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Panic in the camp of Ukrainians in Russia

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The other day I witnessed the processes occurring around and around the people who came to us from Ukraine under different brands. Someone is a refugee, someone is a migrant, someone is a repatriate, there are many subspecies and subclasses there. But the essence is the same - they all arrived to us recently from the territory of Ukraine as yet, if judged from the point of view of international and other diplomacy.


Panic in the camp of Ukrainians in Russia


And recently in this mass fermentation began, and, I would say, panic. Moreover, such a panic is quite an adult. Although it is strange, because even when it was announced that from August 1 we begin to tighten the nuts. And with November 1, the process takes on an irreversible and rigid nature. And since December 1, those who do not want to be a participant in this process, you are welcome back to your native Ukraine, and three years to us with your foot.

It was? It was. Notify? And how. So what are the moaning and throwing now in the “toy” press, they say, that Ukrainians are deprived of privileges and privileges in Russia? Groaning the same. Again, of course, they curse these very ... well, you understand who. It means that Ukrainians do not give living in Russia, they want to turn everyone back so they die of hunger. This is not me, this is "Echo". I do not know where and who so much howled, but the echo of howling is just the way.

By the way, that "in a way".

In my house (I somehow casually mentioned this already) lives a pseudo-cell of a society of two people. It is understood, who came from Ukraine last year. Pseudo is because they seem to live together, but unregistered, unmarked and understandable, according to Ukrainian passports. But this is a matter of this cell exclusively.

Since people are not arrogant, at night “Glory to Ukraine” didn’t scream, we (the people) didn’t really know who they were or where they were from. The house is big. But now the girl got a job at a stall with vegetables and fruits, which I already consider to be “mine” for several years. Well, you want, you do not want, but at least five words to the buyer have to say. Well, with my practice I distinguish Lugansk speech from others. True, there are differences, even if compared with the Donetsk people. But the point is not that.

And so, the very next day after the notification that the nuts will be tightened, I meet this couple in the yard in complete disarray. And sheer panic. I begin to find out what it is and find out very interesting details of what is happening in our country. I suspect this is not the only thing happening here.

In late October, Irina was told by the FMS agency that she was denied refugee status. With all that it implies. And she will either have to go through the procedure of registration in another status, or ... well, you understand. Back to Ukraine.

Shock? Well yes. Why would it suddenly? But corrosiveness did not allow me to immediately crumble in sympathy, I began to understand, since I had climbed. And found interesting details. Yes, Ira came as a refugee from the Luhansk region, it is. But in her passport (not even overdue yet) is the address: Novopskov village.

Returning, used the card. Yes, I was amazed at that. Not the presence of Novopskova, such a village is in the Luhansk region. I was surprised that you could escape from there. No, you can run, but obviously not from shelling. From a small salary you can, from personal problems. But the fighting there was not something that was not there, even the terbats were not seen even once. Specially on the Novopskov forums polazil. So, somewhere over the horizon, something is happening, but lately, even no one in the direction of Russia is hysterical. Apparently, their problems enough.

Apparently, our FMS also knows how to use the card. And in the end, she began to gradually understand the two and a half million Ukrainians who came to us last year. Who, from where and why ran. Apparently, this is not an isolated case, because nobody has particularly explained anything. They handed the decree, said, in what time frame and where to go, and that was all.

In general, in this case I fully support the FMS. Accepted. Placed. Helped by the first time. Supported financially, and not bad, I must say, supported. But as if a year has passed, it's time to start settling everything. Any fairy tale tends to end.

So the Russian fairy tale for Lugansk "refugee" ended. And its end was not at all happy. But excuse me, I have enough of my problems. But living like this at our expense will be a little bit fat.

So that I will not be reproached for some excessive bitterness towards the refugees, I will tell you one more short history. In contrast, so to speak.

I have a friend, much younger than me. So it happened. Throughout his life, he stood in line for an apartment. Our state owed him an apartment because his father, an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, died during 2 a month before his birth. But before his 25 years, he lived in a one-room apartment with his mother. Not enough. In her he grew up, learned, served, by the way, in the army, although for obvious reasons he could not do that. According to law. But served.

And on 25 for years, he was given a luxurious gift: he was informed that, since he already had 25, he was already an adult and able-bodied member of society, then he could earn money on his property. And they pushed him from the queue first from the second hundred to the second thousand, and then removed it altogether. You see, they put refugees in line.

I agree that the people who lost everything in the war should somehow be resettled. From the tents of the temporary detention facilities, from the sanatoriums and shelters to at least some normal housing. Well settled. Gave it. Provided work. Everything is normal, everything is as it should be in Russian. But why should one always throw one's eyes between the eyes? We sometimes have strange situations.

The fact that the FMS has started some kind of filtering of all those who arrived, that's fine. It is timely. First of all, it will not be worse in terms of who came for what, and then we came across all kinds of refugees in the range. Secondly, not weak economy for the budget. Yes, a year has passed. You can already stand up and get down from the neck of the country. With our, if anything, neck.

In general, people come from there really different. Saw and those who, enlighten your head, except for "give", you will not find anything. But there were a lot of people, for whom these benefits and statuses were not needed. They came, sometimes stayed with half-acquaintances, often found on the Internet, issued permits, found work, housing. And waited for citizenship. And they got it. And they became our citizens. And God grant them further good luck and happiness in the new life.

But those who came to sit out, and even if possible at the expense of others, and even earn extra money so that you can send more home - you really should say goodbye to such people.

We actually stopped the war, thanks to everyone who pulled it on their nerves. So the whole "Putin call" must also decide whose they are in the end. Ours - welcome, make out and work, live. Not? So then we must remember where your home and engage in the glory of it.

And the cries of those who began to scream about the oppression of Ukrainians and the deprivation of their benefits in Russia, you just have to ignore. We have enough of our beneficiaries. What can we say about healthy hard workers who work with us, but really for the benefit of the country with which we have relations, to say the least, weird?
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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 November 2015 05: 54
    183
    It was? It was. Reported? And how.
    The position of our state in this regard is the most NORMAL. Sorry, but Ukraine considers us the main enemy, you do not consider us as "brothers", but this is your business, we will simply adhere to OWN legal norms. Someone wants to say that in Europe, where Ukrainians are striving so much, is something different? But no, everything is tough there, you do not follow their rules and regulations - "free". So what ... what were they fighting for ...
    1. mosquit
      mosquit 5 November 2015 07: 34
      236 th
      The point is not in the migration policy of the Russian Federation ...
      The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, the migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and in general to "consolidate in the minds" of the presence of such a conflict ...
      1. Shiva83483
        Shiva83483 5 November 2015 08: 17
        169
        Amiable, but not fucking a certain number of migrants were screaming-404 is not Russia ... but as a summons in the teeth, so right on your feet? Well, let them come back and they jump, the rabbit with the captain chekushka cheesy, but not here the fingers are bent ... that's it, raspberries are over, whoever didn’t hide, it's not my fault. am
        1. mosquit
          mosquit 5 November 2015 08: 34
          96 th
          Amiable, but not fucking a certain number of migrants were screaming-404 is not Russia ... but as a summons in the teeth, so right on your feet? Well, let them come back and they jump, the rabbit with the captain chekushka cheesy, but not here the fingers are bent ... that's it, raspberries are over, whoever didn’t hide, it's not my fault.

          What are you talking about sir? laughing
          Have you read the article?
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 5 November 2015 09: 05
            75
            mosquito. Nobody likes freeloaders anywhere. If it is so bad for you, Ukrainians, how liberals advise you, pay attention to yourself, and look for the reason for your hostility.
            1. mosquit
              mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 52
              20
              I was born in Russia, grew up and live, for the most part beyond the Urals ... wink
              There are no Ukrainian roots ...
              1. 97110
                97110 5 November 2015 11: 39
                56
                Quote: mosquit
                I was born in Russia, grew up and live, for the most part outside the Urals ... wink
                There are no Ukrainian roots ...

                But on the echo of matzo is there? This tragedy did not touch you, sit in silence. People are in trouble. And not only among the citizens of Ukraine. Here is a garland of comments about Bryansk. And all, I have no doubt, are fair. And they yelled, and papers, and ate ... My wife worked in the office, which prints receipts for rent and collects money. I've seen enough. For money that the visitors do not like (the cashier is less than 7, the head of the team, where there is, in addition to all the usual delights, a cash desk with a serious amount of cash - 000), they communicate with, to put it mildly, negative people all day long. In addition to the housing and communal services, angry with this whole system, there are also "city madmen". The impression that the psychiatric dispensary does not close the door. One of these will be enough in the morning for the office to bubble up until the evening. I believe that the FMS is no better. They, of course, should ... But they are people too. If you spit in the face, they will fight. And we know the ability of the Ukrainians to demand "their own" even without a revolution - we can walk to the border for an hour (by car).
                1. mosquit
                  mosquit 5 November 2015 12: 23
                  29 th
                  Are you worried about my nationality or profession?
                  I am Russian ... do I need help?
                  And now about the trouble ...
                  The author told about the "friend" and about his "misfortune" and accidentally determined that ...
                  in two and a half million Ukrainians who arrived to us last year

                  on
                  different brands of people. Someone refugee, someone migrant, someone repatriate, there are many subspecies and subclasses.

                  otherwise we saw all refugees in stock

                  And they are "guilty" of the "friend's trouble" - they ...
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 5 November 2015 13: 33
                    49
                    Quote: mosquit
                    And they are "guilty" of the "friend's trouble" - they ...

                    what Have you carefully read that article yourself? The author does not reproach the refugees, but migrants who came for a good life or stupidly wait out are a serious problem. Under the guise of refugees, they also receive lifting and other benefits, while the state and officials deprive the benefits of their citizens - because the program and funds are planned - and where to get it and do not care - take it out and put it down.
                    1. mosquit
                      mosquit 5 November 2015 14: 37
                      13 th
                      You read below ...
                  2. 97110
                    97110 5 November 2015 15: 52
                    +9
                    Quote: mosquit
                    Are you worried about my nationality or profession?
                    I am Russian ... do I need help?

                    Why are you so excited? How do you get a certificate of nationality? On the basis of what document will they issue it to you? By direct knowledge in the transition, information will be obtained and documented? And your profession does not play a role in this dispute. The position of the daughter of the officer will not be closed by any certificate. I admitted that you were mistaken. But the obstinacy in the ambiguity written by the Author makes you think that you are the daughter of an officer.
              2. Kerzhak
                Kerzhak 5 November 2015 15: 32
                11
                And for some reason Ukrainian brains.
            2. mirag2
              mirag2 5 November 2015 12: 27
              +4
              Spin-bogs-drive! Let them overthrow at what they have reached. And then the center of Ukraine has piled up, they are completely crazy.The author of the video cycle talks about refugees: "This is war, baby, this is war"
              1. allexx623
                allexx623 6 November 2015 23: 49
                +3
                These are the "spine gnawing "respect laughing
            3. Biget
              Biget 6 November 2015 11: 04
              +9
              Oh yeah! About freeloaders correctly noticed.
              I visited a friend in Rybinsk, so their refugee receives more than a hard worker at the factory. So what is the point of such a refugee to go to work?
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          3. Shiva83483
            Shiva83483 5 November 2015 11: 13
            20
            What are you talking about sir? Have you read the article?
            You won’t believe it, YES. You understand the strange refugees who, in particular, have descended from the mountains, on the Independence we have lousy cats like foul cats, and how to answer for a broom, God forbid, legs anywhere. I do not say that everything, but a certain percentage is available. That's what I wrote about him ... but to think, and figurative thinking ischo NOBODY did not cancel, is not it? laughing
            1. mosquit
              mosquit 5 November 2015 12: 38
              12 th
              You understand the strange refugees who, in particular, have lowered from the mountains, on the Maidan, who have behaved like foul cats

              2,5 million people? I described the "anatomy" of this article below ...
          4. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 12: 26
            +5
            Have you read ??? It's not about migrants, but o refugees!
            1. samuil60
              samuil60 5 November 2015 23: 47
              17
              I didn’t want to, but I’ll get in anyway. In my garage, on a flagpole, the flag of Russia flutters in the wind. Well - I like this business. Handsomely. So: Ukrainian "migrants" who work nearby at a construction site for some "leather dad" and who walk by twice a day, always look at the flag. And they look in such a way that, given free rein, they would be torn to shreds. But they do not give will. So, every time I want to ask the Ukrainian "guests" a question: if you hate the flag of this country so much, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? I don't ask, because I know - I won't get an answer ...
        2. oblako
          oblako 5 November 2015 11: 47
          14
          Actually, this is not so, Ukraine is the Russian Empire or the USSR if you want, and it is occupied, already in a hybrid or some other war, but occupied ... and from this we must proceed ...
        3. SuperVodka777
          SuperVodka777 6 November 2015 06: 12
          52 th
          Because of such an attitude like yours, the attitude towards Russia simply goes to the minus to "hated". "Who didn't hide." You muddied this garbage in the Donbass, you need to sort it out, they are now all YOURS. Russian World is so Russian world - since they are all Russians in Donbass, take it! And now it's a pity for the dough, now they are no longer Russians, but Ukrainians from Donbass, you see.
          1. Deniska
            Deniska 6 November 2015 12: 37
            14
            The Russian World is so the Russian world - since they are all Russians in the Donbass, so take it! And now I feel sorry for the dough, now they are no longer Russian, but you see Ukrainians from the Donbass.


