The Gaidar Forum. Experts burn ...

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Today, 15 January ends the so-called "Gaidar Forum", which is considered an intellectual platform for discussing the most important aspects of the Russian economy in the system of the economy of global scale. If we talk about the goals of the forum, held since 2010, and named this year “Russia and the World: A Look into the Future”, then they officially sound as follows:

attraction of leading world scientists and practitioners to a joint discussion of economic and political problems;

maintaining an ongoing expert dialogue on key political and economic issues;

reflection of the main trends and key events of the national and global economy and politics;

development of strategic proposals and recommendations for the development of the national economy;

Russia's consolidation of a solid place on the intellectual economic map of the world and the status of an important center of global economic discussions at the highest level.


The organizers of the discussion platform are the Gaidar Institute for Economic Policy and the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation). The forum’s permanent experts include such people as Federal Minister Mikhail Abyzov, Chairman of the Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Anatoly Aksakov, Head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service Igor Artemyev, Chairman of the Committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on Labor, Social Policy and Affairs Olga Batalina, veterans, Industry Minister Denis Manturov, Deputy Director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations, Flax Civil Initiatives Committee Evgeny Gontmakher. The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrei Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others.

The experts - bright, of course, heads - gathered, drank coffee tanks, ate pretty, economic issues were discussed. Well, what, actually, to be with one of the main points of the list of goals of the “Gaidar Forum”, and specifically with the item “elaboration of strategic proposals and recommendations for the development of the national economy”? What, in fact, have come? ..

At the time of the preparation of the article of the final document, the experts did not give birth, but there appeared statements regarding what will be reflected in this document (if it appears at all). In particular, a number of economic gurus who arrived from abroad (well, those who, like many of our “experts”, including representatives of the supreme power, declared a complete collapse of the world economy with oil prices, first below 80, then below 60, then below 40 dollars per barrel ...) announced that for Russia the oil prices at the level of 100-120 dollars per barrel are literally "damning". So, Harvard University professor Timothy Colton stated literally the following (quote RBC):

You do not need oil at $ 120 to get growth. The crisis will stimulate reform. True, the current government has been in power for many years, and they have not been held before.


Apparently, all Russians need to make one conclusion from this statement by a Western professor: well, that “golden time” has come when the reformist power of representatives of the Russian government finally wakes up. At a price of 100-120, a dollar per barrel, of course, I didn’t really like to scratch and knock on my finger - petrodollars filled the budget with rivers, but at the price of oil in 25-35 they will start, you know, everything will be reformed, they will start! ..

So what do the world economic gurus propose to the Russian government that the economy, as they say, jumped at a gallop. The essence of the proposals was actually reduced to one thesis: to reduce costs. They say that as soon as you (we, Russia) “optimize” your “exorbitant” expenses, as soon as you reconstruct, obviously according to the Gaidar scenario, the economic model, so multi-percentage growth will not take long to wait ...

The Gaidar Forum. Experts burn ...


From the speech of Professor University of California Barry Eichengreen:
To reduce budget expenditures - you first need to understand why the budget is built in such a way that it needs to be reduced. For countries with large public debt and significant deficits, spending cuts are inevitable. On the other hand, if the budget deficit is due to temporary difficulties - lowering prices for raw materials - and you are sure that they will grow soon, then you do not need to significantly reduce spending.


To put it mildly, a controversial statement.

First, who told Mr. Eichengrin that Russia has a large public debt? If we are guided by his “postulate”, then with the national debt that, for example, the United States or Japan have, these states should have cut expenses for a long time so that their citizens would have had their last forage found. However, they do not dozhe ... There is enough food.

Secondly, what does the term “if you are sure that they (oil prices) are going to increase, then ...” mean? It seems that this professor Eichengrin is still that level 80 troll, because he hardly seriously believes that the rise in oil prices depends on how Russian economic “experts” predict him and on how deeply the faith of these very specialists in the growth of oil prices.

In general, the fact that the overwhelming majority of economic gurus discussed only two topics attracted attention: how much Russia needs to cut costs, and what could be the price of oil in the near future. By the way, in the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, apparently, they listened to the arguments of American experts, and decided to cut expenses by another 10% ... And, as always, with the wording: no reduction in strategic sectors, of course, will not affect ... Of course ...

