"" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"

I decided to write an article that would provoke the anger of both the “kremlebotov” and the “fifth column”. I want to play the role of a “devil's advocate” for a person who is hated by both those and those - Anatoly Serdyukov.


"" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"


So, yesterday Serdyukov was again widely heard, as he was appointed to Rostec, which caused outrage among absolutely all political forces.

I am not (not) an exception. If you look through my FB in the years when he was a minister, then you will immediately see that I have repeatedly published over critical articles about him.

But let's analyze his actions without unnecessary emotions. So Serdyukov became Minister of Defense in 2007. A year later, our army 08.08.08 barely managed to win the war against Georgia. If it were not for the heroism of the peacekeepers and militias in Tskhinval, if not for the operational and coordinated actions of the Pskov paratrooper and the Chechen battalion "Vostok", then the Georgians could have reached the Roki tunnel and won their operation "Clean Field".

In that war, an obese 58 Army commander was wounded, as he rushed to Tskhinval on the Volga almost without cover and was ambushed, in which several of our guys posthumously became “Heroes of Russia”, covering up the journalists who were to cover the victorious entry of the general to the capital of South Ossetia.

In the war, Russia also lost including the Tu-22MR, as the commander-in-chief of the Air Force, who, according to sources, commanded the war on an ordinary cell phone, sent the plane intended for bombardment from high altitudes to reconnaissance at low altitudes.

This was our army in 2008 when Serdyukov arrived. He left in November 2012-th, and in February 2014-th, that is, after just 15 months, the world appeared "Polite People" and the Russian army, which NATO recognizes more than all the European armies combined.

Either we now believe that “Serdyukov ruined the army”, and Shoigu, in a little over a year, brought it to an unprecedented level of training and combat capability, or we realize that such processes are not done so quickly, and, therefore, “Polite people” and fashionable pilots VKS in the Syrian sky, we are obliged, including Serdyukovskim reforms.

Already after Serdyukov’s resignation, he read an article (unfortunately, I cannot find it now) that he did the impossible with the Defense Ministry - he cleaned the department from the generals, who were used to the fact that the soldiers were free labor for the construction of summer cottages. He spent huge federal money on actual bribes to transfer the sons of the generals, who did not know anything about the art of war, to other non-military posts, in order to leave real professionals in the Ministry of Defense.

He demanded that the military-industrial complex justify its prices, and produce new types of weapons, while the generals, accustomed to kickbacks and the “hand washes” scheme, did not want to change with the era.

In this regard, the generals and the military-industrial complex, whose usual muddy charter Serdyukov destroyed, hated him, and constantly shared this with the press.

There were a lot of mistakes in his reforms - for example, the abandonment of the Cadets at the Victory Parades, and of course the poet Vasilieva.

But in general, Serdyukov received those still Augean stables, clearing them up, and having pretty much smeared shit, he became a whipping boy, giving way to the real hero and public favorite Shoigu.

But everyone who understands the slowness and slowness of such a colossus as the Russian Army cannot but understand that without Serdyuk reforms there would be no “Polite People”, the Crimea, Syria, etc.

Putin understands this, and, apparently, for those services to Russia (about which textbooks will never be written stories) and allows the former minister to now get a normal position in the state corporation.

But if you think and analyze. And if you just do at least a pro-Kremlin, even a pro-liberal populism, then, naturally, you have to shout, be indignant and indignant.
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  1. Hammer 2 November 2015 05: 27 New
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    So the first went
    1. Andrey Yuryevich 2 November 2015 05: 53 New
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      "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"
      in short, Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, pay for the Syrian campaign of stolen money! here at whose expense "banquet"! (the author sincerely pleased)
      1. subbtin.725 2 November 2015 07: 12 New
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        It’s time to write an icon. And the “talented” poetess Vasilyev will be painted.
        1. Letun 2 November 2015 07: 22 New
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          She will also sing a hymn and dance in slippers wink
          1. Eugene-Eugene 2 November 2015 09: 20 New
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            Suppose that Serdyukov, according to the author, "got those still Augean stables, clearing that, and pretty smeared with shit, he became a whipping boy." So, what is next? For the people, it has become a symbol of corruption. The public, at best, does not want to see and hear it. So why move it again through the service hierarchy? Is he so indispensable? Throw and forget, there are a lot of more capable people with a spotless reputation.
            1. Mahmut 2 November 2015 09: 39 New
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              A year later, 08.08.08 our army was barely able to win the war against Georgia

              Well, firstly, defeating the state’s army in 5 days is not barely possible.
              Secondly, not our army, but just a military district, developed and implemented this military company, and in a very limited time. Hence the errors. The General Staff, on these days, by pure coincidence, was moving.
              1. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 10: 05 New
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                Quote: Mahmut
                Secondly, not our army, but just a military district, developed and implemented this military company, and in a very limited time.

                Here it is not necessary about "developed in a limited time." Plans for such an operation should have been in the district since the moment the peacekeepers were introduced. And there were these plans: if anyone does not remember, just before 08.08.08 the next Kavkaz-2008 exercises ended, on which the actions of the district were worked out in case of an attack on peacekeepers in South Ossetia.
                Second, the just a military district had 2 combat ready (according to documents) divisions - out of 5 available in all ground forces. And he got the gain - Airborne Forces, Air Force, Black Sea Fleet.

                Moreover, the aggravation of the situation around Tskhinvali was well known a week before the start of the fighting.
                1. Azitral 2 November 2015 10: 16 New
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                  Did not fight, no? So in the war 08.08.08 the level of mess was minimal. The operation was quite worthy, and there are only parades to the music, in orderly rows, and without casualties. Smart Germans were still wary, noting the speed of reaction and the level of organization of actions. This staff continued to laugh. Let them continue on. It would be good.
                  1. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 10: 25 New
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                    Quote: Azitral
                    Did not fight, no? So in the war 08.08.08 the level of mess was minimal. The operation was quite worthy, and there are only parades to the music, in orderly rows, and without casualties.

                    Yeah ... the commander who was wounded in an ambush, the downed DA reconnaissance reconnaissance unit, half of the downed Su-25s were on their own conscience, working for two days directly on the enemy’s advanced radar station ... a minimal mess.
                    And I still don’t remember what the army fought on. "Bald" T-62 (without Ilyich's eyebrows and DZ), BMP-1 without ATGMs, ATGMs themselves with expired terms, "cast iron" dumped by the Air Force. And the invariable "form number 8" on the military, including even the trophy.
                    We were very lucky that the Georgians got into opponents.
                    1. biznaw 2 November 2015 10: 45 New
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                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      We were very lucky that the Georgians got into opponents.


                      If instead of a Georgian polyphonic choir there would be performers of American folk songs, the result would be the same. Since the plans and actual leadership were carried out by American military experts. Planning is one thing - smoothly on paper, and there are ravines - this is the nature of the soldiers. After naval bombardment with Genocides and infantry combat with soldiers shod in rubber Chinese sneakers, the Georgians would flee faster than the Georgians fleeing towards the Canadian border
                      1. Baikonur 2 November 2015 11: 27 New
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                        we are obliged, including Serdyukov


                        In gives author-Cossack!
                      2. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 11: 44 New
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                        Quote: Baikonur
                        In gives author-Cossack!

                        Well, the author proved about the Kremlin boats and the fifth column .. laughing
                        Hold my plus buddy ..
                      3. podpolkovnik 2 November 2015 12: 22 New
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                        In that war, Russia also lost, including the Tu-22MR, since the Air Force Commander-in-Chief, ... poisoned a plane intended for bombing from high altitudes, exploration at low altitudes.

                        Is everything normal with my eyesight?
                      4. Company 2 November 2015 15: 55 New
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                        In-in, and the letter P says that this is a scout.
                  2. Dormidont2 2 November 2015 12: 10 New
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                    It remains to declare Khodorkovsky Putin's successor laughing this, thanks to Hodor of the Russian Federation, increased oil sales, at one time
                  3. Good me 2 November 2015 12: 47 New
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                    Quote: Baikonur
                    In gives author-Cossack!


                    Once such a "compote", then, to top it off, "CHERRY ON CAKE". So that the plebs remembered, and was not forgotten, WHOM the “loaf of bread crumbles”, criticizing in one way or another what is connected with Serdyukovism ...

                    02.11.2015, 12: 14
                    The head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, commented on the appointment of former Russian defense minister Anatoly Serdyukov to the post of industrial director for the aviation industry at Rostec state corporation.

                    According to Ivanov, the Kremlin learned about the appointment of Serdyukov from the media yes yes yes (people hawala). "Neither the prosecutor’s office, nor the judiciary have any complaints against him, but there is no trial fellow », - RIA Novosti quotes a statement by the head of the presidential administration.

                    https://russian.rt.com/article/127354

                    Mock, male, to white ... Kennel am

                    At least, I wouldn’t mention the authorities that MUST ensure the rule of law in this situation, shameful for the Kremlin ...
                2. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 12: 27 New
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                  Quote: biznaw
                  Planning is one thing - smoothly on paper, and there are ravines - this is the nature of the soldiers. After naval bombardment with Genocides and infantry combat with soldiers shod in rubber Chinese sneakers, the Georgians would flee faster than the Georgians fleeing towards the Canadian border

                  What genocides come from? BTG in Georgia had a maximum - "Acacia" and "Sled" with "Nona". Even “Msta” - and that did not light up.

                  Hat-hopping doesn’t lead to good ... and the mantras about “fighting spirit”, “soldiers' character” and “pampered Yankees” last time ended for their fans with “special troops” and mushrooms over the cities.
            2. max15243 2 November 2015 11: 01 New
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              That's just the food was completely forgotten, they didn’t give out sukhpai, they didn’t organize field kitchens. On the third day, the staff was crawling through the gardens, since the month of August was good, in those parts only the lazy ones would die of hunger at that time.
          2. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 11: 46 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            Secondly, only the military district had 2 combat-ready (according to documents) divisions - out of 5 available in all ground forces. And he got the gain - Airborne Forces, Air Force, Black Sea Fleet.

            In short, as always - the Russian team won
            1. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 12: 57 New
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              Quote: afdjhbn67
              In short, as always - the Russian team won

              This is yes.

              I just wish that instead of a hodgepodge from all over the air traffic police, units and formations of the okrug would be at war - which, according to all the okrug’s reports, was quite enough then. And in fact the divisions in 2008 could put up a maximum of 3 BTG.
        2. comprochikos 2 November 2015 10: 26 New
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          Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out. Brains were powdered to the West, like everything is bad with us. And then bang, get and sign, adversaries. Therefore, he does not sit yet, he did his job and he left
          1. Good me 2 November 2015 11: 13 New
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            Quote: comprochikos
            Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out.


            And yet, Vasilyeva, behind this screen, almost a "stone mountain", kept her favorite red slippers ...

            Comfortable, such, SCREEN ...
            1. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 11: 39 New
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              Quote: Good I
              Comfortable, such, SCREEN ...

              In the meantime, the West fooled the West with the help of Serdyukov .. The CIA, MOSSAD, BND and so forth dismissed their agents on vacation ... a strong argument of supporters ... Serdyukov laughing
              1. tomket 2 November 2015 12: 36 New
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                Quote: afdjhbn67
                etc. disbanded their agents on vacation ... a strong argument of supporters ... Serdyukov

                Anyway, everything became pacifists there)))) the army dismissed))))
          2. tomket 2 November 2015 12: 35 New
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            Quote: comprochikos
            Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out

            Tricky iPhone Wanderer Plan?
            Quote: comprochikos
            Brains were powdered to the West, like everything is bad with us.

            Well yes. everything is shitty, they bought a breakthrough t-72БЗ that would use the West to powder their brains ....
            Quote: comprochikos
            And then bang, get and sign, adversaries

            And then bang, get it! how were t-72 bz remained! tremble West !!!!
            1. Independent 2 November 2015 15: 17 New
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              Sly plan

              You can add to your list the closure of military schools in order to sell the land on which they were located - the result - they disappeared for several years and the military specialists were not trained, old personnel are working. The closure and destruction of airfields. Oh, how much you can add to this list. It still comes around. Until now, bread has been transported to our part for 300 km, although there are 2 bakeries in the city. "Slav", damn it, does not want to die.
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                I would also like to recall the words of one of the leaders of the Air Force, after a series of air crashes of military aircraft, which is the main reason for these disasters, is the destruction of the training system of technical personnel and everything else related to the maintenance of military aircraft. We have this article in the archives of VO. And who did all this? The "comrade" who was shoved into Rostec and which will be engaged in the privatization of defense enterprises, which, by "pure chance", was transferred there along with the appointment of this pepper (THIEF). Not bad, he will invite his whole harem and continue the “usual way of life”. A thief on a thief and a thief drives. Nothing changes with us. They divided industry, wells, and hang noodles for people about integrity and non-possession. The last trust after such statues evaporates, you better not write anything at all, people still know how you rake in there, but at least you would not be hypocritical.
          3. Independent 2 November 2015 15: 06 New
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            Quote: comprochikos
            Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out. Brains were powdered to the West, like everything is bad with us. And then bang, get and sign, adversaries. Therefore, he does not sit yet, he did his job and he left

            Not naive yet.
            1. ancient 2 November 2015 18: 22 New
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              Quote: Independent
              Not naive yet.


              Well ... they aren’t such ... naive ... they need to save .. the "owner" is necessary .. although why save him .. he is unsinkable like an aircraft carrier wink ..with such a rating .. how much already ..99%? wassat
          4. dmi.pris 2 November 2015 21: 02 New
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            Wow ... A terrible MILITARY SECRET has opened ... In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation there are such troops .. they don’t even give out machine guns .. (but no, not a battalion) -CORRUPTION ..
            Quote: comprochikos
            Serdyukov was just a well-designed screen under which military reform was carried out. Brains were powdered to the West, like everything is bad with us. And then bang, get and sign, adversaries. Therefore, he does not sit yet, he did his job and he left
        3. seos 2 November 2015 14: 16 New
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          During the “rout” a huge number of tactical and strategic errors were made, resulting in losses in the country's technology and image. In my opinion, the main mistake was greed ... they tried to win with minimal financial costs, using expired and outdated ammunition and weapons ... if they had wedged cluster bombs on the advancing waxes, then the war would have ended not in 5 days, but in 5 minutes.
      2. Asadullah 2 November 2015 10: 25 New
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        For the people, it has become a symbol of corruption.


        And what did he corrupt there? Vasilieva? Frankly, her financial situation corresponds to the position of the head of the operational department of which Moscow police department. At the very same Serdyukov declared property is very modest. There is a suspicion of a son, relatives? Probably something is, but not in such quantities that may surprise and interest.

        As for army affairs, one must realize what the Russian army represented before Serdyukov. It was a huge clumsy bureaucratic machine, devouring huge budget funds for other purposes. It was his task to remove everything superfluous, everything that interferes with combat effectiveness. He completed the task. Perhaps rude, awkward, not particularly ceremonious with the highest command staff. Yes, without ceremony, I was just watching stripy fat grandfathers, with red faces from anger, running around with bypass sheets. I watched with pleasure.

        A separate issue of the military industrial complex, namely under Serdyukov, was the rule to exclude offshore zones from the work of defense enterprises. Somehow it does not fit with the image of a corrupt official. For this, squealing walkers the whole year besieged the Kremlin, predicting the collapse of enterprises. But they didn’t fall apart somehow .... Yes, Serdyukov was an unpleasant person and was cut by a leader who left a lot of unpleasant impressions, but he reminds me more of a surgeon who had surgery without anesthesia, anesthesia is now expensive. It was painful, but everything healed quickly and nothing was inflamed.

        Enraged by his new appointment? But he is a team man, and only solves the assigned tasks, and does not flee to London and does not become a fighter against the regime. Yes, given his methods, and in a new place, it will hurt someone .....
        1. Jack-b 2 November 2015 10: 51 New
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          . Yes, given his methods, and in a new place, it will hurt someone .....

          I don’t think so. The Moor has done his job; the Moor can rest. Remember how Kirienko was tipped to the post of prime minister. He embraced the full program for default, although he was appointed to the post of prime minister only six months before him. He grabbed it, pulled it out from under the blow of the black face and went on a “rest”. Now he is sitting quietly peacefully in his calm posts, most recently in Rosatom. So Serdyukov will probably follow the same scenario.
          1. tegezen 2 November 2015 11: 43 New
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            Kiriyenko is sitting peacefully .. well, that’s not so at all, he is the head of Rosatom, the most important direction, this is one level of Gozprom, Rosneft, Rostec. Minister for the Nuclear Industry.
            1. Jack-b 2 November 2015 12: 27 New
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              What does "wrong" mean? And with whom is he fighting? He sits quietly, does not particularly protrude, occasionally pops up to sign the contract and again in the shadows. Reform does not carry out, does not quarrel with anyone. Yes, the direction is important. But the place is calm.
        2. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 11: 42 New
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          Quote: Asadullah
          but he reminds me more of a surgeon who had surgery without anesthesia, anesthesia is now expensive. It was painful,

          We had a similar surgeon throughout the country -Gaidar clicked .. well, this is only for the army ..
          1. Good me 2 November 2015 13: 39 New
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            Quote: afdjhbn67
            We had a similar surgeon throughout the country -Gaidar clicked .. well, this is only for the army ..


