"" Polite people "and VKS pilots in the Syrian sky, we are obliged, including Serdyukov"

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I decided to write an article that would provoke the anger of both the “kremlebotov” and the “fifth column”. I want to play the role of a “devil's advocate” for a person who is hated by both those and those - Anatoly Serdyukov.

"" Polite people "and VKS pilots in the Syrian sky, we are obliged, including Serdyukov"


So, yesterday Serdyukov was again widely heard, as he was appointed to Rostec, which caused outrage among absolutely all political forces.

I am not (not) an exception. If you look through my FB in the years when he was a minister, then you will immediately see that I have repeatedly published over critical articles about him.

But let's analyze his actions without unnecessary emotions. So Serdyukov became Minister of Defense in 2007. A year later, our army 08.08.08 barely managed to win the war against Georgia. If it were not for the heroism of the peacekeepers and militias in Tskhinval, if not for the operational and coordinated actions of the Pskov paratrooper and the Chechen battalion "Vostok", then the Georgians could have reached the Roki tunnel and won their operation "Clean Field".

In that war, an obese 58 Army commander was wounded, as he rushed to Tskhinval on the Volga almost without cover and was ambushed, in which several of our guys posthumously became “Heroes of Russia”, covering up the journalists who were to cover the victorious entry of the general to the capital of South Ossetia.

In the war, Russia also lost including the Tu-22MR, as the commander-in-chief of the Air Force, who, according to sources, commanded the war on an ordinary cell phone, sent the plane intended for bombardment from high altitudes to reconnaissance at low altitudes.

This was our army in 2008 when Serdyukov arrived. He left in November 2012-th, and in February 2014-th, that is, after just 15 months, the world appeared "Polite People" and the Russian army, which NATO recognizes more than all the European armies combined.

Either we now believe that “Serdyukov ruined the army”, and Shoigu, in a little over a year, brought it to an unprecedented level of training and combat capability, or we realize that such processes are not done so quickly, and, therefore, “Polite people” and fashionable pilots VKS in the Syrian sky, we are obliged, including Serdyukovskim reforms.

Already after Serdyukov’s resignation, he read an article (unfortunately, I cannot find it now) that he did the impossible with the Defense Ministry - he cleaned the department from the generals, who were used to the fact that the soldiers were free labor for the construction of summer cottages. He spent huge federal money on actual bribes to transfer the sons of the generals, who did not know anything about the art of war, to other non-military posts, in order to leave real professionals in the Ministry of Defense.

He demanded that the military-industrial complex justify its prices, and produce new types of weapons, while the generals, accustomed to kickbacks and the “hand washes” scheme, did not want to change with the era.

In this regard, the generals and the military-industrial complex, whose usual muddy charter Serdyukov destroyed, hated him, and constantly shared this with the press.

There were a lot of mistakes in his reforms - for example, the abandonment of the Cadets at the Victory Parades, and of course the poet Vasilieva.

But in general, Serdyukov received those still Augean stables, clearing them up, and having pretty much smeared shit, he became a whipping boy, giving way to the real hero and public favorite Shoigu.

But everyone who understands the slowness and slowness of such a colossus as the Russian Army cannot but understand that without Serdyuk reforms there would be no “Polite People”, the Crimea, Syria, etc.

Putin understands this, and, apparently, for those services to Russia (about which textbooks will never be written stories) and allows the former minister to now get a normal position in the state corporation.

But if you think and analyze. And if you just do at least a pro-Kremlin, even a pro-liberal populism, then, naturally, you have to shout, be indignant and indignant.
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  2. 0
    2 November 2015 15: 56
    Somehow it all comes together. Bees, honey, and nails. Women, B..i and wine.
    1. 0
      2 November 2015 16: 47
      Is it really different in life?
  3. +1
    2 November 2015 16: 20
    Nothing has changed since then
  4. +4
    2 November 2015 16: 31
    think something like this
  5. +2
    2 November 2015 16: 39
    I read with attention and this is what I understood. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong, and, paradoxically, everyone is too. Now, if everyone... Forum users understood one simple truth, no one would break copies here. It’s just that no one takes into account the rules of the game for all of us. It consists, it seems to me, in the following. VVP, in conditions of severe time pressure and staff shortages, temporarily proposed a simple rule - you can steal (within the limits of what is permitted), you can spit on the laws (in the name of the cause), BUT! You complete the assigned task, do what I told you and you will have an indulgence for all your sins. But if you fail, then you are finished. I hope there is no need to give examples?
  6. 0
    2 November 2015 16: 42
    The article is crazy... and it’s sad that there are a lot of crazy comments in support. The idea that this was a cunning plan for “de-Furnitureization” is as absurd as the idea that Taburetkin personally stole all the property, and Putin saw everything, but calculated 150 moves ahead, although the idea itself is pleasantly warming...