It turns out that all professors, major experts in economics and economic affairs gathered at the forum with the goal of stating that even without them it is obvious, as they say, to any housewife: the Russian economy, unfortunately, during all the years of bureaucracy on the inflow of petrodollars has not been reconfigured to the note that minimizes the dependence of the raw material on the filling of the budget. And the same experts offer two alternatives as an alternative: either to rely on the rise in prices for "black gold" or to cut expenses by tightening the belts. If this is economic professionalism and foresight, then on our website alone, a couple or three thousand readers, it is time to assign professorships in the field of macroeconomics. If only because we are precisely able to optimize our own expenses better than any economic guru of the Gaidar Forum, which is used mainly to “optimize” expenses from other people's pockets and is very sensitive to the content of the pockets of our own ...
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  1. +2
    15 January 2016 14: 46
    a bunch of gopniks for the state under the name of Russia. The paradox is that while sitting in power, they blaspheme Russia. It’s as if they live behind the cordon. Well, beyond the ring road of the city of Moscow, this is already the possession of their “ardently” beloved electorate.
  2. +6
    15 January 2016 15: 15
    Here is the PERL from German Gref READ BELOW: Russia, this is a downshifter country!
    It is necessary to rectify the situation by abandoning the "old Soviet education system" cramming "children with a colossal amount of information" and joining the technological revolution.
    WE WILL NOT BE RIVETING NARROW DIRECTIONALS, ALREADY NOT "SHIFTERS", just DOWNS! USE TO HELP!
    As they say without comment!
    What to turn on? An example of the Chinese conveyor belt is a million idiots, where each faceless individual stupidly solders one chip dedicated only to him, or something else? Hello, we've arrived!
    PS two words from our foreign minister, everyone knows them, the phrase is winged!
    Hello slave system, and preferably, for a cup, well, not rice, it’s expensive, you’ll get by with rice, pearl barley or oats. Thank you "Mr." Gref for our happy future.
    1. +6
      15 January 2016 15: 25
      Gref is not a stupid person, just an obvious bastard, one of the most noticeable Liberoids in the camp. But who put him in charge of Sberbank?
      1. -5
        15 January 2016 15: 45
        Quote: nekot
        Gref is not a stupid person, just an obvious bastard, one of the most noticeable Liberoids in the camp. But who put him in charge of Sberbank?

        Isn’t it strange, unlike other State. enterprises, it ended the year at least without losses and ordinary citizens will not have to pay for it, like for the debts of Gazprom and Rosneft.
        1. 0
          15 January 2016 20: 45
          What debts do Gazprom and Rosneft have?
          1. +1
            15 January 2016 21: 04
            Quote: Vadim237
            What debts do Gazprom and Rosneft have?

            Gee gee, duty to the homeland and duty to the party)))
            In fact, 10-20% of the budget (of the entire budget) comes from them. Therefore, the first point of the liberals’ program is to tear Gazprom and Rosneft into small offices and quietly crush these offices under themselves.
            1. 0
              16 January 2016 18: 16
              It won’t be possible to tear it apart - the controlling stake is owned by the state, and part of it is owned by the shareholders - which I am.
        2. 0
          15 January 2016 21: 01
          Quote: atalef
          Isn’t it strange, unlike other State. enterprises, it ended the year at least without losses and ordinary citizens will not have to pay for it

          Of course, they took it and printed the profit on a machine! And the fact that ordinary citizens pay through inflation, excellent economists naively believe that ordinary citizens do not notice)))
        3. +1
          15 January 2016 22: 00
          and what kind of losses can Sberbank have? What planet are you from anyway? Or, like our insurers, if the profit is less than in the previous year, then it means they worked at a loss?. Sberbank. the bank cheated twice.. the people in 91 and 98, not allowing them to withdraw money from deposits. This is a sacred cow that in any case will be in the black, the Gaiser case is another confirmation of this, and this TV.... - bury Gref, except speculation and distribution of loans at guarded...interest, does not know how to do anything, and all investments are made according to orders from the Kremlin
        4. cap
          0
          15 January 2016 22: 01
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: nekot
          Gref is not a stupid person, just an obvious bastard, one of the most noticeable Liberoids in the camp. But who put him in charge of Sberbank?

          Isn’t it strange, unlike other State. enterprises, it ended the year at least without losses and ordinary citizens will not have to pay for it, like for the debts of Gazprom and Rosneft.


          What kind of losses can Sberbank have? I took deposits from some, gave loans to others, the interest was paid to the cashier. Simple and straightforward. Downshifters still won’t understand.
    2. -5
      15 January 2016 15: 44
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      Here is PEARL from German Gref

      Gref is an excellent economist
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      It is necessary to rectify the situation by abandoning the "old Soviet education system" cramming "children with a colossal amount of information" and joining the technological revolution.

      He is right, and this has long been the case all over the world.
      Why the hell should everyone (I repeat) teach everyone Astronomy, anatomy, botany, chemistry - for those who are not going to devote their lives to this - a small course in natural science is enough.
      etc. etc. - Russian students are overloaded with unnecessary subjects.
      There is no differential approach.
      It has long been known that people are divided into humanists and techies.
      The Russian school does not take this into account at all and puts everyone under the same brush.
      Although it is clear that history, foreign language or social studies (in an intensive course) will bring many times more benefits to a humanities student than inorganic chemistry that he doesn’t need (and will never need).
      He is absolutely right.
      It is necessary to give students the opportunity to choose subjects and difficulty levels
      .This one works all over the world, why shouldn’t it work in Russia?
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      WE WILL NOT BE RIVETING NARROW DIRECTIONALS, ALREADY NOT "SHIFTERS", just DOWNS! USE TO HELP!