            Narrow specialist ...
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        4. tomket 2 November 2015 12: 39 New
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          Quote: Asadullah
          Enraged by his new appointment?

          infuriates.
          Quote: Asadullah
          But he’s a man of the team, and only solves the assigned tasks,

          tasks how to steal more?
          Quote: Asadullah
          rather than fleeing to London and becoming a fighter against the regime.

          so why should he run? initially nobody was going to touch him. so why should he fight with benefactor Putin?
          Quote: Asadullah
          Yes, given his methods, and in a new place, someone will be hurt.

          millions of about Xnumx will get hurt.
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            I do not defend Taburetkin, I personally do not like him, but I need to be more specific in the charges. Interestingly, someone can call at least an approximate amount stolen by a stool. Or is it also taken, like Psaki, from a "liberal" Internet?

            This is so much a spoon for dect ... for high prosecutors.
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              Let's go, "podtaburetkiny" - amerikosovsky litter minus amicably! Like the latest cheap stuff without comments. Ah breathtaking!
              1. afdjhbn67 3 November 2015 03: 55 New
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                Quote: alexneg
                "sub-stools" - Americanos litter

                Do not you think that it is difficult after that to wait for another reaction?
                one minus mine .. don't blame me ..
                1. alexng 5 November 2015 00: 53 New
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                  By the way, I didn’t put a single cheap thing on VO minuses -principally. As I consider it inability to lead discussion and cowardice.
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                  Duc, Taburetkin seems to be not being appointed to a new post, and who are you after that? I know that for sure.
        5. korvin1976 2 November 2015 13: 26 New
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          Almost completely agree with Asadullah
          Everything has two sides of the coin, and we saw only one side, so to speak, the front of this same coin, now there is another side.
          1. I would like to note the dates of Serdyukov’s “leadership” beginning of 2007, end of 2012. What is characteristic, in 2007, the government still had GDP, and in 2012. has already become GDP. So GDP Serdyukov appointed to this position, at the end of his reign, and dismissed almost immediately at the beginning of the new reign. What is this talking about? With all this, I think it will not be a secret to anyone that during the reign of the DAM, the GDP played a major role, and the DAM was in fact a screen.
          2. In order to build something new, as a rule, it is necessary to break the old, but the one who will break this oldest will be for those who participate (feed) from this old, the worst enemy, and such things just will not forgive him. And then the principle begins to work: a bad and a good cop. A bad builder is being replaced by a good builder.
          3. For me, GDP has been and will be a talented strategist and tactician. It is quite difficult to calculate all combinations of the strategy and tactics of GDP. And all this can be read on our same forum: merged, not merged, merged, not merged. One can only guess in the process, and partially guess after all this, but unfortunately we have not been given the whole picture, the wrong level of access to information. It's like looking at a huge panorama from a distance of 50 cm.

          Serdyukov is a protege of GDP, he is also an employee of the GDP team. What is the last appointment.

          I agree with the hatred of Serdyukov, we have nothing to love him for, but as I wrote above, each medal has two sides.
          1. R-140 2 November 2015 15: 54 New
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            Totally agree with you. Serdyukov was not just staged.
          2. demo 2 November 2015 17: 31 New
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            3. For me, GDP has been and will be a talented strategist and tactician. It is quite difficult to calculate all combinations of the strategy and tactics of GDP. And all this can be read on our same forum: merged, not merged, merged, not merged. One can only guess in the process, and partially guess after all this, but unfortunately we have not been able to understand the whole picture .....

            Let me remind you of some facts.
            GDP has been in power for 15 years.
            It may be that he does not understand what he plans to do tomorrow or the day after, but if you read the newspapers with his statements from 2001-2005 and see what is made of what was promised, and what turned out to be a simple chatter, then certain conclusions can be drawn.
            It is advisable to look at a picture, especially of a large size, from far away.
            Here you are right.
            But conclusions about a person, about his mental abilities, about his tactical skills and strategic planning can be made in 5-7 years from the moment he came to power.

            What GDP cannot be blamed for is that it is surrendering "its own people."
            Even if their own are already in the eyes of their people - finished .....

            If Serdyukov disgusts the overwhelming majority of the people of Russia, but his activity was necessary and useful, then to relieve tension in society it is NECESSARY to give detailed information in the form of a series of articles or programs (work for Solovyov) where we, the poor and the wretched, will explain everything and shelves laid out.

            And somehow it’s not comme il faut.
            1. korvin1976 2 November 2015 18: 48 New
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              It’s not always good to open all the information to the public. Don't you think so? The fact that the GDP has been in power for 15 years is not an indicator of what you are hinting at.
              I can once again repeat in fact the historical background about the tandem of GDP and DAM. In the first two terms, the GDP began the hunt for “rats,” and brought a sufficient number of these “rats”, but ...... the “rats” have a tendency to get into a deep underground, from which they are quite difficult to dig out. And then the "rat-catcher" of the GDP is replaced by the liberal "kitten" DAM. As I wrote above, Serdyukov was appointed even with GDP, and removed with GDP. At the time of DAM’s reign, the “rats” felt weakened and started climbing out, and Prospect Sakhorova and Bolotnaya Square say that they felt it.
              In summary:
              - GDP pulled "rats" into the white light;
              - broke what had to be broken, using the zits of the chairmen (Serdyukov and others)
              - raised its rating, due to the removal from the posts of these same zits of chairmen;
              - Put in the prepared places the right people who can lead to the "offended" predecessor;

              The fact that Serdyukov worked out the material, I fully agree, and his appointment to such a new position is either a miscalculation of the hatred of the people for this figure or a sober calculation for something else.

              It may be that he does not understand what he plans to do tomorrow or the day after, but if you read the newspapers with his statements from 2001-2005 and see what is made of what was promised, and what turned out to be a simple chatter, then certain conclusions can be drawn.
              Well, given the fact that at the moment Russia is not the same Russia as in 2001, and that the standard of living has clearly risen, then with a simple idle talk I just don’t dare to call it all.
              And the fact that GDP uses almost all known resources to achieve results, I consider it a big plus.
          3. win
            win 3 November 2015 15: 15 New
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            Serdyukov is a protege of GDP, he is also an employee of the GDP team. What is the last appointment.


            The investigator of the prosecutor's office reports to the president:
            "Vasilyeva pointed at Serdyukov, Serdyukov at Chubais, Chubais at Surkov, Surkov at Medvedev, Medvedev at ..."
            "Enough ..." interrupts Vladimir Vladimirovich: "... and so it is quite obvious that no one is to blame for anything ..."
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          Quote: Asadullah
          And what did he corrupt there?
          The fact that pulling an owl on the globe qualified as negligence.

          As for army affairs, we must realize what the Russian army represented before Serdyukov
          Exactly the same as after.

          It was his task to remove all unnecessary
          And bury it too much on the way to a private recreation center?

          And what is superfluous, including military medicine and education?

          A separate issue of the military industrial complex, namely under Serdyukov, the rule was introduced to exclude offshore zones from the work of defense enterprises
          And in confirmation of this your imagination, give a reference to the "rule"?

          Enraged by his new appointment? But he is a team man
          Namely (like Medvedev, Kudrin, Chubais, etc.) - otherwise, he would not have had a new position, but at least five strict workers.
          1. Asadullah 2 November 2015 15: 42 New
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            And in confirmation of this your imagination, give a reference to the "rule"?


            Dear, you can find this without my modest labors. A discussion of working issues on the forum is not even stupid.

            Otherwise, leaving the details behind the brackets, I will say that I agree almost completely with your position, only I have a different perspective and a different horizon. And as always, you cannot understand this without an allegory, so imagine you are the head of a boiler house in a small town, the equipment breathes incense, the pipes are rusty, the valves are dripping, and sometimes it breaks through the tracks. Take yes and replace everything with a new one. Only now the town will freeze .... from that we patch holes, if possible we replace nodes, gradually, so that the city does not feel. At the same time, we “fight” with those who are yelling - down with the boiler! Yes, everything will be new, working well, but not by magic.

            And in detail, when I am on business in Moscow, I go to my former commander, who is in the high office of one office. I remember about three years ago, I look out the window at the parking lot of brand new premium cars parked, I ask whose car is this? Answers such a subordinate. Another car, another subordinate. And immediately abruptly breaks me: - Just don’t ask about anything! I don’t ask, because he himself rides on very low-cost vehicles, and he puts me a mattress to spend the night in the kitchen. I could have been in my guesthouse, but I don’t want to offend Dad. What is it for? I hope to explain too much that it is impossible to stop the untwisted flywheel with one desire, but if it was possible to isolate it from destruction, then it is a victory. And then, slowly stop.
            1. Uncle Joe 2 November 2015 20: 58 New
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              Quote: Asadullah
              Dear, you can find it
              So the reference is not able to give.

              Otherwise, leaving the details behind the brackets, I will say that I agree almost completely with your position
              You expressed your position, I said that your position is bullshit, and you agree with me on this?

              And as always without allegory
              This is not an allegory, but a meaningless set of phrases with a predefined statement instead of a conclusion.

              What is it for?
              To the fact that in the Russian Federation state-monopoly oligarchic capitalism with elements of feudal relations?
        7. esaull 2 November 2015 15: 36 New
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          Or maybe it's not the team but the Zubkov test?
        8. BEGA2015 2 November 2015 15: 46 New
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          "... but does not flee to London and does not become a fighter against the regime" - a strange argument. Assign a person without basic knowledge to such a position ?! Do you even understand that you wrote complete nonsense?
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          The only thing that speaks in favor of the author’s conclusions and his arguments is that the preparation and adoption of state decisions regarding the country's defense and national security are NOT ALREADY DEVELOPED or ACCEPTED, dear forum users.
          Corruption issues in the Ministry of Defense (including personnel issues related to this) are the level of organization of the performance of the organization’s management apparatus.
          Want to know the REAL leaders of the State, the level of development and adoption of government decisions? This is a deliberative governing body - the Security Council of the Russian Federation.
          And what happens there at the operational, tactical and strategic level of decision-making is not for open access. Many decisions are not published and will never be publicly available.
          If someone is in doubt, I can recommend not to be lazy and conduct a small analysis of at least constitutional and federal legislation, in part regarding.
      3. TiRex 2 November 2015 10: 55 New
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        show these capable ...
      4. VOLOD 2 November 2015 15: 48 New
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        well, okay, someone who needs to clean the stables. to see and in ROSTEH their ossified generals formed.
      5. korvin1976 2 November 2015 19: 10 New
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        The fact of the matter is that you may need a person in this position with a tarnished reputation. Why and for what, and what goals are being pursued here, I think we will soon find out.
        But if we consider that this appointment is stupidly “our” to a warm place, then our GDP is not far-fetched, and this was somehow not observed. Don't you think so?
      6. Dart2027 2 November 2015 19: 17 New
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        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        So why move it again in the service hierarchy? Is he so irreplaceable?

        And maybe that's why? It is possible that the same story with the stables will be repeated again.
      7. Foxmara 2 November 2015 20: 27 New
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        Yes, then, that does not give up. Throw one - the rest will run away. If you did what you were instructed, they won’t leave you, everyone should know this. And Pyakin chewed everything in detail a year or two ago in detail. [Media = https: //www.google.ru/webhp? Sourceid = chrome-instant & ion = 1 & espv = 2
        & ie = UTF-8 # q = pyakin% 20о% 20serdyukov]
  2. Nikolay K 2 November 2015 08: 32 New
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    They stole so much money that not enough for such an article. Years through 10, we were convinced that Serdyukov and Vasilyeva were crystal honest people who saved our army and world peace.
    1. Karabanov 2 November 2015 08: 55 New
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      Tired of these custom articles with attempts to whitewash the feldmebel Taburetkin. Such an article is far from the first, and presumably not the last.
      1. Rostov Papa 2 November 2015 09: 29 New
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        Fresh joke - Serdyukov’s appointment to Rostec is the US response to the IS bombing in Syria.

        But seriously speaking, where to put it? He knows a lot, and so sits under the supervision, shifts the papers. Comrade Stalin resolved such questions very quickly, a bullet in the back of his head, but now the times are not the same.
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          Where to go? The cartridge costs 16 rubles. And so how much should he pay?
      2. Scoun 2 November 2015 10: 42 New
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        Quote: Karabanov
        Tired of these custom articles with attempts to whitewash the feldmebel Taburetkin.

        And if you do not whitewash and reason?
        Quote: Karabanov
        Such an article is far from the first, and presumably not the last.

        Are you the articles "denigrating" Taburetkin? or only one-sided "what is more for me"?
        Quote: Mahmut
        Secondly, not our army, but just a military district, developed and implemented this military company, and in a very limited time. Hence the errors

        )) here you are wrong))) back in the spring of 2008, people at the exercises in the mountains on the border with Georgia, clearly knew that "soon will be." (I know this for sure, but I will not add anything else).
        Quote: indeveral
        Of course! And Serdyukov also personally led troops in the war against Georgia!

        Well, here the comrade is malicious)))
        It is known for certain that the leadership was in Beijing and Serdyukov was on the prowl)) and they could not reach him for a day.
        Quote: Tambov Wolf
        Either the son in 24 years of age will be given an order for great service for the good, then the minister will be brought to power and the order will be thrown, and she, having stolen a hillock, will wander off.

        There were plenty of sons among summer generals. )) Now the orders and the stolen are sitting in the "Science", city administrations and governorate (take the governor of the Sverdlovsk region .... he doesn’t even have a secondary education and two diplomas were bought ... in Yekaterinburg there was even a share .. find a fellow student get a million)
        Quote: vladimirZ
        This is not thanks to Serdyukov-Taburetkin, but contrary to him, patriotic officers retained the Russian Army.

        Sorry Komrad)) of course patriotic but reminded - only a Russian person has a Trinity icon on his dashboard and an unfastened seat belt. )))
        Quote: Stas57
        that the army is fat cats at the top, forgotten how to fight, but having summer cottages, stars and so on. about it
        , emnip Putin said, said that at 888 they were barely picking battle-worthy from all over the country, and with that number.

        that’s what the revelry in the army’s generals was .. it’s a true truth .. I was building a construction site for high military ranks in Barvikha in 2003 - 2005))) but about 08.08.08 you were wrong))) GDP said about the invasion of militants in Dagestan in 1999 year.
        PS. laughing
        Comrades, I don’t want to whitewash anyone or denigrate anyone ... but the people basically throw themselves with “slogans” and cliches, and people trying to really speculate .. where is the past and where is the fiction ... very few. Slogans)) enter your three favorite slogans in your profile)) and you will be "eternal buzz" as in a joke)))

        Have a good week for everyone and may there be no sad tragedies in November ...
        1. Karabanov 2 November 2015 10: 57 New
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          Quote: Scoun
          And if you do not whitewash and reason?

          I've already reasoned enough and heard enough about this topic ... Want, look for comments in my profile.
          The hero is molded of thieves and there are still furious defenders of it.
          Because I am so succinctly and express myself. Tired of ...
          1. Scoun 2 November 2015 11: 16 New
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            Quote: Karabanov
            I've already reasoned enough and heard enough about this topic ..

            Excuse me, please .. but this is the first sign of a hot cliche formed, but in fact ... a realistic assessment of deeds and actions comes after a certain time .. and only now is the time to give first estimates to the reforms that took place in For the past eight years, the armies have been saying, and only now can one reason for a calm, bright head)))
            PS.
            This is how the people of Onishchenko made an icon for themselves))) and yes, I’m not afraid to anger a particularly hot egg, the patriotic part of the forum users will say))
            1. Who knows what legacy the Ministry of Emergencies (GO) received from the USSR ?! )))
            2. Who knows what is the current situation in the Ministry of Emergencies ?! )))
            3. Who knows how Shoigu created "polite people", helicopter squadrons, "calibers", "Buyans" with "calibers" in a year ...
            PS
            November 6th will be exactly three years since Shoigu became Minister of Defense.
            1. Karabanov 2 November 2015 12: 03 New
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              Quote: Scoun
              Excuse me please .. but this is the first sign of a formed "cliche"

              Yes, I don’t have any cliches. But there is a formed, albeit subjective, view of things.
              All such arguments in defense of Serdyukov are based on the principle - well, yes ... well, you son of a bitch, he stole, a female battalion started, offended personnel officers, ruined schools ... But he also built, reformed the army, a kind of manager (effective manager) with a clear army look. And the scales of the brought "benefit" are leaning in his direction, more than the harm done ... What kind of reasoning is this? A new emerging rating system - he not only stole, but did something else there ... Original.
              Who is he? Is this mug? It was just after time that it became clear what the character holding the post of minister was most concerned about. Profit, plundering of money and other corruption affairs. And now some are urging to almost love the embezzler and his rogue and impudent, protégé spitting on the law and public opinion.
              He saw if he didn’t sleep at night, he cared about the strengthening and prosperity of the armed forces.
              He was given a task and he performed it, or do you think it was his initiative? But he fulfilled this task according to the principle - a step forward, two backward.
              Another person, more competent and really concerned about the state of our aircraft (and not the former director of a furniture store), would have done incomparably more and more successfully. But the leadership of the country did not find such a person or did not make out, but most likely played the principle of clan and kindred proximity to some high-ranking comrades.
              And in fairness, his current smirking “scoreboard” should run with the Kyle in the mines, and not occupy leading positions in state corporations.
              1. Scoun 2 November 2015 12: 44 New
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                He was given a task and he performed it, or do you think it was his initiative? But he fulfilled this task according to the principle - a step forward, two backward.
                Another person, more competent and really concerned about the state of our aircraft (and not the former director of a furniture store), would have done incomparably more and more successfully.