            What kind of xp @ do they run from other areas? Refugees fighting during the presentation of the agenda ....
          2. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few 7 November 2015 09: 28
            11
            No mind, consider a cripple, we don’t muddied the Donbass, but you are brainless. If you
            they didn’t ride, and they killed their fellow citizens on the Maidan and in Odessa, there would be no turbidity in the Donbas. The people in the Donbass realized that they were waiting for him with the advent of the Nazi Bendery junta and didn’t want to be slaves. You brainless accuse Russia of fighting with Ukraine if in reality it would have been peace and order for a long time in Ukraine and your trinity Poroshenko , Yaytsenyuk and your bald pastor would hang on poles in the center of Kiev.
          3. Shiva83483
            Shiva83483 8 November 2015 06: 35
            0
            Learn to blame yourself for all your misfortunes, and ... there will be happiness for you ... maybe fool
          4. lelyk72
            lelyk72 8 November 2015 23: 36
            0
            You would be silent, steed. For the REFUGEES, from DONBASS, nothing has changed.
            It has changed for people like you, horses, from other regions, who have come to "sit out" and earn money. And they have nothing to do with the Russian world. And for them - yes, it's a pity for money.
        4. Oleko
          Oleko 6 November 2015 10: 43
          +7
          I can't help but answer. A real example: my wife needed a chauffeur in a firm. We took dill from ... Sum. Young guy. Apparently, he pulled away from mobilization. Arthur, a young guy, also acting OK, ran around all the FMS. While Arthur was running, the resident of Sumy "shared" his impressions: the cars in Kaliningrad are bad (near the "Moskvich" itself), Kaliningrad itself is a useless city. After 5 days, the Westerner quit. The wife said that Archik was swearing at the whole firm. Both the directors and the westerner got it.
          1. August
            August 6 November 2015 18: 55
            +2
            Westernizer from Sumy? Now Sumy has become the West, lol.
            1. lelyk72
              lelyk72 8 November 2015 23: 39
              0
              By and large, a "westerner" is not a place of birth or place of residence, but a way of thinking.
              So from Sumy there may be "Zapadentsy-Bandera", and from Donbass, and from Vladivostok. They are all horses.
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        6. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 6 November 2015 20: 51
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          Quote: Shiva83483
          Amiable, but not fucking a certain number of migrants were screaming-404 is not Russia ... but as a summons in the teeth, so right on your feet? Well, let them come back and they jump, the rabbit with the captain chekushka cheesy, but not here the fingers are bent ... that's it, raspberries are over, whoever didn’t hide, it's not my fault.

          When they had just started arriving, the son of a neighbor in their dacha, an acting colonel of the Ministry of Emergencies, said that they had accommodated the "refugees" in a sanatorium on the banks of the Volga. In summer, during the holiday season, by the way. The director of a local plant comes to them, and the son of my neighbor - according to his position, he says: "Aida, he says, to work in hot shops! I, he says, need people. I will give a salary, he says, and so on ..." refugees "send it in three letters in plain text, they say that they have no interest in working at the plant, but there is an interest in trading in oil. To Ukraine, again. And in general, Putin is "the very word", but they have no time, they go to the Volga to swim.

          Let someone after this tell me that I am inciting hatred towards the Ukrainians - they themselves have long ignited all that is possible ...
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      2. bubla5
        bubla5 5 November 2015 09: 03
        +8
        That's right, why love them, it's time to go home
        1. Jäger scharfschütze
          Jäger scharfschütze 5 November 2015 23: 31
          +5
          So why only Ukrainians? Let's all the other "friends" from Central Asia and other regions, where one will appear, wait for a hundred fellow tribesmen. And how many children they have here are born, and all are dated and you will notice at our expense.
          1. nika407
            nika407 7 November 2015 15: 19
            +2
            Quote: Jäger Scharfschütze
            So why only Ukrainians? Let's all the other "friends" from Central Asia

            And what have "others" to do with it. "Others" work under quotas and do not ask for refugee status, escaping the agenda from different regions of Ukraine. now everyone will be equalized.
      3. rammjager
        rammjager 5 November 2015 09: 06
        55
        I'll put in my "five kopecks". I've been following Roman's publications for a long time. I didn't want to get into controversy, but ... it really boiled. I am from the point of view of refugees. Last summer I sent my wife and child. Our commandant's guys took them out. In Donetsk, in they were given soap and water supplies and 1500 (one thousand five hundred) rubles of aid (and thanks for that) When they found out that there were relatives in the Bryansk region, they sent them to Bryansk, miracles began. For two months they made a permit for temporary asylum (no refugee status, no They don’t take a job. Without a piece of paper, as they say ... She calls me, cries. I say, how can this be, you’re doing something wrong. Okay, the brothers helped. Accepted, dressed, fed. Acquaintances helped with work, in September they got a small boy to school. Now I showed up. And I was personally convinced of everything. In the FMS they look at you like a moron. Do not consult or ask. Shout like victims, you don’t know? The same problem with RVU gives the right to work, but in fact no one wants to take. Citizenship requires official employment. Some kind of collision turns out. Here is such crap in general. You can talk for a long time, but is it necessary? And whoever I crossed paths with, everyone has the same problems. People are starting to leave. We do not require any money. , no. We want to live and work legally. Something like that.
        1. I am
          I am 5 November 2015 09: 36
          63
          VAL works, incl. and for persons with REFUGEE status. In Saratov, whole lists were hanging in the FMS. Do not want - "brothers" to work anyhow where and whoever. They are highly paid and give them work in the office. And only a few (really normal!) Went to the village, took land and began to work and live. But, others, in cool cars, went to work in nightclubs (such as kuksi kabi) and in other businesses - by the way, they also don’t complain, they don’t even remove country 404 numbers. Remember the FORMER UKRAINIAN BROTHERS, water does not flow under a lying stone. and everyone is unhappy with scattering home, raising their economy and stuffing their pockets with a rabbit powder. The sin of parasitism is the most difficult !!!!!!!
          1. rammjager
            rammjager 5 November 2015 10: 03
            12
            Have you personally encountered a similar problem? And what does it mean to work "anyhow where and anyhow by whom? Just so as not to annoy you?"
            1. I am
              I am 5 November 2015 10: 30
              38
              No. It works in enterprises, in the service sector, in workshops. In the field, in the hayloft, in repair shops, etc. However, in our region, a whole scandal came out. FARMER (local) offered the refugee family to work for him, promised housing, food and salary. So these so-called. "refugees" accused him that he was going to buy them almost into slavery. And he offered them a salary of 10. What is wrong? If it’s bad, then we need to do what we’re at the labor exchange. Three times he refused and get back (okay, you can 000 times). If you do not want to comply with the conditions of stay in RUSSIA, do not come !!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 5 November 2015 11: 29
                +2
                My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance. Although, maybe from St. Petersburg I see wrong. Despite the fact that I do not justify refugees, those who are ready to live with us for free.
                1. 97110
                  97110 5 November 2015 11: 46
                  17
                  Quote: NordUral
                  My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance.

                  Why did you write this? Highlight your status? If there are no proposals for 10 or more, but there are 000 or less, do you need to start your own business? From the last pay we finance fixed and working capital ... Not enough? And on the road to Peter there? Yes, indeed, the allowance ...
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 5 November 2015 14: 51
                    +3
                    My status is a pensioner with just such an amount in words. Naturally, I still work, not only because of money. Therefore, I write that I know what 10000 rubles are. And then, I made a reservation that this amount in St. Petersburg is a poverty allowance.
                2. rapid1934
                  rapid1934 5 November 2015 11: 51
                  38
                  Quote: NordUral
                  My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance.

                  Such a salary is not everywhere. If interested, many get 7000-8000 and at the same time they work all day.
                  Moscow and Peter are not an indicator of salaries in Russia. hi
                  1. AllXVahhaB
                    AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 12: 56
                    19
                    And what about Yekaterinburg? Our students who distribute tasting sausages in supermarkets receive 15000. In the courtyard, on the door of Magnet, there is a notice: "A cleaner is required, salary from 21000, food, social package" ... So they can't find it!
                    Moreover, the economic mobility of the population is the basis of modern society. Are they paying you 7-8 thousand? So go there where they pay more, do not sit on the ass !!!
                    1. a housewife
                      a housewife 5 November 2015 15: 37
                      38
                      Start with an example - Magnet! Ask yourself why 21000 cleaners cannot be found. My sister worked 2 times in different years in Magnet, in Novorossiysk. Everything is built on deception. Yes, it depends a lot on who was appointed director. The promised salary is never paid, at best 3/4. All losses, stolen, overdue, are included in the price of the goods, but they are calculated from all employees from the salary. They take on work as a cashier, but you will work as you specify, including a loader. The working day is actually a couple of hours longer than indicated - after the store’s work, you’ll spend a couple more hours sorting the goods by date, etc. In short, there are enough charms. People get settled, get all this mess gone. Therefore, nowhere are so many and always workers required, as there. As for migrants and refugees. A large part of the arrivals are freeloaders and crooks. A large part of officials are bribe takers. And these two elements collided and created a dirty whirlpool. Normal people on both sides are trying to somehow overcome it, so there are so many complaints. hi
                      1. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 20: 27
                        0
                        If you do not know, then Magnet is franchise... That is, any entrepreneur can invest money, buy or rent premises and "acquire" a franchise, that is, the company gives him its own sign and centralized supplies. And the rest depends on the owner. Even two Magnets across the street may have different prices, conditions and wages. So your sister's experience is not an example. The contract must be correctly concluded! And the right to be able to defend.
                      2. a housewife
                        a housewife 5 November 2015 21: 30
                        +3
                        I don’t know how it was with the contract, I just left at the first serious violation, then she was persuaded to return. Returned, but ended the same. He says that you can work there only temporarily, in search of a better job. Now she has a normal job with a good pay.
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                    2. Jäger scharfschütze
                      Jäger scharfschütze 5 November 2015 23: 38
                      -4
                      You don’t understand, it's refugees to blame for everything, and who else?
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                  3. RBLip
                    RBLip 5 November 2015 15: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    So go there where they pay more, do not sit on the ass !!!

                    I wonder if ALL of Russia comes to Moscow, St. Petersburg, e-burg and Novosibirsk, for large salaries and benefits, WHAT will the locals say?
                3. Zlyden.Zlo
                  Zlyden.Zlo 5 November 2015 14: 08
                  +1
                  and what good is a salary of 7-8t?
                4. NordUral
                  NordUral 5 November 2015 14: 52
                  +8
                  I agree with you. Therefore, I constantly write that we live in the wrong country - it is time to return to us in the socialism of the post-war Stalin era.
                5. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 5 November 2015 22: 09
                  +5
                  Quote: rapid1934
                  Quote: NordUral
                  My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance.

                  Such a salary is not everywhere. If interested, many get 7000-8000 and at the same time they work all day.
                  Moscow and Peter are not an indicator of salaries in Russia. hi


                  And your people, probably, live at home? in your hometown? in your apartment?

                  What does the salary have to do with it ?? People stay on the street, understand ??? You write here as if you just came to the city to earn money. People, Russian people, just like you, are only left to their own devices.
                  1. go21zd45few
                    go21zd45few 7 November 2015 13: 59
                    +4
                    Yes, we have all of Russia abandoned and arbitrariness of fate with the exception of one percent of the population, which in their own bankrupt people.
                6. penguin
                  penguin 6 November 2015 23: 31
                  +1
                  I agree completely I know the places where the minimum wage is just super. And if you are retired and get 8-9 pieces then it’s finally cool - hard workers pay less.
              2. Mahmut
                Mahmut 5 November 2015 11: 57
                +5
                10000 is really not a salary, even by provincial standards. Moreover, they need to be hired for them, and not just as a watchman.
              3. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 12: 50
                27
                For the village, and even for refugees 10000 + a roof over your head + food ... For the first time, it’s quite normal.
              4. Corsair
                Corsair 5 November 2015 13: 43
                13
                Quote: NordUral
                My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance. Although, maybe from St. Petersburg I see wrong. Despite the fact that I do not justify refugees, those who are ready to live with us for free.

                what Wait a minute, if a person is ready to feed them and gives housing - and offers 10 thousand more - is it really not enough for a start, but they didn’t go to the EU with an allowance of 800 euros per person, did they know where? Obviously not in the barn offers to live and eat with pigs from the trough.
                1. I am
                  I am 5 November 2015 15: 33
                  +4
                  Well no. this farmer’s houses are for workers. 3 rooms in the house + kitchen. Water, electricity and gas on the meter. two people fit easily into the room.
              5. cuzmin.mihail2013
                cuzmin.mihail2013 5 November 2015 13: 43
                18
                First, what the hell are all refugees going to Moscow and St. Petersburg? Naturally for the money. After all, you have this poverty allowance. In other regions, a job for 10000 rubles, not to mention free housing and meals, you can still find horseradish.
                Secondly, the Ukrainians did not pay attention to what they drive around St. Petersburg and Moscow. That their vehicles, overwhelmingly, do not resemble truly Ukrainian "Zaporozhtsy" or at least Russian cars. Means, there is money for gasoline. Yes, and enough to pay for the apartment. And if you take into account your prices for food (a Russian from the provinces - the average monthly salary - will not live a week), then the question arises - are these "refugees"?
                1. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 5 November 2015 22: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013
                  First, what the hell are all refugees going to Moscow and St. Petersburg? Naturally for the money. After all, you have this poverty allowance. In other regions, a job for 10000 rubles, not to mention free housing and meals, you can still find horseradish.
                  Secondly, the Ukrainians did not pay attention to what they drive around St. Petersburg and Moscow. That their vehicles, overwhelmingly, do not resemble truly Ukrainian "Zaporozhtsy" or at least Russian cars. Means, there is money for gasoline. Yes, and enough to pay for the apartment. And if you take into account your prices for food (a Russian from the provinces - the average monthly salary - will not live a week), then the question arises - are these "refugees"?