      Throughout the advanced world, there is such a system.
      And no matter how you look at it, while they are far ahead in technology, they are probably not completely down.
      1. +1
        15 January 2016 21: 16
        Quote: atalef
        Why the hell should everyone (I repeat) teach everyone Astronomy, anatomy, botany, chemistry - for those who are not going to devote their lives to this - a small course in natural science is enough.
        etc. etc. - Russian students are overloaded with unnecessary subjects.
        There is no differential approach.

        This is for ordinary people. The elite, as I understand it, teaches their offspring to the maximum! You correctly noted Astronomy. With the collapse of the union, the liberals removed it, children should not dream of the stars, but should dream of the sweet life...
        Are Russian students overloaded with unnecessary (our partners don’t need them to know this) subjects? These are our disciples and not the disciples of Israel. It's none of your business.
        Quote: atalef
        The Russian school does not take this into account at all and puts everyone under the same brush.

        Amerovskaya and Israelskaya have already slipped, and are jealous of ours?? Amers generally look up to the laggard.
        Quote: atalef
        Why the hell does he not need (and will never need) inorganic chemistry.

        Not needed by our Western partners. The whole world is entering the era of biotechnology where biochemistry has a leading role!
        Quote: atalef
        It is necessary to give students the opportunity to choose subjects and difficulty levels

        A curtain. Invite your child to study math or play football and he will choose football.
        Quote: atalef
        .This one works all over the world, why shouldn’t it work in Russia?

        To look up to amers and gayropas is not to respect yourself.
        Quote: atalef
        And no matter how you look at it, while they are far ahead in technology, they are probably not completely down.

        In what? Space, Atom, Army are behind us.
      2. cap
        +1
        15 January 2016 22: 09
        Quote: atalef
        He is right, and this has long been the case all over the world.
        Why the hell should everyone (I repeat) teach everyone Astronomy, anatomy, botany, chemistry - for those who are not going to devote their lives to this - a small course in natural science is enough.
        etc. etc. - Russian students are overloaded with unnecessary subjects.
        There is no differential approach.
        It has long been known that people are divided into humanists and techies.
        The Russian school does not take this into account at all and puts everyone under the same brush.
        Although it is clear that history, foreign language or social studies (in an intensive course) will bring many times more benefits to a humanities student than inorganic chemistry that he doesn’t need (and will never need).
        He is absolutely right.

        That's right, a pig doesn't look at the stars. She doesn't need it.
        I learned to read and write. And “Arbeit”. I already read it somewhere.
      3. +1
        15 January 2016 22: 09
        Can you give an example of a report from an American institute that studied the quality of education in the USA? We still need to look for such downfalls, and the Europeans have not gone far, give Norway as an example? How do they study in graduating classes? Do price tags in stores determine? There are 150 million of us in Russia in the USA and Europe has almost half a billion, not counting other countries of the world, and we manage to keep up intellectually (don’t confuse it with implementation) Google how many Russian scientists work all over the world, idiots are easier to manage, so you are gradually being turned into a herd of consumers. And there is an example , I was looking for a job in Germany, during an interview I solved a problem and made calculations on a piece of paper, so the German teacher saw this saying -.. I always knew that the Russians are smart people, my grandfather told me, who fought on the eastern front, and now I’m convinced myself.. And this is with my .. bogus .. education. Good luck
    3. 0
      15 January 2016 16: 06
      Then, however, he changed the past tense to the future: we will seriously lag behind if there are no serious changes.
      Apparently he realized that he was talking about himself and his team. And, judging by this statement, in the near future he will leave with impunity.
      Well, he’ll go away and go away, God bless him, or whoever he’s praying to, he cares, that with impunity.
      And they really believe in what they do. A sect of adherents of the higher school of economics, but for some reason there is no economics. Their gods arrived, absolved them of their sins, and told them that they needed to pray and wait for grace. Everyone left in euphoria.
  3. +2
    15 January 2016 15: 15
    To every expert on the Druzhba chainsaw and to the Kolyma logging site. And everyone will be happy.
  4. +1
    15 January 2016 15: 25
    resembles a bunch of gopniks who stand in the gateway together with the gay union and pendostan in order to completely rob Russia. Their place is not in Moscow, but in hard labor.
  5. +6
    15 January 2016 15: 25
    If we could cordon off this Gaidar forum with all the forum members with machine gunners and shoot it, you’ll see that the economy in Russia would begin to rise and nanotechnology would step forward! All sorts of Grefs, Chubais and others like them crap, they let the country and its people go to hell..., and now they sit and chew snot, who is to blame and what to do!
  6. +1
    15 January 2016 15: 27
    What is there to think? Let them think about how to build new factories and enterprises, thereby creating new jobs.
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    2. +2
      15 January 2016 15: 55
      The presence of a large working class in the country is fraught with the choice of people who will actually begin to “build” and not “destroy.” Therefore, a business crook will never dig his own grave with his own hands. It is easier for them to always preach ways to correct the mistakes of previous...preachers.

      A “people's amnesty” in the style of:
      1. +4
        15 January 2016 21: 02
        Video of the closing of the forum am
  7. +3
    15 January 2016 15: 38
    The Gaidar Forum. Experts burn ...


