Forgotten lessons of history: Stalin on Ukrainian nationalism

November 4, 2014 161

“No, we are doing the right thing, so severely punishing the nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own nations.

After all, the nationalists' cherished dream is to split the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union, for the most part, will be physically exterminated, the rest will turn into dumb and pathetic slaves of the conquerors.

It is not by chance that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people — the leaders of Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, konoval's men, Bandera — have already received the task of German intelligence to stir up among Ukrainians who are Russians, hate Russians, and seek separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. The same old song of ancient times from the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer.

Especially succeeded in inciting national hatred and incitement of one people against other Englishmen. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the miserable and corrupt leaders of various nations, capitalist island England - the first factory in the world, negligible in size - managed to seize vast territories, enslave and rob many nations of the world, create the “Great” British Empire, in which, boastfully say the British, the sun never sets.

With us, this number, while we are alive, will not work. So in vain Hitler's fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which allegedly collapses during the first serious ordeal, reckon on the fragility of the friendship of the peoples inhabiting our country today, hoping to embroil them with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities who inhabit our country will defend it, sparing no life as their beloved homeland.

However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If allowed to act with impunity, they will bring a lot of trouble. That is why they should be kept in the iron rein, not to let them undermine the unity of the Soviet Union. ”

J. V. Stalin, Complete Works. Volume 15, “Conversation with A. S. Yakovlev 26 March 1941 of the Year”, p. 17

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otocatc

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6 November 2014 09: 25

Any propaganda is helpless against the great I.V. Stalin! Eternal glory!
avia12005

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6 November 2014 09: 53

Brilliant and accurate! It’s time to study Stalin not only in schools, but also in government bodies, and take tests.
North Christmas Tree

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6 November 2014 10: 41

How right he was!
I am becoming more and more convinced... The Lenin-Trotskyists destroyed the Russian Empire. Even then, the enemy’s plans almost came true, if not for Stalin. He was able to mobilize and then defeat the fascists. Yes, tough, sometimes. methods. And for some time the USSR held on.... And what do we end up with? Khrushchev started it, Gorbachev and Yeltsin finished it off.
Medvedb

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6 November 2014 13: 14

Quote: MIKHAN
Nothing to add .. Everything is there, alas.! We forget all this .. Rather, they help us to forget (to destroy us with our own hands) ..

Not for nothing, as it turns out, they say that those who do not know their past have no future.
54RG3

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6 November 2014 13: 54

The wind of history is blowing ever stronger (sapienti sat)!

And, of course - ceterum censeo Fascington esse delendam!
sogdianec

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6 November 2014 18: 17

Quote: Zlata
TO ALL THOSE WHO HURT THEIR THROATS, screaming about the greatness, wisdom and justice of Stalin:

............

All this happened under Stalin - the destruction of the peasantry, Cossacks, clergy, famine, repression, pitting people against each other - “divide and conquer!” Millions of victims and a country drenched in blood. This is what the power of your IDOL Dzhugashvili was based on. Would you like to live THIS way? Do you want your children to live like this? I – NO, God forbid.

My ancestors have similar stories, famine, dispossession, resettlement. Peasants with many children from the Volga region. Stalin was only remembered with obscenities. I would give you more pluses.
1. Zlata
  
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  8 November 2014 23: 48
  
  Quote: sogdianec
  Quote: Zlata
  TO ALL THOSE WHO HURT THEIR THROATS, screaming about the greatness, wisdom and justice of Stalin:
  
  ............
  
  All this happened under Stalin - the destruction of the peasantry, Cossacks, clergy, famine, repression, pitting people against each other - “divide and conquer!” Millions of victims and a country drenched in blood. This is what the power of your IDOL Dzhugashvili was based on. Would you like to live THIS way? Do you want your children to live like this? I – NO, God forbid.
  
  My ancestors have similar stories, famine, dispossession, resettlement. Peasants with many children from the Volga region. Stalin was only remembered with obscenities. I would give you more pluses.
  
