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Three in a boat, not counting Poroshenko

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Yesterday, double talks were held in Minsk with the participation of V. Putin and P. Poroshenko: first, a so-called trilateral meeting took place (Ukraine - European Union - Eurasian trio represented by Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan), and then bilateral - represented by Russia and Ukraine. The key issues of the Minsk talks should be considered the discussion of the possibility of a truce and, of course, the gas issue. The latter does not give rest not only to Ukraine and Russia, but also to the European Union. No wonder the meeting was seconded to Baroness Ashton.

Three in a boat, not counting Poroshenko


Negotiations in Minsk began in a tripartite format. The President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, the Belarusian President, Alexander Lukashenko, and Vladimir Putin, collectively represented the side number XXUMX. From side number two, EU representative for security and foreign policy Catherine Ashton, Vice-President of the European Commission and Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger and Commissioner for Trade Carl de Gucht came to Minsk. Participant of the meeting number three was the Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko.

Then a bilateral meeting took place: Vladimir Putin talked with Petro Poroshenko for almost two hours.

First, we highlight the main results of the tripartite meeting.

Firstly, it is symptomatic that the "official" Kiev agreed to negotiations with the participation of intermediaries, and not some, but "Eurasian", in the spirit of "euroKiev" not close. In fact, the Customs Union in Minsk met with the European Union.

Secondly, after the talks, it became clear that the “three men in a boat” - Russia (Putin), Kazakhstan (Nazarbayev) and Belarus (Lukashenko) - were persuading Ukraine (Poroshenko) in a stalemate situation to stop the war.

“I would like to meet on a more joyful occasion than today,” the Belarusian president quotes "TVNZ". - But, unfortunately, we have to discuss issues that would seem to have remained forever in the last century. In Ukraine, the military conflict does not stop, innocent people are killed, the infrastructure of a rich region is destroyed, hundreds of thousands of refugees are forced to leave their homes. This is not a frame stories, this is reality! It's terrible that the word "war" has returned to our everyday life! "

Nursultan Nazarbayev added that the situation “has reached a critical boiling point,” and the increase in tension in Ukraine “may be dangerous for the whole world.”

Vladimir Putin, as always, was pragmatic, and explained to Ukraine what it threatens to turn back to Russia. According to him, Ukraine will lose the market of the Customs Union, and in order to go to EU standards, Kiev will have to spend 165 billion euros over 10 years. In the meantime, Russia will abolish preferences for imports from Ukraine to Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, and as a result, Ukraine will suffer huge economic losses.

“Such a format as the Customs Union - Ukraine, with the participation of representatives of the Eurasian Economic Commission and the EU, provides a good opportunity to discuss issues related to the consequences of the Association Agreement with the EU in Ukraine in the context of its cooperation with the States of the Customs Union,” Putin quoted the channel "RT".

Thirdly, probably feeling that the “independent” economy is heading for total collapse and that the east is against Kiev, Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in a conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass. Write about it "Versions" with reference to the agency "Interfax-Ukraine".

The international conference will be held in the fall. From the “invitation” itself it is clear that: 1) Kiev has neither the means nor the ability to quickly restore the Donbass; 2) Let the Russians and the European Union pay for the fact that the Donbass was destroyed by the Ukrainian army - such is the obvious message of the candy king.

Our comment.

Such a representative composition from Europe (Ashton, Oettinger, de Gucht), presumably, was intended to make Mr. Poroshenko understand that he already has very little to do in Ukraine, and that Europe wants to receive Russian gas without fail. Recall that in recent days, Ettinger no longer speaks of Iranian gas to replace Russian gas and sharply criticizes Kiev’s ideas about transferring Gazprom’s gas receiving points. He feels that the heating season is about to begin and that the EU will have a hard time for Eastern European countries. Suffering, for example, the same Bulgaria, trying to poke a stick in the wheels of "South Stream". In general, Ettinger seemed to understand that he was too strong in friendship with Kiev, the EU was playing against its own interests. Long understood, of course, but better late than never.

Now about the results of the bilateral meeting - Putin and Poroshenko. These negotiations were already past midnight. Their main topics were the peaceful settlement of the situation in Ukraine and economic issues, including energy.

As noted by Interfax, the Ukrainian president called the Minsk talks difficult and said that "the main goal with which we arrived in Minsk is peace."

In order to resolve the situation in the eastern regions of Ukraine, Poroshenko said in this connection, Kiev and Moscow would "immediately" begin consultations between the border agencies and the general headquarters of both countries.

“A road map will be developed on the basis of the peace plan, perhaps through a tripartite contact group we will hold consultations so as to reach the cease-fire regime as soon as possible, which will be provided by representatives of the OSCE monitoring mission,” Poroshenko said.

The Russian president, without departing from his realistic line here, gave clarifications. He said that at the bilateral meeting they discussed mechanisms for providing assistance to residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, and stated that “there are already certain agreements”.

Separately, Vladimir Putin noted that Moscow cannot discuss ceasefire conditions with Kiev: “We, Russia, cannot talk about ceasefire conditions, about possible agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. This is the business of Ukraine itself. ” The President added: “We can only contribute to creating an atmosphere of trust in the course of this possible and, in my opinion, highly necessary negotiation process.”

The second important "agenda of the night" at the talks were economic issues.

According to Petro Poroshenko, the parties agreed to hold consultations at the expert level on the economic consequences of the creation of a free trade zone between Ukraine and the European Union. According to the Ukrainian president, consultations on energy issues with the participation of European Commissioner Ettinger and the Ministers of Fuel and Energy of Russia and Ukraine will be held on September 6.

Vladimir Putin reaffirmed reaching agreement on the resumption of dialogue on gas energy issues.

Channel "RT"referring to RIA "News", Quotes the head of the Russian state that the energy issue is very difficult, and Russia, Ukraine and Europe are interested in its resolution.

“We have a lot of specific issues, and both Russia and Ukraine and our European partners are interested in solving these issues,” the Russian president said after bilateral talks. The president also stressed that Russia fully fulfills the conditions of gas contracts with Ukraine, but the actions of the Ukrainian Naftogaz create risks for the transit of Russian fuel to Europe.

RT clarifies that Vladimir Putin was referring to the situation when Gazprom paid an advance for the transit of gas to Europe, and Naftogaz returned the prepayment. As a result, gas deliveries from Russia to Europe “stuck”. And this question, Putin believes, requires "a painstaking researcher in the person of Russian partners, both European and Ukrainian."

The gas theme is indeed topical for Europe.

European Commissioner for Energy Ettinger, notes the same “RT”, said that Europe’s goal is “to avoid any problems in the coming months related to the security of gas supplies to all 28 EU countries, plus the states of the Western Balkans, as well as Ukraine and Moldova”. The Commissioner hopes for an "interim solution and a temporary price."

After the meeting with Putin, reports "Sight", the Ukrainian president traveled to the Ukrainian embassy in Minsk to meet with Baroness Ashton. Vladimir Putin met with Lukashenko and Nazarbayev at night and discussed with them the results of his conversation with Poroshenko.

The head of the Russian state praised the negotiations in Minsk as positive. He himself told this to journalists following the results of his working visit to Belarus. Putin's answers are given on presidential site.

To the question about the outcome of the “five-sided meeting” V. Putin said:

“In general, I assess them positively. I think that this meeting in this format was useful. I really don’t know how it will end. But in any case, we had the opportunity to once again articulate our concerns. And we agreed that we are intensifying the work of a tripartite working group consisting of Russia, Ukraine and representatives of the European Union and will try to formulate, if we can, on 12 September, if we can, proposals concerning those very concerns of Russia and the Customs Union that I mentioned. ”


As for the meeting with Poroshenko, Putin noted that an agreement was reached on the peace process, that "the contact group should resume its work as soon as possible, maybe here in Minsk." According to Putin, Russia and Ukraine agreed that "we need to resume our dialogue on energy issues, including on gas issues," and agreed that "we will resume these consultations."

Poroshenko, who ran at night to Ashton, gave a rather controversial assessment.

First, he called the negotiations "difficult and difficult." He writes about it ITAR-TASS with reference to Reuters.

Secondly, he said that a plan for a cease-fire in the south-east of Ukraine will be prepared as soon as possible.

But, let's ask ourselves, isn't this a positive outcome? And in general, what kind of "easy" negotiations a person might want if he unleashed a massacre in his country?

Guilt for civil war - entirely on Poroshenko. He could have remained in the history of the country as an ordinary oligarch, but now his hands are stained with blood. From the blood he did not wash off. And, presumably, he finally understood this, and today he is ready to pray to anyone: Ashton, Ettinger, Lukashenko, Nazarbayev, and even Putin, if only everything is somehow settled. Poroshenko himself, as it turned out, is unable to settle anything.

The only thing that remains for this “popularly elected” president is to rely on the fact that Western puppeteers, who recently learned through the UN how many people died and were injured in eastern Ukraine, and who have a heating season in their nose, will give Kiev some more money and at the same time the ability to save a “democratic” political face.

Once, at the very end of 90, analysts and economists wrote - even in textbooks on the history of economics - that Russia got hooked on a raw needle, and its destiny - to become a raw materials appendage of the West. All this is remembered, I guess. This “thesis” has become a cliché. And in the US and Europe they said that Russia was just a miserable resource-based country, totally dependent on gas and oil supplies.

After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. master 84
    master 84 27 August 2014 10: 56
    +20
    NOT ACCOUNTED PASHANKA dogs
    1. Ossetian.
      Ossetian. 27 August 2014 10: 58
      +75
      It used to be that Russia was a raw materials appendage of the West ... But in reality it turned out that Europe is the collective farm of Russia!
      wink
      1. nils
        nils 27 August 2014 11: 33
        -24
        "... Russia is not a drug addict at all, but a drug dealer."

        Modern explanatory dictionary of the Russian language Efremova:
        drag dealer - Sales organizer, wholesale distributor of drugs through specific channels.

        Drug must understand oil and gas.
        The question is simple, how much does the West depend on the supply of Russian drug and how much Russia, which is, as yet, a raw material power, depends on its sale.
        In my opinion, in the present century, the interest is common, and to say that Europe is a collective farm of Russia is somehow not ethical.
        1. Ossetian.
          Ossetian. 27 August 2014 12: 36
          +66
          Russia, which is, as yet, a raw material power.