    It was necessary to take everyone out after the forum and shoot the especially “gifted” ones in the swamp!
  8. 0
    15 January 2016 15: 38
    They are chatterboxes, they talk all the time, but don’t do anything. If I were Putin, I would send this entire forum to Lefortovo, or to Siberia to remove all the snow.
  9. +1
    15 January 2016 15: 43
    Pay attention to your legs....!!!! Without going into details and the wilds of personality psychology... crossed legs are a sign of your opponent’s deceit. However, it’s a lie...to all intents and purposes.
  10. -1
    15 January 2016 16: 49
    The author, Alexey Volodin, is undoubtedly one of the two or three thousand readers of the site who urgently need to be awarded the title of professor of macroeconomics.
    Actually, this is what his note is about.
    Nothing more.
  11. 0
    15 January 2016 17: 13
    This is not a forum, this is a ready-made stage. Get your things out!
  12. 0
    15 January 2016 17: 15
    It seems that today is not Tuesday (black), but Friday, but what is happening today with the ruble, oil and the market request
  13. +2
    15 January 2016 17: 27
    And Putin, of course, is out of business again. Oh, I forgot, he hasn’t arrived from the opening of the Yeltsin Center yet. hi
  14. +5
    15 January 2016 17: 36
    The bourgeoisie and their minions gathered at the forum named after the “Bad Boy” and began to think about how not to lose their income in a crisis and at the same time explain to the cattle in a foreign language incomprehensible to the people that a person lying down is better than a person standing up, and it’s not their fault, but the USSR, the Communists and oil together with the Saudis.
  15. +1
    15 January 2016 17: 50
    In the news, in Yandex, about Gref’s speech. Do not be shy. It says that Russia has lost the competition. Among other things, he says that it is necessary to finally abandon the model of Soviet education.
    So, Gref reported on the work done and said that in order for Russia to finally not twitch, it still needs to finish off education. Everything seems clear.
    Many people don’t understand otherwise. Why is this Gref in charge of the Central Bank, why did Putin and Medvedev open the Yeltsin Museum, why is there a Gaidar forum, although the failure of this Gaidar in economic matters is obvious, why do we have such a government?
    And all because we broke the USSR and for the sake of merging with Europe. And they continued in this direction until 2014. And in 2014, when it became obvious that Europe would only let us in “piecemeal,” foreign policy turned around. But not 180 degrees, but a maximum of 45, or even less. And in the domestic sector they almost didn’t even turn around, they just need to adjust the economy to the sanctions and low oil prices. We (Russia) do not attack, but defend! Careful, prudent, so far successful.
    And for more details - go to eot.su, get acquainted, move in, join!
    Otherwise, just as we slept on the USSR, we also slept on Russia. And no one will be to blame for this, but ourselves!
  16. +3
    15 January 2016 18: 02
    ,,..German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrei Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others.”, ordinary Russian guys care about the welfare of Russians
  17. +2
    15 January 2016 18: 08
    It is logical to hold the Gaidar Forum on Halloween
    1. +2
      15 January 2016 19: 37
      Kholuin - more accurately expresses the essence of this event.
  18. 0
    15 January 2016 18: 29
    One reform is needed, a man similar to Comrade Stalin must be brought to power!!!
    1. +1
      15 January 2016 19: 08
      Quote: bear
      One reform is needed, a man similar to Comrade Stalin must be brought to power!!!