    As for our army - this thing is made very well, not a single Field Furniture can break this!
  7. 0
    2 November 2015 16: 46
    Is this the official point of view or speculation? On the other hand, everything is still just beginning.
    1. +3
      2 November 2015 16: 53
      The article, in my opinion, is not speculation, and certainly not an official point of view. It’s just an article with the author’s point of view. But judging by the comments, give people either everything pink and fluffy, or all the black stuff... Most of the halftones are not categorically accepted)))
  8. -1
    2 November 2015 16: 48
    ...your division
  9. 0
    2 November 2015 16: 51
    Quote: arnulla
    Sorry, but essentially the author of the article is right. Think logically... But Serdyukov’s mistakes cannot be avoided. In general, everything, as in life, is never just black and white.


    In the Army, everything must be clearly defined, where is black and where is white. Without halftones, without any "shades of gray". Extremely clear, clear and honest. A thief, an enemy and a scoundrel cannot be a little or half a friend or foe.
    1. +2
      2 November 2015 18: 41
      You see, there is your desire, as it should be, but there is reality. Which may differ from your desires. Whether you like it or not... If you do not agree with the author, refute his words with reason. It is easiest to throw around slogans.
  10. +1
    2 November 2015 16: 55
    The author wrote a custom article. To everyone who is crying for Serdyukov, we can return him to an honest, incorruptible, unfairly offended secret employee who is saving Russia, and what about the whole world. Well, gentlemen, the liberals began to continue to wash this s..b. but they can’t wash it white.
  11. 0
    2 November 2015 17: 11
    So, Serdyukov became Minister of Defense in 2007. A year later, on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, our army was barely able to win the war against Georgia. If it were not for the heroism of the peacekeepers and militia in Tskhinvali, if not for the prompt and coordinated actions of the Pskov landing force and the Chechen Vostok battalion, then the Georgians could well have reached the Roki tunnel and won their “Clean Field” operation.

    Well, what is his merit? The campaign was “pulled out” by ordinary soldiers with their sweat and blood, in complete chaos in the Defense Ministry and General Staff.
    He left in November 2012, and in February 2014, that is, after just 15 months, the “Polite People” and the Russian army appeared to the world, which NATO recognizes as stronger than all the armies of Europe combined.

    Well, here the Stool is definitely out of business. With the same imagination, we can argue that we owe victory in the Second World War to Trotsky.
    And it seems to me that the author’s last name is not Chopov but Lizapopov. And the website where this article was published is foul-smelling.
  12. 0
    2 November 2015 17: 21
    The article was written by a person who did not serve under Serdyukov and does not serve after him.
    You, comrade author, would be better off expressing your fabrications in the kitchen.
    Shoigu is a hard worker of all kinds, Serdyukov is a thief, of whom there are a dime a dozen.
    The fact that the real army is what it is is not thanks to Serdyukov, but in spite of him.
    And leave these cries about soldiers dying during the construction of the general’s dachas for our liberals, maybe they’ll give you some kind of grant for this.
    And he knew the commander of that same army personally - a rare thing, although the same Serdyukov hung the order on his chest and hung it on his well-deserved chest.
    And there is no need to repeat like a mantra about the alleged dispersal of the Arbat Military District and all the general’s sons; I personally saw how it was because of Serdyukov’s “reforms” that real military officers left the army, those few who still remembered the Soviet army, who really could was to study who was not riddled with the dead 90s.
  13. 0
    2 November 2015 17: 24
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    Serdyukov, according to the author, “received those Augean stables

    The order was fulfilled. The little green men are ready. Weapons have become cheaper. And others. But - he got dirty and dirty. His path is not the most direct in the corrupt environment that he did not create. To live with wolves, howl like a wolf. And also Vasilyeva, a heartbreaker(?). She broke wood and grabbed money. And what more in the end? Benefit or ruin? The author gave the answer....
  14. +1
    2 November 2015 17: 59
    Serdyukov - "Generalissimo". How much did Chopov get paid for Seryukovism? The cook controls the armed forces of such a big power. Hero, and that's all. It is you, Mr. Chopov, who can hammer out your thoughts about Serdyukovism to babies, they may listen, but they will not understand. "Talent"!!!!!
  15. 0
    2 November 2015 18: 13
    Not so long ago there was a similar article about Vasilyeva. Now about the stool. And, news, he has a new assignment. Well, we need to somehow justify him, so now they have begun to attribute to him a *hero-martyr-builder-genius*.
    I have a feeling that something will soon happen to her too.
  16. 0
    2 November 2015 18: 44
    There is “thanks to Serdyukov”, and there is “despite Serdyukov”. Well, I couldn't break it. They did it well in the USSR.
  17. -1
    2 November 2015 18: 47
    Please note - the vast majority of comments are against the Serdyukov-Vasilievites, and they have more advantages under the article, how does the military review do this? And suddenly there are a lot of pluses on some of the most odious (Serdyukov’s) comments. This is not the first time I have seen such strange statistics in such an article. Hey moderators..
    1. -1
      2 November 2015 21: 09
      How famously you labeled people...
  18. 0
    2 November 2015 18: 55
    The rating of the article is phenomenal, I haven’t seen anything like this for a long time :)
  19. 0
    2 November 2015 20: 41
    This is understood by Putin, and, apparently, for those services to Russia (which history books will never write about) and makes it possible for the former minister to get a normal position in the state corporation.

