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Today, 15 January ends the so-called "Gaidar Forum", which is considered an intellectual platform for discussing the most important aspects of the Russian economy in the system of the economy of global scale. If we talk about the goals of the forum, held since 2010, and named this year “Russia and the World: A Look into the Future”, then they officially sound as follows:


attraction of leading world scientists and practitioners to a joint discussion of economic and political problems;

maintaining an ongoing expert dialogue on key political and economic issues;

reflection of the main trends and key events of the national and global economy and politics;

development of strategic proposals and recommendations for the development of the national economy;

Russia's consolidation of a solid place on the intellectual economic map of the world and the status of an important center of global economic discussions at the highest level.


The organizers of the discussion platform are the Gaidar Institute for Economic Policy and the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation). The forum’s permanent experts include such people as Federal Minister Mikhail Abyzov, Chairman of the Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Anatoly Aksakov, Head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service Igor Artemyev, Chairman of the Committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on Labor, Social Policy and Affairs Olga Batalina, veterans, Industry Minister Denis Manturov, Deputy Director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations, Flax Civil Initiatives Committee Evgeny Gontmakher. The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrei Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others.

The experts - bright, of course, heads - gathered, drank coffee tanks, ate pretty, economic issues were discussed. Well, what, actually, to be with one of the main points of the list of goals of the “Gaidar Forum”, and specifically with the item “elaboration of strategic proposals and recommendations for the development of the national economy”? What, in fact, have come? ..

At the time of the preparation of the article of the final document, the experts did not give birth, but there appeared statements regarding what will be reflected in this document (if it appears at all). In particular, a number of economic gurus who arrived from abroad (well, those who, like many of our “experts”, including representatives of the supreme power, declared a complete collapse of the world economy with oil prices, first below 80, then below 60, then below 40 dollars per barrel ...) announced that for Russia the oil prices at the level of 100-120 dollars per barrel are literally "damning". So, Harvard University professor Timothy Colton stated literally the following (quote RBC):

You do not need oil at $ 120 to get growth. The crisis will stimulate reform. True, the current government has been in power for many years, and they have not been held before.


Apparently, all Russians need to make one conclusion from this statement by a Western professor: well, that “golden time” has come when the reformist power of representatives of the Russian government finally wakes up. At a price of 100-120, a dollar per barrel, of course, I didn’t really like to scratch and knock on my finger - petrodollars filled the budget with rivers, but at the price of oil in 25-35 they will start, you know, everything will be reformed, they will start! ..

So what do the world economic gurus propose to the Russian government that the economy, as they say, jumped at a gallop. The essence of the proposals was actually reduced to one thesis: to reduce costs. They say that as soon as you (we, Russia) “optimize” your “exorbitant” expenses, as soon as you reconstruct, obviously according to the Gaidar scenario, the economic model, so multi-percentage growth will not take long to wait ...

"Gaidar Forum". Experts harness ...


From the speech of Professor University of California Barry Eichengreen:
To reduce budget expenditures - you first need to understand why the budget is built in such a way that it needs to be reduced. For countries with large public debt and significant deficits, spending cuts are inevitable. On the other hand, if the budget deficit is due to temporary difficulties - lowering prices for raw materials - and you are sure that they will grow soon, then you do not need to significantly reduce spending.


To put it mildly, a controversial statement.

First, who told Mr. Eichengrin that Russia has a large public debt? If we are guided by his “postulate”, then with the national debt that, for example, the United States or Japan have, these states should have cut expenses for a long time so that their citizens would have had their last forage found. However, they do not dozhe ... There is enough food.

Secondly, what does the term “if you are sure that they (oil prices) are going to increase, then ...” mean? It seems that this professor Eichengrin is still that level 80 troll, because he hardly seriously believes that the rise in oil prices depends on how Russian economic “experts” predict him and on how deeply the faith of these very specialists in the growth of oil prices.

In general, the fact that the overwhelming majority of economic gurus discussed only two topics attracted attention: how much Russia needs to cut costs, and what could be the price of oil in the near future. By the way, in the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, apparently, they listened to the arguments of American experts, and decided to cut expenses by another 10% ... And, as always, with the wording: no reduction in strategic sectors, of course, will not affect ... Of course ...

It turns out that all professors, major experts in economics and economic affairs gathered at the forum with the goal of stating that even without them it is obvious, as they say, to any housewife: the Russian economy, unfortunately, during all the years of bureaucracy on the inflow of petrodollars has not been reconfigured to the note that minimizes the dependence of the raw material on the filling of the budget. And the same experts offer two alternatives as an alternative: either to rely on the rise in prices for "black gold" or to cut expenses by tightening the belts. If this is economic professionalism and foresight, then on our website alone, a couple or three thousand readers, it is time to assign professorships in the field of macroeconomics. If only because we are precisely able to optimize our own expenses better than any economic guru of the Gaidar Forum, which is used mainly to “optimize” expenses from other people's pockets and is very sensitive to the content of the pockets of our own ...
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  1. Leprekon
    Leprekon 15 January 2016 05: 49 New
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    That's why she is intelligent. While intellectuals compete in eloquence, the people work hard!
    It’s hard to forget how the “great economist” Gaidar himself told us about his future sweet life, sitting at the cottage with a cup of tea with honey gingerbread and chocolate candies, and this at a time when the people, at best, got paid by galoshes, pans , and at worst in general, sat for months without work or salary.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 15 January 2016 06: 39 New
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      One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.
      And look for and put on the most important posts in the Government of Russia patriots of industrialists who know how to produce specific industrial and agricultural products, and not blown economic statistics.
      She doesn’t cope with her work - during the time of removal from work, sending to a lower position, so as not to interfere, in spite of any “friendly”, family ties.
      In this regard, a good example of the Great organizer and statesman I.V. Stalin, his Stalin's People's Commissars, who in 10 years made the world's strongest industrial power from backward agrarian Russia.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 15 January 2016 06: 58 New
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        In this regard, a good example of the Great organizer and statesman I.V. Stalin, his Stalin's People's Commissars, who in 10 years made the world's strongest industrial power from backward agrarian Russia.

        Yes, Stalin did not arrange hostile forums on our territory.
        Here, after all, it’s over as in the case of a woman: listen to what she offers - and do the opposite.
        Well, what is the use of Russia in following the recommendations of our geopolitical and internal enemies in economic policy?
        The fact that they are enemies, they have already proved, so we must act exactly the opposite!
        1. Skif83
          Skif83 15 January 2016 08: 33 New
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          Stalin sent them to felling forums with a jigsaw, and the country did not bother with their "great" economic ideas!
          But, as the author wrote:
          ... all the professors, major experts in the field of economics and management, gathered at the forum in order to ascertain that without them it is obvious, as they say, to any housewife: the Russian economy, unfortunately, has been was not reconfigured to the note that minimizes the raw material dependence of the budget filling
          if even these scorched "economists" understand that in Russia nothing was done but the distribution of petrodollars, and was not done precisely by those who attended this grief-forum, starting from the Twitter Prime Minister, then ... you need to tie up with these forums.
          Loafers and pests on a national scale have designated themselves, they must first be disposed of. Just not like with Khodorkovsky, but according to Stalin ...
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 15 January 2016 11: 16 New
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            Quote: Skif83
            need to tie with these forums.
            Loafers and pests on a national scale have designated themselves, they must first be disposed of. Just not like with Khodorkovsky, but according to Stalin ...

            - Yes, at least as with Khodorkovsky - it’s already so restless ... that you want to get rid of it somehow, if only you would not occupy posts here and do not return.
            And I’d rather begin to implement the Glazyev’s proposals ... What is Putin delaying? There, Glazyev’s everything is painted according to notes — you take power into your hand and do it. Friends offended? LiKuan Yu was also offended, but now he has friends all over Singapore and forever
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            2. VB
              VB 15 January 2016 23: 30 New
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              Putin can not do anything, he fostered these figures, put them in their places, they are flesh from his flesh.
              1. larand
                larand 16 January 2016 05: 41 New
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                Quote: VB
                Putin can not do anything, he fostered these figures, put them in their places, they are flesh from his flesh.

                Obviously, the phrase attributed to Putin, “Russia does not surrender its own,” refers to, and, perhaps, mainly to the Kremlin’s manor. And the servitor serves the one who pays the most. There were earlier foreign agents in power. Why can not they be now. Their task is not to run around with the grenade and poison in the Kremlin, but to bring the economy into the swamp, which is done in front of the guarantor.
                1. DPN
                  DPN 17 January 2016 19: 24 New
                  +1
                  Khatabych is right you, he does not abandon his own, for that he speaks beautifully.
          2. oblako
            oblako 15 January 2016 12: 42 New
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            These economic experts can objectively propose real economic reforms, because: firstly, they objective reasons interested in maintaining the "status quo".
            secondly, the answer to the question whether one person can create conditions for another that are objective in nature (not depending on his will and consciousness) is positive. It is precisely because of these circumstances that the forum is in the best case of a terminological meaningless idle talk, in the worst - an anti-state ideological event in the framework of the information war.
            "The guard is tired"
            M. Zheleznyak
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 15: 51 New
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              Quote: oblako
              "The guard is tired"

              "Who's temporary here? Slime!"
              the author is the same sailor good
            2. stopkran
              stopkran 15 January 2016 17: 27 New
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              Pin-dos have thrown the economic "dead cat" to the liberals and they are conscientiously scraping it.

              “... Russia, as you know, has two troubles - fools and roads.
              Recently, a third has been added to them -
              The Liberal Fools who SPECIFY roads ... "
              Acad. D. Lvov (1995 RAS)
              “... An obvious paradox is looming:
              The economic situation in the country worsens from year to year,
              and economic science at the same time successfully develops and almost flourishes ... "
              Prof. Dan. I. Drohobytsky (1995, Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation)

              On the mismatch of economic science:
              “The concern, however, is not the inadequate choice of goals (economic development: our explanation when quoting), but our inability to accurately hit any of them. The alarm that I spoke about earlier is caused not so much by the separation from practice of the tasks that modern economists are trying to solve, but by the obvious inadequacy of the scientific means by which they are trying to solve them. ”
              Leontiev V.V. Economic essay. - M .: Politizdat. 1990. - S. 265, 266. - Laureate of the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1973, one of the developers of the balance method of "input - output".
              http://e-dotu.ru/2012/05/o-tekushhem-momente-2-104-2012g/2/#note-3521-6
          3. jktu66
            jktu66 15 January 2016 16: 15 New
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            The notorious figure Gerych Gref has already declared Russia and every Russian downshifter, who lost world competition. And this is after his sensitive leadership of Sberbank. What h.r.e. on the money of the country can you trust this clever man ???
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 16: 58 New
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              Quote: jktu66
              What h.r.e. on the money of the country can you trust this clever man ???

              based on personal friendship.
              And just google on the topic of "hera", who his friends are, where he came from, etc., maybe the truth will be revealed to you.
              1. Allitet
                Allitet 16 January 2016 23: 00 New
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                It's time to carry out "purges" in a party line, otherwise the traitors have settled. By crawled out, emboldened by the "patriots" your mother! It became a little more difficult, so immediately ran out of steam, crap. And we must support the President in any situation!
            2. stopkran
              stopkran 15 January 2016 17: 10 New
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              Quote: jktu66
              ... money of the country can be trusted in this wise guy?


              Sberbank has long been a private shop, like the Central Bank, if Che.

              Federal Law of December 02.12.1990, 395 N 1-20.04.2015 (as amended on April 02, 1990) "On Banks and Banking Activities" (December XNUMX, XNUMX)

              Article 9. Relations between a credit institution and the state

              A credit institution is not liable for state obligations. The state is not liable for the obligations of a credit institution, unless the state itself has assumed such obligations.

              - that simply means: if your wallet does not answer according to your obligations, then this is not your wallet! )))
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 15 January 2016 17: 42 New
                +2
                I agree with you. But why then almost all social payments go through Sberbank - pensions, benefits, maternity capital, etc.?
                1. stopkran
                  stopkran 15 January 2016 20: 57 New
                  +2
                  You can conclude a service agreement with any bank. The fact is that Sber inherited from the USSR got the largest network of branches throughout the country.
              2. newl
                newl 15 January 2016 21: 25 New
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                Quote: stopkran
                Sberbank has long been a private shop

                You are mistaken. A controlling stake in Sberbank belongs to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. He also controls it.
                Quote: stopkran
                as the Central Bank, if Che.

