue.

[prior]

Close the passage for the Turks and Ukrainians. All prisoners and thieving officials for the construction of the Caspian - Indian Ocean canal. Oh, how we need prisoners... and the mustachioed construction manager.

[Victor Demchenko]

better than Lavrentiy... he was a very good manager!

[Turkir]

There is an old story about an eternally drunken bell ringer who constantly fell from the bell tower. When he was alive for the first time, everyone said it was an accident. When the second is a coincidence. The third is a pattern.

The third fall is already a habit. That's what the bell ringer himself told me...

[dogens]

First, give up the word Terrorist act and stick to the word sabotage. A terrorist attack is an act of intimidation. But as far as I know, the bridge was not afraid and proudly remained standing in its place.

Next, I have a question about who is in charge of this bridge now. Especially a technical bridge. If I understand correctly, such bridges are subsequently dismantled and not handed over to the customer. That is, the owner of the bridge today is the one who is carrying out the work. He is also the victim. Now, patriotism is patriotism, but given that I was interested in detail about how the design documentation was developed, or rather, how the competition was held, like other tenders for the construction of a bridge. And the biggest damage for us will be... when... the construction organization is given some kind of compensation from the budget. And these supports are probably priced at the price of gold.
And then there’s the question of who was supposed to organize security. As a strategic object like the Russian Federation. And as for the technical bridge being built, it’s probably the performer himself.
Although I admit that regardless of internal problems, for any external challenge we must have a clear, firm position aimed at protecting our interests.
But still refuse the word terrorist attack.

[pacific]

Quote: alicante11

And how do you explain the fact that the Turk-cap was stupid for twenty minutes in negotiations with the dispatcher and did not follow any of his instructions? Probably admired the technical genius of our bridge builders and decided to take a closer look?

The Turks are also stupid in their Bosporus and “forget” about their PRDS controllers.
The author is right - you cannot turn your back on the Turks. But the safety system of the hydraulic structure must be organized passively, so that even if we could get close, it would only be on an inflatable boat.
Extremely unpleasant, but not exceptional navigation accident (that’s exactly what it’s called in these terms). But there is no need to inflate the situation into an analogy of the blockade of Port Arthur by fire ships.
But what we really should be afraid of is Turkey’s numerous “responses” to our ships when they pass through the Black Sea straits. A chain of arrests of ships of Russian shipowners in Turkish waters under the most flimsy pretexts is quite real.

[ametist415]

This is a purely navigational incident, there is no politics involved. The captain of the ship doesn’t have to go specially in the direction of a navigational hazard to break through his ship, and then the shipowner fires him for being unsuitable for his position. And the shipowner has no fucking interest in paying for this fucking support, for ship repairs and loss of freight.
The article is the nonsense of a fucking provocateur.

[DimerVladimer]

I agree - schizoid nonsense.
But pay attention to how the magazines presented it and how many hotheads reacted to this trivial matter...

[oxotnuk86]

Quote: Alex_59

Quote: Dmitriy51

Hmm ... again the special services and the protection of the area overslept.

What overslept? There is a peaceful cargo ship in Taganrog. Well, he's a little dumb. Idiocy is not a crime. He’s walking, walking and drove a little off the road. Household in its purest form. What, for every idiot who goes through the bridge, should the KGB officer put chtoli?

I also remembered the USSR Ulyanovsk, night, the cruise ship stupidly went into the wrong span under the bridge over the Volga. Result: 3 decks were cut off, a lot of corpses. So maybe a cap. the Turk is not adequate.

[Moskal 55]

The ship has been arrested. They will charge them more than the cost of this support. As long as there are only supports, it’s problematic to do a lot of mischief in construction. But it is definitely necessary to install lighting and passive protection for the structure. For the fact that the Turks pointed this out to us so convincingly in advance, we can thank them, at least this captain.
And directly about the article: it is better, of course, to be too careful than to be too careful, but not to the same extent.

[sergeyzzz]

12 lyams or a confiscated ship is not a bad sum for two broken rusty pipes. What is there to break spears about, we need to seek payment of a fine or sell the ship.

[ALJEBRAIL]

The problem is that no one will reimburse anything...They reimbursed a lot for the downed plane??? Conclusion: All watercraft that pose a real threat to a strategic facility will go to the bottom...

[xomaNN]

This Turkish incident will play into the hands of the Russian Federation: the regime for passing the Kerch Strait can be tightened: ONLY WITH PILOTS (and take more money), etc. The Sea of ​​Azov has become almost internal and other restrictions can be invented. And the protective structures of the bridge piles and supports are certain.