          There is no need for fairy tales about a commodity country, before expanding on the topic and commenting, please look and see the statistics on Russian exports and imports (i.e., what Russia makes money from)
          In addition to oil and gas, Russia earns:
          1. Nuclear power.
          2. .Financial services
          3. Freight transport
          4. Export software development services
          5. Construction abroad
          6. Space launches
          7. Aviation design and consulting
          8. Business analytics and consulting
          9. Telecommunication Services
          10. Travel and business trips
          11. Metallurgy
          12. Chemical industry
          13. Agriculture and Food
          14. Armament
          15. Heavy engineering
          16. Shipbuilding
          17. Aviation
          18. Optics.
          19. Instruments, scientific equipment
          20. Box software
          21. Machine tools
          22. Common consumption goods
          23. Electrical Engineering
          24. Electronics
          25. Energetics
          SO THAT ENOUGH THINKS 90-YEARS.
          RUSSIA GREAT POWER !!!
          1. Peter Timofeev
            Peter Timofeev 27 August 2014 12: 54
            +11
            Poroshenko's thoughts: "a piglet, a piglet will turn into a crucian carp"
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 27 August 2014 23: 15
              +9
              Quote: Petr Timofeev
              Thoughts of Poroshenko

              What for? It would be better - if on the contrary ...
              Oh well ... materialization -
          2. Letun
            Letun 27 August 2014 13: 04
            +10
            Quote: Ossetian.
            No need for fairy tales about a commodity country, before you expand on the topic and comment, please look and see the statistics on Russian exports and imports

            You would also bring all this as a percentage of oil and gas revenues. I think optimism would be much lessened. Generally speaking, but underreporting is a shitty feature of our government.
            1. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 27 August 2014 13: 17
              +19
              You would also bring all this as a percentage of oil and gas revenues. I think optimism would be much lessened. Generally speaking, but underreporting is a shitty feature of our government.



              In total, in 2013, goods were exported for 523 billion dollars and services for 70 billion dollars. In total, Russia received from all exports 593 billion dollars in 2013 year. Of these, crude oil was sold at 174 billion, petroleum products at 109 billion, natural gas at 67 billion, liquefied gas at 5 billion. That is, hydrocarbons and its derivatives were exported at 355 billion in 2013. It turns out that Russia received 238 billion dollars in 2013 from the export of goods and services, in addition to oil and gas.
              238 billion non-fuel exports - is it a lot or a little? For comparison, the total total export of goods and services of Russia in the 2004 year was about 204 billion.
              1. Letun
                Letun 27 August 2014 13: 48
                +9
                Quote: Ossetian.
                is it a lot or a little? For comparison, the total total export of goods and services of Russia in 2004 was about 204 billion.

                For comparison, the average annual price for Brent crude oil in 2004 was $ 38,3 per barrel. How many barrels did you write in 2013, or do you find yourself?
                1. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 28 August 2014 20: 57
                  +2
                  You seem not to have thought up to the end. In terms of numbers, it turns out that we sold several times more oil in 2004 than in 2013: 204 billion minus non-fuel exports / 38,3 versus 174 billion /almost 100. And non-fuel exports to 2004 were much smaller than they are now and hardly made up half of all exports. So the idea of ​​avoiding the oil needle is traceable.
              2. African
                African 27 August 2014 16: 52
                +3
                Facts and statistics is a stubborn thing! Not in the eyebrow, but in the nostril!
              3. 97110
                97110 27 August 2014 17: 31
                +13
                Quote: Ossetian.
                It turns out that Russia received 238 billion dollars in 2013 from the export of goods and services, in addition to oil and gas.
                That is, coal exports - non-fuel exports? Also measured in millions of tons. We are silent about the forest. What is the share of machine tool and bearing industry products? I am not opposed to the fact that the country is great, against sacking without sufficient grounds.
                1. Ossetian.
                  Ossetian. 28 August 2014 14: 19
                  +3
                  Why the question about coal? I wrote that 238 billion of all exports does not concern oil, gas, coal. In your opinion, is Russia so ballast for world powers ?????
                  AND FOR ME SO RUSSIA A NURSE OF THE WHOLE WORLD !!!
                  EVERY 3-4 HOUSE IN THE USA IS LIGHTED THANKS TO RUSSIA, EVERY 2-3 HOUSE IN ALL EUROPE IS HEATED THROUGH RUSSIA.
            2. VAF
              VAF 27 August 2014 13: 56
              +9
              Quote: Letun
              You would also bring all this as a percentage of oil and gas revenues. I think optimism would be much lessened. Generally speaking, but underreporting is a shitty feature of our government.


              Just join your opinion, +! drinks

              Of course I would really like to. What would be like on this demotivator wassat





              But .. ok let's see .. how "it" .. "go further" recourse
            3. Suhow
              Suhow 28 August 2014 00: 22
              +1
              and not only yours, but ours. Sometimes you pour it so much that you want to cry, I’m ready to give the last, but look at their well-fed hari and vehicles, compare by yourself and understand that the rope is crying and the aspen is higher on them.
            4. ddd1975
              ddd1975 28 August 2014 05: 42
              +3
              more than 50% (either 54, or 56) of the budget is revenue from customs duties ... draw your own conclusions: how much is the budget from the supply of resources?
          3. nils
            nils 27 August 2014 13: 28
            +24
            For Ossetian:
            According to the Central Bank for 2013 year:
            - exported goods and services 593 billion dollars in 2013 year
            - Of these, crude oil, petroleum products, natural gas, liquefied gas by 355 billion dollars in 2013 year (60%)
            It turns out that Russia received 238 billion dollars in 2013 from the export of goods and services, in addition to oil and gas.
            238 billion (40%) of non-fuel exports - is it a lot or a little?

            For comparison, in the USSR, the share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity (I ask you to pay attention to fuel and electricity) in the budget did not actually exceed 10,3% in the most “dependent” years, and on average between 1980 and 1990, it was about 8%.

            Feel the difference by looking and looking at the statistics.
            Do not wishful thinking.
            It is one thing to shout "we will tear everyone apart", and another thing to really break it, as Russia did during the Soviet Union, bringing troops into Hungary, Czechoslovakia and quietly saying "NO" at UN meetings.

            Let us think in realities, rejoicing at very positive trends.
            1. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 27 August 2014 13: 55
              +27
              For comparison, in the USSR the share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity


              In general, the talk was about a country which is a raw predicate for Europe (and do not have to compare it with the USSR compared to the 90-00 YEARS) WHAT OUR COUNTRY WAS IN 90-X. So that it is not necessary to compare Russia with the USSR. AS ME, THE USSR WAS FROM SUPER.
              I want to bring to everyone that Russia was not in 90. And THERE IS RUSSIA WHICH IN RESPONSE CAN SO DAP, THAT SOMETHING WILL NOT SEEM. BEFORE ON THE FOREIGN POLICY ARENA, NO ONE ASKED US. And NOW WITHOUT US, NOT ONE CONFLICT DOES NOT PRACTICALLY BE SOLVED.

              PS YOU WILL LOOK AT THE SANCTIONS. THE WEST WAS SANCTIONS AND ABOUT US BY THE SEA. WE HAVE ENTERED AND THE WEST HOPPED))))))) ... ALMOST CHAMBED AND NOTICE THIS IS ALL WITHOUT GAS AND WITHOUT OIL ... this is such a reality !!!
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 27 August 2014 18: 00
                +15
                In general, everything is true, we are not the USSR with the second world economy, but no longer the Russian Federation with the 22nd. If someone thinks that after we allowed to destroy our country, it can be restored to the same strength in a couple of years, well, you can offer an experiment. Take and break your house, break furniture, break plumbing and punch a hole in the roof and then spot how much time, money and effort you will spend on restoring everything as it was. The same thing is with us, we have restored our house to a normal level, but to the level of the RSFSR we will continue to grow for a long time. In making a profit from mining I do not see anything bad, but even vice versa. The EU does not have raw materials, but we have and that means with all its technologies they depend on us and we can press on them and get what we need. In addition to being a gigantic instrument of geopolitics, mining is not so simple and requires knowledge-intensive and technological infrastructure in a much larger volume than the construction of some sort of garment factory. Mining resources in the Arctic is not an easy task and requires large-scale infrastructure. In addition, we are starting to develop Siberia and the North, roads and pipelines will be laid where there was no man on the days of the journey, power plants and settlements have been built, the population on the border with China will be increased, vast territories will be settled. This is our future, and not the construction of another AvtoVAZ. 80 percent of the population lives in the European part of the Russian Federation, and Siberia and the Far East are populated by foci. In general, GDP does everything right, but let dreamers continue to dream on the couch and talk about the raw material needle.
                1. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 28 August 2014 21: 04
                  +4
                  Dreamers, for your information, dream of a great country, of a great Russia. Either addicts or people without imagination dream of an oil needle.
            2. ddd1975
              ddd1975 28 August 2014 05: 47
              0
              ... well, where is the USSR now? This "energy independence" did not help ...
          4. yehat
            yehat 27 August 2014 14: 17
            +5
            the list is a long one, but if you look at everything in real shares, then the sale of weapons and resources will shut up everything else. Resources are understandable. Weapons - of course, these are technologies, but their development in comparison with the USSR is a snail. This was clearly visible at the tank biathlon.
          5. solkhat
            solkhat 27 August 2014 14: 28
            +4
            Thank you. I didn’t know everything. I love my Motherland and I am proud of our Putin1
          6. 97110
            97110 27 August 2014 17: 25
            +9
            Quote: Ossetian.
            No tales about a commodity country

            I also know how to talk about the class enemy, the Supreme Military Administration of the motor-shooting company. You would also, out of respect for the audience, add some no numbers. The specific gravity of each article, for example. Freight shipping is a lot of fun. In the oblast statistics office they could not explain in due time what the 8-wind farm report should be and where to put it if a ship flying the Russian flag but with a Cypriot shipowner is transporting wood from Sweden to Spain for a cargo owner from Switzerland, and the freight goes to a Bremen bank. You don’t need to do so with us, we’re not only slurping cabbage soup.
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            2. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 28 August 2014 11: 49
              +1
              For 97110
              Freight transportation is a lot of fun


              Freight transportation
              Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies is a world leader in the segment of superheavy and oversized air transportation with a turnover of more than 1 billion dollars. It has branches in the USA, UK, Ireland, China.
              Sovcomflot According to the annual rating of 10 of the world's leading tanker companies of the German Institute for Merchant Shipping and Logistics (Institut fürSeeverkehrswirtschaft und Logistik - ISL), on 1 on January 2012, Sovcomflot took the second place after the Japanese company Mitsui OSK Lines ( based on Clarkson Research Services Tanker Register). The English Lloyd's List announced in November 2012 that Sovcomflot took first place in fleet deadweight among the largest tanker carriers.
          7. wow
            wow 27 August 2014 18: 30
            +7
            "Commodity powers" are essentially "advanced" Canada and no less "advanced" Norway, the main export items of which are the aforementioned gas and oil. I personally have not heard anything about "Norwegian" nuclear power and "Canadian" aircraft construction, for example. And toasters and coffee makers with microwaves rivet! ??? For this there are countries that are simpler than Russia.
            1. sgapich
              sgapich 28 August 2014 00: 31
              +5
              With all due respect, I’ll correct you a little about Canada. Bombardier Aerospace, for example.
            2. FlyEngine
              FlyEngine 28 August 2014 02: 04
              +2
              In Canada, a lot of everything is produced, and the aircraft industry is also there :)
          8. IAlex
            IAlex 27 August 2014 19: 01
            +3
            I suggest everyone to distract from the computer and look around, and then think about where all these things are produced, and it turns out that it’s not in the Russian Federation, but they are needed by 147 million people more and more often than everything that is listed with you. T.ch. everything is not so rosy ...
          9. andrereu74
            andrereu74 27 August 2014 19: 57
            +2
            it’s just that some sectors need to be developed more intensively, sanctions (anti-sanctions) on time, if they are implemented competently by the government, and +++ per comment !!!
          10. severniy
            severniy 28 August 2014 00: 02
            -1
            Quote: Ossetian.
            Russia, which is, as yet, a raw material power.


