Three in a boat, not counting Poroshenko

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Yesterday, double talks were held in Minsk with the participation of V. Putin and P. Poroshenko: first, a so-called trilateral meeting took place (Ukraine - European Union - Eurasian trio represented by Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan), and then bilateral - represented by Russia and Ukraine. The key issues of the Minsk talks should be considered the discussion of the possibility of a truce and, of course, the gas issue. The latter does not give rest not only to Ukraine and Russia, but also to the European Union. No wonder the meeting was seconded to Baroness Ashton.

Three in a boat, not counting Poroshenko


Negotiations in Minsk began in a tripartite format. The President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, the Belarusian President, Alexander Lukashenko, and Vladimir Putin, collectively represented the side number XXUMX. From side number two, EU representative for security and foreign policy Catherine Ashton, Vice-President of the European Commission and Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger and Commissioner for Trade Carl de Gucht came to Minsk. Participant of the meeting number three was the Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko.

Then a bilateral meeting took place: Vladimir Putin talked with Petro Poroshenko for almost two hours.

First, we highlight the main results of the tripartite meeting.

Firstly, it is symptomatic that the "official" Kiev agreed to negotiations with the participation of intermediaries, and not some, but "Eurasian", in the spirit of "euroKiev" not close. In fact, the Customs Union in Minsk met with the European Union.

Secondly, after the talks, it became clear that the “three men in a boat” - Russia (Putin), Kazakhstan (Nazarbayev) and Belarus (Lukashenko) - were persuading Ukraine (Poroshenko) in a stalemate situation to stop the war.

“I would like to meet on a more joyful occasion than today,” the Belarusian president quotes "TVNZ". - But, unfortunately, we have to discuss issues that would seem to have remained forever in the last century. In Ukraine, the military conflict does not stop, innocent people are killed, the infrastructure of a rich region is destroyed, hundreds of thousands of refugees are forced to leave their homes. This is not a frame stories, this is reality! It's terrible that the word "war" has returned to our everyday life! "

Nursultan Nazarbayev added that the situation “has reached a critical boiling point,” and the increase in tension in Ukraine “may be dangerous for the whole world.”

Vladimir Putin, as always, was pragmatic, and explained to Ukraine what it threatens to turn back to Russia. According to him, Ukraine will lose the market of the Customs Union, and in order to go to EU standards, Kiev will have to spend 165 billion euros over 10 years. In the meantime, Russia will abolish preferences for imports from Ukraine to Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, and as a result, Ukraine will suffer huge economic losses.

“Such a format as the Customs Union - Ukraine, with the participation of representatives of the Eurasian Economic Commission and the EU, provides a good opportunity to discuss issues related to the consequences of the Association Agreement with the EU in Ukraine in the context of its cooperation with the States of the Customs Union,” Putin quoted the channel "RT".

Thirdly, probably feeling that the “independent” economy is heading for total collapse and that the east is against Kiev, Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in a conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass. Write about it "Versions" with reference to the agency "Interfax-Ukraine".

The international conference will be held in the fall. From the “invitation” itself it is clear that: 1) Kiev has neither the means nor the ability to quickly restore the Donbass; 2) Let the Russians and the European Union pay for the fact that the Donbass was destroyed by the Ukrainian army - such is the obvious message of the candy king.

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Such a representative composition from Europe (Ashton, Oettinger, de Gucht), presumably, was intended to make Mr. Poroshenko understand that he already has very little to do in Ukraine, and that Europe wants to receive Russian gas without fail. Recall that in recent days, Ettinger no longer speaks of Iranian gas to replace Russian gas and sharply criticizes Kiev’s ideas about transferring Gazprom’s gas receiving points. He feels that the heating season is about to begin and that the EU will have a hard time for Eastern European countries. Suffering, for example, the same Bulgaria, trying to poke a stick in the wheels of "South Stream". In general, Ettinger seemed to understand that he was too strong in friendship with Kiev, the EU was playing against its own interests. Long understood, of course, but better late than never.

