Forgotten lessons of history: Stalin on Ukrainian nationalism

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Forgotten lessons of history: Stalin on Ukrainian nationalism“No, we are doing the right thing, so severely punishing the nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own nations.

After all, the nationalists' cherished dream is to split the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union, for the most part, will be physically exterminated, the rest will turn into dumb and pathetic slaves of the conquerors.

It is not by chance that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people — the leaders of Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, konoval's men, Bandera — have already received the task of German intelligence to stir up among Ukrainians who are Russians, hate Russians, and seek separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. The same old song of ancient times from the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer.

Especially succeeded in inciting national hatred and incitement of one people against other Englishmen. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the miserable and corrupt leaders of various nations, capitalist island England - the first factory in the world, negligible in size - managed to seize vast territories, enslave and rob many nations of the world, create the “Great” British Empire, in which, boastfully say the British, the sun never sets.

With us, this number, while we are alive, will not work. So in vain Hitler's fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which allegedly collapses during the first serious ordeal, reckon on the fragility of the friendship of the peoples inhabiting our country today, hoping to embroil them with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities who inhabit our country will defend it, sparing no life as their beloved homeland.

However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If allowed to act with impunity, they will bring a lot of trouble. That is why they should be kept in the iron rein, not to let them undermine the unity of the Soviet Union. ”

J. V. Stalin, Complete Works. Volume 15, “Conversation with A. S. Yakovlev 26 March 1941 of the Year”, p. 17
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  1. +161
    4 November 2014 14: 09
    Right was Joseph Vissarionovich at 100%
    1. +70
      4 November 2014 14: 14
      Nothing to add .. Everything is there, alas.! We forget all this .. Rather, they help us to forget (to destroy us with our own hands) ..
      1. +83
        4 November 2014 14: 23
        Every nationalist Bandera must know and remember that retaliation will be imperative.

        Here from this pistol they overwhelmed their ideological leader Styopka Bandera
        1. +27
          4 November 2014 16: 07
          And for me the "ice ax" of Trotsky is better.
          1. Fedya
            +8
            4 November 2014 20: 01
            Mercader!
            1. bda
              bda
              +11
              5 November 2014 17: 49
              Oh, Joseph Vissarionovich! As soon as you managed to get the main mine from under our country by all sorts of Lenins-Trotsky - the federal structure (in a few memoirs on this topic, information about the desire of I.V. Stalin to the unitarity of the state is visible).
              The historical logic is inexorable: if a federalization process is started in a unitary state on the basis of the national-territorial principle, the matter will end in disintegration - sooner or later, at least for a short time, by someone’s overlook or malice, but in such a country conditions arise when the next national territory it would seem that it would be more profitable for her to separate - and then: wait for trouble - the domino process will start. Many great states ended their lives in this way.
              The only remedy for this has always been political, cultural and, most importantly, ideological (religious) unification on the basis of the dominant ethnos, overlying the national differences of the outskirts. Many significant countries that we now perceive as "mono-national" or "almost mono-national" (Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Japan, China, etc.) were formed from multinational in this way, and mainly in a peaceful way.
          2. +9
            5 November 2014 14: 11
            You will not return time back, the ice ax is a thing of the past. Nowadays it does not matter how and by what, it is important to overwhelm them all - Bandera, fascists, nationalists and other reptiles.
            1. 0
              8 November 2014 20: 25
              Yes, an ice ax may be somewhat old-fashioned, but for some individuals in quotation marks, the brain is sobering well!
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          4. +4
            5 November 2014 14: 21
            Destroy all? And who will kill it? Or all at once for a beer? The advantages of calling for murders without trial make us no less binderlog than Bandera. Come to your senses, comrades! Whose mill are you pouring water on? For the mat fine, and for the call for violence article of the Criminal Code. Where the moderators are looking!
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            2. +4
              6 November 2014 10: 13
              And who said that someone is calling for lawlessness. Everyone in question deserves legal punishment, each his own. Just comrades omit the details. And to show mercy to Bandera kam means to gain many millions for suffering and death. They then were punished according to the law, and now it is necessary, because there is nowhere to put stamps on every Bandera freak.
            3. smern1974
              0
              6 November 2014 20: 16
              quiet city and silence in a friend's shell and are you relaxing with the roots?
        2. +33
          4 November 2014 21: 15
          Quote: herruvim
          Every nationalist Bandera must know and remember that retaliation will be imperative.

          Here from this pistol they overwhelmed their ideological leader Styopka Bandera

          In the word "leader", dear herruvim, you misspelled the first letter. Instead of "l" should be "p". Please be careful.
          Good luck, colleague !!! wink
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        4. 0
          5 November 2014 09: 37
          Quote: herruvim
          Every nationalist Bandera must know and remember that retaliation will be imperative.

          Here from this pistol they overwhelmed their ideological leader Styopka Bandera

          Didn’t they kill him with poison sprayed on his face?
        5. 0
          6 November 2014 15: 46
          Quote: herruvim
          their ideological leader Styopku Bandera

          You probably meant Stefan Popel !?
        6. smern1974
          0
          6 November 2014 20: 12
          COURT everyone will only really want all this to answer and sazu
      2. +24
        4 November 2014 14: 51
        Quote: MIKHAN
        We forget all this .. Rather, they help us to forget (to destroy us with our own hands) ..


        Yes, Stalin indirectly and this was foreseen in this phrase
        This number is with us while we are alivewill not pass.

        Stalin died and the "Khrushchev" thaw began for Bandera and nationalists.
        I also remember the words of a veteran that I had heard in my youth
        "As soon as you forget about this war, fascism will knock on your door again."

        Alas, this is happening in Ukraine now.
        1. +28
          4 November 2014 17: 45
          Quote: Ascetic
          Stalin died and the "Khrushchev" thaw went for the Bandera and nationalists. I also remember the words of the veteran that I still heard in my youth

          “THE SHAKE TO GET ONLY ONE'S GIVING ONE”

          In 1945-1946, we interrupted gangs at the level of kuroens, kosas and hundreds. But the security service ("bezpek") these brutal executioners did not really finish us off. When in 1946, we reached the level of a super-district leadership, the traces were pulled to the Central Committee of Ukraine headed by Khrushchev. Here we were stopped.

          In 1946, the work against Banderovites in the Rivne and Lviv regions was curtailed. The departments of the Security Council, OCD SMERSH, BB (the fight against banditry) were eliminated. They removed from the post of General Trubnikov, the head of the Rivne NKVD, and General Asmolov in the Lviv region. And from Kiev to Lviv was transferred on the orders of Khrushchev, General Ryasny, as it turned out later, sympathizing with the nationalists. As a result, the security service committed reprisals against our people before the 1950s.

          After the death of Stalin, under the amnesty carried out by Khrushchev, all active members of the UPA-OUN, who returned to their homeland, were released.

          In 1950-1960, the quiet restoration of the OUN began. They began with the nomination of their people to party and economic posts, there were cases of admission of the advocates of the ideas of the OUN and political representatives of the OUN to the Komsomol with further career growth (a vivid example is Leonid Kravchuk). And those who interfered with them were either intimidated, blackmailing the lives of loved ones, or eliminated under the guise of an accident or a domestic quarrel.

          In 1974, I arrived in Western Ukraine, and my friends told me that at many high party and economic posts, not to mention small ones, especially in rural areas — in the Rivne, Lviv, and Ivano-Frankivsk regions — there are OUN people. The former secretary of the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Party of Ukraine before 1972, Shelest hid all this from Moscow.

          At the end of the so-called perestroika, in 1989-1991, thanks to Gorbachev’s treacherous policy, this long ripening abscess was revealed. The “Ruch” appeared (in Russian - the “Movement”).
          http://sevnews.info/rus/blog/Iz-rasskaza-veterana-SMERSHa-galichanina/6833
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      3. +18
        4 November 2014 16: 40
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Nothing to add...

        Oh, you can still add a lot, from the same Stalin.

        Svyatoslav Rybas. "Stalin", 2009. Chapter 30:

        By 1927, 80% of schools switched to Ukrainian, two-thirds of all office work was Ukrainized, broadcasting was completely in Ukrainian, and all films were released. (Note that in Ukraine, tremendous cultural work was carried out, mass illiteracy of the population was overcome. In general, 50 percent of the Union budget was allocated to the economy of the republic.

        In the end, Stalin sent Kaganovich and other members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine a letter in which he very carefully criticized the rush in the policy of “Ukrainization”.
        “Absolutely correctly emphasizing the positive character of the new movement in Ukraine for Ukrainian culture and the public, Shumsky does not, however, see the shadow sides of this movement. Shumsky does not see that, given the weakness of the indigenous communist cadres in Ukraine, this movement, led entirely by non-communist intelligentsia, can in some places take on the nature of the struggle for the alienation of Ukrainian culture and the Ukrainian public from culture and the Soviet public, the nature of the struggle against Moscow in general, against Russians in general, against Russian culture and its highest achievement - Leninism. I will not prove that such a danger is becoming more and more real in Ukraine ... "

        And this is not 41, but 27 year ...
        This chapter describes many more parallels with today's time, just amazing.
        1. jjj
          +16
          4 November 2014 17: 08
          Yes, it’s time for us to re-read Comrade Stalin. His works become extremely relevant
          1. Alf
            +12
            4 November 2014 19: 31
            Quote: jjj
            Yes, it’s time for us to re-read Comrade Stalin. His works become extremely relevant

            Last year, at the collapse of 10 rubles bought the 6th volume of the collected works of I.V. Stalin.
            The time is described in 1923-1927. I read and get the impression that the writer had a time machine - many of his predictions came true. And the most interesting thing is that all his articles fit on the 1st page, you read it and everything is clear what needs to be done. Now the speeches of our, God forgive me, "leaders", starting with the humpback, etc. and such tales for 10-20 minutes, continuous "water".
          2. +3
            4 November 2014 21: 32
            Quote: jjj
            Yes, it’s time for us to re-read Comrade Stalin. His works become extremely relevant

            It seems that it's time not only to re-read, but also to rethink. Without fanaticism, of course, but also without liberalism. Folk wisdom speaks correctly: chickens are counted in the fall. For Russia, it seems that such an autumn has already arrived. And in order for Russia to see its next summer, it must count not only the chickens, but also all the egg shells resulting from the hatching of the chickens.
          3. +1
            4 November 2014 21: 32
            Quote: jjj
            Yes, it’s time for us to re-read Comrade Stalin. His works become extremely relevant

            It seems that it's time not only to re-read, but also to rethink. Without fanaticism, of course, but also without liberalism. Folk wisdom speaks correctly: chickens are counted in the fall. For Russia, it seems that such an autumn has already arrived. And in order for Russia to see its next summer, it must count not only the chickens, but also all the egg shells resulting from the hatching of the chickens.
        2. +1
          4 November 2014 22: 34
          Comrade Stalin was - really, no kidding! - specialist in national affairs. It is a pity that they did not heed the warnings of this pro ... Maybe intentionally.
      4. mihasik
        +2
        4 November 2014 17: 09
        Quote: MIKHAN
        We forget all this .. Rather, they help us to forget (to destroy us with our own hands) ..

        That's it! And also his own laziness in the study of the history of his own country and a tolerant education system contributing to the collapse of the student, as a person ...
        This is where the "new" Banderlog comes from.
      5. +6
        4 November 2014 17: 26
        but we forget because we stopped studying the works of the same Stalin and Lenin at the same history lessons — strange as it is, I read Lenin’s articles on economics randomly — he still has this impression and writes about our time, although article 19
      6. smern1974
        0
        6 November 2014 20: 03
        we don’t forget, we remember everything
    2. +21
      4 November 2014 14: 17


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    3. +26
      4 November 2014 14: 21
      Right But we forgot his words. That is what the oblivion of Stalin under Brezhnev and the demonization of Stalin under Gorbachev led to ....
      1. Cenij150814
        +6
        4 November 2014 14: 27
        Quote: DanSabaka
        Stalin under Brezhnev and the demonization of Stalin under Gorbachev ....

        And where did the main initiator go ?!
        1. Chukotka
          +1
          4 November 2014 15: 59
          Yes, soon he will ... "go away", one thing is bad - the "winner" of the USSR! am
        2. DPN
          +2
          4 November 2014 17: 27
          He seems to be retired, MacDonos fired him since he no longer advertises hamburgers.
    4. +17
      4 November 2014 14: 21
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Right was Joseph Vissarionovich at 100%

      Great person!!! HUMAN !!!! I really hope that over time V.V.P. will stand on a par with Joseph Vissarionovich ....
      1. +26
        4 November 2014 15: 31
        Quote: ziqzaq
        I really hope that over time V.V.P. will stand on a par with Joseph Vissarionovich ....