                Mdya ... what can you say?
                Sergei Borisovich Ivanov was born in Leningrad in 1953. I received an offer to work for the State Security Committee while studying at the philological faculty of LSU. After graduating from the Higher School of the KGB of the USSR, he met Vladimir Putin, who worked in the same department. In 1998, thanks to this acquaintance, Ivanov, after the reorganization of the KGB, served in the Foreign Intelligence Service, received the post of deputy director of the Federal Security Service of Russia. Putin, then head of the FSB, made Ivanov the head of the Analysis, Forecasting and Strategic Planning Department, which was responsible for the Kremlin’s information support.
                In 1999, Putin, who became acting President of Russia, made Ivanov secretary of the country's Security Council. On November 9, Ivanov 2000 was dismissed from military service, and on March 28, 2001 he was appointed Minister of Defense. The Minister initiated reform of the army, which implied significant
                reduction in the number of military personnel, replacement of conscripts by contract soldiers, rearmament and change of the control mechanisms of the Armed Forces. He canceled the postponement of military service for conscripts and reduced the number of universities with military departments, and officially announced that he had rescued conscripts from military service in Chechnya.
                The Minister achieved an increase in the military budget, restored the practice of conducting large-scale military exercises, including joint exercises with the armies of other countries. At the end of 2005, Putin appointed him deputy prime minister, retaining him as head of the defense department. It was assumed that Ivanov would be responsible for the state of the military-industrial complex, the quality of manufactured products and their prices, however, Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov retained a number of important powers in the defense industry.

                The reform did not start yesterday ..
                http://www.peoples.ru/state/minister/russia/ivanov/index2.html
                1. Karabanov 2 November 2015 14: 14 New
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                  Quote: Scoun
                  Mdya ... what can you say?

                  Here below, one user has a sound reasoning on this subject:
                  The performance by an official or official of his direct duties is already called a feat.
                  Survived ...
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              Quote: Scoun
              Who knows how Shoigu created “polite people”, squadrons of helicopters, “calibers”, “Buyans” with “calibers” over the year ...

              Serdyukov was the “godfather” of all these systems?))) I didn’t get out of the test sites for days testing personally Mi-28 and Su-34?)))) I ditched my spine on marches on “Armata”?) So you don’t have to make a purchase to achieve Serdyukov’s armament. If we began to pour money into the purchase of weapons in streams, this does not mean that Serdyukov had a hand in their appearance. The same su-34 were born back in 94. MiG-29k appeared thanks to the Indians. Like the Su-30CM. Merit Serdyukov that he wrote a check? well, I’m more than sure that Serdyukov didn’t upset the thresholds of the government with requests to allocate some more funds.
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                Quote: tomket
                Here it is not necessary to put the purchase of weapons in the achievement of Serdyukov.

                Well, in general, just as it is impossible to put Putin in the achievement of the country's rise from the beginning of his reign. Oil was also extracted before him, he did not plow in factories, he did not make scientific discoveries and the latest developments. It was not Putin who masterfully acted in Crimea and he was not piloting airplanes in Syria. "We are with you" of course well done that did all this. And neither Putin nor anyone else in the country personally can set himself this achievement.
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                  Quote: Jack-B
                  to achieve Putin’s rise in the country since the beginning of his reign. Oil was extracted before

                  Well, according to Siluanov’s forecasts, the little egg will end next year, and we’ll see what Putin built there and raised the economic one.
                  Quote: Jack-B
                  he did not make scientific discoveries and the latest developments.

                  Putin made scientific discoveries ???? But.....
                  Quote: Jack-B
                  It was not Putin who masterfully acted in Crimea and he was not piloting airplanes in Syria

                  But I don’t think that he acted masterfully ....
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                  Well, according to Siluanov’s forecasts, the little egg will end next year, and we’ll see what Putin built there and raised the economic one.

                  Well, they kind of promised that last year it should have been all over, we are waiting.
                  Quote: tomket
                  But I don’t think that he acted masterfully ....

                  And so I wrote: he did not act!
        2. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 11: 24 New
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          Quote: Karabanov
          Quote: Scoun
          And if you do not whitewash and reason?

          I've already reasoned enough and heard enough about this topic ... Want, look for comments in my profile.
          The hero is molded of thieves and there are still furious defenders of it.
          Because I am so succinctly and express myself. Tired of ...

          I agree .. but bites when this is not done professionally and frankly stupid .. hi
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          Quote: Karabanov
          Because I am so succinctly and express myself. Tired of it.

          Against the background of such statues, Putin’s naivety, who is dissatisfied with the pace of construction of the cosmodrome, sincerely surprises. One would like to ask, what did you want after awarding Serdyukov? Mass enthusiasm and crystal honesty?
      3. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 11: 17 New
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        )) here you are wrong))) back in the spring of 2008, people at the exercises in the mountains on the border with Georgia, clearly knew that "soon will be." (I know this for sure, but I will not add anything else).

        But what about the tank hazardous areas of the militia detachment was not at least from the RPG ??
        or didn’t the experience of storming Grozny teach us anything? in the fight against armored vehicles in urban environments and in mountainous areas?
        It turns out you need a picture more terrible and bloodier on TV? so what .... I am also more than sure that the GRU and the SVR and just informants sympathizers brought this information .. And in 2008 I had a question when I watched TV and showed the intersection - I thought oh if there would be an ambush with the shaitan - they drove around Tskhinval through a pipe of figs ..
        1. Scoun 2 November 2015 11: 43 New
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          I, too, are more than sure that the GRU and the SVR and just sympathetic informants brought this information ..

          back in February-March they knew and brought all the other questions to the generals ... Serdyuk was on the hunt and was inaccessible, the GDP was in Beijing at the opening of the Olympic Games ... and now the real picture is a day! no one in the Ministry of Defense and the Government of Russia could make a DECISION! brainless bastards .. and at that time our peacekeepers died!
          ** ki .. this situation really showed hu hu ... these big hereditary bosses in uniform ... could not make a decision in the absence of Taburetkin ... and who are they after that?
          What is it ... if suddenly Shoigu "disappears" for a day ... will our generals wear diapers again?
          I’m starting really start ... everyone rests on the horn in Serdyukov .. and that his general’s environment was ...... complete!
          I do not want to swear and splatter other, innocent people.
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            I don’t want to swear and splatter other, innocent people.

            In some ways, you’re right, but such a thing as a detachment of detachments is done very long before the main events, since it includes creation, training, geo-referencing, and armament - it can be more serious than RPGs, although the shaitan pipe is in the capable hands of the Fagot will not yield laughing
          2. Fin
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            Quote: Scoun
            ** ki .. this situation really showed hu hu ... these big hereditary bosses in uniform ... could not make a decision in the absence of Taburetkin ... and who are they after that?

            To start b / d against another state - whose level is this? Or shield any general has the authority to do so?
            Quote: Scoun
            and that his generals environment was ...... complete! don't want to swear

            Were you among them there? Certification can be carried out?
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              To start b / d against another state - whose level is this?

              1. But to protect the peacekeeping contingent under the UN mandate - whose level?
              2. Do not forget about the phrase about the Government
              3. do not miss a word about the President .....
              4. but in the end all built by the Prime Minister, though ....
              Quote: Fin
              Or shield any General Does the prime minister have the authority to do so?

              Everything else from verbiage ... I can take anything .. but the facts remain facts .. only the GDP turned out to be iron bells. Medvedev was stupidly confused, although after the exercises the army left a couple of battalions disguised on the border with South Ossetia already knew that the matter was soon ..
              Russia was preparing for the fact that Georgia could attack the republic. The response plan was developed by our military and approved by the country's leadership long before the Georgian aggression.
              This was stated by Vladimir Putin, answering a question from a RIA Novosti correspondent about his personal participation in those events.
              Question: "Today is August 8th, the fourth anniversary of the conflict in South Ossetia. Yesterday I asked you about the film that the South Ossetian colleagues prepared about the events of that time. In particular, it states that you, being in Beijing on August 8th, called from there. Indeed "Did you call or didn’t call from there? This is the first. And the second, didn’t Russia have an action plan in case of military aggression of Georgia in South Ossetia?"
              "The plan was and, in my opinion, it is not a secret. It was within the framework of this plan that the Russian side acted. I already spoke about this publicly before. This is not a secret, I repeat again. The plan was prepared by the General Staff somewhere at the end I approved and agreed upon it by me in 2006 or at the beginning of 2007. Moreover, training of South Ossetian militias was also carried out within the framework of this plan, although our military experts, frankly, believed that this was more or less useless.

              http://berlogamisha.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=237
              there you will find links.
              It was then that everyone laid out that Medvedev was making a decision.
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              I remember one general who was not afraid of the Chinese to answer from everything that was at hand, even he applied, but it seems that now they have happened, the builders are driving with "tapeworms" - they even built a super center for this :)
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            these big hereditary bosses in uniform ... could not make a decision in the absence of Taburetkin ... and who are they after that?

            About the same as in 41. some took a pissing blow at “valuable instructions from above.” Others did not succumb to provocations. The reverse side of the coin is the vertical of power. The lower ranks would rather go under the ax of the adversary than encroach on the holy initiative from above.
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            Quote: Scoun
            Serdyuk was on the hunt and was inaccessible

            these big hereditary bosses in uniform ... could not make a decision in the absence of Taburetkin ... and who are they after that?
            The situation when the Minister of Defense is “out of range of the network” - is it normal at all?
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              Quote: Scoun
              Serdyuk was on the hunt and was inaccessible

              these big hereditary bosses in uniform ... could not make a decision in the absence of Taburetkin ... and who are they after that?
              The situation when the Minister of Defense is “out of range of the network” - is it normal at all?

              Are you asking me this? )))) laughing
              The question is not for me))) but for the Moscow Region, and then they suddenly got a secretary to smoke, or someone forgot their mobile home ... but this is their question and their business.
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                Are you asking me this?
                You.

                The question is not for me
                To you.

                Not MO, but you are now reporting the lack of communication with the Minister of Defense as a matter of course, blaming everything on the abstract chiefs in uniform.
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      field furniture Taburetkina

      Oh how. Not weak.
  3. indeveral 2 November 2015 09: 05 New
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    Of course! And Serdyukov also personally led troops in the war against Georgia! For what he received a war veteran!
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      Quote: indeveral
      Of course! And Serdyukov also personally led troops in the war against Georgia! For what he received a war veteran!

      With all its shortcomings, this is not its level of task .. minus is not mine
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    Of course! And Serdyukov also personally led troops in the war against Georgia! For what he received a war veteran!
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    Wait a year or two, articles will appear that whitewash Chubais. They will write as "the best manager in the world and the galaxy" with a secret decree assigning the Hero of the Russian Federation as "Marshal Taburetkin." And if you dig around, how many such "secret" decrees are there ? First, they will give the order to their son in 24 for great service for the good, then they will bring the minister to power and they will throw the order, and she, having stolen the hillock, is slipping away. Well, of course, the tsar has nothing to do with it, but damned boyars, bastards .. .
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      Wait, in two years there will be articles whitewashing Chubais.

      Just love Putin and don’t pay attention to anything ... wink
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    They stole so much money,


    Nikolay, do you know something, have a killer texture? You can write in a personal letter, I promise, I will provide a report on the work done on the invoice and the result.
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      Nikolay, do you know something, have a killer texture? You can write in a personal letter, I promise, I will provide a report on the work done on the invoice and the result.

      Wow Big Brother is looking at us .. bully
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    win 3 November 2015 14: 40 New
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    They stole so much money


    Not caught - not a thief, but caught - still not a thief.
    © Anatoly Serdyukov
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  • Good me 2 November 2015 08: 40 New
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    It’s time to write an icon. And the “talented” poetess Vasilyev will be painted.

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    the only reason you can thank Serdyukov despite these savage thefts is that with him the level of funding for the army has grown very much, at least thanks for it. but anyway, THIEF SHOULD BE SITTEN IN Jail !!!
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      the only reason you can thank Serdyukov despite these wild thefts is that with him, the level of funding for the army has grown very sharply
      "When" is not equal to "thanks."

      For the increase in funding, thank the State Duma of the Russian Federation, the host budget.
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    This is understood by Putin, and, apparently, for those services to Russia (which history books will never write about) and makes it possible for the former minister to get a normal position in the state corporation.

    Yeah ..... and I thought it was a sinful thing that all this is because the First Deputy Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov is the son-in-law of the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov.)))))
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    It’s time to write an icon. And the “talented” poetess Vasilyev will be painted.

    Serdyukov received those still Augean stables, having cleared them, and pretty smeared with shit, he became a whipping boy, giving way to a real hero and favorite of the public Shoigu

    Lord, again? ...
  • gav6757 2 November 2015 14: 24 New
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    The author of the article claims what needs to be done, first worse, so that later it is better!
    A highly controversial statement!
    An example of this is the revolution and the words from the song "We will destroy the whole world of violence, and then ..."
    Or maybe you don’t need to ruin anything?
    Maybe you need to improve what is?
    What did our grandfathers leave us?
    The author writes about Serdyukov as about a “whipping boy” who took on dirty work, not grateful work.
    And why not remember the stolen treasury? Selling property at low prices, through relatives? This is an enemy of the people and a corrupt official who is being covered up by his accomplice (s) in the government! He is the enemy! The terrible enemy! A man who is ready to sell his homeland for gingerbread and not the fact that these gingerbreads will not be overseas !!! And the fact that this scoundrel was transferred to work at Rusnano says a lot! And first of all, about what kind of corporation it is! Who cares, take an interest in the activities of Rusnano, how much does it cost and what is the profit? How technologies are bought from China, and their own ones are clamped ... This is a topic for another conversation.
    Serdyukov is an enemy! And this is understandable to any Soviet citizen, maybe young people do not understand this, but here is our flaw.
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      Or maybe you don’t need to ruin anything?
      Maybe you need to improve what is?
      What did our grandfathers leave us?

      This would be true if we were talking about the army of the 70s, not to mention the 40s. In the 90s, the army was almost destroyed. I saw it with my own eyes. I do not claim that Serdyukov alone saved her from the final collapse - this is physically impossible. But the talk that he destroyed and plundered also does not agree with the results. As a matter of fact, these are two extreme points of view that are equally wrong. He most likely really got his post thanks to family ties, but at the same time he did what he was ordered to. And the work on modernization and re-equipment was carried out by just the same professionals, those same patriotic officers.
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    In catching up there is still a link to an article in the topic. The original seems to be from facebook, but I don’t really read facebook, so the link to the reprint in the politrash
    http://politrussia.com/control/paru-slov-o-276/
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    Bullshit, not an article. This is not thanks to Serdyukov-Taburetkin, but contrary to him, patriotic officers retained the Russian Army.
    And how much more needs to be restored that this “reformer” managed to break and deploy, decades will not be enough. To recall only how many military educational institutions he destroyed, transferring the experience of the older generations, how many military units, military camps, airfields were closed, and which now need to be restored, spending billions of budget money.
    And there are still people trying to whitewash this destroyer, to justify his appointment to the next public post in order to continue to harm Russia. It’s sad. Want to make candy out of shit? Will not work!
    1. tegezen 2 November 2015 11: 57 New
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      And what about Serdyukov, patriotic officers did nothing? And the minister was Sergey Ivanov, a good guy. The army, my dear, was plundered just before Serdyukov. Money went as a breakthrough, new weapons were purchased in unit quantities
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      Rare nonsense. Especially about patriotic officers saved the Russian Army.
      I hope that the new appointment of stools will bring as much benefit as he brought to my. The specific scope of his responsibilities is not yet clear, but I think that things in the aviation industry will go uphill. And when, after several years of dense digging of sk and prosecutors to cowards, they find only one road built by the thieves, this is of course a malicious corruptionist. laughing I knew the battalion commanders, before whom Serdyukov is a rogue. And for some reason I have not heard of any account he found abroad or villas abroad. Well, for sure - a thief. am You should not take a picture in the media at face value - reality usually differs from it. hi
    3. Your friend 2 November 2015 12: 35 New
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      Quote: vladimirZ
      Bullshit, not an article. This is not thanks to Serdyukov-Taburetkin, but contrary to him, patriotic officers retained the Russian Army.
      And how much more needs to be restored that this “reformer” managed to break and deploy, decades will not be enough. To recall only how many military educational institutions he destroyed, transferring the experience of the older generations, how many military units, military camps, airfields were closed, and which now need to be restored, spending billions of budget money.
      And there are still people trying to whitewash this destroyer, to justify his appointment to the next public post in order to continue to harm Russia. It’s sad. Want to make candy out of shit? Will not work!

      List of "patriotic officers" in the studio. The country must know its heroes. (
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    Quote: Andrew Y.
    "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"
    in short, Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, pay for the Syrian campaign of stolen money! here at whose expense "banquet"! (the author sincerely pleased)

    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Again this topic is Serdyukov the secret savior of the Russian Army!