Now about the results of the bilateral meeting - Putin and Poroshenko. These negotiations were already past midnight. Their main topics were the peaceful settlement of the situation in Ukraine and economic issues, including energy.

As noted by Interfax, the Ukrainian president called the Minsk talks difficult and said that "the main goal with which we arrived in Minsk is peace."

In order to resolve the situation in the eastern regions of Ukraine, Poroshenko said in this connection, Kiev and Moscow would "immediately" begin consultations between the border agencies and the general headquarters of both countries.

“A road map will be developed on the basis of the peace plan, perhaps through a tripartite contact group we will hold consultations so as to reach the cease-fire regime as soon as possible, which will be provided by representatives of the OSCE monitoring mission,” Poroshenko said.

The Russian president, without departing from his realistic line here, gave clarifications. He said that at the bilateral meeting they discussed mechanisms for providing assistance to residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, and stated that “there are already certain agreements”.

Separately, Vladimir Putin noted that Moscow cannot discuss ceasefire conditions with Kiev: “We, Russia, cannot talk about ceasefire conditions, about possible agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. This is the business of Ukraine itself. ” The President added: “We can only contribute to creating an atmosphere of trust in the course of this possible and, in my opinion, highly necessary negotiation process.”

The second important "agenda of the night" at the talks were economic issues.

According to Petro Poroshenko, the parties agreed to hold consultations at the expert level on the economic consequences of the creation of a free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union. According to the Ukrainian president, consultations on energy issues with the participation of European Commissioner Ettinger and the Ministers of Fuel and Energy of Russia and Ukraine will be held on September 6.

Vladimir Putin reaffirmed reaching agreement on the resumption of dialogue on gas energy issues.

Channel "RT"referring to RIA "News", Quotes the head of the Russian state that the energy issue is very difficult, and Russia, Ukraine and Europe are interested in its resolution.

“We have a lot of specific issues, and both Russia and Ukraine and our European partners are interested in solving these issues,” the Russian president said after bilateral talks. The president also stressed that Russia fully fulfills the conditions of gas contracts with Ukraine, but the actions of the Ukrainian Naftogaz create risks for the transit of Russian fuel to Europe.

RT clarifies that Vladimir Putin was referring to the situation when Gazprom paid an advance for the transit of gas to Europe, and Naftogaz returned the prepayment. As a result, gas deliveries from Russia to Europe “stuck”. And this question, Putin believes, requires "a painstaking researcher in the person of Russian partners, both European and Ukrainian."

The gas theme is indeed topical for Europe.

European Commissioner for Energy Ettinger, notes the same “RT”, said that Europe’s goal is “to avoid any problems in the coming months related to the security of gas supplies to all 28 EU countries, plus the states of the Western Balkans, as well as Ukraine and Moldova”. The Commissioner hopes for an "interim solution and a temporary price."

After the meeting with Putin, reports "Sight", the Ukrainian president traveled to the Ukrainian embassy in Minsk to meet with Baroness Ashton. Vladimir Putin met with Lukashenko and Nazarbayev at night and discussed with them the results of his conversation with Poroshenko.

The head of the Russian state praised the negotiations in Minsk as positive. He himself told this to journalists following the results of his working visit to Belarus. Putin's answers are given on presidential site.

To the question about the outcome of the “five-sided meeting” V. Putin said:

“In general, I assess them positively. I think that this meeting in this format was useful. I really don’t know how it will end. But in any case, we had the opportunity to once again articulate our concerns. And we agreed that we are intensifying the work of a tripartite working group consisting of Russia, Ukraine and representatives of the European Union and will try to formulate, if we can, on 12 September, if we can, proposals concerning those very concerns of Russia and the Customs Union that I mentioned. ”


As for the meeting with Poroshenko, Putin noted that an agreement was reached on the peace process, that "the contact group should resume its work as soon as possible, maybe here in Minsk." According to Putin, Russia and Ukraine agreed that "we need to resume our dialogue on energy issues, including on gas issues," and agreed that "we will resume these consultations."