  Thank you for support. Otherwise, I was already starting to think that I was living among zombie idolaters whose memory had completely gone, and that I would never see real, living people again))).
Bator79

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6 November 2014 19: 50

Not in the eyebrow but in the eye
A_A

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6 November 2014 21: 28

Stalin carried out a deliberate genocide of the peoples of Russia, should I quote him? Yes, and the above passage is nonsense, nonsense in the spirit of Bolshevik demagoguery, about everything and nothing, then about the Germans, then about British intelligence, then again about the Germans. Ukrainians are the same as Russians, only a half-educated seminarian could say. Stalin accuses all the intelligence services of the world of seeking to divide Russia, to pit its peoples against each other; meanwhile, the Bolsheviks themselves, with the direct participation of Stalin, pitted the people who inhabited Russia against each other. Stalin himself repressed entire nations. Should he talk about nationalism?! It would be better to prepare the country for war, there were 3 months left, and not dilute the water with jelly.
1. Zlata
  
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  8 November 2014 23: 03
  
  Quote: A_A
  Stalin carried out a targeted genocide of the peoples of Russia, should I quote him?..........................the Bolsheviks themselves, with the direct participation of Stalin, pitted the people who inhabited Russia against each other . ............
  
  And there is.
Litvin from Grodno

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6 November 2014 22: 00

Quote: Vlad5307
, you don’t know history at all! In your civilized Europe, the dukes boasted about those who had the largest louse in their heads, they did not know baths, etc. And in Novgorod Rus' there was an overwhelmingly literate population, as evidenced by birch bark letters. Don’t feed on Euro lies, think and read the sources and not WIKIPEDIA!!!

Don't write nonsense to me and don't show me darkness. We are not talking about ancient times, but about the 20th century. Even in the time of Catherine, 2 ladies from high society wore wigs with mice living in them - this is true. And then the baths..., baths... And under the Great Peter, the boyars, all of whom were illiterate, didn’t even wash their “fingers before eating” - Peter had to teach them and chop off their greasy beards.
As for Novgorod the Great - if you are “not from there”, then I’ll tell you a secret that the state, independent and independent for centuries, including from Muscovy, - Mr. Veliky Novgorod, was destroyed by Ivan the Terrible, its elite was physically destroyed, as well as part of population, plundered, legislation destroyed, money melted into Moscow Tugriks, lands annexed to the Moscow Principality. Therefore, do not cling to the glory of Veliky Novgorod. The fact that it is now part of the Russian Federation does not mean that it was “yours” before. The glory of Ancient Novgorod is the glory of the ancient Novgorodians (the union of Slavs and Finno-Ugrians), and not “Moscow”, which destroyed it.
And the Novgorod state was truly Great and Educated - you are right about this, including the population that was largely literate, unlike Muscovy, where many of the boyars could not write and read.
And God willing, I reread the sources for everyone. Including unique things in his hands - for example, the Constitution of our ancient power, one of the Statutes of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Russia and Zhamoit, written in the language of Litvin-Belarusians, i.e. Old Belarusian language, many things there are understandable even to a modern person, despite the venerable age of the document . Therefore, there is no need to talk about sources, Vlad5307 shanouns.
Litvin from Grodno

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7 November 2014 00: 23

Quote: A_A
Stalin carried out a deliberate genocide of the peoples of Russia, should I quote him? Yes, and the above passage is nonsense, nonsense in the spirit of Bolshevik demagoguery, about everything and nothing, then about the Germans, then about British intelligence, then again about the Germans. Ukrainians are the same as Russians, only a half-educated seminarian could say. Stalin accuses all the intelligence services of the world of seeking to divide Russia, to pit its peoples against each other; meanwhile, the Bolsheviks themselves, with the direct participation of Stalin, pitted the people who inhabited Russia against each other. Stalin himself repressed entire nations. Should he talk about nationalism?! It would be better to prepare the country for war, there were 3 months left, and not dilute the water with jelly.