                If so, the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)” does not agree with you.
                Quote: stopkran
                - that simply means: if your wallet does not answer according to your obligations, then this is not your wallet! )))

                In a simple way, this means that you do not need to write on these topics. You do not understand them.
                1. stopkran
                  stopkran 16 January 2016 12: 00 New
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                  How is everything running-o- .. Even the victims of the exam have long been aware that the Central Bank is a branch (exchanger) of the US Federal Reserve. According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Art.; The Central Bank is independent of all branches of government, and is controlled by audit firms only from London, and not by some native account chamber there.
                  . "Let me manage the money of the country."
                  and I don’t care who creates its laws. "
                  M. Rothschild
                  http://pr0zrenie.narod.ru/Information/02_04.htm
                  And in the subject, for your overall development:

                  The nationalization of the ruble. The way to save Russia
                  http://nstarikov.ru/blog/6120

                  Import of inflation to the Russian Federation.
                  http://kob.su/articles/import-infliatsii-v-rf

                  "The inflationary pump, or the secret of the US well-being and our poverty"
                  http://kob.su/sites/kob.su/files/pictures/infl_nasos.swf

                  The Central Bank as a tool for organizing a collapse scientifically. http://pr0zrenie.narod.ru/Information/02_07.htm
            3. znorick
              znorick 15 January 2016 17: 43 New
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              Gref, among other things, does not consider the territory of Crimea Russian. He, as the head of Sberbank, has not yet organized the opening of bank branches in Crimea. On the official website of Sberbank you will not find either the Republic of Crimea or the city of Sevastopol (http://www.sberbank.ru/ru/about/today/territory).
              The reason, the possible imposition of sanctions when opening branches in the Crimea. Those. Western officials have more influence on Gref than the President of Russia.
              1. vartutr
                vartutr 18 January 2016 02: 18 New
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                Correctly and does: Crimea was, is, and will remain the territory of Ukraine.
            4. Skif83
              Skif83 15 January 2016 23: 41 New
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              And if we stop taking loans, how will the Gref sing?
              A. measures (well, more precisely, probably, the representative of "bohoizba-a-nnogo" oo-oa-da) hoisted the whole world on a credit needle.
              In Russia, usury has always been considered a SHAME. This, in essence, is modern lending.
              So you need to break off the grefs from the business!
              The majority, and the vast majority of people, take loans for something that they can easily do without.
              And the bankers are fattening ...
              1. newl
                newl 16 January 2016 00: 14 New
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                Quote: Skif83
                In Russia, usury has always been considered a SHAME. This, in essence, is modern lending.

                Well, let's just say that, not always. Only in the Islamic period, which is associated with religious characteristics. There is even such a special term "Islamic banking" (islamic banking). But it was a very long time ago, before I. Grozny.
                Quote: Skif83
                And the bankers are fattening ...

                You can’t, like them, do not envy. Envy, a bad feeling.
                1. alexej123
                  alexej123 16 January 2016 01: 20 New
                  +2
                  Here you are distorting. How do they "can"? Which banks are the largest in Russia? State or with overwhelming state participation. Therefore, the opponent is right - Gref then gives loans not from his own money, but from my and other citizens of the Russian Federation. He would have organized his own bank — let the flag be in his hands, what interest on loans he wants, even if he does. And to use and dispose of state property, as your own?
                  1. newl
                    newl 16 January 2016 09: 53 New
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                    Quote: alexej123
                    Gref then gives loans not from his own money, but from my and other citizens of the Russian Federation.

                    So you authorized him to do so. When they brought their money to Sberbank. What claims after that?
                    Quote: alexej123
                    And to use and dispose of state property, as your own?

                    Sberbank, this is not state property. This is a mixed form of ownership. 49,99% of the capital is private.
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                3. Prophetic
                  Prophetic 16 January 2016 19: 15 New
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                  In Russia, usury has always been considered a SHAME. This, in essence, is modern lending.
                  Well, let's say this, not always. Only in the Islamic period, which is associated with religious characteristics.
                  And what was the Islamic period in Russia? Your grass is picky, however.
                  And the bankers are fattening ...
                  You can’t, like them, do not envy. Envy, a bad feeling.
                  I am truly sorry for you. Concepts such as honesty and justice (I'm not talking about something higher) are not available to you. Grandmas obscured everything.
            5. AlexW
              AlexW 16 January 2016 09: 28 New
              +3
              The situation with Sberbank is very dangerous. Millions get their pension through it, their miserable savings are stored there .. Gref is an enemy and does not hide it. He can suddenly create problems for these millions of pensioners. And then they go out into the street. Is the authorities happy with everything? -No me! I will urgently liquidate the remnants of my contribution to the Security Council and raise a question for my pension department about changing the bank. Moreover, the percentage of contributions to the Security Council is significantly lower than even official inflation. While the Security Council leads Gref, there is no confidence in the bank!
              1. Prophetic
                Prophetic 16 January 2016 19: 40 New
                +1
                You can bankrupt any bank. It is enough to start massively taking money from it. If Sberbank goes bankrupt, the whole of Russia will be bad. Are you doing this? Don't like Gref? Go to the single picket "Down with Gref!" Perhaps we will support you in this. If you want to take money, do it quietly. There is no need to shout about it publicly, my dear American friend.
                P.S. Something suspiciously a lot of newcomers started up with us, which offer money to be taken from banks, then the government to shoot.
                1. AlexW
                  AlexW 16 January 2016 21: 34 New
                  +1
                  It is not so simple to bankrupt a bank, all the more so the Security Council with a controlling stake in the state. But the outcome of deposits will force shareholders to take action to the manager. "Single picket" - a comment on the site is that a massive picket? :) As for the flag, this is not a question for me, as well as about the need to re-register on the site.
              2. max2215
                max2215 17 January 2016 09: 46 New
                +1
                The situation with banks is very interesting, most employees do not even ask (especially state employees) whether they want to be served at this bank at all, and Sberbank has been set up so many times, especially in 90, to trust him, not to respect himself. And indeed in our country, the banking system is not for customers, but customers for it, you can lose money instantly. On the other hand, holding the money in a stocking is also not an option; the best option is to change the system, for which? it’s an interesting question, in socialism, in which way I didn’t really want to, but such libero-bureaucratic capitalism does not suit everyone except bureaucracy and Gaidarism.
                Glazyev is a strong economist, but all his ideas will be localized by local princes, and to squeeze this pack, gentlemen, you need an oprichnina, like under Grozny, and with complete confiscation of everything, it doesn’t matter to grandfather or grandmother, well, like now- you do not pay child support, so you can not drive a car, liberal democracy ......
        2. Hon
          Hon 15 January 2016 09: 06 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          Yes, Stalin did not arrange hostile forums on our territory.
          Here, after all, it’s over as in the case of a woman: listen to what she offers - and do the opposite.
          Well, what is the use of Russia in following the recommendations of our geopolitical and internal enemies in economic policy?
          The fact that they are enemies, they have already proved, so we must act exactly the opposite!

          only the Siluanovs, Medvedevs, Golikovs and others will act, it’s because they occupy positions, I doubt that they will do the opposite
        3. Kostyar
          Kostyar 15 January 2016 13: 57 New
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          The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others.

          That's where you need to detonate a tactical nuclear charge!
          So that not a single bastard breaks !!!
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          2. unsermann
            unsermann 16 January 2016 18: 18 New
            +1
            Only Delyagin was not there! Mikhail Gennadievich is just a convinced ANTIgaydarovts.
          3. gunya
            gunya 16 January 2016 19: 43 New
            +2
            Kostyara (3) RU

            Why so cool?
            Or maybe easier: "German Gref, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexei Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others." - All this audience led by “iPhone” should be directed to the restoration of the forest industry in the Northern Urals? Godikov so 10?
        4. znorick
          znorick 15 January 2016 17: 27 New
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          Here is a review by Mikhail Delyagin about, quote, "Hitler" forum:
          1. unsermann
            unsermann 16 January 2016 18: 17 New
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            This is an adequate reaction! But this is where the author Delyagin saw in the activists of the forum ???
        5. larand
          larand 15 January 2016 19: 46 New
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          Quote: hydrox

          The fact that they are enemies, they have already proved, so we must act exactly the opposite!


          Unfortunately, as they say, they act in the same way, since everything is in their hands. Well, we have become an incomprehensible substance for them, which mumbles something about justice and other "Soviet nonsense." During the time that has passed since the bourgeois coup, in the Russian Federation there was a clear division of the population into masters of the country with their servants and servants and other "Russians" with a living wage of 90 bucks a month. Therefore, the less these "other" will be, the more comfortable the hosts will be. That is the whole economic policy of the current government. They stole and squandered billions, and we are urged to "tighten our belts."
        6. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 14: 13 New
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          Well, I didn’t like it.
          Arranged.
          Councils met and discussions were held regularly.
          But if after such advice and the expiration of the time allotted for the implementation of the adopted decision, the effect was not needed, then advisers and experts went to courses on logging and the extraction of other resources providing gold and foreign exchange income.
          This colloquium should already process one hundred hectares.
        7. dustycat
          dustycat 16 January 2016 14: 13 New
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          Well, I didn’t like it.
          Arranged.
          Councils met and discussions were held regularly.
          But if after such advice and the expiration of the time allotted for the implementation of the adopted decision, the effect was not needed, then advisers and experts went to courses on logging and the extraction of other resources providing gold and foreign exchange income.
          This colloquium should already process one hundred hectares.
      2. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 15 January 2016 07: 58 New
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        One reform is needed - to drive all liberal economists into the neck

        The Gaidar Forum can rightly be called Hitler's, given the consequences that the policy of the liberals gathering at this forum has.
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara 15 January 2016 14: 29 New
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          I would give another example. About the dead either good or nothing. How can the forum be called the name of the person who ruined the Russian economy.
          Wonderful times when people began to starve to death.
          And what about his statements about retirees? They still remember him with a "kind word with matyuzhkami."
          As for me, this is approximately the same as the forum of the Ministry of Defense called Serdyukovsky. wink
          1. znorick
            znorick 15 January 2016 17: 48 New
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            "About the dead, either good or nothing but the truth."
            Chilon (VI century BC) is an ancient Greek politician and poet, one of the "seven wise men."

            But the truth is terrible - rightly pensioners commemorate him with “kind words”.
        2. Viktortopwar
          Viktortopwar 15 January 2016 18: 10 New
          +8
          You are right, there gathered those who can be taken out from there in handcuffs and bunks (at best). Although not .... there should be a short conversation with enemies of the people.
      3. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 15 January 2016 08: 04 New
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        Yes, we would now have only one E. Primakov, and give him unlimited power ... oh dreams, dreams.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 15 January 2016 08: 19 New
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          More precisely, L.P. Beria, whoever is missing. In the government, they would run and not spend their salaries ..
          Quote: vkfriendly
          Yes, we would now have only one E. Primakov, and give him unlimited power ... oh dreams, dreams.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 15 January 2016 09: 22 New
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            There was a question: What have you done for the common cause? What are your results? Today the question is: How much did you get rich in your position? That is the whole question. Either you close up a hole, or you dig values ​​while others are busy. Closed a hole, you honor and respect. Engaged in personal enrichment? The state will take care of you, give protection, fresh air, guaranteed work for the benefit of society. Feel the difference!
          2. Petrol
            Petrol 15 January 2016 12: 46 New
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            dmi.pris
            Stalin's second wife was Kaganovich’s sister, Rosalia Kaganovich, respectively, the entire repressive apparatus was headed by his cousin on the female line, Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria.
            Stalin was before the war in the ticks of Koganovich only after the war, the initiative belonged to the hands of Stalin
            1. gunya
              gunya 16 January 2016 19: 55 New
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              And why did he pick up such a picky before this stuffing?
              Do better polishing breech Waltzman!
          3. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 16: 15 New
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            Quote: dmi.pris
            More precisely, L.P.Beria, that's who is missing

            For this, at least Iosif Vissarionovich is needed, and as a maximum the October Revolution.
        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 15 January 2016 13: 55 New
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          Do you think Putin now has less authority than Primakov? Believe me, grabs above the roof. It’s just that he actually didn’t carry out any reforms for 15 years, and the main achievement in the economy is, in fact, high oil prices. But now there are no prices, it turns out there are no achievements. Whether he has the will, and most importantly the desire, to carry out reforms is a big question. Although the current crisis may really push him. In our country, until the thunder struck. . .
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 15 January 2016 14: 08 New
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            Quote: Nikolai K
            Whether he has the will, and most importantly the desire, to carry out reforms is a big question.

