Panic in the camp of Ukrainians in Russia

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The other day I witnessed the processes occurring around and around the people who came to us from Ukraine under different brands. Someone is a refugee, someone is a migrant, someone is a repatriate, there are many subspecies and subclasses there. But the essence is the same - they all arrived to us recently from the territory of Ukraine as yet, if judged from the point of view of international and other diplomacy.

Panic in the camp of Ukrainians in Russia


And recently in this mass fermentation began, and, I would say, panic. Moreover, such a panic is quite an adult. Although it is strange, because even when it was announced that from August 1 we begin to tighten the nuts. And with November 1, the process takes on an irreversible and rigid nature. And since December 1, those who do not want to be a participant in this process, you are welcome back to your native Ukraine, and three years to us with your foot.

It was? It was. Notify? And how. So what are the moaning and throwing now in the “toy” press, they say, that Ukrainians are deprived of privileges and privileges in Russia? Groaning the same. Again, of course, they curse these very ... well, you understand who. It means that Ukrainians do not give living in Russia, they want to turn everyone back so they die of hunger. This is not me, this is "Echo". I do not know where and who so much howled, but the echo of howling is just the way.

By the way, that "in a way".

In my house (I somehow casually mentioned this already) lives a pseudo-cell of a society of two people. It is understood, who came from Ukraine last year. Pseudo is because they seem to live together, but unregistered, unmarked and understandable, according to Ukrainian passports. But this is a matter of this cell exclusively.

Since people are not arrogant, at night “Glory to Ukraine” didn’t scream, we (the people) didn’t really know who they were or where they were from. The house is big. But now the girl got a job at a stall with vegetables and fruits, which I already consider to be “mine” for several years. Well, you want, you do not want, but at least five words to the buyer have to say. Well, with my practice I distinguish Lugansk speech from others. True, there are differences, even if compared with the Donetsk people. But the point is not that.

And so, the very next day after the notification that the nuts will be tightened, I meet this couple in the yard in complete disarray. And sheer panic. I begin to find out what it is and find out very interesting details of what is happening in our country. I suspect this is not the only thing happening here.

In late October, Irina was told by the FMS agency that she was denied refugee status. With all that it implies. And she will either have to go through the procedure of registration in another status, or ... well, you understand. Back to Ukraine.

Shock? Well yes. Why would it suddenly? But corrosiveness did not allow me to immediately crumble in sympathy, I began to understand, since I had climbed. And found interesting details. Yes, Ira came as a refugee from the Luhansk region, it is. But in her passport (not even overdue yet) is the address: Novopskov village.

Returning, used the card. Yes, I was amazed at that. Not the presence of Novopskova, such a village is in the Luhansk region. I was surprised that you could escape from there. No, you can run, but obviously not from shelling. From a small salary you can, from personal problems. But the fighting there was not something that was not there, even the terbats were not seen even once. Specially on the Novopskov forums polazil. So, somewhere over the horizon, something is happening, but lately, even no one in the direction of Russia is hysterical. Apparently, their problems enough.

Apparently, our FMS also knows how to use the card. And in the end, she began to gradually understand the two and a half million Ukrainians who came to us last year. Who, from where and why ran. Apparently, this is not an isolated case, because nobody has particularly explained anything. They handed the decree, said, in what time frame and where to go, and that was all.

In general, in this case I fully support the FMS. Accepted. Placed. Helped by the first time. Supported financially, and not bad, I must say, supported. But as if a year has passed, it's time to start settling everything. Any fairy tale tends to end.

So the Russian fairy tale for Lugansk "refugee" ended. And its end was not at all happy. But excuse me, I have enough of my problems. But living like this at our expense will be a little bit fat.

So that I will not be reproached for some excessive bitterness towards the refugees, I will tell you one more short history. In contrast, so to speak.

I have a friend, much younger than me. So it happened. Throughout his life, he stood in line for an apartment. Our state owed him an apartment because his father, an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, died during 2 a month before his birth. But before his 25 years, he lived in a one-room apartment with his mother. Not enough. In her he grew up, learned, served, by the way, in the army, although for obvious reasons he could not do that. According to law. But served.

And on 25 for years, he was given a luxurious gift: he was informed that, since he already had 25, he was already an adult and able-bodied member of society, then he could earn money on his property. And they pushed him from the queue first from the second hundred to the second thousand, and then removed it altogether. You see, they put refugees in line.