+1 for you (someone already cut off my + for you, but nothing). Yes, we have always had enough talkers and demagogues. Look, Blank-Lenin, Bronstein-Trotsky alone are worth something, they said so passionately and honestly that it’s enough to wrap a fur coat. And this “leader” is also from that cohort. At first he continued the work of Lenin-Trotsky-Sverdov to cleanse the territory of the USSR from dissidents, and in 1941 he suddenly turned to the people “Brothers and Sisters...”. Over there, the old “Stalinists” are rattling their bones, most of them are already destined for the next world, but they wear his portrait and shout winner. Who's the winner? He...? A Caucasian terrorist, a criminal who robbed ships, and then did not create, but brought to perfection a state machine for the destruction of his own people? Calm down, many of you, get away from this obscurantism. Also my protector. And what did my grandfather do then in a tank from 1941 to 1944, or my second grandfather in the infantry from 1942 to 1943, or hundreds of millions of our other ordinary people in the trenches, on the seas, in hospitals, mines, in the rear at machine tools, on farms and in fields? This is who the true liberator of our land is - Private Infantry Vanya (of all nationalities of the USSR) and his Wife, and not the criminal Dzhugashvilli, whose entire policy - both external and internal - led to "small family tragedies" of the 30s and the big tragedy of 1941.
Always, when they talk about Stalin and his greatness, I remember the words of an elderly woman I know who survived the siege of Leningrad from the first to the last day: “If it weren’t for the traitor Stalin, we would all have remained alive...”. The term “we” - she said so, refers to her entire family, who died from the hardships of the blockade, and “traitor” - the people of St. Petersburg really could have been saved before the mousetrap was closed - there was both the opportunity and the time, they would have left the military, the most valuable ones, in St. Petersburg male workers, medical staff - everyone else in columns and to the center of the country. This was not done thanks to Stalin. "Point" and that's it. I repeat once again - the true liberator of our land is Private Infantry Vanya and his Wife, and not the criminal Dzhugashvilli. “Point” and that’s it.
1. Zlata
  
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  8 November 2014 23: 21
  
  Quote: Litvin from Grodno
  Quote: A_A
  Stalin carried out a deliberate genocide of the peoples of Russia, should I quote him? Yes, and the above passage is nonsense, nonsense in the spirit of Bolshevik demagoguery, about everything and nothing, then about the Germans, then about British intelligence, then again about the Germans. Ukrainians are the same as Russians, only a half-educated seminarian could say. Stalin accuses all the intelligence services of the world of seeking to divide Russia, to pit its peoples against each other; meanwhile, the Bolsheviks themselves, with the direct participation of Stalin, pitted the people who inhabited Russia against each other. Stalin himself repressed entire nations. Should he talk about nationalism?! It would be better to prepare the country for war, there were 3 months left, and not dilute the water with jelly.
  
  +1 for you (someone already cut off my + for you, but nothing). Yes, we have always had enough talkers and demagogues. Look, Blank-Lenin, Bronstein-Trotsky alone are worth something, they said so passionately and honestly that it’s enough to wrap a fur coat. And this “leader” is also from that cohort. At first he continued the work of Lenin-Trotsky-Sverdov to cleanse the territory of the USSR from dissidents, and in 1941 he suddenly turned to the people “Brothers and Sisters...”. Over there, the old “Stalinists” are rattling their bones, most of them are already destined for the next world, but they wear his portrait and shout winner. Who's the winner? He...? A Caucasian terrorist, a criminal who robbed ships, and then did not create, but brought to perfection a state machine for the destruction of his own people? Calm down, many of you, get away from this obscurantism. Also my protector. And what did my grandfather do then in a tank from 1941 to 1944, or my second grandfather in the infantry from 1942 to 1943, or hundreds of millions of our other ordinary people in the trenches, on the seas, in hospitals, mines, in the rear at machine tools, on farms and in fields? This is who the true liberator of our land is - Private Infantry Vanya (of all nationalities of the USSR) and his Wife, and not the criminal Dzhugashvilli, whose entire policy - both external and internal - led to "small family tragedies" of the 30s and the big tragedy of 1941.
  Always, when they talk about Stalin and his greatness, I remember the words of an elderly woman I know who survived the siege of Leningrad from the first to the last day: “If it weren’t for the traitor Stalin, we would all have remained alive...”. The term “we” - she said so, refers to her entire family, who died from the hardships of the blockade, and “traitor” - the people of St. Petersburg really could have been saved before the mousetrap was closed - there was both the opportunity and the time, they would have left the military, the most valuable ones, in St. Petersburg male workers, medical staff - everyone else in columns and to the center of the country. This was not done thanks to Stalin. "Point" and that's it. I repeat once again - the true liberator of our land is Private Infantry Vanya and his Wife, and not the criminal Dzhugashvilli. “Point” and that’s it.
  