                  Why do you think that since he lived in Ukraine, he did not earn a foreign car ?? I can’t understand?
                  1. Referent
                    Referent 7 November 2015 21: 36
                    +1
                    Why do you think that once you lived in Ukraine, then he did not earn a foreign car ?? I can’t understand
                    In Ukraine (the outskirts of our state) REMEMBER this
              6. woron333444
                woron333444 5 November 2015 14: 26
                20
                From St. Petersburg you see incorrectly, beyond the Urals this is the salary. It may be small for you, but they live on it with us. Also, not everyone can receive it.
                1. Tambov Wolf
                  Tambov Wolf 5 November 2015 14: 51
                  17
                  Why only beyond the Urals. The same thing is in the European part in small towns and villages. It’s just that Moscow and St. Petersburg in terms of salaries (you can ascribe three more megalopolises) are very far away from Russia. IPhone and comrades, but the guarantor, pretend that we are all fine. And the pensioners of the majority of the people, from 6 to 7 thousand rubles. But then they calculated the average, as much as 12 with a liher. Well, they probably plus with theirs.
              7. I am
                I am 5 November 2015 15: 30
                +8
                Full time - teacher at the SPSTU named after Gagarin Yu.A. 7800 rubles.
              8. Alekspel
                Alekspel 5 November 2015 16: 41
                20
                From Peter, you, my friend, see crookedly. Salary 10000 is quite commonplace for the outback. I’m getting one myself, but I still have a pension, so I’ll live, but the youth is struggling. So you begin to take Zimny ​​Winter back in your house in St. Petersburg, otherwise it’s bad with s / n.
                1. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 7 November 2015 01: 56
                  +1
                  And why should they start taking the Winter? They already do so. X O R O S O. This is not very much for the rest ... But the officials are not up to them. They are only about themselves beloved ...
              9. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 5 November 2015 18: 35
                +7
                Quote: NordUral
                My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance. Although, maybe from St. Petersburg I see wrong. Despite the fact that I do not justify refugees, those who are ready to live with us for free.


                I want to live on an allowance of 10000 rubles. In the Krasnodar Territory and Adygea, this is the average wage, with the exception of course Krasnodar and Sochi, but Sochi is clear to you in the capital.
                negative
              10. Kuzyakin15
                Kuzyakin15 5 November 2015 20: 23
                +6
                Quote: NordUral
                My friend, but after all, 10000 is not a salary, it is a poverty allowance. Although, maybe from St. Petersburg I see wrong. Despite the fact that I do not justify refugees, those who are ready to live with us for free.

                My friend, this vyv Peter and Moscow 10 000 for the money do not think. And in the hinterland IT'S MONEY, and even not bad. In some villages, such a salary is in line.
                This for you is not even a penny, but a penny.
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              11. volodia.cutepov
                volodia.cutepov 6 November 2015 07: 54
                +2
                Respected! In Russia, everyone who lives outside the Moscow Ring Road (Moscow Ring Road) receives 10000 (ten thousand) rubles.
              12. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 6 November 2015 20: 54
                0
                my friend, how do I get 11080? is this poverty allowance or what?
              13. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 7 November 2015 01: 48
                +3
                I made a reservation correctly. In St. Petersburg - Yes. In Buryatia, 10 thousand are normal. Cooks in the kindergarten - 6-7 thousand on hand. it’s with the district -30% and the distant-30%. That's how we live ... But there are always parasites, they are and they will be. It’s just that there are people, and not really people ... You won’t immediately determine ... But our ECHO it’s a light bulb. They like something else ... They don’t give information about normal. Not that fat ...
              14. go21zd45few
                go21zd45few 7 November 2015 13: 51
                0
                And you come to my arc in Ostrov of the Pskov region. It is 356 km from St. Petersburg and take an interest in our salaries, 10000 thousand we have a good salary. So the population of the city and the region lives on poverty benefits.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 5 November 2015 17: 36
              +3
              Quote: I am
              FARMER (local) offered the refugee family to work for him, promised housing, food and salary. So these so-called. "refugees" accused him that he was going to buy them almost into slavery. And he offered them a salary of 10. What is wrong?

              Do you imagine what it is like to work in the field for 10 thousand a month? And you think this is not slavery? Do you know how much a machine operator gets in a season? But are you interested in who and for what salary you work for? And food (own) and housing in the village, in comparison with the city, are very inexpensive.
              1. I am
                I am 5 November 2015 19: 01
                0
                about s / n in the city I wrote above. And nothing, we live. Housing and food, by the way, also cost money. And who doesn’t like it ... read above too, do not consider it work, please.
          2. 31R-US
            31R-US 5 November 2015 18: 13
            +1
            About ten months ago, an operator resigned in my organization (answering calls in a clean office, in a beautiful building in the city center), the day-night schedule is 72 at home, I decided to invite the salary through the FMS, although he did not indicate 12000 rubles, about 10 women came to find out / p, someone just said that he didn’t like it, and not who “you are laughing at least 20000 rubles.” So, as for the FMS, I agree with you.
            1. I am Russian
              I am Russian 5 November 2015 22: 18
              +2
              Quote: 31R-US
              About ten months ago, an operator resigned in my organization (answering calls in a clean office, in a beautiful building in the city center), the day-night schedule is 72 at home, I decided to invite the salary through the FMS, although he did not indicate 12000 rubles, about 10 women came to find out / p, someone just said that he didn’t like it, and not who “you are laughing at least 20000 rubles.” So, as for the FMS, I agree with you.


              And how much does the apartment cost ?? Once again I repeat, you all live in your apartments, houses, but these people do not.
              1. I am
                I am 7 November 2015 11: 39
                +2
                By this, as you said. people - from the Federal Migration Service or from enterprises provide hostels. Or at home, as I wrote above. However, this is considered small. On the outskirts of Saratov (Solnechny settlement, Antonova street) Lenin district - in one of the old factory hostels, they made a hostel again, but for refugees. It has been almost a year since the arrival of the refugees, how many UKRAINIAN REFUGEES are there ????? And go, count, these people began to rent out their rooms to others, and they themselves began to run around the authorities and shout that there is not enough place to stay, that relatives came to them, etc. How do you ???? However, the FMS quickly missed this case and, relatively speaking, the "Tatzhiks" who were settled there by the compassionate Ukrainians went home. The hostel, by the way, is almost empty after that, as you understand the Ukrainians were also moved a little in the right direction.
          3. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 7 November 2015 07: 49
            +2
            Quote: rammjager
            what does it mean to work "anyhow where and anyhow who"

            America during the Great Depression became a great highway country. He still drives along the Roosevelt Roads. And which of the "refugees" is now ready to go to build a highway somewhere in Krasnoyarsk?

            By the way, in America, male workers also built roads for food, a roof and 150 grams of viskar on the weekend. They did not pay money, they transferred money to families. Maybe it’s time for us to find use for the guest workers' armies? We have roads where to build ...

            To build roads is, in their understanding, "by whom and where". And to live here as a purchasing agent for Ukrainian firms - we have enough of our own gasoline to trade ...
        2. Gani
          Gani 5 November 2015 12: 24
          18
          Hello. VAL works, including and for persons with refugee status.
          It may be so, BUT everything has been done ... well, the same thing. Just examples: refugees come to a particular supermarket - stamp that employees are not needed !, - so we need workers !, - how many salaries ?, - 7-9 tr. ...! nehrenase, we benefit 24000r. receive, we will settle for you for 7-9 most likely we will lose benefits, please stamp.
          (I think most would prefer to do nothing for 24tyr than to plow for 8tyr)
          We go further: the statistics are bad - the refugees were not employed much -> the municipal or regional administration is putting pressure on the management of the enterprise -> then under the hood and dismisses 15 people -> then 15 refugees are taken and shoved into this enterprise -> the statistics are good.
          this system is very "conducive" and social adaptation and the kind attitude of m / y locals and refugees.
          But people, of course, are different: there are those who have come on vacation, but there are those who want to find their homeland, but this system is rotten
        3. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 5 November 2015 20: 42
          +5
          Ukrainians do not take anywhere do not invent how they learn that the Ukrainian passport - immediately turn from the gate.
          1. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 7 November 2015 02: 00
            +2
            You’re lying, HOWEVER. And you’re not blushing. It’s a pity ... Maybe at least the nonsense would be visible ...
        4. Deniska
          Deniska 6 November 2015 12: 46
          +4
          I probably won’t tell the news. There is no work in the Russian Federation right now, or rather there is, but they either do not pay such, or for two positions. I know for myself if I quit at the moment, then in a week you can only find the position of a loader or a security guard. Any place that would suit me is a minimum of a month of searching. And I'm not a refugee ... Refugees can understand the matter as a loader for a start, but when a refugee receives 12t.r (or I don’t know 15 for sure), and a family of 4 refugees 48t.r respectively, why work? I myself would have lived on the allowance, but you can work in black.
        5. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 7 November 2015 07: 41
          +3
          Quote: I am
          The sin of parasitism is the most difficult !!!!!!!

          Not the hardest. In that same book it is written that the bird does not plow and does not reap, and the Lord gives her one and all food. The gravest sin is the sin of ingratitude, even though he is not on the list of mortal sins. Well, this is my personal opinion, since to spit in the hand that gives you and us ... to put on your shoulder, framed for support - it cannot be worse than that ... And these "refugees" are guilty of it, as they throw mud at the country that gave them a place to live and money for bread.
      4. kos2910
        kos2910 5 November 2015 09: 37
        20
        And you need to tell. My brother and wife also go through this procedure. It's been a year already. But at least he was born in Perm and has a share in the apartment, but with his wife it is more difficult - she was born in Zaporozhye and does not fall under refugees. But they seem to have received RVP without problems, but it is more difficult with citizenship, although she also had a Perm residence permit in the early 90s. So the procedures are quite complicated and you need to talk about it, it will be easier for others.
        1. BLOND
          BLOND 5 November 2015 12: 20
          +3
          A brother (by birth in the Russian Federation) automatically acquires citizenship, a wife, too ... through a spouse
          What is the problem!?
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 7 November 2015 09: 22
            +4
            Quote: BLOND
            A brother (by birth in the Russian Federation) automatically acquires citizenship, a wife, too ... through a spouse
            What is the problem!?

            The problem is that people are too lazy to take and read about their rights. They will go and beg at the FMS. And to go to the head of the FMS with a book in his hands, in which the bookmarks are, and to smack it on the table - why are you, such and such, not doing what is written here in black and white - they are embarrassed of something. For a year his brother "goes through this procedure", but that his wife will always receive citizenship, if the husband is a citizen of the Russian Federation is not destiny to read?

            I know what I’m writing about, and abruptly head of the Federal Migration Service and not with such a nonsense problem as citizenship, it turned out to be pressed to the nail like a louse. It is only necessary to want and reinforce all this with a selective knowledge of the law.
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        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 12: 59
          +8
          What is the difficulty now? I received citizenship in 2005. He was born and raised in Semipalatinsk, he never had any Russian registrations. He came, wrote a statement, filled out a questionnaire, passed ... After a certain time, he received Russian citizenship. All!
          Now how?
      5. avt
        avt 5 November 2015 09: 57
        13
        Quote: rammjager
        .And personally convinced of everything.

        And now to sit and think about the question for five minutes - “What was it?” And when you turn on the brain, everything immediately falls into place. Namely - TWO completely different problems! One, which you described, is the specific work of specific officials in the localities, and here you really have to resist and screw them up, since a hundred poods of work for your pocket. Here I can give a simple example - they closed Cherkizon and the owners started to shove them into the Moscow shopping center and to the Birdie, I immediately call my friend in Maryino - look at the payment order in the rent, as if the line “number of residents” will disappear. And for sure - the truth has disappeared in Lyublino, they began to quietly settle in - register the Chinese in batches. The people reached out to subscribe, and for them - look for the Chinese, bring them, we will write them out. Well the scandal was raised to the level of TV and somehow died out. Well, what law and its execution was to blame! ???? wassat So in this particular case - you need to figure it out, but you need to deal with the general flow, excuse me for some cynicism, and sort it out specifically for people who come to decide whether you want citizenship, you are a political refugee, you are just a refugee during the war, or you have arrived to raise money to work not ma, and we ourselves are not local, we are European, but we don’t want to spend money on your Russian patents for praciuvanni.
        Quote: Gloomy
        There must be priorities. Help refugees

        good That is briefly what I wanted to say.
        Quote: I am
        Do not want - "brothers" to work anyhow where and whoever. They are highly paid and give them work in the office.