    One of the (versions) appointment of Serdyukov to the post of Min. Defense is a scrapping of a system of financial and personnel policy of high ranks built over decades, because it’s not a secret to anyone how gray mice were nominated and appointed to leadership positions, or were there fewer general palaces before Serdyukov? In general, if you imagine that it’s very difficult to “implant” an outsider in a military environment, then Serdyukov (then Zubkov’s son-in-law) and then also the cousin of Medvedev’s cousin, was ideally suited for this ......
    But all this is from the category of Higher conspiracy theology and I am afraid that not everything is so "heroic." )))) but there is no smoke without fire, as they say, a certain amount of money was scrapped in the Moscow Region, but as for me it was 30% percent, the main money extraction system remained in place (parts).
    1. andj61 2 November 2015 08: 11 New
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      Serdyukov broke that ineffective system that was in the army - and in manning, and in the structure, and in the procurement system? Broke it! Honor and praise be for him! And he was not awarded poorly as a result! That is, the state has already appreciated it. And did the money all go to the budget as a result of the sale of state property during the reform of the army? Not all - a bunch of people on this hand warmed up! Serdyukov was involved in this - of course, he was involved, but he has not yet been brought to justice.
      And there are a lot of mistakes in reforming - starting from leapfrog with military schools and ending with holding parades without Suvorovites and in everyday, not at all formal, form.
      A year ago, immediately after the Crimea, many voiced their voices in the same vein — in Shoigu, in a little over a year (it was in 2014), he could not make the army so effective! So, not only ministers make an army effective, but also a bunch of professionals in the army itself - a low bow to them for that!
      So the figure is ambiguous, and rather negative than positive.
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        Definitely negative.
    2. Stas57 2 November 2015 08: 47 New
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      One of (versions)

      This is not a version - it is a fact.
      that the army is fat cats at the top, forgotten how to fight, but having summer cottages, stars and so on. about it
      , emnip Putin said, said that at 888 they were barely picking battle-worthy from all over the country, and with that number.

      The fact that it was necessary to break it - to change the big and the voracious and ineffective to the small and effective - became an extremely important fact.
      Only an extraneous one, not a clan one, and not a family member could break it.

      Broke, created, Serdyukov here rather a scalpel in the hand of the GDP. One of the scalpels and tweezers.
      But during the lifetime of a nuclear power plant, it could have earned itself a monument based on the results of Syria and Crimea, but "a woman killed such a lad" (c)
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      2. Aleksander 2 November 2015 09: 18 New
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        Quote: Stas57
        The fact that it was necessary to break it


        Breaking is not to build. And good deeds are not being done in gangster ways; gangster results will be obtained — theft and nepotism. And rejoicing that a small part was nevertheless used for good deeds is, in my opinion, a perversion.
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          Quote: Aleksander
          Breaking is not to build. And good deeds are not being done in gangster ways; gangster results will be obtained — theft and nepotism. And rejoicing that a small part was nevertheless used for good deeds is, in my opinion, a perversion.


          what a ... you know what makes me happy ...


          I am glad that the army is at war, eats well, often flies, shoots a lot, they WANT to go at it.

          In my army of 94-95, the lines of people who wanted to serve at the military registration and enlistment office did not line up, it is understandable, Chechnya, black PR NTV and so on did not contribute. And I also remember how the GBV was taken out to the field, and the Germans seemed to give money ... and then how it all went into the sand, and the equipment itself went into the sand, and this is Serdyukov?

          to consider that the army of the dying USSR and Yeltsin’s Russia was perfect, was not sick, and that it had to be treated was some kind of childish infantilism ...
          I think that here Putin is right for 99% in the reform process, and we see the result thereof.
          The result without reform - see the neighboring "fraternal" country
      3. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 33 New
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        It was necessary to change, but not to kill.
  • Veteran of the Red Army 2 November 2015 08: 03 New
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    Nothing in this country has changed since Brezhnev:
    OUR (read the nomenclature) DO NOT RENT !!!
  • afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 09: 29 New
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    Quote: Andrew Y.
    (the author sincerely pleased)

    will cause the anger of both the “Kremlin boats” and the “fifth column”

    He beautifully supplied all those who disagree with it immediately.
    Now Andrei Yurievich understood who we are ... and not only we ... request
    ps. And here are the “Kremlin bots” only, they, according to logic, should on the contrary protect such “Kremlin Bots” authors?
    Dialectical contradiction arises according to Hegel
    If he’s on a website, then the path doesn’t say that “We didn’t teach dialectics according to Hegel
    With a clatter of fights, she burst into verse .. "
    I will not believe.. laughing
    To summarize - a dumb propaganda, not a very smart author .. most likely a victim of the exam fool
    1. Good me 2 November 2015 09: 43 New
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      He beautifully supplied all those who disagree with it immediately.
      Now Andrei Yurievich understood who we are ... and not only we ...

      Give me a shortcut yes .

      ON THE PRINCIPLE repeat lol

      And then, it’s not even an hour, the field assistant will get some ...
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        Quote: Good I
        ON THE PRINCIPLE

        Take it and Volodya .. laughing
        Didn’t remind you of Monday?
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          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Take it and Volodya ..
          Didn’t remind you of Monday?

          Yes, they got out, "Monday's children" ...
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      He beautifully supplied all those who disagree with it immediately.

      + labels as well as slogans are easily given)) and for many they work on a reflex)))
      Quote: NordUral
      It was necessary to change, but not to kill.

      For example, according to the logic of Nordural. the army died after Serdypuk (((and only the rebellious "zombie" did 08.08.08, Crimea 2014, Syria 2015 .. just in the shortest possible time it was reborn into a "zombie")))

      Quote: Good I
      Give me a shortcut ...

      Here, the labels are still a little queue)))) but there are still a lot of vendors)))
  • Azitral 2 November 2015 10: 09 New
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    To the author - a fat plus (set). Thank you for your courage and ability to resist emotions. Such articles are very necessary, since VO is an analytical portal, it is assumed that its readers are patriots who can distinguish visibility from the essence. And, in theory, he should be accustomed to independent thinking, analysis, and not to "approving" or "unanimous, angry condemnation." Only one thing to fix: not the Augean stables that need to be cleaned. A hopeless ruin that had to be demolished and, in fact, re-created. Weakly abyssal sprouts after the beginning of the 2nd Chechen against the background of irreversible, total collapse. And it was necessary to demolish not a hut, but a reinforced concrete bunker, where such thieves and slave owners entrenched, in comparison with which his theft (By the way, is just unproven!) Is a penny. His position, a conflict with the interests of the most powerful groups and clans, was aggravated by the fact that everything positive that he did could NOT be covered. Our American-European friends and partners should have been CONTINUOUSly receiving signals: "Everyone, as always, steals and blurs, there is no one to work, it will turn out, as always, at the head of the cut - TOTAL Taburetkin !!!" Such a contradiction: about the any real positive changes, about effective solutions in potential, both the president and responsible executives just have to keep silent! In order not to pay attention, they were not alert, did not begin to put the sticks in the wheels. To continue to have fun, giggle and point fingers. Only this has its price: the people, not being able to see positive changes, turn sour with their souls, become infected with an all-corroding skepticism. And this contradiction, in our conditions, when ill-wishers take dominant positions, unfortunately, cannot be eliminated. And about the "mass of capable people with a spotless reputation", excuse me, - stupidity. Extra-class executives who have proven their worth in an almost hopeless affair are rare.
    1. tegezen 2 November 2015 12: 37 New
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      I disagree with you only in one thing that positive signals could not be covered, much was covered, almost everything was possible, but they did not notice this point blank, they were used to living in the atmosphere, everything was lost and a mess everywhere. All the arrivals of new weapons, all the changes in the structure of the armed forces, reductions, down to the new form and life of the soldiers, were all in sight. People hardly change the patterns of thinking, and see what they want to see, and here we get surprises, since the new army fell right from the sky.
  • Alexey-74 2 November 2015 10: 11 New
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    but didn’t the author think if Taburetkin was still the Minister of Defense, whether there were “polite people”, Crimea, Syria .... new equipment (Armata, etc.) I think the answer is obvious ....
    1. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 10: 33 New
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      Quote: Alexey-74
      but didn’t the author think if Taburetkin was still the Minister of Defense, whether there were “polite people”, Crimea, Syria .... new equipment (Armata, etc.) I think the answer is obvious ....

      And where would all this go? The army still receives equipment on the orders of the furniture maker and on the concept of the furniture maker.

      By the way, “Armata” is just the brainchild of Taburetkin. One of those decisions for which it was rinsed for nothing: for the decision to concentrate all the forces on developing a less sophisticated "armata" was complete with a refusal to continue work on the prodigy "Object 195" and a refusal to purchase T-90 (in exchange of which they went T-72B3).
      1. Good me 2 November 2015 10: 59 New
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        The army still receives equipment on the orders of the furniture maker and on the concept of the furniture maker.


        Bright elements of the "concept":
        - Mistral
        - Lynx
        - "Domestic tanks are good for nothing, we will purchase" foreign cars "...
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          Quote: Good I
          Bright elements of the "concept":
          - Mistral

          All questions are for Mr. Dragon. smile
          Quote: Good I
          - Lynx

          Which is the only mine-protected machine in our aircraft.
          And after the start of procurement of which GAZ suddenly began to correct all those jambs that he was pointed out from the beginning of the operation of the "tigers".
          Quote: Good I
          - "Domestic tanks are good for nothing, we will purchase" foreign cars "...

          And how - they began to buy? wink
          Or you do not know about the context of this phrase - it was said exactly when the defense industry raised the price of the T-90A by half. The result - the transition to the purchase of T-72B3 and the order for the "armature".

          And where did the "Serdyukovskie" Su-30MK2, Su-30SM, Su-34, project 11356 FR, BTR-82 go all the modifications, a cloud of electronic warfare systems and so on, so on, so on? wink
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        And the story with the Mistral was on hand for us ...
    2. Jack-b 2 November 2015 11: 04 New
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      Quote: Alexey-74
      but didn’t the author think if Taburetkin was still the Minister of Defense, whether there were “polite people”, Crimea, Syria .... new equipment (Armata, etc.) I think the answer is obvious ....

      And didn’t you think that Serdyukov was exchanged for Shoigu when he completed his task? Or do you think that he lost his job due to suspicions of corruption?
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    Quote: Andrew Y.
    in short, Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, pay for the Syrian campaign of stolen money! here at whose expense "banquet"! (the author sincerely pleased)

    Andrei, can you really not see that they are just leading us for a fool. This was during the time of Comrade Zheglov a thief in prison.
  • PV KGB of the USSR 2 November 2015 12: 33 New
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    And if the plot is this:
    To accumulate all that our army has now needed time, and our American "partners" would never allow us to actively carry out reform in the army. In place of the Minister of Defense they put a man who should look like a complete ignoramus in the army theme, and even a "thief." For a bigger scandal, according to legend, he needs a lover who helps him “plunder” the army and navy. American intelligence smokes quietly thinking that everything, here it is the end of the Russian army. In fact, in an environment of increased secrecy, the military-industrial complex begins to work, and personnel are being cleaned. There is little time, if the enemy suspects a catch, it can strike a country. Even with the advent of Shoigu, the project “Taburetkin Thief Ruined the Army” is not curtailed, and events are also added to the case of Vasilyeva. And here is the finale - Russia turns out to have an excellent army and navy, missiles fly through several states, planes are effectively worked out in Syria. All this can be a well-planned operation of the GRU and in 20-30 years we can suddenly find out that Serdyukov and Vasilyeva carried out a very responsible task, under the direct supervision of the GDP and Shoigu and are those about which they did not write in the newspapers before. Wait and see.)))
    PS The CIA is not sitting around fools and Serdyukov would not have collapsed, they would not have believed something in reality. Well, the money, but was it?)))
    1. Jack-b 2 November 2015 13: 18 New
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      This is from the field of conspiracy theory. Everything is much simpler.
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      Quote: PV KGB of the USSR
      And if the plot is this:

      Quote: PV KGB of the USSR
      All this can be a well-planned GRU operation and in 20-30 years we can suddenly find out that Serdyukov and Vasilyeva carried out a very responsible task, under the direct supervision of the GDP and Shoigu

      Great story! Brothers Grimm and the CIA nervously smoke on the sidelines ...
      But do not stop. We must assume that there are more than a dozen GRU agents, for example, such as Khorshavin, Gaiser, Luzhkov, Gudkov (by the way), Skrynnik, etc. ... and do not forget the most important secret agent - Tolik Chubais.
      1. PV KGB of the USSR 2 November 2015 13: 43 New
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        Well, how then to explain that the army was falling apart, and, looking, are we ahead of the rest?))) There are no miracles! So under Yeltsin, the army was in f ** ne and suddenly blossomed in a couple of years ??? )))
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          And why minus-the army was under Yeltsin W ** PE! And this is a fact (not by hearsay I know, not from couch troops)! It's good that we have a president who pulled her out of there and revived!
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          So under Yeltsin, the army was in f ** ne and suddenly blossomed in a couple of years ???


          And Mr. Putin, how many years at the helm .. do not tell me? And as with him .... the army .. in what place was ???? wassat

          And the fact that she, this army ... began to transform, then “thank you” I must say to Galstukoed .. that I “popped up” on 08.08.08, and not somewhere in 10-12 years .. then it would be for sure .... "rodents" near Moscow .. stopped recourse

          And so .. "pecked the cock" in one place and immediately began .... "move" and "think" soldier
          1. PV KGB of the USSR 3 November 2015 09: 28 New
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            You are probably one of those who knows better than the president knows how to govern the country? From the category, take everything and share. Putin got the country in ruins and the fact that 08.08.08 we were able to do something is his direct merit. It is easier to water the swabs of power and assume that they are simply MUST AND OBLIGED. I have 100% confidence in the authorities, and if GDP does not raise Serdikov’s theme, then everything is going as it should. You need to look at things more widely, not always black is black and not always, then that truth is on the surface. You probably don’t play chess, only checkers.
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      Quote: PV KGB of the USSR
      and in 20-30 years we can suddenly find out that Serdyukov and Vasiliev performed a very responsible task, under direct supervision

      Do you yourself believe in what you wrote? If yes, then I’m just sorry for you, but I think you can see through the time specified by you hi
      1. PV KGB of the USSR 2 November 2015 14: 12 New
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        Do you yourself believe in what you wrote? If yes, then I’m just sorry for you, but I think you can see through hi

        I do not believe, I suppose. We can discuss anything, but ..., we do not know even 5% of all undercover games and combinations. You believed a year ago that Crimea will return? Or maybe someone 5 years ago would have believed that finally in our country such a feeling as patriotism would begin to develop again, when most of the gorlopans scolded our president? Or maybe 5-6 years ago we would have believed that Ukrainians would consider us aggressors (although there were already prerequisites then)? Once again, this is only a version! But the truth does not always lie on the surface! And sometimes the less realistic, the more true. hi
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          Quote: PV KGB of the USSR
          Once again, this is only a version! But the truth does not always lie on the surface! And sometimes the less realistic, the more true.

          Yes, here you are right about the truth, with us it’s not on the surface, but behind seven locks, in a bunker and still covered with earth hi
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      Quote: PV KGB of the USSR

      PV KGB of the USSR


      Today, 12: 33

      ↑ ↓


      And if the plot is this: To accumulate all that our army has now needed time, and our American "partners" would never allow us to actively carry out reform in the army. In place of the Minister of Defense they put a man who should look like a complete ignoramus in the army theme, and even a "thief." For a bigger scandal, according to legend, he needs a lover who helps him “plunder” the army and navy. American intelligence smokes quietly thinking that everything, here it is the end of the Russian army. In fact, in an environment of increased secrecy, the military-industrial complex begins to work, and personnel are being cleaned. There is little time, if the enemy suspects a catch, it can strike a country. Even with the advent of Shoigu, the project “Taburetkin Thief Ruined the Army” is not curtailed, and events are also added to the case of Vasilyeva. And here is the finale - Russia turns out to have an excellent army and navy, missiles fly through several states, planes are effectively worked out in Syria. All this can be a well-planned operation of the GRU and in 20-30 years we can suddenly find out that Serdyukov and Vasilyeva carried out a very responsible task, under the direct supervision of the GDP and Shoigu and are those about which they did not write in the newspapers before. We'll wait and see.))) PS In the CIA, not fools are sitting and Serdyukov would not have collapsed, they would not have believed something in reality. Well, the money, but was it?)))
























