Rogozin announced a ban on the operation of GPS stations in Russia

13 May 2014 363

Deputy head of the Russian government, Dmitry Rogozin, announced the suspension of the operation of the stations of the American GPS satellite navigation system in Russia since 1 in June.

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prophet

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13 May 2014 18: 56

Quote: DerSamowar
Here I am personally with GPS, that without it - I’m a peasant guy, I’m used to using paper atlases. And the calculation of the time, how much I should stand in a traffic jam, 5 or 50 minutes - does not matter, the traffic jam from this will not resolve faster. So ... Success!

I support! Over the past few years I’ve gotten so excited several times that I always take the good old atlas with me
engin

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13 May 2014 18: 56

How much do we need a navigator? I said, “only to help.” If you rely on all the gadgets, it will be like in the Soviet cartoon about “I don’t want to.” And we will turn into Yusov’s “Unwanted” ones, weighing 150-200 kg, absolutely not adapted to survival... It’s sad...
theadenter

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13 May 2014 18: 59

What a news!
Privat

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13 May 2014 19: 01

Why are you making waves?
That is, whether to throw away iPhones with navigators or not is a business decision.
But at their work the decision is made WILL NOT HAVE ANY AFFECT.
Since they use a general civil GPS system with a guaranteed accuracy of determining coordinates up to 30 meters and working on signals FROM SATELLITES.
Ground stations are needed for much more precise determination of coordinates (tens of millimeters) and are used mainly for geodesy needs.
GPS ground stations have been installed on Russian territory, but the Americans do not allow similar GLONASS stations to be installed on their territory.
Hence this decision, absolutely symmetrical, so that the Americans are more accommodating.
1. Lars_xiii
  
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  13 May 2014 19: 44
  
  In general, everything is correct, only ground stations are used primarily to clarify satellite orbits and, accordingly, correct the signal. After the closure of ground stations in the Russian Federation, it will become a little more difficult and, accordingly, more expensive to make the necessary corrections to the signal. And civilian navigators will naturally work.
2. podpolkovnik
  
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  14 May 2014 10: 03
  
  Guys, do you often use navigators built into your phones?
  I've never used it like that at all.
  1. Nonik
    
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    14 May 2014 10: 30
    
    Quote: podpolkovnik
    Guys, do you often use navigators built into your phones? I’ve never used one at all.
    I have it, but it doesn't work properly
Free Island

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13 May 2014 19: 02

guys guys slow down :))) Zhopaes users on Russian territory will not suffer from this sanction))) I just don’t remember exactly 13 or 14 Zhopaes station located on Russian territory from June 1 will be turned off until the fall, and if until the fall the holders of the striped flag the mattresses don’t settle down, then from September the stations will be completely cut down and sold for scrap......I don’t know how it works...it seems like they use Zhopaes for free..but apparently the owners of Zhopaes in SeSheA will somehow suffer...in short then so
Manul49

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13 May 2014 19: 13

The answer is correct, symmetrical. Pros - they are already spent, but we didn’t. Nice.
And we'll see the results for ourselves soon.
For the sake of safety, you can refuse the convenience of running water and go to the pump,
but it will be necessary - we even know how to dig wells.
nik.tmn72

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13 May 2014 19: 14

All this was starting to get pretty boring. What We are doing today is NOTHING, just chatting, chatting and so on.
REAL actions are needed: he promised ... to shut off the gas supply in a month, which means the valve should be closed on May 16, and not from June 1; block the air route from Afghanistan for NATO through the Russian Federation; stop carrying them into space; about GLONAS a year ago it was clear - the Americans are against the installation of our stations on their territory and, most importantly, it is LONG time to help the militias with Russian-made dry shares, for one thing they can taste what “they” taste like.
Why isn’t all this and much more put into action? THINK!!!
Oprychnik

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13 May 2014 19: 16

Strong move! A balabol, not a balabol, and not so much a consequence as a fact! The answer is asymmetrical, in some ways even unexpected. I don’t think that JPS will stop functioning in Russia. The resolution will likely be reduced. However, I'm not an expert. Let them calculate the consequences. However, it's beautiful!
1. Oprychnik
  
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  13 May 2014 19: 29
  
  By the way, in unfavorable circumstances they would have turned off these stations themselves.
  I hope we haven’t forgotten our terrain navigation skills without a global positioning system...)))
  1. Buran
    
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    13 May 2014 19: 36
    
    By the moss on the trees
  2. clidon
    
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    13 May 2014 20: 12
    
    Civilian Russian users (especially those working in cities) will suffer from the shutdown of stations. Because the Pentagon does not expect that on foreign territory it will be allowed to correct the signal during a war.
    1. Oprychnik
      
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      13 May 2014 20: 36
      
      Didn't understand! Will they suffer in Russia? You? Throw your JPS navigator in the trash! You will still have to use the ancient Atlas of our roads!)))
      1. clidon
        
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        13 May 2014 20: 47
        
        Of course they will suffer, I’m not going to throw away my navigator, which works without problems, and scour the city with a worn-out map on my knee. And Glonass is still such a glitch.
        Therefore, all the kvass and hurray, Rogozin and his company are slurping their way, but until they have made a normal system, let them not touch what works.
        
        user1212
        
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        14 May 2014 04: 10
        
        Quote: clidon
        Civilian Russian users will suffer from station shutdowns
        
        And what will it be expressed in?
        Quote: clidon
        And Glonass is still such a glitch.
        
        Did not notice
        Quote: clidon
        and until they have made a normal system, let them not touch what works.
        
        Why are you not satisfied with GLONASS?
        
        clidon
        
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        14 May 2014 06: 32
        
        And what will it be expressed in?
        
        The reason is that the positioning accuracy will decrease. And even more so in cities.
        
        Did not notice
        
        Over the past quarter, they were officially out of action twice. And do you know how they made excuses? “Why are you worried, there is GPS.”
        
        Why are you not satisfied with GLONASS?
        
        Because 80% of users do not have it. Because it can simply fail and no one will bear any responsibility. Well, it broke and broke. I'm not even talking about the lower accuracy, which everyone is threatening to correct, but everything is like this...
        
        user1212
        
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        15 May 2014 03: 56
        
        Quote: clidon
        The reason is that the positioning accuracy will decrease. And even more so in cities.
        
        It won't go down. This has been written about more than once. The ground is needed for a military signal with increased accuracy. The civilian signal doesn't care
        Quote: clidon
        Over the past quarter, they were officially out of action twice. And do you know how they made excuses? “Why are you worried, there is GPS.”
        
        Just like the GPS glitches in Ukraine at the end of April. Somehow synchronized...
        http://www.vz.ru/society/2014/4/29/684508.html
        Quote: clidon
        I'm not even talking about the lower accuracy, which everyone is threatening to correct, but everything is like this...
        