            So Putin has long given three answers to this one question - "now is not the 37th year", "there will be no one to work with", "the results of privatization will not be reviewed"
            1. Alf
              Alf 15 January 2016 22: 07 New
              +5
              Quote: sa-ag
              So Putin has long given three answers to this one question - "now is not the 37th year", "there will be no one to work with", "the results of privatization will not be reviewed"

              Four answers. The fourth sounds like this — There will be no change of course.
              1. Alf
                Alf 15 January 2016 23: 21 New
                +2
                Quote: Alf
                Four answers. The fourth sounds like this — There will be no change of course.

                Can a minuscule refute? Or just decided to rip off?
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 16: 48 New
            +6
            Quote: Nikolai K
            It’s just that he actually didn’t carry out any reforms for 15 years

            This is the pure truth!
            Quote: Nikolai K
            But now there are no prices, it turns out there are no achievements.

            Fact! yes
            Quote: Nikolai K
            Whether he has the will, and most importantly the desire, to carry out reforms is a big question.

            You contradict yourself.
            Either I didn’t carry out the reforms .. or is there enough will to carry out ...
            It all depends on what you expect from him? If socialism? then it’s definitely not him! continuation of destruction, then probably.
            you don’t even need to go to grandma.
      4. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 15 January 2016 08: 16 New
        31
        Stalin kept wonderful organizers and farm managers, and not expensive loafers and burners of life. It’s bad that the “forge of cadres” of these same leaders-Plekhanovka turned into a liberal swamp and is training cadres to destroy the state ..
        Quote: vladimirZ
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.
        And look for and put on the most important posts in the Government of Russia patriots of industrialists who know how to produce specific industrial and agricultural products, and not blown economic statistics.
        She doesn’t cope with her work - during the time of removal from work, sending to a lower position, so as not to interfere, in spite of any “friendly”, family ties.
        In this regard, a good example of the Great organizer and statesman I.V. Stalin, his Stalin's People's Commissars, who in 10 years made the world's strongest industrial power from backward agrarian Russia.
      5. Xergey
        Xergey 15 January 2016 08: 27 New
        -11
        That's all right write, and who will we put it? The question of backfill, something with experience in mega projects, is not a liberal, and at least half honest and loyal to Russia.
        1. NORILCHANIN
          NORILCHANIN 15 January 2016 09: 14 New
          -8
          Air Defense Party led by Starikov!
          1. znorick
            znorick 15 January 2016 18: 00 New
            -4
            Sorry, but what department is Starikov capable of leading?
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 15 January 2016 18: 14 New
              +4
              Quote: znorick
              Sorry, but what department is Starikov capable of leading?


              )) Historians, songwriters ....
        2. 34 region
          34 region 15 January 2016 09: 27 New
          22
          Who will we put? Or can we pose the question differently? Who will we shoot? He bankrupt the enterprise, made the region subsidized, here you have a minimum wage with mandatory work for society. Today the enterprise is bankrupt, the region is subsidized, and the management is in chocolate! Fine!?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 January 2016 10: 59 New
            +1
            This is how you will remove the owner of the enterprise from his own enterprise - now most of the plants and factories, including city-forming ones, are private businesses.
            1. varov14
              varov14 15 January 2016 14: 19 New
              +2
              Within 12 months to send successive owners to the forefathers - 13 will be a patriot or return everything to the state.
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 15 January 2016 17: 45 New
                -2
                Send to the ancestors by what mode of transport?
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 18: 08 New
                  12
                  Quote: alexej123
                  Send to the ancestors by what mode of transport?

                  there is a gallows, a guillotine, a machine gun Maxim.


                  [img] https://reibert.info/useralbums/409175/standalone?embedded=1 [/ img]

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              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 15 January 2016 20: 33 New
                +1
                They won’t return anything to the state because they didn’t take anything — those who acquired it weren’t necessary to deal legally, and those who created on their own didn’t touch anything — otherwise it would be a raider attack.
              4. Prophetic
                Prophetic 16 January 2016 21: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: varov14
                Within 12 months to send successive owners to the forefathers - 13 will be a patriot or return everything to the state
                You look how nimble to send to forefathers! And who will decide who to send and who to wait for? You? Or maybe you? those. one will work hard, and the other, with the guns in his hands, will not do a damn thing or doing a gossip, stand behind him, and decide who to shoot and whom to leave? This is pure gangsterism. It was already passed. That is interesting, and why it is that some overly zealous citizens decided that they would hang and shoot it. And if them? No buddy, everything should be according to the law!
            2. gunya
              gunya 16 January 2016 20: 04 New
              +1
              If the company goes bankrupt, the owner is no longer there.
              Put state. directors with specific restoration and development tasks.
              The same "owner" for bringing to bankruptcy in the fresh air for the acquisition of labor skills (can be a janitor at the place of residence) for 5 years with the confiscation of the acquired "overwork".
        3. znorick
          znorick 15 January 2016 17: 58 New
          +9
          http://www.partyadela.ru/

          Head of Government - Babkin
          The head of the Ministry of Economic Development - Delyagin
          The head of the Ministry of Education and Science - Fursov (not to be confused with Fursenko!)
          The head of the Ministry of Agriculture - Melnichenko
          etc. The benefit of worthy, responsible and experienced people in Russia is enough.
        4. gunya
          gunya 16 January 2016 19: 58 New
          0
          To vskidku:
          Is the same Rogozin, Glazyev, Boldyrev - enough?
      6. Hon
        Hon 15 January 2016 09: 04 New
        16
        Quote: vladimirZ
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.
        And look for and put on the most important posts in the Government of Russia patriots of industrialists who know how to produce specific industrial and agricultural products, and not blown economic statistics.
        She doesn’t cope with her work - during the time of removal from work, sending to a lower position, so as not to interfere, in spite of any “friendly”, family ties.
        In this regard, a good example of the Great organizer and statesman I.V. Stalin, his Stalin's People's Commissars, who in 10 years made the world's strongest industrial power from backward agrarian Russia.

        well then drive Putin, because this is his team
        1. kassandra1991
          kassandra1991 15 January 2016 11: 04 New
          +1
          And who will drive them away? They are power .... and money .... and the army! But there was no successful experience of the socialist revolution in the world.
      7. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 15 January 2016 09: 06 New
        16
        I fully support! And this forum, judging by the composition of the representatives, is hostile and there is no need to pay attention to it at all! These "specialists" have the very place behind bars, and not on any forums!
        1. cap
          cap 15 January 2016 13: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Saratoga833
          I fully support! And this forum, judging by the composition of the representatives, is hostile and there is no need to pay attention to it at all! These "specialists" have the very place behind bars, and not on any forums!

          There is simply nothing to comment on in one talking room. A sadness over what is.
          Although something "rational" sounded. From the lips of a doctor of science if you have not forgotten. Economic.
          “In any case, so that, as Alexey Ulyukaev hopes, Russia becomes a comfortable country for life by 2030, it is absolutely necessary to start acting now. However, the authorities understand that the restructuring of the economy with any approach cannot go on bloodless for everyone.”
          “Meanwhile, the authorities are very optimistic about the upcoming privatization, considering it a salvation from economic failures and expecting that the budget will be replenished through the sale of assets. For example, at the last Gaidar forum, Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev called for the transfer of the two largest Russian State Bank - Sberbank and VTB: "I believe that we should return to the issue of privatization of our largest banks with state participation - Sberbank and VTB. Very high-quality assets that are attractive all over the world, "the minister said to RIA Novosti."

          Here are the words of the minister and explained everything.
          As the sea guys say, “we’ll drink it all, but we won’t disgrace the fleet.”
          That something like this. hi
          1. znorick
            znorick 15 January 2016 18: 05 New
            +6
            In contrast to the Hitler-Gaidar forum there is the Moscow Economic Forum http://me-forum.ru/. The "domestic" media are trying not to mention him, although he works all the time. This is one of the few platforms where sound proposals and development plans for the country are discussed and developed.
          2. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 15 January 2016 22: 43 New
            +7
            "... at the last Gaidar Forum, Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev called for privatization of the two largest Russian state-owned banks - Sberbank and VTB:" I believe that we should return to the issue of privatization of our largest state-owned banks - Sberbank and VTB. Very high-quality assets that are attractive all over the world, "the minister said to RIA Novosti."
            How to understand this? There is a chicken laying golden eggs. The state receives part of the golden eggs. They offer to sell the chicken so that the golden eggs never enter the treasury again.
            What is the benefit to the state?
            Can anyone explain this to me? A bank is not an asset that requires large investments, but activity is unprofitable. A bank is an organization that makes money from the air: using almost free money invested, it gives loans at high interest rates. The state by its laws has made it so that in the price of each purchase of an ordinary citizen a certain part is given to banks, starting from the use of borrowed funds in the production process, ending with the issuance of a loan by the buyer. Almost without a loan today, an ordinary citizen cannot make a single purchase, the price of which is several salaries. To save money for a large purchase is useless - the money will depreciate, and the cost of the goods will increase, that is. if you do not buy on credit, then inflation will make savings void.
            Actually, in the Security Council, the state receives a significant part of social payments, under which the bank provides loans, i.e. the state provides most of its business, but the minister wants to deprive the state of a share in profits.
            Who does the minister care about?
      8. NORILCHANIN
        NORILCHANIN 15 January 2016 09: 12 New
        32
        The "Gaidar" forum is forbidden, and all of the above SHOBLA-ASSESSMENT in a direct way to the FSB pre-trial detention center. It's time to end with the enemies of the people and the State of Russia. I can not get tired of these bastards!
        1. kassandra1991
          kassandra1991 15 January 2016 11: 07 New
          10
          It would be nice to do so. Just remember - who in the FSB? Who will put himself?
          1. Petrol
            Petrol 15 January 2016 12: 23 New
            +4
            kassandra1991
            and why whine who the FSB and so on ??? as Oleg Veshchiy said - "what are the Rus and such is Russia"!
        2. Prophetic
          Prophetic 16 January 2016 20: 21 New
          0
          Quote: NORILCHAN
          To ban the "Gaidar" forum, and all of the above SHOBLA-ASSEMBLY directly go to the FSB pre-trial detention center. It is time to end with the enemies of the people and the Russian State

          There is! Yes sir! When to order to start !? soldier
      9. andre
        andre 15 January 2016 09: 35 New
        +4
        But the "experts" do not want to voice the fact that everything was falling apart, both industry and agriculture, and trade was given a green light. And so we came to the conclusion that this hour is happening, a mess !!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 January 2016 11: 03 New
          +3
          Now everything works for us, both industry and agriculture and everything else - the current crisis is the best time to fully engage in our own business - foreign import has become more expensive.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 15 January 2016 18: 53 New
            0
            If everything works, then why the crisis? After all, everything works! What is the crisis in a working economy?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 15 January 2016 20: 36 New
              +1
              The crisis is because it is dependent on external factors - Russia is in a single world trade, we have a market economy - everyone has a crisis.
              1. 34 region
                34 region 15 January 2016 22: 21 New
                +2
                Bullshit is all this. If there is a crisis in the global economy, then why should we get into this economy? If there is no forward movement in a market economy, but only crises, then why do we need a market economy? A market economy is an economy of crises. She does not make a better life. But here it creates chaos and poverty. Russia has an independent policy! Well, where is she, this independence? Russia rises from its knees! Why are you shaking us like that? What money is not enough in the budget if our production is developing intensively? Can Vadik explain this?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 16 January 2016 18: 11 New
                  0
                  We are shaking because a part of the profits and taxes coming to the treasury is tied to the supply of oil and raw materials abroad — this product is now abundant abroad — these products are becoming cheaper, which results in lower tax revenues to the state treasury. If there is a crisis in the global economy, then why should we get into this economy? - Russia has been a part of this economy since the times of the USSR and we are there to make money - there is no alternative to this and will not be.
          2. Alf
            Alf 15 January 2016 22: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now everything works for us and the industry

            Name at least one domestic TV, consisting entirely of domestic components. And to collect from a set of parts that came from China, a lot of intelligence is not necessary.
            Also remember the “completely domestic” yutafon, about which all the ears buzzed the year before last, and tell me, what is domestic in it, except for the packaging?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 January 2016 17: 57 New
              0
              It doesn’t matter what the working industry produces, the main thing is that taxes go to the treasury properly.
      10. Armax
        Armax 15 January 2016 09: 56 New
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.