I agree that the people who lost everything in the war should somehow be resettled. From the tents of the temporary detention facilities, from the sanatoriums and shelters to at least some normal housing. Well settled. Gave it. Provided work. Everything is normal, everything is as it should be in Russian. But why should one always throw one's eyes between the eyes? We sometimes have strange situations.

The fact that the FMS has started some kind of filtering of all those who arrived, that's fine. It is timely. First of all, it will not be worse in terms of who came for what, and then we came across all kinds of refugees in the range. Secondly, not weak economy for the budget. Yes, a year has passed. You can already stand up and get down from the neck of the country. With our, if anything, neck.

In general, people come from there really different. Saw and those who, enlighten your head, except for "give", you will not find anything. But there were a lot of people, for whom these benefits and statuses were not needed. They came, sometimes stayed with half-acquaintances, often found on the Internet, issued permits, found work, housing. And waited for citizenship. And they got it. And they became our citizens. And God grant them further good luck and happiness in the new life.

But those who came to sit out, and even if possible at the expense of others, and even earn extra money so that you can send more home - you really should say goodbye to such people.

We actually stopped the war, thanks to everyone who pulled it on their nerves. So the whole "Putin call" must also decide whose they are in the end. Ours - welcome, make out and work, live. Not? So then we must remember where your home and engage in the glory of it.

And the cries of those who began to scream about the oppression of Ukrainians and the deprivation of their benefits in Russia, you just have to ignore. We have enough of our beneficiaries. What can we say about healthy hard workers who work with us, but really for the benefit of the country with which we have relations, to say the least, weird?
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  1. +2
    6 November 2015 14: 42
    This topic has already set the teeth on edge: both are right, but I agree on one thing: the events in Novorossiya have caused a lot of rubbish on our land! The main surprise is the presence of “refugees” from the combat areas, who for some reason suddenly ended up in the Kyiv, Zhytomyr and even Transcarpathian regions! And the other day I went into a store for gas and water and heard the saleswoman complaining about the “refugees” living in her native village who don’t work anywhere (and don’t want to), and to the comments of the villagers they reply that they didn’t come here in order to boost the economy of your country. It’s this category of parasites that the author is talking about, and really, why the HELL do we need them, they’re out of here with a filthy broom, fortunately the border is only 20-30 KM, so let them drive behind it in their “jeeps”!
  2. +1
    6 November 2015 15: 48
    Quote: mosquit
    The point is not in the migration policy of the Russian Federation ...
    The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, the migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and in general to "consolidate in the minds" of the presence of such a conflict ...


    Dear, I think you exaggerated somewhat. “The goal of creating hostility among readers towards migrants from Ukraine” is not particularly visible here.

    The author simply says that every state must protect itself by limiting external flows and external influence.

    And then the Ukrainians in 1991 said that we want to separate from impoverished Russia and live richly! In European style! Nobody bothered them. All property on the territory of the republic was given away. All external debts were taken on by Russia.

    It didn't work out. So they created the Maidan, one, two, in order to live richly! In European style! Not like in poor Russia. Ukraine is Europe. Again, they were not particularly disturbed.

    Something didn't work out again. So the same guys now come here and want to “divide everything” here, otherwise we live poorly there. Hey, you (vatniks, assors, lackeys or whatever you call them) share with us, otherwise you have a lot and we have little.

    So no one is against it anyway. Come but on a general basis.
    We have laws, follow them.

    Establish your own laws and freedoms in your country; no one really bothers you, although as you can see, you have no desire to help. But the fact that pseudo-fighters like “Strelkov” were able to tear their country apart is probably not our fault. In NovoRussia everything began and developed completely differently from in Crimea.

    So, in my opinion, you are simply confusing the offense expressed in the article with incitement to hatred.