      I am 100% sure that the cover operation was carried out. The more I read the comments, the more I am convinced that Serdyukov “beat” according to the notion of the Minister of Defense that has prevailed in the military for decades. Serdyukov arrived in Baltiysk, looked gloomily, talked about the lands and left. Naturally with him "chic chmara." But what about the buffet? All his actions provoked the indignation of the military. This indignation poured into social networks and not only. And they are controlled not only by the FSB, but also viewed by Langley's equipment. Snowden said everything and gave materials on how the CIA and NSA computers work. Thus, a powerful disinformation curtain was created, which was supposed to create the appearance of collapse for our “partners." Serdyukov played great. And the photo, where Medvedev, GDP, and Anatoly take the parade while sitting, what is it worth? A "quarrel" Kudrin with Medvedev? As soon as he hinted at the multiply increased budget of the Moscow Region, he was immediately kicked out. And investigations are a farce. Everything was done to arouse indignation in the army. And in the Baltic Fleet quietly marched corvettes from the Yantar plant. Cottages were built for sailors at the terminals. Salary increased, but under the guise of "bribing sailors" by Putin. In a word, the country was used "in the dark."
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      Quote: PV KGB of the USSR

      PV KGB of the USSR


      Today, 12: 33

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      And if the plot is this: To accumulate all that our army has now needed time, and our American "partners" would never allow us to actively carry out reform in the army. In place of the Minister of Defense they put a man who should look like a complete ignoramus in the army theme, and even a "thief." For a bigger scandal, according to legend, he needs a lover who helps him “plunder” the army and navy. American intelligence smokes quietly thinking that everything, here it is the end of the Russian army. In fact, in an environment of increased secrecy, the military-industrial complex begins to work, and personnel are being cleaned. There is little time, if the enemy suspects a catch, it can strike a country. Even with the advent of Shoigu, the project “Taburetkin Thief Ruined the Army” is not curtailed, and events are also added to the case of Vasilyeva. And here is the finale - Russia turns out to have an excellent army and navy, missiles fly through several states, planes are effectively worked out in Syria. All this can be a well-planned operation of the GRU and in 20-30 years we can suddenly find out that Serdyukov and Vasilyeva carried out a very responsible task, under the direct supervision of the GDP and Shoigu and are those about which they did not write in the newspapers before. We'll wait and see.))) PS In the CIA, not fools are sitting and Serdyukov would not have collapsed, they would not have believed something in reality. Well, the money, but was it?)))
























      I am 100% sure that the cover operation was carried out. The more I read the comments, the more I am convinced that Serdyukov “beat” according to the notion of the Minister of Defense that has prevailed in the military for decades. Serdyukov arrived in Baltiysk, looked gloomily, talked about the lands and left. Naturally with him "chic chmara." But what about the buffet? All his actions provoked the indignation of the military. This indignation poured into social networks and not only. And they are controlled not only by the FSB, but also viewed by Langley's equipment. Snowden said everything and gave materials on how the CIA and NSA computers work. Thus, a powerful disinformation curtain was created, which was supposed to create the appearance of collapse for our “partners." Serdyukov played great. And the photo, where Medvedev, GDP, and Anatoly take the parade while sitting, what is it worth? A "quarrel" Kudrin with Medvedev? As soon as he hinted at the multiply increased budget of the Moscow Region, he was immediately kicked out. And investigations are a farce. Everything was done to arouse indignation in the army. And in the Baltic Fleet quietly marched corvettes from the Yantar plant. Cottages were built for sailors at the terminals. Salary increased, but under the guise of "bribing sailors" by Putin. In a word, the country was used "in the dark."
  • ancient 2 November 2015 18: 46 New
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    in short, Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, pay for the Syrian campaign of stolen money!


    Yeah .. the next "savior of the Fatherland" wassat

    Question to the author .. here honestly .. they don’t understand belay... your quote is - "I decided to write an article that will cause the ire of both the Kremlin bots and the fifth column. I want to play the role of the Devil’s Advocate for a man whom both of them hate - Anatoly Serdyukov."

    As far as I know .. "kremleboty" these are those that are only tongue и fellow for any reason and action .. "Kremlin" .. that’s why they should be angry at the appointment of Taburetkin? request
    Or do you naively assume that Mr. Chemezov did not agree on this appointment (or simply received an order from ... himself) what would ... be assigned? wassat

    So there you have how many “+” in the article ... some “Kremlin bots2 ...” will “degenerate”, and you say ... “anger”. lol

    Now, about the 5th column .. knowing what harm the stools did, the 5th column, on the contrary, will have to "squeak with joy" from .. another "successful re-formations" lol

    Well, the fact that you decided to become Taburetkin’s “lawyer”, while recalling that he used to be so honest and correct, but now .... that .. Ts “changed his shoes,” “changed color,” or .. on .... "contentment"?
    That's right ... you have to look ... "hde is warmer" wassat
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    MrK 2 November 2015 23: 26 New
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    "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"


    What nonsense. I served in the USSR Armed Forces, and then Russia for 37 years. Recent years under Serdyukov. For the fact that he did it to shoot a little. This is the opinion of all my colleagues and mine.
  • zenion 3 November 2015 16: 29 New
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    Of course, they are obliged to Serdyukov. How obliged to the Nazis for the victory in World War II.
  • the most important 2 November 2015 09: 54 New
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    For merit - a medal! For theft - a prison! For stupidity (the collapse of airfields, towns, military units, military schools ...) - contempt !!! Received medals, scorned a hack, it remains only in prison !!!
    1. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 12: 33 New
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      Quote: the most important
      (collapse of airfields,

      He gathered them in large airbases - convenient from the point of view of logistics .. but well laid down under the concept of Global Strike .. (
      1. the most important 2 November 2015 22: 17 New
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        One strike and no airbase ... three hits and no aviation in Russia ... but how can you fight from an airbase if there are, for example, two divisions ??? this is the same as sitting on one toilet for five.
        1. afdjhbn67 3 November 2015 01: 58 New
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          One strike and no airbase ... three hits and no aviation in Russia ... but how can you fight from an airbase if there are, for example, two divisions ??? this is the same as sitting on one toilet for five.

          So I wrote about the same thing hi
  • BEGA2015 2 November 2015 10: 30 New
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    Serdyukov began his work in the ministry with a major overhaul and replacement of marble and panels from precious wood with cheap, but for a lot of money. I recruited a staff of pretty girls and dressed them in an “improved” dress uniform according to the latest “army” fashion, attracting the best fashion designers of the capital. You can get tired of listing his innovations that have nothing to do with the work of the main army organ. An amateur in army science did nothing to increase the combat effectiveness of the army. A number of dubious but very expensive projects, including Mistral. Please, stop singing the praises of Mr. Taburetkin, because this nickname was not without reason strengthened in the army during his reign. And the successes in the army, including in the war in North Ossetia, were not due to, but contrary to his "activity", and they were achieved by the courage and work of the rank and file and officers, who performed their duty to the Motherland in accordance with charters, to which Serdyukov did not have no relation!
    1. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 10: 36 New
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      A number of dubious but very expensive projects, including Mistral.

      But about the “Mistral” - no need. The Minister of Defense does not solve such issues. Well, he can’t take it - and buy ships in the country of NATO. smile
      The Mistral decision was made by Mr. Dragon. And it was a payment for the position of France on 08.08.08.
  • marlin1203 2 November 2015 10: 45 New
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    Many more copies will be broken about this. But the military must remember exactly that monetary allowance was raised to a decent level precisely under Serdyukov. I don’t know because of him or not, but with him that's for sure. soldier
    1. Belousov 2 November 2015 11: 05 New
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      They raised monetary allowance because of the events during the election, so that they would be more loyal, in case of emergency, to use against the people. Or according to your increase in salaries in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. also merit Taburetkina?!?
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        I don’t remember something about the unrest in order to buy the “loyalty” of the army. And in the commentary he pointed out the usual and stubborn fact that monetary allowances were raised under Serdyukov. So what are the cons?
        1. podpolkovnik 2 November 2015 12: 32 New
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          Quote: marlin1203
          I don’t remember something about the unrest in order to buy the “loyalty” of the army. And in the commentary he pointed out the usual and stubborn fact that monetary allowances were raised under Serdyukov. So what are the cons?

          Yeah! And the procedure for calculating pensions for military personnel is the same. With a decreasing factor ...
          Thank you so much and low bow!
          Let me kiss you red slippers!
          Who is the last in line?
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            So I didn’t understand what they’ll be minded for ... some emotions ... what
    2. Belousov 2 November 2015 11: 05 New
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      They raised monetary allowance because of the events during the election, so that they would be more loyal, in case of emergency, to use against the people. Or according to your increase in salaries in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. also merit Taburetkina?!?
  • biznaw 2 November 2015 10: 51 New
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    104 against 111 for. I also put +.
    Because dialectics. If someone remembers from the course of Marxism-Leninism, what kind of thing is this. Or Razor Blade from Efremov.
  • Cherdak 2 November 2015 12: 47 New
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    So the first went

    In one I agree with the author - it's time to separate the flies from cutlets.
    In this regard, I like the Chinese - you need to calmly analyze them "without fanaticism" and fanfare.

    The official point of view of the Chinese Communist Party on the role that Mao Zedong played in the history of this country: the Great Helmsman was wrong by 30 percent in his activities.

    Still simple. The goals set are completed tasks. Now there is no analysis at all, but only journalistic snot and excesses.

    Something still reminds me of the "golden loaf" of Yanukovych and the "personal dachas, hospitals, spaceport and yachts" of Putin.
  • varov14 2 November 2015 15: 11 New
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    And what the author can do and is right, we, however, the majority is based on opinions, but you can write at least that way, at least that way. And the information in different sources is at least different but always biased.
  • mihasik
    mihasik 2 November 2015 16: 18 New
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    So the first went

    soldier belay love
    Alexander Chopov, Last name is interesting from the author. Why for example not Special Forces?)
  • AM10101946 2 November 2015 17: 43 New
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    It is beautifully written !!! As to the presentation for the award of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland !!! It must be judged !!!
  • maiman61 2 November 2015 19: 39 New
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    Serdyukov does not send to NATO! Those eggheads aren't capable of anything!
  • Uncle lee 2 November 2015 05: 32 New
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    Again this topic is Serdyukov the secret savior of the Russian Army!
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    2. Petrovich1952 2 November 2015 06: 20 New
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      Again this topic is Serdyukov, the secret savior of the Russian Army! And how do you like? He is a friend, moreover, a secretly sent Cossack to the Augean stables. Cleaned and you yell at him. It turns out he is a HERO in how.
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    3. Vladimir 70 2 November 2015 06: 46 New
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      Again this topic is Serdyukov the secret savior of the Russian Army!
      And here is "Serdyukov the secret savior of the Army of Russia"? the author clearly wrote - Serdyukov fulfilled his role and "gave way" to Shoigu to build a new Army.
      1. kenig1 2 November 2015 07: 57 New
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        If he hadn’t instructed his wife (daughter of Zubkov) and would continue to lead the horns.
        1. Egevich 2 November 2015 15: 36 New
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          Quote: kenig1
          If he hadn’t instructed his wife (daughter of Zubkov) and would continue to lead the horns.

          by the way. about the horns. only deer. the deer horns from Goering’s office, which were stored in the museum of the North Caucasian Military District, went to the cottage to the country house, they talk ... and some other interesting things, antique and rare, we won’t see in the museum anymore ...
      2. Aleksander 2 November 2015 09: 02 New
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        Quote: Vladimir 70
        clearly wrote - Serdyukov fulfilled his role and "gave way" to Shoigu to build a new Army.


        His role is criminal. Destroyed military academies, institutes, schools, design institutes and others. Fired thousands of professionals. BY COURT, much of this qualifies as a crime.
        Good deeds are not made in secret and crooked ways, especially in conditions of corruption and nepotism. This is a guarantee that there are not the best professionals left, but the craftsmen to "bring in", "signalmen", people who can splurge and the like, as well as wild theft.
        Would any of those present entrust their work to Serdyukov? Not to life!
        Calling 2008's army incompetent is complete incompetence! An army that went through two Chechen wars!
        And yet, with the funding of the army, which was under Serdyukov, houses for the military and new equipment should have been, I think, two times more ....
        1. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 10: 18 New
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          Calling 2008's army incompetent is complete incompetence! An army that went through two Chechen wars!

          The experience of the Chechen wars by 08.08.08 in the army was long ago and firmly put on the farthest shelf. Evidence of this is the circumstances of Khrulev’s wound: the next column in an uncharted area without communication and protection entered directly into an ambush. Exploration, gas processing facilities, head and side guards, helicopter escort of the convoy - forgotten as completely unnecessary things. It was lucky that they were Georgians ...

          In addition, no experience of the two Chechens could tell - how to act in the event that the enemy has air defense and air force. But the Charter and the instructions prescribing intelligence and organization of interaction were forgotten in the army. As a result, the Air Force sends single vehicles to the zone of unsuppressed enemy air defense, and the air defense of the enemy joyfully shoots at all that flies, knocking down its own ... At the same time, the district had the technical means to solve these two problems.
        2. TiRex 2 November 2015 11: 16 New
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          here we have (it was) in our region several design institutes on the balance of the Moscow Region, but only the director, the watchman, the locksmith (pipes to repair) and accounting remained from the whole institute. Well, traditions, of course, as without them. The rest is leased.
          Well, what's the point of such an institution?
      3. Aleksander 2 November 2015 09: 02 New
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        Quote: Vladimir 70
        clearly wrote - Serdyukov fulfilled his role and "gave way" to Shoigu to build a new Army.


        His role is criminal. Destroyed military academies, institutes, schools, design institutes and others. Fired thousands of professionals. BY COURT, much of this qualifies as a crime.
        Good deeds are not made in secret and crooked ways, especially in conditions of corruption and nepotism. This is a guarantee that there are not the best professionals left, but the craftsmen to "bring in", "signalmen", people who can splurge and the like, as well as wild theft.
        Would any of those present entrust their work to Serdyukov? Not to life!
        Calling 2008's army incompetent is complete incompetence! An army that went through two Chechen wars!
        And yet, with the funding of the army, which was under Serdyukov, houses for the military and new equipment should have been, I think, two times more ....
        1. TiRex 2 November 2015 11: 19 New
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          she was incompetent, there were mistakes in the sea, overlays and inconsistencies too ...
    4. Alekseev 2 November 2015 07: 12 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Again this topic is Serdyukov the secret savior of the Russian Army!

      Yes, either free or involuntary apologists of the thieving and lustful “savior” are enough.
      BUT ... "But let's analyze his actions without unnecessary emotions." article of an unsolicited lawyer.
      1. As for the "obese" gene.Khrulev, with whom, unlike the know-it-all author (ie, dunno), I had to serve for some time.
      Doesn’t it reach the brain that the commander knew that he didn’t really have a place in the advance detachment?
      Now it is known for certain that he received a command to advance to the advanced units? Why? Yes, so that, in which case, there was a ready responsible. And not some colonel who was supposed to be on staff, but personally, the lieutenant general, commander of the troops 58 A ...
      In the defeat of the Georgians, it was BTGr 58 A that played the main role, not the paratroopers, the East, which carried out the mopping-up operations, and not the militias and peacekeepers heroically defending themselves at local sites.
      Once perverts in one, then in the other too. yes
      2. Commander in chief of the Air Force on cell? What kind of nonsense? Cell phones were used sometimes in the troops, and this is not good. But the loss of aviation occurred because it was thrown into battle suddenly, without first of all preparing electronic warfare and suppressing air defense. Who is to blame for not going to fight with Sahaka? Well, probably not only the Air Force Commander.
      3. "... I cleaned the department from the generals, who are used to the fact that soldiers are free labor for building summer cottages."
      Together with the normal and scored women who began to steal in such a way that no dachas are good enough.
      4. Silly hatreds - they say "polite people" are stronger than all armies. What, in the Crimea there were military operations?
      What spetsnaz brigade can replace the combined arms formation, which are now just beginning to rebuild?
      That an air group gathered from all over the country in Syria (a mixed regiment, two) in the absence of air defense is a great achievement, inaccessible to either the United States, NATO or the PRC?
      Where are our mob.resources? Where is the established work of the military command bodies in the field? According to Perdyukov, they didn’t need to say that it was expensive, but about 2000 km of the border with Bandera Ukraine, he, the audience with his henchman Makarka, did not think ... request
      Yes, work is underway on rearmament, which was conducted not in Perdyuk, but Rogozin and others, but the funds were allocated, not Perdyukov, not his personal and not his women, but folk.
      The strengthening of the armed forces has not yet plowed the field of work. And farts are just an unsuccessful start to this very work.
      And do not insinuate. no laughing
      1. Altona 2 November 2015 07: 49 New
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        .Head of the Air Force commanded on cell? What kind of nonsense?

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        For some reason, I recalled how the Air Force educational institutions were abolished and moved outside the boundaries of the city of Moscow ... Probably, in order to "reduce the corruption component", tidy building complexes were cleaned up like that ... And from two institutes they created the "Zhugarin Academy" ...
      2. kenig1 2 November 2015 08: 06 New
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        But the loss of aircraft occurred because she was thrown into battle suddenly
        I’ll say for sure that a combat order for the use of aviation was prepared after 2 days of warfare.
      3. andj61 2 November 2015 08: 20 New
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        Quote: Alekseev
        As for the "obese" gene. Khrulev, with whom, unlike the know-it-all author (i.e., the dunno), I had to serve for some time.

        good hi Many sources skipped that it was the commander of the 58th army who was the key figure in making the decision on Georgia - Putin was in Beijing at the orchestra of the Olympics, Serdyukov was on a cruise with his mobile phone turned off (!), The chief of the General Staff asked to wait until the situation clears up, and Medvedev hesitated. The Roki tunnel and its entrance from the side of South Ossetia ordered Khrulev to be occupied, and he gave the command to advance the advance group to Tskhinval. How he himself appeared there is a mystery, but there is a lot of evidence that it was Medvedev who gave him the order to be in the advance group.
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          , Serdyukov was on a cruise with his mobile phone turned off (!)