        Drive unconditionally, but this is not enough.
        Here a man said a year ago:
        1. epsilon571
          epsilon571 15 January 2016 19: 01 New
          +9
          ArMax RU Today
          Drive unconditionally, but this is not enough.


          Bravo Valentin Yurievich, this is what we want to hear today from our government! See how it is in Russian, directly and frankly. And what we hear and see in the stands of the Gaidar Forum is the swollen faces and bullshit, and they still broadcast it all day.

          The government needs to be changed, and if the President, our guarantor of the constitution supports them, then him. Yes gentlemen, it is him!
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 15 January 2016 19: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: epsilon571
            The government needs to be changed, and if the President, our guarantor of the constitution supports them, then him. Yes gentlemen, it is him!

            of course supports.
            Look here .., is this for whom the speeches7 for the I.D.O.T.T.O.?
            Or maybe they understand each other? belay
            1. 34 region
              34 region 16 January 2016 00: 02 New
              +4
              From the dilapidated Soviet economy created a large Western-type economy! Here he is right about the Western type of economy. Only the economy is regionally raw, and not large. A monstrous mistake to return to the past! Oh well! Achievement to join the global economy and shake with it. And what kind of global players are we? Passive? Indeed, sanctions are being introduced against us, they are threatening us. We can help companies in paying off external debts! And you say there is no support for private business! The authorities are not going to wait when the price of oil rises! And there wasn’t even a drop in prices. Balanced budget policy. Implementation of a social program and support for the economy. Selling grain instead of oil? Listen to him of course interesting. Only questions and skepticism arise a lot after his words. But you won’t be able to ask him. Psychology of a small shopkeeper. I do not see global thinking in his speech.
          2. dzeredzavkomimu
            dzeredzavkomimu 15 January 2016 21: 47 New
            0
            and the redhead with toburetkin is another confirmation of this, they also prayed on Roosevelt in the USA, brought them out of depression, and won in their war, but still chose Truman, the analogy is visible, although not explicit
      11. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 15 January 2016 10: 14 New
        26
        And the whole essence of Gaidar’s reform - to take and divide the state, then naturally sell everything - the theory of a small and very vile shopkeeper was applied to the whole country and as a result the economy was destroyed and the co-authors and authors of these reforms again decide what to do with Russia? The word Gaidar itself should already be abusive, the name of Judah and the bastard. And now, the successors of the reforms are again urging the state to sell the shares of Sberbank, VTB 24, and various defense enterprises and, as before, to ruin them.
      12. kassandra1991
        kassandra1991 15 January 2016 10: 57 New
        11
        Yes, but where to get Stalin? Does our oligarchy allow such actions? They will not be able to rob further, they simply will not be. Have you forgotten what social and political system we have and whose power? Personally, I do not see in this situation our people have a different fate from the fate of sheep in a slaughterhouse. He wanders obediently for the Chubais-Gaidars ..... well, himself, where anyone can follow their example.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 15 January 2016 13: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: kassandra1991
          Yes, but where to get Stalin? Does our oligarchy allow such actions?

          Based on the support of law enforcement agencies, one can “convince” any oligarchy. We ourselves need to pay less attention to these thieves. The rotten government did not appoint itself and affirm ... well, that’s the topic ... The question is who organizes such Gaidar gatherings and what hopes the President of the Russian Federation places on him, if for the population these Belshazzar feasts are less and less understood ... what
          1. newl
            newl 15 January 2016 22: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: yuriy55
            Based on the support of law enforcement agencies, one can “convince” any oligarchy.

            So you can be convinced in many ways. For example, it is shock to cut coal seams in Stakhanov quantities in a face with a jigsaw. For soldering balandy and a place on the plank beds. Would you like to try? Or do you prefer to sew in a warm office? But how does it fail and have a jigsaw? It can turn in every way.
      13. Burmistr
        Burmistr 15 January 2016 11: 42 New
        20
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.


        Here's an interesting video about how exactly the financial oligarchy led by the liberal government bred us:

        watch from 13.50
        1. Schulz
          Schulz 15 January 2016 11: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Burmeister

          watch from 13.50

          Hmm .. if an economist instead of dry numbers, statistics, examples and arguments begins to say that economic policy should be spiritual and pro-Orthodox, then the thing is probably completely rubbish.
      14. avdkrd
        avdkrd 15 January 2016 12: 05 New
        18
        Quote: vladimirZ
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.

        Right! Everyone who personally felt the "genius" of the great economist Gaidar had an unequivocal opinion about the nature of his reforms as the most destructive process in the Russian economy. As a result of his "reforms", the economic ties of the former USSR were destroyed, entire industries grew up in a landfill, agriculture was destroyed, and the population of the whole country was robbed. Privatization, as Gaidar’s colleague in the craft of Chubais said, pursued one main goal - preventing the reanimation of the Soviet economic model and, as a result, eliminating the preconditions for the return of the political socialist system (independent). All Gaidar's reforms can be reduced to the imposition of financial, food and industrial dependence on the West, by destroying the legacy of the USSR. The Gaidar Forum and the Yeltsin Center are links in one chain. Enrages that our Prime Minister speaks at the first, and our Guarantor speaks with laudatory odes to the second. The Gaidar Economic Forum, which solves the problems of the Russian economy, sounds just as hypocritical as if a Hitler forum had been convened to solve the problems associated with genocide ...
        The good news is that all the Enemies at such meetings take off their masks, regardless of their speeches, by their presence alone. Not happy when you see who is there from the officials.
        1. PValery53
          PValery53 15 January 2016 14: 28 New
          +6
          The "economists" of the Gaidar Forum make up their own respectability, are happy to scold Russia. But they are to blame for the deterioration of the country's economy.
      15. kiparis
        kiparis 15 January 2016 14: 06 New
        +1
        I’m embarrassed to ask ... Who should drive?
      16. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 15 January 2016 15: 30 New
        +9
        Here is the PERL from German Gref READ BELOW: Russia, this is a downshifter country!
        Correcting the situation is necessary by abandoning the "old Soviet system of education" cramming "children with an enormous amount of information" and get involved in the technological revolution.
        NO WE WILL RIPPLE NARROW-DIRECTED, ALREADY NOT "SHIFTERS", just DOWNS! USE TO HELP!
        As they say without comment!
        How to turn on? An example of a Chinese conveyor is a million nonsense, where each faceless individual stupidly solders a single, dedicated chip only for him, well, or something else? Hello, come! Hello slave system, and preferably, for a cup, well, not rice, expensive, for you rice, pearl barley or oats will cost. Thank you "Mr." Gref, for our "happy future".
        PS two words from our foreign minister, everyone knows them, the phrase is winged!
      17. tiketa55
        tiketa55 15 January 2016 15: 35 New
        +5
        I completely agree with you that Stalin should not have been political repressions in 1937, just the exact same times as now have come. The political elite and the military, among other things, simply stole, and Stalin had no choice but to plant and shoot. But he made a mistake which turned in the end against the country, instead of telling the people the truth that the Bolsheviks stole defending the honor of the uniform invented the political enemies of the people. As a result, our and internal and external enemies took good advantage of the result of the collapse of the great power. Therefore, Putin or his successor has nothing left to do how to cleanse the elite from insolent werewolves.
      18. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 15 January 2016 15: 46 New
        -7
        Quote: vladimirZ
        In this regard, a good example of the Great organizer and statesman I.V. Stalin, his Stalin's People's Commissars, who in 10 years made the world's strongest industrial power from backward agrarian Russia.

        As the GULAGs were closed, the Stalinist economy was blown away, why did Stalin hire capitalists to build factories for him if his commissars were so smart.
        Vavilov, a world-famous scientist, was killed, and how many medical professors?
        Stalin Russia is definitely not enough that he squeezed out idiots.
        1. newl
          newl 15 January 2016 22: 21 New
          -3
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          As the Gulag closed, so the Stalinist economy was blown away

          Because in essence they were slaves. But "brilliant Stalinist socialism" could not exist without slaves.
          So he died little by little, this socialism, until the "first happiness" happened. Rather, it was the second happiness, but the real first happiness was wisely pitted by the "wise pocked leader". It's me about the price of oil. Its price from 1945 to 1948 increased almost 2 times. And it remained more or less constant for quite a long time. But then, a little oil was produced in the USSR, so the USSR could not profit much on this topic. Stalin was not particularly interested in the topic of hydrocarbons. And why, if there is a gulag?
          Everything changed after Khrushchev came to power. Cunning Nikitos quickly realized where it smells of solid and eternally dying green money. Therefore, in 1961. he adopted a program to increase oil production by 4,75 times, and gas by 14,8 (!!!) times. And all this until 1980, i.e. for 20 years.
          Well, actually, from that moment (XXII Congress) everything started. Then Khrushchev was replaced by Brezhnev (1964), but the program worked. The production and export of hydrocarbons increased, their prices did not fall, which led to "a steady increase in the welfare of Soviet citizens." Brezhnev liked the population.
          And then that very “first happiness” happened (caught, not overslept by Dzhugashvili). It happened in 1974-75. The price of oil increased by about 2,5 times. And in 1979-80. about 2 times (almost 5 times in total). The USSR simply bathed in petrodollars. No, he basically squandered them all (he squandered them, not stolen), but the population also got a few little things. Of course, all this was attributed to the "wise Leonid Ilyich" and the wise policy of the CPSU. And still many praise the "great Brezhnev." Although in fact the pusher of this topic was Nikitos.
          And then, in 1986, oil fell in price. Not very strong, in nominal dollars about 2 times. But the "addict" was already sitting tight on the needle. And he extended another 5 years.
          That's what happens to them, drug addicts.
          Here is also a mystery for lovers of conspiracy theories - oil fell in price in 1984, and troops entered Afghanistan in 1979. Is it too much time to connect these events? And the drop was not very big, only about 2 times. Then, in 1997, after all Afghanistan (and the USSR), oil fell even steeper, more than 2 times.
          1. newl
            newl 15 January 2016 22: 39 New
            0
            Quote: newl
            oil fell in price in 1984, and troops entered Afghanistan in 1979.

            Pupil. Oil fell in price in 1986Mr.
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 16 January 2016 20: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm

          As the GULAGs were closed, the Stalinist economy was blown away, why did Stalin hire capitalists to build factories for him if his commissars were so smart.

          Just think - the maximum number of prisoners in the period 1934-39g. made up no more than 2% of the working population and 1% of the total population. (1939. The population of 190 million prisoners is 2 million). How did the Stalinist economy depend on these 2% of which half actually worked at best?
      19. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 15 January 2016 17: 20 New
        +2
        The only question is to whom to sell the product.
        Markets, markets, and again markets ...
        What can we produce that would be in demand in the world.
        In the USSR, for example, a huge amount of shoes was produced. Only no one wore it.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 15 January 2016 18: 59 New
          0
          And what did we go to in the Union? recourse
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 15 January 2016 19: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          What can we produce that would be in demand in the world.

          Mostly weapons.
      20. alone
        alone 15 January 2016 18: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.

        But what about the One who appointed them to these posts?