        Well, in general, everyone wants, "It's better to be rich, but healthy"
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 5 November 2015 09: 58
        17
        Quote: rammjager
        It’s possible to talk for a long time, is it necessary? And with whomever one crosses here, everyone has the same problems. People are starting to leave. We don’t require any money, no. We want to live and work legally. Something like that.


        Try to get citizenship in the EU or get a job without a residence permit. There, even the brothers will not help. Visa ended - illegal, caught - deportation and entry ban for 5 years. Why aren’t you complaining about the EU?
        1. rammjager
          rammjager 5 November 2015 10: 11
          11
          Damn, you don’t understand me. Oh well. I’ll try to explain. People face a lot of problems. Sometimes they get into an extremely difficult situation. We do not require anything from the state. Besides the legal status and the ability to work legally. Yes, no one will go to 5000 a month . I think it’s not necessary to explain why? The employer is extremely reluctant to take work. Why, I don’t know. And to sit without work ... I think this is the most stubborn one understands.
          1. I am
            I am 5 November 2015 10: 35
            +4
            If you are in a foreign country and you have no place to live and want to eat, then you will go. How else do ours work for 7000 - 8000 thousand ???? Few? YES LITTLE. But these are OUR rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            1. rammjager
              rammjager 5 November 2015 10: 48
              15
              Here’s an eccentric man. I say they don’t want to take it! I’m looking for a part-time job (there really is not enough money) vacancy watchman wp.7000r.graph 1/2 (night shifts) Super. Most important! So, I’m close and close. Therefore, I’m working illegally. And I don’t pay taxes naturally (again, vrazhin :)
              1. cuzmin.mihail2013
                cuzmin.mihail2013 5 November 2015 14: 03
                +3
                And what about the area where you live, the light came together in a wedge? You are a refugee, so why don’t you go over to another city. Why do you think that if you are from Ukraine, then greenhouse conditions will be created for you. What is the heavy legacy of the Maidan? Do not like it - look for where it is better!
            2. 97110
              97110 5 November 2015 11: 16
              +4
              Quote: I am
              for 7000 - 8000 thousand work ????

              Really, how ??? For such money, some citizens of the Russian Federation, who have never gone anywhere, work ALL their lives. And experience for retirement work out. Or are you numerals without due respect?
              1. 31R-US
                31R-US 5 November 2015 18: 20
                +1
                I am probably from another planet
                1. I am
                  I am 7 November 2015 11: 42
                  0
                  Well no. Not on the other. You just have to work in several places. And so the salary is just that. And very many people in the city have such a salary. And what, in the sense, to throw everything and go to Moscow ??? So there are willing and so the shaft. Better at home and little by little, it's safer. All the same, all the "rolling stones" that left for Moscow and other "nice" places, almost all have returned.
                  1. 31R-US
                    31R-US 7 November 2015 14: 00
                    -2
                    "to Moscow and to other" nice "places, almost everyone has already returned" That's CORRECT, the more people go to work in Moscow, the lower the wages in the regions
            3. SuperVodka777
              SuperVodka777 6 November 2015 06: 19
              11 th
              What are you all. Just before our very eyes, the attitude towards Russia is changing. They yelled that they were "Russian brothers, the Novorosy who need to be attached," and they themselves screwed it up. Now people have ruined houses, and "these are your rules." , I would change your places, with them and I would write to you. "These are our rules."
              1. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 7 November 2015 02: 07
                +4
                I won’t be talking about everyone, but I personally have a petty attitude towards you (like Mayakovsky). Judging by your insults and statements, you yourself are to blame for everything. Look in the mirror - there is your enemy. Good luck.
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 13: 14
            12
            For God's sake: https://rabota.yandex.ru/search?text=%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%
            D0% B8 & rid = 11230
            and no one will ask for citizenship !!! Service dormitories (in Urengoy itself) cost 1500 per month. On duty - housing in a shift camp and meals - for free! Everything is required! From workers (welders, electricians, drivers, cooks, plumbers, fitters ...) to department heads!
            Polar night -40 ° С, polar day + 35 ° С, tundra, with all that it implies ...
            But as I understand it, are you not afraid of difficulties? Or do you just need a freebie ???
          3. cuzmin.mihail2013
            cuzmin.mihail2013 5 November 2015 13: 56
            +4
            No, I don’t understand !!! And the keys to the apartment where the money is at the border you do not need to give? Or do you prefer cash on a silver platter with a blue border?
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 13: 03
          0
          In the EU, residents of the former residence permit colonies receive no problems and benefits are different ...
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      8. Old warrior
        Old warrior 5 November 2015 11: 23
        +9
        So what is it - are we to blame? Maybe you just didn’t have to jump on the Maidan and bring your country to the handle? And then you eat five thousand little give fifty. Main Give and MUST.
      9. Eagle Owl1
        Eagle Owl1 5 November 2015 11: 49
        +4
        Quote: rammjager
        RVU gives the right to work. But in fact, no one wants to take it. And whoever they meet with here, everyone has the same problems. People are starting to leave. We don’t require any money, no. We want to live and work legally. Somehow So.


        my wife is now going for a massage to a refugee woman from Lugansk. That works fine, takes private orders. Her adult daughter is studying in Moscow. Husband. also from Lugansk works as a taxi driver.
        Moscow region. Closed (!) Military camp (!)
      10. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 12: 49
        10
        I really quite a while ago already moved from Kazakhstan, then there was no FMS, there were Passport Tables. But, nevertheless, I didn’t notice any special problems. I got a job in the specialty - a surveyor engineer, to the North. Only after many years received citizenship - also without problems! And in the North, by the way, a lot of people of various specialties with Ukrainian passports work on shifts. Would you like to watch in the Arctic?
        As for your wife, there is plenty of work in the cities, there would be a desire. Maybe she really wanted too much? Does she work with you and what education does she have?
        And then you have all the common words - no specifics!
      11. alicante11
        alicante11 5 November 2015 13: 24
        +4
        ? The same problem with work. RLU gives the right to work. But in fact no one wants to take it.


        Excuse me, are you looking for work in Moscow? So, maybe it was necessary not to settle in the capital or in central Russia, where the competition in the labor market is higher, but to wave to us in the Far East? Well, to the heap, I think that there is work in the MSC as well, but most likely the payment is not suitable for you. However, well done, capitalism, and we are in the same conditions. So it’s better not to complain, but to start working wherever possible. And there, you look, and something better will turn up.
        By the way, I have not come across rudeness in government agencies for a long time. Especially if you behave normally and do not require special treatment.
      12. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 5 November 2015 13: 57
        +6
        I'll put in my "five cents"
        add ten more. The point is in the system itself - even an ordinary citizen of Russia simply to receive a passport in exchange for a lost one is a big "headache", they will exhaust their whole souls, although what is easier - everything is computerized. As for the "Ukrainian" issue, and not only it ... now they are showing a congress of Russian communities or compatriots is taking place. how much chatter over the years! Is it really impossible to give citizenship to Russian speakers without problems ?? and even more so for the residents of the former USSR? and then a show with foreign celebrities on all TVs in the country! if a person is normal with a family why not give citizenship? In general, priority can be given - it means that a person seriously expects to live and work here, and whoever does not want to - I think it’s right, to send, and even reduce the period to a month. Is it really impossible to decide why you came to Russia? Live or stay?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 5 November 2015 16: 44
          +5
          Everything is correct. My sister has a girlfriend, her sister came to her from Ukraine, with three young children. That kopeck piece, a family of 4 people. Cramped up. Live a week, a second. - Maybe you will rent an apartment? - So there is no money. - Get a job. - They don’t take it, they look at the passport. - Well, somehow make out! - Yeah, and we have an apartment there, and if I get registered here, then suddenly an apartment will be taken away! And so, like I just came to visit. Fine? About the passport. I restored my passport 5 years ago. No difficulties. Wrote a statement, passed a photo, got a new one in a couple of weeks? Maybe something has changed in 5 years.
          1. Rostov
            Rostov 5 November 2015 19: 19
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            Wrote a statement, passed a photo, got a new one in a couple of weeks? Maybe something has changed in 5 years

            Yes, nothing has changed. Somewhere like you have no problems, but somewhere you are tormented. It all depends on the head of the service. But in general, if the state office begins to worry, do not be shy and very nervous - you need to write a complaint. The following addresses are indicated in the header: the Presidential Administration, the Presidential Plenipotentiary Envoy to the Federal District, the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation, the Minister of the Ministry of which you are complaining about, and you can go to the ONF’s subject to heaps. From my work I know that in 80% of cases, if the problem is principle solvable, valid.
      13. 75 hammer
        75 hammer 5 November 2015 15: 05
        -1
        I'll put in my "five kopecks". I've been following Roman's publications for a long time. I didn't want to get into controversy, but ... it really boiled. I am from the point of view of refugees. Last summer I sent my wife and child. Our commandant's guys took them out. In Donetsk, in they were given soap and water supplies and 1500 (one thousand five hundred) rubles of aid (and thanks for that) When they found out that there were relatives in the Bryansk region, they sent them to Bryansk, miracles began. For two months they made a permit for temporary asylum (no refugee status, no They don’t take a job. Without a piece of paper, as they say ... She calls me, cries. I say, how can this be, you’re doing something wrong. Okay, the brothers helped. Accepted, dressed, fed. Acquaintances helped with work, in September they got a small boy to school. Now I showed up. And I was personally convinced of everything. In the FMS they look at you like a moron. Do not consult or ask. Shout like victims, you don’t know? The same problem with RVU gives the right to work, but in fact no one wants to take. Citizenship requires official employment. Some kind of collision turns out. Here is such crap in general. You can talk for a long time, but is it necessary? And whoever I crossed paths with, everyone has the same problems. People are starting to leave. We do not require any money. , no. We want to legally live and work. Something like this "------------ As for work, we already have three people, and there are no problems, the main thing is to come to the FMS on time! As they say there would be a desire
      14. 75 hammer
        75 hammer 5 November 2015 15: 05
        0
        I'll put in my "five kopecks". I've been following Roman's publications for a long time. I didn't want to get into controversy, but ... it really boiled. I am from the point of view of refugees. Last summer I sent my wife and child. Our commandant's guys took them out. In Donetsk, in they were given soap and water supplies and 1500 (one thousand five hundred) rubles of aid (and thanks for that) When they found out that there were relatives in the Bryansk region, they sent them to Bryansk, miracles began. For two months they made a permit for temporary asylum (no refugee status, no They don’t take a job. Without a piece of paper, as they say ... She calls me, cries. I say, how can this be, you’re doing something wrong. Okay, the brothers helped. Accepted, dressed, fed. Acquaintances helped with work, in September they got a small boy to school. Now I showed up. And I was personally convinced of everything. In the FMS they look at you like a moron. Do not consult or ask. Shout like victims, you don’t know? The same problem with RVU gives the right to work, but in fact no one wants to take. Citizenship requires official employment. Some kind of collision turns out. Here is such crap in general. You can talk for a long time, but is it necessary? And whoever I crossed paths with, everyone has the same problems. People are starting to leave. We do not require any money. , no. We want to legally live and work. Something like this "------------ As for work, we already have three people, and there are no problems, the main thing is to come to the FMS on time! As they say there would be a desire
    2. Gloomy
      Gloomy 5 November 2015 09: 09
      20
      There must be priorities. To help the refugees, but at the same time give a kick to their Russian citizens is not at all right.
      1. yushch
        yushch 5 November 2015 09: 26
        12
        I do not agree with the statement that refugees can only be from the areas of the database. Do not forget that throughout Ukraine you can stupidly disappear or lose health just because you have beliefs that are different from the official course. I won’t say anything specific about the policy of our FMS, because I don’t have information, but I can say one thing for refugees in any foreign country is difficult to get a job, even in a friendly one.
        1. Valentine
          Valentine 5 November 2015 11: 15
          16
          Yes, everyone goes to Russia, and for various reasons,
          but the main reason is war. I myself from the DPR, for more than a year under shelling, saw enough and heard a lot of things. They go to Russia under the guise of refugees and those who are in Ukraine
          they yell, foaming at the mouth "Glory to Ukraine", and upon arrival in Russia they yell "Putin is our president", and there are quite a few of them traveling with a fig in their pocket. There is no work in "nenka"
          , Europe threw them with a visa-free regime and lace panties, where to go to work? Only to the brother-adversary. And the FMS will not always make out who is who.
          1. avt
            avt 5 November 2015 11: 44
            +3
            Quote: Valentine
            Yes, everyone goes to Russia, and for various reasons,
            but the main reason is war.

            good Absolutely right! And if at the beginning the same GDP gave the go-ahead to let EVERYTHING, even if they just didn’t kill each other during a violent mobilization, now it’s quite worth it after years to figure out and help those who are really refugees, and who are stupid at earning and still profit from their status he wants a ball for a refugee. Well, no one has canceled the bureaucratic excesses with red tape and bribery in the FMS and in the places of residence, and this is another story that must be fought.
            1. Rubs
              Rubs 5 November 2015 23: 39
              +3
              Guys. I see no one distinguishes between a "refugee" from someone who has received temporary asylum and even from someone who has not received anything (in earnings). These are different statuses.
              There are sooo few refugees. Hundreds out of millions. A "refugee" is given in exceptional cases. If you prove exactly what you want ...
              FMS prevent such take-offs on take-off. Protect the country's budget. So sleep well smile
              And journalists call refugees all those who have fallen from their place. And the people think that they all (us) give money every day. No.
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    3. HAM
      HAM 5 November 2015 09: 22
      29
      They drive in "Volgas", EXCEPT, faces are wider than "Volgas" themselves, refugees from Ukraine, mind you, not from Donbass and make claims that they are not well received. I think the residents of Kuban have already seen such .......
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 5 November 2015 09: 54
      12
      Quote: mosquit
      The point is not in the migration policy of the Russian Federation ...
      The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, the migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and in general to "consolidate in the minds" of the presence of such a conflict ...