Poroshenko, who ran at night to Ashton, gave a rather controversial assessment.

First, he called the negotiations "difficult and difficult." He writes about it ITAR-TASS with reference to Reuters.

Secondly, he said that a plan for a cease-fire in the south-east of Ukraine will be prepared as soon as possible.

But, let's ask ourselves, isn't this a positive outcome? And in general, what kind of "easy" negotiations a person might want if he unleashed a massacre in his country?

Guilt for civil war - entirely on Poroshenko. He could have remained in the history of the country as an ordinary oligarch, but now his hands are stained with blood. From the blood he did not wash off. And, presumably, he finally understood this, and today he is ready to pray to anyone: Ashton, Ettinger, Lukashenko, Nazarbayev, and even Putin, if only everything is somehow settled. Poroshenko himself, as it turned out, is unable to settle anything.

The only thing that remains for this “popularly elected” president is to rely on the fact that Western puppeteers, who recently learned through the UN how many people died and were injured in eastern Ukraine, and who have a heating season in their nose, will give Kiev some more money and at the same time the ability to save a “democratic” political face.

Once, at the very end of 90, analysts and economists wrote - even in textbooks on the history of economics - that Russia got hooked on a raw needle, and its destiny - to become a raw materials appendage of the West. All this is remembered, I guess. This “thesis” has become a cliché. And in the US and Europe they said that Russia was just a miserable resource-based country, totally dependent on gas and oil supplies.

After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...

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  1. +3
    27 August 2014 21: 08
    before Yanukovych and after
  2. BETEP
    +7
    27 August 2014 21: 17
    May God give strength and health to our DEAR President V.V. Putin. Stay dear!
  3. +2
    27 August 2014 22: 05
    Ossetian. SU Today, 10:58 ↑
    It used to be that Russia was a raw materials appendage of the West ... But in reality it turned out that Europe is the collective farm of Russia!
    CLASS !!!
  4. The comment was deleted.
  5. 0
    28 August 2014 01: 24
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/150/vakl301.jpg

    One of the possible results of the negotiations in Minsk.
    Let it be so!!! good drinks
  6. 0
    28 August 2014 01: 58
    What about the downed Boeing, what a circus!
  7. 0
    28 August 2014 02: 51
    Quote: Ossetian.
    Russia, which is, as yet, a raw material power.


    There is no need for fairy tales about a commodity country, before expanding on the topic and commenting, please look and see the statistics on Russian exports and imports (i.e., what Russia makes money from)
    In addition to oil and gas, Russia earns:
    1. Nuclear power.
    2. Financial Services
    3. Freight transport
    4. Export of software development services
    5. Construction abroad
    6. Space launches
    7. Aviation design and consulting
    8. Business intelligence and consulting
    9. Telecommunication services
    10. Tourist and business trips
    11. Metallurgy
    12. Chemical industry
    13. Agriculture and food
    14. Armaments
    15. Heavy engineering
    16. Shipbuilding
    17. Aviation
    18. Optics.
    19. Instruments, scientific equipment
    20. Boxed software
    21. Machine tools, tools
    22. Consumer goods
    23. Electrical Engineering
    24. Electronics
    25. Energetics
    SO THAT ENOUGH THINKS 90-YEARS.
    RUSSIA GREAT POWER !!!
    Dear Ossetian! You wouldn’t read statistics, but would personally look at modern Russian industry! This is where the nightmare is!
  8. 0
    28 August 2014 07: 00
    Drug dealer!!! To the point!!!
  9. 0
    28 August 2014 10: 53
    Quote: sullen fin
    and this is a thought...we need to write about it....it’s really a terrible thing...