        P.S. As always, the King is good, the boyars are bad.
      21. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 15 January 2016 19: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        And seek and put on the most important posts in the Government of Russia patriots of production workers

        And who will be looking? What are the criteria? And who will bet? And where? To the corner?
        Quote: vladimirZ
        knowing how to produce specific industrial and agricultural products, and not blown economic statistics

        Judging by publications in the press, appearances on various inform-TV channels, we have such smart people - a dime a dozen. Glazyev is mentioned in vain, Zyuganich gives all his might ...
        I remember one of the co-authors of "500" days. No, not Shatalin. And the one that was presidential methyl under the slogan "Do you want to live like in Europe?" In company with the daughter of the Japanese ... wassat
        As soon as he did not criticize the government of the late Chernomyrdin, he watered and denounced from all possible sites. But when the prime minister invited Yavlinsky to work in the government, the wringing of his hands began as in a disgraced schoolgirl.
        So what am I talking about .... Being invited to work in government and ministries is an honor to the invitee. But will the invited one pull the post entrusted to him? Would she like to?
        Remember Vovka in the distant kingdom from an old cartoon? "... You are the king? You are supposed to do nothing!"
      22. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 15 January 2016 21: 37 New
        +2
        Everything connected with E. Gaidar, purely intuitively, causes me to reject. Coward and talker. Economy and does not smell. Only dubious theories on this subject. No responsibility for the end result.
        At one time there was a popular joke:
        - I see! I see the light at the end of the tunnel !!!
        - This is the oncoming one, Yegor Timurovich ...
      23. VB
        VB 15 January 2016 23: 28 New
        0
        That's right. I’ll only add, not only to shoot, but also to send forcibly digging a channel, sawing a forest, etc.
      24. Proxima
        Proxima 16 January 2016 16: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        In this regard, a good example of the Great organizer and statesman I.V. Stalin, his Stalin's People's Commissars, who in 10 years made the world's strongest industrial power from backward agrarian Russia. [/ B]

        Yes, Putin, in this regard, would not hurt to learn from Joseph Vissarionovich. Putin, of course, is an outstanding personality, a brilliant political strategist, and as a business executive he is FULL ZERO. And our country, especially in our time, needs exactly the OWNER.
      25. Ivan Mokhovikov
        Ivan Mokhovikov 16 January 2016 23: 51 New
        +1
        Late, I had to think earlier, after 1991 Russia will not recover
      26. ksan
        ksan 17 January 2016 11: 19 New
        0
        One reform is needed - to drive into the neck all liberal economists, lawyers, led by the clumsy Dima Medvedev in the Government of the Russian Federation, along with their entire Gaidar Forum.
        The name itself "Gaidar Economic Forum" sounds like a synonym "Hitler's Congress of Jewish Communities." Gaidar has the same relation to the economy as Hitler has to Jews and they say that US has an ideology banned belay And is liberalism not an ideology ?? The discovery of the "New Mausoleum" for state money, a drunkard and mediocrity, who put the country under the hammer and led an unprecedented plunder of the country comparable to the losses in the Great Patriotic War - is this not an ideology ?? And the awarding of the Order of Alexander Nevsky, for services to the Fatherland, to Gorbachev - whose man hates the half of the country, former President Medvedev - is this not an ideology ?? And the people - shit, will tolerate, most importantly - business, a sacred cow - is this not an ideology? The state is secondary, the main thing is the personality, anyway, what does THIS personality make and what is it from itself - is this not an ideology ?? Yes, we still have some IDEOLOGY !! Gaidar-Liberal ideology at the state level.
    2. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 15 January 2016 07: 03 New
      18
      We saw a reduction and optimization of costs in the 90s. In our country. Shock therapy. Now we see the next series in Ukraine.

      The sense from these foreign and domestic experts is zero!

      For the economy to develop, costs must be increased! Especially - budget expenses. Because our business has closed access to credit financing in Europe and the USA.
      1. Dam
        Dam 15 January 2016 08: 57 New
        22
        To lead the Gaidar forums for them is like holding a donor conference named after Count Dracula. This mediocre economist with his shock therapies destroyed the Great Country. Current iksperds offer something like that.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 15 January 2016 19: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: Damm
          This mediocre economist with his shock therapies destroyed the Great Country.

          C'mon, are you serious? Something I did not see the crowds of people supporting GKChPistov who sought to save the USSR. The Central Committee of the Communist Party ruined the country, the main Communists decided that it was time to become capitalists and found Gaidar who turned the country on a market track.
          1. Dam
            Dam 15 January 2016 21: 43 New
            -1
            Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais and a bunch of other demons, not remembered by night, tried and almost brought Russia under the rule of the Anglo-Saxons and other evil spirits. And it was precisely the consequences of their actions that nearly finished off Russia, and not just the collapse of different countries. Although without Yeltsin, the Bialowieza Bacchanalia would not have occurred
      2. NORILCHANIN
        NORILCHANIN 15 January 2016 09: 19 New
        +5
        Undress the allegorical VOREO and return the BOBLO stolen abroad, and how may
        thinks and executes PUTIN and the FSB.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 15 January 2016 19: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: NORILCHAN
          Undress the allegorical VOREO and return the BOBLO stolen abroad, and how may
          thinks and executes PUTIN and the FSB.

          And how to do it? That again, the revolution, the loot of the loot is completely destroyed and we’ll build our new world and new oligarchs will appear and then everything will be new and endless to the last ruins, maybe it’s better to work something quietly, you will look better over time, you will look and we’ll become at home the owners?
      3. 34 region
        34 region 15 January 2016 09: 34 New
        11
        Yeah! Shock therapy! Well, 30 million will die out! They did not fit into the market! As the red-haired demon Chubais said. Today the situation is similar. Those who do not have enough money do not fit into the market. Ineffective citizens are obtained. And we need to be effective, work hard, not get sick and die early!
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 January 2016 07: 47 New
      17
      I don’t know what about galoshes and pans, but we paid wages on sand and gravel on concrete goods, and our mother received flour from a friend. wassat
    4. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 15 January 2016 07: 51 New
      26
      It’s enough to look at the list of “experts” who gather at a forum named after a man who betrayed ideals, for whom his grandfather fought and died (whom I personally respect, as a person who wrote good and necessary children's books and gave his life for his country and people) and successfully leading the Russian economy to near collapse, in order to finally understand why not everything is in order in the country's economy. If these figures are allowed to manage the Russian economy and give them carte blanche, they will successfully drive the economy into a coma, without any "help" in the form of economic sanctions from the outside.
      This forum brings together people who are close in spirit, as well as kind “expert” guests from abroad. One can only hope that the Russian special services do not eat their bread in vain and monitor all the gestures of handshakes at this very forum, and the Russian government still has enough smart people not to heed the recommendations of these "economic" figures, well, at least in key issues.
      I have the honor.
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 January 2016 22: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        and there are still smart enough people in the Russian government not to heed the recommendations of these "economic" figures, well, at least on key issues.

        Lord, how many naive people remain. See what decisions the government will make. Everything will be exactly as they said at this gathering.
        And, most importantly, the Russian government consists of these very members of the forum.
    5. FID
      FID 15 January 2016 08: 28 New
      11
      Quote: Leprechaun
      That's why she is intelligent.

      Good comment .... It’s easier to say about all these “intellectuals” - STARBARS !!!!
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 15 January 2016 08: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: SSI
        . It’s easier to say about all these “intellectuals” - STARBARS !!!!

        and here you are not right brother! Rather LONG ... S! Well, these dolbyotyaty! wink
        1. FID
          FID 15 January 2016 09: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          ! rather LONG ... S! well, these dolbyotyatly

          "H" punches, in a word ....
    6. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 15 January 2016 10: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Leprechaun
      That's why she is intelligent. While intellectuals compete in eloquence, the people work hard!

      They gathered there to distract attention from problems and nothing more. Glazyev is not to be seen there ...
    7. ilyaros
      ilyaros 15 January 2016 10: 42 New
      0
      "Intellectuals" have already proven their "intelligence" in practice. Until now, the country can not move away ...
    8. pr 627
      pr 627 15 January 2016 14: 43 New
      0
      It’s called full zugzwang. It’s not even an imaginary zugzwang, it’s just some kind of ass.
    9. Starik72
      Starik72 15 January 2016 15: 01 New
      +1
      I agree with you Leprechaun. While intellectuals compete in eloquence, the people work hard! The parasites gathered, sweated, proverbially, used a cistern of coffee and ate a ton of bagels with relish, and YOU PEOPLE are content with a bagel hole.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 16 January 2016 00: 38 New
        +2
        And the donut hole also has some sort of substance. In our country, the Trudovik in school was replaced by a physicist, he explained something, but I still did not understand. laughing
    10. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 15 January 2016 15: 45 New
      +2
      A forum of extremely cynical individuals who hate everything Russian, or even Soviet, is just right to think about, or maybe Hayk is not nonsense, is that right? )) About the reptile gene?
      There Gref is talking about Russia, and about education annealing. The situation needs to be corrected by abandoning the "old Soviet education system of" cramming "children with an enormous amount of information" and joining the technological revolution. I heard the same from Medvedev, but I don’t understand, it's in it "Manilovskoe" or more seriously.
    11. sherp2015
      sherp2015 15 January 2016 18: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Leprechaun
      It’s hard to forget how the “great economist” Gaidar himself told us about his future sweet life, sitting at the cottage with a cup of tea with honey gingerbread and chocolate candies, and this at a time when the people, at best, got paid by galoshes, pans , and at worst in general, sat for months without work or salary.


      Again the rabble gathered, have not everyone destroyed in the country?
      Factories need to be built, and not an effort to attract leading world scientists to a joint discussion of problems. Discussed already from the age of 91 ...
    12. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 15 January 2016 19: 03 New
      +1
      Well, if professors from economics gathered on this forum, then the people of Russia are academics. The very name of this bunch, Gaidarovsky, does not bode well except cutting the budget at the expense of the people. For 15 years they could not get off the oil and gas needle. With a government that is not able to analyze the country's economy at least for the next 3 years, there is no need to wait for an upswing.
      Dumb Gaidar economy on the sale of the country's resources.
    13. 73bor
      73bor 15 January 2016 22: 16 New
      0
      Everything as usual is taught to the mind by those who in this nichrome does not understand and can not offer anything real!
    14. Rosich333
      Rosich333 16 January 2016 12: 44 New
      0
      Another similar crisis and the Russians in a panic will buy Europe ...)))
    15. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 16 January 2016 15: 32 New
      0
      Hello!! This forum has become just an extra. There are no longer any real practitioners at the level of the Late Academician PRIMAKOV. He always clearly defined problems and solutions. Another thing is how the authorities considered these very problems and solutions. And now, great liberal economists flashed on this grandiose party. The author hastened to call these extras the great word GURU. Primakov GURU. He ascertained and made decisions. And these gurus, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Finance, constantly flashed in a box, gave a forecast a month later, again gave a forecast where they crossed out the old one. After some time, a new forecast was made and the failure again. And remember the adoption of the budget of the country that they pushed through the DUMA. Oil below 50 is about 40 and they said in chorus all this temporarily supposedly there will be a price increase. They just accepted and the oil seemed to be waiting, the price went already to the next mark of 32-28 bucks per barrel. And these Wise Men called a guru. How low has Economic Science fallen. And now tell yourself what they can offer. By the way, Gref was much more perspicacious than these main liberal economists. He looked a little further. I can only predict one thing to the joy of everyone pushing there and I think this whole company of this It’s waiting. Privatization of state property. They probably can’t offer anything else. And now lastly. Saudi Arabia decided to part with state ownership a little. Neftyanka. And now, all the state property of the oil industry has already been valued at $ 10 trillion. The Americans are rubbing their hands, that's DA. And you say GURU.
    16. Nick
      Nick 16 January 2016 17: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Leprechaun
      That's why she is intelligent. While intellectuals compete in eloquence, the people work hard!

      If guano is intelligent, then of course you are right, the most elite guano gathered on the forum. sad hi
    17. yuriy55
      yuriy55 17 January 2016 08: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Leprechaun
      While intellectuals compete in eloquence, the people work hard!