        The accuracy of the civilian signal is approximately the same.
        Quote: clidon
        Because 80% of users do not have it
        
        Are you not allowed into stores? Or is 2000 rubles for a new dual-system navigator too much?
        
        clidon
        
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        15 May 2014 20: 56
        
        It won't go down. This has been written about more than once.
        
        Say “Halva” even a hundred times and it won’t make your mouth taste any better. Correction stations specifically for civilian signals and increasing accuracy to 2 meters. This is written in all serious sources.
        The military uses them less due to their limited applicability over long distances (the maximum correction range is 2 thousand kilometers). Setting up a station near your opponent in order to hit him, as I already wrote above, is the nonsense of an inflamed patriotic brain. And it doesn’t matter whose, ours or American’s.
        
        Just like the GPS glitches in Ukraine at the end of April. Somehow synchronized...
        
        Those glitches are mysterious. And perhaps only an echo of the information war. At least I have no complaints about GPS over the last 10 years. Our systems fall off simply because “it happened that way.” And not in Ukraine but all over the world.
        
        Are you not allowed into stores? Or is 2000 rubles for a new dual-system navigator too much?
        
        Send me 2000 rubles. I'll give you the number.
    2. Oprychnik
      
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      13 May 2014 20: 40
      
      Or go broke on GLONASS! Or are you not a patriot???
      1. clidon
        
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        13 May 2014 20: 57
        
        Or maybe we’ll turn off the Internet and throw out American processors. Let's start some kind of patriotic swing. Otherwise they are using the enemy’s inventions and supporting Intel and AMD. And you will read newspapers with a TV. They'll tell you everything there.
        
        Oprychnik
        
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        13 May 2014 22: 49
        
        To be honest, I was already thinking about your proposal... It's not about the manufacturer. It's about us. Instead of raising children (by the way, all three of them grew up with me), we are engaged in, sorry, (I will allow myself a harsh expression), kuneyoy! The needles here on the site represent only additional entertainment for me, a certain amount of necessary adrenaline! WELL, THIS DOESN'T DISTURB ME! I believe that we are still quite a passionate people, as Lev Nikolaevich Gumilyov said!
        
        clidon
        
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        14 May 2014 06: 33
        
        Well then, God help you with your passion for a couple. But you shouldn’t drag the rest along with you.
        
        podpolkovnik
        
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        14 May 2014 10: 05
        
        Quote: clidon
        Or maybe we’ll turn off the Internet and throw out American processors. Let's start some kind of patriotic swing. Otherwise they are using the enemy’s inventions and supporting Intel and AMD. And you will read newspapers with a TV. They'll tell you everything there.
        
        Our Elbrus will be finished - I’ll move on immediately!
        
        clidon
        
        0
        
        14 May 2014 10: 31
        
        It has been finished off (for about 10 years now) not for civilian use. Because he is not a competitor to anyone in the market.
        
        Nonik
        
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        14 May 2014 10: 35
        
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Our Elbrus will be finished - I’ll move on immediately!
        The developers were almost completely bought up by Intel, there was news for a long time, about 10 years ago. By the way, I prefer AMD
        I don’t even know what kind of 4-core processors are produced in Russia now.
MAKSAK

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13 May 2014 19: 20

I THINK THIS IS THE CORRECT DECISION, IT WAS HIGH TIME TO DO THIS WAY! OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A ONE GOAL GAME.
Goha

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13 May 2014 19: 26

Ours, as always, take a long time to harness. It's high time to respond.
pensioner

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13 May 2014 19: 41

I also want to become famous in the field of sanctions that can be imposed on America. I propose to start a company under the motto: “No to Hollywood!” To encourage the population not to go to American-made films. Distributors are strongly recommended to increase ticket prices for American-produced films by 5 times (to ban them is somehow undemocratic...), and so on. The same can be done with American films on TV. For example, under the sauce that these films are overloaded with scenes of violence and promotion of an unhealthy lifestyle, etc. It seems to me that this will be an effective measure...
1. Oprychnik
  
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  13 May 2014 20: 05
  
  Yes! Many people really need this! For example, I turn off Hollywood, Bollywood, and even our serial production with disgust. I watch news, reviews, TV channel "Culture", My Planet, sometimes History. My nerves can't stand everything else! BUT! Some people think it's beautiful, like a woman with a beard!
  I haven’t seen anyone in Russia who liked it! Maybe I'm hanging out in the wrong circles? I doubt...
2. clidon
  
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  13 May 2014 20: 13
  
  Do you want the death of domestic distributors?
  1. pensioner
    
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    13 May 2014 20: 22
    
    Quote: clidon
    Do you want the death of domestic distributors?
    
    To be honest, yes...
    1. clidon
      
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      13 May 2014 20: 28
      
      Oh... So you are in favor of cinemas closing? But I do not want. Although it’s rare, I go, and the children do it more often. I won’t even talk about the loss of state finances.
      1. pensioner
        
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        13 May 2014 20: 57
        
        Quote: clidon
        So you are in favor of cinemas closing?
        
        Well, why do this right away...I want the current breed of distributors, 90% focused on Hollywood, to die out.
        I don’t believe that it is impossible to acquire enough non-American film products of decent quality in the world. I don’t know how things are there now, but there used to be wonderful Hungarian and French cinema. There are a lot of good films being made in Asia now. And in America there are small film companies that make decent, meaningful films without special effects. You just need to work in this direction, and not go with the flow. Well, our cinema needs to be revived. To teach the viewer to think again while watching films, and not to laugh stupidly at moronic jokes and not to evaluate the quality of films by the set of special effects and the number of shots fired per unit of time.
        
        clidon
        
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        13 May 2014 21: 14
        
        You understand that wonderful “non-box office” people will go see a great non-box office movie. Of which there are few (well, really, you can force schoolchildren in and give out more tickets to pensioners for pennies, as was the case with some domestically produced films) and which simply will not feed the distributors. Educating... this is very good in words, but so far educational products of domestic production, even in me, rather cause a sad smile. This is just a bad copy of American paintings with filling.
        It's like the Internet, no one likes it, but you can't pull it off by the ears. But it’s so great, as I already suggested above, to wipe the noses of the Americans and ban the Internet. People will then return to the good old books and magazines? Both cell phones and social networks are all their vile inventions. ) I’m afraid that they won’t understand you - everything is changing, so little can be solved with bans. But it’s easy to cause hatred.
        
        pensioner
        
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        13 May 2014 22: 34
        
        Quote: clidon
        I'm afraid they won't understand you
        
        Nothing, nothing. The main thing is to start...At least with a children's movie. We need to work for the future...
        
        clidon
        
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        14 May 2014 06: 34
        
        What do the bans have to do with it then? So start with children's movies.
        