        But only under Stalin, people like Serdyukov were shot and when they’re not even planted at GDP!
        1. +6
          5 November 2014 09: 37
          Quote: BIGLESHIY
          That's only under Stalin, such as Serdyukov shot

          And they did it right.
          1. Alexander I
            0
            7 November 2014 12: 21
            This is the right decision. You just need to add the director of the Central Bank.
      2. Userpic
        +11
        4 November 2014 16: 18
        Quote: ziqzaq
        I really hope that over time V.V.P. will stand on a par with Joseph Vissarionovich ....

        Do not get up.
      3. +18
        4 November 2014 16: 27
        Quote: ziqzaq
        I really hope that over time V.V.P. will stand on a par with Joseph Vissarionovich ....

        Stalin is a class enemy of Putin!

        Comparison of these figures neither in scale, nor in importance, nor in ideology is inappropriate!
        1. +11
          4 November 2014 16: 48
          Quote: DRA-88
          Stalin is a class enemy of Putin!

          Who is the enemy of Putin, and who is friend and partner, we will find out ... later.

          But the fact that Putin STALIN is a class ENEMY, I think, undoubtedly
          1. jjj
            +2
            4 November 2014 17: 13
            Somehow you easily, in a Trotskyist way, rush into definitions. Joseph Vissarionovich’s view was wider and wiser. But Leiba Davydovich was just throwing class enemies
            1. +1
              4 November 2014 17: 56
              Quote: jjj
              Joseph Vissarionovich’s view was wider and wiser.

              This is yes! But still up to such a broad outlook; "not 37 years old" and "If everyone is imprisoned, then there will be no one to work for" Stalin did not reach.
              Quote: jjj
              And here is Leiba Davydovich

              But now I will express an seditious thought; If there was no Leiba Davidovich, then there would be no Lenin in the sense in which we know him. Moreover, there would be no Stalin.
              Here is such a historical "squiggle"
          2. +4
            4 November 2014 17: 15
            Quote: Normal
            But the fact that Putin STALIN is a class ENEMY, I think, undoubtedly

            Thank you for correcting! This is exactly the meaning I put in the post! ++++
        2. +4
          4 November 2014 16: 52
          Quote: DRA-88
          Comparison of these figures neither in scale, nor in importance, nor in ideology is inappropriate!

          Honestly, I don’t care about ideology, the main criterion: benefit for the state ..... In terms of scale, significance and other parameters - the descendants will reach their verdict .... I just wish that V.V.P. figured out the prosy dodges (liberals, please forgive the rude syllable), i.e. took an example from Joseph Vissarionovich .....
          1. Userpic
            +1
            4 November 2014 17: 24
            Quote: ziqzaq
            Honestly, I do not care about ideology, the main criterion: the benefit for the state .....
            Patriotic ...
            But what is behind your words?

            What is the benefit for the state? Is it good for what and for whom? What is a state?

            I only wish that V.V.P. figured out the prosy dodges (liberals, please forgive the rude syllable), i.e. took an example from Joseph Vissarionovich .....
            That is, you want (by analogy) the fascist to take an example from the anti-fascist and deal with other fascists ?! laughing
            1. +4
              4 November 2014 18: 01
              Quote: Userpic
              fascist took an example from anti-fascist

              How strange it is from your side to compare Putin with a fascist .... Do you in Russia "destroy" dissidents? Burning Jews? In my opinion, on the contrary, "Echo of Moscow", "Dozhd", "RBK" and other voice of the indignant office plankton are clicks with might and main ....
              The state, this is the basis for the survival of the nation as such ...
              1. Userpic
                +1
                4 November 2014 19: 09
                Quote: ziqzaq
                How strange it is on your part to compare Putin with the fascist ....
                So I did not compare laughing
                I drew an analogy from the series "bees against honey", which did not fail to clarify
                Quote: Userpic
                That is, you want (Similarly)...
                On the other hand, why not? Fascism is a product of capitalism and its advocate in acute crisis situations, and this, in turn, means that fascism has a place in the Russian Federation, but in a latent form ... So far ...

                Do you in Russia "destroy" dissidents?
                Dangerous to the regime of poison.

                Burning Jews?
                Fascism may be with racial sigrigation, or may be without.

                In my opinion, on the contrary, "Echo of Moscow", "Dozhd", "RBK" and the other voice of the indignant office plankton are clicking with might and main ....
                Since it was created by the authorities as a linden threat, and perfectly copes with its functions.

                The state, this is the basis for the survival of the nation as such ...
                The state is an instrument in the hands of the ruling class, no more.

                But the talk, in fact, was not about fascism: how does a comrade, who has been consistently upholding liberal positions for a quarter of a century, suddenly change his worldviews and interests for no reason and begin to put pressure on the liberals?
                1. 0
                  4 November 2014 20: 35
                  there is, there is the same fear. but there was hope for an internal political struggle (similar to the 20s 30s up to 39)
                  1. Userpic
                    +4
                    4 November 2014 21: 14
                    Quote: prio124
                    there was hope
                    Hope is generally understandable ...
                    Although he hopes that the gentleman who has long successfully and fruitfully collaborated (collaborated) with Sobchak, Chubais, Kudrin, Medvedev, Gref (etc.), and promoted by Yeltsin, will pursue a policy that runs counter to the interests of these people - it is, to put it mildly, irrational.
                2. +3
                  4 November 2014 20: 45
                  Quote: Userpic
                  But the talk, in fact, was not about fascism: how does a comrade, who has been consistently upholding liberal positions for a quarter of a century, suddenly change his worldviews and interests for no reason and begin to put pressure on the liberals?

                  Only Putin himself can answer your question, I have no information, only guesses ....

                  Quote: Userpic
                  Dangerous to the regime of poison.

                  Something from Kazakhstan is not visible:
                  Novodvorskaya died of her own death, the makaka.kukarevich even complains to the "darkest", the Venedicts, the Illarions, the Germans, the Kosyans, etc. etc. all live "not sour" ...
                  1. Userpic
                    +2
                    4 November 2014 21: 24
                    Quote: ziqzaq
                    Only Putin himself can answer your question
                    So he answers, not only with words, but also with deeds (see text in the picture)

                    Novodvorskaya died of her own death, the makaka.kukarevich even complains to the "darkest", the Venedicts, the Illarions, the Germans, the Kosyans, etc. etc. all live "not sour" ...
                    That's right - it is laughing
                    But where did you get the idea that the orange bug created by the Kremlin, represented by the ladies and gentlemen you listed, is dangerous for the regime that created it?

                    1. +2
                      5 November 2014 00: 18
                      Quote: Userpic
                      But where did you get the idea that the orange bug created by the Kremlin, represented by the ladies and gentlemen you listed, is dangerous for the regime that created it?

                      These individuals were created not by Putin, but by this "bad" individual ...
                      I agree with you, at the moment there is no particular threat, but in my opinion these weeds need to be thoroughly thinned out ...
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                      2. Userpic
                        0
                        5 November 2014 01: 23
                        Quote: ziqzaq
                        It was not Putin who created these individuals
                        Moms with dads created these individuals, and the orange jupiter created the Kremlin.

                        I agree with you, at the moment there is no particular threat, but in my opinion these weeds need to be thoroughly thinned out ...
                        For the Kremlin, to weed out these weeds is the same as to make a combat mission without heat traps.

                        http://politrash.livejournal.com/85930.html - Pay attention to "coincidences". smile
        3. DPN
          +1
          4 November 2014 17: 39
          While there are homeless people in the country, it is inappropriate to compare them, but in any case, so far this is the BEST that RUSSIA has at the moment !.
      4. +6
        4 November 2014 17: 37
        Quote: ziqzaq
        I really hope that over time V.V.P. will stand on a par with Joseph Vissarionovich ....

        Hardly. With all due respect to GDP, before Stalin he was like a well-known position before China. However, I will be glad to make a mistake.
    5. KEX
      +22
      4 November 2014 14: 25
      often say like: in hindsight we are all strong .... (like if I knew ... everything would be different)

      and here, everything has already been said, but for some reason forgotten ... Once again I am convinced - och a serious man was IP.
    6. +5
      4 November 2014 14: 29
      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
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    9. +1
      4 November 2014 15: 01
      Galicia under the "thorn" and for lifelong re-education. am Purely I got everyone.
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    11. Quantum
      +4
      4 November 2014 15: 10
      That's just a little exterminated Bandera. After serving in
      camps, they started raising young animals. The NKVD did not
      completed the task of cleaning Ukraine.
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    12. +2
      4 November 2014 18: 50
      Funny, everything is like a carbon copy in these nationalist marches. This is not a matter of mythical nationalism, the boat was rocked by the paid gentlemen under the slogans of nationalism, and then went full propaganda and voila. They are trying to do something with us too, it was not in vain that they changed the ambassador.
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      2. +5
        4 November 2014 21: 48
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Funny, everything is like a carbon copy in these nationalist marches. This is not a matter of mythical nationalism, the boat was rocked by the paid gentlemen under the slogans of nationalism, and then went full propaganda and voila. They are trying to do something with us too, it was not in vain that they changed the ambassador.

        At the end of the video I heard the fascist "Glory to Ukraine .." Is this really "Russian March"? Then I went to tinker with a flamethrower.
        Question to the Russian power structures: where are you, miserable? What are you waiting for?
        1. +1
          5 November 2014 14: 13
          Mummers! Dressed dill Galician! Here Russia did not smell even once!
          Otherwise, how can a Russian nationalist scream for the glory of another nation (also artificially created) ??? YES TO THE SAME JUST AND HARVESTLY RELATING TO ALL RUSSIAN!
          And do not prohibit this, the country must know its traitors About Makarevich, for example, we all already understood everything.
      3. +1
        5 November 2014 09: 52
        Something in my good old PC nostalgia woke up ... am
      4. 0
        7 November 2014 01: 46
        A couple of times to arrange a holiday Airborne laughing And they themselves jump into the FOUNTAINS good
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    14. +1
      4 November 2014 19: 22


      ...........................................
    15. Alf
      +4
      4 November 2014 19: 22
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Right was Joseph Vissarionovich at 100%

      The more I recognize Joseph Vissarionovich, the more I believe that in addressing the issue of nationalism he showed criminal leniency.
    16. Denis fj
      +3
      4 November 2014 19: 27
      Well, first of all, every politician has his own time and whoever managed to survive in it won. Stalin got a country without money, food, science and army and navy. (Russian patriots sailed abroad on ships) Therefore, Stalin had no choice. Either the people will die out of hunger, or conduct the so-called, Shock therapy. "And he coped, moreover, he emerged victorious in the war. Many say that there are many human victims. But this is a great merit of the Entente, who carried out subversive activities. But if then it is could be justified by different social systems, now what? Peter 1 said, "Russia has two friends, the army and the navy." And Vova should be respected for the fact that he does everything leisurely and efficiently. Yes, now corruption is undermining the system, but after all, a war is being waged with it, Almost every day we see new “heroes.” And we ourselves are largely to blame for this. I think he will settle everything competently with Ukraine, and many American and Western politicians will retire - of their own accord.
    17. +2
      4 November 2014 19: 40
      As I looked into the water. Gold words.
    18. +6
      4 November 2014 21: 02
      Of course, time has passed, a lot. But the events around us are very similar to those that were 70 years ago. This means that the diagnosis is not outdated.
      The classic is different in that it is almost always relevant.
      Detailed quotation from Isif Vissarionovich from the 26 conversation of March 1941. And the impression is that they talked in March 2014.
    19. +3
      4 November 2014 21: 48
      However, one should not forget that it was the Bolsheviks who cultivated and stimulated the so-called "Ukrainianity" in the 1920s, made the Little Russians a "special people" with their own culture, newspeak and mentality. As a result, we have what we have ...
      It is possible, necessary and important to be a moderate nationalist (not a chauvinist!) Nationalism is love for your people, your history and culture. Without opposing oneself to other peoples, without their humiliation and denial. This is a normal self-positioning in the world community. I am Russian and proud of it! To hell with any "internationalism". He is a betrayal of his ancestors, his roots and origins. This is what is called "without a clan, without a tribe," "not remembering kinship." Mankurt and cosmopolitan.
      To hell with any "tolerance"! I don’t want to endure the bad and I don’t want to "tolerate" the good. I want to enjoy the good!
      Joseph Vissarionych was right in many ways, but not in the main thing. He did not understand that it was impossible to create a superpower for many centuries on animal fear, fanatical faith, and on bare enthusiasm! For 70 years - yes, it worked. But not by 170, and especially not by 700. And how many lives were destroyed during this experiment, how many opportunities were lost ... And now everything has to be done again. The rake trip continues!
      1. Userpic
        +1
        4 November 2014 22: 39
        Quote: Naum
        it was the Bolsheviks who cultivated Ukraine