          Why are you tearing your heart defenders Serdyukov
          hit right under your breath mercilessly .. laughing
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            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Quote: andj61
            , Serdyukov was on a cruise with his mobile phone turned off (!)

            Why are you tearing your heart defenders Serdyukov
            hit right under your breath mercilessly .. laughing



            Well, you give ... Yes, it was another HP !!!
        2. Egevich 2 November 2015 16: 08 New
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          Quote: Alekseev
          As for the "obese" gene. Khrulev, with whom, unlike the know-it-all author (i.e., the dunno), I had to serve for some time.

          good hi Many sources skipped that it was the commander of the 58th army who was the key figure in making the decision on Georgia - Putin was in Beijing at the orchestra of the Olympics, Serdyukov was on a cruise with his mobile phone turned off (!), The chief of the General Staff asked to wait until the situation clears up, and Medvedev hesitated. The Roki tunnel and its entrance from the side of South Ossetia ordered Khrulev to be occupied, and he gave the command to advance the advance group to Tskhinval. How he himself appeared there is a mystery, but there is a lot of evidence that it was Medvedev who gave him the order to be in the advance group.


          Egevich EU June 20, 2014 13:07 | Summary from Igor Strelkov marked URGENT (full version)
          Quote: Prometey
          Want to reveal a secret? The decision to send troops to Georgia was made by Medvedev as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief at that time and President of the Russian Federation. Putin was not even in Moscow and he was notified of the decision made at a meeting of our Security Council later. Therefore, liberal Medvedev at that time was tougher than authoritarian Putin.
          it would be better if you kept silent than revealed such a secret ... the decision to send troops was made by the Commander of the troops of the South-Eastern Military District and Commander 58A, based on the situation, for which they later nearly paid ...
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            Egevich EU June 20, 2014 13:07 | Summary from Igor Strelkov marked URGENT (full version)

            Link to link, link chases ....
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        Quote: Alekseev
        But the loss of aviation occurred because it was thrown into battle suddenly, without first of all preparing electronic warfare and suppressing air defense. Who is to blame for not going to fight with Sahaka? Well, probably not only the Air Force Commander.


        Not in defense of Serdyukov, but in terms of objectivity
        I would like to note that during the war 08.08.08. aviation not only suffered unjustified losses ... There, the troops simply did not have the proper aviation support on the battlefield, the Air Force Commander in charge
        not having time to adequately respond to a rapidly changing environment ...
        And why - yes, because in 2003, army aviation, contrary to the experience of the Afghan war and categorical objections of specialists, was transferred to the Air Force and the land pilots lost their aviation (I think the functions of army aviation are known), that's why TU-22 is the leading airborne reconnaissance ..
        Only this "ingenious" decision was made not by the notorious Serdyukov, but by the former Minister of Defense S. Ivanov, who is now safely in the post of head of the Presidential Administration.
        After the conflict with Georgia, army aviation, of course, was returned to the Ground Forces, so to speak, once again heroically overcome the difficulties created by their own hands ...
        So you don’t have to hang all the dogs on Serdyukov, he has enough of his sins and don’t have to hang strangers on him ....
        But I believe that the country, along with Serdyukov, should know the names of its other "heroes" .. hi
        1. Sergej1972 2 November 2015 11: 47 New
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          In my opinion, army aviation is still part of the Air Force (VKS).
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        Quote: Alekseev
        The strengthening of the armed forces has not yet plowed the field of work. And farts are just an unsuccessful start to this very work.
        And do not insinuate.

        RIGHT article analysis and accurate conclusion, thanks hi
      7. afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 14: 37 New
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        And do not insinuate

        Reinforced Concrete Arguments good
        Judging by the comments of the opponents, there is nothing to say hi
      8. Alexandr-NVR 2 November 2015 17: 30 New
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        I also "boiled" by reading this heresy.
        The author is far from the army, but knowledge of the army from the inside is not required to sculpt such an order. First, I wanted to sort through the frank incompetence of the “devil's advocate”, as the author colorfully called himself, but the reasoned analysis of the article would have taken 2-3 times more than the “work” itself.
        In general, it is useless to explain something to the author. He - fulfilled the order. He performed it crookedly, stupidly, superficially, what is popularly called "tyap-lyap" and does not interest anyone's opinion. This is a monologue that does not imply any discussion. This kept you from answering in your style. smile
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        free, or involuntary apologists of the thieving and lustful "savior" are enough.

        Bravo. Do not decrease, do not add.
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      ! (The author sincerely pleased)

      Yeah... laughing clearly pleased, just licked laughing about hpppppppp
      and still this quote: "our army was barely able to win the war against Georgia."
      the author apparently plays cards ..., stratechhh, damn it ....
      my miiinus is unlikely to reflect the whole gamut of feelings in relation to author ...
      into the furnace of such writers! into the furnace! am negative
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        Yeah...

        Oh, you're a Kremlin boat and the fifth column .. in one bottle ... laughing
        rise above my comment read .. (as advertisements) laughing
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          Oh you kremlebot and the fifth column .. in one bottle

          I’m also a “white bell”, such a damn, explosive mixture laughing and sometimes, when I want to make a “ku” and describe myself with happiness when I see kremlyady in a zombodroscope, I with all the proletarian fury go on the aits of my own sterkhovy song belay
          And mohhhh continues to repeat We are not slaves! Slaves are NOT WE!
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      3. creak 2 November 2015 13: 19 New
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        In my opinion, army aviation is still part of the Air Force (VKS).


        No, in 2010 the army aviation was transferred to the subordination of the commanders of the USC (districts) of the Ground Forces.
        For the Air Force (VKS) there were only questions of combat training.
    6. Good me 2 November 2015 08: 52 New
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      Again this topic is Serdyukov the secret savior of the Russian Army!


      W-oh-oh ... And you all wonder: For whom, yes for whom, Putin, if so, leave the state ... What is not an example of dedication and other, very, very secret benefactors?

      Do not despair, Russia, the savior Serdyukov is coming! We, all, will have happiness and prosperity ...
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        Do not despair, Russia, the savior Serdyukov is coming! We, all, will have happiness and prosperity ...
    7. Loner_53 2 November 2015 10: 57 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Again this topic is Serdyukov the secret savior of the Russian Army!

      Vladimir think correctly hi How vehemently they began to otmazyvat. And it would not be easier to decree the government monument in the style of "statues of liberty"
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    Already after Serdyukov’s resignation, he read an article (unfortunately, I cannot find it now) that he did the impossible with the Ministry of Defense - he cleaned the department from the generals


    Yeah, and put their crooks in their place .... than SERDYUKOV is better than them .... the author is a little cunning ...

    But I agree that SERDYUKOV was used as a tool for solving sensitive problems .... and I probably gave him guarantees of inviolability at the highest level ... the only way I can explain its jurisdiction to our law.

    Hehe and me brains soar that the law is the same for everyone.
    1. Private IITR 2 November 2015 08: 18 New
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      In some ways, the author is right, Putin would not have allowed him back into power if he had such a radish
      1. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 41 New
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        And if you think about it? There, above, there is a whole garden of such radishes and it is time to weed.
      2. Tambov Wolf 2 November 2015 10: 24 New
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        Putin has in power how many rogue sits, eh? How many he kicked out? He throws it from place to place in order to steal in different ways, in one - rubles, in another - dollars, in the third - land, in the fourth - buildings and constructions, etc. Variety is obtained. And thieves are pleased, it doesn’t have to be spent on anything. This is not the Russian people, but they don’t give up their own.
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        Why is it covering him?
        Yes, because the Commander-in-Chief is personally responsible for the actions of the one he appointed.
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      Hehe and me brains soar that the law is the same for everyone.
  • ML-334 2 November 2015 05: 36 New
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    In fact, the author is right. Recently I got minuses for the Mistral, but in my common sense I think I'm right. Good luck!
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      Quote: The same Lech
      But I agree that Serdyukov was used as a tool for solving sensitive problems

      Quote: ML-334
      In fact, the author is right. Recently I got minuses for the Mistral, but in my common sense I think I'm right. Good luck!
      - I do not like Serdyukov, but it also seems to me that the author of the subject is somewhere in the right. Reorganizing the power body and taking the anger of the generals upon themselves is also not sugar. And therefore, surely, guarantees were given to him ... And about the "poetess" - so after all, guarantees were given to him personally, but there were no guarantees about the lovers of the bazaar laughing laughing In any case, there is a result, in any case, Shoigu did not cancel much, canceled only the most odious ones - moving military establishments, etc., purchasing foreign equipment, etc.
      Let him walk what is called. He also won’t envy him, and now he’s a mistress in prison, he feels himself a used condom, used to do dirty work and threw pieces of paper from hell to the post of Rostec middle manager laughing Let it go, damn it
      1. Sling cutter 2 November 2015 07: 54 New
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        . Reorganizing the power body and taking the anger of the generals upon themselves is also not sugar.

        yeah, handsome and hey
      2. Karabanov 2 November 2015 09: 08 New
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        Let it go, damn it
      3. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 44 New
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        You are a good person.
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      5. creak 2 November 2015 11: 03 New
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        Quote: aksakal
        in any case, Shoigu did not cancel much, canceled only the most odious ones - moving military establishments and so on, purchasing foreign equipment, etc.



        Did Shoigu cancel the decision to move universities - what about moving the Strategic Missile Forces Academy from Moscow to Balashikha and setting up another VUNC there, like under Serdyukov ...
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          Well, I think that in the near future Balashitha, like a part of the Moscow region, will inevitably become part of Moscow. Everything goes to this. The unification of Moscow and the near Moscow region is inevitable.
      6. BARKHAN 2 November 2015 20: 10 New
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        Dear aksakal, in such cases I always cite A. Vlasov as an example ...
        He proved himself during the defense of Moscow - he was awarded, then he betrayed his homeland - he was hanged ... And no confusion, believe me.
        What he did good at his post was his work, a routine, so to speak. He received a salary for this. And the fact that he himself stole and created the thieves' community is already life-long. And these two stories do not overlap in the head from citizens. People are not stupid, believe me. If a doctor of science steals a wallet, he also sits down like a pickpocket. No preferences. And this is fair. And any attempt to whitewash him now is perceived as a spit on the people.
    2. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 42 New
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      Why do we need Mistals, can you clearly explain? Where are you going to land? And the author is a supernumerary slime. I looked in the internet - I did not find one in Yandex.
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        Why do we need Mistals, can you clearly explain? Where are you going to land?


        And can you clearly explain on what the troops and equipment were transferred to the same Latakia? You can’t throw everything by air, I know this firsthand, I had to participate in something myself ...
        Yes, on the same far from new BDKs, of which we have very few and dry cargo ships ... And a universal landing ship of the Mistral type would not be out of place for this ...
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          I want to add to the above that the Mistral can carry 12 heavy or 32 light helicopters even to the battalion of the Marine Corps - after landing it can be used as a control point, floating base or hospital ...
          I hope my explanation is quite intelligible - especially not the fact that the operation in Latakia is extreme ...
          So we will live by the principle - until the thunder strikes ...
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            The Mistral can carry 12 heavy or 32 light helicopters even to the Marine Corps battalion - after landing it can be used as a command post, floating base or hospital ...

            Maybe someone argues .. the Egyptians ....
        3. NordUral 2 November 2015 11: 41 New
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          Ground forces in Syria do not need to be led, there will be either a second Afghanistan, only more terrible than the first, or we will play a game before World War II.
          And for the transfer of equipment and weapons, there are transport ships.
          Our country has other tasks - the defense of its territories and assistance to the military-technical allies. For this, landing ships are not required.
      2. Tambov Wolf 2 November 2015 10: 29 New
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        Interestingly, I put you a plus, a minus flew out. Do we have it moderated the other way around? And where should there be a plus, it’s zero. Or again with the general line the pros and cons themselves are put.
      3. Alexey RA 2 November 2015 10: 50 New
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        Why do we need Mistals, can you clearly explain? Where are you going to land?

        And why does the marine corps regularly practice landing on exercises? smile

        “Mistral” we needed for two reasons:

        "Military" - to quickly get new ships and begin to develop a new tactic for us to use (and in general the concept of "remote" landing). Because landing with the help of the BDK in the presence of an enemy, at least minimally superior to the Georgians, will lead to a large meat grinder on the approach to the beach. Huge boxes slowly crawling to the shore, packed with people and equipment, are just targets for all BO weapons, including ATGMs and mortars.
        Plus, the Mistral could provide airborne support to airborne helicopters - something that the Marines had never had before.

        "Technical" - give our design bureau documentation on a "live" ship. So that they do not cook in their own juice, designing castles on the basis of fuzzy data from unverified sources.
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          The question is different - why should we drop somewhere? We need to defend ourselves against real threats, and not climb to fight abroad.
          These launches by "calibers" showed what kind of ships we needed, for example, and not these floating and unnecessary targets.
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            Quote: NordUral
            The question is different - why should we drop somewhere? We need to defend ourselves against real threats, and not climb to fight abroad.

            Well, ask the Marines a question - why do they conduct landing exercises annually? smile

            What about do not go to war abroad - Actually, we are already fighting abroad. wink
            Quote: NordUral
            These launches by "calibers" showed what kind of ships we needed, for example, and not these floating and unnecessary targets.

            Ah ha ha ... the order of RTOs of caliber carriers for the Caspian Sea and, in general, the concept of arming the Caspian flotilla with Kyrgyz carriers is Serdyukov. But how then they watered the MO for completely unnecessary and redundant RTOs in the closed sea ...
  • xavbek7 2 November 2015 05: 37 New
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    If you follow the logic of the author, then "Boriske drunk", too, I must say thank you. For the "good nineties."
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      And to Hunchback for pots in the defense industry. It turns out that everyone around is fools.
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        It turns out that everything around is fools

        no, only you and I ... what
      2. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 46 New
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        Isn’t that so? Recall how worried about Boris. I am ashamed of my stupidity. It is a pity that the GKChP members turned out to be insignificant.
    2. Jack-b 2 November 2015 06: 15 New
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      With logic you are tight. Serdyukov left behind a reformed army, which worked out in the Crimea a year later and worked out in Syria a year later. And for what do you want to say thank you to Boriske drunk?
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        Kamrad, I’ll tell you so, if Ivanov or even Marshal Sergeyev had such funding for the army and carte blanche from the Supreme, then we would now have an army several orders of magnitude more powerful! Not like Crimea, so-so operation is not Amin’s palace they would have taken in a foreign country and not Grozny, packed with inveterate fighters and armed to the teeth with Saudi Arabia ... Alaska and California could have been attached. The army from the very beginning of the 90s did not crawl out of armed conflicts: Transnistria, Dagestan, two Chechnya, South Ossetia has everywhere fulfilled its tasks, with the most meager financing and the lack of everything, and even with the constant betrayal of politicians ...
        1. Jack-b 2 November 2015 12: 47 New
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          They say history does not know the subjunctive mood. Judge for yourself. Knowing that reform of the army and increased funding are brewing, Ivanov is being exchanged for Serdyukov. At the same time, Ivanov is not thrown out of the cage, he goes to deputy chairmen. Those. Ivanov didn’t fault anyone, they simply thought that he would not be able to do this for some reason. If we exclude from the reasons that moment that Serdyukov could better cope with the reforms and assume that Ivanov did this at least as well, then what were the reasons for changing the price of soap? Serdyukov more thieves than Ivanov? Does he give more kickbacks than Ivanov? Is he a closer relative than Ivanov?
          1. Finches 2 November 2015 18: 01 New
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            But didn’t you think that Ivanov was just a friend and he wasn’t set up under public opinion while maintaining his authority? Or the fact that Ivanov simply answered, no, I won’t do it, don’t pi ... s! But they told Serdyukov - work hard and earn full confidence? Serdyukov did something and was digested, but what I like about the Supreme, he doesn’t give up his team, even moral freaks, but who personally didn’t let him down, it is respectable ... Here Joseph Visarionovich consistently removed stupid and presumptuous performers .... Who of these, history has made more judgments for Russia, but I express my opinion of a person from military service to Lieutenant Colonel (today) who have given good years of youth to the service, I may not be quite right, but ...- Serdyukov is a traitor to national interests and his The reforms were not aimed at the benefit of the Motherland, but solely for the benefit of his pocket and his peace! All that he did was exclusively criminal !!!!