    Gleb Bobrov, a Lugansk resident, already wrote about this in “The Age of Stillbirths” back in 2008; it’s just a pity that in Ukraine they don’t read and analyze what’s written.

    Abstract:

    Friends! Before you is the fruit of three years of reflection, a year and a half
    painstaking work and one extensive heart attack. Novel about the real present and
    possible future ...
    Immediately I want to appeal to fans to throw wet harem pants and
    torn shirts on his chest: Panov! By the authority given to me by the Lord -
    ability to create - I did my part of the overall work: modeled
    extreme scenario. This is your stilts, stepladder - so that you
    were able to look into the opening abyss of the future. Now your turn is
    make sure that the described future does not become a reality.
  10. 0
    28 August 2014 14: 48
    Ukraine is a strange country of the future.
    As analysts predicted, the negotiations in Minsk became a major diplomatic victory for Kiev. No wonder that the supreme commander modestly stated that at meetings with his participation the fate of the entire observable world is decided.

    Mars was pretty quickly resolved by everyone, but with Jupiter, certain disagreements arose over Putin’s stupid position. However, a breakthrough was achieved. Everyone at the mini-summit with the participation of a woman who refutes the man’s descent from a monkey and suggests horses was the only one to discuss the peace plan of the commander-in-chief in the southeast. “Where does he get such a wonderful, peaceful plan ?!”, the attendees admired. Even the Asian Nazarbayev, in whose possessions a lot of legendary things grow, was forced to recognize the superiority of Kiev in this matter. The only moment that nearly overshadowed the monstrous geopolitical success of Ukraine is the handshake between Putin and Peter Alekseyevich. There was a stormy discussion on Twitter, and everyone came to a consensus that Poroshenko should spit in the shiny Kremlin sky, then to sing the anthem of Ukraine in a well-placed voice. Unfortunately, hopes were not justified. But the commander-in-chief changed so greatly in the face at the time of physical contact with Putin that this reincarnation aroused the delight of all users of social networks. It was an unsurpassed masterpiece of acting. One cannot look without a shudder at the art of true reincarnation. Even Catherine Ashton was frightened and looked around for a suitable shelter. But the toilet was far away, so I had to restrain the urge by a monstrous effort of European will.

    All Ukrainian people, however, supported the outcome of the Minsk Summit, as it was necessary for the consolidation of the nation. No wonder that all of Kiev was painted in yellow-blakytny color. Logic catch? Not? And she is.
    http://aanalitik.com.ua/ukraina-ce-strannaya-strana-budushhego/
  11. wanderer
    0
    28 August 2014 16: 54
    Pig is not the right person to decide something with him, he was present, but not in the aisles.... so American-Bandera slime.
  12. 0
    28 August 2014 20: 14
    Quote: SOKOL777
    Then, not in Kiev, but in Galicia. And there must be an iron curtain ...
    Poland, Romania, etc. they themselves will be consumed.
    The genocide of zapadentsev is not in our rules. We are Russian!


    Preferably with all debts
  13. 0
    28 August 2014 20: 44
    Quote: rumiigo
    Dear Ossetian! You wouldn’t read statistics, but would personally look at modern Russian industry! This is where the nightmare is!