  A THOUSAND ADVANTAGES to you. I will sign every word. But keep in mind - on this site they don’t like the truth and mercilessly downvote people for the truth. Apparently, members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation actively hang out here. You know, in ordinary life I don’t meet such a concentration of Lenin-Stalin lovers as here. And they behave very aggressively, and insult, and sometimes almost send obscenities. However, it is not surprising, given the level of development of many such idolaters))). Level of development - Sharikovs, alas. Well, what, isn't it? If people don't give a damn about the millions of innocently killed compatriots - the Sharikovs - this is the kindest thing that can be said about them.
Railway

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7 November 2014 10: 11

Yes, we have “Belarusian Nazis” here? I’m very surprised, at one time I served in Belarus, and then the words “fascist” and “Nazi” were dirty words.
Zlata

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7 November 2014 13: 02

Quote: assam4
Unfortunately, young people now imagine him as a bloodthirsty tyrant who only did what he destroyed his own people. Liberal propaganda has done its job.

Yes exactly. He is a bloodthirsty tyrant who did nothing but destroy his own people. Read my comment in this thread, I only cited facts - how my relatives lived under Stalin. You wouldn't wish such a life on your enemy. And imagine, I have never been a fan of Echo of Moscow, Navalny, Nemtsov, Makarevich, etc. But communist propaganda - yes, it is in action. Never in my life have I met so many fans of your idol Stalin at once. I think that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation supervises this site in earnest.
Zlata

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7 November 2014 13: 22

TO ALL THOSE WHO HURT THEIR THROATS, screaming about the greatness, wisdom and justice of Stalin:

My great-grandfather’s family lived in the Volgograd region. Peasants, hard work from morning to night, ten children. So, two grown-up children from the family were shot, one of them said something like “but in Poland they live better now!” - someone reported, and the man was shot. The second, a 21-year-old student, smart, studied well, wrote poetry - was shot, for what - unknown. His great-grandmother waited for him until his death, not knowing that he had been shot. The great-grandmother and great-grandfather themselves were sent to Solovki - for no reason, their eldest son, who, of all others, was in the Red Army, was able to miraculously rescue them. Their other son’s wife was imprisoned because she dared to sell HER things at the market in order to buy food for her tuberculosis-stricken husband - like, a speculator.

My husband's grandfather went to prison in Mordovia - for saying "there were no Soviets - I didn't see my w * na light", built the Belomorkanal, then in a penal battalion, miraculously survived, one of all his comrades.

My grandmother studied well at school, the teacher was wonderful, but he was shot (he was a white officer). Grandmother’s father, a Cossack who served the Tsar, was forced to hide in Uzbekistan - otherwise he too would have been imprisoned and shot. Grandfather worked as a veterinarian during the war - on 25-26 collective farms alone, on the road all the time, was never at home, so they called him, with a lamp in his eyes - “admit that you are an enemy of the people!” And what they paid him for his work was ridiculous pennies. Not a single day off was given! But it was impossible to refuse work - they would shoot you. They lived on their own farm and fed themselves from this.

And my great-grandfather’s cousin’s son was imprisoned and shot. He was an artist, fell in love with a beautiful Turkish woman who was illiterate. Children appeared. A Turkish woman stole some children's shoes at school. She was caught stealing, and she asked her husband to take the blame on himself so as not to leave the children without a mother. He admitted to the theft, naturally, he was imprisoned for 7 years - for children's shoes. And they shot me.