    He covers his destroyer.
    And this is not the first time. Suffice it to recall the various graphs. zurabovs and other fursenok. I almost forgot Chubais. Vile article without any evidence.
  20. DHA
    +1
    2 November 2015 22: 23
    Not everything is so simple here, we only know what is on the surface, who moves it (moves it) and for what purpose, I think we will never find out.
    1. +1
      3 November 2015 10: 29
      Quote: DHA
      Not everything is so simple here, we only know what is on the surface, who moves it (moves it) and for what purpose, I think we will never find out.


      Absolutely right. From the sofa you can't see beyond the slippers.
  21. -1
    2 November 2015 22: 29
    Quote: MVG
    Because the principles of warfare have changed. This has been perfectly proven by missile launches from the Caspian to Syria. But. What we see now is calculated 5-7 years ago. Calculation always gives a direction in which direction it is necessary to develop. Armadas of aircraft and tanks are a thing of the past. High-precision weapons are now entering the scene.

    My friend, high-precision weapons, so to speak, are not yet a relic, but they are no longer a novelty, the future lies in electronic warfare, and fortunately we are leaders in this area.
    And regarding Taburetkin, I already wrote in another topic and immediately received a bunch of minuses, although I did not assert anything, but focused on one interesting version that, in my opinion, has a place to be. So I will refrain here))))
  22. +1
    2 November 2015 22: 40
    Should I repeat myself? Okay, I won't break. It’s like you need to disrespect yourself, so that in order to fire snickers, you need to put a thief over them what
    Well, for that matter, when did the same General Makarov, Nikolai Yegorych, give out his pearls about the T-72 and Leopards? And who was awarded the “Hero of Russia” in 2012, suddenly, for the “disastrous” 08.08.08. belay
    So who is the sergeant-major out of the army?
  23. 0
    2 November 2015 22: 45
    It feels like the author was away for a long time, but now he has arrived and decided to rehabilitate the former minister. For the long-absent author, I inform you that after the not entirely successful (as the author correctly noted) operation to liberate South Ossetia, the threat from even small states and the need for urgent reforms clearly became apparent to the country’s leadership. For this purpose, an undoubtedly smart organizer was appointed - Shoigu, who managed to bring the armed forces to a more or less decent (I won’t say normal, because I don’t know) condition in a short period of time.
  24. +1
    2 November 2015 22: 50
    No need about Serdyukov...and about Vasilyeva. For several years I was a non-staff investigator in my unit and annually did an internship in the military investigative department or in the military prosecutor's office of the district. I won’t go into details...but the leadership of the Moscow Region by Serdyukov and his campaign is our horror and shame!!! We don’t need people like that at the head of the War Ministry...
  25. +2
    2 November 2015 23: 28
    Quote from comprochikos
    Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out. Brains were powdered to the West, like everything is bad with us. And then bang, get and sign, adversaries. Therefore, he does not sit yet, he did his job and he left

    We have such screens as a car and a trolley Yakunin from Russian Railways Serdyukov from the Moscow Region Gazprom with offshore companies is not a country, but a screen, or rather a cover-up campaign for complete dismantling
  26. +1
    2 November 2015 23: 38
    Brad. You just had to want it and everything could have been done much better. At one time, some people said this: “if this is not done, then you won’t have time to get the spoon to your mouth before you’re in the ground.”
  27. +1
    3 November 2015 01: 27
    Just because Taburetkin destroyed a number of military schools, including such as the Ryazan Airborne School, the Kachinsky Pilot School, and the Irkutsk Imperial Military School, it’s not enough to hang him!
    The special forces regiments were abolished and disbanded!
    He expelled two academies from Moscow, named after. Gagarin and them. Zhukovsky, drove them into the border region directly adjacent to Ukraine. With this, he dispersed most of the oldest teachers who had families, children, grandchildren in Moscow... The rest were herded like prisoners of war to the Voronezh ATU - no housing, no... The teaching staff were placed together with cadets exiled from the aviation technical department. schools
    This is not a minister, this is a Bandera member SERDIUK!
    The author of the custom article went crazy!
  28. +1
    3 November 2015 04: 28
    Keep kissing Serdyukov's soft spot!!! Logistics support ceased to exist under him, so it still doesn’t exist!!!
  29. +1
    3 November 2015 06: 11
    Quote: nva8
    the exercises in their current form began under Serdyukov, the State Defense Order, which is now entering the military, also under him, wages have grown and become differentiated (whoever works, eats), I especially support his decision to withdraw the Higher Educational Institutions from the subordination of the commanders, the left ballast immediately left the teaching cells, Now everything has been returned, including the ballast.
    Any structural changes lead to the loss of qualified personnel; remember the reduction of the army after the war or ’56.
    I doubt that a military man would be able to thwart such a structure as the Ministry of Defense