            I have the honor! soldier
            1. afdjhbn67 3 November 2015 02: 33 New
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              Serdyukov did something and was digested, but what I like about the Supreme, he doesn’t give up his team, even moral freaks, but who didn’t let him down personally, it inspires respect

              This is his misfortune and the main mistake, beaten and corny, but “Suite makes the king” .. people don’t really like (softly) the people and it began to be broadcast on Putin ,, A living example, I myself if relatively recently I was ready to applaud standing by looking for all the motivation, both in the government and in the Kremlin, I began to have questions about the loss of Putin’s passionarity and the beginning of a new “stagnation” which I personally am grateful for a happy childhood (now I begin to understand ..) but which led to subsequent events - the collapse of the country, restoration capitalism in its ugliest form, etc. hi
              and agree with the rest
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        Have you joked about stools?
  • Finches 2 November 2015 05: 37 New
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    "A thief should sit in jail!" - for some reason, this phrase always comes to mind at the mention of this gentleman! This time. There was a second army in 2008, and it carried out the assigned tasks, but it was different, not quite dressed and with old weapons, but ready for war! After passing through the crucible of two Chechen companies! In 5 days to put to flight the NATO litter-it should mean something! 20 professionals left the army for 100 unsuitable servicemen, and many officers with unique combat experience keep silent about military education - there is no old one, the new one has not been built yet and reaping the fruits of this reform for another 8 years ... Serdyukov did his job - he cut it off alive and I broke the Soviet system in the army wherever I could ... Anyway, I personally will never respect him or love him, even if thousands of “lawyers” write acquittal pamphlets and sing praises from morning till night! You won’t wash a black male until white. ..
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      I now fully agree with Zyablitsov, so you can set my cons too ...
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      I’ll add: how many military institutes did I multiply by zero? In Chelyabinsk, there are as many as two automobile and tank. And they delivered good shots. Is that the same merit? negative
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        Quote: Angara
        I’ll add: how many military institutes did I multiply by zero? In Chelyabinsk, there are as many as two automobile and tank. And they delivered good shots. Is that the same merit?

        I will add from myself - in Ordzhonikidze (Nana Vladikavkaz) there were three military schools, and now not a single one. But there was a good base there, taking into account mountain tactics, which, based on the nature of the conduct of the latest military operations (along the way and forthcoming), is relevant for the army.
        It turns out that this "reformer" stupidly cut military schools without taking into account the needs of the army.
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          And I will add about military education, with your permission!

          Before Serdyukov it was (if I'm not lying):

          15 academies, 4 universities, 46 institutes and schools.

          Now:

          9 academies, 1 university, 3 educational and research centers, 11 institutes and schools.
      2. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 50 New
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        Looking from which side to look ... If because of two puddles, then a very big achievement.
    3. NordUral 2 November 2015 09: 49 New
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      I subscribe to your words. All thieves should be in prison and will, I have no doubt, when the people get out.
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      ... the army was in 2008, and it fulfilled the tasks ...
      Fulfilled, despite the stupid orders because of the distant lands of the chiefs who did not fight, but with big stars.
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      if thousands of "lawyers"

      Yes, the author did not pull the devil into a lawyer .. and Serdyukov also does not pull on such a hellish role - an ordinary bureaucrat who was snickering from impunity, seized power due to circumstances ..
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    The expression of the author, "commander of the 58th Army," says a lot. So call the commander can only shpak. There is nothing further to read. The usual liberal chatter.
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      Totally agree with you! hi
    2. Same lech 2 November 2015 05: 44 New
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      [quote] [quote] In that war, the obese commander of the 58th Army was wounded, as he rushed to Tskhinval on the Volga almost without cover and was ambushed

      [/ Quote]
      How can I say so .... all the same, this officer was injured and not the author of the article ....
      honestly, I can’t take such an author seriously ... a badly respected author to humiliate an officer.
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        ... a badly respected author to humiliate an officer ...
        Not everyone who wears epaulettes with big stars deserves to be called an officer.
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      In that war, an obese 58 Army commander was wounded, as he rushed to Tskhinval on the Volga almost without cover and was ambushed, in which several of our guys posthumously became “Heroes of Russia”, covering up the journalists who were to cover the victorious entry of the general to the capital of South Ossetia.

      The author of the article trampled into the mud not only the military general, but the soldiers who served under his command. Where are only such .... born on Russian land? :(
  • Zomanus 2 November 2015 05: 41 New
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    An interesting look ...
    Met articles with similar content.
    More about the provision of military housing, the author forgot to write,
    it also began under Serdyukov.
  • N-SKiy 2 November 2015 05: 42 New
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    I am not (not) an exception. If you look through my FB in the years when he was a minister, then you will immediately see that I have repeatedly published over critical articles about him.

    You work out the gingerbread or become a liberalist.
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    Muddy question. We will never know the details.
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    What can an accountant do in MO ...? It's like sending Volochkov to a lathe ... but there must have been something positive ... If the engine stuck, but the car washes regularly, it looks good too but does not go ...
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      Send Volochkova to the lathe

      Interesting idea! And to the foot of the dynamo, let it produce electricity! wassat
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      .If the engine is stuck on the car, but the car is regularly washed, then it also looks good, but does not go ...

      If you put to such a car, even Volochkova, even an accountant, even Taburetkin, even an academician in physical sciences, he will not go anywhere anyway. There will only be dances with tambourines. Only a simple locksmith will help, and ideally a mechanic.
      As soon as Vasiliev was released, articles such as from the cornucopia rained down. negative
  • svp67 2 November 2015 05: 50 New
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    "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"
    Well, the whitening of black has begun. No, the author is wrong, everything that happened, namely, to “polite people” and the videoconferencing, we do not owe to Serdyukov, but to those people who, in spite of Serdyukov, retained a “combat-ready core”. And if there weren’t “bad reforms and actions” Serdyukov and more we would have been “polite” and VKS could act with greater forces
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      Quote: svp67
      "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"
      Well, the whitening of black has begun. No, the author is wrong, everything that happened, namely, to “polite people” and the videoconferencing, we do not owe to Serdyukov, but to those people who, in spite of Serdyukov, retained a “combat-ready core”. And if there weren’t “bad reforms and actions” Serdyukov and more we would have been “polite” and VKS could act with greater forces

      Seryoga, it's five! S +! Hi.. hi
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      Quote: svp67
      "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"
      Well, the whitening of black has begun. No, the author is wrong, everything that happened, namely, to “polite people” and the videoconferencing, we do not owe to Serdyukov, but to those people who, in spite of Serdyukov, retained a “combat-ready core”. And if there weren’t “bad reforms and actions” Serdyukov and more we would have been “polite” and VKS could act with greater forces

      Here is an accurate and correct estimate! The one who preserved and strengthened the army did contrary to Serdyukov!
      Comment 10000000 + !!!!
      And do not excuse Serdyukov: he was engaged in finances, the harem, he did not care about the army.
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        It was - to destroy it was his business, what is there to fint.
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      Despite the Serdyukov saved

      Those. according to your army sample 2006g. was quite capable of conducting operations like the Crimean and Syrian with the same efficiency?
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        Quote: Jack-B
        Quote: svp67
        Despite the Serdyukov saved

        Those. according to your army sample 2006g. was quite capable of conducting operations like the Crimean and Syrian with the same efficiency?

        and what, in the Crimea there were databases ??? and in Syria they would have done, in Afghanistan they could have no Syria? (XP, lick a bit, and blame the army ...)
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          and what, in the Crimea there were databases ??? and in Syria they would have done, in Afghanistan they could have no Syria? (XP, lick a bit, and blame the army ...)

          In Afghanistan they could, but after five years they couldn’t do anything in Chechnya in 1994. In 2008, the idea was to have an easy walk, but "something went wrong." In Crimea, the database was not only due to the perfectly performed operation, they worked secretly and proactively. It’s too early to speak about Syria by and large, let’s look at the result. But while the Syrian operations have a much better impression than, say, the second Chechen one.
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            You yourself would have walked there then, I would have looked at you.
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            Quote: Jack-B
            In Afghanistan they could, but after five years they couldn’t do anything in Chechnya in 1994. In 2008, the idea was to have an easy walk, but "something went wrong." In Crimea, the database was not only due to the perfectly performed operation, they worked secretly and proactively. It’s too early to speak about Syria by and large, let’s look at the result. But while the Syrian operations have a much better impression than, say, the second Chechen one.

            Let me give you some comments on your comment, Dear Eugene. As for the Chechen war and the Georgian conflict, the Russian Armed Forces are at least ridiculous to blame what happened at the initial stages of these military operations. For the Army is not an independent organism, it is a state authority designed to implement state policy in matters of its defense. At the time of the beginning of the Chechen war, the state was unable to control anything, as a result of which the Army had to take on functions completely uncharacteristic of it, as a result of which, having gone through the path of the hardest losses and mistakes, the Army was able to drive the enemy into the mountains and was ready to destroy it, but was betrayed again by the leaders. In the Georgian conflict, the situation is even more paradoxical, at the time of the decision, not a single leader was either "not in place", or as a result of a stupor, they could not make decisions. And again, the Army took over the functions of the state, and it is not known how events would have developed at all, do not take the initiative of the "obese" General Khrulyov. Not in the Army. The fact is that at the beginning of these events it can be said, to paraphrase one historical character, in the chairs of the leaders were people who were capable of only sitting in them but incapable of leadership.

            Something like that, dear colleagues. hi soldier
            PS The author of the article is far from understanding the problems of the Armed Forces, a typical spack! negative
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              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              The Russian Armed Forces are at least ridiculous to blame what happened at the initial stages of these military operations

              Let me disagree. What does "ridiculous" mean? You write:
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              At the time the Chechen war began, the state was not able to control anything, as a result of which the Army had to take on functions completely uncharacteristic of it

              What functions in that war did the army take upon itself that were not characteristic of it? The army began to rule the state? Yes, the order to storm Grozny without proper preparation was criminally wrong. But the Army did not have a normal command that could explain this miscalculation to the country's leadership. The command of the army could not plan and ensure this operation. The command of the army threw unburnt boys into hell. This is precisely the problem of the army. It is difficult to blame her for this, because as you rightly said, there were big problems in the state, and the army is part of our state with all the consequences. But in light of the topic of the article, we must admit that the army was in deep decline at that moment. And it was not able to conduct normal hostilities. The difference between the army of the 1994 model is clearly seen. and 2015g.
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                The command of the army threw unburnt boys into hell.


                Eugene, the order to start the war was born in a drunken brain, at that time the main shit of the Russian Federation, and he executed by the fact that they were able to "scrape together" at that time. It is understandable who suggested the idea to Borka, but this issue requires a separate discussion. If, in a nutshell, Pasha, in essence, was not a minister, in the state sense, he was a “guard watchman,” he was the guarantor of security and loyalty of the Army. Well, I won’t repeat the rest, colleague. hi
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                  Quote: Vladimir 1964
                  Eugene, the order to start the war was born in a drunken brain, at that time the main shit of the Russian Federation, and he executed by the fact that they were able to "scrape together" at that time.

                  The problem is that the army, for its part, has made the maximum possible for the notorious New Year events in Grozny. To enter a potentially hostile city, go to the train station - and get up without worrying about guarding and monitoring the terrain - how is this?
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        Not. In 2006, the army is already half the trouble. In 1999, the GDP, having neither the strength, nor the time, nor the money, nor the resources to reform the army, did the only thing possible: it gathered everything that was more or less combat-ready in one heap, just as little smoldering firebrands were brought together, it caught fire on the sly. In fact, before the reforms, there were two parallel armies, a rotting corpse of the SA and a very small group of the Southern Federal District. It is fully operational, mobile, sinewy, only poorly equipped. And Khrulev, I bet with the author! - It worked quite worthily. And everything else is not the “2006 Army.” this is the army of the 1st Chechen. Remember the dirty, puny "conscripts" on all TV channels? Remember the victorious generals of the Soviet flood? Was there at least one fit for something? And after all, schools graduated from which you sob so inconsolably! And remember the bearded, mighty handsome Mujahideen from Chechnya? You want to say that this could somehow change by itself? You better about Santa Claus, this is a much smaller fairy tale. And about "I would have such funding." Without oil money “zero”, of course, nothing would have happened. But you can miscalculate ANY money. Even without malice. Just out of mediocrity and inability.
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        Those. according to your army sample 2006g. was quite capable of conducting operations like the Crimean and Syrian with the same efficiency?

        No, I was not capable. But she was able to turn the tide and win the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, and again, despite the actions of Serdyukov. I really hope that his unseemly deeds in the first hours of this conflict, when much was decided, will nevertheless become known not only to the general public, but also to the investigating authorities ... although there is less and less hope for this, but THANKS to the Russian soldier and officer that they are able to emerge victors from the most difficult situations. And having such soldiers and officers, Shoigu simply added modern methods of command and support, and showed the army that she was not “my green men” (A. Serdyukov), but the country really needed and thanks to this, “polite people” appeared.
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    since he rushed to Tskhinval on the Volga almost without cover and was ambushed

    nonsense, the battle was with the headquarters column, and everything happens in war.

    or we realize that such processes do not happen so quickly, and, therefore, “Polite people” and fashionable airborne pilots in the Syrian sky, we are obliged, including Serdyukov’s reforms.


    And I realize that it could have been even cooler if you had appointed Shoigu earlier.

    But this is if you think and analyze.


    Author! Where is the analysis in the article?

    negative
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      Author! Where is the analysis in the article?


      What other analysis am then they don’t smell close ...
      the author clearly said ...

      I decided to write an article that will cause the ire of both the “Kremlin bots” and the “fifth column”


      that is, he recorded us in Kremlin boats and the fifth column .... is it an analyst what

      The analyst has a completely different task ..... to reveal the essence of finding the cause and effect ... this is not here.
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        Quote: Denis DV
        Author! Where is the analysis in the article?

        Quote: The same Lech
        What other analysis doesn’t it smell like ...

        Yes, kaaak smells! Just analyzes for worms. Article with a choke. laughing
        Quote: The same Lech
        I decided to write an article that will cause the ire of both the “Kremlin bots” and the “fifth column”

        that is, he recorded us in Kremlin boats and the fifth column .... is it an analyst

        I recalled the words from Talkov’s song: “And the goons” from the rostrum “are bombarded by the most important in the world of rednecks!” hi
    2. Andrey Yuryevich 2 November 2015 06: 10 New
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      Author! Where is the analysis in the article?

      article itself- "analyzes" ...
      He spent huge federal money on actually taking bribes to transfer the sons of generals who did not know anything about military art to other non-military posts in order to leave real pros in the Moscow Region.
      neighing ...
      But everyone who understands the slowness and slowness of such a colossus as the Russian Army cannot help but realize that without Serdyukov’s reforms there would be no “Polite People”
      I laugh again ... (after "polite people" after the Serdyukovschina, they urgently changed clothes and changed their shoes, forgot how did Shoigu drag out "fashion designers"? And so on ... nonsense, medical stations, airfields, specialists, military schools, he didn’t destroy it .. .aga ...
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      And I realize that it could have been even cooler if you had appointed Shoigu earlier.

      And where did you get that Shoigu would do better? Does it inspire confidence in you that there were no such attacks in the media on Shoigu as on Serdyukov? What do you know about the Ministry of Emergencies of the Shoigu era? My friends worked and work in the Ministry of Emergencies, so they can tell a lot about how they bought snowmobiles, boats and much more, supposedly for work, but they don’t go to work. Settled on the mansions for amusement "of the highest party composition." And after that you will tell me that Shoigu could reform the army better than Serdyukov?
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        My friends worked and work in the Ministry of Emergencies, so they can tell a lot

        she raced over the bumps! "I have friends" blah blah blah! and add: one grandmother said! “what is your evidence?” (some old movie with Arnold Sh.) laughing
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          What is your evidence?

          Well, if we talk about evidence, then let's start with the evidence according to Serdyukov. The article is about him. The court did not find evidence. Do you have anything against him? Or "blah blah blah"? I believe my friends, it makes no sense for me to lie on this topic. And what are your reasons for not trusting this information? Or a pattern break?
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            The court did not find evidence.
            He didn’t really look for Vasilyeva either !!!
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          The film "Red Heat", if not mistaken hi
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        And after that you will tell me that Shoigu could reform the army better than Serdyukov?


        Shoigu came to the reformed army, all ready? no
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          Shoigu came to the reformed army, all ready?