            There is no need for fairy tales about a commodity country, before expanding on the topic and commenting, please look and see the statistics on Russian exports and imports (i.e., what Russia makes money from)
            In addition to oil and gas, Russia earns:
            1. Nuclear power.
            2. .Financial services
            3. Freight transport
            4. Export software development services
            5. Construction abroad
            6. Space launches
            7. Aviation design and consulting
            8. Business analytics and consulting
            9. Telecommunication Services
            10. Travel and business trips
            11. Metallurgy
            12. Chemical industry
            13. Agriculture and Food
            14. Armament
            15. Heavy engineering
            16. Shipbuilding
            16. Shipbuilding
            17. Aviation
            18. Optics.
            19. Instruments, scientific equipment
            20. Box software
            21. Machine tools
            22. Common consumption goods
            23. Electrical Engineering
            24. Electronics
            25. Energetics
            SO THAT ENOUGH THINKS 90-YEARS.
            RUSSIA GREAT POWER !!!

            put the cons, but half the total nonsense, from the statistics of our government ..., especially pleased:
            2. .Financial services, our banks are the most banking !!!
            4. Export software development services writer you have 7, or 8 wines ???
            6. Space launches, in the light of recent falls, finally without comment ...
            9. Telecommunication services- at whom is G.P. Es ???
            13. Agriculture and food - I live in Krasnodar, complete devastation, I see all this from the inside, so to speak ...
            16. Shipbuilding- about the Mistrals mash ???
            17. Aviation - lifted up modernization of the old troughs of the IL-20 type from 1970xxx
            18. Optics about Carl Zeiss, for example, talk to Mona and a dozen more manufacturers, and there are no Russian names
            22. Consumer goods, as in Zhvanetsky, we consume toilet paper most of all ... gee, what kind of goods ?? !!!
            24. Electronics, I don’t have a telly, I have a ruby ​​.., and the music center is electronics, it’s 100%, so it’s a great power, you don’t need to be arrogant about the current and imagine yourself to be the navel of the earth .., IMHO of course ...
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            2. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 28 August 2014 10: 21
              +7
              Quote: severniy
              put the cons, but half the total nonsense, from the statistics of our government ..., especially pleased:
              2. .Financial services, our banks are the most banking !!!
              4. Export software development services writer you have 7, or 8 wines ???
              6. Space launches, in the light of recent falls, finally without comment ...
              9. Telecommunication services- at whom is G.P. Es ???


              1. Regarding Financial Services: Russian forex broker "Alpari" is one of the five largest in the world. Or do you think that financial services is only the banking sector?
              2. Regarding the export of software development services: the volume of Russian software exports amounted to 5 billion dollars.
              3: About Space Services: Well, here you surprised me. My friend, turn on your brain, Russia is a leader in this field.
              4. Regarding Telecommunication Services:
              FSUE “Space Communication” provides access to the space segment to users from 35 countries and is confidently one of the ten largest global satellite communications operators in terms of orbital-frequency resource.

              I can further continue to explain elementary things to you .... or are you further on your own?

              PS These are the sorrows of patriots who, apart from the minuses, see nothing in our country. Who honor the liberal newspaper of the fifth column and fly at full steam to scold their country. It’s a pity, but such facts do not reach obvious facts until you poke your forehead and show. People of your type are a brake on the development of public opinion, self-awareness, and faith.
              We have a Great Country and all the peoples inhabiting it too !!!
            3. Ossetian.
              Ossetian. 28 August 2014 11: 29
              +2
              Quote: severniy
              put cons


              Well, you’re just like a girl here, such a small bug))) ... I didn’t like my comment on the article, minus it (here we do not communicate for the minuses and pluses), but there is no need to incite others to manly. Everyone can read my comment and decide to minus or plus or even forget.
              You live in 2014 and you see Russia still 90-2000x.
        2. dimdimich71
          dimdimich71 27 August 2014 18: 02
          0
          I think it’s also not ethical .- but patriotic !!! Europe is not a head but just ....
        3. PureGUN
          PureGUN 27 August 2014 22: 09
          +3
          unethically destroy their people ...
        4. spd2001
          spd2001 27 August 2014 22: 53
          +1
          Of course not a collective farm. Where is the collective farm from ?! There (in Europe) each (member) is for himself, for his own. And to Russia, just the attitude is: everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine. How to bring to the collective farm, not in the plan, but in the plan, to have a fuck.
        5. siberalt
          siberalt 28 August 2014 03: 29
          +1
          About "it is necessary to understand" everyone has their own "understandings". They very much even depend on the level of education and training, not to mention upbringing. Something like this.
        6. Rarahin
          Rarahin 28 August 2014 18: 25
          +1
          Quote: nils
          to say that Europe is the collective farm of Russia is somehow not ethical.

          I agree with you. It is much more ethical to say - Russian Farms ...
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 27 August 2014 12: 02
        +11
        A “road map” will be developed on the basis of the peace plan, perhaps through a tripartite contact group we will hold consultations to get to the ceasefire regime as soon as possible, which will be provided by representatives of the OSCE monitoring mission, ”Poroshenko said.

        In opu let him stick his card. Only surrender and recognition of Novorosia. angry
      3. 222222
        222222 27 August 2014 12: 15
        +8
        As I understand it, the Glan was –– the VVP brought to Europe that the signing of the association of Ukraine with the EU will NOT remain noticed .. Wait for retaliatory measures .... They will certainly be .. and it will again hurt Europe ..
        The war was full of "ales kaput" .... nothing was achieved ... there was no way out for the press ..
      4. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 27 August 2014 13: 56
        +3
        the last phrase of the article is +100500 quintessence however ..
      5. asater1000
        asater1000 27 August 2014 14: 03
        +18
        There is still a difficult path ahead. But could we imagine, at the beginning of this year, when a neo-Nazi march unfolded in full force in Ukraine to the music of the EU and the United States, when we were threatened with disruption of the Olympics, when they predicted a state on the border with a half-million army of fascists, when they talked about that there will be a NATO naval base in Crimea, and when, to say the least, almost everyone had the thought that it was necessary to send troops and deploy a full-scale conflict, otherwise we would lose the ability to control the situation. So could we then imagine that Crimea would become ours without a single shot, that the Militia from several hundred would turn into an army that practically destroyed the Ukrainian Air Force and today is already pushing the junta's troops to the west, and that in Minsk, visiting "dictator" Lukashenko will meet the EU with its henchman Poroshenko, they came to bow to Russia and its allies, to negotiate. Although a couple of months ago, they had a completely different tone and attitude.
        Thanks to everyone who took part in this, and of course to the person under whose guidance all this happened. Thank you Vladimir Putin!
      6. Blacks
        Blacks 28 August 2014 09: 13
        +3
        I think .. that over the past 50 years (or maybe more)
        The best thing in Russia is Putin (I mean the government)
        GDP Well done ... I personally respect.
        The right owner ..
    2. Wels75
      Wels75 27 August 2014 10: 59
      +52
      FSE sailed Pitroshenko:
      The darkest sends signs:
      “The day before yesterday on Khreshchatyk, during Poroshenko’s speech, an incident happened. The wind tore off one of the Ukrainian flags and began to carry it in the air. They began to pay attention to this and take pictures.
      The wind, vilifying the Ukrainian flag in the air, lowered it onto the ranks of soldiers in the form of ATO, covering them. Everyone began to applaud.
      And I will tell you that this is a very bad sign. Who is covered with a flag in a war? "
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 27 August 2014 11: 11
        +7
        Quote: Veles75
        The wind, bearing the Ukrainian flag in the air, lowered it to the ranks of soldiers in the form of ATO

        Very symbolic, interesting, and what kind of morale will these soldiers have after such a sign?
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 27 August 2014 12: 55
          +3
          Very symbolic, interesting, and what kind of morale will these soldiers have after such a sign?

          Most likely, the meaning of this sign will be comprehended by the ukrokaratel already being "on the other side of good and evil." *

          *"Beyond Good and Evil" - a quote from the puppet show "An Unusual Concert" by Sergei Obraztsov's Puppet Theater.
        2. Cadet787
          Cadet787 27 August 2014 13: 55
          +4
          27.08.2014 - 11: 34
          The list of captured Ukrainian troops.
          Report of the Information Service of the Political Department of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR


          LISTS OF FILED UKRAINIAN MILITARY SERVERS (UPDATED 11:44 on 27.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX)