    Are you talking about the exercises that only began under Serdyukov? Come on! In the Siberian Military District, the combined arms formation in which I had the opportunity to serve in 2002 and 2004 conducted an exercise with redeployment to the Tsugol training ground! I’m not talking about annual tactical exercises with reinforcement means. Everything was growing not because Mr. S. was at the helm, but everything depended on state funding of the military budget. And believe me, he had no merit in this. Anyone who served during his “reign” remembers what it was like. And they won’t put you in combat positions in Moscow because everyone is being laid off, lieutenants were already fired from school in 2009 and 2010!!!! Houses for laid-off military personnel in such built in places where Makar didn’t chase calves! So if you don’t know the ford, don’t stick your nose into the water!
  30. +4
    3 November 2015 09: 43
    There was already a similar article on “whitewashing”, where the author generally tried to inflate “James Bond” passions - they say he had such a job, “Augean stables”, a “secret” mission, and also wrote that he also did not like Serdyukov, but now he will try to “objectively” evaluate everything and so on. belay
    The article evokes a persistent “de jà vu”. Maybe the author is the same under a different pseudonym. wink
    1. +2
      3 November 2015 13: 42
      O! Did the author of the article with a minus arrive or the “Furniture Man” himself? laughing
      P.S. I agree with the person who wrote that this article does not lend itself to analysis. For me, this is generally the level of a school essay, a good one, but an essay.
  31. +2
    3 November 2015 09: 56
    Under Serdyukov, money flowed into the army. Period. What his merit is, I don’t know. It’s scary to imagine how much was stolen along the way. The damage caused to them will reverberate for a long time.
  32. +3
    3 November 2015 10: 06
    I didn’t read the entire thread, but the author forgot to add that Serdyukov also taught pilots to fly, built academies for them to study and developed modern aircraft. I am pleased to give the article a MINUS.
    1. +2
      3 November 2015 13: 45
      Along the way, you also received a minus from the author of this essay. I corrected your karma as best I could wink
  33. +2
    3 November 2015 10: 41
    Probably, everyone who got smeared in “shit” didn’t just get smeared like that, they knew why! 1 good deed does not negate all evil ones...
  34. +2
    3 November 2015 14: 37
    just a conversation about decency and honesty, without which public service is unthinkable. And under Serdyukov, the collapse was and remains the same... They won thanks to Ivanov’s dedication.
  35. +2
    3 November 2015 14: 41
    Quote from comprochikos
    Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out. Brains were powdered to the West, like everything is bad with us. And then bang, get and sign, adversaries. Therefore, he does not sit yet, he did his job and he left

    ChuBaks is probably also preparing something spectacular for us? Super-duper nanotechnology that will make everyone go nuts?
  36. win
    +3
    3 November 2015 15: 00
    How much was stolen... - it’s scary to imagine


    - Could you ask Serdyukov in a new place? steal slightly less?
    - We don't have less
  37. T62
    +1
    3 November 2015 16: 28
    sent a plane designed for bombing from high altitudes on reconnaissance


    I am a tanker, but even I know that the letter P on an aircraft type means reconnaissance aircraft. The Tu -22MR is a reconnaissance aircraft and is not intended for bombing. http://aviaros.narod.ru/tu-22mr.htm
  38. +2
    3 November 2015 19: 17
    I “like” articles like this. negative
    Such stuffing can justify any pervert. negative
    Let's justify Gorbachev - after all, he changed our country. request
    Honestly, it was difficult to find censorship words. fool
    And after the author’s words, there is nothing in my soul except swearing - Cossack guy, who paid you the money? angry
  39. 0
    3 November 2015 20: 36
    What a Tu-22MR, reconnaissance from low altitudes, what nonsense. Allocate money from the federal budget for Submarines in the steppes of Ukraine.
  40. 0
    4 November 2015 07: 20
    This is a link to an article on V. Barants' blog. Quite well written!!
    http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2125404/post375845066/
  41. 0
    4 November 2015 15: 06
    Solidarity with comrades