    And the best way to “not inflame” is that everything is done everywhere on a common basis. Then there will be no resentment over the fact that the time for temporary benefits has ended.
  3. +2
    6 November 2015 17: 48
    Yes, the impression from both the article and many of the comments is quite painful! It’s as if you’re not on a Russian patriotic site, but on one of the Ukropeysky ones, like the notorious Bandera “censor”. After all, it is there that walls are being built between Ukrainians and Russians. Which in general are one divided people. Divided at the Belovezhskaya gathering, between the mediocre ghouls who seized power, plunging the fragments of the former power into the darkness of dashing years. Yes, if you talk like this, as in this article, then Kaluga and Kamchatka will inadvertently turn out to be strangers to many here. Does anyone here prefer to live among Asians than among fellow Slavs??? may your wishes be fulfilled))) flag in hand, for example, I have an excellent opinion (although I do not call for fencing off from the former Asian republics of the Soviet Union, there are also good guys there and we need them, just as they need us, but not about that's what we're talking about...)
    In general, I just want to write KILL THE BANDERA IN YOURSELF! And then perhaps you won’t give up part of yourself and your people!
    KILL THE BANDERA IN YOURSELF!
  4. +2
    6 November 2015 21: 01
    The article is ugly. As a former refugee, all of whose help consisted of a cash allowance, which was enough for 2 kg of boiled sausage (for three people), I can say that in difficult times people need to be helped. Yes, no one helped me. By myself, by myself. She found housing, a job, and sold everything she could. But the worst thing was the feeling that we, Russian people, who were born and worked in Russia, but by the will of the Belovezhskaya “triumvirate” suddenly found ourselves outside the borders of Russia in the role of occupiers, and were not needed by anyone in Russia.
    I am writing this because if we are the “Russian world” and “don’t abandon our own,” then we really need to fulfill what is stated. We need to help refugees and simply people for whom coexistence with the junta is unthinkable for ideological, moral and national reasons.
    And the author writes about things that he does not know, about things that he has not tried on his own skin. He doesn’t know what it’s like to be left without his people. It's like you've been left to rot in a basement and no one cares about you.
  5. +4
    6 November 2015 23: 39
    When refugees came to our city, they gave 800 rubles per head for each person. in a day. So these refugees went out into the countryside to eat barbecue almost every day. Why not go for a walk? They were accommodated in hotels for free, apply for work in engineering positions - as nurses or as construction workers, no, no. A family of 4 people received 96000 rubles a month - how’s that? Our villages are empty, but they don’t go there, they don’t want to (for the most part, those who left have complete respect). But the local population receives at most 30 thousand a month, but pay the rent and feed the children, the people see everything. It’s their own finger, and the “refugees” are eating kebabs. How is that? Is there war at home?! So fight, don't run. Send your family and yourself back. Healthy foreheads with guilty eyes sit by the pond and guiltily eat kebabs. We are all internationalists! I'm tired of all this....And there is no need to feel sorry for anyone or sympathize with anyone here (except for the crippled, and the families of those who died and those who have relatives in the war - these should have been given citizenship right away). And the rest... that’s why they walk with their eyes downcast, so as not to give away their attitude towards us with their gaze. These fools will endure everything, they will endure everything - let's pile on more. It’s a shame for such an attitude on the part of the rulers towards their people, who, oh, don’t live richly, and who have their own problems beyond the roof.
  6. +1
    7 November 2015 05: 26
    There is so much talk about helping refugees, but what is the help? Apart from a one-time allowance of 5000 rubles and some benefits when processing documents for residence, I have not heard anything. Maybe someone in the know can please enlighten me on what kind of money is spent on a refugee, otherwise there is not a word in the article.
  7. +2
    7 November 2015 07: 23
    Quote: NordUral
    My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance. Although, maybe from St. Petersburg I see wrong. Despite the fact that I do not justify refugees, those who are ready to live with us for free.