        214 STENOGRAPHIC REPORT OF THE X CONGRESS OF THE RCP (B.)

        Here I have a note that we, the Communists, are allegedly planting Belarusian nationality artificially. This is not true, because there is a Belarusian nationality, which has its own language different from Russian, which is why it is possible to raise the culture of the Belarusian people only in their native language. The same speeches were made about five years ago about Ukraine, about Ukrainian nationality. And recently, it was also said that the Ukrainian republic and Ukrainian nationality are an invention of the Germans. Meanwhile, it is clear that Ukrainian nationality exists, and the development of its culture is the duty of the Communists. You cannot go against history. It is clear that if Russian elements still prevail in Ukrainian cities, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized. About 40 years ago, Riga was a German city, but since cities grow at the expense of villages, and the village is the guardian of nationality, now Riga is a purely Latvian city. About 50 years ago, all the cities of Hungary had a German character, now they are Magyarized. The same can be said about those cities of Ukraine that are of a Russian character and which will be Ukrainianized, because cities are growing at the expense of the village. The village is the keeper of the Ukrainian language, and it will enter all Ukrainian cities as the dominant element. The same will happen with Belarus, in whose cities nebelorussians still prevail. It is true that the Belarusian masses, so far, are not very lively, so to speak, with a very great interest in the development of their national culture, but, of course, in a few years, as we appeal to the lower Belarusian, we will speak with by them in the language that they understand first of all - it is natural that in a year, two or three the question of the development of national culture in the native language will take on the character of paramount importance, and therefore I do not agree with the author of the note, which says that we are artificially planting Belarusian nationality.

        http://vkpb2kpss.ru/book_view.jsp?idn=002410&page=214&format=html
        1. Userpic
          0
          4 November 2014 22: 40
          Moderate nationalist
          Oga, oga - that’s where it all starts.

          Nationalism is love for one’s people
          It is a internationalism.

          I am Russian and proud of it!
          Be proud that in no way depended on you? laughing
          And here's another moment - you can be proud of only the best, which means that you put it in a proud nation over other nations.

          Fuck any "internationalism"
          Gy

          cosmopolitans
          Oh, what a mess in my head - put on a par with internationalists and cosmopolitans laughing

          I want to enjoy good!
          Hedonist found laughing

          And how many lives are lost
          How many? And by whom? smile
          1. +1
            5 November 2014 00: 35
            Quote: Userpic
            Quote: Naum
            Nationalism is love for one’s people
            This is internationalism.

            .....
            INTERNATIONALism - the international solidarity of people of different nations and races, the basis of their mutual understanding, mutual trust, interpenetration of cultures, values, knowledge and technologies; opposite to nationalism.

            Big Encyclopedic Dictionary. 2000.


            INTERNATIONALISM - The policy of the proletariat, aimed at uniting workers of all nationalities for a joint organized struggle to overthrow the power of the exploiting classes. "The consistent and completely revolutionary inertialism of the Bolsheviks is a model of proletarian-internationalism for the workers of all countries." Stalin.

            Explanatory dictionary Ushakov. D.N. Ushakov. 1935-1940.


            INTERNATIONALISM - The ideology and policy of equality and solidarity of all peoples, regardless of nationality.

            Explanatory Dictionary Ozhegova. S.I. Ozhegov, N.Yu. Shvedova. 1949-1992.

            Alas, not a word about love for his people.

            NATIONALISM - ideology and politics in the national question, the basis of which is the interpretation of the nation as the highest value and form of community .....

            Great Encyclopedic Dictionary


            NATIONALISM - the transformation of a living national self-consciousness into an abstract principle, affirming the national as the unconditional opposite of the universal, and its own as the unconditional opposite of the alien ....

            Encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron


            NATIONALISM - Bourgeois ideology and politics, putting its dominant nation in a privileged position and aimed at oppressing other nationalities, at creating enmity between them ....

            Explanatory dictionary Ushakov


            NATIONALISM - Ideology and politics, proceeding from the ideas of national superiority and opposing one’s nation to another. 2. The manifestation of the psychology of national superiority, national antagonism, the idea of ​​national isolation ....

            Explanatory dictionary of Ozhegov
            1. +5
              5 November 2014 00: 50
              RUSSIAN NATIONALISM

              NATIONALISM - the spiritual self-consciousness of the people, having a divine basis ....
              Therefore, nationalism manifests itself primarily in the instinct of national self-preservation, and this instinct is a true and justified state. One should not be ashamed of it, extinguish or jam it; one must comprehend it in the face of God, spiritually substantiate and ennoble its manifestations. This instinct should not slumber in the soul of the people, but be awake. He lives not at all "on the other side of good and evil," on the contrary, he is subject to the laws of good and spirit. He must have his manifestations in love, sacrifice, courage and wisdom; he must have his festivities, his joys, his sorrows and his prayers ...
              It should burn in the national culture and in the work of the national genius.
              Nationalism is a love of the historical appearance and creative act of its people in all its originality. Nationalism is a belief in the instinctive and spiritual strength of its people, a belief in its spiritual calling. Nationalism is the will of my people to flourish creatively and freely in God's garden. Nationalism is the contemplation of his people in the face of God, the contemplation of his soul, his shortcomings, his talents, his historical problems, his dangers and his temptations. Nationalism is a system of actions arising from this love, from this faith, from this will and from this contemplation ....
              Nationalism experiences, professes and defends the life of its people as a precious spiritual self-effulgence. He accepts the gifts and creations of his people as his own spiritual ground, as the starting point of his own creativity. And he is right about that. For a creative act is not invented by each person for himself, but is suffered and hatched by a whole nation for centuries. The spiritual structure of work and life and the spiritual structure of love and contemplation, prayer and cognition, with all its personal uniqueness, also has a national nature, national homogeneity and national originality. According to the general socio-psychological law, likeness unites people, communication strengthens this likeness, and the joy of being understood opens souls and deepens communication. That is why the national creative act makes people related to each other and awakens in them the desire to open up, speak out, give "their cherished" and find a response in others ....
              Nationalism is a healthy and justified mood of the soul. The fact that nationalism loves and what it serves is really worthy of love, struggle and sacrifice. And the coming Russia will be a national Russia.
              All that I have expressed in justification and justification of nationalism makes me agree and admit that there are sick and perverse forms of national sentiment and national politics. These perverted forms can be reduced to two main types: in the first case, the national feeling sticks to the unimportant in the life and culture of its people; in the second case, it turns the affirmation of its culture into a denial of a stranger. The combination and interweaving of these errors can give rise to a wide variety of types of sick nationalism ....

              And here Russian nationalism is nothing but a love for this historically established spiritual appearance and act of the Russian people; he is faith in this calling and strength given to us; he is the will to our heyday; he is the contemplation of our history, our historical task and our paths leading to this goal; he is a vigorous and tireless work dedicated to this distinctive greatness of the coming Russia.

              I.A. Ilyin
              Source: Encyclopedia "Russian Civilization"
            2. Userpic
              0
              5 November 2014 01: 47
              Quote: Normal
              Alas, not a word about love for his people
              How can you respect and equate other peoples if you do not like your own? smile

              Great Soviet Encyclopedia

              Internationalism (from lat. Inter - between and natio - people)
              international solidarity of workers, working people of various nations and races, manifested in psychology, ideology and politics. Expressing the common position and interests of the working class of various countries, I. guarantees the correct solution of its national and international tasksprovides unity of class content and the national form of social development, is the main prerequisite for the implementation of national interests.


              The point is that Marxists operate little with abstract concepts like "love", but speak specifically about interests. The fact that one's own people, traditions, culture for any person (with rare exceptions) is closer than foreign ones has never been disputed by anyone.

              ... Are we feeling great national pride in Great Russian conscious proletarians? Of course not! We love our language and our homeland, we are working most of all to raise its working masses (that is, 9/10 of its population) to the conscious life of democrats and socialists. We are most painful to see and feel what kind of violence, oppression and bullying our beautiful homeland is subjected to the royal executioners, nobles and capitalists. We are proud that these violence were repulsed from our midst, among the Great Russians, that this midst put forward Radishchev, the Decembrists, revolutionaries of the 70s, that the Great Russian working class created in 1905 a powerful revolutionary party of the masses, that the Great Russian peasant began at the same time becoming a democrat, he began to overthrow the priest and the landowner ...

              ... We are full of a sense of national pride, and that is why we especially hate our slave past (when the landowners, noblemen led the peasants to war to stifle the freedom of Hungary, Poland, Persia, China) and our slave present, when the same landowners, rushed by the capitalists , lead us to war "to stifle Poland and Ukraine, to crush the democratic movement in Persia and China, to strengthen the gang of Romanovs, Bobrinsky [13], Purishkevichs [14], which dishonors our Great Russian national dignity. [XNUMX] Nobody is to blame if he was born a slave; but a slave who not only shuns the aspirations for his freedom, but justifies and embellishes his slavery (for example, calls the strangulation of Poland, Ukraine, etc., the "defense of the fatherland" of the Great Russians), such a slave is a legitimate feeling of indignation, contempt and loathing lackey and boor ...

              IN AND. Lenin

              ON THE NATIONAL PRIDE OF THE GREAT RIGHTS
              1. 0
                5 November 2014 02: 08
                Quote: Userpic
                V.I. Lenin
                ON THE NATIONAL PRIDE OF THE GREAT RIGHTS

                I do not consider it possible to speak out about historical figures for myself for the reasons already stated.
                Quote: Normal

                I propose to leave the story alone. All that was - was not just like that, at the arbitrariness of certain individuals, but as a result of the prevailing conditions. All the same, we can’t change anything, and it’s easy to defraud.
                Let's argue and argue not about what happened, but about what is happening now.
                We can (if we want) change the present, and the past is beyond our control.

                I can only say that I have a rather complicated, ambiguous attitude towards Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin.
                I do not deny ANYTHING of what they have done or said. Neither good nor bad. But I do not accept for faith their (especially Lenin's) statements.
                The tactics of political struggle (and Lenin was the genius of this tactic) dictated their conditions, moves and temporal priorities.
                1. Userpic
                  +1
                  5 November 2014 02: 42
                  Quote: Normal
                  But I do not accept on faith their (especially Lenin's) statements.
                  Absolutely correct position.
                  But the joke is that nothing needs to be taken on faith - it is enough to compare the stated goals and real affairs.