[Konstantin Yu]

I think that the construction of the bridge and the bridge itself will be the object of plans for attacks by various freaks. Some will say “Oh, not on purpose”, some will say “hey, the weather is like this”, some will “want the best”.......All of them to the fullest. Blunt the tanker - say goodbye to the tanker, the plane - to the plane, the boat - to the bottom, the car - overboard... forever, to be hacked to death: You approach the bridge - there will be no mercy. Somehow no one goes into the volcano for barbecue.

[pafegosoff]

Come on!
The usual sloppiness. On the Volga they periodically drive into bridges. To the Trinity Bridge on the Neva... Cars are piled up on the railway. paths overpasses. You can completely forget about incidents during crossings. What about plane crashes? They go towards disaster with the tenacity of a kimikaze. Nothing will stop. The last Arab airplane circled for two hours before crashing, although it would have reached Krasnodar in 30 minutes. And how many stupidly sleep-deprived, stoned and drunk drivers of vehicles, including watercraft?
Here you need to make allowances for fools, as at crossings with rising slabs. And they promise to install them on permanent structures.
And the Turks... We have the same percentage of our own idiots.

[X Y Z]

Somehow I have little faith that Turkey will be left completely without our tourists. Of course, objectively, there will be a decrease in tourist flow, but the headless will still break through in a roundabout way, and there is no complete ban on flights. On the contrary, permits have already begun to be issued. In short, Turkey will be provided with hostages by the summer and may decide to do some more “pranks.”

[Romanenko]

Place the patrol ship at the target and “step left, step right - an attempt to escape - from a multi-barreled gun across the course, but if he doesn’t understand - in the face, by the way, it’s a good idea to look - didn’t they drop anything from the side of the Lyra into the fairway?

[Konstantin Yu]

New reality: buimina warning, buimina prevention, buimina verdict....

[morprepud]

But it seems to me, just “CLOSE” the strait for “Lyra”! In case of violation, “arrest” in full!

[msm]

For safety, it is much cheaper to build a couple of islands on stilts on each side of the bridge and place replacement crews there. Seriously arm it, equip it with alarm and detection systems. Give an order - in case, kill the reptiles without looking back!

[vvv-73]

They are already writing that the Turks have abandoned their trough.

[Navy7981]

And I am convinced - a terrorist attack. 25 years of acquaintance with the Russian North for the captain and crew, and enthusiasts like them will significantly reduce their ranks.
And then the Turks ask, why don’t you love us???

[kig]

The author's zeal is understandable, but I'm afraid the pathos seems excessive. Here is a photo of the damage posted on Facebook. In addition, the Turk is not alone, it turns out:


http://ankerch-crimea.ru/page/news/111880/

The collision of the Turkish cargo ship Lira with the supports of the Kerch Bridge under construction, which occurred on March 19, 2016, was the third in a row. Before this, a river-sea class vessel and a ferry had already crashed into the supports.

Maybe we should wait for the results of the investigation? The captain could simply have been in an inadequate state. Looking for malicious intent is completely stupid. The company that owns the ship is not state-owned but private. Any private owner will hang himself for a couple of dollars, but here he faces a rather large fine. In fact, there were two Georgian citizens in the Lyra crew. We should find out the author’s opinion - maybe we should dig in this direction?

[Master 2008]

I am a sea captain, I worked for 5 years in the Main Dispatch Office of the port of St. Petersburg, I also had work experience as Deputy Head of the Maritime Security Department of the port of St. Petersburg. I comment on the dispatcher’s negotiations and other actions that led to the collapse of the Turkish bulk carrier LIRA. I rate the dispatcher’s actions as a solid two. I rate the marine units of the border troops of the FSB of Russia as two! The fact is that the entire bridge construction area must be declared a special navigation zone and no one should be allowed into the port or into this area without a pilot. This should be reported to the Black Sea Inspectorate. The border boat should have approached the cargo ship and warned about the opening of fire and fired a warning shot. This also needs to be documented between the Ministry of the Merchant Marine of the Russian Federation and the FSB.
Provocations will continue unless strict measures are taken.

[morprepud]

I am a former “grandfather”. Therefore, as always, I agree with the “cap”!

[ametist415]

This is not a provocation. You would specifically direct your ship towards a navigational hazard, but what if you ripped open the side in the Moscow region? How will you explain your actions to the shipowner and the authorities? This is a clinic.

[149GB]

When in Russia will someone answer for such a mess with their heads or shoulder straps? Why haven’t you tried to protect the bridge under construction? I'm shocked, and this after all the threats....