    It’s not true, look at the nuclear industry, we supply fuel for nuclear power plants to almost half the world.
  14. 0
    29 August 2014 00: 01
    Well, we met, we talked, and what next? Parashka understands perfectly well that he doesn’t have long to rule, and maybe even live, after everything he’s done. The EU members, comrades-in-arms of both the Junta and the Rada, will leave, although perhaps not all of them will have time, very soon. Geyropa and Fashington in Minsk carried out "reconnaissance in force". Perhaps they have finally realized that despite the difficulties of birth, TS is ALIVE! That further escalation of tension in the Outskirts will seriously spoil Geyropa herself, that it’s time to think about yourself, and not about the “masters behind the big puddle.” Winter is just around the corner, guys! Due to your sanctions (read whims), gas, as a product in demand, due to the prevailing force majeure circumstances, MAY RAISE in price, so the EU members are making it clear to the Outskirts that “your shirt is closer to the body.”
  15. 0
    29 August 2014 00: 16
    Eh, we'll have some more grief with Poroshenko! He should make chocolate soldiers.
  16. MartinSl
    0
    29 August 2014 04: 38
    http://mamanyam.ru/user/Thomastub/
  17. 0
    29 August 2014 10: 41
    Nothing will save this president of the DARK.
    He will poke his finger at Kolomoisky, whom nothing will save two more roses :) But the entire GENOCIDE WAS DEVELOPED BY Obama, and Poroshenko, if he had at least THREE SINDS, would have thought that Obama would give him FIRST!
    And for the Boeing, which he so ridiculously stupidly shot down, not according to the Pentagon scenario, and for the phosphorus bombs that he could not hide and for the people who drove at gunpoint, and then buried in every ditch of the occupied territory ... WILL BE A NEW Nuremberg! !! AND SOON !!!
  18. 0
    29 August 2014 10: 48
    Quote: Ossetian.
    It used to be that Russia was a raw materials appendage of the West ... But in reality it turned out that Europe is the collective farm of Russia!
    wink
    support good laughing
  19. Antonishe
    0
    29 August 2014 11: 23
    The king is handsome!
    He's also a puppeteer and a chess player!
    WE WILL WIN anyway!
  20. aviastar
    0
    29 August 2014 13: 58
    I’m Russian and live in Ukraine, but I’m proud that there is such a great power as RUSSIA, no matter how the hastily stitched Nazis insult it now
  21. aviastar
    0
    29 August 2014 14: 03
    VIVA RUSSIA!!!!!!
  22. Roman75
    0
    29 August 2014 14: 39
    “Poroshenko, who ran to Ashton at night, gave a rather contradictory assessment.

    First, he called the negotiations “complicated and difficult.”
    This is precisely what motivated him to refuse... ahem... partnership obligations. Like, Katherine, I'm not in shape today, sorry. My head hurts. In short, I didn’t.
  23. 0
    29 August 2014 15: 09
    wink crests want a freebie here too, they turned half the country into ruins, and now they want Russia to restore the South-East... we’re not against it, but then they won’t see these areas)))
  24. Makyr
    0
    29 August 2014 15: 55
    Russia is a GREAT POWER!
    If she frowns, then in Europe they will start washing trousers.
  25. Kostya pedestrian
    0
    29 August 2014 16: 19
    Did the Nazis march from Lvov to Mariupol without encountering resistance? And where were the border guards looking? Counterintelligence? Air defense?

    And where are they, Nazi Berlin? Where is the Ukrainian Brest Fortress? I hope you will chase them all the way to their lair, unless of course “on a chain”

    Yes, brothers Slavs. It’s better to learn from Oleg Robertovich from the comedy film “Eggs of Destiny” how to drive out the Nazis. If this seems absurd to you, well, Roman Madyanov’s last name also sounds absurd in English.

    Although it will be enough to watch the American cartoon "The Simpsons" season 14, episode 19 - to see the meaning in my post.

    Do not forget that the religion professed in Ukraine clearly says that in the beginning there was a word. This means that soon the word Nazi will be in all history books, and therefore all the atrocities that they committed in the world will be associated with the war in Slavyansk.

    I hope Homer himself understood who they wanted to screw over. As the professor from “The Last Crusade” said, the pen is mightier than the sword. Although, look at the tears of Pierrot from the children's fairy tale "Pinocchio".

    PS: I was surprised that the authors of The Simpsons know so much about the distant small town of Ivenets. And why did they associate the “black cat” with the Church of Alexei on the central square opposite the monument to Mr. Dzerzhinsky?


    Juan Gris "Pierrot":