      They did not come up with anything new. Their whole essence is here:
    18. Appraiser
      Appraiser 17 January 2016 12: 58 New
      0
      The "great" economist Gaidar E.T.! All his "greatness" is to justify the modern Russia of the clan of oligarchs (such as B. A. Berezovsky, A. B. Chubais and the like) who are ready to only take and share the country's natural wealth. It has long been necessary to recognize the fact that the statement attributed to L.I. Brezhnev:"The economy must be economical" is the most pressing contemporary task. Although the full text was: "The economy must be economical - such is the demand of the time" - the thesis was voiced at the XXVI Congress of the CPSU. Our government must first learn to live within our means. yes
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2016 05: 51 New
    36
    The Gaidar Forum. Experts harness ..
    from one name, hands themselves are looking for "Kalash" ...
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 January 2016 06: 00 New
      30
      Do not worry! !!!!!!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 January 2016 06: 20 New
        12
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Do not worry! !!!!!!!

        Looking at this Anka, the girl from the panel and the picture from the series “There are no end to customers”
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 15 January 2016 07: 11 New
          +6
          Do you want her to come to this forum in Budenovka? wassat ? Girl undercover works bully
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 15 January 2016 14: 05 New
            0
            She has some kind of cover wink
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 15 January 2016 15: 54 New
          -6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Looking at this Anka, the girl from the panel and the picture from the series “There are no end to customers”

          The original vro de did not differ much.
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 15 January 2016 06: 14 New
      29
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      from one name, hands themselves are looking for "Kalash" ...

      Suhov Yurich, please see Javdeta Chubais - do not touch him. He is mine. am
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2016 07: 11 New
        12
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Sukhov Yurich, please see Javdet Chubais - do not touch him. He is mine.

        frets, my gozman!
      2. Xergey
        Xergey 15 January 2016 08: 31 New
        +9
        Consider giving it away, but in a month there will be demand from you, if the Chubaysenok continues to harm our country, time has passed ..........
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 15 January 2016 06: 15 New
      32
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      from one name, hands themselves are looking for "Kalash" ...


      We drank coffee, ate ... That was the sacred meaning, and they still remembered the blastjacks.
      The problem of Russia since tsarist times in the almost complete absence of economists. We are rich in nature and intellectually, and therefore we don’t really count a penny, and here is an ambush. How did they slap them in the 92nd? "The market will regulate everything." . Yo, that market has so rounded up all the people that the casualties (who can calculate them exactly?) Are commensurate with the Great Patriotic War (at the expense of those who were not born!) Well, what would our economic minister be like Lavrov, the foreign minister. The ruble exchange rate in the world would be closely watched, and not Benjamin, what would he use.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 15 January 2016 06: 50 New
        24
        iliitchitch-y
        The problem of Russia since tsarist times in almost complete absence of economists . We are rich in natural and intellectual, therefore we don’t really count a penny, and here is an ambush

        What are you talking about ... Stolypin - pulled Russia out in less than seven years and was killed by "liberal terrorists", Leontyev - immigrated to the United States in the 20s and overcome the Great Depression. The same Primakov ... And who planned the industrialization and post-war reconstruction of the country? The Japanese were the first to "adopt" the foundations of state planning. We have specialists. There is a school. But there is a real, financially backed, power of liberoids with a "self-regulation" of the market and a "Bologon" education system. There are also oligarchs who are "difficult" to say goodbye to profits gained by overwork. That's it they become the main problem Russia.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 15 January 2016 09: 49 New
          +6
          Stolypin did not particularly extend Russia. The peasants did not like him. Either they were fools or he. Leontiev overcame depression? But what do these depressions appear with enviable constancy? Depression was defeated by Nazi support for America and Union orders for products. Then the war oiled well. Then after the war plentiful grease. Why do we have oligarchs? Our president, apparently, from childhood, learned socialism-poverty, capitalism-prosperity. Plus Sobchak apparently brainwashed well. Therefore, the course towards capitalism will be firmly maintained. Nationalization will not be. The remnants of state property are shoved in all possible and impossible ways into private hands.
    4. Finches
      Finches 15 January 2016 06: 18 New
      40
      Tarantino has a film - Inglourious Basterds with a plot full of historical nonsense! So, this forum of our liberal economists can be safely called, like this movie! laughing
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      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 15 January 2016 07: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        Tarantino has a movie


        As at the Komsomol meeting, I didn’t see the kin, but I will support the party’s line. And then I'll watch a movie, honest Komsomol!
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2016 07: 07 New
        17
        Quote: Finches
        Tarantino has a film - Inglourious Basterds

        about our players?
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 15 January 2016 07: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          about our players?


          Moderators, how can I put a lot of advantages here, well, a person should have a bonus for golden words!
      4. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 15 January 2016 07: 25 New
        16
        Tarantino has a movie ..

        The supreme governing body of the IEP is the Scientific Council ...
        The IEP Scientific Council approves the composition of the IEP Board of Trustees - the body of supervision and control of the Institute.
        The Board of Trustees of the Institute includes G. O. Gref, A. L. Kudrin and A. B. Chubais. The Executive Director of the Institute is S. V. Prikhodko.

        Here they are - our "heroes" ..!
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 January 2016 08: 13 New
          +9
          Quote: Tra-ta-ta
          The Board of Trustees of the Institute includes G. O. Gref, A. L. Kudrin and A. B. Chubais. The Executive Director of the Institute is S. V. Prikhodko. [/ B]

          Not a single scientist! or even a "looking" scientist ... Officials, and a "world-class shit" ...
          Such (Chubais ... Mavrodi ... Gref ...) and the United States gives birth every 10-15 years ...
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 15 January 2016 17: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Tra-ta-ta
          G. O. Gref, A. L. Kudrin and A. B. Chubais ... S. V. Prikhodko.
          Here they are - our "heroes" ..!


          Um ... the firing list ... more precisely, an extract from it ...
  3. Darkboy2012
    Darkboy2012 15 January 2016 05: 52 New
    25
    Yeah and Kudrin his mother .. again - to raise the retirement age, cut the military budget - well, who is he after that? ... (
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 15 January 2016 06: 36 New
      23
      Quote: Darkboy2012
      Yeah and Kudrin his mother .. again - to raise the retirement age, cut the military budget - well, who is he after that? ... (


      Kudrin .. When it was removed from Russia, 250 billion greenery. That is why he was recognized in the West as the best pro in the world of finance ??? These "wise men" must be driven away with a piss rag and away ..
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 15 January 2016 08: 24 New
        20
        Yes, as I now remember his words about investing 100 billion rubles. in the "super-reliable low-income stocks of American companies Fanny May and Freddy Mack", cat. Suddenly went broke. Where is the money, zing? And it climbs the government again?
        Zadolbali already iPhones. What, is there not enough money in the budget? Elementary - we “optimize” a dozen governors like Khoroshayev, along with deputies and deputies of deputies + hands. Fed. Representation + Depot State + ATC + etc. etc. = The country's budget is filled for a year + for the lunar program remains. Well, by golly, I’m tired of stealing a penny and watching how these cattle live, without hesitation.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 15 January 2016 09: 57 New
      +4
      Kudrin after that, the best economist in Russia! Listen to him, a competent man! Economic garbage (those who do not generate income) or cut back, or not pay. Everything should be paid (well, except for wages, of course). His sentences in a nutshell. Raise the retirement age, raise taxes. In general, a person for growth and increase!
  4. venaya
    venaya 15 January 2016 05: 55 New
    +8
    At a price of about 100-120 bucks a barrel, of course, I really didn’t really want to scratch and poke a finger on a finger

    This is perhaps the only thing they have to agree with, they hope for an "uncle", that is, it was really reckless from my point of view, but this mistake is not only of the current government, it (this mistake) unfortunately has been very, very many years.
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 15 January 2016 06: 05 New
    +9
    Liberals scratched their tongues?

    "Everything is wrong, everything is bad, crisis, ordinary people, people, crisis, pensions, war, everything is bad, urgent reforms, hell knows what, reforms are everything! ... thank you all, I have to go home to Nice, there is no maid for work" .
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 15 January 2016 09: 01 New
      16
      We hit the plug - the riot is very bad. Silence is also not good, otherwise they will report “up” that everything is fine. Foul situation. Fucking ripening, having a brain will not twitch, but muddy will always be found. But an example before my eyes, how not to do it:
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 15 January 2016 16: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: iliitch
        But an example before my eyes, how not to do it:

        the picture pleased - Hakamada is still Wang))))
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 16 January 2016 17: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: avdkrd
          Hakamada is still Wang


          Yes, she’s not the only one such as these organisms begin to broadcast from the TV with a serious look, so immediately on the sofa horizontally, so as not to fall. They just throw hu .. rgu, stupidity rolls over. It seems that they studied in serious universities, read books. Some kind of clinic.
      2. stopkran
        stopkran 15 January 2016 17: 17 New
        +4
        “Give Hakamanda to the Japanese instead of the Kuril Islands!” Zhirinovsky.
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 16 January 2016 17: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: stopkran
          “Give Hakamanda to the Japanese instead of the Kuril Islands!” Zhirinovsky.


          After 10 years, the poor Japanese will have to join the Kuril Islands.
  6. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 15 January 2016 06: 08 New
    +5
    Among the forum’s permanent experts are such people as ... Anatoly Chubais and dr.

    " And etc." Did the Head of Government act as Ikspert or as the Contractor of the forum "look for Kalash’s hands"?
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    from one name, hands themselves are looking for "Kalash" ...
    wink
  7. as150505
    as150505 15 January 2016 06: 08 New
    +4
    All of these intellectuals are in Lefortovo. That's who is stirring up water. As you do not obey them, all is Khan.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 15 January 2016 07: 04 New
      +5
      Why do they need us in Lefortovo?
      Feed them there, spend food ...
      It’s better to feed the homeless, they, at least, will be at least grateful ...
      1. Alexanast
        Alexanast 15 January 2016 08: 55 New
        +8
        Exactly, there is nothing to feed them in Lefortovo. It’s better to collect them all, but send them overseas, such as for an internship or for promotion or for permanent residence. It will be interesting to see how much time they lol you need to break their economy into ... fuck.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 15 January 2016 08: 10 New
      10
      Quote: as150505
      All of these intellectuals are in Lefortovo.

      Yesterday, while switching channels, I accidentally stumbled upon the news - Mr. Yevtushenkov was acquitted "for lack of corpus delicti", although before that they had been accused of money laundering and illegal privatization of Bashneft, which means that several billion would be rolled back in time, as I understand, Khoroshavin
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 15 January 2016 15: 06 New
        0
        No, it’s just that Bashneft was taken from Yevtushenko, which is why they brought the criminal offense. Now the Moor can go. In our country, the main raiders are those who sit in high offices and give instructions to the "independent" courts, the prosecutor's office and the investigation.
  8. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 15 January 2016 06: 09 New
    +9
    I was neighing ---- said the ex-ambassador of Ukraine to the United States and Israel, Yuri Shcherbak.

    “If we talk about catastrophic events in Russia, they can have a heavy impact on Ukraine, because waves of refugees can go to Ukraine, millions of people, and this will create a very difficult situation here,” the diplomat said in an interview with Radio Liberty .
    that's what I eat, these people smoke .. he still called 2017 bloody in Russia - in the course of us we will run out of patience and the beginning of the distribution of the scribe am
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 17 January 2016 08: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Yak-3P
      that's what I eat, these people smoke ..


      Today's Ukraine resembles a shabby chick that has screwed up in life, and now urgently you need to stick to at least someone, but there are still plenty of show-offs. It’s sad somehow, I don’t even want to gloat for some reason. Here they are talking about the sale of land. Yes, sell Senya, this is a brand. But the owner doesn’t care, it’s time to buy new shoes, and then some kind of Ukraine.
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 15 January 2016 06: 10 New
    17
    On this forum, only sailors with Mausers were lacking, and therefore there is a feeling of incompleteness.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 15 January 2016 15: 08 New
      0
      But on this forum there are enough sailors with Mausers. smile
  10. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 January 2016 06: 17 New
    +9
    gathered, drank coffee tanks, - this is the whole result of this coven! recourse
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 15 January 2016 06: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      gathered, drank coffee tanks - this is the whole result of this coven!