[3officer]

They write simply nonsense! "Opening warning fire, depth charges, etc.
A common emergency situation is that where the bridge is being built there is heavy traffic, a narrow fairway, a lot of buoys and milestones.
About 10 years ago, a Russian ship similarly rammed an underwater passage under construction in the Bosphorus. At that time, no one made an international scandal out of this. Russian ships sail under all Turkish bridges, including without pilots.

[bald]

WELL WHAT --- THE LEFT CHEEK WAS HIT --- THE RIGHT CHEEK WAS FRAMED --- WHAT SHOULD WE FIX IT NOW? --- AND I DON'T PITY US --- POLITICS IS POLITICS --- TACTICS IS TACTICS --- CAN I AT LEAST THROW A GRENADE?--- SO IT WAS NOT SO SHAMEFUL.

[Shustov]

[quote=V.ic][quote=Darkmor]That's the whole incident.[/quote]
Did you read the article or “skim it”? The author points to a logical chain: 1 - downed Su-24; 2 - intentional damage to a strategic facility under construction; 3 - ??????????. And the complete absence of military cover for a strategic facility is correctly stated in this article.[/quote
So, all of the above should be offered by some writer at VO, described and analyzed, or could it still be at least some character from government agencies!?
In general, at least someone is thinking through something, analyzing what and where is likely to happen, for which state security receive money!? Security in supermarkets works even better.
After all, just a few years ago, here in the comments they wrote about potential opponents, among them was Turkey (they just didn’t name Ukraine), and one of the first on the list.

[RoTTor]

Lots of emotions, little sense.
Questions:
1. Who certified those responsible for the emergency?
2. Why was the foreign ship sailing in this area with difficult navigation conditions? WITHOUT MANDATORY pilotage?
3. How many flag sailors (i.e. mercenaries) are in the Turkish crew,
4. Was any of them on a running watch?

Without answers to these questions, this is chatter.

[kig]

WITHOUT MANDATORY pilotage?

In 2015, the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation issued order No. 313, which exempted ships with a draft of up to 4,5 meters or a length of up to 140 meters from pilotage in the Kerch Strait. It was in accordance with this order (the captain of the Lyra) that Kara Kazim did not take the pilot.

How many flag sailors (i.e. mercenaries) are there in the Turkish crew?

The crew of the ship consisted of five Turkish citizens, two Indian citizens and two Georgian citizens.

People, calm down and stop creating conspiracy theories. This way you can reach the point of paranoia. There is a rule called Occam's razor. According to him, the simplest explanation will be correct.

The press service of the Crimean Bridge project reported: “On March 19 at 23:25 Moscow time, the motor ship Lira under the flag of Panama, owned by Turkuaz Shipping Corp, while traveling along the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal deviated from the recommended path in the area of ​​buoys 21 and 23a , and then made a pile on the structural elements of the working bridge. As a result of the Lira vessel colliding with the supports of temporary working bridge No. 2, which is being built between Tuzla Island and the fairway, the support piles were bent, and the contractor is assessing the damage. This will not affect the completion date of the temporary working bridge. And even more so for the time frame for the construction of the main bridge.”

[Cossack]

About the crew.
I read the ship's role of Lyra. Everything is as usual there. The captain, the first mate, the second, the grandfather and the cook are Turks, the engine mechanic and the sailor are Georgians, two more sailors are Indians. The Indians are generally young boys born in 1996 and 1994... But the cook is completely grandfather - 1945
About the "flags".
So this ship itself is under the flag of convenience of Panama. The company is Turkish. It has 6 ships. Three of the same type as the Lyra, 1 a little smaller and 2 a little larger. But they are all small old bonfires. By the way, if the company has to pay the declared damage of 120 million rubles , then you won’t envy her... This trough doesn’t cost that much.
About the pilot.
Lira goes to Azov, Taganrog, Yeisk about twice a month... She knows everything for a long time. She didn’t take a pilot legally... But sloppiness conquers everything...

[vik.nik.2016]

If I can’t bite, I’ll at least kick.

[Badger]

Maybe the author is right, or maybe he’s paranoid. I think it’s the usual negligence and sloppiness of the Turkish captain. A terrorist attack must be carried out on a completed building; what is the point in destroying technical structures, it’s like scaffolding in a house under construction.

[Dezinto]

The recording of the negotiations reminded me of these guys:

This is some kind of bastard and not the captain. Once they told him, he said, “Yes, I’ll do it.” Two he told him - “yes, we’ll do it” Three! They told him - where are you going? - he - “what is he fighting for”?

Or drunk. Or go.from. Or on purpose. I don't know......

[Denis Skiff]

I won’t eat it, I’ll bite it.

[Vitas]

We will restore the supports, and the dry cargo ship will join the “Syrian Express”.

[ametist415]

Will you restore?