      Well, bring a person who looks like Stalin, but this is not a guarantee that he will act like Stalin. There will be no result from changing surnames. In Russia, almost all regions are subsidized, sitting on the neck of the federal budget. Why work and develop the region, besides bother yourself if what you need will come to your budget just like that. Why run around and earn money if you can just sit and rob.
      Everything that is happening now is a systemic problem. Well, the author of the article wrote all these people who were sitting there as a fifth column. Well, maybe he knows better. What if suddenly these people turn out to be right in their thoughts. I’ve read a lot of similar articles here. Everyone is to blame for these articles, everyone. Except the President. It’s as if no one appointed these people to the position. They took these chairs on their own.
      Those who amnestied Serdyukov will never do what an ordinary citizen wants. Where there is personal gain, the citizen goes to the very last stage. And this is the case everywhere. Not only in the Russian Federation.
  19. +3
    15 January 2016 19: 09
    We wonder why Sberbank does not operate in Crimea, why Sberbank is asking to lift a number of sanctions against Turkey, why is the leadership of Sberbank raising the question of its privatization? The answer probably lies in the plane of Greft’s speech at the forum and his statements about Russia!
  20. 0
    15 January 2016 19: 13
    Gref was especially on fire! You see, we lost because we did not invest in modern technology. So, not much, not little, we lost. Why did these liberal reformers decide that we no longer need these technologies back in the 90s? Investments in those days, you should have shot. Otherwise, the extreme current managers, but they had nothing to do with it, and only said that the market would judge. So he reasoned - in Soviet times, dependence on oil was less than now, and do not believe that the USSR collapsed because of oil - this is bullshit!
  21. +4
    15 January 2016 19: 37
    Such forums are important and useful. You need to know the enemy by sight. Let them tell how they stole from Russia when they were in power, how they hate their Motherland and yet occupy high positions. I think that we should not remain silent here, but sign a general letter to Putin so that Gref is removed from his post. We need to act, and not scratch our tongues.
  22. +1
    15 January 2016 19: 53
    In every 100 comments, the name Putin appears literally several times. That's the whole point. Don't expect any changes with this approach!
    And in general, changing the government will not fix anything. We need a change in the economic, political and social system! And the emergence of ideology, of course.
  23. +2
    15 January 2016 20: 05
    Gref today openly stated that the “masters of life” today need uneducated “cattle” who will provide these “masters” with a comfortable life in exchange for food and other pleasures. In addition, Gref made it clear that the era of the “oil candy wrapper” is coming to an end and the owners of the printing press are feverishly looking to replace oil with alternative energy or in the form of other vital resources that could be sold for “candy wrappers.” Therefore, in the near future, very interesting events await us, which are called the establishment of a new world order. And if this happens again in Yalta, it will be a landmark event. Something like this.
  24. 0
    15 January 2016 20: 11
    How screwed up these paper "economists" are. All the relatives and followers of Gaidar the writer made their “names” after his last name. And the parent of this forum could use the word NOT.
  25. +2
    15 January 2016 20: 16
    To name a forum after a person who causes sharp rejection by the majority of the Russian population is to show gross disrespect for the people. Even regardless of what the prophets of liberalism say there.

    And if you remember what Gaidar promised the people, and what he did to the people, then it becomes clear what recipes this forum can offer. The same ones, Gaidar's.

    There is a crisis. But where, in what country in the world, did the project of trimming everything lead to prosperity? And if economists cannot offer the country any recipe other than circumcision, then it means that they (all together and each individual) have a direct path there, following Mr. Gaidar.
  26. +2
    15 January 2016 20: 46
    I'm tired of these talkers. For 25 years they have been telling us everything about reforms. Gaidar has already died and Nemtsov was killed, and Gref and Kudrin were ministers, and now in a different rank, but the song is the same - reforms, reforms. Why didn’t you carry them out when you were in the government? Kindersurprise has deflated the country, but it is not found in the camp, but is destroying the nuclear sector. Not a single one of them forgot about themselves; each of them has a lot of people’s money, and this is without any reforms. But they only offer us reforms and promise earthly paradise in 20 years, when not a single one of today’s 50-year-olds will be alive. It’s like Khrushchev said that in 20 years communism will come. And where is that communism? So these people lie, and then either the donkey or the emir, as you know, will die. They should be imprisoned for failure to manage the assigned sphere. And Ulyukaev is the Minister of Economic Development, but there is no trace of this development. Give it another year - no development - to the wall. Stalin did this and there was development. And they write these poems. And they are all the same, as if they were irreplaceable in the pop scene.
    1. 0
      15 January 2016 22: 05
      And where is that communism?


      As where? So Gref lives under communism. am
  27. +2
    15 January 2016 21: 34
    Apparently Kadyrov said about them - “enemies of the people.”
  28. +1
    15 January 2016 21: 38
    Quote: Bone
    The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others.

    That's where you need to detonate a tactical nuclear charge!
    So that not a single bastard breaks !!!

    A wise suggestion.
  29. +2
    15 January 2016 21: 40
    Remember the words of the guarantor - I love Russia?! The understanding comes that he loves without Russians. Apparently Asians are closer.
    The words and their derivatives - Gaidar, Yeltsin - evoke deep (for now) hatred from everyone I know.
    Kudrin, Medvedev, Gref, Silanov, Ulyukaev, nae.bulina and other bastards are enemies of the people. And everyone has already understood this.
    Why do they still steal? Why hasn't Chubais been shot yet? why is Gref still not imprisoned (better, of course, immediately according to the law of war..) talking not even nonsense, not even nonsense.. If you really understand that he is a traitor and wants to destroy the Russians as a nation, then everything falls into place.
    After Crimea, we believed the president (and someone always believed). But every time I see the red, hateful face, I understand that everything is the same.

    Is impeachment possible in our country?
  30. +1
    15 January 2016 21: 42
    Quote: varov14
    Good rams to slaughter, in the event of a cataclysm will go in the forefront.

    These are not sheep, but effective managers of modern Russia.
  31. 0
    15 January 2016 21: 51
    And you're all kidding...
  32. +2
    15 January 2016 21: 56
    when will these Gaidarites stop talking completely?
    1. +1
      15 January 2016 22: 28
      I would like to help them get some rest
  33. cap
    +2
    15 January 2016 22: 16
    Quote: cap
    Quote: atalef
    He is right, and this has long been the case all over the world.
    Why the hell should everyone (I repeat) teach everyone Astronomy, anatomy, botany, chemistry - for those who are not going to devote their lives to this - a small course in natural science is enough.
    etc. etc. - Russian students are overloaded with unnecessary subjects.
    There is no differential approach.
    It has long been known that people are divided into humanists and techies.
    The Russian school does not take this into account at all and puts everyone under the same brush.
    Although it is clear that history, foreign language or social studies (in an intensive course) will bring many times more benefits to a humanities student than inorganic chemistry that he doesn’t need (and will never need).
    He is absolutely right.