          1. Bely Dmitry Yuryevich. G. Novograd-Volynsky, Rokosovsky 4. Military unit 30 ombre.
          2. Litvinuk Alexander Alexandrovich. The village of Pashutinok, Khmelnitsky region. H / H 30 ombre.
          3. Nightingale Alexey Valentinovich. G. Novograd-Volynsky, Levanevsky 2. Military unit 30 ombre.
          4. Sergiychuk Dmitry Vladimirovich. The village of Kirilovka Zhytomyr region, st. Vatutina 9. W / H 30 ombre.
          5. Sheka Sergey Viktorovich. G. Novograd-Volynsky, Tolubka 12. Military unit 30 ombre.
          6. Kilnitsky Vladimir Nikolaevich. G. Novograd-Volynsky, Zhytomyr 64. Military unit 30 ombre.
          7. Tsiklaur Alexander Shotaevich. The village of Mikhaylochka, Khmelnitsky region. H / H 30 ombre.
          8. Lanovoy Roman Vladimirovich. The village of Okonsk of the Volyn region. H / H 30 ombre.
          9. Ivanov Yuri Vasilievich. G. Rivne, Chernovola 59. H / W 30 ombre.
          10. Tepa Taras Ivanovich. , G. Rivne, Makarova 10. V / H 30 ombre
          11. Rischikovets Leonid Sergeevich. The village of Luko, Rivne region, lives in the city of Kuznetsovsk. 2nd bat SRW in Rivne.
          12. Matyukh Alexander Nikolaevich. The village of Butovo, Rivne region, lives in Rivne, Moinovskaya 39. The 2nd baht of SRW in Rivne.
          13. Vlasyuk Oleg Alexandrovich. Novograd-Volynsky, Levanevsky 2. 30 OMBR.
          14. Bukia Yuri Zurabovich. The village of Brani, Gorokhovsky district, Volyn region. 51OMBR
          15. Antipchuk Alexey Ivanovich. G. Novograd-Volynsky, Friendship 5. 30 OMBR.
          16. Tuganbaev Sergey Bayzhanovich. native with. Rastov, Kiev region. 30 OMBR
          17. Marine Victor Nikolaevich. Kiev, Mayakovsky 5. 30 OMBR.
          18. Zainchkovsky Sergey Iosipovich. Grushki village of Zhytomyr region. 30 OMBR.
          19. Bezyazykov Ivan Nikolaevich. Colonel Zhytomyr, p. Svyaznoy 2.
          20. Buchkovsky Alexander Darelovich. Colonel Zhytomyr, Chernyakhovsky 108.
          21. Stasiev Vasily Ivanovich. Colonel Novograd-Volynsky, st. Tulupko 16.
          22. Sakhnevich Vladimir Dmitrievich. Colonel Zhytomyr, per. Maryanovsky 38.
          23. Yurchuk Andrey Dmitrievich. Major. Rivne, Klima Savurie 14.
          24. Shmigalsky Valery Valentinovich. Major. Vinnitsa, st. Krasnoarmeyskaya, 17.
          25. Roy Oleg Borisovich. Major. Novograd-Volynsky, Rybalko 11.
          26. Mandazhi Evgeny Petrovich. Captain. Novograd-Volynsky, st. Zhytomyr 53.
          27. Ilchenko Yuri Alexandrovich. Art. lieutenant. Novograd-Volynsky, st. Levanevsky 2.

          MOBILE COMMISSION TELEPHONES.
          093 445 9093 093 442 3452 Email: [email protected]

          The DPR Ministry of Defense recalls that the most humane attitude to the Ukrainian military personnel who have laid down their arms voluntarily and who have not offered resistance is the most humane.
        3. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 27 August 2014 15: 31
          +4
          Quote: volot-voin
          Very symbolic


          Already a lot of these signs ...
          It would be nice if the crows didn’t give a damn about Poroshenko’s head with his comrades.
          It would be a full compress. wassat laughing
          And everyone would say about the extensive ties between President Vladimir Putin. good
      2. Turik
        Turik 27 August 2014 11: 12
        +3
        Shame on the Ukrainian army!

        Judging by the number of warriors surrounded, Novorossia alone was able to deploy as many soldiers as all of Ukraine combined.
        1. nvv
          nvv 27 August 2014 11: 23
          +40
          Nothing holds. The soldier-fell. The son-fell. The flag-fell. Ukraine-fell?
          1. Strezhevsky
            Strezhevsky 27 August 2014 12: 56
            +13
            Quote: nvv
            Nothing holds. The soldier-fell. The son-fell. The flag-fell. Ukraine-fell?

            Hryvnia, fat, rating, prestige of the country ...... everything fell !!!!
            1. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 04
              +2
              No country - what prestige?
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 04
          +7
          Tsarev said two months ago (!!!) that "when the ratio of the forces of the militia and the security forces becomes 1 to 2-3 instead of the current 1 to 8-10, then the forces of Novorossiya will be able to move from defense to offensive actions." So - not as much, but half as much - "the enemy must be beaten not with numbers, but with skill." But the number will not hurt either - so good luck to Pavel Gubarev in his current work.
      3. cap54
        cap54 27 August 2014 11: 17
        +11
        The flag looked like a huge bird - a hawk or an EAGLE, which chose a victim ... And the Ukrainian troops were the victim! Not long they have to breathe on this earth - to be covered with a flag - a bad omen !!! PREPARE! ... in hell already make bonfires for you, but pour tar into the vats !!!
      4. Boris55
        Boris55 27 August 2014 11: 20
        +16
        Quote: Veles75
        The wind, bearing the Ukrainian flag in the air, lowered it to the ranks of soldiers in the form of ATO, covering them

        God speaks to us in the language of life circumstances.
        - during the inauguration of Poraschenko, one of the soldiers lost consciousness,
        - during the prayer in the church, the son of Poraschenko lost consciousness,
        - now here is the flag ...
        In general, this bloody regime did not have long to live ...
        1. Wels75
          Wels75 27 August 2014 16: 53
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Veles75
          The wind, bearing the Ukrainian flag in the air, lowered it to the ranks of soldiers in the form of ATO, covering them

          God speaks to us in the language of life circumstances.
          - during the inauguration of Poraschenko, one of the soldiers lost consciousness,
          - during the prayer in the church, the son of Poraschenko lost consciousness,
          - now here is the flag ...
          In general, this bloody regime did not have long to live ...

          I absolutely agree with you, Boris! hi
      5. Humpty
        Humpty 27 August 2014 11: 22
        +4
        When Mazepa got lice stuck to death, Charles 12 decided, no more, no less, that this was a worthy death for a great man.
        Few will accept the evil ones, starting with the face of Yushchenko. And in the past some mysticism stuck to the main villains from Ukraine.
      6. Roshchin
        Roshchin 27 August 2014 11: 42
        +3
        Not even able to arrange window dressing - they lose consciousness, then cover with flags. In a word, everything was covered.
        1. hooligan
          hooligan 28 August 2014 01: 47
          +1
          It’s a pity that it’s not a copper basin))
      7. samoletil18
        samoletil18 27 August 2014 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: Veles75
        The wind, vilifying the Ukrainian flag in the air, lowered it onto the ranks of soldiers in the form of ATO, covering them. Everyone began to applaud.

        "Going to death! Greetings."
      8. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 27 August 2014 12: 50
        +5
        Quote: Veles75
        The wind, vilifying the Ukrainian flag in the air, lowered it onto the ranks of soldiers in the form of ATO, covering them. Everyone began to applaud.
        And I will tell you that this is a very bad sign. Who is covered with a flag in a war? "

        You are absolutely right. Nick was chosen by right. I can add that by sending the warriors to the grave of grief, this flag also defined the statehood of Usraina, which was invented by the enemies of the Russian World. And such negotiations are needed only to designate a new place for Russia in the world. There is no more room for compromise, for "compromises". The EU can only ask and wait for an answer, not dictate - as it seemed to them. And they themselves created this situation. Meeting with a parasha - a proposal to declare an unconditional surrender sounded, I hope ... As for the main culprits of the Ukrainian tragedy - the United States, their opinion or attitude should not be voiced even in the media! Moreover, there can be no question of their participation in the negotiations. You can listen to them when they take their place in the dock. And moreover: in resolving issues of intimacy with your wife, you will not resort to the "help" of an encroaching neighbor - a rapist who has been convicted many times for this ?! Their - the US participation "in everything and everywhere" - is the number 1 cause of instability in the World. THEY (!) Provoke wars, conflicts, bloody riots, coups ...
      9. Belarus
        Belarus 27 August 2014 12: 57
        +7
        I’ll tell you this: in the former Ukraine there were at least such signs, for example:
        A funeral wreath fell on Yanukovych, the doors were closed when he entered the hall in the government
        Yushchenko didn’t want to fly away a white dove at the celebration (I don’t remember which one)
        At PARASHAYenko, the soldiers of the guard of honor fainted, then his son at the prayer service on Independence Day (it is not clear from whom is Independence Day from the people?)
        Now the flag has covered the "defenders" of capital.

        Some warnings but they don’t understand their maydanuty!
      10. Cadet787
        Cadet787 27 August 2014 13: 50
        +4
        The Lord gives a sign of the imminent end of the ukrofashists. This is for the destroyed temples, for the death of innocent people, for the grief and blood that you brought to the land of New Russia and there will be no forgiveness and mercy to you.
      11. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 27 August 2014 13: 59
        +5
        and remember in the Vatican crows pecked pigeons, symbolizing the outskirts .. mysticism in full growth, but it comes true.
    3. waisson
      waisson 27 August 2014 11: 18
      +24
      I would say so
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 27 August 2014 12: 53
        +3
        I would say so


        PHYSIO DOESN'T evoke pleasant emotions. Fact. However - trying to stop this "quarrel" and for that "merci"!

        Do we like it or not? NO! But this is not our business but Ukraine! And our business is to respect their choice!


        Guilt for civil war - entirely on Poroshenko. He could have remained in the history of the country as an ordinary oligarch, but now his hands are stained with blood. From the blood he did not wash off. And, presumably, he finally understood this, and today he is ready to pray to anyone: Ashton, Ettinger, Lukashenko, Nazarbayev, and even Putin, if only everything is somehow settled. Poroshenko himself, as it turned out, is unable to settle anything.


        If HE arrived (had enough brains) and says (Merkel apparently voiced Banana's consent) it's time to stop the slaughter, then “let him live! It's still good for humanity.

        But the fault on it or not, it still needs to be sorted out! It seems to me that he acted as far as he was allowed: circumstances, Yatsenyuki, Bananas, Merkel and his mental abilities.

        No need to rush to hang "medals"!

        If he does not stop this fight, the militias will have to take Kiev. And how many more boys will die?
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 August 2014 11: 35
      +7
      Poroshenko, like a small mongrel under the feet of our presidents, did business, and now does not know how to get out of this shit.
      1. SS68SS
        SS68SS 27 August 2014 13: 27
        +6
        ... Poroshenko himself, as it turned out, is unable to settle anything ...


        Until he outlaws the Nazis (Nalyvaichenko, Yarosh, Lyashko, etc.), he will not do anything. Even if she wants to ...
        1. domiemon
          domiemon 27 August 2014 15: 07
          +7
          The main thing is to destroy Kalomoisky. This is the main engine of the current conflict. It is he who subsidizes all kinds of battalions "Azov", "Dnepr" and so on.
          1. Flexsus
            Flexsus 27 August 2014 21: 54
            +4
            Most importantly, the US must be destroyed! and that is the truth. And then deal with the puppeteers of the United States and their presidents.
        2. Combitor
          Combitor 27 August 2014 23: 16
          +5
          Quote: SS68SS
          Poroshenko himself, as it turned out, was unable to settle anything ...