        Oprychnik
        
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        14 May 2014 00: 22
        
        Italian cinema was magnificent. French too. There are examples from English as well. Let's not deny the achievements of the Americans, it won't work. But in spirit we are closer to European.
        
        clidon
        
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        14 May 2014 06: 35
        
        There are a lot of great things, but people will go for what interests them. And as practice shows, even in the Soviet years, these are not highly spiritual films about production. And something like “Fantômas”, “White Sun of the Desert”, and “Save the Concorde”.
  2. Oprychnik
    
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    14 May 2014 00: 06
    
    Individual manufacturers
    this, so-called products would not hesitate to simply bring them to trial. Example: the vile, boorish epic “Happy Together”, the crazy guide to rudeness “Voronin”, I angrily mention “DOM2”, which has been going to be closed for THREE years, but will not be closed! And there are MANY such examples!
    1. clidon
      
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      14 May 2014 06: 38
      
      It’s difficult for me to judge “The Voronins” and “Happy Together”; I haven’t watched them and don’t watch them. However, I know people who watch it after work to relax. And I’m afraid they won’t accept another intellectual adventure for relaxation. Women need soap operas, people need TV series. As practice shows, both stupid and very smart. Work on their quality, why focus everything on the lame “I don’t like this, it should be banned!”
3. studentmati
  
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  13 May 2014 23: 08
  
  Yura, good night!
  
  Quote: retired
  I propose to start a company under the motto: “No to Hollywood!”, and so on. The same can be done with American films on TV. It seems to me that this will be an effective measure...
  
  The measures are good and useful, but it is necessary to start with the upbringing and education of the younger generation not according to their textbooks, but at least according to Russian primary sources: History of the Fatherland, patriotism, respect for elders, basic literacy,... And with a good upbringing, all the Hollywood dust will only increase disgust for Amer’s way of life.
4. podpolkovnik
  
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  14 May 2014 10: 10
  
  Quote: retired
  I also want to become famous in the field of sanctions that can be imposed on America. I propose to start a company under the motto: “No to Hollywood!” To encourage the population not to go to American-made films. Distributors are strongly recommended to increase ticket prices for American-produced films by 5 times (to ban them is somehow undemocratic...), and so on. The same can be done with American films on TV. For example, under the sauce that these films are overloaded with scenes of violence and promotion of an unhealthy lifestyle, etc. It seems to me that this will be an effective measure...
  
  I think that they are overloaded, first of all, with pictures of mattress flags.
  Whatever you spit, but in 70 - 80% of films there is a lot of action against the backdrop of a starry striped rag!
  You shouldn’t give up on all films, but so-called propaganda films. pseudo-democratic values, the cult of violence, their pseudo-superiority - should be rejected first of all!
  1. Nonik
    
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    14 May 2014 10: 38
    
    Quote: podpolkovnik
    You shouldn’t give up on all films, but so-called propaganda films. pseudo-democratic values, the cult of violence, their pseudo-superiority - should be rejected first of all!
    
    There are satirical films, Iron Sky for example. Beneath the guise of a silly blockbuster is a very thoughtful film.
sv68

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13 May 2014 19: 43

sanctions are a delicate and double-edged matter - we were pricked and received a strong injection in response - we can live without GPS, but the prestige of Russia from the fact that we hold our own will only rise
Timur88

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13 May 2014 19: 43

Well done! This is a blow below the belt, in astronautics they are very dependent on us, let's see how they start talking now!!!
dimdimich71

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13 May 2014 19: 44

Yes... Problems will begin for the mercenaries in Ukraine, won't Susanin be needed?..
Selevc

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13 May 2014 19: 48

It seems to me that Russia has a worthy response to Western sanctions - just speak openly to the whole world the TRUTH about America and the EU... Otherwise, they promote themselves too often and too much and you start digging - and the reality is completely different... But you need to speak loudly - so that the whole world can hear...
Starting from the life of ordinary people in the EU countries - especially in the countries of the former socialist bloc... And ending with the TRUTH about the American way of life and American goods and products...
It's time for the whole world to open their eyes to what they are being stuffed with at McDonald's!!! Damn, this isn’t even food, it’s just some kind of plastic... Simple and concise - the chemical composition and ingredients... It’s time to show the whole world the American herd of ordinary people, obese from chemistry...
And the main thing is to say that the rich in America do not eat this poison!!!
And even if America takes offense at this and, in retaliation, bans Russia from watching Hollywood films, this will be a terrible blow... There will be no one else to feed us with selected goblin scum and make us laugh with stupid horror films... But we won’t be particularly offended - for too many, their narrow-minded creativity is already in the throat and only causes nausea and vomiting...
1. Bayonet
  
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  13 May 2014 20: 12
  
  And it should be called “American Truth”! Just “Pravda”, “Komsomolskaya Pravda”, “Pionerskaya Pravda” - we already have it, and there will be an American one! So to speak, there is something for everyone.
clidon

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13 May 2014 19: 56

I think he's habitually babbling. Who will get hurt? Builders who use tethering when constructing high-rise buildings - high accuracy is needed there; signal reception for all sorts of aircraft and ships will be somewhat worse. Ordinary city citizens will lose the most, plus collectors and other GPS users, especially those who value a high degree of accuracy. In general, it is not the Americans who will suffer, but rather us.
However, Rogozin already lets out a sluggish answer:
Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin believes that the suspension of the activities of GPS stations in Russia from June 1 will not affect the quality of the signal.
“The suspension of the activities of GPS stations on the territory of the Russian Federation from June 1 will not affect the quality of the signal received by Russian users,” he wrote on his microblog on Twitter.

In general, this is just a political attempt to bite the Americans, at least somehow.
1. Rost_a
  
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  13 May 2014 20: 39
  
  Are there more scientifically sound arguments? Interesting about ordinary citizens in big cities.
  It is clear that surveyors will lose temporarily - this will give impetus to the development of GLONASS equipment in this direction. IMHO.
  Also, preparations for this step began a long time ago - already in 2010, with the introduction of duties and mandatory installation...
  1. clidon
    
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    13 May 2014 20: 50
    
    The stations work as correctors and amplifiers. That is, first of all, those who sit in the building will not see the signal. GLONASS is unclear when it will work normally, only officially there was a glitch and twice more. I say this as a user of a dual-system device. It will work worse in terrain. What’s funny is that Americans won’t feel any problem from the shutdown at all.
    1. user1212
      
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      14 May 2014 04: 47
      
      Quote: clidon
      Stations work as correctors and amplifiers
      
      What other amplifiers? They don't enhance anything.
      Quote: clidon
      That is, first of all, those who sit in the building will not see the signal
      
      see above. The operation of ground stations does not affect the signal level in any way.
      Quote: clidon
      I say this as a user of a dual-system device.
      
      Why suddenly? It will work worse regardless of the terrain, but it will have virtually no effect on the civilian signal. Not the same accuracy
      Quote: clidon
      Builders who use tethering when constructing high-rise buildings
      
      The accuracy of the civilian signal is not sufficient for such bindings
      Quote: clidon
      Signal reception will be slightly worse for all aircraft and ships
      
      Not significant. A civilian signal is used there.
      