      Why not in migration policy? Just in her darling. For example, if I now go to the EU and say that the refugee will tell me that I am lying and sent home, there is no war in my village (and by the way since 1943). Why should it be different with others?
      1. mosquit
        mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 50
        -4
        Quote: Geisenberg
        For example, if I go to the EU now

        What does the migration policy of the Russian Federation have to do with it?
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 13: 19
        0
        Because if you go, let’s say to France from Algeria and say that you are a refugee and you owe, then you will be received and accommodated!
        It’s clear what I mean?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 5 November 2015 14: 03
          +6
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          Because if you go, let’s say to France from Algeria and say that you are a refugee and you owe, then you will be received and accommodated!

          laughing So you should not confuse warm with soft, they are legally prescribed to help refugees from their colonies - this is a type of compensation.
          But what side should Ukraine Ukraine? This is not a colony, under the occupation were not ours, with which we should accept and equip everyone?
          And who will check the qualifications of these specialists and how? Over 20 years, their training system has changed dozens of times and not fact that for the better, but laborers - there are enough dumpers here and from Asia, choose from what’s left or look in less comfortable areas. Something not really going to the north, give warm places to all in large cities.
    5. ava09
      ava09 5 November 2015 10: 22
      +4
      Quote: mosquit
      The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, the migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and in general to "consolidate in the minds" of the presence of such a conflict ...


      "You are our tolerant" ... Any ORDER can be defined as "dislike" for unscrupulous purposes! It is necessary to separate borscht and flies, otherwise "you eat such d ... ma that will not seem a little.)
      1. mosquit
        mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 55
        -4
        Quote: ava09
        Any ORDER can be determined as "dislike" with unscrupulous goals!

        And in Russian?
    6. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 5 November 2015 10: 44
      +9
      Just in migration policy, more precisely in the legislation. I have a janitor in the courtyard of Tajik, so he has a work permit and registration in order. Why should someone else be? It was warned, take shape, narrow, no, no ...
    7. meriem1
      meriem1 5 November 2015 10: 53
      +7
      Quote: mosquit
      The point is not in the migration policy of the Russian Federation ...
      The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, the migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and in general to "consolidate in the minds" of the presence of such a conflict ...


      And do not go, you would be my dear !!!! This is the thesis !!!

      In general, people come from there really different. Saw and those who, enlighten your head, except for "give", you will not find anything. But there were a lot of people, for whom these benefits and statuses were not needed. They came, sometimes stayed with half-acquaintances, often found on the Internet, issued permits, found work, housing. And waited for citizenship. And they got it. And they became our citizens. And God grant them further good luck and happiness in the new life.


      And the liberals have already howled !!! First, they howled like where such a collar hang on the neck of the people, And now in the return !!! ALE liberal !!! What do you think We have no memory ???? Do not judge by yourself ... lovers of brown bolts.
      1. mosquit
        mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 57
        16 th
        Point your wife ... and read carefully ...
    8. 97110
      97110 5 November 2015 11: 10
      +5
      Quote: mosquit
      The author is clearly playing

      Yes The author seems to be known to us. And he never succeeds in "playing". What he wrote, about that and I think - I will not speak for everyone. The conflict that you have indicated has long been created by migrants from Ukraine. No authors are needed, we ourselves see healthy lads how they jump back and forth.
    9. tso1973
      tso1973 5 November 2015 11: 59
      14
      So-called refugees came to our city! They gave them a dormitory, they offered work according to their profession, so they didn’t like the conditions and they went to Moscow, you see, give them an apartment and leadership positions. But not all such parasites! A large family lives in the next entrance, it’s like from Lugansk, they rent an apartment and everyone works children go to school, they all like going to stay forever! So the members of our society themselves are not to blame for hostility!
    10. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 5 November 2015 13: 00
      12
      In our country, not a single article can affect the attitude towards ukrabezhtsam. Because the majority have one attitude. Get a job (you could have time for a year) and work, live quietly. And all those who are not refugees and used our mercenary purposes country hump with a club and a kick in the ass.
    11. Foxmara
      Foxmara 5 November 2015 14: 42
      +5
      Quote: mosquit
      playing on social conflict, migrant - citizen of the Russian Federation

      where exactly?? Different positions are given and the appeal is essentially the same - if you want to be Russian, stay, take part, if you don't want to - welcome to the Motherland. It's not about the motto Russia for Russians, as you hint, but about the humane attitude. "The eye is a narrow nose plyusky - all the same Russian." We accept any nations, but you don't have to spit into the well from which you drink. And the Ukrainians are our relatives, to say the least .. We really DO NOT need parasites, here are all sorts of specialists, but simply willing to work and build - please.
    12. Fox_1959
      Fox_1959 5 November 2015 18: 47
      +5
      Yes, the author does not play in social conflict. And quite specifically expresses the opinion of a certain stratum of society, which is faced with the same or a similar problem. So, in our Irkutsk region, preferences were arranged for migrants from Ukraine - and they showed them the places of work (they drove them by car — I don’t like it, they paid a little), and they provided housing (it turned out to be not very comfortable) ... They would have served their own way. So, Mosquito, you should not play the card of Russians' hostility towards migrants.
    13. papas-57
      papas-57 5 November 2015 19: 25
      +2
      '' The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, a migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and, in general, to 'consolidate in the minds' of the existence of such a conflict ... if the latter behave humanly, without violating the laws and moral norms of the country that has adopted them.
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    15. hly
      hly 5 November 2015 21: 38
      +5
      The author does not play on this .... I have an 2 example constantly before my eyes a woman from Lugansk who now has 16 children. Sorry for your 2, and the rest of the friends who stayed with their husbands, excuse me, moonlighting, washing machines help and still study (age from 6-17). She came to us to ask for help .... not for herself, for those who stayed there. We now took this family to provide for our Cossack society. But it was not shocking for me to come.
      And the second situation, brought placed in the camp products of the stove all connected. Where is the internet? Where is the cook? A cleaning lady will be, a kindergarten. There were three men there. We’ll go to your mayor’s rally .... Damn ... they handed over the men to the Department of Internal Affairs (rallies had to be organized there before, and not to run but to fight, otherwise we arrived without documents and at the rally ... no longer saw them) And the ladies were told that 60 women can eat, cook, clean, and organize a mini garden. And about the work was not very interested.
    16. Sharapov
      Sharapov 5 November 2015 21: 39
      +2
      The problems of refugees and Ukrainian hard workers, I think, are somewhat contrived. So far, the FMS has not taken any measures against them. My wife at work for 4 months working hohlushka from Lviv. Gets his 20-wee, half sends the doc to Lviv. Do you think she has a permit, or a patent for a job? Schaz ... Moreover, she is still the intriguer - quarreled the whole team.
    17. Jäger scharfschütze
      Jäger scharfschütze 5 November 2015 23: 19
      +2
      The author of this "vyser" is clearly either a provocateur or d-t, if I had not worked in the structure of the Federal Migration Service, I would have believed, but do you know how much they bring their own money here? How much do they spend on all paperwork, registration and housing? No? So go to the FMS website and read the procedure for receiving benefits. Look around how many offices there are around the FMS, who is sitting there? And even more so, what does the Ukrainians have to do with it, if everywhere all trade, medicine !, and other spheres are captured by our friends from Armenia and Azerbaijan? And how does a Slav work there? Okay? Zadolbalo this whining "what is there for the Ukrainians", or do we have few of our own problems?
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    18. Altona
      Altona 6 November 2015 15: 11
      +1
      Quote: mosquit
      The author is clearly playing on a social conflict, the migrant is a citizen of the Russian Federation, in order to create in readers dislike for migrants from Ukraine and in general to "consolidate in the minds" of the presence of such a conflict ...

      ---------------------
      He goes to his home, visits his own and can move in again for 90 days, I don’t see a problem ... Or maybe he can get a work visa and work legally ...
    19. penguin
      penguin 6 November 2015 23: 21
      0
      I put a plus simply because in my opinion 90 percent did not read the comments and puts the minus automatically, because someone had minuses to it (and everything is red there), and in my personal opinion there was nothing to minus for that. Although I agree with the author in principle.
  2. Rarahin
    Rarahin 5 November 2015 15: 41
    +3
    Russia's position is not only normal, but also far-sighted.
    It shows very well those who really fled from the war, and who decided to correct their well-being in this war.
    And now, when the "shop" has been closed, the cries of yesterday's "refugees," what is it all about ... they are expelled for nothing, "they well distinguish Man from an inhabitant of planet Earth ...
  3. forest park 86
    forest park 86 5 November 2015 21: 55
    +1
    That's right, the shooting has calmed down, it's time to go home, restore the homeland.
  4. complete zero
    complete zero 6 November 2015 15: 47
    -1
    "the most normal position of our state")))) - on Yamal (and on the peninsula itself) the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks (the Nenets are in the tundra, God bless them), in their native Tyumen (so far calm) and yet Asia too much ... Moscow and Peter (everything is clear there) -Far East-China ... this is all "the normal position of our state" ... I'll make a reservation right away - not a liberal ... but this "normal position" is already annoying
  5. nika407
    nika407 7 November 2015 15: 11
    +1
    Over 2 years, my small Homeland-USSR with all its friendly and native people disappeared for me. However, maybe this happened earlier, back in the 90s. I haven’t been there since 96. But even then, changes struck me: the neighbors in the 4-apartment building, who were always nice friends with each other, suddenly became fierce enemies - they didn’t divide the trees under the windows :(. Then they became different, then an abscess has already begun to form and mature ... Now, IMHO, for me, that Papuan, that Ukrainian is irrelevant. The law should be the same for everyone. All partners, as Lenya Golubkov says. We do not need freeloaders.
  • Socialism 2.0
    Socialism 2.0 5 November 2015 06: 03
    46
    Refugees are also different ... some work huddled in a few people in one-room apartments, while others are messing around, demanding vodka in stalls for free on the grounds that "they are refugees and they have a war", getting drunk shout "glory to Ukraine" - for which they were not beaten times (cases in one of the villages of the Rostov region). Those who wanted to settle in Russia, our state gave them a chance and opportunities, all the rest of the cunning ass - kicked back in the ass.
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 November 2015 06: 17
      24
      Quote: Socialism 2.0
      Those who wanted to settle in Russia - our state gave a chance and opportunity, all the rest of the cunning - back kick in the ass.

      No, the kick is only for those who did not want to live according to our rules and laws, and if everything is normal, then let them work ...
    2. mosquit
      mosquit 5 November 2015 07: 54
      +3
      People are different...
    3. igor1981
      igor1981 5 November 2015 08: 29
      +7
      Yes, I agree, refugees are different and the article left a double feeling. This, as they say, which refugees you run into. In principle, for a year who would like to move to Russia, they could do this. I don’t want to condemn anyone, but the FMS proposed its admission rules ...
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    5. Reinhard
      Reinhard 5 November 2015 09: 06
      +7
      And what's the problem? Make everything legal! Just! Live and work!
  • morpogr
    morpogr 5 November 2015 06: 07
    53
    Relatives from Donetsk came with three children and did not immediately ask the state to work. In principle, they did not receive refugee status; they received a rvp (temporary residence permit). We only helped the father of the family with employment and took the children to the country for the summer. Moreover, they are both Russian and were born in Russia. Refugees, like people, are all different.
  • Riv
    Riv 5 November 2015 06: 08
    16
    But after all, as I understand it, they are not sent. They simply lost their refugee status. Let them take shape, like all normal people, and be happy with them.
    1. tianna
      tianna 5 November 2015 07: 14
      11
      If they lived with dill passports, as the author writes, then they did not have any status of "refugees". But it was possible to arrange something over the past year and live in peace. As always, they hoped at random. But in fact, I personally was surprised that it turns out that a lot of people all this time lived perfectly without any statuses and problems. Until the thunder struck
  • Rusich is not from Kiev
    Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 06: 19
    15
    Less Roma for a lie. Do not give refugees apartments. There is no government decree in this regard. If this guy really exists, then let him go to the prosecutor's office. It’s just that someone has advanced his own person, but he has blamed them on refugees.
    1. domokl
      domokl 5 November 2015 06: 27
      13
      Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
      If this guy really exists, then let him go to the prosecutor.