          <<< Poroshenko, who ran to Ashton at night ... >>
    5. xenod55
      xenod55 27 August 2014 13: 39
      +9
      Potroshenko complained to Ashton toad how "difficult and difficult" it was for him in the negotiations. Let VVP say thanks that:
      1. GDP gave him the opportunity to shake hands
      2. "Allowed" to drive off to their embassy, ​​and not escorted to KOLMA.
  2. volot-voin
    volot-voin 27 August 2014 10: 59
    +25
    Ukraine needs to be squeezed to the end.
    1. Squares
      Squares 27 August 2014 11: 07
      -37
      Quote: volot-voin
      Ukraine needs to be squeezed to the end.

      After we "squeeze" which next country will we explain how to love the Motherland?))
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 27 August 2014 11: 29
        +42
        Quote: Squares
        After we "squeeze" which next country will we explain how to love the Motherland?))


        Not a country ... we’ll take up our dodges ... we will grind ... With what the Homeland begins ...
        1. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 27 August 2014 15: 46
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          let’s take care of our dodges.


          That's right!
          Events in Ukraine is a serious warning from above for Russia. negative
      2. DV69
        DV69 27 August 2014 11: 49
        +7
        Quote: Squares
        Quote: volot-voin
        Ukraine needs to be squeezed to the end.

        After we "squeeze" which next country will we explain how to love the Motherland?))


        You personally will not explain anything to anyone. Nobody gave you such a right personally.
        And it is unlikely that you will ever have such a right.
      3. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 09
        +3
        Yes, it would not hurt Mexico to help Canada :)
    2. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 27 August 2014 15: 39
      +5
      Quote: volot-voin
      Ukraine needs to be squeezed to the end.


      See the root !!!
      The West needs to be squeezed, without any compromises! am
      A little more effort and they will merge Ukraine ...
  3. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 27 August 2014 10: 59
    +2
    YES parash world is unnecessary so dictate to us
  4. DMB-88
    DMB-88 27 August 2014 10: 59
    +11
    Negotiations and persuasions of the "non-handshake" parashenka, most likely, will not lead to positive results. Now the end of the war will most likely depend only on the success in the military operations of the Army of Novorossiya!
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 27 August 2014 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: DMB-88
      Now the cessation of the war will most likely depend only on successes in the combat operations of the New Russia Army!

      The cessation of the war previously depended on the successes of New Russia. In general, little has changed, yet another gas trade.
      1. Hariva
        Hariva 27 August 2014 11: 13
        +4
        "Another gas trade"
        I would say "incipient gas withdrawal"
      2. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 27 August 2014 16: 09
        +8
        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: DMB-88
        Now the cessation of the war will most likely depend only on successes in the combat operations of the New Russia Army!

        The cessation of the war previously depended on the successes of New Russia. In general, little has changed, yet another gas trade.

        Yes, but not only.

        I very carefully and more than once reviewed all the videos from this meeting. I can’t say that I am a professional physiognomist, but this is not required to understand the sign language and views.
        Poroshenko constantly looked down, fiddled with his hands, his voice trembled and sometimes went into falsetto. And our troika, especially Nazarbayev and Lukashenko, looked at him as if they knew something that the public was not told in plain text. More specifically, their look was very ironic, like - "Well, I jumped." Petya. With his spinal cord, he felt that Europe was draining him, and the TC would arrange a public flogging for him, with the hands of European commissioners. Those. Petya really bled and bleated something completely unintelligible, which is inherent in the current Kiev government. Our, on the contrary, confidently and very demonstratively showed the solidarity of ranks, opinions and positions on all issues discussed at the meeting.
        Petya’s fears that he, right from Minsk, would be taken to The Hague, were not unfounded.
    2. cap54
      cap54 27 August 2014 11: 22
      +8
      For Poroshenko - to agree to peace proposals - means to lose your face, to plunge into the dirt and guano so hard that it will spray all of his patrons in the EU and the USA, from whom they will not wash away forever ... so he will be to continue the war against his people and flood his powerlessness with the "green serpent" until the moment when he himself turns green !!! And the army of New Russia will win the victory even without his participation !!!
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 27 August 2014 10: 59
    +21
    Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in the conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass

    xoxol will remain xoxl ...
  6. kotev19
    kotev19 27 August 2014 11: 00
    +3
    In one sentence:
    Small Russian spool yes expensive, big Ukrainian stump - yes d ... den!
  7. a52333
    a52333 27 August 2014 11: 00
    +7
    Russia (Putin), Kazakhstan (Nazarbayev) and Belarus (Lukashenko) - persuaded Ukraine in a stalemate (Poroshenko) to end the war.

    The author flattered the position of the outskirts, calling him situevina PATova. It smells like obscenities! And the question is not only about the emerging turning point at the front, but how much in the aggregate: war + economy + campaign for Susanin (that is, in eu (fak eu))
  8. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 27 August 2014 11: 00
    +21
    Kiev will not be of any help, otherwise it will continue fighting with our money, and this can be considered as support for the fascist regime. soldier
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 27 August 2014 11: 02
    +5
    Poroshenko, as it turned out, was unable to settle anything.
    And what can a chocolate hare settle ... he's a real hare, chocolate ...
  10. mig31
    mig31 27 August 2014 11: 04
    +9
    This is supposedly the president, looks pitiful against the background of everyone else - the sense of end on the face is pronounced ...
    1. mirrorfax
      mirrorfax 27 August 2014 11: 41
      +2
      To paraphrase a little with your permission:
      "The end on the face is very pronounced ...")
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 27 August 2014 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: mig31
      This is supposedly the president, looks pitiful against the background of everyone else - the sense of end on the face is pronounced ...

      Yes, I fit into the harlot, it would be better to continue my city of sweets with soya.
  11. Squares
    Squares 27 August 2014 11: 05
    -11
    Quote: Ossetian.
    It used to be that Russia was a raw materials appendage of the West ... But in reality it turned out that Europe is the collective farm of Russia!
    wink

    An influx of refugees from Germany who already understood their collapse in our Tula region is expected in the near future. Oh, and now the French with the Galandians will run to Saratov)) Thank God, at least they finally realized who actually lives normally))))
    1. DV69
      DV69 27 August 2014 11: 53
      +10
      Quote: Squares
      Quote: Ossetian.
      It used to be that Russia was a raw materials appendage of the West ... But in reality it turned out that Europe is the collective farm of Russia!
      wink

      An influx of refugees from Germany who already understood their collapse in our Tula region is expected in the near future. Oh, and now the French with the Galandians will run to Saratov)) Thank God, at least they finally realized who actually lives normally))))


      Well, one very famous Frenchman has already come running.
      Troll thinner.
      1. Squares
        Squares 27 August 2014 12: 32
        -8
        Quote: DV69


        Well, one very famous Frenchman has already come running.
        Troll thinner.



        Yes, I heard he kind of lives in Saransk, right?)))
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 14
      +6
      And we will have to revive the Republic of Germans of the Volga region, and move the People's Artist of Russia Gerard Depardieu according to the LDPR party list to the presidency of the French Autonomous Region, and grass lovers - the Dutch - to Barabinsk, to Barabinsk - to breed hemp
  12. djtyysq
    djtyysq 27 August 2014 11: 05
    +21
    The most interesting: the South-East was bombed by Poroshenko, and Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus help to restore! And you don't need Roshen candy made of shit, "popularly elected"?
    1. DV69
      DV69 27 August 2014 11: 55
      +4
      Quote: djtyysq
      The most interesting: the South-East was bombed by Poroshenko, and Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus help to restore! And you don't need Roshen candy made of shit, "popularly elected"?


      So Russia will restore everything. How can you not restore your own territory? There will be nothing to do.
  13. vorobey
    vorobey 27 August 2014 11: 06
    +27
    Olezhka hello .... about the draddillera cool comparison ...

    I can dare to add a few conclusions ...
    Separately, Vladimir Putin noted that Moscow cannot discuss ceasefire conditions with Kiev: “We, Russia, cannot talk about ceasefire conditions, about possible agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. This is the business of Ukraine itself. ”

    Thus, the GDP made it clear that the DPR has a carte blanche from Moscow in this situation and only the format and conditions of the ceasefire and further actions will depend on them and their conditions ... Moscow will not influence them ...
    Poroshenko was overlaid with his theses on a single and unalloyed empty sound in the light of yesterday’s statement by the DPR government that federalization does not suit them now ... All the guys ... are sawing Ukraine ...

    Thirdly, probably feeling that the economy is “independent” and is heading towards complete collapse and that the east is against Kiev, Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in a conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass. This is written by "Versions" with reference to the agency "Interfax-Ukraine".

    The international conference will be held in the fall. From the “invitation” itself it is clear that: 1) Kiev has neither the means nor the ability to quickly restore the Donbass; 2) Let the Russians and the European Union pay for the fact that the Donbass was destroyed by the Ukrainian army - such is the obvious message of the candy king.

    In principle, according to the plan, only Russia should have paid, but something went wrong and Russia is already asking ... interestingly, with some enthusiasm the EU will accept this proposal.


    Well, absolutely ... shame ... rushed to Ashton like a jerk to report what they were talking about and what they were set up for ....
    1. Mart
      27 August 2014 11: 23
      +10
      Quote: vorobey
      Olezhka hello .... about the draddillera cool comparison ...


      Hi Sasha! Thank.
      I'm sad here. Apollo is gone. Please be healthy, comrades moderators!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 27 August 2014 11: 27
        +6
        Quote: Mart
        Apollo is gone


        You know Oleg on his own ...
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 27 August 2014 15: 14
        +6
        We will try. Although how it goes ...