      The shutdown of ground stations will only affect the high-precision military signal, which is used only by NATO troops and intelligence agencies. And even that will not be critical for most tasks.
      
      They don’t want to install our stations on their territory, so why should we keep their stations? The only question is the reciprocity of the installation of stations
      1. clidon
        
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        14 May 2014 06: 58
        
        user1212
        It’s good even if they don’t enhance it, but they correct it accurately. Which also affects the quality of positioning in cities, where you have to navigate using fewer satellites.
        
        Why suddenly? It will work worse regardless of the terrain, but it will have virtually no effect on the civilian signal. Not the same accuracy
        
        The civilian signal is as accurate as the military one.
        
        The accuracy of the civilian signal is not sufficient for such bindings
        
        You are 14-15 years behind in your knowledge
        
        Not significant. A civilian signal is used there.
        
        The civil signal is also highly accurate and stations are made primarily to provide even better navigation performance. The military has virtually no need for these stations. In the event of a war with us, we will turn them off in a matter of minutes or hours, and the correction range (2 km maximum) will not be enough for other countries.
        
        They don’t want to install our stations on their territory, so why should we keep their stations? The only question is the reciprocity of the installation of stations
        
        Until we have perfected our own system, there is no need to break a working one. This is the golden rule. Moreover, in the USA practically no one uses Glonass at all. All this is nothing more than rotten political squabbles.
        
        user1212
        
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        15 May 2014 05: 08
        
        Quote: clidon
        The civilian signal is as accurate as the military one.
        
        The shutdown of SA in 2000 improved accuracy but did not equalize military and civilian signals.
        Quote: clidon
        The military has virtually no need for these stations. In the event of a war with us, we will turn them off in a matter of minutes or hours, and the correction range (2 km maximum) will not be enough for other countries.
        
        You are confusing two different types of ground stations. Google to the rescue
        Quote: clidon
        You are 14-15 years behind in your knowledge
        
        I doubt it
        
        clidon
        
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        15 May 2014 13: 54
        
        The shutdown of SA in 2000 improved accuracy but did not equalize military and civilian signals.
        
        Equated. Determination accuracy up to 1 meter with adjustment.
        
        You are confusing two different types of ground stations. Google to the rescue
        
        That is, we have some stations that we cannot turn off? Google doesn't know any of this.
        
        I doubt it
        
        Judging by your statements, this is true.
        
        user1212
        
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        15 May 2014 16: 28
        
        Quote: clidon
        Google doesn't know any of this.
        
        I'll give you a tip. What you are writing about is called DGPS. No one is going to turn them off. IGS is going to be disabled. This will not affect the accuracy or strength of the civilian GPS satellite signal in ANY WAY.
        Quote: clidon
        Judging by your statements, this is true.
        
        Judging by yours, not only do you not understand the issue, but you also don’t know how to use Google
        
        clidon
        
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        15 May 2014 21: 07
        
        I'll give you a tip. What you are writing about is called DGPS. No one is going to turn them off.
        
        Oh well - that is, Rogozin, when he talked about shutting down corrective GPS stations did not mean at all corrective stations. ) It is GDGPS that will be turned off.
        
        Judging by yours, not only do you not understand the issue, but you also don’t know how to use Google
        
        Where should I go? )
federal

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13 May 2014 20: 04

That's right, you'll take aim at us!!!
valentina-makanalina

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13 May 2014 20: 05

The ban on GPS on Russian territory is primarily a blow to the Pentagon and NATO. Correct solution. Let them walk with laza or at best with a compass.
1. clidon
  
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  13 May 2014 20: 06
  
  How will this hit the Pentagon and NATO? They have not used these stations and will not use them.
Bayonet

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13 May 2014 20: 08

Interestingly, Mr. Rogozin knows that in the digital television system (which is now actively developing) GPS is used to synchronize television transmitters? In large cities, equipment is mainly from Germany, France, the USA - Rohde & Schwarz, Thomson, Harris.
sergeschern

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13 May 2014 20: 08

I'm wondering when will these exiles stop being called "partners"?
Aleksandr89

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13 May 2014 20: 29

We finally got it!
gandalf

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13 May 2014 20: 43

Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov sees no reason to suspend the operation of American GPS stations in Russia.

“I myself read about it and, frankly, was a little surprised at such statements. This can be done technically, but why do it? ”RIA Novosti quoted Manturov as saying.

According to the minister, the global positioning system is convenient for users, including Russian ones. “This is an opportunity to duplicate the satellite (GLONASS). What if some satellite doesn’t work, then GPS will work,” Manturov explained.

Does anyone still have doubts about the presence of a 5th column in the government?
1. clidon
  
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  13 May 2014 20: 51
  
  I still have doubts that there are any sober-minded people in the government. It looks like there are only Rogozins with journalistic credentials. Stifling your own people in order to punish the Americans is completely inappropriate.
  Here's what the experts think:
  Experts interviewed by Interfax questioned the words of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin that the suspension of the activities of GPS stations in Russia will not affect the quality of the signal of this navigation system.
  An Interfax source in one of the Big Three cellular operators believes that the shutdown of the ground-based GPS infrastructure should not affect the work of cellular operators, which have long been duplicating their services, for example, transport monitoring, with two systems - GPS and GLONASS, and in addition In addition, they carry out positioning using cellular base stations.
  At the same time, for users, turning off ground-based GPS services will mean a loss of positioning accuracy, although direct communication between devices and GPS satellites will remain, the agency’s interlocutor said. The Big Three operators declined to make official comments on this matter.
  In turn, the head of the analytical agency TelecomDaily Denis Kuskov believes that the error in positioning in such conditions can reach a kilometer. According to his estimates, more than 80% of navigators used in Russia and most smartphones are equipped with GPS chips, while devices with GLONASS-GPS began to be sold en masse in Russia only about a year ago.
  Kuskov believes that turning off the ground segment of GPS will not cause problems only for government agencies, since they are already equipped with GLONASS devices.
  An Interfax source in one of the companies providing geopositioning services said that if the ground segment of GPS is turned off, all consumer services based on geolocation will be disrupted. According to the agency's interlocutor, GLONASS is unlikely to be able to 100% replace GPS in a short time.
  On Tuesday, Rogozin told reporters that Russia will suspend the operation of American GPS stations located in the Russian Federation from June 1 if it does not reach an agreement on the placement of GLONASS ground stations in the United States. At the same time, he later assured that these measures would not affect the quality of the signal received by Russian users.
  American GPS stations are located on Russian territory under an agreement between 1993 and 2011. According to Rogozin, in total, in accordance with these agreements, Russia has 11 GPS infrastructure stations in ten regions.
  