      Exists. Although I am far from Voronezh, I know him personally. And the guy is fighting. He was awarded a medal in New Russia. And the fact that Roman wrote a real fact.
      So here is a minus to you.
      1. Rusich is not from Kiev
        Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 06: 33
        16
        At least one government order or order where refugees should provide apartments? There are no such. That is, the city hall or the governor allocates apartments that are supposed to citizens of the Russian Federation. This is a criminal case. There are many such stories, but this is pure fraud. So go to the prosecutor.
        1. domokl
          domokl 5 November 2015 07: 23
          +6
          Honestly, I was not interested in this issue. therefore I can’t answer. But the fact that the waiting list is being pushed under this pretext and we have ...
          1. mosquit
            mosquit 5 November 2015 08: 13
            10
            Quote: domokl
            But the fact that the waiting list is being pushed under this pretext and we have ...

            You have funny logic ...
            If someone commits illegal actions, hiding behind, or justifying them with "care" for refugees from Ukraine, then ... the reason is in the refugees and in the migration policy of the Russian Federation ...
            I still did not understand why the Author connects the migration policy of the Russian Federation and the current migration control with the illegal actions of Russian officials?
    2. tianna
      tianna 5 November 2015 07: 21
      +4
      Most likely, in each region differently. For example, in our country there are no benefits for refugees (and there were none). At the very beginning, they gave those who arrived one-time small amounts - from a charity fund, not from the budget! And in every possible way they encouraged people to look for work, helped with vacancies, with resettlement, with kindergartens and schools, a medical board was issued for free to obtain status, people shared everything: humanitarian aid in the form of food and clothes is still at several points of delivery. Who wants to - he works and lives normally, children learn.
      1. Rubs
        Rubs 6 November 2015 00: 04
        +1
        tianna
        I confirm everything. So it was and is. Both people and the district administration helped us.
        Only you call everyone who ran away refugees. Such refugees are not entitled to anything. But the state should support a refugee with the status of "Refugee". And it is unrealistic to become such a refugee.
        1. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 6 November 2015 05: 59
          +2
          Quote: Rubs
          And to become such a refugee is unrealistic.

          Why is it unrealistic. Seichas may yes. but when people fled they offered to everyone. But it is besides help there are inconveniences. For example, it will be very dangerous to return to Ukraine with such a status. So whoever immediately decided not to return received the status and immediately applied for citizenship, while the rest wanted to return and thought it was not for long. By the way, the Russian Federation in the year 14 was on the contrary profitable, so that people would take refugee status and then show it to the West.
          1. Rubs
            Rubs 6 November 2015 07: 33
            +2
            Rusich is not from Kiev.
            Nothing was offered to anyone. Right at the border near the tents, they began to explain the difference between a refugee and a shelter.
            Now you are talking specifically about the shelter. This is the status of the Vault we have taken. And they would not renounce citizenship. However, there is little desire. I recently celebrated the anniversary of the simplified citizenship movement. This is after collecting all the evidence. Three more months in the archives.
            And while it broke off about the Consulate of Ukraine. Where I saw a fig.
            Ukraine does not want to lose citizens. It will not be easy to get rid of Ukrainian citizenship.
            1. Rusich is not from Kiev
              Rusich is not from Kiev 6 November 2015 13: 32
              0
              Quote: Rubs
              Nothing was offered to anyone. Right at the border near the tents, they began to explain the difference between a refugee and a shelter.

              Is it sabotage? It seems like Putin personally signed the decree. And we in the city from Ukraine have families with children, it seems like we started working immediately. Gave them citizenship or not. but the governor on TV personally promised them.
    3. Doomph
      Doomph 5 November 2015 08: 58
      +6
      This guy has a completely different lineup. Refugees (providing them with housing, kindergartens, schools, etc.) have nothing to do with him. Let him turn to the prosecutor's office. The local administration is "muddying up" this. The same is with housing for orphanages. Better yet, let him simultaneously file a lawsuit against the administration (it should have been done for a long time).
  • Nord2015
    Nord2015 5 November 2015 06: 35
    30
    Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
    Do not give refugees apartments.

    Give. Our residents of dilapidated housing remained living on the spot, and a lot of refugees settled in the housing built for them. And they refused to get a job, under the pretext of a small salary. The people called them rabies. So that many have already boiled.
    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
      Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 06: 39
      -3
      Name the city and the address of the house.
      1. I am
        I am 5 November 2015 10: 37
        +2
        Saratov. Houses built as part of the "teacher's house" program ................
        1. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 20: 07
          +2
          Quote: I am
          Saratov. Houses built within the framework of the "teacher's house" program ..

          Googled. These homes are not free. but with a share of the state. How can there be migrants if people paid for the apartment?
          Less to you or a link where it is written about this.
          1. I am
            I am 7 November 2015 11: 46
            0
            YEAH, I was on this project. It just didn't come to "paid for the apartment". They built boxes of sandwich panels, and then they wanted to supply communications and collect money from us, they did not have time. Refugees have appeared. That's all. These houses, by the way, are not far from the hostel about which I wrote above (where the FMS identified the refugees)
  • Support
    Support 5 November 2015 06: 38
    +8
    Quote: Rusich not from Kiev
    Less Roma for a lie. Do not give refugees apartments. There is no government decree in this regard ......

    We have a similar story in Kamchatka. And if there are no Decrees, that is, unspoken orders that you like, do not want, but follow. Give them a living space. Only there are differences (at least in Kamchatka) - single rooms in a dormitory (corridor type), a family section already, but also in former dormitories. But I heard (a rumor from the administration of the PKGO) that some people were given apartments in new buildings. In general, it is right with them, only earlier it was necessary .... for six months.
    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
      Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 07: 09
      14
      Spruce the fallen. They also give in my city, but this is temporary housing, and not built for the waiting list. Do you understand the difference? We even settled in boarding houses at first and paid for the region.
      If the apartment is built for the waiting list, and they give it to the immigrant immediately to the prosecutor's office.
      Here are the rumors yes, everyone heard. I’m asking everyone to give me an address where the migrants settle and no one gives. Wonders.
      I will upset you. This does not apply to the people of Donbas. We need to help or honestly then send the whit with LDNR.
      1. mosquit
        mosquit 5 November 2015 08: 00
        +2
        Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
        Here are the rumors yes, everyone heard.

        These are no longer rumors - but the deliberate spread of misinformation ...
      2. I am
        I am 7 November 2015 11: 47
        0
        PANCAKE, read above, I have already spotted TWO places - where the "Ukrainian refugees" were settled in our city.
  • socol562
    socol562 5 November 2015 06: 43
    14
    Ukrainians can live at someone else’s expense very well. And it’s time to start filtering a long time ago. There are a lot of parasites on their part.
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 5 November 2015 11: 54
      +2
      ..... Ukrainians can live at someone else’s expense very well. And it’s time to start filtering a long time ....


      ..... A very belated decision .... Many of them have long been naturalized (in different ways) ... Here, as in that saying: it would be happiness, but misfortune helped .....
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  • zmey77
    zmey77 5 November 2015 06: 44
    +9
    these "oppressed koklami" in our area were given housing and work at a poultry farm, well, so none of them began to work. The allowance is already received, they eat vodka all day and bawl songs.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 5 November 2015 06: 50
    +5
    And what, the FMS must keep the staff of investigators in order to find out whether they are shelling the village or not? And if they’re fired at, can Ukrainians from Russia be asked to go home? And if they returned, and there they began to fight, can you return to Russia? No one will deal with this. As always, we went along a difficult path. Apartments at the expense of Russians can not be given. Why on earth? Do all Russians live separately and happily? There are many abandoned villages. sat down. In cities of abandoned buildings or military camps. Well, let them settle there as in a dormitory.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 November 2015 07: 04
    15
    The Russians, out of the kindness of their hearts, greeted the "refugees" from Ukraine with open arms. But some of these people are not refugees at all, and some hate Russians and Russia, having fled here from the draft. It's one thing to shout: "Glory to something", another thing to fight for this "glory." Therefore, our state finally decided to put things in order in this issue, which was really warned about. And it is not the first time that "our liberals" and all sorts of "echoes" will lament now.
  • stappler 2
    stappler 2 5 November 2015 07: 08
    11 th
    Quote: Socialism 2.0
    The refugees are also different ... some work huddled up by several people in one-room apartments, while others are lounging,

    duck, we kind of, butted in the beginning with a sight at least to the Dnieper, well, for all of Lugansk and Donetsk - exactly,
    and now we consider dill from the occupied territories, in short, the author is full squared. article three minuses, if I could. and in general the wind is blowing such that the republic will soon merge, so that soon everyone will again become terrible dill ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 5 November 2015 07: 26
      +4
      Quote: stappler 2
      duck, we kind of, butted at the beginning with a sight at least to the Dnieper

      Who are we? Just wondering.
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 5 November 2015 09: 04
        17
        duck, we kind of, butted at the beginning with a sight at least to the Dnieper


        Forgive me, if Ukraine en masse rebelled against the junta, then yes.
        People in the mass - sat and waited.
        Take Russia full responsibility - sorry.
        Some chimoshniki by force seized power in Kiev, but the citizens of Ukraine somehow did not object.
        "We cannot be more Serbs than the Serbs themselves."
        Those. Should Russia have risked for the east of Ukraine? It's strange how that ...
  • Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 5 November 2015 07: 14
    +6
    For a long time it was necessary to start filtering these "refugees". Of which a good half showed up to live for free.
  • mosquit
    mosquit 5 November 2015 07: 16
    14 th
    I have a friend who is much younger than me. It just so happened. All his life he stood in line for an apartment. Our state owed him an apartment because his father, an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, died 2 months before his birth. But until his 25 years, he lived in a one-room apartment with his mother. Not enough. He grew up in it, learned, served in the army, by the way, although for obvious reasons he might not have done so. According to law. But - served.

    And on 25 for years, he was given a luxurious gift: he was informed that, since he already had 25, he was already an adult and able-bodied member of society, then he could earn money on his property. And they pushed him from the queue first from the second hundred to the second thousand, and then removed it altogether. You see, they put refugees in line.


    The message of this story is not very clear ...
    Let the Author indicate the normative act according to which the "Friend of the Author" should be provided with living quarters ...
    The distribution of such stories, like the article itself, is another pamphlet against migrants from Ukraine ...
    The correspondence of the title and the "content", where
    camp of Ukrainians in Russia
    -
    pseudo-cell of a two-person society

    The author is an ordinary representative of the philistine culture, expresses a poorly concealed hostility towards those who "come in large numbers" ...
    Funny why the author does not work in a kiosk? laughing
    1. domokl
      domokl 5 November 2015 07: 29
      11
      Quote: mosquit
      Funny why the author does not work in a kiosk?

      Probably because it works elsewhere. It seems to me that it’s not about a lot of money said. It is necessary to establish order. 32 billion rubles have already been spent on their maintenance. It’s time and honor to know. To be determined.
      Why are Ukrainians better than other former Soviet peoples? The same independent state as they are. Why benefits?
      1. mosquit
        mosquit 5 November 2015 07: 52
        11 th
        32 billion rubles have already been spent on their maintenance.

        Whose content is it? Described cell society?
        Why are Ukrainians better than other former Soviet peoples?

        Nothing ... and what do you mean by "Ukrainian"?
        What benefits are we talking about, who provided them?
        In your understanding of the privilege - not to file a patent?
        I will repeat myself - the author of the pamphlet pursues a certain goal and I assure you that it is not about establishing "order" in the migration policy of the Russian Federation.
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 5 November 2015 07: 17
    +5
    right! timely article!
  • press officer
    press officer 5 November 2015 07: 18
    +8
    Quote: socol562
    Ukrainians can live at someone else’s expense very well. And it’s time to start filtering a long time ago. There are a lot of parasites on their part.