                  As for nationalism as such, we both, in my opinion, are emotionally domestic nationalists (this is not good, but this is a fact), and we do not drag our nationalism into the political sphere, and we do not scream at every corner that we better than the rest.
                  And the same Ilyin, under the cover of magnificent verbiage, we are talking just about political nationalism - the very Great Russian chauvinism described by Lenin, which you not only regularly observe in the military, but also regularly fight with manifestations of it.
          2. 0
            6 November 2014 21: 18
            Adequately - GY!
    20. +1
      4 November 2014 22: 31
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Right was Joseph Vissarionovich at 100%

      Joseph Vissarionovich, was right. He said this before the war. Unfortunately, he could not burn it out.
      I really hope that my help will be useful at the forefront. I mean that in my country there will not be (those who do not remember Ivanov), and in my country no one will call themselves Khokhl ....
    21. 0
      4 November 2014 22: 58
      Am I shocked, did he foresee everything? Or did he very deeply understand the issue and the West? I think the latter. Here and a bloody tyrant, one cannot help but admit that he had a state-of-the-art mind and still recall and read his works. I have to teach and instruct us. It's a pity they forgot about it in 1985-2000. It was expensive.
    22. 0
      5 November 2014 08: 09
      Well, now we have a new Uncle Joe ...
    23. -1
      6 November 2014 16: 24
      And he was right and was wise, and he lifted the country seventeen years after the civil disruption, and won a terrible war. Great person. I regret one thing - I didn’t leave any worthy receivers.
    24. 0
      6 November 2014 19: 14
      STALIN IS A GENIUS !!! And not just the Father of All Nations. A really brilliant "political husband". And such people see far ahead of history. and just over time we are convinced of the brilliant insight of such people.
    25. smern1974
      0
      6 November 2014 20: 00
      but he knew that he would repeat his path but he was not responsible for it
    26. -1
      6 November 2014 22: 12
      Here we can say what we want, but without Stalin's grandfather, without General Sudoplatov, our conversations will remain conversations!
      GDP does not have that willpower, there is no that spirit that Stalin had ... After all, even with the Central Bank of Russia, a branch of the mattress IMF, it cannot cope!
      When our president gives an instruction to the Central Bank, and for the third time, and the Central Bank officials lay parted on him, I feel sad, and anger begins to boil in my soul ... Well, to the point, already ???
      When will the new Stalin restore order in the country? When will they tear Chubais, Serdyukov, Nemtsov and others like them from the feeder?
      WHEN THE SAME RUSSIA WILL TAKE PLACE ?!
  2. +25
    4 November 2014 14: 10
    Well, who's to say that Joseph Vissarionovich is wrong? Written in 1941 is very relevant today in 2014.
    1. +11
      4 November 2014 14: 54
      "The so-called independence of the so-called independent Georgia,
      Armenia, Poland, Finland, etc. there is only a deceptive appearance,
      covering the full dependence of these, so to speak, states on
      one or another group of imperialists. "
      I.V. Stalin. ("The policy of the Soviet government on the national question in Russia" v.4
      p. 353.)
      1. jjj
        +3
        4 November 2014 17: 15
        And there’s nothing to add
  3. +19
    4 November 2014 14: 10
    Yes, the great was a man
    1. +3
      4 November 2014 21: 13
      Unfortunately, young people now imagine him as a bloodthirsty tyrant who only did what he destroyed his own people. Liberal propaganda has done its job.
  4. +8
    4 November 2014 14: 11
    True, our strength is in unity.
  5. +12
    4 November 2014 14: 12
    You won’t be more specific. This is the person who called things by their own names. It’s very timely right now. Well, of course, a plus.
    1. +14
      4 November 2014 14: 41
      "You want to make your country forward in the sense of raising it
      statehood, - raise the literacy of the population, raise your culture
      countries, the rest will follow. "

      I.V. Stalin. (IV meeting of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) with senior officials of national
      republics and regions "v.5 p.329.)
  6. -2
    4 November 2014 14: 12
    I have a dual attitude to the personality of I.V. Stalin. But alas, including him, we must be "grateful" for the situation in the SE (((
    Why he joined the Western Uraine to me is still not clear ((If there weren’t this hotbed of fascist and centrifugal ideas in the USSR, many problems could have been avoided (
    1. igorche
      +20
      4 November 2014 14: 21
      Stalin did not imagine that the USSR would become so weak that it would allow this scum to breed after it was strangled. And western Ukraine was needed strategically so that the Carpathian ridge was on the territory of the USSR and in which case was a natural obstacle to the enemy’s path, and not ours
      1. +2
        4 November 2014 14: 37
        A politician of a national scale is precisely the difference from us with us, because he is looking not for 10-50 years ahead, but for centuries. One could look at historical examples (also the Principality of Poland as part of the Republic of Ingushetia - how many times did they join or the Baltic states - how quickly they merged after the collapse of the empire). And the Carpathians did not help so much in 41 (((
        1. +3
          4 November 2014 15: 00
          Quote: alex56
          A politician on a national scale ... looks not for 10-50 years ahead, but for centuries ...

          Who are you talking about? What categories of eras do you think?
          Now is the XNUMXst century after the birth of Christ, not before it. Now in ten years, everything in the world is changing more than then in a century.
    2. +6
      4 November 2014 14: 52
      Quote: alex56
      I have a dual attitude to the personality of I.V. Stalin. But alas, including him, we must be "grateful" for the situation in the SE (((
      Why he joined the Western Uraine to me is still not clear ((If there weren’t this hotbed of fascist and centrifugal ideas in the USSR, many problems could have been avoided (

      Neg simply did not have enough time, and after him, some people from Ukraine ruled, they could not offend "their" people.
    3. +1
      4 November 2014 15: 29
      Why he joined the Western Uraine to me is still not clear ((If there weren’t this hotbed of fascist and centrifugal ideas in the USSR, many problems could have been avoided (


      As if having a border would prevent nationalists from doing their dirty deed. especially taking into account the transparency of ukranogranitsov and frankly closing the eyes of SBU.
      And so in general it would be possible to say why they dragged Sprotland by the ears, why Georgians-Armenians. There is nothing to "scatter volosts". If there were no betrayal, then the Westerners could not do anything.
    4. +3
      4 November 2014 16: 12
      Apparently Stalin wanted the territory of Galicia to always be under the control of the NKVD, and if it remained a part of other states it would be a constant headache on the border, and so everything is "under the control of a tough hand!"
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  7. +4
    4 November 2014 14: 13
    Stalin correctly spoke. And now they must be fought with all their might. Too much of this pus has appeared. soldier
  8. -31
    4 November 2014 14: 14
    Demagoguery of the "Great schizophrenic", not a conversation with Yakovlev. Today's Ukraine is a natural result of the policy of the Great Communist and romantic-slayer Stalin. Mass executions had to be applied to the Galicians, first of all, and not to the Russians. And not to send zapadianskuyu infection throughout Russia for preservation.
    1. +25
      4 November 2014 14: 33
      “The more facts about Stalin and his era you learn, the grander the figure of this Great Genius looms.
      For me today - attitude to Stalin is a criterion of mind and honesty:
      an anti-Stalinist is either illiterate or a scoundrel.
      There is no third".

      Prof. S. Lopatnikov
      1. +2
        4 November 2014 15: 22
        Quote: robert49
        “The more facts about Stalin and his era you learn, the grander the figure of this Great Genius looms.
        For me today - attitude to Stalin is a criterion of mind and honesty:
        an anti-Stalinist is either illiterate or a scoundrel.
        There is no third".

        Prof. S. Lopatnikov

        Any categorical categorization always alarms me. Black-white vision (opinion) is always wrong. The truth, as a rule, is in the middle (the very third one in which you are trying to refuse people).
        1. +6
          4 November 2014 15: 25
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Any categorical categorization alarms me. Black-and-white opinions are always mistaken.

          The bias towards local nationalism reflects the discontent of the obsolete classes
          previously oppressed nations by the regime of the dictatorship of the proletariat, their desire
          isolate yourself in your national bourgeois state and establish your
          class domination.
          The danger of this bias is that it cultivates the bourgeois
          nationalism weakens the unity of the working people of the USSR and plays the game
          interventionists.
          I.v. Stalin. This is the essence of the bias towards local nationalism.
          ("Political report of the Central Committee to the XVI Congress of the CPSU (b)" v.12
          p. 371.)
      2. Zlata
        +1
        9 November 2014 00: 44
        Quote: robert49
        “The more facts about Stalin and his era you learn, the grander the figure of this Great Genius looms.
        For me today - attitude to Stalin is a criterion of mind and honesty:
        an anti-Stalinist is either illiterate or a scoundrel.
        There is no third".

        Prof. S. Lopatnikov


        If it was written by some Lopatnikov (?), Then he is simply moronic, nothing more. Some kind of militant dementia)).
    2. Mwg
      +17
      4 November 2014 14: 52
      There were no mass shootings. You have been deceived, or you yourself are glad to be deceived. They were under Trotsky, they were under Lenin, but under Stalin they were not. There was a GULAG with him. And these are not shootings, these are camps. A network of camps where the "liberals" worked with their hands, and not from the rostrum with their tongues.
      1. Userpic
        -2
        4 November 2014 16: 24
        Quote: MVG
        Under Trotsky, under Lenin

        What are you talking about? Everything is clear with Kagulin, but what kind of mass executions are you talking about? Facts?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          +2
          4 November 2014 18: 24
          Quote: Userpic
          but what kind of mass executions are you talking about? Facts?

          Decree of the SNK of the RSFSR of September 5, 1918 "On the Red Terror"
          http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%CF%EE%F1%F2%E0%ED%EE%E2%EB%E5%ED%E8%E5_%D1%CD%CA_
          %D0%D1%D4%D1%D0_%EE%F2_5.09.1918_%CE_%AB%EA%F0%E0%F1%ED%EE%EC_%F2%E5%F0%F0%EE%F0
          % E5% BB
          1. Userpic
            +2
            4 November 2014 19: 24
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Decree of the SNK of the RSFSR of September 5, 1918 "On the Red Terror"
            How does this decision indicate massive executions?

      2. Zlata
        0
        9 November 2014 00: 41
        Quote: MVG
        There were no mass shootings. You have been deceived, or you yourself are glad to be deceived. They were under Trotsky, they were under Lenin, but under Stalin they were not. There was a GULAG with him. And these are not shootings, these are camps. A network of camps where the "liberals" worked with their hands, and not from the rostrum with their tongues.

        Yeah ..... you, excuse me, fell off the moon? Or didn’t this affect your relatives - that means there wasn’t?
    3. +7
      4 November 2014 15: 16
      Quote: Kagulin
      Demagoguery of the "Great schizophrenic", not a conversation with Yakovlev. Today's Ukraine is a natural result of the policy of the Great Communist and romantic-slayer Stalin. Mass executions had to be applied to the Galicians, first of all, and not to the Russians. And not to send zapadianskuyu infection throughout Russia for preservation.

      Anglo-Saxon-style bullshit (they would've done it)! There is no need to transfer the merits of the "great" corn-grower to Stalin.
      1. jjj
        +6
        4 November 2014 17: 30
        For the entire time from 1919 to 1949, 642 thousand people were shot, including the executions of the wartime of the Great Patriotic War. Moreover, most of the executed were in Yagoda and Yezhov, as well as at the insistence of regional troikas, which were created at the request of the regional committee secretaries after the XYII Congress of the "winners". Yes, the innocent also suffered. But the urge to murder precisely on the basis of class is terribly Trotskyism. With this, thank God, it was over. Although occasional relapses did occur. But all the same, for all the time of the so-called "bloody bacchanalia" a little more than 20 thousand people were shot each year. For comparison, more people die every year in car accidents on our roads. And no one in the public is moaning over this fact
        1. +1
          4 November 2014 17: 41
          to be honest, I am surprised by such reasoning
          Yes, the innocent suffered too.
          such you know the go-ahead ... well, business then .. yes some people suffered there ...
          Although occasional relapses did occur. But all the same, for all the time of the so-called "bloody bacchanalia" a little more than 20 thousand people were shot each year
          this is the continuation of the thesis .. I just remembered one goblin that went through the first without a scratch and often threw the young ones from above, saying that it was really a war ... just before ... and when it was left without a leg, already when WHO was canceled, I wanted ask (well, of course, no one asked) -Well, how do you care? When did you lose your leg? And what is the difference specifically to one or the other, when his life will be taken?
          Compare, on our roads in car accidents more people die every year.
          do you feel the difference when in a car accident and when you are being executed? when you fell and broke your leg and when you end up with wheels?
          1. jjj
            +2
            4 November 2014 20: 07
            I made a comparison about the modern death of people on the roads so that we can judge the influence of the psychological factor. So 25 thousand people died a year from car accidents. Relatives, of course, are grieving. But at the same time there are shows, people go to resorts, make lovers. And they drive cars, moreover, buying them in an increasing number. It doesn’t scare anyone that any of them can die completely innocently. And in society there is no fear of motor vehicles. But now we are people pampered and psychologically less resistant than those who lived in the thirties and forties. But the death toll does not affect us at all.
            Therefore, we can project a given psychological situation at that time. And we will understand that even then there could not have been a paralyzing fear in the country. Liberal manipulators also understand this. That is why the myth of the millions tortured "in Stalin's dungeons" began to circulate. Trotsky's atrocities are shyly forgotten, and Stalin is credited with all the atrocities.
            About the innocent. The most striking thing is that they just missed the street "for distribution". Here is a completely democratic plan, the author Sergei Dovlatov shared a very interesting thought. I am giving it as a presentation.
            "What to do with four million denunciations. They were not written by Stalin or Beria, not Yagoda and not Yezhov. They were written by nice, decent people on their relatives, friends and colleagues." I emphasize once again that this is not a literal quotation, but a retelling from memory. So, all innocent people either interfered with someone, or at their expense someone wanted to improve their situation.
            At that time, a lot of ignorant, but at the same time proud people came to the power structures of the lower and regional levels. Few knowing how to practically do, they considered themselves kings, forgetting about party duty. These kings ruined people, relying on denunciations and on the bodies of the same not very distant and bloodthirsty subjects. To clear this whole system, which was not created by Stalin, Joseph Vissarionovich himself had to practically before the war. And this despite the fact that in the country there were real large-scale conspiracies to overthrow the system and transfer the territory under the control of leading Western countries
          2. Zlata
            0
            9 November 2014 00: 51
            Quote: Gleb
            to be honest, I am surprised by such reasoning
            Yes, the innocent suffered too.
            such you know the go-ahead ... well, business then .. yes some people suffered there ...