    That's right, a pig doesn't look at the stars. She doesn't need it.
    I learned to read and write. And “Arbeit”. I already read it somewhere.
    Some Fuhrer wrote. Even the expressions are similar. And this applied specifically to the countries east of the “Fatherland”. There were indeed other statements and plans about the Jews, respectively. Remember about the Holocaust at your leisure. But the “Fatherland” did not take place. To your and our happiness. hi
  34. +1
    15 January 2016 22: 23
    let them change the name of the forum in order to somehow win the sympathy of people (although they don’t need it for nothing), the word Gaidarovsky evokes a gag reflex, and is in no way associated with ..Timur and his team.., but a swaggering roar emerges.. .o.Russia has a population of 150 million and a lot of resources and territory, and these..smart people..except for speculation, like in the 90s, have not learned anything, and I’m generally silent about the withdrawal of budget money, in general, Gryzlov is not in vain I was hanging around in front of the forum, I need to cajole the amers
  35. +1
    15 January 2016 22: 23
    Yes, like Gaidar and his accomplices of the 90s, so is the “forum”. Just chatter, but, after all, there are a lot of idlers who live in various “foundations” and “institutes” dealing with all sorts of economic problems and work in various “advisors” and live well and successfully “powder” the brains of “people”. Recently they showed on the “box” a red-haired saint, the thief of thieves, there is no place to put marks, but he is alive and more alive than all the living.
  36. +3
    15 January 2016 22: 34
    Gref came to the thieves' gangway and yelled:

    "Chief, everything is gone! The plaster is being removed! The client is leaving!" laughing

    And I have my own recipe - don’t cut the budget; and take it and trim the fat from the oligarchs; grab them, so to speak, and force them"repatriate"capitals. Comrade Beria was good at persuasion. am
  37. +2
    15 January 2016 22: 37
    Quote: Gormengast
    Gref came to the thieves' gangway and yelled:

    "Chief, everything is gone! The plaster is being removed! The client is leaving!" laughing

    And I have my own recipe - don’t cut the budget; and take it and trim the fat from the oligarchs; grab them, so to speak, and force them"repatriate"capitals. Comrade Beria was good at persuasion. am

    Yes, yes, cut it off. Up to the neck!
  38. +2
    15 January 2016 22: 45
    Talkers, and I say this very mildly, tolerantly.
  39. +2
    15 January 2016 22: 47
    There are a lot of fatty things that wouldn’t be a bad idea to cut off.

    Miller, Sechin, Gref, along with their "directors", cut salaries. Gazprom will immediately have money for construction, Rosneft will not need budget injections, and Sberbank will cut loan rates by half.

    Explore the palaces of delegates, deputies and others who came from nowhere social activists. If you poke around there, you can find not only Yanukov’s golden loaf. "Do you have unearned income? What if I find it?".

    Abolish contributions to all sorts of PACE and other state organizations.

    Close Yeltsing centers and other vile whorehouses.

    From Chubais, who simply has money incredibly many (he said it himself at a corporate party), take the tax.
  40. +6
    15 January 2016 23: 34
    Quote: Alexander72
    for which his grandfather fought and died (whom I personally respect as a man who wrote good and necessary children's books and gave his life for his country and people)

    A little about Grandfather Gaidar!
    ......Arkady Golikov (the real name of the writer) in his youth fought for Soviet power in Ukraine and the Caucasus, fought against gangs in the Tambov region and Khakassia. He graduated from command courses and actually commanded a regiment at the age of 16, because he was a smart and brave guy.
    However, no one told us then that Arkady Golikov’s brilliant military career ended ingloriously - in 1924 he was fired from the army and expelled from the party. As it turned out, the war crippled this talented guy and turned him, in fact, into a disabled person.
    “Ideologically, Golikov is an unbalanced boy who, taking advantage of his official position, has committed a number of crimes,” his boss, commander of the ChON of the Krasnoyarsk province, Comrade Kakoulin, wrote in a memo about Arkady.
    The book by the writer Vladimir Soloukhin, “Salt Lake,” published in the 90s, contains stories from Khakass people about the cruelty with which the young commander “Golik” shot prisoners, villagers, even old people and children without trial.
    Arkady finished his service in a hospital bed in a Tomsk hospital. “Severe exhaustion of the nervous system due to overwork and former concussion,” Gaidar wrote about his diagnosis in a letter to his sister Natasha.
    A head injury and a damaged psyche will torment him all his life. In the Soviet official biographies of Gaidar, of course, there was not a word about attacks of terrible headaches, because of which he lost his mind and cut himself with a razor, nor about heavy drinking bouts, nor about treatment in mental hospitals......
    ....... Arkady Golikov, who took the pseudonym Gaidar, received literary recognition only shortly before his death, in the late 30s. Before that, he wandered around the country and worked as a journalist in Donbass, Perm, Arkhangelsk, Khabarovsk.....
    1. 0
      15 January 2016 23: 51
      published in the 90s