      Not all - “Gazprom was forbidden to call itself a“ national treasure. ”This was achieved by the Federal Antimonopoly Service. According to its head Igor Artemyev, the country’s possessions may be people or something like that, but not Gazprom smile
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 15 January 2016 07: 13 New
        +8
        Quote: Bayonet
        "Gazprom" forbidden to call themselves "national treasure"

        Ohhh!
        What is the property of what nationality !?
        Dominant!
      2. Alexanast
        Alexanast 15 January 2016 08: 58 New
        +7
        the property of the country may be people or something like that


        Here is a "something like that" and gathered on this forum.
      3. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 15 January 2016 10: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Gazprom was banned from calling itself a "national treasure."


        Well this really is a national treasure. You walk, you know, along the street, and you feel a national treasure in your pocket. My grandfather, a war hero, would have unscrewed his head like a froze in a war, so that Kazzu, who put this phrase on TV, would not scoff at people.
  11. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 15 January 2016 06: 19 New
    21
    "... My uncle had a brothel, when things started to go bad, he did change girls, not beds." About reforms (with
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 15 January 2016 13: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: B.T.W.
      "... My uncle had a brothel, when things started to go bad, he did change girls, not beds." About reforms (with


      Someone is changing girls, and someone is empty store full ... cartridges. laughing

      So here. There is such a name for the film: "They drive the horses being shot, isn't it?" In our case, the horses were not driven, not driven. In our case, these are the old nags and the "retired" geldings. And is this bunch trying to teach us to trot? what
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 15 January 2016 15: 13 New
      0
      Your uncle LADY is not interested? Would take to work, it seems to me the very place.
  12. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 15 January 2016 06: 20 New
    10
    The most interesting thing is that all these specialists are not responsible for anything. Gathered, verbiage exercise and parted. And who will work on a specific job?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 January 2016 06: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: LÄRZ
      And who will work a specific job?

      The one who rules the country.
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 15 January 2016 06: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: LÄRZ
      The most interesting thing is that all these specialists are not responsible for anything. Gathered, verbiage exercise and parted


      And they spent a lot of money on it, which must be saved.
    3. smith7
      smith7 15 January 2016 06: 40 New
      +7
      I totally agree! In the case when you do not answer for anything concrete, you can "wang" as you like. A bunch of "thrashing" from the economy. Yes, and the forum itself is named after the very "trepatch" who was admitted to the helm. The consequences were catastrophic ... Surnames "well-known personalities like German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexei Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others." Only Delyagin does not cause idiosyncrasy.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 January 2016 08: 04 New
        10
        There is still not enough of this little boy in pants, like him ... In, I remembered, LADY! LADY is not enough, well, a drawer Fenech. crying
  13. 1536
    1536 15 January 2016 06: 22 New
    19
    This whole forum is just bullshit. Some gather by inertia, others to "openly" justify the people’s money spent on them from the budget. Loafers, in a word!
    The whole economic situation fits into one sentence: "Oil and vodka prices no longer affect anything in Russia."
    Nobody Winter will take rubles even at 1000 for the price of vodka.
    But exorbitant exactions for rent, spending on all sorts of state unnecessary government agencies such as the "Open Government" and other nonsense, packed today in various kinds of "funds", "development institutions" and "global politicians" have been annoying for a long time! And they irritate first of all those whom this "expert party" dares to discuss.
    In general, on this forum, the old old film "Lenin in October" should be shown in the background. The characters of the last years of tsarist Russia with whom V.I. Lenin so successfully fought in October 1917. And it is clear why this success became possible.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 15 January 2016 08: 17 New
      0
      Quote: 1536
      In general, on this forum, the old old film "Lenin in October" should be shown in the background. The characters of the last years of tsarist Russia with whom V.I. Lenin so successfully fought in October 1917. And it is clear why this success became possible.

      This film must be watched together - after! the film "Lenin in Poland"; to complete the historical picture ...
  14. volk0773
    volk0773 15 January 2016 06: 25 New
    +1
    Oil again !!! History repeats itself !!!
  15. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 15 January 2016 06: 25 New
    +2
    From the speech of Professor University of California Barry Eichengreen:
    And what did the Amerian professor forget on this forum, came to give advice? So the 90s ended and Gaidar was gone. Go home.
  16. Just BB
    Just BB 15 January 2016 06: 28 New
    12
    On our site alone, a couple of thousands of readers have long since been conferred professorships in the field of macroeconomics. If only because ...... you and I certainly know how ........... better than any economic guru of the Gaidar Forum

    Only who hears us? Or reads?
    There used to be a question in the Air Force:
    "What is the difference between a commander and a political officer?
    - The commander says: "Do as I do!"
    - Politpolit: "Do as I said!"
    Now all around are ZAMPOLITS am
  17. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 January 2016 06: 30 New
    +6
    I wonder who paid the banquet with coffee tanks? Is it not a state?
  18. asiat_61
    asiat_61 15 January 2016 06: 31 New
    +6
    Question: did this gangway get paid from the budget? If so, then everyone present to invoice for payment. It is also necessary to start OPTIMIZATION somewhere.
  19. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 15 January 2016 06: 32 New
    +8
    So, Harvard University professor Timothy Colton stated literally the following (quote from RBC):
    You do not need oil at $ 120 to get growth. The crisis will stimulate reform. True, the current government has been in power for many years, and they have not been held before.
    Apparently, all the Russians need to draw one conclusion from this statement of the Western professor: well, that “golden time” has come when the reformist ardor will finally wake up among the representatives of the Russian government.

    To awaken the Russian government, it must be placed in the same conditions as normal people live, or change the composition of the government by 99 percent.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 15 January 2016 07: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: Al_oriso
      To awaken the Russian government, it must be placed in the same conditions.


      Not in conditions, but against the wall, it must be put, and above all, the "Open Government, as the headquarters of economic espionage against Russia ...
  20. sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 15 January 2016 06: 32 New
    +2
    It seems to me that we are somehow obsessed with the economy. And we don’t want to see anything else. Our “intellectuals” just drove it into our heads and continue to drive it. And it seems to me that whatever this very economy would not be all the same. Previously, there was political economy, many of us studied it in universities and there was something else. More precisely, to whom and why all this is needed and who is enriched. Now it seems to me some kind of narrow thought in our modern "intellectuals." Something they say is predicted in the first it’s not clear what, and secondly it’s not coming true. In a word, their scientific thought in itself, and real life in itself.
  21. evgeny1979
    evgeny1979 15 January 2016 06: 33 New
    0
    And what is the order of the country ...!
  22. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 15 January 2016 06: 33 New
    +1
    https://youtu.be/edDfnYfCpeQ Здесь,как раз "характеристика" "гайдаровского форума".
  23. parusnik
    parusnik 15 January 2016 06: 37 New
    +3
    "Gaidar Forum". Experts harness .....Gaidar’s ghost wanders around Russia ... No matter how he came to life ..
  24. brasist
    brasist 15 January 2016 06: 38 New
    +1
    Continuous window dressing, it seems, they’re doing something, but in the end everything will come out like a (hero's) name and apparently all this mutata is at the expense of the budget.
  25. Signaller
    Signaller 15 January 2016 06: 43 New
    +1
    I personally liked Golikov. As Minister of Health, she’s not in any way for me, but as the Accounts Chamber she began to manage, “she’s breaking the womb of the truth.” According to her calculations, the budget of 15 years, and he did not fulfill, is truncated. So with what to cut back for 16 ????. Money remained from the age of 15. Apparently even the 16th year, even without a truncated one, this government will not be able to fulfill.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 15 January 2016 09: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Signaller
      I personally liked Golikov

      What Golikova, what Skvortsova, what Zurabov - all of one field of berries! EVERYTHING has contributed and implemented the collapse of our medicine, which we have at the present time! And I would not admire these figures!
    2. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 16: 02 New
      0
      What are you, however, if the budget is not fulfilled, and money is saved, then you can use them to increase the payment of your own labor and all those involved and close to saving the budget.
  26. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 15 January 2016 06: 53 New
    +1
    Gathered, drank coffee, and why was there coffee without cyanide ?.
  27. miv110
    miv110 15 January 2016 07: 04 New
    +6
    From the name “Gaidar Forum” it’s all clear - they invited foreign uncles to seek advice on how to earn their daily bread. Question: "Why the hell are these uncles?" And everything is obvious - according to the present constitution of the Russian Federation as a state nothing is, our state cannot conduct an independent development strategy without directions from across the ocean. This is carefully hushed up and ignored. Until this problem fundamentally changes, everything will be so.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 15 January 2016 10: 13 New
      +1
      Well yes! The Gaidar Forum is like gathering German generals in Moscow in the 41st to give advice on repelling German attacks. Cool! But generally disgusting. Begging again. Well, how much can you ask for? Help, advise! Management generally asks itself a question, why do they need us? In whose capacity and why?
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 January 2016 07: 11 New
    0
    Government and peacetime officials.
    The Supreme Commander’s headquarters during the war was not just created,
    this ensured operational control in wartime mode.
    And now everything continues at the level of long conversations and conversations.
    At the same time, the country was both robbed and continues to be robbed.
    About Putin, only the good, but Medvedev would be worth it, change.
    Although there then, half of the country's officials would be sent to uranium mines.
    1. Boos
      Boos 15 January 2016 09: 15 New
      +6
      Of course, the good thing about Putin is that he, as head of state, should not be responsible for the mess under his control. You yourself said, “At the same time, they both robbed the country and continue” ... Where is the logic? Why then Putin?
      1. varov14
        varov14 15 January 2016 15: 32 New
        +1
        The naked king introduces the masses into a stupor, they admire how they are bred.
  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 January 2016 07: 14 New
    12
    If this is economic professionalism and insight, then on our site alone, a couple of thousands of readers, it is high time to assign professorships in the field of macroeconomics. At least because we are surely able to optimize our own expenses better than any economic guru of the Gaidar Forum, who is accustomed mainly to "optimizing" expenses from other people's pockets and is very reverent about the contents of our own pockets ...

    Well boobies, as always. I wrote yesterday in the commentary on the article “Raw panic, shut them down in the hall and not let them out for at least a month until they offer a sensible way out of this situation. And to hell with inviting these wretched people from the states, they have a debt of 20 trillion to choose from, What can they advise?
    And as always, the economic bloc - la-la, three rubles, set millions of salaries, and to hell in the village, even though the grass does not grow.

    Quote: asiat_61
    Question: did this gangway get paid from the budget? If so, then everyone present to invoice for payment. It is also necessary to start OPTIMIZATION somewhere.

    200 percent agree. I even have a proposal to establish the amount of payment to government officials depending on state revenues, then government officials. Good income from the state, good salary. Bullshit income, sorry to earn. And this from all points of view will be correct, as you sink and you burst. And who does not agree, forward to a market economy, earn as much as you want.
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 15 January 2016 07: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Ros 56
      I even have a proposal to establish the amount of payment to government officials depending on state revenues, then government officials. Good income from the state, good salary. Bullshit income, sorry to earn.

      So I see, - after dinner, Ulyukaev washes a glass jar from mashed potatoes brought from the house with a cutlet ...
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 15 January 2016 08: 54 New
        +4
        in my opinion, with such a job on a cutlet he DOES NOT EARN! and he will eat mashed potatoes only if he himself grows it (potatoes) in the country. and butter is also unlikely to work!
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 15 January 2016 10: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          unlikely to work!