        Sad to the obscene.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 27 August 2014 19: 34
          +9
          Somehow I wanted to leave the site. Thanks to Apollo, he stayed. Hard as a butt on the head. As I understand it, guys, you are from one "team". Please accept my sincere condolences and support - we are with you. Thanks for his PHOTO.
          On this topic. "... On gas - a dead end ...". It means a lot. The EU has no guarantees of supplies, hence the GDP keeps them on a leash. I think he can connect two points. Kiev will be helped with weapons, other soldiers. equipment and ammunition - there will be no gas. He has a thousand and one reasons to cut off supplies due to force majeure.
          Angela somehow sang. Like. “We will not object to Ukraine’s entry into the EAEU,” I don’t know whether it’s true or not. But this is typical of the current situation in the EU. They do not say that an avalanche will follow the farmers - producers of rural equipment will suffer. parts, fertilizers, chemicals, transport workers, banks, farmers will not receive subsidies. And all this will not give the necessary votes in the elections. More gas. The European authorities did not fully understand the depth of the Russian sanctions at the beginning, and now it looks like panic. It remains for the Russian Federation to finish off the Yankees on the issue of Eastern Ukraine - the EU is knocked out (and it will not soon begin to play the game).
          I also liked how the National Academy of Sciences "legalized" humanitarian aid. Psakaniya on this issue disappears. And if it continues, we will ask the PRC to express its opinion on this matter (the United States does not benefit from such an explicit consolidation of the "axis of evil" in front of the whole world). Poroshenko is probably furious, but he will not be able to do anything anymore - well, at least the Novoros are no longer in danger of hunger. It will not do without provocations, but the topic is closed.
          I was surprised that the National Academy of Sciences and the LAS (well, he is the owner, but the National Academy of Sciences is still an aksakal and the time of Astana was 3.30 am) waited for the end of the GDP press conference after the meeting with Poroshenko, and went somewhere to discuss. It is clear that they can solve the EAEU affairs over the phone. And the GDP clearly darkened the negotiations - he clearly explained the political economy and Poroshenko's place in the "distribution" to him. So, that the "discussion" of the negotiations until the morning was not postponed, it means that the GDP does not agree. It seems to me that the GDP Poroshenko explained everything and made all the forecasts for the near future, there is nothing good there for him. hi
    2. Fin
      Fin 27 August 2014 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: vorobey
      Thus, the GDP made it clear that the DPR has a carte blanche from Moscow in this situation and only the format and conditions of the ceasefire and further actions will depend on them and their conditions ... Moscow will not influence them ...

      Also drew attention. Once the GDP proposed to settle everything in peace - they didn’t want to, now without intermediaries it’s necessary to negotiate directly with LDNR.
      “We need to resume our dialogue on energy issues, including on gas issues” and agreed that “we will resume these consultations.”

      Here, you probably have to throw off the price and recalculate the debt. Otherwise, you won’t take anything from these people.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 27 August 2014 11: 54
        +5
        Quote: Fin
        Here, you probably have to throw off the price and recalculate the debt. Otherwise, you won’t take anything from these people.


        Trumpet let them pay. Already offered to lower the price ...
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 27 August 2014 13: 20
          +2
          You can also take part of the payment with some specific scalps, territories. But their GTS and tries ... not needed. Completion of "Yuzhny ...", and let them dismantle their pipe even for scrap ...
        2. Flexsus
          Flexsus 27 August 2014 22: 10
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          Trumpet let them pay.

          They already sold the amers to the pipe, now they simply don’t know how to do it right from the legal. points, and the money has already been taken. In such cases, refunds as with Gazprom do not channel. This is the mafia, took the money? I took it. what you should do, and your problems do not bother anyone. Either do what you promised, or die. But I want to live, but how to transfer the pipe is not clear.
      2. 341712
        341712 27 August 2014 12: 57
        +5
        Quote: Fin
        Here, you probably have to throw off the price and recalculate the debt. Otherwise, you won’t take anything from these people.

        And with what fright? !! The counter has not been canceled .... Debt is a good trump card in the sleeve. And the leash, according to write, to deduce if something happens .... So everything is right)))))
      3. tolancop
        tolancop 27 August 2014 13: 16
        +5
        IMHO, just the opposite. It was announced that Russia, even if it wants to, NOW will not be able to give a discount on the price of gas, since it would harm it in the Stockholm court. Beautiful wrapper under "fuck you, not a discount !!!!".
    3. saag
      saag 27 August 2014 12: 44
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      “We, Russia, cannot talk about the conditions of a ceasefire, about possible agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. This is the business of Ukraine itself. ”

      By this Putin made it clear that there can’t be any talk about any separation, there will be no recognition. Ukraine recognizes him as a single state.
    4. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 27 August 2014 16: 45
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      All the guys ... sawing Ukraine ...


      At first glance, Sparrow, you make the right assumption ...

      It seems to me something else: Putin needs Kiev ... what

      We won’t argue, we don’t know everything. It can be a very complicated combination.
      What Putin and Poroshenko really talked about, we most likely will never know ...

      Let's wait a bit, the course of events will tell us how this meeting ended.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 27 August 2014 17: 36
        +1
        Quote: SOKOL777
        It seems to me something else: Putin needs Kiev ...



        IN VO .. Sawing on the very Kiev. By the way, I’m saying this from the very beginning.
        1. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 28 August 2014 00: 26
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          IN VO .. Sawing on the very Kiev.


          Then, not in Kiev, but in Galicia. And there must be an iron curtain ...
          Poland, Romania, etc. they themselves will be consumed.
          The genocide of zapadentsev is not in our rules. We are Russian!
  14. Vend
    Vend 27 August 2014 11: 06
    +7
    Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in a conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass.

    Ah yes comedian, ah yes sly. They destroyed, and Russia in a compartment Belarus and Kazakhstan should pour in and restore the loot.
    “We, Russia, cannot talk about the conditions of a ceasefire, about possible agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. This is the business of Ukraine itself. ”

    Very wise move. You started it, you keep the answer.
    The Commissioner hopes for an “interim solution and an interim price.”

    Yeah, that is, again, Russia must supply a loan and to the detriment of itself. Well are not fucked up?
    1. Ayujak
      Ayujak 27 August 2014 11: 27
      +5
      The idea to restore Donbass was put forward by Nazarbayev. Dear Nazarbayev N.A., if you had in mind the restoration of an independent Donbass, then I am for it! And if in Ukraine, are you not ashamed to support the Nazis, who themselves destroyed the Donbass ?! And where to get the money? I think for you personally it’s time to spit - you will not even notice a few billion from personal funds. And for Donbass it is a lot.
      1. Vend
        Vend 27 August 2014 11: 32
        +8
        Quote: AYUJAK
        The idea to restore Donbass was put forward by Nazarbayev. Dear Nazarbayev N.A., if you had in mind the restoration of an independent Donbass, then I am for it! And if in Ukraine, are you not ashamed to support the Nazis, who themselves destroyed the Donbass ?! And where to get the money? I think for you personally it’s time to spit - you will not even notice a few billion from personal funds. And for Donbass it is a lot.

        I agree. Russia will help restore New Russia, and let Donbass as part of Ukraine restore it themselves. After European integration, Ukraine will have a lot of money, it will be a billionaire country. Billions will be due. And the West will have to repay debts with interest.
        1. costa_cs
          costa_cs 27 August 2014 12: 18
          +1
          And what about
          Quote: Wend
          Donbass as a part of Ukraine
          will other people live? Not the same people living in Novorossia that you are ready to help?
          1. Vend
            Vend 27 August 2014 12: 39
            +8
            Quote: kosta_cs
            And what about
            Quote: Wend
            Donbass as a part of Ukraine
            will other people live? Not the same people living in Novorossia that you are ready to help?

            Others will be people. If not massive, then quiet demonization will begin. A few more years and nothing will be there. And once again, protection will not work. A totalitarian Nazi state will break everyone. So People in Novorossia have a chance to live, and people of Donbass and Lugansk as a part of Ukraine will not have such rights. Little chtoli Russia helped Ukraine 23 year? And what did you get in return, except for hatred?
        2. Squares
          Squares 27 August 2014 15: 42
          -2
          [quote = Wend] [quote = AYUJAK]
          I agree. Russia will help restore New Russia, and let Donbass as part of Ukraine restore it themselves. After European integration, Ukraine will have a lot of money, it will be a billionaire country. Billions will be due. And the West will have to repay debts with interest. [/ Quote]
          Novorossia will not need to be restored, but fully maintained, moreover, since nobody needs their coal, then we must make a competitor to our Rostov Region. And we will trade with them ourselves, to hell with him with the 2018 World Cup, it will not be up to him, it will be necessary to raise the whole region. Something like that.
          1. Vend
            Vend 27 August 2014 15: 58
            +3
            Quote: Squares

            Novorossia will not need to be restored, but fully maintained, moreover, since nobody needs their coal, then we must make a competitor to our Rostov Region. And we will trade with them ourselves, to hell with him with the 2018 World Cup, it will not be up to him, it will be necessary to raise the whole region. Something like that.

            Lift that first? The country after the Civil War, after the Great Patriotic War was raised. I am not an economist, but you can find different mechanisms to restore the region. Benefits for housing, benefits for the construction of production, but a lot of things. The main thing is that the Republic of Novorossia appears on the map.
      2. Cossack Ermak
        Cossack Ermak 27 August 2014 11: 56
        +5
        Quote: AYUJAK
        The idea to restore Donbass was put forward by Nazarbayev. Dear Nazarbayev N.A., if you had in mind the restoration of an independent Donbass, then I am for it! And if in Ukraine, are you not ashamed to support the Nazis, who themselves destroyed the Donbass ?! And where to get the money? I think for you personally it’s time to spit - you will not even notice a few billion from personal funds. And for Donbass it is a lot.

        Nazarbayev needs to restore order in his state. Prices are rising by leaps and bounds.
        1. AstanaKZ
          AstanaKZ 27 August 2014 19: 10
          +1
          Do not say they promise gasoline at 170tg! By the way, today I hired a refugee from Ukraine, it is from Nikolaev, Moses’s name! I'll ask about everything tomorrow.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 27 August 2014 20: 02
            +1
            He brought a woman with her daughter, also refugees from Donetsk. A woman studied in Soviet times in Tselinograd / Astana.

            As for Nazarbayev, they used to joke about the USSR that an alliance like Cupid is without pants, armed and offers love to everyone, now Kazakhstan is becoming the same, but not only without pants, but also without weapons.
  15. SVAROGE
    SVAROGE 27 August 2014 11: 06
    +8
    .... Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in a conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass ....))

    This is some kind of Jewish divorce ...!
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 27 August 2014 11: 27
      +4
      So the bloody Waltzman and weld on recovery do not mind.
  16. SVAROGE
    SVAROGE 27 August 2014 11: 08
    +3
    .... After 15 years, it turned out that Russia is not a drug addict, but a dealer dealer. And the West sits on the needle ...))

    This will sound more real!
  17. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 27 August 2014 11: 08
    +4
    Poroshenko turns around, as it were in a frying pan. And slowly begins to reach Europe what they have done and what awaits them.
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 August 2014 16: 17
      +4
      Quote: Grigorievich
      Poroshenko turns around, as it were in a frying pan. And slowly begins to reach Europe what they have done and what awaits them.