      Not in dispute; It’s just that this phrase immediately arouses acute suspicion of the author’s objectivity. In Ukraine, a monument to Kutuzov was demolished on the grounds that he was a pedophile. Pedophilia is deduced from a little-known letter from some frame on the Sultan's gifts. And the objectivity of the Turkish source, at the same time, is not verified in any way.

      committed, using his official position, a number of crimes


      Oh, when, when will an objective biography of his grandson appear, in which it will be stated that he killed millions of people?
      1. +4
        16 January 2016 00: 09
        So, for the info!
        A separate edition of Vladimir Soloukhin’s story “Salt Lake”, written in the early 90s, is being prepared for release, which is planned to be supplemented with unique archival documents. “A friend of children with kind eyes” and the founder of a famous family, Arkady Gaidar appears from the pages of Soloukhin’s book as one of the most terrible executioners of the “Red Terror” times.
        The person of Arkady Gaidar (Golikov) is still one of the most mysterious myths of the Soviet period for most Russians. Not only for people of the older generation, but also for modern youth, he remains a wonderful children's writer, the creator of works of great educational value. And the activities of Golikov-Gaidar during the Civil War are painted in romantic tones for many - they say, he joined the Red Army at the call of his heart at the age of 14 and fought for a well-known idea passionately and unselfishly.

        The fact that Arkady Gaidar was not all right in his head was first widely and openly written by the historian and literary critic Mikhail Zolotonosov in the Moscow News newspaper (23.01.2004/58/1924). He said that Gaidar ended his stormy “revolutionary activity” by commanding the XNUMXth separate regiment, which became famous for its unheard-of cruelty in suppressing a peasant uprising in the Tambov province, and then fighting at the head of special forces with the detachment of the “white partisan” Ivan Solovyov in Khakassia. “Here his traumatic neurosis manifests itself, and as a result, in December XNUMX, Golikov left the army and switched to literature,” notes Zolotonosov.
        Biography (objective) granddaughter will appear in about ... twenty years.
  41. +2
    15 January 2016 23: 37
    "Gaidar's forum" one name evokes terrible disgust. Forum participants such as Chubais, Kudrin, Gref and other right-wing liberal riffraff, whose actions bring complete harm to Russian citizens, deserve a place not on the forums, but in Kolyma
    1. 0
      16 January 2016 08: 57
      Who will fire them, they are irreplaceable, and the forum is their personal forum, they are their own boss.
  42. +3
    15 January 2016 23: 47
    Where is Putin? Why does he allow such “forums” where the majority of members of his government frankly cannot do anything or deliberately sabotage their work?
    It’s a big plus to the author for raising this problem!
  43. +5
    16 January 2016 00: 37
    Gref believes that Russia is a downshifter. Russia believes that Gref is a downer.
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  45. +2
    16 January 2016 08: 27
    Gref wants to privatize Sberbank and VTB. This is a complete destruction of the country’s economy. They need to be driven out of the country by the neck.
  46. +1
    16 January 2016 09: 56
    All Gaidar's rot and abomination to the mines - maybe at least there will be benefit for the country from them!
  47. +1
    16 January 2016 11: 20
    It is imperative to reduce expenses - starting with specialists such as economists on this forum. Everyone is expendable!
  48. +1
    16 January 2016 12: 06
    All liberals to Israel!
  49. +1
    16 January 2016 12: 49
    Let them gather for now. You need to know ghouls by sight.
  50. +2
    16 January 2016 13: 02
    Yes, it is clear what was discussed at this forum, how, without undertaking any reforms, one can leave one’s well-being at the same level at the expense of the well-being of the country’s population. And the proposed measures are appropriate, increasing levies and taxes, increasing prices and tariffs, reducing social spending and military spending. All! Yes, great specialists!
  51. +1
    16 January 2016 13: 58
    Karoche.
    The idea of ​​social democracy aka the free market aka the common market aka the market system aka the monopoly race has once again proven to be unscientific.
    To this day, the only more or less coherent and closest work to science remains the popular scientific work “Capital” by K. Marx.
    Moreover, all the speakers at the said meeting obviously did not read further than the first part of this work, and even then in some places.
    And therefore they confidently step on the same rake, further aggravating the situation in Russia.
    Something needs to be done with them.
    How many of those present in the comments transferred their funds from Sberbank?
    I took everything.
  52. 0
    16 January 2016 14: 21
    I understand everything, bourgeois, etc. etc. But! Why is oil getting cheaper and gasoline getting more expensive? So it’s not just about the people discussed in this article?
  53. +5
    16 January 2016 15: 28
    A forum named after a fat talker who has ruined millions of people with his policies will not be able to “degenerate” anything worthwhile...
  54. +5
    16 January 2016 15: 44
    Forum of traitors and enemies!
  55. +3
    16 January 2016 18: 04
    My hand has been itching for a long time laughing laughing