          Not at all, but it was hurt. Or do you think he lifted everything from scratch in a year?
  • Vladimir71 2 November 2015 06: 14 New
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    It seems this clown "Serdyukov" time to hang a star of the hero of Russia but in his case a wooden one. He’s more familiar with furniture)))
    1. Astronomer 2 November 2015 06: 42 New
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      Order of the Sutuly, first degree, with a twist on the back ...
      But seriously, the destruction of the military education system alone deserves the highest ... no, they didn’t guess, they didn’t reward ... social protection measures ...
      And about the "wise guy" who wrote the article, I’ll say - he’s not once in any place military ...
      Not only because it is trying to expose stupid people who managed to carry out a classic operation on the scale of the army corps, classic in organization, interaction of types of aircraft, timing and minimization of losses. And not because it confuses the commander and commander. And only because the bullying of the “furniture maker” over the Army and Navy is received with enthusiasm.
      Just in case, I do not have Kazakh citizenship, but was, is and will be a citizen of the USSR.
  • BecmepH 2 November 2015 06: 25 New
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    In 2009, 4 months lay in Burdenko. Somehow with me in the room was a very large rank close to the generals. According to his friend, lieutenant general, Serdyukov, going into the hall said: "What, pi * orcs, gathered?" This is one of the lines in his description ...
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      "What, pi * orcs, got together?" This is one of the lines in his description ...



      it’s a characteristic, just of generality (if the bike is true), all adult men would simply have broken their ballerina and all for such words and no one would have condemned them ().
  • natakor1949 2 November 2015 06: 26 New
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    This charming “devil” is to blame for allowing himself to surround himself with thieves and thieves, that he built boxes of houses without infrastructure, for which S.K.Shoigu repeatedly wrote out “pendals” to him at meetings, and he also snarled, knowing about impunity. This is the thousandth part of his "production work", and how many medical and other academies are closed in the country, this is the handwriting of the enemy in general. A foul subject, there is no forgiveness for him.
  • Yrsh.2008 2 November 2015 06: 29 New
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    Already after Serdyukov’s resignation, he read an article (unfortunately, I cannot find it now) that he did the impossible with the Ministry of Defense - he cleaned the department from the generals
    And also from the most experienced, young (relatively) officers of the level of the battalion commander - the regiment commander who went through the war (and who is not one) and all the "steps" from the platoon commander, in the not very cloudless years for the Army, but not broken and not escaped to " national "economy (for chirkizon for example) as many ...
    Here you have just one example - the officer who commanded the parade calculation of artillery at the Victory Parade 9 of May 2009 of the year - Colonel Konstantin Strokatov - at that time the commander of the artillery regiment (and in 1999 my division commander) is already 15 of May (the same year) !!! "disbanded" with the division and the regiment.
    If anyone thinks that the forest is being chopped up, the chips fly, then in the case of the Army, where training a high-class specialist requires enormous finances and a long time (no less than 10 years), such responsibility must be taken for my opinion, the betrayal of the motherland!
    Yes, he really did the impossible - in the head of a NORMAL person - who lives in Russia and raises his children for life in Russia - it doesn’t fit in his head, what can this be impudently done?
    1. NordUral 2 November 2015 10: 00 New
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      That's it. In the case of Serdyukov, we must first talk about high treason, and theft is already a trifle.
      1. Uncle Joe 2 November 2015 16: 03 New
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        In the case of Serdyukov, we must first talk about high treason, and theft is already a trifle.
        A trifle ... Kemsk parish ...

        Theft committed by a state person is always treason.
  • zakamsk1971 2 November 2015 06: 30 New
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    Order clean water! No - no, I do not defend S. He, of course, is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch. Hypocrisy in every line!
  • V.ic 2 November 2015 06: 38 New
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    The author would better remember how they tried to find Sir Dyukov 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX? And then the "minister" completely disappeared ... when the "fried smell" ...You can’t wash a black male to white! Is it necessary to launder? I believe that it is not necessary. Article minus.
  • dog1965 2 November 2015 06: 41 New
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    For some reason, as soon as they plant (or, more often, remove) in the leadership environment someone for bribes, they think (I mean the authorities) that they are fighting corruption. Isn’t it so that the new leaders simply want to sit on cash flows themselves? I have experience. I saw how they removed the old leaders, who will also tell the truth "were not clean at hand", but somehow "not loyal", in contrast to the newly appointed ones. But they were professionals in their field, and they could have guessed what they were doing "finances for themselves". But the new ones immediately planted their own people, who, like a pro, were completely zero, but at once they tried to put a denyuzhka in their pocket. Moreover, it is sometimes so clumsy that these efforts directly bulged out with the naked eye. And apparently they were not afraid of anything, because they believed that there was a reliable "roof". I believe that just as absolutely, judging by the publicly available information, the UN dear Serdyukov also acted. And there’s nothing to whitewash him, people are not fools, you won’t fool him on the chaff. And if after one and a half dozen non-monetary years people remained in the army (I mean those who were not in "cash" positions), then these are those who are spiritually real WARS. And of these, with the appropriate attitude and funding, you can quickly make a PROFESSIONAL Army.
  • SAM 5 2 November 2015 06: 49 New
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    he cleaned the department from the generals, who were used to the fact that soldiers were free labor for building summer cottages. etc.

    Well, he would have done nothing. But all this fades after the essentially betrayal of the motherland.
  • sa-ag 2 November 2015 06: 59 New
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    The base has adjusted, and obviously not for the past, but for the future
  • tomcat117 2 November 2015 07: 00 New
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    We have the “harem of Serdyukov” and the “harem of the Saakashvili reformer” in Odessa, well, the twin brothers are right in this case.
  • astronom1973n 2 November 2015 07: 13 New
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    No one argues that it was necessary to reform and reorganize the existing system of the RF Armed Forces, but this could not be entrusted to Serdyukov in all its manifestations. Reforms should be preceded by a thorough study of all aspects of the military structure, and in the future, a clear and thoughtful implementation. Yes, who would not be in the place of Mr. s. I wouldn’t be popular, I hope everyone understands this. But when the reform in most cases came down to the principle of being built, put aside, this is already too much! The positive thing is that finally the monetary allowance has been increased, sets of weapons have gone to the troops, a new field uniform (just not office winked ), the military began to receive housing, of course it’s great! However ... all military education is basically concentrated in the European part, the majority of high-level commanders still do not understand the realities of modern combat and continue to “manage” from the strategic pit in statics! LCD TV is not an indicator, it is an indicator of low stability and noise immunity of a communication system! Understand correctly, I am not looking for sedition! Please just analyze the current situation. Take a healthy look at existing realities, do not knock yourself on the chest, the battle has not yet been won!
    The generals who were with Mr. s. at the sources and before his reforms, they applauded him first, and then applauded Shoigu. I am sure that they will clap to another later, and they will keep their opinions (even if they are balanced). That's something like that ..
  • jetfors_84 2 November 2015 07: 14 New
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    This is not the first article about the "undeservedly" forgotten benefactor and reformer of the army. So far, timidly, but I think later the stools will be more persistently promoted.
  • Oleko 2 November 2015 07: 20 New
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    Serdyukov began the fight with a "cancerous" tumor in the army. An unstable relationship among soldiers and sergeants. Outright mockery of the younger draft. Maybe not everything worked out, but the facts were revealed. Regarding the "polite people", it was Serdyukov who created the Senezh Special Operations Forces Training Center on the basis of the Shot courses. NATO intelligence and the CIA are well aware of it, so I won’t give out any military information. There’s also an article on VO " About the "defense of Serdyukov" and not only about her "May 15, 2015. at the Military District.
    The answer of the military prosecutor’s office of the city where I live is kept at my place, which speaks of the activities carried out by her to identify hazing. Answer from February 2012. About Vasilyeva. What are you all about her stolen. Everything has been returned. This is a court recognized.
    1. SAM 5 2 November 2015 07: 39 New
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      The answer of the military prosecutor's office of the city is stored at my place

      And on the wall, come on, hangs a portrait of this "comrade."
      1. Oleko 2 November 2015 08: 48 New
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        And on the wall, go, hangs a portrait of this "comrade

        There was nothing but laughter. And here is the story of the major with whom he worked. He repaired the electrical installation. Switch disconnected. Sasha put a fighter at the knife switch. "And why did not hang up a banner prohibiting" Do not include. People work "?" "What are the posters in the army ...". The demobilization approached and the young one was taken. And the installation included. Sasha's boots saved.
        I have a memory of service in the GSVG (a group of Soviet troops in Germany). What would the demobilization take the warrior ordered by the major? We didn’t know that.
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          And here is the story of a major,

          I think neither this "major" nor you have ever passed an offset in the army for admission to electrical installations.
          Quote: Oleko
          "What are the posters in the army ..."

          I do not believe!
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  • avia12005 2 November 2015 07: 21 New
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    The author did not serve exactly at that time in the army. Otherwise, I would have known that officers from a lieutenant to a colonel general did not have censorship to evaluate Serdyukov.
  • Rom14 2 November 2015 07: 37 New
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    The guy forgot to write - they took bribes for fighting bandits and officers, hazing was breathtaking (it’s better to go to prison but not to the army), and what kind of a brake was there in re-equipping in all directions, it’s better not to remember, Serdyukov is not bad, he’s just a follower of Yeltsin and humpbacked and regularly performed the command - finished off the Army. And the fact that Shoigu and his team put things in order in a short time - what kind of owner, such and such a house.
  • rubin6286 2 November 2015 07: 39 New
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    The fact that Serdyukov got the post is encouraging: not everything is stolen.
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    2. Finches 2 November 2015 09: 09 New
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      laughing Song of Serdyukov!

    3. NordUral 2 November 2015 10: 05 New
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      As I understand it, your glass is always half full, the correct attitude.
  • 31rus 2 November 2015 07: 45 New
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    So, let’s give the order to Serdyukov, and what Medvedev has already been given. Dear author, if something was “good”, everything is crossed out, bribes, theft, collapse, what you call reforms. I can’t write any further, infuriates
  • Morf 2 November 2015 07: 45 New
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    army structure is tough - received an order to follow, do not like go for a walk;
    but I see and hear the result, and to the nostalgic warriors - go cry over the "black years of Serdyukovism" and do not watch the news
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 November 2015 07: 45 New
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    Nonsense, from the word "complete", but to the author - a huge bold minus
    The author “forgot” to mention one nuance. Financing. Degas went into the army precisely during the arrival of Taburetkin “to the kingdom”.
    That is why the army revived. Despite everything that Serdyukov had done, the army did manage to achieve something, as a result of which it was possible to improve both supply and training. And this happened thanks to the very generals whom the author reproaches.
  • ALEA IACTA EST 2 November 2015 07: 51 New
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    Serdyukov - the destroyer who buried the old army.
    However, it would be better to "disassemble the wall, rather than blowing up" ...
  • AlNikolaich 2 November 2015 07: 51 New
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    Guys, the article writes a lot about Serdyukovism, but there is only one grain!
    The author calls us Kremlin bots and the fifth column! Think it over! This is a promise!
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      No, to make it easier to write - you -. But everything is so, if the country has endured this and wiped it off.
  • Roust 2 November 2015 07: 53 New
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    As soon as Serdyukov was appointed to this position, our plane crashed in Egypt ... A strange coincidence. Whatever this official takes, he is not doing well. The eternal memory of the dead, and this must be driven into oblivion.
  • Colonel 2 November 2015 07: 56 New
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    "" Polite people "and pilots of the VKS in the Syrian sky, we owe, including, Serdyukov"

    You can write with the same success that we owe it to the Führer and NATO to use the magnificent Russian weapons.
  • SAM 5 2 November 2015 08: 02 New
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    Yes, what to argue about, if one thing is how he became a minister says a lot.
  • TT62 2 November 2015 08: 04 New
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    In Soviet times, there was such an expression, "the transfer of material assets within one state, is not theft." The biggest theft, kickbacks, bribery just happens when they cut and reform.
  • gena555 2 November 2015 08: 12 New
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    The site begins to degrade. So it turned into unreasonable, I think about Strelkov’s weakened persecution, then I began to praise Serdyukov before appointing him to a new responsible position. The circus and only. How can praise Serdyukov, who ditched the army?. Is there any success in Syria, but this is not thanks, but contrary to the actions of Serdyukov at the post of Moscow Region. And Russia will have to restore the army for a long time after its so-called reforms.
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      There is such a thing, it comes to mind to me. Too much pathos and a lot of flattering lies became in the articles.
  • max15243 2 November 2015 08: 14 New
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    A year ago, the brother-in-law served, according to his stories, over the past ten years (since I served) only what they used to say “find” and now “give birth” has changed. And so the same idiocy. In the ridge go to charge for something (four irons or mops, etc.). So for the rank and file drafted for urgent needs, little has changed in terms of the conditions of service (the brother-in-law had shower cubicles and washing machines at the training camp, but they were not allowed to use them).
  • anfreezer 2 November 2015 08: 18 New
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    If something was done in the army, it was contrary to, and not thanks to Serdyukov’s efforts ... with such funding .. it would have to be completely an idiot, that would be completely idiotic in a few years, I’ll repeat it to completely disintegrate the Sun and tidy up ALL money ... that’s how the character’s brains were, and who would allow it to become completely impudent ... therefore, something moved somewhere, creating the appearance of a “stormy” process of updating the army. But only this "movement" should not be attributed to Serdyukov, in this "movement" was the guarantee of his survival, as a kind of "HOMO SERDUKOVUS", these were instinctive reductions ..
  • Stalnov I.P. 2 November 2015 08: 18 New
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    See how they immediately began to praise the stool, the army developed as opposed to the actions of this furniture maker and his “woman’s team”, but the shurik who wrote this article somehow forgot how many ordinary soldiers and officers died at the training grounds and arsenals in explosions of ammunition that were supposed to be eliminated by industrial in a way, but at the “request” of the minister, they were destroyed by ordinary soldiers, and at the same time not prepared, explain your attitude to the parents, wives and children of these victims. How much money he saved on this "liquidation. I would have looked at your scribbles if any of your relatives died. Any action of this person, although he is not a person, is a" monkey with a grenade "
    it’s directed only for one thing - to grab more money and once again I say you look at his RYLO and look at him on his forehead is written BOP. That's the shurik.
  • Mihalich17 2 November 2015 08: 19 New
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    I will not "dissolve" for a long time and write directly.
    I am sure that Serdyukov played his "role" brilliantly!
    The very “combination” with him at the head of the Russian Defense Ministry was masterfully played!
    Special Respect to Sergey Ivanov!
    Interestingly, they awarded him (Skerdyukov) in a "closed" mode? I would reward! :))
  • Oleko 2 November 2015 08: 21 New
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    The article I wrote about says that a cover operation was conceived. He was supposed to play the role of a dumb “jacket” and show that the army was completely collapsed. It succeeded. I also hated Serdyukov. But here is the incident. Everyone insists that the government "otmazyv" Serdyukov from two investigations. But Serdyukov obeyed Putin. So, for many years, Putin, a former intelligence officer, kept a jerk, and then covered him up? Putin took off Ivanov, on whom no one had anything, and sent him to the defense industry complex. Ivanov, quietly and imperceptibly, began to rearm production. Just look at a few reports from the defense industry. The newest.
    At the end. Tolika at Zhenya's opera was caught. Well, this is top class. Who would let them go there? Serdyukov is a top-secret official, a former member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. Protected by the FSO. And here is TFR. Brain composter. And then Jack was completely exhausted. Either the exhibition scribbled, or a sobbing poem, or even like Buba Kastorsky to Colonel Kudasov, transmitted in the clip a cipher program with a very high degree of decryption resistance. So far, glare has not been deciphered. All. I go against everyone. There is safety in numbers? Right There is no one to fight with. Waiting for cons. And the facts, not rudeness. I know how to be rude.
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      Who would let them go there?
      Guess whose son-in-law. This show was arranged only so that Tolya would not bury himself and return to his wife. And the people they do not care, as in your opinion.
  • exalex2 2 November 2015 08: 24 New
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    Bullshit .. So you can steal further. After all, as you know, the more you steal, the less they will give. Strange, but here's a paradox.
    “As Kommersant learned, the son-in-law of ex-Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov Valery Puzikov, accused by the military investigation of particularly large embezzlement (part 4 of article 160 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), began to get acquainted with the materials of the investigation. he had a dubious contract with the Ministry of Defense, and then stole the money of the military department at the time when he was led by his influential relative, but Mr. Serdyukov himself is only mentioned in a criminal case in passing.
    Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2825813
  • LEVIAFAN 2 November 2015 08: 24 New
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    he dispersed the generals and brought an honest basil, closed military schools. ah well done. the author of the article needs to advocate for this order to this great man.
  • Defense 2 November 2015 08: 27 New
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    Here is another point of view ....

  • Was mammoth 2 November 2015 08: 29 New
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    The trend, however!
    The performance by an official or official of his direct duties is already called a feat. And, it's not a matter of a specific Serdyukov. My opinion about this state official has not changed.

    PS Now the Swiss have waved another patriot, but in a different sphere. I liked the irony in today's publication:
    "1:35, November 02, 2015
    The scandal that occurred last week in Russia is of an international scale, although it concerns not even an acting state official, but the former - Elena Skrynnik, who recently held the post of Minister of Agriculture.
    The membership of Elena Borisovna in the United Russia party has been suspended. Immediately after she refused 60 million francs in a Swiss bank.
    The Secretary-General of United Russia, Sergei Neverov, virtually expelled her from the party with the wording: for actions that discredit the party, as well as for losing contact with a political organization.
    Logically, it turns out that if Elena Skrynnik has no accounts, then this is either discrediting United Russia, or a separation from the party. Or Sergei Neverov is fully convinced of the validity of the allegations by Switzerland, but simply does not reveal to us everything that he knows.
    "Madame Leasing" - so called her half-whisper colleagues and subordinates. "
    Source: http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-02/za-kvalificirovannoe-otmyvanie-skrynnik-grozit-
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  • Gardamir 2 November 2015 08: 55 New
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    "The country is mired in corruption and Gorbachev at the cost of his resignation cleaned the country." The author (*****), why the author does not write about closed hospitals, military schools, when all military airfields were reduced to four throughout the country. Soon they will come up with about the Sakhalin governor. I try not to give sharp assessments, but this is a mockery of the highest category! The author initially considers everyone to be cattle, who will believe in any propaganda.
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 2 November 2015 11: 59 New
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      Because the principles of warfare have changed. This has been perfectly proven by missile launches from the Caspian to Syria. But. What we see now is calculated 5-7 years ago. Calculation always gives a direction in which direction it is necessary to develop. Armadas of aircraft and tanks are a thing of the past. High-precision weapons are now entering the scene.
  • SAM 5 2 November 2015 09: 02 New
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    The defense power of the country is being strengthened.