      The faces of Petit and the European Commissioners were like in the dock. Petya's hands were trembling, Katya in general, as the last fool lit up. Ours were smiling and self-confident.
  18. Hariva
    Hariva 27 August 2014 11: 08
    +2
    It is not the first time that Parashenka has mentioned a certain mythical "road map". It's been a long time since he made up / represents it, but still can't imagine it. I wonder what this is in his understanding?
  19. hrapon
    hrapon 27 August 2014 11: 10
    +1
    While the fluffy northern dog showed only the tip of the tail. And what will happen when she arrives in Ukraine and Europe as a whole?
  20. Baitly
    Baitly 27 August 2014 11: 10
    +2
    Cool video (there is a mat)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4JiRi08fgI&feature=player_detailpage
  21. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 27 August 2014 11: 10
    +15
    Poroshenko himself, as it turned out, was unable to settle anything.
    This "popularly elected" president has only one thing left: to hope that Western puppeteers, who recently learned through the UN how many people were killed and wounded in eastern Ukraine, and who have a heating Euro season on their nose, will give Kiev some more money ...

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/772/pgog162.jpg
  22. pensioner
    pensioner 27 August 2014 11: 11
    +16
    Thanks Oleg! hi

    After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...
    I have been arguing on this subject with my friend until they’ve been hoarse for a glass of tea for about 10 years. He says that we are sitting on a needle, I say the opposite. It seems like I'm winning laughing .
  23. Altona
    Altona 27 August 2014 11: 12
    +18
    Firstly, Putin, as always, came to the negotiations, having in his pocket almost a flash-piano and all his opponents from Kuev and Brussels were beeping something there ... The economy, energy in the pre-winter period are quite relevant things, especially for Europe ... he uttered the words at the end of the press conference - "WE HAVE NO LEVERS OF INFLUENCE ON THE HEALING" ... That's all ... The curtain ... wink
  24. ybrcfy27
    ybrcfy27 27 August 2014 11: 12
    +7
    Apparently Ukraine will soon be sawed
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 22
      +3
      as is customary among ukrov - "it was she who sawed herself into three parts"
  25. Eragon
    Eragon 27 August 2014 11: 13
    +21
    Summarizing all of the above:
    1. Still, we met and talked - it’s already useful and in itself not bad.
    2. We agreed that we can continue to talk - amazing performance.
    3. Poroshenko promised a "peace" plan - no comment.
    4. A vehicle without Ukraine will be bad, but a little bit, Ukraine without a vehicle will be very bad.

    TOTAL: talking about nothing. Of the good - see paragraph 1.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 27 August 2014 11: 38
      +8
      The fourth point as an option: Ukraine without a vehicle may not even exist at all, especially within its current borders.
    2. fif21
      fif21 27 August 2014 13: 35
      +7
      Quote: Eragon
      TOTAL: talking about nothing. Of the good - see paragraph 1.
      Parashe Putin read out the verdict of the Customs Union from which it follows that the economy of dill is sentenced to capital punishment. In the words of the CU, Nursultan Abishevich expressed his willingness to provide economic assistance in rebuilding New Russia after the end of the war, and its separation from Ukraine. Putin also admitted that Ukraine was in Europe because of which he parachuted and ran at night to Ashton, he needed liver. It seems dill jumped.
    3. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 August 2014 16: 23
      +5
      Quote: Eragon
      Summarizing all of the above:
      1. Still, we met and talked - it’s already useful and in itself not bad.
      2. We agreed that we can continue to talk - amazing performance.
      3. Poroshenko promised a "peace" plan - no comment.
      4. A vehicle without Ukraine will be bad, but a little bit, Ukraine without a vehicle will be very bad.

      TOTAL: talking about nothing. Of the good - see paragraph 1.

      +1

      Among other things, I would add the item 5. Namely:
      With numerous witnesses throughout the world, it became clear that there was nothing to talk with Poroshenko, that he was just a bleating sheep. That he himself cannot help but wag his tail. And of course, the fact that there were no representatives of America in Minsk is a very good slap in the face of the white house that would wake up after the holidays. Like, we are here in Europe and agree without bald.
      I think this was the main task of the information battle.

      And the fact that Petya ran to the embassy in a run .. well, you have to consult with phashington where to turn your ass further ...
      1. SOKOL777
        SOKOL777 27 August 2014 16: 55
        +4
        Quote: Al_lexx
        where to expand your ass ...


        There Obama with events in Iraq himself does not know where to turn the ass crying
  26. Lelek
    Lelek 27 August 2014 11: 14
    +8
    The talks in Minsk are essentially negotiations between Russia and the EU (although the EU is not free in my opinion because it has a strict directive from the overseas boss), and Poroshenko is only a puppet who should say "YES" when the EU speaks and say "NO" when Russia speaks out. In this case, the puppet should behave pompously strictly and indicatively independently. I am afraid that if any results of the negotiations are achieved, then the next day, by order from Brussels, they will be violated, and they will come up with a reason (for example, they will sink Kolomoisky's yacht in Odessa and say that the Russian nuclear submarine did it). bully
    1. Squares
      Squares 27 August 2014 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Lelek
      Negotiations in Minsk are essentially negotiations between Russia and the EU

      For a second, these "EU representatives" will soon be replaced by new ones, Ashton's powers are almost over. Why talk to them? They are still trying to mean something, which is why they came, but in fact they have nothing to do with it. And who really decides, it is Merkel, she came a couple of days before the summit to Poroshenko and the position of the EU was discussed there
      1. DV69
        DV69 27 August 2014 12: 07
        +6
        Quote: Squares
        Quote: Lelek
        Negotiations in Minsk are essentially negotiations between Russia and the EU

        For a second, these "EU representatives" will soon be replaced by new ones, Ashton's powers are almost over. Why talk to them? They are still trying to mean something, which is why they came, but in fact they have nothing to do with it. And who really decides, it is Merkel, she came a couple of days before the summit to Poroshenko and the position of the EU was discussed there


        Yes, power in the EU is changing and it will be necessary to talk with new people.
        And what about Merkel, but what does she decide? She, with her sanctions, decided that half of Europe is not sausage, and the other half is sitting and thinking how to disown these "decisive" actions by Merkel.
        So tell me, how did the sanctions (with the active participation of Merkel) against Russia influence our position on Ukraine?
  27. kush62
    kush62 27 August 2014 11: 14
    +8
    After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...


    How subtly and long we brought them to this needle.
    I can provide humanitarian assistance. About a dozen poplars tumbled down next to the summer cottage with a hurricane.
    Waiting for Oettinger for firewood. Carriage at the expense of the receiving party.
    1. Flexsus
      Flexsus 27 August 2014 23: 04
      +1
      Quote: kush62
      About a dozen poplars tumbled down next to the summer cottage with a hurricane.

      In our city, in the park, they make a playground, dozens of trees were planted around 4. poplar, birch, linden. they are in a nice bunch, from the end some joker attached a leaflet with the inscription, we sell 5 cubes for firewood, delivery is free. For residents of Ukraine, the price at the rate of the London Mercantile Exchange, pickup or for 10 rubles / km. Given the location of Udmurtia and Ukraine, the price goes gold.
  28. O. Bender
    O. Bender 27 August 2014 11: 15
    +4
    The conditions should be dictated by Novorossia. The troops are dill at least for the Dnieper. And there we can talk.
  29. Akvadra
    Akvadra 27 August 2014 11: 16
    +21
    Note - V. Putin spoke with Poroshenko. Not "a conversation took place", but just talking. I immediately recall the scene from the "twelve chairs", where O. Beder "talked" with Kisa after spending money.
  30. Triton
    Triton 27 August 2014 11: 16
    +5
    Quote: Squares
    Quote: volot-voin
    Ukraine needs to be squeezed to the end.

    After we "squeeze" which next country will we explain how to love the Motherland?))

    I think the Americans
  31. Zubrminsk
    Zubrminsk 27 August 2014 11: 17
    +5
    After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...

    Everyone is very dependent on each other and Russia on the EU and the EU on Russia ... To upset this circle of economic interaction is the main task of the parasitic United States and has benefited.
    1. Homo
      Homo 27 August 2014 11: 26
      0
      Quote: ZubrMinsk
      Everyone is very dependent on each other and Russia on the EU and the EU on Russia ... To upset this circle of economic interaction is the main task of the parasitic United States and has benefited.

      In more detail, what is Russia's "strong dependence" on the EU?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 27
        +2
        London is the home capital of the Russian oligarchy, and Cyprus is a bank
  32. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 27 August 2014 11: 18
    +4
    Quote: andrei332809
    Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in the conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass


    And to appoint the head of this fund, the most uninterested person in this matter, Petr Alekseevich Poroshenko, who has proved with his disinterested deeds his interest in the prosperity of the great and free-democratic country of Ukropia.
  33. waisson
    waisson 27 August 2014 11: 19
    +24
    ------------------ hi
    1. Love
      Love 28 August 2014 21: 09
      0
      Old Man knows! .. Old Man swam!)))
  34. Zubrminsk
    Zubrminsk 27 August 2014 11: 20
    +19
    And it was honest for me, as a Belarusan, to be a little disgusted to see Lukashenko flirting with Parashik ... Mot, he just doesn’t understand that Parashenko is a political corpse, but for now - a prostitute in the hands of the EU and the USA. negative
    1. kay4yk
      kay4yk 27 August 2014 11: 58
      +11
      Lukashenko plays the role of a peacemaker brother. I think that the Old Man does not like such a role
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 27 August 2014 12: 03
      +5
      This is brother, politics. Sometimes it is necessary, it can be compared with surgery - if there is an opportunity to treat, then they are treated, amputation is an extreme measure. It is necessary to somehow remove these cattle (I'm talking about all the zombotted maydaunov) from hard drinking with their hatred and anger.
    3. Gomel
      Gomel 27 August 2014 12: 03
      +12
      but I think that just the same he understands who is a corpse and who is a money bag ...
      watched a bunch of videos from Minsk, well, really, the three are cool. Nazarbayev looked at the pig with a soooo expression on his face ... the east is a delicate matter. The idea of ​​the TS is completely Nazarbayev's, and here is some kind of "h.i." chocolate spoils all raspberries for bears
      1. zzz
        zzz 27 August 2014 12: 17
        +1
        Quote: Gomel
        The idea of ​​the TS is completely Nazarbayev's, and here is some kind of "h.i." chocolate spoils all raspberries for bears
        laughing
    4. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 28
      +1
      Grigorich in the campaign for the Nobel Peace Prize
    5. Flexsus
      Flexsus 27 August 2014 23: 06
      +3
      He simply, as the receiving party, was obliged to do so according to the protocol.
  35. Normal
    Normal 27 August 2014 11: 23
    +4
    After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...