    My friend, you ruined it with us; the meteorologist at station 6000 gets the postman 6500 from 10000, and that’s another thing (he’s greedy)))
  8. 0
    7 November 2015 10: 10
    the right decision of the government! Your mouth is full of troubles! Convert more foreigners! get out of Rus'! We have someone to take care of. Who should I spend the extra penny on?
  9. +1
    7 November 2015 10: 23
    Write some kind of nonsense here. No work... Salary 10-15 thousand... Is this where there is no work? In what remote place, tell me? In an office as a clerk? Maybe. Here's a simple example. Siberia. Barnaul. For those who don’t know, there is such a city in Altai, not far from Novosibirsk, Glubinka, nowhere more remote... Any construction site requires helpers - 1000 - 1200 per day. For those who don’t know, a helper is a person without any specialization at all - like - give it, bring it, go to the yukhu, don’t interfere... And, of course, other construction specialties. Here's an example of the Russian outback, nowhere deeper... Just open the Avito website, any city... Another thing is that you don't want to work on a construction site, that's understandable, sitting in an office is much more interesting and warmer...
  10. +1
    7 November 2015 16: 22
    Many Russians have relatives in Ukraine. I have them too... Cousins, second cousins.... Just 3 years ago I wondered why these were such snobs? Why do they even consider communicating normally like that beneath their dignity? In principle, I differ little from them (except for my worldview) in terms of genetics - my grandparents are the same. With one cousin, even the first and last names are the same, except for the patronymic, and even that patronymic is from the father with whom the grandfather is common? This cousin earns money by working shifts in the Russian North. And yet, for him, I’m a little lower in breed....Maidan put everything in its place! They turned out to be "ukropatriots". Well, my whole family and I are like “half-breeds”... We are no match for them - “purebreds from Kyiv”... It turns out that they live at the expense of Russia, they earn money from us. And we are worse than monkeys to them. And it’s like “relatives”. So they live with us and work with a stone in their bosom and cursing the hand that feeds. So I think that they would all go...to their bandenriya and live and earn money. These are things...that you can't even imagine. Fascists are angels compared to these people. Banderas are such Banderas that they have nothing to do in Russia! Drive Bandera back with a FUCKING BROOM!
  11. +1
    7 November 2015 17: 44
    Correct article... From each according to his ability, to each according to his work... Stop feeding, we have more than one infantry division of our own Freeloaders... If you want to Eat, go to work...
  12. 0
    8 November 2015 04: 09
    It’s necessary to make you (Ukrainians and Russians) angry at each other! You already hate each other!!!
    Already the Bulgarians (I’m a Bulgarian myself) are regarded as brothers, but in quotation marks...After all, they are in NATO!
    Ex ...
  13. 0
    9 November 2015 23: 35
    A big plus for the author! We've seen all sorts of "refugees". And there is somewhere to resettle them - in some villages there are dozens of empty houses. They don’t want to go to the village, that’s the thing! To the city, and so that the salary is at least forty thousand, otherwise, no matter. Right! It’s right that they started tightening the nuts. How much is possible!
  14. 0
    19 November 2015 17: 49
    http://volk1-donbass.livejournal.com/543030.html

    ...“Military Review”, either on the inspiration of the author, or due to ignorance of the issues by the editorial staff, published an article by Roman Skomorokhov, Jesuitical in its content, “Panic in the camp of Ukrainians in Russia” (http://topwar.ru/85546-panika-v- stane-ukraincev-v-rossii.html ). A virus is implanted in the consciousness of Russians that supposedly some sinister Ukrainians have organized their own enemy camp and are almost opposing Russia. All to the internal front?! Mobilization against Ukrainians?! Ukrainian Nazism was defeated in its lair by the Minsk “overexposure”, all that remains is to finish it off on the Russian fields?! “Some are refugees, some are migrants, some are repatriates, there are many subspecies and subclasses,” writes Skomorokhov, systematizing the Russian people who were subjected to executions and repression, like insects. And the method of “identifying” people into these subspecies and subclasses was chosen by the observer exclusively geographical. I looked at the map - the settlement was not shelled by punitive forces, which means “out” to everyone who comes from there, regardless of the circumstances and laws of the Russian Federation and international law!

    Earlier, in my publication “Dehumanizers” (http://rusrand.ru/replika/raschelovechivateli), I expressed my thoughts about the mocking trolling that pro-Kremlin idolaters organized on the Internet against the residents of Donbass. The consciousness of the Russian consumer of information has long been imbued with negativity towards everything that happens in Ukraine; information about missile strikes on the mythical positions of terrorists in Syria is much more pleasant to hear. The point of perception has been passed, so more and more often on social networks Russians write “how tired you are of your Donbass”, having learned to adequately perceive reality and empathize with Russian people who find themselves in conditions of hostilities, occupation or exile.
    ...
    Does Skomorokhov know why people fled from Novopskov? When punitive battalions from the Kharkov direction burst into populated areas of the recently proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic last spring, the first thing they did was stage executions of local residents and total purges of everyone who in one way or another participated in rallies and organizational work for the referendum. Directors of schools, clubs and clinics where the sites were located, teachers, doctors and utility workers who worked on the commissions are said to have gone into the vanguard.
    ...
    It should be noted here that there has long been silence on social networks in the LPR settlements occupied by punitive forces. The SBU announced a hunt for all activists of patriotic publics, some were detained, others went on the run. There are only a few left who continue underground information work, including while in exile on Russian territory. Armed formations, which are under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, continue to violate the principles of international humanitarian law against residents of the occupied territories of Donbass, as was and will be said more than once in the reports of the monitoring mission of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
    ...