  That is, 80% of navigation system users will be affected.
  1. nerd.su
    
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    14 May 2014 10: 33
    
    Quote: clidon
    Stifling your own people in order to punish the Americans is completely inappropriate.
    Here's what the experts think:
    
    Based on the comments above, it is clear that you have an idea about the system and its operation. Why then do you refer to the Big Three experts? They don’t understand anything about navigation, how else can they explain that some “experts” talk about a slight decrease in accuracy, while others talk about an almost kilometer-long error?
    Will 80% of navigation system users be affected? Do you think all owners of phones and smartphones use navigation? This is far from true. And then, it is not profitable for the Americans to completely lose our market. I think GPS can maintain accuracy up to 50 m even without ground stations. And this is enough for most users, especially smartphones. Surveyors will suffer. And even then not much, no one has yet forgotten how to use electronic tacheometers. Again, the busyness will increase, someone will have to run around with the weights. A trifle, but nice
    Quote: clidon
    Until we have perfected our own system, there is no need to break a working one. This is the golden rule. Moreover, in the USA practically no one uses Glonass at all. All this is nothing more than rotten political squabbles.
    
    We'll survive one summer. And then either the stations will be decided upon, or the software will be improved to the required accuracy without ground stations. So, whatever one may say, closing our GPS stations is the right decision. Now the main thing is that the negotiators do not let us down.
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      14 May 2014 11: 33
      
      How else can we explain that some “experts” talk about a slight decrease in accuracy, while others talk about an error of almost a kilometer?
      
      The accuracy of the system in ideal conditions without correction stations is known - 12-16 meters. But in the conditions of buildings and terrain, it decreases sharply - the navigator sees few satellites, and accordingly it can drop by an order of magnitude and sometimes more, although to be honest, a kilometer “inaccuracy” will only be in two cases - if the satellites cannot determine the range for some reason (intermittent signal) and the device will provide navigation using the notorious A-GPS (that is, from cell towers) and the second option is the circumpolar regions, where GPS itself produces quite large errors.
      As for Russian users, this will be felt first of all by people in big cities (where we have stations), and precisely by those who use navigation systems. And these are not only phone users (although they are the same).
      There is no “GPS market”; no one in their right mind would stop making dual-system devices, and the US government simply does not have any income from their production. First of all, we need the stations, so the government’s decision is nothing more than a way to force people onto GLONASS with a stick. Which is still raw, but “bear with it.” I don’t like the stick, but apparently many people here are simply delighted with it.
      
      We'll survive one summer.
      
      We'll survive as long as we can. Moreover, in fact, the voice of those who actually suffered (builders, etc.) simply will not be heard. "Buy GLONASS and that's it." Of course at your own expense. Oh, the equipment is expensive, well, you’ll lose nothing... Oh, 80% don’t have this Glonass - spend your money, we need to pick a fight with the USA. We don't have enough teeth, so we're looking for at least something...
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        14 May 2014 23: 24
        
        Quote: clidon
        As for Russian users, this will be felt first of all by people in big cities (where we have stations), and precisely by those who use navigation systems. And these are not only phone users (although they are the same).
        
        Phone users will not feel anything, because for them it is not critical that their position is determined with an error of 2 or 20 m. They certainly move around the apartment without a navigator. And professional users, “builders” as we called them, will feel some inconvenience from the increase in time required to carry out measurements. In extreme cases, this drawback will be overcome by improving the technology for determining the coordinates of the receiver. If they do not agree on the resumption of operation of the stations.
        
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        There is no “GPS market”; no one in their right mind would stop making dual-system devices, and the US government simply does not have any income from their production.
        
        Firstly, “GPS market” is your words, I didn’t say that. Speaking about our market, I meant the Russian market of navigation services, geographic information systems, etc., including various equipment and software. Secondly, it’s strange to hear about the fact that the US government has no income from GPS. The government is financed from the budget, and the budget is filled by taxpayers. Including such as Trimble, Garmin and others. This does not include the fact that these companies create jobs.
        Quote: clidon
        First of all, we need the stations, so the government’s decision is nothing more than a way to force people onto GLONASS with a stick.
        
        This is straight up a conspiracy theory Or something Freudian, about a stick after all.
        I have a simple Garmin, I have used it and will continue to use it, I don’t care about ground stations. Although, if there were similar Glonass navigators, I would buy it. And turning off GPS stations again would have nothing to do with this.
        “Builders” will not be told to buy Glonass, because there is no such equipment.
        
        And we have quite a few teeth. It’s just that the teeth also suffer when bitten. So they choose those who will suffer the least. You can ban the sale of titanium to America, Boeing will be in such a cramp that it won’t seem enough. Well, VSMPO-AVMSA will fold. So closing GPS ground stations in Russia is a fair, symmetrical measure. And not at all a corral for GLONASS.
        
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        Phone users will not feel anything, because for them it is not critical that their position is determined with an error of 2 or 20 m.
        
        What if 200-300 meters in conditions of an unstable signal without correction?
        Builders, as I was told, without correction, can “accumulate accuracy in an hour or so.” There are cheap dual-system geodetic systems only for correction (with decimeter accuracy).
        
        The government is financed from the budget, and the budget is filled by taxpayers. Including such as Trimble, Garmin and others. This does not include the fact that these companies create jobs.
        
        That is, do you suspect that if stations are turned off in Russia, these companies will urgently rush to produce “clean” GLONASS systems? )
        
        This is straight up a conspiracy theory
        
        Completeness. This is our normal practice.
        
        “Builders” will not be told to buy Glonass, because there is no such equipment.
        
        Well, that's how it will be. We'll do it, but for now, use the theodolite.
        
        PS In general, it’s even funny to me - a lot of money has been invested in these stations and stationary satellites, but everyone repeats Rogozin’s “no one will notice anything” like parrots. ) And it seems that they themselves already believe in it. Maybe we should ask him why we are installing similar Glonass stations if, in principle, practically no one needs them.
        
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        15 May 2014 17: 12
        
        Quote: clidon
        What if 200-300 meters in conditions of an unstable signal without correction?
        
        I certainly don't know enough about satellite navigation to calculate the possible loss of accuracy. But, taking into account the existing knowledge and little experience, I believe that an error of 200-300 m is possible only in the case of deliberate roughening of the signal. Of course, I had cases when, sitting by the fire with a mug of tea, in fact, on the navigator I was “moving” at the speed of a jetliner... But this was most likely a glitch in the navigator program or a network failure. More than once I witnessed the agony of surveyors when geodetic receivers did not correspond to the declared characteristics, sometimes by tens or hundreds of meters, but in the end it always turned out that this was due to unmastered technology. By the way, the accuracy of geodetic receivers during long-term measurements with a base (an additional receiver installed at a point with known coordinates) reaches several mm, and in general in geodesy the errors are in the first tens of mm, so this is much more than decimeter accuracy.
        