    I agree 100% already wrote last year how the average businessman built a refugee camp in his pioneer camp and how they received all the money from our state, having killed all the furniture and drove it to their home ... It's time to filter them all!
  • Redman
    Redman 5 November 2015 08: 19
    +7
    The correct article. A lot of them came to Kamchatka. All impudent, all owe them because everything is because of us! ...
  • Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 5 November 2015 08: 45
    +2
    They’ll send back. In order to finally finish off the current government. In order not to sit back, but to go to the Maidan. So that a social explosion will take place. We will create more problems of the current government.
  • Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 5 November 2015 08: 48
    11
    A family with a child and my grandmother paid a rented apartment in my neighbors from Lugansk, a decent cultural family arranged a girl for school, the whole world helped whoever they could but the guy didn’t find work to his taste, and since he arrived in his car, he spent XNUMX hours in eventually gathered and left for Lugansk there just the lull began. But I also heard from friends about lovers to receive and drink the allowance. So you need to filter not only by geography but also with respect to the preferences received, someone is adjusting their life and someone wants freebies.
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 5 November 2015 08: 57
    +9
    In fact, everything is correct. Russia, for humanitarian reasons, was supposed to help the refugees "turn over".
    But solving their life problems is a slightly different opera.
    In principle, they are ready to accept as migrants. What is so terrible about it?
    Well, many people dream of migrating to the United States, although there, no one is seriously going to help newcomers seriously.
    So let them apply. Well, then - all at their own expense.
    And to distribute apartments ... well, I'm sorry. Absurd.
  • wild
    wild 5 November 2015 09: 06
    +4
    He was a refugee after the persecution in Uzbekistan in 90. Then they changed their status to an internally displaced person, the benefits are almost the same, kindergarten, baby food, school is what I really used and thanks for that, given the situation in the country at that time. Everything else is self. And Ukraine needs (who needs) to move the loaves. Better brother Slavs than ...... from Asia.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 November 2015 09: 11
    +7
    Those citizens of Ukraine that I see cannot be called idlers. They plow in so that the dust stands. Moreover, Ukrainians from both eastern and western Ukraine often work side by side. Rarely does someone share their political views and opinions. As a rule, it sounds: "We are out of politics." And the task is one, to feed yourself and your family.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 5 November 2015 09: 18
    +7
    As always, there are many letters and few numbers, which allows us to speak about one thing - the article is calculated for the contingent who are used to shouting either "Hurray" or "Everything is lost", depending on what mood they give in the first or subsequent comments. If in the first comments they give a "response", taking into account the statistics, then the participants begin to think, but if the author is lucky, then you can hang "noodles"!
    There is some truth in relation to persons from western and central Ukraine, but basically it all boils down to the fact that "because of these things, everything is bad for us." And you need to think about it, since refugees from those areas may be, for example, those whose relatives are in the militia or themselves have come under repression. Or does the author not consider those who fled, for example, after the massacre in Odessa?

    If you need to understand the situation objectively, you should read the article by military expert and journalist Vladislav Shurygin - http://shurigin.livejournal.com/680341.html

    Well, I was personally struck by the author’s linguistic or phonetic abilities
    Well, I with my practice distinguish Lugansk speech from others. True, there are differences, even if compared with the Donetsk team.
    I have lived all my life in the Donbass and until then I cannot distinguish the Luhansk from the Donetsk by the dialect!
    1. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 5 November 2015 17: 23
      +2
      I’ve lived the same garbage all my life in Lugansk, but I can’t even distinguish between Donetsk and Lugansk or Dnepropetrovsk in the Rostov region. I don’t notice the same differences. you are different as a layer between everyone, but once you were in the Russian Empire, thanks to Lenin for our = happy childhood = that we hung between heaven and earth
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        1. smirnov
          smirnov 8 November 2015 20: 48
          0
          By the way, your spaces are also not always put down ...
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse 5 November 2015 09: 37
    14
    I have a paralyzed mother, and a nurse from Uzbekistan who was found through an agency helps her look after her. So she had all the tests passed, the patent was paid, all the documents were in order, she was neat. She is even indignant that the Ukrainian nurses raised a howl, says that they are used to special conditions for them, because They have a war with Russia (many nurses from Ukraine are in fact Western Ukrainian); and my nurse says that they just want to do it like everyone else. Everyone else has long been following these rules. Even she understands that the rules should be the same for everyone and that is normal, but Ekho Moskvy does not understand this.
  • Mestny
    Mestny 5 November 2015 09: 44
    +2
    Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
    That is, the city hall or the governor allocates apartments that are supposed to citizens of the Russian Federation. This is a criminal case. There are many such stories, but this is pure fraud. So go to the prosecutor.

    I confirm. In the Pskov region, this situation took place last year. Plus a small scandal with medicines, which, according to a local official, were allegedly "sent to Crimea."
    Well, nothing, sorted out ...
    Russia is big, it happens differently everywhere.
  • gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 5 November 2015 09: 49
    +1
    the freebie is over, all the bast! Everything is within the law, why did they get that they are all special to them take it out on a silver platter. go and work for your Rodina and at the same time compare life in the country of which is fighting with your Ukraine and tell them what the dibalm is they scream that Russia attacked Ukraine, that it’s not so. You see that it is passing in Syria where the Russian Federation is fighting IS. How exactly do planes operate, dropping bombs from 500 kg to 1500 tons on the heads of IS. and the article is not custom?
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  • mosquit
    mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 27
    -2
    I will explain why I myself put a minus to this article and why I consider the author a pamphletist, moreover, “on a salary”.
    Article 282. Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity
    1. Actions aimed at inciting hatred or enmity, as well as at humiliating the dignity of a person or group of persons on the grounds of sex, race, nationality, language, origin, religion, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or with using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet

    From the first words and the rest of the text, the author expresses disregard for migrants from Ukraine and is simply cynical.
    who came to us from Ukraine under different brands of people. Someone refugee, someone migrant, someone repatriate, there are many subspecies and subclasses

    pseudo-cell of a two-person society. It is clear, who came from Ukraine last year. Pseudo - this is because it seems like they live together, but unregistered, unmarried and understandable, according to Ukrainian passports. But this is a matter exclusively for this cell.

    Since they are not arrogant people, they didn’t shout "Glory to Ukraine" at night, we (residents) didn’t really know who they were and where

    And so it ended Russian fairy tale for Luhansk "refugee".

    A vulgar (to put it mildly) description of the introduction of amendments to the migration policy of the Russian Federation, although it is a question of returning to previous standards.
    from August 1, we begin to tighten the nuts. And from November 1, the process takes on an irreversible and tough character. And from December 1, those who do not want to be a participant in this process are welcome to return to their native Ukraine, and for three years they have not come to us.

    Discrediting and misinformation about the work of the executive authorities of the Russian Federation.
    And, in the end, she began to sort out a little of the two and a half million Ukrainians who came to us last year ..
    In general, in this case I fully support the FMS. Accepted. Placed. Helped by the first time. Supported financially, and not bad, I must say, supported. But as if a year has passed, it's time to start settling everything. Any fairy tale tends to end.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 5 November 2015 11: 11
      +3
      From the first words and the rest of the text, the author expresses disregard for migrants from Ukraine and is simply cynical.


      the author writes in plain text what he thinks. What problems? Let's all say the allegories in Aesopian language ... lol
      1. mosquit
        mosquit 5 November 2015 11: 21
        -1
        For the "gifted"

        Article 282. Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity
        1. Actions aimed at inciting hatred or enmity, as well as at humiliating the dignity of a person or group of persons on the grounds of sex, race, nationality, language, origin, religion, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or with using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 5 November 2015 17: 12
          +3
          I see in the article the incitement of enmity towards lazy people (even laziness should be formed as it should be) and towards people who violate the laws and regulations of the country of residence (to live in another country with unregistered documents), as well as disregard for the pseudo-cells of society, that is, towards the pseudo-family. So, according to our laws, they are not a family. This, of course, is their business, the author writes that. But they are not actually a family - why is this woman crying that she will be evicted (not "us"), that is, random people have settled together, but he may be all right with registration and accommodation. Then why doesn't he help her? Sorry, we have not grown to European tolerance, we call a dog a dog, a man - a man, a Negro - a Negro, and violators - violators, even if they are refugees.
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    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 5 November 2015 13: 24
      +3
      Quote: mosquit
      I will explain why I myself put a minus to this article and why I consider the author a pamphleteer, moreover, “on a salary.” Article 282. Arousal of hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of human dignity


      From the first words and the rest of the text, the author expresses disregard for migrants from Ukraine and is simply cynical.


      A vulgar (to put it mildly) description of the introduction of amendments to the migration policy of the Russian Federation, although it is a question of returning to previous standards.

      Discrediting and misinformation about the work of the executive authorities of the Russian Federation.
      Denunciation, or what? As for the pseudo-cells, I completely agree with Roman. There is a legally correct term - cohabitation.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 5 November 2015 10: 30
    +3
    Finally, the freebie is over. It is clear that there are real refugees, but the majority, unfortunately, are typical representatives of the current 404 country - they all owe them constant rudeness, unwillingness to work, etc.
    1. pentarhist
      pentarhist 5 November 2015 15: 28
      0
      "The cost of a patent depends on the region.
      In Moscow, the advance on personal income tax is 4000 per month, which displays the cost of a patent in the amount of 48 rubles per year. Plus, the cost of registration.
      In the regions - less, but there are also salaries, excuse me, not Moscow.
      But, in general, the entire policy of the FMS is aimed at transplanting everyone to the patent and to the "shops" that issue it. "

      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820201#t820201
  • mosquit
    mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 33
    0
    Further...
    "Modeling conflict" - inciting hatred - justification for hatred. Associative pair “Bad” - “Good”.
    “Bad” - described above
    In order not to be accused of a certain excessive bitterness towards refugees, I will tell you another short story. In contrast, so to speak.

    "Good" - suffers from the "Bad" and from the executive authorities of the Russian Federation violating the law.
    I have a friend…
    All his life he stood in line for an apartment. Our state owed him an apartmentbecause his father, an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, died 2 months before his birth. But until his 25 years, he lived in a one-room apartment with his mother. Not enough. He grew up in it, learned, served in the army, by the way, although for obvious reasons he might not have done so. According to law. But served.

    Rumor spreading, discrediting and misinformation about the work of the executive authorities of the Russian Federation
    And for 25 years he was given a magnificent gift: they informed that since he is already 25, he is already an adult and able-bodied member of society, he is able to earn money for his own housing. And from the line he was first moved from the second hundred to the second thousand, and then removed altogether. You see, refugees were put in line.

    Well, in a circle .... Come along, We, They, concern for the budget, for the good of the state
    The fact that the FMS began a certain filtering of all who arrived was wonderful. This is timely. Firstly, it won’t get worse in terms of who came for what, and then we saw all kinds of refugees in stock. Secondly, not weak savings for the budget. Yes, a year has passed. You can already get on your feet and get off the neck of the country. With our neck, if anything.

    The author, apparently, did not change the fourth dozen (4 to a friend), he did not fill out the personal income tax declaration ...
    But those who came to sit out, and even if possible at someone else’s expense, and even earn extra money "in the dark" so that you can send more home - here it is really necessary to say goodbye to such.

    Trying to be involved in the events (we stopped - thanks to everyone (free ..)
    War actually we stopped, thanks everyonewho pulled it on their nerves.



    PS. I did not casually give a link to the Criminal Code. Such pamphlets are the essence of one information work ...
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 5 November 2015 13: 30
      +4
      Quote: mosquit



      PS. I did not casually give a link to the Criminal Code. Such pamphlets are the essence of one information work ...
      Accurately denouncing.
  • provincial
    provincial 5 November 2015 10: 37
    +1
    I agree "home brothers", you are equipping your Ukraine. According to the principle "why the heck are such relatives, I'd rather be an orphan." You will put things in order in your country, you can also visit for a week.
  • art 230
    art 230 5 November 2015 10: 40
    11
    Well, I support the author. For those who come from Ukraine, there is a desire to decide who you are? My childhood friend was born in the RSFSR in 1986, daddy him from Transcarpathia, so when he reached 17 years of age he left for permanent residence in Ukraine, changing his Russian citizenship to Ukrainian with the words Ukraine is already one foot in Europe (I walked in 2003). Having served there in the army, he came to Russia to earn money, and not one, but with a team of builders who respectively sent the earned money home and did not pay taxes, later he married a Russian citizen and took her to Ukraine and also began to send money for the hill. So years passed 7. how this porridge was brewed in Ukraine, he came with his family, he had to apply for a patent, pass an examination for knowledge of the Russian language, apply for a residence permit, etc. etc. and now, according to him, the FMS, the legislation of the Russian Federation and personally the GDP are to blame for his troubles. the situation is certainly not quite ordinary, but even by its example it is clear that the bulk of migrants from Ukraine only wants to earn money here, while not seeing their future in the Russian Federation. So it’s worth considering whether we need such migrants, but sheltered during the hostilities, and then decide where you see your future and build it with your labor. Regards.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 5 November 2015 11: 13
      +1
      changing the citizenship of the Russian Federation to the Ukrainian with the words Ukraine already has one foot in Europe (walking in my 2003 g). ..... I came with my family, I had to apply for a patent, pass an exam on the knowledge of the Russian language, ask for a residence permit, etc. etc.