            Yes, this attitude also surprises me. To put it mildly.
    4. +1
      4 November 2014 20: 32
      The flayer would be exhausted. Taki flayer or resettled?
  9. +11
    4 November 2014 14: 14
    Like it or not, but Joseph Vissarionovich, he was a wise man and a great statesman!
    But it’s just that there’s not enough liberalism in the Gulag planted ... it’s like a weed, it must be uprooted, and even that will sprout! So much so that a whole power from the inside will be torn apart!
    They torn up the Russian empire, the USSR was torn up and they cannot calm down, choosing to be their assistants, including nationalists of all stripes!
  10. +2
    4 November 2014 14: 15
    Still relevant! I respect you. hi
  11. +6
    4 November 2014 14: 16
    The Caucasian man himself, stood for Russia. And he thought clearly and clearly. Sorry, you can’t get it back. Now I would have puffed up a pipe, and striated at once done in panties.
    1. 0
      4 November 2014 14: 20
      And "belolentochniki" at once would have become ardent patriots and louder than all they branded the West with shame.
  12. +41
    4 November 2014 14: 17
    The smartest was MAN!
  13. +7
    4 November 2014 14: 17
    Clever, great, the main thing is that he directed all his activities to the good of the state. There were mistakes and big mistakes but, I think, no one can accuse him of acting out of his personal, selfish interests. The main tragedy of the USSR, in my opinion, was that there was no longer a leader who would put state interests above personal ones.
  14. +4
    4 November 2014 14: 18
    And who minus the article, well, at least somehow explain the reasons. It’s kind of vile. I.V.S - memory for all time!
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    2. +4
      4 November 2014 14: 27
      Quote: Kovlad
      And who minus the article, well, at least somehow explain the reasons. It’s kind of vile. I.V.S - memory for all time!

      Yes, the same minus who advocates on the next branch for a new holiday and on November 7th they smear with mud.
  15. +10
    4 November 2014 14: 18
    Briefly and concretely. And still relevant! Right I.V. Stalin! hi
  16. hard
    +2
    4 November 2014 14: 18
    Still, I.V. Stalin was the smartest person. Not just that the liberals, spraying poisonous saliva, watered his name and memory with slop. More than one bucket of mud is poured on Stalin; they probably realize their worthlessness before him. Even my esteemed Mr. Zhirinovsky was noted at the time. I repeat: everyone can kick a dead lion (insert the necessary).
    1. Zlata
      -1
      9 November 2014 01: 08
      Quote: hard
      Still, I.V. Stalin was the smartest person. Not just that the liberals, spraying poisonous saliva, watered his name and memory with slop. More than one bucket of mud is poured on Stalin; they probably realize their worthlessness before him. Even my esteemed Mr. Zhirinovsky was noted at the time. I repeat: everyone can kick a dead lion (insert the necessary).

      Yes Yes. And if your loved ones were now taken and shot, what would you sing, eh?
  17. +2
    4 November 2014 14: 18
    Stalin was right, and this applied not only to Ukrainian, but also to all other nationalists. And there were enough of them and there are enough in all WITHOUT EXCLUSION republics of the Union. And it’s time for us to learn how to distinguish them from normal people in these republics. With the same Ukrainians there is a clear excess. Yes, there were and there are Bandera in Ukraine and others like them, but there are much more normal people there and there’s no borzoi who call all Ukrainians dill. And this trend clearly prevails on this site.
  18. 0
    4 November 2014 14: 19
    The department, population, and other influences on entire nations are more humane than democratic revolutions with a lot of victims. So the question is whether this was a mistake at the time. As for Ukraine, the people there have rotted so far that they just need to be dispersed from there around the world. Then there will be a normal healthy territory and all living things.
  19. fim lex
    0
    4 November 2014 14: 20
    THIS IS AN OLD AS WORLD RECEPTION.
  20. Tribuns
    +22
    4 November 2014 14: 32
    But we must not forget that Joseph Stalin, branding radical nationalists in individual republics of the Soviet Union, recognized the Russian people as state-building - cementing the friendship of all the peoples of the USSR. And this was clearly manifested in Stalin's toast in 1945 after the victory over Germany:
    “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast.
    As a representative of our Soviet Government, I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian people.
    I drink, above all, for the health of the Russian people because it is the most prominent nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.
    I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned in this war and earlier earned the title, if you like, of the leading force of our Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
    I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have common sense, general political common sense and patience.
    Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941 - 42, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there weren’t another way out. Some other people could say: you did not live up to our hopes, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. This could happen, keep in mind.
    But the Russian people did not agree to this, the Russian people did not compromise, they showed unlimited trust in our government. I repeat, we had mistakes, the first two years our army was forced to retreat, it turned out that we did not master the events, did not cope with the situation. However, the Russian people believed, endured, waited and hoped that we would cope with events.
    It is for this trust in our government that the Russian people have shown us, thank you very much!
    For the health of the Russian people! ”
    1. +1
      4 November 2014 19: 18

      and we still hang noodles about a multinational state.
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 09: 12
        Who dared to put a minus to the president of Russia?
    2. 0
      5 November 2014 12: 02
      And after this speech - "Leningradskoe Delo", where the defendants (Voznesensky-Kuznetsov bloc) were accused and shot for "manifestation of Great Russian chauvinism" expressed in the desire to create their own state institutions in the RSFSR with further secession from the USSR ?? This is normal for the "leading people."
    3. Zlata
      -1
      9 November 2014 01: 11
      A toast to the health of the Russian people? How cute)). But could you simply NOT DESTROY this same people?
  21. 0
    4 November 2014 14: 33
    Neither add nor subtract!
  22. +3
    4 November 2014 14: 36
    "If they are allowed to act with impunity, they will bring a lot of trouble. That is why they must be kept in an iron bridle, not allowed to undermine the unity of the Soviet Union." And we forgot this covenant, we grew up to our misfortune "miserable and corrupt leaders of different nations"that the homeland was sold for beads.
  23. +18
    4 November 2014 14: 37
    I.V. Stalin. From the recording of the conversation with A. Kollontai:

    * "Many deeds of our party and people will be perverted and spat upon
    First of all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism striving for
    world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements.
    He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw material
    appendage. And my name will also be defamed, slandered. I will attribute a lot
    atrocities.

    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our
    Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR is in friendship
    peoples.

    The edge of the struggle will be directed, first of all, at breaking this
    friendship, to break the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we are not all
    made. There is still a big field of work.

    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He is for a while
    crush internationalism and patriotism, only for a while. Will arise
    national groups within nations and conflicts. There will be a lot
    pygmy leaders, traitors within their nations.

    In general, in the future, development will go more complex and even frantic
    ways, turns will be extremely steep. The point is that especially
    the East will be agitated. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.

    And yet, no matter how events develop, but time will pass, and
    the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our
    Socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come.
    They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due.

    They will build their future on our past. "*
    1. 0
      4 November 2014 23: 19
      how he looked into the water.
  24. +5
    4 November 2014 14: 42
    Stalin, who is commonly called a "bloody dictator" among the "liberals", treated the Bandera murderers very humanely. These scumbags were given a dozen and EVERYTHING !!! At the same time, many did not sit out and were released early at 53.
  25. +4
    4 November 2014 14: 45
    This number is with us while we are alivewill not pass.

    Ehhh ....
  26. +2
    4 November 2014 14: 45
    Eh Vissarionitch, you should see what’s happening now ..... it’s evident that your sayings were poorly read ..... but in vain.
  27. hard
    +1
    4 November 2014 14: 49
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The Caucasian man himself, stood for Russia. And he thought clearly and clearly. Sorry, you can’t get it back. Now I would have puffed up a pipe, and striated at once done in panties.

    Stalin said: - "The strength of the USSR is in the friendship of peoples," and the current liberalization is plotting de-Stalinization. This will be followed by: de-Russification, detatarization, debashkirization, etc. etc. Let's finally turn our face to the West and the United States, put our left hand on the elbow of our right and say together: "***** ** ***" (insert kind words).
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  29. 0
    4 November 2014 14: 57
    Really great Stalin. Really miss him today.
  30. pinecone
    -1
    4 November 2014 15: 00
    All the same, it is not clear why in 1936. Stalin considered it possible to grant the Union republics the constitutional right to secede from the USSR.
    1. Userpic
      +3
      4 November 2014 16: 36
      Quote: pinecone
      All the same, it is not clear why in 1936. Stalin considered it possible to grant the Union republics the constitutional right to secede from the USSR.

      Because it was union republics, not vassals. Because the USSR was union of republics, not an empire.
      1. 0
        5 November 2014 10: 20
        Not quite right. Stalin was not really such a tyrant as they paint us. Such a question was not only decided by Stalin.
        1. Userpic
          0
          5 November 2014 13: 26
          The pinecone sentence, which is interrogative, refers to Stalin’s motives.
  31. 0
    4 November 2014 15: 01
    It’s time to recall Stalin’s covenants.
  32. Mwg
    +2
    4 November 2014 15: 02
    JV Stalin said a lot and did the right thing. Almost everything. I did not allow to create conspiracies - so this is correct. As a result, he created such a state that after his death for 40 years they broke, broke and barely broke. And then, if it were not for the "sincerely mistaken" in the form of the HMS and EBN, the USSR would still be standing. And in fact it was true “I don’t know of any other country where a person breathes so freely”. What awaits our children? If only Vladimir Putin did not disappoint. To be honest, I personally hope for him ..
    1. Userpic
      +4
      4 November 2014 16: 37
      Quote: MVG
      If only Vladimir Putin did not let us down. Honestly, I personally hope for him ..

      Hope, hope ...

      1. 0
        4 November 2014 16: 48
        where does the quote come from? I remember his speech and to be honest to me it is not very ... our leader split in two, and he ended on "And this way of managing the state is unacceptable "
        technically left ...
        We need to consider historical events together ...
        if this is correct, then let's consider it here as well
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          0
          4 November 2014 17: 42
          Quote: Gleb
          where did the quote come from?
          S 01: 30



          I remember his speech and honestly to me it is not very ... our leader bifurcated
          He never speaks directly and constantly spills anti-Soviet myths.

          1. 0
            4 November 2014 17: 46
            thank you! here he already spoke more specifically ((
            1. Userpic
              +1
              4 November 2014 18: 12
              Quote: Gleb
              here he spoke more specifically ((

              Pay attention to one detail: both he and Medvedev advocate the presumption of innocence (this can be traced from the statements regarding Chubais and Serdyukov).
              But as soon as it comes to the Soviet period, then this period without any judicial assessments is called criminal - is it normal? laughing

              1. +1
                4 November 2014 18: 27
                By the way, I’m just a descendant of those who were evicted to Kazakhstan. But I have never heard from my reproaches towards Stalin.
                ____________________________
                here I was distracted by such a moment. November 9, our Seryoga Kovalev will fight with the American, so he-Hopkins called himself "Ukraine" and promised to enter the ring in blue and yellow gloves ...
                on all fronts we are being attacked ...
                1. Userpic
                  +3
                  4 November 2014 18: 54
                  Quote: Gleb
                  By the way, I’m just a descendant of those who were evicted to Kazakhstan. But I have never heard from my reproaches towards Stalin.
                  Just then, people realized that a few hundred thousand rounds of ammunition cost the country much less than the resettlement of several hundred thousand people)))

                  on all fronts we are being attacked ...
                  And regularly - a mental attack, so to speak ... laughing
                  1. +1
                    5 November 2014 10: 51
                    Just then, people realized that a few hundred thousand rounds of ammunition cost a lot cheaper than relocating a few hundred thousand people
                    I understand almost any humor and I think you didn’t put sarcasm into it, but actually it wasn’t very fun for them. That is, they lifted it day or night, made it possible to take the most necessary things that could be carried away. And the whole economy remained. ?all.
                    and with children, sick, old in uninhabited territories, in heaters, trailers, shacks ... and this is in the best case, otherwise they could go to the labor army, to hell ... and most importantly, FOR NO THAT. whatever the NKVD defenders methods, but really the bulk have suffered for nothing. in particular, just for nationality.
                    and now, when people of different nationalities, including Kazakhs, with whom they began to live anew. live from hand to mouth, united in uninhabited places, in difficulties ... they forgot about some national misunderstandings that often come up today. it just didn't make a difference, who, of what nationality, if everyone survived under equal conditions. And this solidarity has survived until today (although it is forgotten). When I first arrived in the center of Russia, he was a little dumbfounded by the fact that the neighbor could not greet his neighbor, that to go to a neighbor and ask for some sort of trifle is not so normal ...
                    In Siberia, it still somehow remained. People are easier or something. The same links and settlements here also influenced the way of life. Simplicity of life, etc. ...
                    1. Userpic
                      0
                      5 November 2014 13: 49
                      Quote: Gleb
                      it wasn’t very fun for them
                      Of course, but let's look at it from the other side:

                      Many were sent for nothing, but was there a reason for the expulsion?
                      For example, Chechens - what part (in %%) acted against the Soviets? And what part knew and covered about this?
                      Was it possible at that time to deal with each separately?