        Quote: clidon
        That is, do you suspect that if stations are turned off in Russia, these companies will urgently rush to produce “clean” GLONASS systems? )
        
        No, I believe that these companies will begin to pressure their government to seek consensus on the station issue. If consensus does not happen, they will have to solve the issue technologically. On the other hand, this is already a settled issue. As I already said, the role of a ground base for a specific user is played by a receiver installed at a point with known coordinates.
        
        Quote: clidon
        Well, that's how it will be. We'll do it, but for now, use the theodolite.
        
        Will not be. This is a lot of work that needs to be done, the government will be too lazy. It’s easier to put Rogozin’s words back in September than to organize the production of navigation equipment of all types based on GLONASS. Here we need Stalin. Now only students of non-geodetic specialties use theodolite in practice, probably... And very orthodox working pensioners
        
        PS And the money is not going anywhere. Many stations have worked and will continue to work, but they will not pass on information to foreign colleagues. It is the Russian Academy of Sciences and some other government agency that is in charge, but the question turns out to be complex. if you dig deeper.
        We need stations. I just don’t understand why their stations should work for us, while ours can’t work for them? Yes, the issue could not have been emphasized, but this is a personal insult of an official who was not taken seriously. But this is a completely adequate measure. Personally, I am generally a supporter of the principle “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.” And I don’t understand why Bout and Yaroshenko are sitting in the USA, and none of the shobbly Yusov citizens who want to provide military assistance to Ukraine are sitting in the Russian Federation. And so on.
        
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        15 May 2014 21: 27
        
        I certainly don't know enough about satellite navigation to calculate the possible loss of accuracy.
        
        Yes, you walk through the mountains and you will see how the signal jumps. Without any "intentional coarsening". I went through the forests and then there were a couple of satellites and the signal kept jumping. Not on one receiver.
        
        No, I believe that these companies will begin to pressure their government in search of consensus on the issue of stations
        
        I think that by and large they won’t care. Russia is by no means a market for which you need to shed blood and snot in the field of navigators. They will simply produce dual-system units and forget about the problem the very next day.
        
        This is a lot of work that needs to be done, the government will be too lazy.
        
        Are you sure you live in Russia? We have a strong-willed decision, which citizens must then sort out. Did not work out? Okay, okay, let’s cancel it and scold ourselves if anyone dies.
        
        We need stations. I just don’t understand why their stations should work for us, while ours can’t work for them?
        
        Because their GPS (the name has become a household name) is the Great System, which every dog has in the gateway, and GLONASS is a newcomer who timidly knocks on the door. And which, when we bring it to fruition, we need to push through diplomacy into the territory of the United States, where it is also needed for ordinary citizens. Because another system is good for everyone, it’s just wonderful. And suppress any nonsense like the fact that GLONASS stations are used to point Russian missiles at US cities.
        But we have our own pathos and crooked political leverage. I was somehow even confused at how pitiful it looks from the outside. This is despite the fact that I like how GLONASS is getting on its feet, how another global system is emerging, which people need not only in our country.
        
        Well, what about the adequacy of actions, even though this is offtopic. I will say words that are not popular here. We are too weak to really put equal pressure on Europe and the United States, the world’s largest economies, right now. Yes, there is China, but pull it out from under us and that’s it... a great independent power will deflate in one moment. Because there is only oil, gas and a lot of ambitions. We bite with our toothless mouth, we’ll break the ISS, we won’t let Obama into the store... What saves us is the crisis and the general relaxation there. They are not seriously afraid of us yet, and Ukraine for Western politicians is some kind of eternally problematic place that would be good to use as a buffer.
        There is, of course, an opinion that the current clashes with the West will unite the country (Putin’s rating is growing, people in garage forums are seething and clenching their fists) into such a military camp that will sharply raise the country... I don’t really believe in this because the same people are on the ground , the same thoughts and the same execution.
        
        nerd.su
        
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        16 May 2014 23: 36
        
        The signal doesn't bounce, it's either there or it's not
        
        Russia is exactly that market. Huge underdeveloped spaces, a literate and not the poorest population and very rich Gazprom, Rosneft, etc. and so on.
        
        More precisely, nowhere. Citizens will not have to worry about anything in the case of GPS stations.
        
        Quote: clidon
        Because their GPS (the name has become a household name) is the Great System, which every dog has in the gateway, and GLONASS is a newcomer who timidly knocks on the door.
        
        What aplomb - a great system, and with a capital letter. There are already several such systems. And GLONASS is a newcomer that has already forced itself to be taken into account; now almost all equipment is made for both systems. Especially the Chinese. But American companies are not far behind.
        
        Further about GLONASS you have some kind of liberal lamentation, it’s even pointless to comment...
        
        What about the pressure on the USA and Europe? What does this have to do with the largest economies? Our mutual pressure between Russia, the USA, Europe and China is possible thanks to opportunities (pun intended ) multiply your opponent's economy by zero. And as a result of this action, as we know, the original value of the economy does not matter.
        And sanctions are a useless, unproductive policy for the West. And it’s even good for us.
waisson

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13 May 2014 20: 50

It is high time Let's boycott everything American
1. clidon
  
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  13 May 2014 21: 14
  
  Take the processor out of the computer and into the trash. Start with this.
  1. waisson
    
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    14 May 2014 00: 04
    
    The processor is not American, but Chinese, at least I have one, and you’ll choke on your rotten apple, but if you don’t deviate from the topic, it’s high time to switch to GLONASS
    1. clidon
      
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      14 May 2014 07: 01
      
      What kind of “Chinese” do you have? I have a regular PC. Even if you have an ARM processor (tablet or netbook), this is a development of ARM limited. British, by the way. NATO. Don't choke on them. )
fero

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13 May 2014 20: 58

Well, this is utter nonsense What kind of position does Rogozin have - “to spite my mother I’ll frostbite my legs”?
Old Cynic

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13 May 2014 21: 27

So, Aniki Warriors? Are you looking at the box??? The condition for resuming broadcasting of stations is permission to install GLONASS stations in North America.
Source - Russia-2, official channel.

Well, my dears, who was right? Why were my posts deleted? For a sober calculation???
1. Old Cynic
  
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  13 May 2014 22: 03
  
  Money wars, that's all.
  Someone here said that missiles won’t be able to point at us... Fool, at least read Wikipedia if you don’t have competent technical literature at hand! Blocking GPS signal relay stations will not reduce the accuracy of Tomahawks one iota!!! As they flew, they will fly according to guidance from satellites. But there are problems in navigation, piloting, geological exploration...! Every geologist in our country, instead of a GPS navigator, will have a GLONASS device tomorrow... Tomorrow they will deliver a device to him in the taiga.
Camouflet

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13 May 2014 21: 36

It is high time. And there is no need to persuade the Indians. If they don't want to, they don't need to. In this case, there is no need to announce sanctions, but purely “there is no need.” Abandon the ISS right away. Let them try to correct the orbit without the Russian module. Their cosmonaut should not be returned. Let him jump with a parachute. Do not supply rocket engines. Etc
andj61

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13 May 2014 22: 14

Quote: sniper
Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
And the attention is 4 country in Antarctica.
Igor, please enlighten how to understand this ??? I’m without banter, but in all seriousness ....