All this happened under Stalin - the destruction of the peasantry, Cossacks, clergy, famine, repression, pitting people against each other - “divide and conquer!” Millions of victims and a country drenched in blood. This is what the power of your IDOL Dzhugashvili was based on. Would you like to live THIS way? Do you want your children to live like this? I – NO, God forbid.
1. Zlata
  
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  7 November 2014 15: 44
  
  Yes, those who downvote me in my profile - I don’t CARE from a high tower about your minuses, I’m not trying here for pluses. You have nothing to protect yourself with, you’re not used to fighting with your visor open, so you’re trying to “stab someone in the back.” But you won’t be able to “shut up” me. I will tell the truth whether you like it or not.
Litvin from Grodno

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7 November 2014 23: 12

Quote: Zlata
Yes, those who downvote me in my profile - I don’t CARE from a high tower about your minuses, I’m not trying here for pluses. You have nothing to protect yourself with, you’re not used to fighting with your visor open, so you’re trying to “stab someone in the back.” But you won’t be able to “shut up” me. I will tell the truth whether you like it or not.

Well done Zlata, +1 from me to you. They wrote the truth. Here some people “piss” at the mention of the leader, they so want him back, but they don’t think with their heads that they can go to waste as a whole column or individually. I also wrote Pravda, but this “ZhDV” didn’t like it if he addressed me (I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing from the text). Moreover, he called me, a Belarusian, for the truth (and I ask you not to throw such words in the future, you don’t even know the difference between the term “fascist” and “Nazi” with a high degree of probability, and you easily throw words left and right, without thinking that you are insulting people. Think about what you write, PLEASE, comrade ZhD). Why did you insult me, for the fact that I told you the Historical Truth ABOUT THE TRUE SAVIORS OF THE FATHERLAND - PRIVATE INFANTRY VANYA (no matter what nationality) AND HIS WIFE, THEN YOU INSULTED ALL OUR HEROES-ANCESTORS IN MY FACE, for the story of the blockade survivor grandmother (this her Truth, which you don’t like), who experienced something you never dreamed of, then you insulted HER Memory. Who did you call? A representative of the people who lost 1/3 of the population, the territory of Belarus was SURRENDERED to the Germans for 3 years due to the policy pursued by “your leader” in the 30s - they did what they wanted here, where the Red Army was with its songs.”.. ... thundering with fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel..." and a commissar's book in which the "Stalinist doctrine of a 3-week war with little bloodshed on foreign territory" was described. Therefore, don’t write crap, dear comrade "ZhDV", but read the real biography of your "leader" without the Bolshevik polish. Historians have studied his personality well, although there are blank spots in his biography when he “seemed to disappear from vision,” but on the whole this does not affect the picture of his personality. And don’t try to make him “a friend of all children and pioneers” - a villain is a villain. Ivan the Terrible compared to him is “an angel in the flesh.”
There were good documentaries about Stalin on RTR and the state historical channel “365” - everything was said about him there, the films were made on the basis of historical research. Everything has been said - both good and bad.
1. Zlata
  
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  8 November 2014 23: 29
  
  Quote: Litvin from Grodno
  Quote: Zlata
  Yes, those who downvote me in my profile - I don’t CARE from a high tower about your minuses, I’m not trying here for pluses. You have nothing to protect yourself with, you’re not used to fighting with your visor open, so you’re trying to “stab someone in the back.” But you won’t be able to “shut up” me. I will tell the truth whether you like it or not.
  