                      And the leadership, instead of the punitive operation, which is several times cheaper, decides on (in form) the evacuation, while pulling out considerable resources from the system of the economy for transportation, food, accommodation, providing work (how this was done on the ground is a separate issue).
                      Is it humane or not?

                      when I first arrived in the center of Russia, he was a little dumbfounded by the fact that the neighbor couldn’t say hello to the neighbor, that to go to the neighbor and ask for some little thing is not so normal ...
                      A similar atemization was observed to a greater extent in the city, and only the last quarter of a century, capitalism (c), has really sharp forms.
                      1. 0
                        5 November 2014 13: 56
                        Was it possible at that time to deal with each separately?
                        Yes, I myself have the same opinion that it was not possible to sort. I mean that it is inappropriate to ironize here. Besides the Chechens there are, after all, many more other examples?
                        A similar atemization was observed to a greater extent in the city, and only the last quarter of a century has really sharp forms - capitalism (c)
                        only I told you just in the framework of these last 20-15 years. in one place they will open you at night, but in the other they won’t answer during the day. It’s clear that capitalism can be taken for a reason, but here and there in the Soviet era there were problems. It’s not for nothing that Muscovites were called in the army ...
                        there’s another question, where is this Russian spirit and world really ...
                      2. Userpic
                        -1
                        5 November 2014 15: 45
                        Quote: Gleb
                        I mean, it’s inappropriate to be ironic here
                        I'm ironic over fool whining about the bloody Stalin, and point blank not observing the 3 cities and 000 villages and villages that became extinct, and from which people left as forcedly, but at their own expense, into the unknown and without any help.

                        besides the Chechens there are, after all, many more other examples?
                        Of course. But all the relocations took place according to one scheme - transportation for the state account, provision of food for the state account, provision of housing for the state account, provision of work under general conditions. But the performance could be lame.

                        there’s another question, where is this Russian spirit and world really ...
                        Complex issue.
                2. 0
                  4 November 2014 19: 16
                  Oh well him, another Klitschko shell-shocked !!!
                3. 0
                  4 November 2014 20: 22
                  Quote: Gleb
                  By the way, I’m just a descendant of those who were evicted to Kazakhstan. But I have never heard from my reproaches towards Stalin.
                  By the way, "Kazaku Ermak" from Petropavlovsk, Uzbeks, Kazakhs a couple of times suggested changing the flag of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the flag of the USSR in the profile. However, for some reason he refused request
                  What Kazakhs, of course, puzzled, because the Cossack Great Russia ..
                  As I understand it, for the descendant of the declared Cossacks, the turquoise flag of Kazakhstan is less unacceptable than the red banner of the Soviet Union ... recourse
                  Maybe wrong, so speculation ..
                  1. 0
                    5 November 2014 10: 45
                    I don’t know. For me, such things are not a problem
                4. 0
                  5 November 2014 14: 06
                  GOOD LUCK to the duel to Sergey Kovalev! As they say ... beat the niggas to be afraid of yours ...!
  33. hard
    0
    4 November 2014 15: 03
    I wonder what the minus is? Have I misled you, or are you convinced of my wrong? Please explain. Commentary, please, for the objection - no minuses. But actually, we all have the right to have our own point of view and, in particular, we can be mistaken.
  34. Bator79
    +2
    4 November 2014 15: 06
    Stalin is the greatest ruler in the history of Russia. The creator of the most powerful state in the history of Russia.
    1. Userpic
      0
      4 November 2014 16: 39
      Quote: Bator79
      Stalin is the greatest ruler

      HEAD
    2. Zlata
      -1
      7 November 2014 13: 13
      Quote: Bator79
      Stalin is the greatest ruler in the history of Russia. The creator of the most powerful state in the history of Russia.

      The killer of millions of Russian people.
      1. VladVlad
        -2
        14 November 2014 14: 46
        Quote: Zlata
        The killer of millions of Russian people.


        It has already been mentioned here:
        "For all the time from 1919 to 1949, 642 thousand people were shot, including the executions of the wartime of the Great Patriotic War. Moreover, most of those shot were in Yagoda and Yezhov, as well as at the insistence of regional troikas, which were created at the request of the secretaries of regional committees after the XYII Congress." winners ".
        So Stalin is the murderer of several thousand traitors and presumptuous bosses who KILLED Russian people. Feel the difference. And if you have one of the ancestors was convicted or shot - then rightly so. That is: fair and for the cause.
        And about the millions of those killed (according to Solzhenitsyn - as much as 60 million!) - this is to let Svanidze, and all the current authorities are foolish, they are not tired of lying yet.
        I’ll only add: Stalin didn’t plant and clean. Khrushchev, for example, left, Yakovlev too. Gorbachev had to be in the bud, a pioneer, in the Stavropol Territory to be sent to re-education in a children's labor colony. And all sorts of Zlat and now it would be nice to retrain to school for the mentally retarded ...
        1. Zlata
          +1
          16 November 2014 23: 41
          Quote: VladVlad
          ........... And if you have one of the ancestors was convicted or shot - then rightly so. That is: fair and for the cause.
          I’ll only add: Stalin didn’t plant and clean. ......


          YOU ARE SCATTERING, MENTALLY RETARDED. Your grandfathers wrote denunciations, probably. At a meeting I would spit in your face. Balls.
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  35. +1
    4 November 2014 15: 06
    GLORY TO GREAT STALIN! drinks soldier
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  36. Bator79
    +2
    4 November 2014 15: 11
    Quote: pinecone
    Stalin considered it possible to grant the Union republics the constitutional right to secede from the USSR.

    When the USSR was created, Lenin proposed a union of equal republics that could easily separate from the USSR, which, in fact, happened in 1991. Stalin proposed a project of a unitary state in which other republics (Ukraine, Belarus, the Transcaucasian region) simply were part of the RSFSR as autonomies and had no right to exit. As a result, the Leninist version was adopted
  37. +1
    4 November 2014 15: 13
    Quote: pinecone
    All the same, it is not clear why in 1936. Stalin considered it possible to grant the Union republics the constitutional right to secede from the USSR.

    You exaggerate the fullness of Stalin's power in 1936. Decisions were made in partisanship.
    1. +5
      4 November 2014 15: 15
      Quote: Pafka
      Decisions were made in a party.

      Collegially.
      1. jjj
        +1
        5 November 2014 00: 57
        Quote: DRA-88
        Collegially.

        And democratically centralized
  38. +1
    4 November 2014 15: 13
    it’s hard to fight against nationalism ... they shot Bandera ... who they planted ... and their business lived ... and developed ... in their wives and children (according to the stories of my grandmother). not to shoot children of 5-6 year olds ... women ... otherwise, we will not differ in any way from them ... as well as in many respects we do not differ now (it’s good even if only in verbal battles) ... and remember about the same Caucasus ..in which they pile a lot of money (for some reason I feel sorry for some) ... about the Chechens ... about a lot of people coming ... yes, the country is now full of nationalism..tense like a bare wire .. and this is a problem ... no illusions . Here is the holiday of November 4 ... what's bad about it? and some of them blaspheme ... for November 7, they advocate .... tell me ... what's wrong with the festival of national unity? unity of all peoples of the country? nothing wrong i think. but no ... some do not like it. And the biggest problem in our country is the lack of unity (rare flashes in the form of reunification with the Crimea ... these are only rare flashes ... which, moreover, are already beginning to pass).
    Our main problem at all times ... we are always disconnected ... always ... except for those times when we were in mortal danger ... and the rest of the time we are divided .... This is always, again, used by enemies. As now the situation with Ukraine ... slogans are now popular ... bring down to your Europe ... and leave New Russia! Wait .... what about Kiev? Only Novorossia-this is exactly what imperialism is (according to the West) .... but all of Ukraine is the Russian world. Therefore, we must fight for the whole of Ukraine .... otherwise the West is already beginning to take it into its own hands ... with the help of all the same nationalists. So everything is gradually getting chopped off from our world ... the land can be returned ... but people can’t be returned.
  39. 0
    4 November 2014 15: 20
    Stalin, of course, is a great man and his role in the history of our state is great, but if great people make mistakes, they are very scary in their consequences. Even Durnovo in 1914 in my opinion. I wrote a note to the tsar about the dangers of the accession of Galicia to Russia, it is a pity that they did not listen to him. Stalin joined, although at that time some of the party leaders were opposed to this, they proposed to make either autonomy or a separate republic. The Rusyns in Carpathian Rus were asked to give them at least autonomy, but they asked for the status of a union republic, Stalin did not, but in vain. The story of the creation of the Kazakh SSR and the inclusion of the Cossack lands of the Urals, Siberia and Semirechye in its composition, I think it will come to us sideways, nationalists will bring this matter to blood. But he didn’t leave the receiver, and now we have what we have.
    1. kompotnenado
      +3
      4 November 2014 15: 33
      The successor was also very decent. His name was Lavrenty Palych Beria.
    2. jjj
      +1
      5 November 2014 01: 07
      Quote: captain
      Even Durnovo in 1914 in my opinion. wrote to the tsar a note on the dangers of Galicia’s joining Russia, it’s a pity that they did not listen to him. Stalin joined

      After World War II, the Communists defeated Greece. Greece wanted to become a socialist republic. But Stalin gave it to Britain in exchange for Poland. You might think: why did we need treacherous Poland, when in Greece everyone was for us? But Greece is far away, and Poland is at hand. And Stalin went to such a bargain with the imperialists. Poland became Soviet. And even when the shipyards began to go on strike there and the turmoil began, it was still decent years before Poland joined NATO and began to deploy foreign military infrastructure. We were given a very important respite. Now the Poles are in one place below the waist. But at the turn of the century, strong NATO Poland, and even with the desire to bite off a bit of territory from Russia, would be very dangerous
  40. +3
    4 November 2014 15: 26
    years go by, but nothing changes and enemies remain enemies
  41. +10
    4 November 2014 15: 36
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/174/jkwu850.jpg
  42. +1
    4 November 2014 15: 37
    "... and what will Comrade Zhyukov say about this?"
    Joseph Vissarionovich did a lot for Russia, it’s a pity he didn’t finish, to the end Bendery.
  43. pinecone
    +2
    4 November 2014 15: 40
    The order of the commander of the 6th Army, General of the Armored Forces F. Paulus, on the need for cooperation between German soldiers and Ukrainian services to maintain order

    20 February 1942 city

    German translation

    Commander-in-Chief of the 6th Army

    Army Headquarters 20 / p (19] 42 g.

    On the issue: the speech of German soldiers against Ukrainian law enforcement services.

    To maintain the German military authorities in the area of ​​the army, Ukrainian services were established to maintain internal order - auxiliary police, railway police, local city guards. They provide significant assistance in resolving numerous tasks that would otherwise fall to the army.

    It is Ukrainians who fulfill their tasks with great pleasure and love. Their cooperation contributes to the hard work of establishing order in the country. The police powers of the Ukrainian law enforcement services apply only to the local population, they do not apply to German troops. However, this should not lead to the fact that the German soldier neglected this voluntary police service of the Ukrainians and did not evaluate it properly.

    Every soldier should clearly understand that the Ukrainian law enforcement service operates only on the instructions and orders of the German military authorities. Everyone in the law enforcement service can be recognized by the insignia of the Ukrainian police.
    There should not be such cases when German soldiers interfere with Ukrainian policemen in the performance of their functions.

    Our responsibility is in all cases to support this cooperation of Ukrainians. I hope that each soldier through his behavior will raise respect and trust in these Ukrainian forces.