The fact is that in high latitudes GLONASS works much more accurately than GPS, and, naturally, many people use this, for example, in northern Norway, Spitsbergen, Greenland, Iceland, Antarctica and when crossing to the North Pole. In addition, it is always beneficial to refine locations using TWO positioning systems rather than just one.
studentmati

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13 May 2014 23: 25

Rogozin announced a ban on the operation of GPS stations in Russia

Dmitry Olegovich always appears at moments when it is necessary to fill the information vacuum, at a time when specialists continue to do their job.
saramb

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13 May 2014 23: 37

You are like little children, as if GPS and GLONASS are everything. How did you navigate the world without them? We flew and swam and all without satellites. The point is different - they can’t do anything without GPS. They are so stupid that without satellites they can’t They cannot fly or swim, unlike ours.
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  That's how we used to listen to the radio. And now, like small children, they are all sitting in bourgeois boarding schools. As Putin said, “developed by the CIA.
  PS GPS is an auxiliary navigation system for aircraft and ships all over the world. And yes, we do too.
Oprychnik

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13 May 2014 23: 48

I'm interested... Some people here say that they will suffer from such sanctions. It is clear that no one can name the amount, how many rubles. Because he doesn’t know whether there will be any damage to him, his beloved! Let us assume that this individual, focusing only on JPS, parked in his village 20 cm further than planned. I can imagine the indignation of the JPS owner. How so! Everything is paid for! Why is that so!? Just wipe yourself!!!
ARS56

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13 May 2014 23: 51

Quote: evgenii67
I don’t understand your euphoria, we have GLONASS that works awesomely, we have a drone that can work on GPS and supposedly GLONASS, but it’s only

What kind of bad person in Russia makes a GPS-powered drone? Or just a pest? Kaczynski found his birch tree by trusting GPS. The United States can shift the GPS coordinates of users from anywhere in the world at its discretion.
waisson

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14 May 2014 00: 08

AN AMERICAN AGENT IS STAYED HERE. BE CAREFUL
PValery53

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14 May 2014 02: 32

Whether this will help the Amers or not is unknown to science(!), but 17 GPS stations from Russian territory must be removed, since they did not allow us to install GLONASS stations in their country. It's a question of reciprocity, and nothing personal.
Polarfox

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14 May 2014 04: 59

Quote: clidon
I wouldn't be surprised if this is my own initiative
Rogozin’s words were agreed upon with the Cabinet of Ministers. Look here: http://ria.ru/politics/20140513/1007657399
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  14 May 2014 21: 45
  
  Well, a minus from me to the Cabinet. We are waiting for a missile strike on Voronezh, so that the Yankees will shudder at the sight of our power.
yulka2980

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14 May 2014 08: 13

Fuck, I read and laugh! Previously, we lived without GPS and didn’t bother, but now they say, this is our everything! I don’t suggest moving on carts again, but you can buy a map for a pinch Turn on your brains, everyone is completely computerized. Rogozit burns as always
Pitman

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14 May 2014 08: 39

I should have started somewhere a long time ago!!! And then - more!!! Close all McDonald's (chemical composition and ingredients), ban the sale of Coca-Cola Company brands (all chemicals), let the legs eat themselves (artificial meat), etc., etc. Let them poison themselves!!! Support domestic producers!!! After all, we lived without it in the USSR and did not die.............
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  14 May 2014 08: 46
  
  We need to eat real food!!!
romirin.

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14 May 2014 08: 53

Quote: BoA KAA
Quote: vaf
In addition, a little more ... "cold water",
Seryozha, hi! Well, you, as always, in your role: you lower our civic audience from heaven to sinful earth. You tell them more about astro correction - they’ll completely wither! Do not disappoint the average person, he is already sick of our everyday life!
But in essence. The possibility of TERCOM over our plain is very limited, and we will fix the time delay for the satellites, watch and the dream of an instant global impact will be covered with a copper basin.
About sanctions.
Wrong leg raised, idiots! This is not Honduras, but the 1 / 6 part of the land, !!!

I think this is a prelude - the main sanction for the United States is ahead!
Rogozin promised that Americans would jump on a trampoline on the ISS - and he will keep his word!
zzzzzz

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14 May 2014 09: 00

Dmitry Rogozin MAN!!! He is the only one of the few in our government who has his own opinion. And he speaks this opinion out loud
Nonik

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14 May 2014 10: 27

Quote: balamut
Why didn’t I understand, from what date?? It seems like it says about September 1............http://www.forbes.ru/news/257139-rossiya-priostanovit-rabotu-
amerikanskikh-stantsii-gps
Suspension from June 1, and if a decision is not reached on the deployment of GLONASS in the United States, then from September 1 a complete ban on GPS operation.
bucha12

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14 May 2014 10: 49

Get used to it.....
Prutkov

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14 May 2014 11: 36

Quote: Bayonet
Interestingly, Mr. Rogozin knows that in the digital television system (which is now actively developing) GPS is used to synchronize television transmitters? In large cities, equipment is mainly from Germany, France, the USA - Rohde & Schwarz, Thomson, Harris.

There are other ways to synchronize the signal.
Kornilovets

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14 May 2014 11: 58

This is great news...!
Ima tsoh

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14 May 2014 12: 53

The USA is a Satanist country. With one hand they will apply sanctions against us and with the other they will ask us for what is beneficial to them. Russia wake up!!!
-Russian-

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14 May 2014 16: 42

Guys, I'm just not in the subject, is GPS just a navigation system or mobile phones too?
Strashila

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14 May 2014 17: 53

Not a childish statement... the whole world will immediately feel it... in civil aviation, whoever doesn’t have GLONASS will immediately have fun.
Signaller

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14 May 2014 18: 04

The old lady didn’t have long to suffer. We won’t order a requiem, that’s for sure.
machete

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14 May 2014 18: 12

This is because the Americans did not allow the installation of GLONASS surveillance stations on their territory.
ioann1

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14 May 2014 18: 44

After all, Putin warned the West, there is no need to behave like this, if Russia imposes sanctions, it will not seem too bad...
wiccon

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14 May 2014 19: 44

The main thing is that this promise is fulfilled, and not just declared
waisson

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14 May 2014 19: 48

it seems that everyone is in favor, but who is the Cossack sent by the su.....
staryivoin

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14 May 2014 20: 44

Quote: abrakadabre
Let the rest of the ISS do what they want

As one of our former leaders used to say, “And that’s right, comrades!!!”
waisson

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14 May 2014 21: 10

GPS receivers in regular car navigators and smartphones simply won’t notice the difference. A decrease in the quality of geolocation can affect those who require special accuracy in calculating position - surveyors, builders, seismologists, geographers, and so on.
The United States has 19 GPS stations in Russia, but does not want to allow 8 GLONASS stations onto its territory
The United States admitted that it has stations on Russian territory for pointing missiles at Russian targets
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  Given the terrain and development conditions, ordinary car navigators and telephones will also suffer. And decently so.
  These stations are not for missile guidance; their correction range is no more than 2000 kilometers.
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    Quote: clidon
    Given the terrain and development conditions, ordinary car navigators and telephones will also suffer. And decently so.
    