    On air"Эхо Москвы" May 25, 2013 Chief Russian Sodomite Nikolai Alekseev openly called "persons of homosexual orientation", among whom was Gref.
  56. +2
    16 January 2016 18: 49
    Together with the sanctions and oil strangulation, they want to declare us losers through the mouths of high-ranking traitors. And the fact that this is still just Gref is a test, like: “are the plebs grabbing?” If yes, then you can prepare more specific recordings of this fact, in the form of any conditions, agreements, etc.
    they did this absolutely illegally in ’91, and although still.
    But, I hope, we are already very different - thanks to them for the lesson, but we won’t believe it anymore, and we can only give a kick to the troublemakers - the Maiduns, the pale ones - out to Ukraine, to Masha with the strange surname Gaidar! Let's buy some seeds and wait to see how long the Saudis and the United States can stand it. They do not have a safety margin, it will not be enough for 16 years, it is fraught with the collapse of the Saudi kingdom almost fatally, and for the states - until the first unaccounted factor aggravating the situation, both natural disaster and economic, say, panic buying of gold or something else.
    But we, if we don’t spoil our own soup, we will survive both.
  57. +4
    16 January 2016 20: 45
    I almost always read the comments, I wanted to put a plus somewhere, where I agreed... somewhere a minus, where I absolutely did NOT agree, but since there were no comments from me, this was forbidden to me. Perhaps this misunderstanding needs to be corrected, because some topics are really sensitive.

    Then someone noticed that there were a bit too many new messages. Here either people have the same problem as me)) Or... a crowd came here en masse to troll and inflame sentiments. I noticed the latter on other sites as well.
    1. +4
      17 January 2016 16: 59
      Quote: ALLxANDr
      a crowd came en masse to troll and stir up sentiments

      An example of this is the forums and blogs of Echo-Moscow.
      it feels like the entire contingent of the site “censor.net” moved there and all the Baltic mongrels, as well as deprived emigrants, came running
      although on the liberal echo you can meet quite reasonable liberal opponents with whom you can have a sensible conversation smile
  58. +3
    16 January 2016 20: 56
    Gaidar Forum, Yeltsin Center..what..really..."They" are coming back again??????...Where is the I.S. Stalin Center???
    1. cap
      +2
      17 January 2016 05: 04
      burningburning
      Quote: t118an
      Gaidar Forum, Yeltsin Center..what..really..."They" are coming back again??????...Where is the I.S. Stalin Center???

      Gori. Georgia
  59. +2
    16 January 2016 21: 41
    Why are you indignant... That’s why we know everyone by sight...
  60. +1
    16 January 2016 23: 47
    Minister of Communications and Mass Communications Nikolai Nikiforov said during the Gaidar Forum that Russia does not need a domestic operating system. This was reported by the Moscow City News Agency.

    “There is no need for any Russian operating systems, which journalists love to ask about. We need global projects, we need integration, at least with our colleagues in the BRICS bloc. And I see it as my mission in the ministry to create precisely such conditions and implement precisely such projects of global integration, market diversification and Russia’s breakthrough into these global markets,” said the Minister of Communications.

    That's it - Russia doesn't need anything of its own. And this is what the minister says... I have only swear words - there are not enough words for these rulers of Russia...
  61. +1
    17 January 2016 04: 19
    Well, they can’t be the smartest, the most greedy - yes. It happened - they drove us, it’s scary to remember. They said that whoever surrendered would become an army accountant. Whether as a midshipman or as a warrant officer, I don’t remember. Met in civilian life - well, bubbles from the nose. I studied as a candidate - I doubt that I have intelligence - I don’t.
  62. +1
    17 January 2016 09: 09
    what did you expect from the Bad Guys forum?!
  63. 0
    17 January 2016 18: 49
    Quote: Region 34
    Our president apparently learned from childhood that socialism means poverty, capitalism means prosperity. Plus Sobchak apparently brainwashed him well.

    I would like to hope that Putin will nevertheless understand that the course needs to be changed. He must understand that a country that is unable to defend its interests will be occupied. A country that is unable to create a modern developed industry and is entirely dependent on imports will be captured and the population turned into slaves. A country that abandons its elderly is unlikely to be a worthy country " Egor Kholmogorov
  64. DPN
    0
    17 January 2016 19: 39
    The capitalists gathered, drank, ate and chatted, probably at state expense, and they don’t give a damn that Russia is overgrown with weeds.
  65. 0
    18 January 2016 20: 03
    We have regions with several climate zones. The administration of one of the districts located to the north orders a project to build a house in a warmer area. They built a house, administration at all levels claps their hands. Saving budget money is obvious, less building materials are spent. The house turned out beautiful. Only problem arose in the first winter: the house is not as warm as the builders promised. And everyone blames the builders. And the fact that the house is not originally intended for this climate zone, which no one takes into account

    And we’re talking about the Gaidar Forum here