    PAULUS - General of the Armored Forces



    Translated: translator 1 department 2 Ex. NKGB USSR State Security Lieutenant

    Proskurnikova

    Litter: to the matter of orders. Signature is illegible.

    TSA FSB of Russia. F. 100. On. 11. D. 13. L. 138-139. Script.
    1. +1
      4 November 2014 19: 50
      Here is an agitation for "cooperation" ...
  44. +1
    4 November 2014 15: 41
    it’s a pity that Stalin didn’t force scientists to create a vremini car — it would be possible, then, to simply prevent everything that happened since the collapse of the USSR.
  45. dyremar 66
    +1
    4 November 2014 15: 48
    Quote: ALEXX.
    Right was Joseph Vissarionovich at 100%

    Yes, here Koba is right for one hundred only Russian nationalists, mostly still Ulyanov blank destroyed
    1. VladVlad
      0
      14 November 2014 15: 00
      Quote: dyremar 66 rus
      Russian nationalists basically still Ulyanov blank exterminated

      Why are you attributing someone else's grandfather to Lenin? Enough to feed fakes already. By the way, without Lenin there would have been no Stalin, and there would have been no highest achievement of Russian civilization - the Soviet Union.
      Bifurcation in the brain is called schizophrenia.
  46. hard
    0
    4 November 2014 15: 51
    Quote: hard
    I wonder what the minus is? Have I misled you, or are you convinced of my wrong? Please explain. Commentary, please, for the objection - no minuses. But actually, we all have the right to have our own point of view and, in particular, we can be mistaken.

    You, probably, as an old-time employee decided to "teach" me, put me in my place. Not good. I just want to know where I am wrong, how I offended you. You minus just for a question, without arguments, what is my fault in front of you? I’m not asking you to "open your face", but I would like to hear explanations, otherwise you, my friend, will be a boor. Write, at least in a personal, I will not minus, I give my word.
  47. Chukotka
    +3
    4 November 2014 16: 09
    Information for consideration:

    In the "old Soviet" times:
    1. The Supreme Soviet of the USSR consisted of the Council of the Union and ... Council of Nationalities.
    2. The Ministry of Nationality was present in the Soviet Government.
    3. There was an active "dilution" of the natsOkrain by Russian specialists with the simultaneous "resettlement" of "Natsik type" on "construction sites of the People's Hazyayistva" (in no case, do not confuse with the Gulag "camp informer"
  48. +1
    4 November 2014 16: 20
    When in Kiev they shout "He who does not jump is the one", in Russia, clapping their hands, they answer "Only gay and pancake can jump."
  49. +2
    4 November 2014 16: 20
    oh how
    and the comments there were:

    Stalin, of course, is right. And not only in his own way.
    They are called upon to perform the SEPARATION function exactly in the "DIVIDE, PREVENT CONVERSE" technological process.
    If ... not one BUT ...


    "It is no coincidence that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people - the leaders of the Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, horsemen, Banderas have already received a task from German intelligence to incite hatred of Russians among Ukrainians, who are the same Russians, and seek the separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union." (from)

    This is yes.


    So FARION entered the Communist Party ... People know.
  50. Tribuns
    +6
    4 November 2014 16: 24
    As I understand it, my message about Stalin's opinion about the Russian people is "minus" by a Chubasovite - a supporter of Anatoly Chubais, who robbed millions of ordinary Russians by "grabbing" the national property and created a caste of Russian billionaire oligarchs, one of whom, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, made an unsuccessful attempt removal of Vladimir Putin from power. Chubais pathologically hates Russians ... In the "years of the big hapk" - the period of "grabbing", Anatoly Chubais said in an interview with the London Financial Times: “I have been rereading Dostoevsky for the last three months. And I have an almost physical hatred for this person. He is undoubtedly a genius, but his idea of ​​the Russians as a chosen, holy people, his cult of suffering and the false choice he offers make me want to tear him to pieces. " What Chubais thinks about Stalin who glorified the Russian people is clear to everyone ...
  51. +1
    4 November 2014 16: 28
    Yes, it is worth turning to the legacy of our great rulers more often.
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    1. 0
      4 November 2014 16: 50
      Time will tell where... Siberia is big
    2. 0
      4 November 2014 20: 03
      nje putaj bogij dar s jai4nizej
  53. -1
    4 November 2014 16: 49
    Golden words, there is nothing to add ... And who will say that Stalin was not a prophet? And the dill is glad to lick Niger's boots and the old women Nuland ... think this is for happiness
  54. +1
    4 November 2014 16: 53
    The Great One is right even in our time!
  55. +1
    4 November 2014 17: 03
    Yes. It's finished.

    Joseph Vissarionovich became an authority on the national issue.

    In my opinion, in the Romanov Empire this issue (with the exception of the Jewish issue) was resolved much better. The core nation and small (unconscripted!) peoples.
  56. Ivan 63
    -1
    4 November 2014 18: 21
    But for me, any leader, starting from middle management, must know Stalin’s theory and practice “by heart,” not to mention higher-ranking figures, and not only know but also the leadership in practice, and the test for them should be elections. And of course, of great, but not overriding importance, are the State Security agencies, and as it seems, under the control of the People and Elections.
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  58. -1
    4 November 2014 19: 33
    Not surprised at all. His insight in assessing political trends was on the verge of a predictor. He was the smartest man. Only he was smeared with so much crap that his real image can no longer be seen, which is a pity. Read the archives, very instructive.
  59. +1
    4 November 2014 19: 46
    Lessons are lessons, we need to learn them well, but we also need to deal with the modern infection!!!
  60. -1
    4 November 2014 20: 02
    “This year we had to face difficult challenges, and Russia proved that it is capable of defending its national interests and, as has happened more than once, our people responded to the trials of history with consolidation, moral and spiritual uplift. The desire for justice and truth has always been in the honor of Russia, and no threats will force us to abandon our values ​​and ideals,” I.V. Stalin has nothing to add and looked far away HUMANITY
  61. 0
    4 November 2014 20: 08
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Nothing to add .. Everything is there, alas.! We forget all this .. Rather, they help us to forget (to destroy us with our own hands) ..

    These are the reasons for most purges and repressions! There were many objective reasons for this! BUT - there were many “well-wishers” who took advantage of this and imprisoned and shot many innocent people! Although statistics indicate the opposite - under Stalin there were more acquittals by the court than in modern times!
    So here they are now distorting the history of the country to please the liberals!
  62. +1
    4 November 2014 20: 27
    The greatest enemy of the Anglo-American Caudley was Stalin. All the forces of the information war were brought down to denigrate, smear his honest name, and burn out from the memory of his descendants everything that he did for Russia.
    What he is charged with is 98% the vile and vile fabrications of this stinking Anglo-American riffraff.
    He alone was able to fool this Zionist-banking gang around his finger, did not allow the country to be completely plundered, and raised it from the ashes.
    If it weren’t for him, in our time, with all his vile and vile remnants, our country would not exist long ago. They didn’t have time to plunder and destroy everything to the ground. Once again, the Mother of God gave a leader to the country, who, in small steps, pulled the country first from the very edge of the abyss, and then strengthened it so much that the Western people again sensed danger in the person of a new leader capable of resisting them and again fell into universal hysteria.
    The more people are hysterical, the more correct the policy our president pursues.
    We need to focus on this. They howl and scream, which means we’re doing everything right...
  63. 0
    4 November 2014 20: 28
    Simple and brilliant. Comrade Stalin was no angel, but he knew how to look after the interests of the country, and he forced others to do so. It’s a pity he had few like-minded devotees.
  64. 0
    4 November 2014 20: 43
    Apparently Stalin foresaw the danger of the collapse of the USSR in the future. Therefore, there was a decision to build secondary plants for uranium enrichment and plutonium separation only on the territory of the RSFSR! Yes, uranium was mined in Central Asia and Ukraine. But for atomic weapons it is not applicable without enrichment. And after all, 15 years after the war and complete destruction, the USSR turned into a space power, having atomic weapons! It really was a feat. What did Russia manage to do after the collapse of the USSR in 23 years? Never mind. Everything they use is from the times of the USSR. And planes, and missiles, and nuclear weapons... Nothing new was created.
  65. 0
    4 November 2014 20: 59
    Greetings to all .
    Here is a wonderful video from a living contemporary from Stalin’s inner circle. I highly recommend everyone to watch it, there are almost no such grandfathers left anymore.
  66. 0
    4 November 2014 21: 21
    Before using any concept (in our case, nationalism), it would be nice to give it a precise definition. In our time, the glory that Stalin bestowed on the Russian people can also be regarded as nationalism and xenophobia.
    1. -2
      5 November 2014 19: 48
      read I. Stalin, and do not feed on rumors. He really valued the Russian people highly, because he understood that this was the stronghold of the country. N u, etc. but there was no praise!
  67. Litvin from Grodno
    0
    4 November 2014 21: 53
    Quote: herruvim
    Every nationalist Bandera must know and remember that retaliation will be imperative.

    Here from this pistol they overwhelmed their ideological leader Styopka Bandera

    “Yeah, “grandfather” (in the original version - Lenin) died, but the business lives on - it would be better if it were the other way around!”
  68. Litvin from Grodno
    +1
    4 November 2014 21: 57
    Quote: TribunS
    As I understand it, my message about Stalin's opinion about the Russian people is "minus" by a Chubasovite - a supporter of Anatoly Chubais, who robbed millions of ordinary Russians by "grabbing" the national property and created a caste of Russian billionaire oligarchs, one of whom, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, made an unsuccessful attempt removal of Vladimir Putin from power. Chubais pathologically hates Russians ... In the "years of the big hapk" - the period of "grabbing", Anatoly Chubais said in an interview with the London Financial Times: “I have been rereading Dostoevsky for the last three months. And I have an almost physical hatred for this person. He is undoubtedly a genius, but his idea of ​​the Russians as a chosen, holy people, his cult of suffering and the false choice he offers make me want to tear him to pieces. " What Chubais thinks about Stalin who glorified the Russian people is clear to everyone ...

    Chubais, aka Red Shuler, is one of the Zhydovian pack that robbed Russia, and Khodorokvsky also joined the “Euro” human rights activists, it was in vain that he was released from prison, it was necessary ....
  69. Litvin from Grodno
    -3
    4 November 2014 22: 17
    Quote: Bator79
    Stalin is the greatest ruler in the history of Russia. The creator of the most powerful state in the history of Russia.

    The greatest ruler in the history of your Russia is Peter the Great, who pulled an uneducated boyar out of obscurity with a greasy beard into Europe and made Great Russia out of Muscovy.
    And Stalin is the “greatest” of the rulers of the USSR, a state that lived only 70 years. What he did - the industrial revolution in a peasant country - was also done by the Americans in the first third of the 20th century - only without the bloodshed and destruction of tens of millions of their fellow citizens. And the Germans too - after the total destruction of the economy as a result of the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler raised it to incredible heights in 6 years, only BEFORE World War 2 he acted on the principle: “Beat strangers (Jews, gypsies and other local undermensch) so that they are afraid of their own “, and Stalin acted on the opposite principle: “Beat your own so that strangers will be afraid,” but beat the workers - first of all the PEASANTS, then the creative intelligentsia, then the workers, and the criminal and bohemian-speculative-parasitic trash “went in stages” already according to the residual principle . Stalin, pursuing an internal anti-people policy, distorted the very principles of social justice. If it weren’t for him, such a war would not have happened with tragic consequences.
    And the “greatness” of Stalin can be clearly demonstrated by the skulls with the tops open, lying on the territory that used to be the Butyrchag death camp - where the Soviet Joseph Mengele and Adolf Eichmann “worked on the “human material” that came from the country, “ ...where a person breathes so freely...".
    Therefore, there is no need for fables about the greatness of Stalin - he is a villain, and, moreover, the greatest in the history of the Eastern Slavs.
    1. -1
      5 November 2014 19: 53
      , you don’t know history at all! In your civilized Europe, the dukes boasted about those who had the largest louse in their heads, they did not know baths, etc. And in Novgorod Rus' there was an overwhelmingly literate population, as evidenced by birch bark letters. Don’t feed on Euro lies, think and read the sources and not WIKIPEDIA!!!
  70. +2
    4 November 2014 22: 24
    In February 1917, out of 11 front commanders, only one did not sign the demand for the Tsar’s abdication (this was during the war). Not to mention all the liberal riffraff. If the king had not been betrayed by everyone around him? Stalin made conclusions before the war in 1937. Will Putin do it?
  71. Bor
    +1
    4 November 2014 22: 48
    In Hell, Adolf laughs with Mussolini,
    Joseph Stalin turned gray in his grave,
    Having learned that the whole year in Ukraine
    Bandera is raging lawlessness!
  72. 0
    4 November 2014 23: 22
    Quote: wanderer987
    And for me the "ice ax" of Trotsky is better.