      This is called - freedom of choice ... lol
  • mosquit
    mosquit 5 November 2015 10: 42
    -3
    The author does not try to analyze the activities of the executive power in the field of migration policy (whether the power is effective or not), and to suggest any constructive steps to solve the problems. The author "stupidly", "stereotyped", according to the "manual" works off his salary .... asceticising on the themes "Migrants", "Come in large numbers", "Ukraine", etc.
    Pearl - earn extra money "in the dark" so that you can send more home for a vegetable stall worker - to memoris! laughing
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 5 November 2015 10: 46
    +4
    It’s in vain that Senya made a fence and dug a ditch, so that the Ukrainians wouldn’t come back)))) otherwise all the "zombified" by Russian propaganda will come)))) It’s not a secret that under the guise of refugees, many people came to us, they were notorious at home Bandera, with slogans on social networks, and in Russia demand a special attitude towards themselves, since "Russia is the aggressor", even activists of burning people in the Odessa House of Trade Unions were wanted in Russia, but not by "competent authorities", but simply by not indifferent people.
    1. pentarhist
      pentarhist 5 November 2015 16: 12
      0
      On the border of Russia and Ukraine (specifically with LDNR) dug a 100-kilometer ditch
      http://www.rg.ru/2015/05/25/reg-ufo/granica-anons.html
      Implementation of the construction of the fence -
      Place of delivery of goods, performance of work and rendering of services Russian Federation, Rostov Region, Rostov Region, Donetsk. -
      http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ea44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0158
      100019015000171
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 5 November 2015 11: 05
    +1
    If you adhere to the Site Rules, then after monitoring all the comments of some of the chosen ones, we can confidently say that their main task of being on the site is to foster ethnic hatred and hatred.
    Simply, I was not too lazy and walked over several odious, as it seems to them, figures. At the same time, he even found that some, sitting in Perm, generate "fakes" no worse than the famous "officer's daughter". Ugh!

    I think that today at the Congress of compatriots, the GDP will give answers to the most pressing questions!
  • C2H5OH
    C2H5OH 5 November 2015 11: 15
    +5
    Quote: Belousov
    Finally, the freebie is over. It is clear that there are real refugees, but the majority, unfortunately, are typical representatives of the current 404 country - they all owe them constant rudeness, unwillingness to work, etc.


    And it's good that the freebie is over. As I understand it, boorish non-working Ukrainians surrounded you everywhere. From my acquaintances, those who went to Russia to work, they went to WORK, and by no means to offices. Come in large numbers?)))
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 5 November 2015 11: 18
    -6
    Citizens of Eastern Ukraine after 22 in February 2014 had a great historical chance to reunite with Russia.
    It didn't interest them. But in February 2014 EVERYTHING was already clear both with Ukraine and with Russia and with the standard of living and with "European integration"
    Shanets was, onet it ostentatiously set to ignore.
    Now what questions ??? You want both cowards and a cross - and in Russia without a visa and European integration and Krolcheg with Piglet ...
    Be modest in your desires ...
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 5 November 2015 12: 25
      +2
      Also noted, but did not understand why!
    2. BLOND
      BLOND 5 November 2015 12: 36
      +3
      question to Olezhik
      lost chance? For what reason? Timing not fit?
      From February 22, 2014 to what date did the deadline set ...?
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 5 November 2015 14: 19
        -5
        lost chance? For what reason? Timing not fit?


        Chance, he does not pay no advance, he only gets a chance, CHANCE!
        This is understood as February 17. The people flooded the king and all flooded ...
        Before the population of the territory of Ukraine was put a hard choice ...
        The people chose the Russian world-the ATO and Krolchega .. request
        What to talk about now?
        1. BLOND
          BLOND 5 November 2015 14: 47
          +3
          Sorry Olezhek, but you’re gonna crash
          Donbass according to your chose ATO
          1. Olezhek
            Olezhek 5 November 2015 14: 53
            -1
            Donbass according to your chose ATO


            Krolchega with Piglet Donbass also did not choose ...
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  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 5 November 2015 11: 18
    +5
    This is really inciting hatred. In my purely philistine opinion, many of the problems cited in this article are far-fetched, most visitors from Ukraine immediately get a job as soon as possible and are perfectly assimilated in society for all obvious reasons. But for some reason, the crowds of migrants from nearby Asia do not care about anyone, and that minuscule of people from Ukraine who came to Russia to us against the background of the Asian horde seriously stirred up the angry commentaries who were stretching out and reaching for the bottle of corvalol. But admit it is at least strange! And again, who needs all this and what the hell?
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 5 November 2015 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      But for some reason, the crowds of migrants from nearby Asia do not care about anyone, and that minuscule of people from Ukraine who came to us in Russia against the background of the Asian horde seriously stirred up the reveling

      This is called - translate arrows. I agree with you that the assimilation of citizens from Ukraine is faster and this is a big plus. But citizens from Central Asia are also people, and among them there are also smart guys who benefit Russia and do not require anything. But the FMS has long had to put things in order in this direction. As reflected in this article
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 5 November 2015 14: 48
        0
        Sorry, but for me Asians are better than Bandera ...
        And the Tajik janitor is more beautiful than Yarosh ...
        If not so.
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 November 2015 13: 21
      0
      Yes, God be with them with the Asians, especially our former. But the Chinese ... Wow!
  • vel1163
    vel1163 5 November 2015 11: 18
    -2
    all Slavs citizenship as soon as possible.
  • stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 5 November 2015 11: 22
    0
    The situation is twofold, and the author is completely right, and ALL opponents are in their own way, too, but until there is an OFFICIAL POSITION BY STATUS, everyone will be combed .... The merit that the FMS does not know how to act is a merit state. Something like this.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 November 2015 11: 23
    +3
    Here the author wrote that "they put refugees in the queue." But it did not occur to me that this is either rudeness of a separate person, or something else that needs to be clarified. It is better to write letters, registered with notifications about all issues. Answers should be carefully kept at home. Make a lot of photocopies from all letters. This is the beginning of defending your rights. And then - workdays according to the circumstances. To hammer and hammer, not a day without a line. To record everything, maybe something (announcements in the executive committee) to photograph. Refused at the reception --- take a paper of refusal.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 5 November 2015 11: 28
    +4
    "Now Ukrainians will be able to stay in Russia according to the general rules: no more than 90 days within six months." And this despite the fact that men under 60 from Russia are prohibited from entering Ukraine. As sycophants sit in our government, they sit. Let me remind you. I will not say in which of the 2000s, comrades with an independent party were allowed to stay in Russia for 90 days without registration. BUT! A citizen of Russia, upon arriving in another settlement (even on vacation), WAS OBLIGED TO REGISTER IN HIS COUNTRY! Within 3 days. And only about a year later, our valiant Duma and the government of the Russian Federation, realizing the insanity of the situation, equalized their citizens in rights with the citizens of Ukraine.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 5 November 2015 17: 19
      0
      About three days - a long outdated and repealed norm!
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  • pts-m
    pts-m 5 November 2015 11: 31
    +2
    The author of the article is 100% right. Otherwise, with such “refugees” we ourselves can become refugees. And we Russians have nowhere to run and no reason!
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 5 November 2015 11: 55
      +4
      And with the locals who staged the "Russian March" in Lyublino and shouting "DNR burn on fire" along the way?
      1. gunya
        gunya 5 November 2015 18: 33
        +1
        And with the locals who staged the "Russian March" in Lyublino and shouting "DNR burn on fire" along the way?

        Fools and provocateurs only give free rein.
      2. nemets
        nemets 5 November 2015 18: 54
        0
        these are Natsik liberals, such we should go through ***
  • navodchik
    navodchik 5 November 2015 11: 33
    -2
    Article minus. The author again tries to play the card - Ukrainians: suitcase - station - country 404. Why is this done? What, we do not have real refugees who fought for the VSN, have "cases" been initiated against them in Ukraine? Here is a more balanced article
    http://www.zavtra.ru/content/view/fms-romodanovskogo-nachinaet-deportatsiyu-poli
    ticheskih-bezhentsev-iz-rossii-na-ukrainu /
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 5 November 2015 14: 23
      +4
      The author again tries to play the card - the Ukrainians: the suitcase - the station - the country 404. Why it is done


      You see, it’s strange that there are millions of Ukrainians hanging out in our country who have nothing to eat at home, but at the same time Ukraine is firmly positioning Russia as the enemy No. 1.
      Tired of ...
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 November 2015 11: 44
    +8
    If we remove from "our neck" a couple of three "iconic figures" and "brilliant managers", then there will be enough money for all the refugees for their entire lives.
  • Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 5 November 2015 11: 45
    10
    The article is at least relevant. Thanks to the author. Therefore, we are discussing it so vigorously.
    Let's try to put some dots over i.
    1. When people are forced to flee from war or from the persecution of the Nazis - this is always a tragedy.
    2. We must help such people, even if we ourselves are "not in chocolate", otherwise, how will we Russians differ from Svidomo Ukrainians?
    3. Among those who came to us there are different people. Among them are not too pretty. There are those who do not ask for anything, he finds a highly paid job (70 - 100 thousand rubles) with high qualifications. There are those who really need our help (the spouse regularly gives 3 - 5 thousand rubles to such people, otherwise it cannot). And there are those who prefer not to work and exist on allowance. And some of them are also outraged that we are not helping them enough.
    4. The state is making significant efforts to equip and socialize them. And it is not just words. These are billions of rubles, amendments to the migration legislation (in the direction of "facilitating" it for refugees.
    And as a conclusion. I myself was surprised by the footage of healthy young men crossing the border against the background of the miners' words "when the miners get up, everyone else will lie down." Last year I decided to analyze for myself how many men took up arms in internal conflicts. I did it: in Chechnya 6-7,5%, in Karabakh, Transnistria - 3-4,5%. In the DLNR, it turned out less than one percent.
    1. pentarhist
      pentarhist 5 November 2015 15: 24
      +1
      "The cost of a patent depends on the region.
      In Moscow, the advance on personal income tax is 4000 per month, which displays the cost of a patent in the amount of 48 rubles per year. Plus, the cost of registration.
      In the regions - less, but there are also salaries, excuse me, not Moscow.
      But, in general, the entire policy of the FMS is aimed at transplanting everyone to the patent and to the "shops" that issue it. "

      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820201#t820201
    2. Rubs
      Rubs 6 November 2015 01: 33
      +3
      soldier2 "not to work and exist on welfare"

      Among us come in a lot of freaks. I confirm.
      I myself work and managed to look around for a year and a half. I have not tried to live without work and I do not want to start. But I wonder where in Russia they give benefits to anyone?
      I believe that this is a popular myth and personally not fixed by anyone.
      I myself didn’t get a penny. And I don’t know those. There was a box of humanitarian aid. Soap, cereals, canned goods ... I came in handy. Thank. I know people did the surgery at the expense of the district.
      Administratively helped great. Now we sail ourselves. Forward to citizenship. But here everything is sour. I wish I was from Uzbekistan.
  • Skhidnyak
    Skhidnyak 5 November 2015 11: 46
    14
    Hello everyone!
    For example, I think this decision is correct.
    I will explain why. As a resident of Lugansk, I understand those who left the LPR and the DPR. Few people want to die, to see the death of loved ones, acquaintances, and in general people, especially children. But the inhabitants of other territories ... What threatened them? Moreover, with their tacit consent, they burned in Odessa, shot from aircraft in Lugansk. In this regard, I have personal reasons to hate them. Many went to sit. Oh, they don’t like those here.
    Now about work. Many would be happy to work at home. But where? And, if there is work, it is very difficult for these enterprises. There is practically nowhere to buy materials and components. In Ukraine? So try to buy it again - either they don’t sell it, or it is impossible to bring it, but if you carry it, you will pay that kind of money at the checkpoints. In Russia? So, too, problems above the roof. Both with registration (especially if the enterprise is registered only in the republics), and with customs.
    Well, something like this. Sorry for the confusion. I would like to say a lot, but ... Thank you.
    1. mac_boot
      mac_boot 5 November 2015 14: 46
      +3
      But there are, and I think there are quite a few, residents of Ukraine (not necessarily residents of Donbass), who now just save their lives and freedom in Russia, who took their families out and fights in the Donbass, who, through their activities, made their stay in Ukraine impossible, whose people SBU is waiting to hide in the basement. How to deal with them? who will determine whom to deport and whom to leave?
      1. pentarhist
        pentarhist 5 November 2015 15: 22
        -4
        FMS Romodanovsky begins deportation of political refugees from Russia to Ukraine.
        http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/97043.html
        1. Anchonsha
          Anchonsha 5 November 2015 17: 49
          +1
          Is it not by chance that you, mister good, Romodanovsky identified your relatives who are not suitable as refugees, and even less so as political refugees?
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 5 November 2015 23: 52
      +1
      But the inhabitants of other territories ... What threatened them? Moreover, with their tacit consent, they burned in Odessa, shot from aircraft in Lugansk.

      I agree with your point of view.
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  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 November 2015 11: 58
    +6
    The topic is very large and a lot planned. OR dry on the basis of documents or as a work of art - the emotions you saw, heard, your thoughts. The topic is very big and difficult. And I also think that those refugees who have everything worked out are not visible and do not notify anyone about it.
    There were articles, (or TV) how entire brigades or a children's theater left. I wonder how their fates happened? Many peoples live in Russia together. Many people find their second Motherland.
    Good luck everyone!
  • Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 5 November 2015 12: 12
    0
    I still do not understand: what is the zi zhrada overload?
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 5 November 2015 17: 23
      +1
      Ce discussion and expression of opinions. And for those who come to sit out for free - it’s undoubtedly a hassle.