    Well, the author ruined everything with the last two sentences.
    Of course a drug addict (sitting on a needle) is very bad. But to be a dealer dealer ... somehow it’s not at all decent.
    Unsuccessful and inappropriate comparison.
    And so - a normal article.
  36. PalSanych
    PalSanych 27 August 2014 11: 23
    +5
    After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...

    Why !!!
  37. raketnik
    raketnik 27 August 2014 11: 23
    +4
    he found and smiled ----- Poroshenko remains face to face with the python who says to him “come to me banderlogs” and Poroshenko goes to him ... to Minsk.
  38. special
    special 27 August 2014 11: 25
    +6
    This not quite smart person by the name of Poroshenko has not yet understood that he cannot sit on 2 chairs? And the one in the middle, hollow from all sides? Well, the proposal to participate in the restoration of the Donbass infrastructure is the height of cynicism ... fool
    You yourself will recover, goat.on, with a weight on your hand and at the head of your fucking ukrovoyak and punishers ... am
    1. anfil
      anfil 27 August 2014 13: 20
      +2
      Vladimir Putin, as always, was pragmatic, and explained to Ukraine what it threatens to turn back to Russia. According to him, Ukraine will lose the market of the Customs Union, and in order to go to EU standards, Kiev will have to spend 165 billion euros over 10 years. In the meantime, Russia will abolish preferences for imports from Ukraine to Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, and as a result, Ukraine will suffer huge economic losses.


      When Putin warned of possible losses, Potroshenko replied: that these losses are ephemeral and literally - after this damage is recorded talk about it

      Do not prevent these losses, namely fix ... what
    2. Deripaska
      Deripaska 27 August 2014 17: 51
      +4
      His predecessor also tried to keep the seat on 2 chairs, the result is terrible, and this is not treated. This is a national trait.
  39. moody fin
    moody fin 27 August 2014 11: 26
    +16
    so I came back .... strange but again I didn’t even get hooked, I sit in front of my computer and look at different news sites .. in Poltava it’s raining ... quietly routine, but the tension is felt ... I noticed one thing, oddly enough, but the best peacekeeper is reconciling the death of the primitive ... was in Amvorsiivka, Krasniy Luch, Torez, Stepanovka ... helped to take refugees across the border, a lot of wounded and killed .. strange to the dying soldiers and stand and, on the other hand, facial expressions before death are surprised. ... weird ..
    1. Lukerya Weaver
      Lukerya Weaver 27 August 2014 11: 40
      +9
      Hooks later. And now your subconscious mind blocks feelings that there would be a breakdown. After such an experience, I fell asleep for a very long time only with a book in my hands and in the light.
    2. kay4yk
      kay4yk 27 August 2014 12: 33
      +2
      you, brother, need to write books
      1. moody fin
        moody fin 27 August 2014 13: 17
        +7
        and this thought ... you need to write about it .... the truth is a terrible thing ... and I must admit that the level of discussion on Russian sites is higher than on Ukrainian ... even with all kinds of emotional excesses ... it's all about education and common sense is felt ... probably that's why you are hated by Western businessmen ... it's hard to fool you ...
        1. Geo
          Geo 27 August 2014 20: 04
          +3
          I do not think that there are no sane people left in Ukraine. Simply, they are banned from the media and all comments are removed from the forums. As the GDP said "We are one people". Propaganda, false presentation of information and zambying does its own thing, there is no escape. That is why they prohibit the Russian media and block our Internet resources. It is necessary to break through the information blockade by all means, and then the war and the frenzy of "ukropatriotism" will end.
        2. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 28 August 2014 00: 47
          +2
          Quote: sullen fin
          on Russian sites at levels higher than on Ukrainian ... even with all kinds of emotional excesses ... you still feel education and common sense ... that is probably why you are hated by Western businessmen ... it's hard to fool you ...


          Russians have always been wise people. It's already in the genes.
          Here sometimes schoolchildren say very wise things.
          You won’t drink a thousand years of experience ...

          Take a walk "Vkontakte".
          There, the youth argues so that you wonder ...
          This is where our future is, our change! good
  40. shishakova
    shishakova 27 August 2014 11: 26
    +3
    Thanks, Author!
    Putin is true to himself. Poroshenko differs from Yanukovych only in that he is covered in people's blood.
    It is unlikely that he will last long ...
  41. kind
    kind 27 August 2014 11: 28
    +6
    After 15 years, it turned out that Russia was not a drug addict at all, but a dragdiler. And on the needle sits the West ...
    And the needle with a goatee, like a fishing hook! You just won’t get off! lol
  42. netwalker
    netwalker 27 August 2014 11: 30
    +5
    "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword" - Russian proverb
    "Who comes to us with what and why, that from this and that .." - M. Zadornov
    How relevant at the moment. smile
    1. anfil
      anfil 27 August 2014 13: 26
      +7
      "Who comes to us with what and why, that from this and that .." - M. Zadornov


      From Ukrainian sites:
      “No one to catch up with us in humor! The Verkhovna Rada proposed equating the DPR, LPR and all those who support them with terrorists! Finally, Ukraine will fall into the Guinness Book of Records: no one in the world has a terrorist organization of nearly 7 million people! ”
      M. Zadornov
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 33
        +2
        What if the Chinese Communist Party is declared a "terrorist" organization?
        1. Flexsus
          Flexsus 27 August 2014 23: 12
          0
          What is it like? The Communist Party of China will declare the Communist Party of China a Ter.organization?
  43. Diviz
    Diviz 27 August 2014 11: 31
    +2
    Before winter, cockroaches ran in. Chocolate cockroach scared of American slippers. We also need to introduce agents into the government of other countries. And wage an undercover war as in the movies.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 August 2014 12: 20
      +8
      Quote: DiViZ
      Before winter, cockroaches ran in.

      Merkel advised Ukraine to join the Eurasian Union and forget about the EU
      After a visit to Ukraine on August 23, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, in an interview with the German television channel ARD, said that Ukraine has the opportunity to make peace with Russia, considering the possibility of joining the Eurasian Economic Union.

      The head of the German government mentioned Ukrainian “decentralization”, an agreement on gas prices and “trade relations of Ukraine” with Russia as elements on which an agreement could be reached.

      “If Ukraine said that we were going to the Eurasian Union now, the EU would never have prevented this, but would have insisted on a voluntary decision,” Merkel noted.

      At the same time, the chancellor allowed herself to limit the scenarios of Ukraine’s actions. “The Ukrainian people, of course, should be able to choose their own path,” she said, adding that “Ukrainian actions should not harm Russia.”

      Ukraine after such statements was dumbfounded. Official Kiev did not respond to Merkel’s words. True, moving a little away from the post-European shock, some Ukrainian media outlets (in particular, the Inter TV channel, controlled by the organizer and sponsor Maidan Levochkin) per second listened to Merkel’s interview and stated that the statements of the German Chancellor simply ... were incorrectly translated.

      Yeah, well, as always - translation difficulties. In fact, it is not necessary to delve into the nuances of the translation, but is preparing for a new Maidan with the slogans "Ukraine - Central Eurasia" and "EU-Get from Ukraine".
      http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/253614-merkel-posovetovala-ukraine-vstupat-
      v-evraziyskiy-soyuz-i-zabyt-o-es.html
      [[[[[[[[[[
      By the way, Poroshenko's channel began to declare in return that Lyovochkin had begun work on returning the "bloody regime" and Yanukovych personally!
      1. HAM
        HAM 27 August 2014 14: 41
        +2
        “If Ukraine said that we were going to the Eurasian Union now, the EU would never have prevented this, but would insist on a voluntary decision, " - noted Merkel.


        "Insisted ..." - how's that? Like in Libya?
  44. MilesAth
    MilesAth 27 August 2014 11: 35
    +9
    Poroshenko put forward a curious idea: he invited Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan to participate in the conference on the creation of a donor fund for the restoration of Donbass

    Is he normal at all ?!
    What a conference ?! What donor fund ?!
    The restoration of Donbass should be carried out at the expense of the aggressor (Kiev) and at the expense of the customer of aggression (US).
    It's time to remember the terrible word for the aggressor country - reparations. There is no money in the treasury, so let those who plundered this treasury and the riches of Ukraine and who stand behind the latest events - Poroshenko, Kolomoisky and others like them throw off.
    Well, it’s not a sin to shell out patrons - they thought that they would throw cookies and that’s all, no responsibility!
  45. Number 17
    Number 17 27 August 2014 11: 35
    +9
    Poroshenko handsome ruined Donbass and Lugansk and help restore. Sell ​​your business and restore at your own expense in court will count. I would not discuss anything with him at all. First, a public apology to Novorossia on TV and then talk. And the most important recognition of Novorossia as a state.
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  47. HAM
    HAM 27 August 2014 11: 37
    +1
    There is no Ukraine URKAINA, Porshenko has all the actions and deeds of a petty prisoner who received a "pulling out", and who ran to complain to the "boss".
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 27 August 2014 13: 13
      +4
      Another option: UKRADINA. If only our debts would not forgive her! And about the "brotherhood" did not remember.
  48. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 27 August 2014 11: 41
    +3
    All these "negotiations" are only in order to once again show the world who is the real aggressor and murderer, and the main thing is that many in the EU have begun to "see" and understand what kind of adventure the States have dragged them into! Now about Parashenka's proposal to create a fund to restore Donbass: you have to be a very stupid person so as not to notice in this proposal an attempt to shift responsibility for the destruction of Donbass to Russia and the CU countries, and that we don’t need money to raise our economy-donut hole for you Peter the Ripper, not ours money! Europe froze with horror before the coming winter, especially its eastern part; saw, saw respected, otherwise you will freeze gas for everyone may not be enough (because of Naftogaz and the junta)!
  49. feel1990
    feel1990 27 August 2014 11: 44
    +1
    They didn’t come to anything sensible ... Vladimir Vladimirovich is great, you can see that he is a leader, an economic manager in the people's domains, defending the interests of the people of the country of Russia and the Customs Union, who also makes some "concessions" in relation to neighbors and Europe. Mr. Woltzman, as always, offers without action, let's say "where would I make money, where would I find money, so that an army can fight, go to war with the Russians" ... In general, is there any point in making such meetings if Vladimir Vladimirovich wants peace, order and help to a related state, and Pyotr Alekseevich is just the opposite what
  50. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 27 August 2014 11: 45
    +6
    Soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done ... As long as they create a negotiation commission, while they voice and conceptualize each other's requirements, the situation can change dramatically.
    Maybe it will not be necessary to agree with anyone else. Maybe the army of New Russia will already put forward an ultimatum to Kiev.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 27 August 2014 14: 38
      +4
      judging by the speed of Nazi draping from Mariupol, the process of ultimating Kiev may occur before the first snowfall