    Russian ax... and not at all pampering...
  73. +4
    4 November 2014 23: 34
    And again Comrade Stalin is right! hi
  74. -3
    5 November 2014 00: 35
    I don’t know if Stalin’s works are in libraries now. If not, we urgently need to restore these books and place them in libraries, and even put them on sale. Let OUR people read these works, there is a lot of useful stuff in there for people.
    1. +1
      6 November 2014 22: 55
      That minus miners the name of STALIN and his works are like a red rag to a bull for you??? Read and study the works of STALIN, maybe you will turn into people.
  75. +1
    5 November 2014 04: 27
    he didn’t “finish” the banderlogs after the war
  76. 0
    5 November 2014 05: 11
    Great man, golden words. All in their own names. Without courtly equivocations. Otherwise it’s all “partners, partners...”
  77. 0
    5 November 2014 05: 50
    Smartest man! So many years have passed, but the words sound like they are from today’s news.
  78. 0
    5 November 2014 06: 51
    Peter 1 tried to become a GOVERNOR, he overstrained himself, Stalin tried to be a GOVERNOR, he died or was killed, Alexanders 1 and 3 thought like GOVERNORS. V.V. Putin is doing everything the way of the GOVERNOR, but he is doing it with attempts.
    The question is whether we ALL residents of the RUSSIAN state want to be a colony of Western capitalists or do we still want to build a society of JUSTICE and SOLIDARITY! The Society of SOLIDARITY AND JUSTICE will close all attempts at national self-determination; they will simply be unnecessary.
    Or we will continue to look to the west like monkeys, how good it is there and bad in (Rashka).
    We need a GOVERNOR who will be supported 100% by the people of the RUSSIAN POWER.
    When we say GOVERNOR, we do not mean Monarchy, Socialism, Communism, etc. And we mean a SOCIETY OF JUSTICE AND SOLIDARITY.
    You can add plus or minus, it doesn’t matter!!!
    Until we ourselves decide what we RUSSIANS want, all other nations will constantly poke at us with their national question!
    And everything else is just distilling empty into empty.
    1. +1
      5 November 2014 09: 09
      Whether the sovereign, the emperor, or the senate, will be at the head of the state - it doesn’t matter.
      It is important that there is a workable set of laws and people who want to live by these laws and fulfill them.
      There is neither 1st nor 2nd yet. Alas.
      Russia often called itself the 3rd Rome, but we are far from the Roman Empire, except perhaps only in terms of the size of the territory.
      It can be admitted that we are a completely special country, not Europe or Asia and certainly not America, but all modern societies must ultimately develop, and not degrade, and this is primarily facilitated by legislation and those who create it and rule the state.
      At this stage, one can observe a strong leader leading the country out of the crisis into which a couple of previous “helmswomen” threw us.
      Our business is the people’s, to remember the good traditions of our ancestors and, without looking back at any “West,” to stomp our way, but not forgetting to take with us on the road everything necessary and useful that the “West” has already created.
  79. 0
    5 November 2014 08: 13
    My full approval.
  80. +1
    5 November 2014 08: 41
    old retelling of the joke:
    In connection with the events in Ukraine, they decided to resurrect Stalin in Russia.
    Resurrected. They talked about Ukrainian affairs.
    Stalin thought for a minute and said:
    - All Russians and those who correctly understand the political situation should be taken to Russia within 24 hours.
    24 hours have passed.
    - Well, everyone who was mentioned was taken out of Ukraine?
    - Everyone, Joseph Vissarionovich, everyone.
    - Well, now a BOMB there...
  81. 0
    5 November 2014 09: 03


    That's how it was.
  82. -2
    5 November 2014 09: 52
    Stalin is always right!!!
  83. PWG
    -1
    5 November 2014 10: 14
    The Russian people need a second Stalin. Perhaps Putin can play this role if he gets rid of his entourage from the Ivanov-Surkov shooting gallery. And he will return the socialist system, treacherously stolen from us by Yeltsin!
  84. PWG
    -1
    5 November 2014 10: 15
    The Russian people need a second Stalin. Perhaps Putin can play this role if he gets rid of his entourage from the Ivanov-Surkov shooting gallery. And he will return the socialist system, treacherously stolen from us by Yeltsin!
  85. PWG
    -2
    5 November 2014 10: 16
    The Russian people need a second Stalin. Perhaps Putin can play this role if he gets rid of his entourage from the Ivanov-Surkov shooting gallery. And he will return the socialist system, treacherously stolen from us by Yeltsin!
  86. Crang
    0
    5 November 2014 10: 59
    With us, this number, while we are alive, will not work. So in vain Hitler's fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which allegedly collapses during the first serious ordeal, reckon on the fragility of the friendship of the peoples inhabiting our country today, hoping to embroil them with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities who inhabit our country will defend it, sparing no life as their beloved homeland.

    Great Pu will save us right? He is so brilliant at “replaying” Obama. Pathetic Obama has nowhere to go. But the TRUTH is still much worse. Firstly, the Soviet Union fell on the damned day of December 26, 1991. NATO immediately began to pass along the border of Poland and what was then Ukraine (in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia, the border of the Western world was BEHIND Poland). Now, 23 years after the collapse of the USSR, despite, and largely thanks to the “genius” of our supreme leader, the border with NATO already passes on the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. That is, not on their border with the rest of Ukraine, but right across their territory. That is, Slavyansk, Mariupol, etc. - already under the NATO boot. They are getting closer and closer. But if we had not been engaged in politicking, but had immediately repulsed the enemies (or at least had NOT prevented the militias from driving the Ukrainian fascists out of their territory with a filthy broom), then despite the cries of the United States, there would be no NATO troops on the territory of our last buffer now . Everyone says that Great Pu is an excellent “chess player” and sees the situation two steps ahead. He can see two steps ahead, but unfortunately he can’t see three steps ahead. And therefore, in strategic terms, we are still losing.
    1. +2
      5 November 2014 20: 09
      It is necessary to amend the existing Constitution in terms of the functions of the Central Bank, which so far works for the Anglo-Saxon financial oligarchy and thereby helps it manage almost the entire world!!! And Russia is being sold to them with all its giblets, in the spring of 2015 the fifth column will take revenge, and the snickering Moscow businessmen will furiously help our enemies to overthrow Putin and hand us over - this is proven by all their obvious liberal-pederoral actions to destabilize the country!!!
  87. 0
    5 November 2014 12: 16
    “the remaining part will turn into dumb and pathetic slaves of the conquerors” - just throw in dollars (occupation with the help of bankers).
  88. ajkapojka
    -1
    5 November 2014 13: 00
    Why is there no monument to Stalin in Moscow yet?! Every city should have one!
  89. 0
    5 November 2014 13: 14
    No, there have not been and are unlikely to be in the future, leaders equal to Stalin.
  90. 0
    5 November 2014 13: 20
    I have a plan:
    - until December 31.12.15, XNUMX organize a coup in Kyiv and simultaneously launch an offensive from the DPR and LPR.
    - by 31.07.15/XNUMX/XNUMX, complete the Donetsk and Lugansk offensive in Uzhgorod.
    - until 01.01.16/XNUMX/XNUMX - to these forces to announce the liquidation of Ukraine and the creation of a new state of Novorossiya with the approval of a new Constitution, which enshrined the principle of internationalism; nationalism would be prohibited, as would the word Ukrainian. It is also necessary to ban the slang dialect called “Ukrainian language”. All Bendera residents should be sent to the development of Siberia and the Far East of the Russian Federation. Their natural economy will be very useful there.
  91. -1
    5 November 2014 13: 56
    Yes, if the mustachioed man knew what would happen to the empire, then there would be no “fraternal republics” at all, but there would be only the RSFSR!
  92. yiono47
    0
    5 November 2014 14: 15
    Yes, he said a lot of things and did the right thing, but in Rus' it’s customary to slander the past and then cry over this past
  93. +1
    5 November 2014 15: 28
    Well, those words are wonderful and very correct. But But only a spoon is on its way to dinner! First they gave birth to this “cholera”, and then they had to deal with the consequences of this so-called Ukrainization, still paying for this adventure with thousands of lives. With their own hands, Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev created this state within a state, pursuing a policy of Ukrainization and annexing territory after territory. Why the hell was all this done? For what? It’s surprising that in this situation, the same Khrushchev did not move the capital of the USSR to Kiev at one time. And what, first Crimea, then Taman followed by Kuban and so on And the capital is automatically transferred to ...
  94. -1
    5 November 2014 15: 35
    Quote: PTS-m
    Yes, if the mustachioed man knew what would happen to the empire, then there would be no “fraternal republics” at all, but there would be only the RSFSR!

    I think Soviet Russia would be “for the eyes”! and most importantly, no national republics!
  95. 0
    5 November 2014 16: 16
    My father-in-law is a purebred German from the Volga region. When the Second World War began (my father-in-law was a child), the whole family was exiled to Siberia. I think everyone understands what it was like for the Germans in the USSR during the war; there is no point in describing all the hardships and deprivations. So the father-in-law, after suffering through 23 years of new power, says that he dreams of Stalin resurrecting for at least a week...
  96. +1
    5 November 2014 16: 19
    We are the law, we are all Russian people, until we become a united society, all laws are simply useless.
  97. 0
    5 November 2014 16: 19
    We are the law, we are all Russian people, until we become a united society, all laws are simply useless.
  98. partizan1966
    +1
    5 November 2014 17: 56
    No need to resurrect him! The idea is correct, but He himself has not implemented it! but he completely fulfilled the ideas of resettlement and eradication of peoples and classes! This is just 3 paragraphs from (how many?) volumes.
  99. Vovan - prison
    -1
    5 November 2014 18: 23
    Neither add nor subtract! Brief and succinct! good good good
  100. Zlata
    0
    5 November 2014 21: 23
    TO ALL THOSE WHO HURT THEIR THROATS, screaming about the greatness, wisdom and justice of Stalin:

    My great-grandfather’s family lived in the Volgograd region. Peasants, hard work from morning to night, ten children. So, two grown-up children from the family were shot, one of them said something like “but in Poland they live better now!” - someone reported, and the man was shot. The second, a 21-year-old student, smart, studied well, wrote poetry - was shot, for what - unknown. His great-grandmother waited for him until his death, not knowing that he had been shot. The great-grandmother and great-grandfather themselves were sent to Solovki - for no reason, their eldest son, who, of all others, was in the Red Army, was able to miraculously rescue them. Their other son’s wife was imprisoned because she dared to sell HER things at the market in order to buy food for her tuberculosis-stricken husband - like, a speculator.

    My husband's grandfather went to prison in Mordovia - for saying "there were no Soviets - I didn't see my w * na light", built the Belomorkanal, then in a penal battalion, miraculously survived, one of all his comrades.

    My grandmother studied well at school, the teacher was wonderful, but he was shot (he was a white officer). Grandmother’s father, a Cossack who served the Tsar, was forced to hide in Uzbekistan - otherwise he too would have been imprisoned and shot. Grandfather worked as a veterinarian during the war - on 25-26 collective farms alone, on the road all the time, was never at home, so they called him, with a lamp in his eyes - “admit that you are an enemy of the people!” And what they paid him for his work was ridiculous pennies. Not a single day off was given! But it was impossible to refuse work - they would shoot you. They lived on their own farm and fed themselves from this.

    And my great-grandfather’s cousin’s son was imprisoned and shot. He was an artist, fell in love with a beautiful Turkish woman who was illiterate. Children appeared. A Turkish woman stole some children's shoes at school. She was caught stealing, and she asked her husband to take the blame on himself so as not to leave the children without a mother. He admitted to the theft, naturally, he was imprisoned for 7 years - for children's shoes. And they shot me.

    All this happened under Stalin - the destruction of the peasantry, Cossacks, clergy, famine, repression, pitting people against each other - “divide and conquer!” Millions of victims and a country drenched in blood. This is what the power of your IDOL Dzhugashvili was based on. Would you like to live THIS way? Do you want your children to live like this? I – NO, God forbid.
    1. VladVlad
      -1
      14 November 2014 15: 27
      Zlate
      I already read this somewhere, almost word for word. Only the nickname was different.
      Beautifully, tearfully and sentimentally conceived.
      Let “your great-grandfather’s cousin” write it herself. But only the truth.

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