[Neobag]

Quote: Badger

...negligence and sloppiness of the Turkish captain...

I agree, partially...
I think there is negligence on both sides. I’m sure the situation will be brought under control, but it’s a pity that we’re learning from our mistakes.

[Cossack]

Apparently, the author of the article has no idea about shipping and the risks associated with it, but he talks smartly about “calibers, mosquitoes and other biting things”... Collisions and pile-ups have always been, are and will be... Just like and carelessness and sloppiness. There are pile-ups on bridges, locks, piers, ships, etc... This happens all over the world, but no one shouts that they are doing this on purpose... If tomorrow a Turkish truck with a fallen driver rams traffic police post, then you propose to patrol the roads with armored personnel carriers?... IMHO the article is complete nonsense... so to speak, on the muddy wave of anti-Turkish sentiments...
You will talk with those who go to the seas, and even better with those who work on the river... You will find out that you will simply be stunned...
I personally was in two nasty situations on the Yenisei.
Once, when in broad daylight we (the passengers) were almost rammed by a tug with a barge, to which we vainly signaled with a typhon and shouted on the radio.
The second time, at night, we made a mistake ourselves and almost collided with a standing dredger and an oncoming ship, passing them literally meters and drowning two buoys placed by this dredger...
Anything can happen on water... Just like on land...

[bve56]

The article is incorrect! Now order all peaceful Turkish ships to be shot?! Of course not. This is another stab in the back, and a meaningless one, since most likely they will compensate for the damage, we’ll see (however, there is a low probability of “stupidity” of the captain and the ship’s managers).

As for "the damage is no less" - this is a lie. The damage is primarily the lost people that we need for the country. Yes, most likely there was a mistake with the Su-24, but it still remains a stab in the back, since this was difficult to expect in those circumstances, besides, the Turks violated Greek space thousands of times, and the world doesn’t care. No Hague court - nothing.... This is the current world and it is far from a fact that it will be better or has always been better than it is now.

Serge Babkov

[Shustov]

Quote: kig

The author's zeal is understandable, but I'm afraid the pathos seems excessive. Here is a photo of the damage posted on Facebook. In addition, the Turk is not alone, it turns out:


http://ankerch-crimea.ru/page/news/111880/

The collision of the Turkish cargo ship Lira with the supports of the Kerch Bridge under construction, which occurred on March 19, 2016, was the third in a row. Before this, a river-sea class vessel and a ferry had already crashed into the supports.

Maybe we should wait for the results of the investigation? The captain could simply have been in an inadequate state. Looking for malicious intent is completely stupid. The company that owns the ship is not state-owned but private. Any private owner will hang himself for a couple of dollars, but here he faces a rather large fine. In fact, there were two Georgian citizens in the Lyra crew. We should find out the author’s opinion - maybe we should dig in this direction?

The captain is not adequate, only the Slavs can ask experienced sailors, but the Turks never. Georgians you say? So they curry favor with the Turks and they also treat them with some kind of conspiratorial respect. Perhaps hatred of Russians unites them!? Now, if statements, behavior and other visual things were monitored, then with a shallow analysis it would be possible to predict some absurd things that are currently happening.

[bve56]

you contradict yourself ! “the Turks never,” but they knock down supports, trade with ISIS, send in troops randomly, as in Iraq, etc. Are you here for cookies or what? You are talking some really big nonsense that is inadequate, if you think about it logically. Analyze what you write, it’s somehow a little primitive and propaganda-pro-Western.

p.s. The funniest thing is your last sentence. Reminds me of the phrase “the biggest stupid things are done with a serious expression on your face.”

[Zai pali]

Once they turned their backs on Turkey. The result is a downed plane.

And not vice versa?

[Alekspel]

The fact that there will still be provocations at this construction site, don’t go to grandma. They will even try to bribe the builders themselves to do something dirty. Our current leaders have zero vigilance, and some, like the Ministry of Economy, judging by their actions, have a lot of desire to spoil their country. Well, the lack of proper security is a mistake of the Russian Ministry of Defense, as with the downed lander, which flew without fighter escort. So there is no need to blame the Turks, we need to look at them as potential enemies with all that that implies. Otherwise, they relaxed at a time when half the country visited their resorts. Gunpowder must be kept dry. And this case should be dealt with first with your officials.

[rJIiOK]

Everyone is strong in hindsight. Let's put a tank near every construction site right now, especially in Siberia, in case Turkish saboteurs are hiding in the taiga.

Don't turn your back on the Turks. Ugh, it’s disgusting: “Let’s be friends with everyone, otherwise they shot down our plane because we turned our backs to them.”
And you can turn your back to us, then?