          I absolutely agree, if they were paid according to the final result, they would have been owed to us, and not the mansions rebuilt by themselves over the hill.
    2. dauria
      dauria 15 January 2016 10: 43 New
      0
      set the amount of payment to government officials depending on state revenues
      laughing

      Why should they pay? Sexual (waiters) in the tavern paid the owner for the opportunity to "work". To do the same - if you want to be a minister, be so kind as to monthly unfasten so much to the treasury. What is left, take it to feed yourself. laughing Anyway, this is exactly so, only past the treasury.
      Submit an ad? “The minister’s place is being leased, the rent is 3 billion per month, the deposit is 3 months in advance”
  30. Lexus
    Lexus 15 January 2016 07: 14 New
    +2
    Everyone with this hangout under the knife. Chubais is not enough - they are hiding for now.
    Oil prices are manipulated by mattresses, only the ram does not understand this. Mattresses across the throat are our aircraft and rearmament. Conclusion: the price for a long time.
    Inaction in the economy is criminal. Now it’s worth ten. But the government of thieves cannot, cannot, and most importantly does not want to do anything. Offers to wait for prices. was a good term, with all that it implies - the enemy of the people.
    After all, there are people who offer solutions - Glazyev and others.
    Yes, the brotherhood of thieves is afraid of losing the feeder right away, but they may also be under the tribunal (I hope it will be for them ..)
  31. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 15 January 2016 07: 18 New
    +4
    Well, comrades, we are getting ready to tighten our belts even more
    1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Great-grandfather of Zeus 15 January 2016 07: 32 New
      +6
      Alexander C-tighten the belt around the necks of the liberals?
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 15 January 2016 14: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Well, comrades, we are getting ready to tighten our belts even more


      Well, this is just from the news - Sberbank Head German Gref called Russia a downshifter country, a correspondent of the Russian News Service reports from the Gaidar Forum to the RANEPA.
      “Countries and people who have managed to adapt on time and invest in it, they are the winners today. Countries that did not have time to adapt their own economy, and the entire social system, and all institutions, they will lose a lot. And the gap will, unfortunately, be much larger than during the last industrial revolution, ”said the head of Sberbank.
      I’d like to ask, where did you “lousy” used to be when you led the Ministry of Economic Development, when money flowed into the country.
  32. gergi
    gergi 15 January 2016 07: 21 New
    +3
    The worthy continued the work of the Gaidar. The main jugglers of the country, thieves and talkers. As long as they show us the way, we will wander in a circle. A bunch of enemies of the people.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 15 January 2016 07: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: gergi
      While they show us the way, we will wander around


      And you do not waste time in vain, study K. Capital’s “Capital”, there are a lot of interesting things that we did not want to teach because of our age.
      1. gergi
        gergi 15 January 2016 07: 58 New
        0
        I hate Kirlumyrlu, but I got acquainted with the evonian works in due time. Very instructive reading.
        1. varov14
          varov14 15 January 2016 15: 23 New
          0
          What did he annoy you with? Did he really reveal the secret ...?
  33. Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 15 January 2016 07: 32 New
    26
    For 10 years of reforms, Russia lost 9,5 million of its citizens "Igor Rodionov, State Duma deputy 1998 General of the Army And how many were brought to death in the following? They lost their jobs, sent skilled workers to the streets did not pay wages, pensions, deprived of their savings + ruble collapse + denomination of three zeros + voucher cookie instead of the cost of two Volga cars per person, or does someone think that the Gaidar people don’t understand what they’re doing, or maybe someone thinks they don’t know that people cannot live without work and food? Or was there no money at that time? But we from the decision of a London court where two Abramovichs were tried, one by the name of the other, by name we find out how they lived and here and in London how we divided our oil aluminum, roofed each other and turned over with our billions of dollars when our loved ones were dying, and don’t we now know about the scam of the century with our largest oil and gas deposits of metals and what our largest enterprises went for nothing? I wondered why there is still no legal assessment, why no one is behind millions of our compatriots? For the impudent and cynical robbery of us and the country? For betrayal, for the destruction of everything created by our families by our ancestors? For the withdrawal of capital from the country? For turning our factories of shipping companies of aircraft of machine tools factories of oil and gas metals into villas account palaces here and in the United States? For the continuation of the placement of our money in Essa with almost no interest and for the slaughter to us? Or we don’t see where they are stubbornly consciously leading us step by step? And this is my opinion of an ordinary person.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 15 January 2016 07: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Valery 1966
      Or we don’t see where they are stubbornly consciously leading us step by step?


      So the year of everything remained, I think centuries have to wait.
      1. varov14
        varov14 15 January 2016 15: 09 New
        0
        There is no new messiah; he’s still sitting on the pot, but it’s time. The more blood the better, mutual agreements and concessions are impossible, the problem is solved radically, in favor of the winner.
    2. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 15: 17 New
      +1
      And what has changed, out of 100% of the money Russia earns, 80 goes abroad to maintain foreign pants. So the guarantor guarantees this with all the power structures available to Russia and our unspoken consent with you.
    3. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 15 January 2016 16: 21 New
      +1
      Like our cynical nano-business, "we fought with communism." Oh how! And everything else is statistics, well, they died, well, they did not fit into the "market", the main thing was communism.
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  35. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 15 January 2016 07: 37 New
    +3
    I support "gergi".
    One Gaidar ran away from the country. How can such an event be called by the name of an economy breaker?
    These economic liberalists - to the answer !!!
    Let them personally suffer from their actions, not the people !!!
    1. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 15: 02 New
      -1
      Precisely, lumberjacks need to be cleared and planted new trees - everything is neglected.
  36. Jarilo
    Jarilo 15 January 2016 07: 38 New
    +2
    Arrived, gathered, I must say something, that’s practicing verbiage, the money is paid. In reality, this whole forum is about nothing, distracting from real problems, the standard formulations and forecasts are vague. The guys apparently want to make bets, invited experts, and these experts themselves are in prostration. Is anyone going to deal with the real economy?
  37. nivander
    nivander 15 January 2016 07: 44 New
    +5
    It’s like an AIDS conference. The only conclusion is prevention and faith in God.
  38. Boris55
    Boris55 15 January 2016 07: 45 New
    +4
    In general, the forum boiled down to reducing everything, getting Western loans and dividing it.
    In principle, they cannot create these.
  39. Lexus
    Lexus 15 January 2016 07: 51 New
    13
    The government pursues a policy of genocide of the Russian people. In all available ways. Do you think grandfather Putin does not know?
    The population of Russia is declining. without housing, with poor salaries, with such a price of credit. Replenishment is only due to migrants from Asia.
    Public Enemies.
    I haven’t met a person who would say a good word about Gaidar, Yeltsin, Chubais (what to do, though big social circle, but no oligarchs), people hate them!
    It is also worthy of hatred that they will be called by their name and those who are involved in this.
    1. gergi
      gergi 15 January 2016 08: 11 New
      -3
      No need about grandpa.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 15 January 2016 22: 57 New
        +1
        It is necessary, my friend, it is necessary. It’s not too late yet. I listened to these Gaidarites - it’s sickening and scary for a country with such monsters in power. And "grandfather" is happy with everything. They breed us both on the right and on the left, exploiting the patriotism and patience of the people. But there is a limit to everything. It is only a pity that our elite has completely degenerated; there is not a single sight that the whole country would stand for. And this is the worst thing - the scorched desert of Russia's elite.
  40. Stinger
    Stinger 15 January 2016 07: 55 New
    +2
    the guru of the Gaidar Forum, accustomed mainly to the "optimization" of expenses from other people's pockets and very reverently related to the contents of their own pockets ...

    To the very point. Participants of this ailment with a kyle in their hands - and for the completion of the Vostochny cosmodrome. No kickbacks.
  41. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 15 January 2016 07: 57 New
    15
    German Gref, Alexei Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others - did not read further, their place in prison, at least!
  42. engineer74
    engineer74 15 January 2016 07: 57 New
    15
    Gaidar forum? All to Gaidar - let them discuss there!
    And on the topic (I looked at a couple of speeches) - fortune-telling on the coffee grounds and no (no at all !!!) actions, no one suggested - just "wait until there is 100500 oil!"
    1. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 14: 56 New
      0
      The guarantor needs to be more careful with his partners, even if they are dubo scraps, why should they be publicly substituted. Every couple of months, forums and carts are all downhill. Ame.ry probably subjected them to radiation, they play the role of a plate with a damaged track.
    2. doctor
      doctor 15 January 2016 15: 07 New
      0
      Now oil and 100 as happiness. smile
  43. gergi
    gergi 15 January 2016 08: 06 New
    -5
    Putin is smart if he passes this whole Gaidar scum in a week, a universal cry rises, all the dogs hang on him. It is necessary to rush meeedenly, but relentlessly and inexorably towards its goal. And his goal has long been a clear configuration, Great Russia!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 15 January 2016 08: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: gergi
      We must rush meeelowly

      Well, life is not dimensionless, you can’t get to halfway, and other people will be there. with a different vision for the future
    2. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 14: 45 New
      0
      I mean a big future pit? It would be better if he fussed in time and did not bring his Gaidar cooperative to this.
  44. Svetovod
    Svetovod 15 January 2016 08: 08 New
    +9
    And Chubais said that “they have a lot of money” from Rusnano. Here are the optimists.
    And the forks rust.
  45. Shurale
    Shurale 15 January 2016 08: 20 New
    +8
    One smart person said - if the system begins to save - this is the beginning of the collapse ...
    Do not save, but develop !!!
    But alas, to develop you need brains and experience ...
    Profane can only cut spending, it is strangers.
    If our guide offers SAVING, then I think even a child understands what needs to be done with SUCH guide ...
    1. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 14: 38 New
      +3
      And at our enterprise they say 500 people are being reduced and their working days are being cut off - caring for people so that they can rest more.
  46. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 15 January 2016 08: 20 New
    +2
    As the saying goes, "to carry nonsense from the rostrum is much easier than the log in fact" !!!
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  48. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 15 January 2016 08: 26 New
    +7
    Here I recently came across a very remarkable video. This is a must for children to show so that they don’t forget!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 January 2016 11: 53 New
      +1
      Everything must be remembered. And the main thing is to live in such a way as not to forget the past, which is still present. And who said that it is happier for most people?
    2. pts-m
      pts-m 15 January 2016 15: 01 New
      +1
      Now this video looks somehow calmer, although in those days I only thought about the amount of money left before the salary and the advance payment. Probably because I was young and counted only on myself, as now.
    3. Gorinich
      Gorinich 15 January 2016 17: 53 New
      0
      And there was no 1993 year and the burnt White House ....
  49. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 January 2016 08: 27 New
    +8
    Many brains do not need to cut the budget. Tell me how to fill it? And we can save, though mainly at the expense of the people.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 January 2016 20: 40 New
      -1
      We can fill the budget only with the help of new sales markets. And if they are not there yet, raising taxes is the only way out.
  50. uskrabut
    uskrabut 15 January 2016 08: 31 New
    12
    The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others.

    Those are still figures! Where these friends lead the country is not hard to guess.
    If you cut costs, how can the economy develop?
    In principle, it is possible to reduce: the earnings of these figures to the level of 10-15 thousand rubles. "The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others." I think the budget from this decently filled.
    1. heal
      heal 15 January 2016 08: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: uskrabut
      In principle, it is possible to reduce: the earnings of these figures to the level of 10-15 thousand rubles. "The list also includes such well-known personalities as German Gref, Mikhail Delyagin, Andrey Klepach, Gleb Pavlovsky, Leonid Gozman, Alexey Kudrin, Anatoly Chubais and others." I think the budget from this decently filled.

      Yes, actually, not only they need to limit their salaries. Here it is necessary to start from the guarantor and then around his surroundings. It would be possible to reduce their salaries not so radically, to make, for example, the maximum possible salary of 300 thousand rubles per month for the highest leader (guarantor), and with a decrease to the bottom of the pyramid (and not as it is now, when up to several million rubles per day). I think it would be more or less adequate.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 16 January 2016 14: 02 New
        0
        And what does the guarantor have to do with it?
        We must follow the gray cardinals.
        More precisely, their managers.
        It is they who make the game.
        And the guarantor is: today one, tomorrow another.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 16 January 2016 14: 02 New
        0
        And what does the guarantor have to do with it?
        We must follow the gray cardinals.
        More precisely, their managers.
        It is they who make the game.
        And the guarantor is: today one, tomorrow another.
    2. varov14
      varov14 15 January 2016 14: 30 New
      +1
      Good rams to slaughter, in the event of a cataclysm will go in the forefront.