  Well done Zlata, +1 from me to you. They wrote the truth. Here some people “piss” at the mention of the leader, they so want him back, but they don’t think with their heads that they can go to waste as a whole column or individually. I also wrote Pravda, but this “ZhDV” didn’t like it if he addressed me (I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing from the text). Moreover, he called me, a Belarusian, for the truth (and I ask you not to throw such words in the future, you don’t even know the difference between the term “fascist” and “Nazi” with a high degree of probability, and you easily throw words left and right, without thinking that you are insulting people. Think about what you write, PLEASE, comrade ZhD). Why did you insult me, for the fact that I told you the Historical Truth ABOUT THE TRUE SAVIORS OF THE FATHERLAND - PRIVATE INFANTRY VANYA (no matter what nationality) AND HIS WIFE, THEN YOU INSULTED ALL OUR HEROES-ANCESTORS IN MY FACE, for the story of the blockade survivor grandmother (this her Truth, which you don’t like), who experienced something you never dreamed of, then you insulted HER Memory. Who did you call? A representative of the people who lost 1/3 of the population, the territory of Belarus was SURRENDERED to the Germans for 3 years due to the policy pursued by “your leader” in the 30s - they did what they wanted here, where the Red Army was with its songs.”.. ... thundering with fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel..." and a commissar's book in which the "Stalinist doctrine of a 3-week war with little bloodshed on foreign territory" was described. Therefore, don’t write crap, dear comrade "ZhDV", but read the real biography of your "leader" without the Bolshevik polish. Historians have studied his personality well, although there are blank spots in his biography when he “seemed to disappear from vision,” but on the whole this does not affect the picture of his personality. And don’t try to make him “a friend of all children and pioneers” - a villain is a villain. Ivan the Terrible compared to him is “an angel in the flesh.”
  There were good documentaries about Stalin on RTR and the state historical channel “365” - everything was said about him there, the films were made on the basis of historical research. Everything has been said - both good and bad.
  
  It is for the TRUTH without embellishment that you will be called names and downvoted. Thank you very much for your support.
Litvin from Grodno

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7 November 2014 23: 12

Continuation. Stalin's repressions affected my country much less due to its smaller population. Active repressions among the Belarusian intelligentsia began around 1938, the peasantry began to be repressed in 1934-35, approximately 260-280 thousand people were repressed in Western Belarus - there was not enough time before the war. But Russia and Ukraine suffered terribly - the figures are real, close to the truth, there are irretrievable losses from the Gulag, but by decision of the authorities they are presented in doses, many sources of information are still classified and access to them is closed - the goal, apparently, is humane of such a decision - Don’t disturb people again, let the longer period pass. The British, too, classified many unsavory materials indicating their direct participation in bringing Hitler to power and financing the NSDAP for another 50 years, including according to Rudolf Hess, who was quietly strangled by members of the British secret service in Spandau prison.
Stalin is no better than Hitler - it’s not for nothing that they say “two boots in a pair”, you understand, comrade. ZhDV (well, I’ll assume that you are a “Soviet Stalinist,” I repeat, I’ll assume, maybe not) all of the above?
And my long-suffering country is officially called Belarus, and not in the Soviet style Belarus. I have the honor, comrade. "ZhDV", I am a tank officer, a descendant of my two grandfathers, who achieved the Great Victory of the Soviet People in the Great Patriotic War - the victory not of a leader, but the VICTORY of our Great PEOPLE! GLORY TO OUR GREAT WINNER PEOPLE!!!
1. Zlata
  
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  8 November 2014 23: 41
  
  Quote: Litvin from Grodno
  .................... I have the honor, comrade. "ZhDV", I am a tank officer, a descendant of my two grandfathers, who achieved the Great Victory of the Soviet People in the Great Patriotic War - the victory not of a leader, but the VICTORY of our Great PEOPLE! GLORY TO OUR GREAT WINNER PEOPLE!!!
  
  A low bow and great respect to your grandfathers and to all those who courageously fought for the Great Victory - not for the glory of an idol, but in the name of LIFE.
  1. VladVlad
    
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    14 November 2014 16: 09
    
    Cuckoo praises the cock
    because he praises the cuckoo...
    
    So much nonsense in one place! Learn, patriots, to betray your homeland. And wipe your feet on its History.
    Lukashenko pinned you down in Belarus, so you came here. Hello to like-minded person Pavel Sheremet (he seems to be already in Kyiv). Poroshenko licks his boots...