    If the navigator does not see satellites, no adjustment will help it. If he sees, preferably 3 or more, then he doesn’t really need correction from the ground station.
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      If the navigator sees few satellites, and (or) has an intermittent (unstable) signal from them, it will help.
waisson

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14 May 2014 21: 15

How does GPS work?
Let us recall that the GPS system consists of an orbital constellation of satellites (32 devices) and ground control and tracking stations. At any given time, about 9 satellites are visible from any point on the Earth’s surface, while four are necessary to determine the user’s location. The main ground segment consists of a main and backup control stations, four dedicated ground antennas and six dedicated monitoring stations. All of them, like GPS itself, were created and controlled by the US Department of Defense. Data to clarify the location of satellites and correct their orbits is supplied by dozens of other ground stations under the jurisdiction of US military and civilian agencies. Many of them are located on American military bases or NATO facilities. Judging by the map on the GPS.gov website (PDF), none of these objects are located in Russia. In addition, in order to increase positioning accuracy to 10 cm or less, NASA developed the Global Differential GPS System (GDGPS), which is an extensive network differential correction and monitoring stations (SDCM) and data processing centers with software that allows analyzing incoming information in real time. The more such stations monitor the location of GPS and GLONASS satellites, the more accurately positioning systems can predict the satellite's location to within a centimeter (the scientific term for such coordinates is ephemeris) several days in advance. A variety of factors are taken into account - from continental drift to the influence of the Earth's ionosphere on the devices and the transmission of signals from them.
There are 11 SDCMs operating in Russia, supplying data to American partners; the Geophysical Service of the Russian Academy of Sciences is in charge of them. Moreover, the data received from them is used to improve the accuracy of both GPS and GLONASS. The stations are located, in particular, in the Kaluga and Sverdlovsk regions, Krasnoyarsk Territory, the Republic of Sakha-Yakutia, Irkutsk, Magadan, Southern Sakhalin, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. GLONASS has 22 similar stations, of which one is in Brazil, three in Antarctica and 18 in Russia. Some stations simultaneously supply data for GPS and GLONASS. In total, there are about one and a half dozen different differential correction systems (regional, departmental, national, commercial) in the world. In addition, to improve the accuracy of GPS and GLONASS coordinates in real time, more than 200 organizations around the world have joined forces within the framework of the International Global Navigation Satellite Service systems (IGS) under the auspices of NASA. IGS monitoring points, which allow further clarification of data from GPS and GLONASS satellites, are also available in Russia. Judging by the data on the organization’s website, there are 19 of them (currently operating), while in some cities (Obninsk, Novosibirsk, Irkutsk) there are several of them. Many are simultaneously stations of differential correction systems for GLONASS and GPS. Why almost no one will notice a “GPS outage”
For correct operation of car navigators, a positioning accuracy of several meters is more than enough - even if the system “sees” a satellite receiver ten meters from the road, the program “understands” that the car is moving along the roadway. GPS will provide such accuracy even if Russian SDCMs stop transmitting information to it.
Bormental

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14 May 2014 21: 27

As they say, good, but not enough. If all the agents of Western influence were swept out from the government, the media, and the Central Bank, then no ZhPS would be scary.
dance

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14 May 2014 21: 28

Somehow I don’t understand the wild rejoicing over this news. I always thought that the main thing in a GPS system is the constellation of satellites. Just because ground stations won't work doesn't mean GPS won't work. Ground stations serve to clarify coordinates and control. GPS stations in Russia most likely perform an observational function.
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  GPS stations in Russia have the same function as dozens of the same stations in Europe, the USA, etc. This is signal correction.
Valery_37_RUS

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14 May 2014 23: 56

Really normal retaliatory sanctions. I support.
Hyperboreec

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15 May 2014 15: 57

I AM FOR. Keep it up.
Gloster

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15 May 2014 16: 07

It’s not clear - what for? Navigation will still work, albeit with less accuracy. Does this bother anyone? 98% of household navigators are GPS-based. Now, if you shoot down satellites, then yes 8)!
Jet

0

15 May 2014 16: 09

Keep it up! Now I propose to ban the Internet (as everyone knows, an invention of the CIA). Why are we worse than North Korea? And Rogozin is a real “professional”! Who else knows how to escalate a situation like that? ;)
asergu

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15 May 2014 16: 45

And this has nothing to do with sanctions. Look at Interfax http://www.interfax.ru/russia/376013

"...According to Rogozin, Russia may take such measures if it fails to agree with Washington on the placement of ground stations of the Russian GLONASS satellite navigation system in the United States."

Yes, we decided to put the squeeze on the amers.
for

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15 May 2014 18: 44

Quote: Signaller
"Don't joke with a rhinoceros - a rhinoceros butts with its horn."

No, it’s a little different: - “The rhinoceros doesn’t see well, but that’s not his problem.”
homosum20

+2

15 May 2014 19: 51

Living in St. Petersburg, I go to work every day. It's 35-45 minutes (approx. 18 km) around the city. And this is thanks to the navigator. I have it not very new (one and a half to two years old), it works on Sita-Gad and GPS. He doesn't know how to use Glonass.
I don’t understand, should I buy a new one now? Will caring Rogozin allocate 15-17 thousand rubles for this? Or again at my expense (like the last 53 years.) By the way, the average salary in St. Petersburg is 20 thousand rubles.
Thanks to the party dear....
takto.onotak

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15 May 2014 20: 06

This is absolutely correct! We don't need one-sided football! Fact! And then you learned your lesson with bank cards? So that! GPS also turns off. to the selected area. Disabling the corr. stations does not mean off. navigation, unless of course the owner wants it. If so, our system will completely satisfy us all, don’t rush to find fault with yours, by the way, it was born earlier than the Yankees, but the crisis was not for us, but we will catch up and surpass anything, if the accuracy drops in the first stages, then for the average person it will not be noticeable, and the rest already know what to do. The main thing is not bz. in the tank!
pvv113

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15 May 2014 23: 50

Rogozin announced a ban on the operation of GPS stations in Russia
More details here http://warfiles.ru/show-56516-rossiya-gotova-prizemlit-ameriku.html

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"